Fer God's sake missy slow down it's not a damn race - you supposed to be making nice vibrations for the body & soul not helping red rum win the derby!
So, you guys are calling Milstein an idiot also for adding "emotion" when he plays Bach? There's also Perlman, but yeah we can keep on naming violinists who you guys have called idiots for a long time...
Bach's music already has emotion in it... by adding our own emotion (not really emotion, but perception of how it should sound which is almost the same thing) we are 'ruining' the piece.
I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but if you hear many violinists perform Bach's Partitas, they add their emotion. The reason why Bach's music is is so empty dynamic wise(emotion, whatever You want to call it) is because you're supposed to add your own interpretation of it. It is also one of the reasons why the world has so many different editions of Bach's work. And by you saying it "ruins" the piece by adding your own emotions you are saying that the editors are also ruining the music.
And many of those editors just "happen" to be most of the world's famous violinists. They are reknown for being the best in performing their repertoire, which includes Bach.
Sorry but I disagree. I play on three different cellos (direct for concerts, dark/mellow for recordings, and a baroque cello). On a modern instrument, the sound of the steel string is so dry that it is almost necessary to vibrato more and play with "emotion". We are servants of the composers and Bach (especially) defines what music is. NO interpretation will sound the same even if two people attempted to: use same pitch, temperament, tempo, rhythm, articulation, dynamic, etc.
Also, in baroque compositions there isn't a great dynamic range in particular unless the composer writes them in. In fact, it sounds better when the dynamic range is controlled. We are simply taught to believe that everything needs a great contrast in dynamics. Finally, the world has (very) different editions of Bach not because we have to add our own interpretation. The reason is that we're doing sth. wrong and we're not seeking the truth. The word "emotion" is very falsely used these days
I never said a great contrast in dynamics was necessary to make Bach sound good.
I just said adding your own emotions, I'm guessing the way the word is being used seems to offend your understanding of it?, own "phrasing" adding vibrato, adding subtle dynamic changes, make even Bach's work sound better.
Not "ruin" the piece but make it better.
And Bach leaves "spaces" in his music where the musician can add their interpretation.
How can you possibly assume what my interpretations are like for these pieces? I used to think the same way you did couple years ago but if you were fortunate enough to hear what Bach was capable of, you would agree with me. I'm not trying to sound conceited here; I believe music ISN'T about taste and is universal when played right. Let's just stop the discussion here; only music, not words are ever going to convince you.
Thanks for assuming that I do not know what Bach is capable of. I've never guessed that we were discussing other works than these pieces. You of course were referring to music for the cello while me, the violin. However, the only reason I never said "you would agree with me" is because I'm not the type of person who believes there should be a dictated belief of what music should be.
But, I guess you believe in a universal understanding of music and love to dictate it to other musicians. ty.
Such stupidity. "Emotional" playing is the last thing Bach would have wanted. He would have been more impressed at technical perfection - which is the point of the Partitas, the WTC and the Kunst - not to delight your "emotions", idiots.
pretty good, just lacks emotion like someone else said, otherwise your intonation is amazing and your hitting tho notes perfectly, its just it doesnt sound like you pur ur heart into it
I don't like it too much although she is not a bad violinist. I am missing the warmth and joy of this piece in her "Bachanini". If she had a saw instead of a bow she would be the fastest to divide the violin into two pieces. I don't feel deep emotion in her playing.
For maximum enjoyment, click the same video on another page between 0:08-0:10 time of the first video. I can't get enough listening to the duet over and over. :-)
That's definitely not "maximum enjoyment" for me. The beauty (and ingeniousness) of the piece partly stems from its tendency to make one instrument sound like two. Overlaying it once again completely ruins this effect (for me anyway) and kills the subtlety.
While this video is playing, click the same video on another page, so you'll have two same videos playing simultaneously, one a little bit late than the other. You'll see the effect. :-)
hmm....how about she just plays however the hell she wants. i for one appreciate variety and a fresh perspective.
scomdnz9 9 months ago
Fer God's sake missy slow down it's not a damn race - you supposed to be making nice vibrations for the body & soul not helping red rum win the derby!
2JAMMY 9 months ago
It need not be that fast, not necessarily.
Give it a little breath.
Esosphere 1 year ago 2
This is one of the best performances of the Preludio that I've ever heard. Thank you so much for sharing your art with us!
violatione 1 year ago
you play this so beautifully!
honeypeachpie 1 year ago
wats with the long ass comments ROFL
whattheasiann 2 years ago 5
So, you guys are calling Milstein an idiot also for adding "emotion" when he plays Bach? There's also Perlman, but yeah we can keep on naming violinists who you guys have called idiots for a long time...
yyr0502 2 years ago
Bach's music already has emotion in it... by adding our own emotion (not really emotion, but perception of how it should sound which is almost the same thing) we are 'ruining' the piece.
Enix5548 2 years ago
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yyr0502 2 years ago
I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but if you hear many violinists perform Bach's Partitas, they add their emotion. The reason why Bach's music is is so empty dynamic wise(emotion, whatever You want to call it) is because you're supposed to add your own interpretation of it. It is also one of the reasons why the world has so many different editions of Bach's work. And by you saying it "ruins" the piece by adding your own emotions you are saying that the editors are also ruining the music.
yyr0502 2 years ago
And many of those editors just "happen" to be most of the world's famous violinists. They are reknown for being the best in performing their repertoire, which includes Bach.
yyr0502 2 years ago
Sorry but I disagree. I play on three different cellos (direct for concerts, dark/mellow for recordings, and a baroque cello). On a modern instrument, the sound of the steel string is so dry that it is almost necessary to vibrato more and play with "emotion". We are servants of the composers and Bach (especially) defines what music is. NO interpretation will sound the same even if two people attempted to: use same pitch, temperament, tempo, rhythm, articulation, dynamic, etc.
Enix5548 2 years ago
Also, in baroque compositions there isn't a great dynamic range in particular unless the composer writes them in. In fact, it sounds better when the dynamic range is controlled. We are simply taught to believe that everything needs a great contrast in dynamics. Finally, the world has (very) different editions of Bach not because we have to add our own interpretation. The reason is that we're doing sth. wrong and we're not seeking the truth. The word "emotion" is very falsely used these days
Enix5548 2 years ago
I never said a great contrast in dynamics was necessary to make Bach sound good.
I just said adding your own emotions, I'm guessing the way the word is being used seems to offend your understanding of it?, own "phrasing" adding vibrato, adding subtle dynamic changes, make even Bach's work sound better.
Not "ruin" the piece but make it better.
And Bach leaves "spaces" in his music where the musician can add their interpretation.
yyr0502 2 years ago
And it just happens that your interpretation of those "spaces" are to not add any "emotion."
Also, it just happens that adding "emotion" to those "spaces" is preferred far more by violinists for this piece.
yyr0502 2 years ago
How can you possibly assume what my interpretations are like for these pieces? I used to think the same way you did couple years ago but if you were fortunate enough to hear what Bach was capable of, you would agree with me. I'm not trying to sound conceited here; I believe music ISN'T about taste and is universal when played right. Let's just stop the discussion here; only music, not words are ever going to convince you.
Enix5548 2 years ago
Thanks for assuming that I do not know what Bach is capable of. I've never guessed that we were discussing other works than these pieces. You of course were referring to music for the cello while me, the violin. However, the only reason I never said "you would agree with me" is because I'm not the type of person who believes there should be a dictated belief of what music should be.
But, I guess you believe in a universal understanding of music and love to dictate it to other musicians. ty.
yyr0502 2 years ago
okay, i think i'm gunna quit the violin right now. hahah jk but OMG THIS PERSON IS AMAZING! why are asians so good at the violin!
yourmommm123 2 years ago
ya... bach wouldn't prefer emotional playing as we do
but anyone with emotion shouldn't be blamed for what he is doing, IMO
after all we're not Bach
unless the parts says 'emotion is restricted!'
maybe it's just fine
just a matter of favor and interpretation
it's not a duty to interpret this as in baroque period
just enjoy i if you could
if you don't, just don't hear it
laudamuste 2 years ago
Such stupidity. "Emotional" playing is the last thing Bach would have wanted. He would have been more impressed at technical perfection - which is the point of the Partitas, the WTC and the Kunst - not to delight your "emotions", idiots.
blacktiger444 2 years ago
wow, i think whoever placed the first comment has serious mental problems because this girl is definitely putting serious heart into it.
Vasilios711 3 years ago
pretty good, just lacks emotion like someone else said, otherwise your intonation is amazing and your hitting tho notes perfectly, its just it doesnt sound like you pur ur heart into it
hctuchman 3 years ago
such a bad piece for competition
cageynerd 3 years ago
I don't seem to enjoy this recording. She is clearly talented just that the emtion lacks...
SurreyViolinHero 3 years ago
I don't like it too much although she is not a bad violinist. I am missing the warmth and joy of this piece in her "Bachanini". If she had a saw instead of a bow she would be the fastest to divide the violin into two pieces. I don't feel deep emotion in her playing.
kitchenfiddle 3 years ago
what in the world r u talking about??
musicangel2152 2 years ago
Only crass and vulgar musicians allow "emotion" to creep into Bach.
blacktiger444 2 years ago
the film is sped up--clearly not at the original speed. That's why she looks sort of jerky.
pchafe66 3 years ago
For maximum enjoyment, click the same video on another page between 0:08-0:10 time of the first video. I can't get enough listening to the duet over and over. :-)
Dogaradodia 3 years ago
That's definitely not "maximum enjoyment" for me. The beauty (and ingeniousness) of the piece partly stems from its tendency to make one instrument sound like two. Overlaying it once again completely ruins this effect (for me anyway) and kills the subtlety.
pchafe66 3 years ago
While this video is playing, click the same video on another page, so you'll have two same videos playing simultaneously, one a little bit late than the other. You'll see the effect. :-)
Dogaradodia 3 years ago
Fastissimo! Wonderful! :-)
Dogaradodia 3 years ago
ma quel fischio...
mmmm...
abbassolalazzzie 3 years ago
brava
abbassolalazzzie 3 years ago