Had to be euthenized after he fell in his paddock (broke his shoulder I think).the meadowlands has the most rigorous testing just the trainers there are years ahead of the testing game
This horse is dead? What a shame. Anyone know the circumstances? This race is the definition of blazing speed! I don't think a horse on the planet could've beaten him on this day! Looks like he wanted to run all day!
the drug testing is more rigorous in the Meadowlands? are you kidding me?..if it is then they have the smartest trainers on the planet...2 names for you...Holborn Hanover and the classic example...Art Official
Holborn Hanover was a good horse but he was in no way a world record setter....its a shame he wound up in the hands of people who dont care about their horses..only money...and now hes dead...a shame but not a surprise
good horse that got into hands of training family that gets suspensions for years at a time.not even in the top 50 of all time.gassed up horses by degenerate trainers taking away from the true greats.pathetic.
In this race that's actually Sam Mckee, we used to perform seminars together when he was a thoroughbred announcer at Ladbroke DRC in the 90's in Livonia, MI.
Holborn did get a positive after the American National at Balmoral following this.... Notice how he's going nowhere near how he was last year.... Just thought I'd point that out.... Breeding does have a lot to do with it, but drugs too, sadly, are becoming a part of this sport....
Better tracks, bikes and veterinary care are contributing factors, but its all about the breeding! With sires and grandsires LIKE Niatross, its only going to get better. As far as Eastern Canada goes, 30 years ago there were 700-800 stakes horses nominated, resulting in 2-3 divisions in each class. Today, with less horses nominated for the stakes season, the number of divisions has jumped to 7-8 in some cases. Typical example of what breeding has become in 21st Century Harness Racing
Better tracks, bikes and veterinary care do contribute a little bit but breeding is not the reason why everything has changed so darastically. Drugs are the main reason why records are being broken etc. Nothing more then drugs.
Thoroughbred racing has not improved in the same way- perhaps because of more rigorous drug testing? I don't know much about harness racing, but I do know that if a tb ran a mile and a half in 2.18 (which is a comparable level improvement)it would certainly be down to drugs.
Question: How can there be a three second drop in the time trial mile from Niatoss' 149.1 in 1980 to Cambest's 146.1 in 1993. This is one breeding generation from Cam Fella (a contemporary of Niatross).
It can't be breeding. Is it bikes, track conditions, training, drugs?
Someone who knows something about Harness Racing enlighten me.
That's a heck of a pace! I've been away from Harness Racing a few years. What accounts for the time drop since Niatross' great marks in the early 1980s--Better tracks, better bikes, better training methods? Are the pacers today qualitatively better than Niatross?
Niatross won 35 races in a row and did a work in 149.1 in 1979 when the turns weren't banked and the bikes were heavier. To me he's the greatest of all time.
Compare this world record to the one Niatross did at Hollywood Park. There in 1980, Niatross set the World Record at 1:52.1, won by 10 lengths, and it was an anticipated event with lots of excitement. Go to 2006, Holborn Hanover pops a 1:46.4, wins by (only!!) 1 length, and the announcer sounds surprised that he set a world record. What a difference 26 years makes!
wow. 146.4. that is a thorughbred 1 mile time. can you believe it? fastest 1 mile I ever would believe. he ran 26.0 the final eight of a mile. thats fast.
thats awsome
ZenyattaLuvr 2 months ago
Had to be euthenized after he fell in his paddock (broke his shoulder I think).the meadowlands has the most rigorous testing just the trainers there are years ahead of the testing game
greatest501 1 year ago
Saw this live on TV that night. A week or so earlier Holborn Hanover prepped for this by blowing past a good field by 10-20 lengths.
BustardBuzzard 1 year ago
WAS A VERY GOOD HORSE...
pccwsc 1 year ago
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George Brennan is a cocky bastard and thinks he's gods gift to the track. Screw him.
redredred978 1 year ago 3
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freddyblu22 2 years ago
good horse
thejingers 2 years ago
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spikeri812 2 years ago
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spikeri812 2 years ago
This horse is dead? What a shame. Anyone know the circumstances? This race is the definition of blazing speed! I don't think a horse on the planet could've beaten him on this day! Looks like he wanted to run all day!
Tampaslice 2 years ago
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spikeri812 2 years ago
@Tampaslice if i remember correctly it was a training accident
abetts00 1 year ago
@Tampaslice He died following complications from surgery to repair a fractured cannon bone.
wranglersgirl634 1 week ago
George Brennan a.k.a. "The Minister of Speed", RULES!
gocashbaby 2 years ago
the drug testing is more rigorous in the Meadowlands? are you kidding me?..if it is then they have the smartest trainers on the planet...2 names for you...Holborn Hanover and the classic example...Art Official
Cabaret43 2 years ago
Holborn Hanover was a good horse but he was in no way a world record setter....its a shame he wound up in the hands of people who dont care about their horses..only money...and now hes dead...a shame but not a surprise
Cabaret43 2 years ago
Cambests connections refused a drug test after his time trial and they have a history of positive tests...all im saying
Cabaret43 2 years ago
RIP Holby,
freddyham 3 years ago
RIP little one
gard1978 4 years ago
good horse that got into hands of training family that gets suspensions for years at a time.not even in the top 50 of all time.gassed up horses by degenerate trainers taking away from the true greats.pathetic.
jn397 4 years ago 2
What's the name of the track announcer at Meadowlands?
joelsterling 4 years ago
ken warkentin. there's also a trotter named after him, stands in ontario i believe
nickrock23 4 years ago
In this race that's actually Sam Mckee, we used to perform seminars together when he was a thoroughbred announcer at Ladbroke DRC in the 90's in Livonia, MI.
SlaughterhouseRules 4 years ago 2
Holborn did get a positive after the American National at Balmoral following this.... Notice how he's going nowhere near how he was last year.... Just thought I'd point that out.... Breeding does have a lot to do with it, but drugs too, sadly, are becoming a part of this sport....
ybilliards 4 years ago
My understanding is that the drug positive was for a non-performance enhancing drug.
CMCArmyROTC 4 years ago
Better tracks, bikes and veterinary care are contributing factors, but its all about the breeding! With sires and grandsires LIKE Niatross, its only going to get better. As far as Eastern Canada goes, 30 years ago there were 700-800 stakes horses nominated, resulting in 2-3 divisions in each class. Today, with less horses nominated for the stakes season, the number of divisions has jumped to 7-8 in some cases. Typical example of what breeding has become in 21st Century Harness Racing
boomjustlikethat 4 years ago
Better tracks, bikes and veterinary care do contribute a little bit but breeding is not the reason why everything has changed so darastically. Drugs are the main reason why records are being broken etc. Nothing more then drugs.
wildmustang022 4 years ago
Thoroughbred racing has not improved in the same way- perhaps because of more rigorous drug testing? I don't know much about harness racing, but I do know that if a tb ran a mile and a half in 2.18 (which is a comparable level improvement)it would certainly be down to drugs.
tigerboy1966 4 years ago
In harness racing the drug testing is more rigorous than in tb racing, specially in Meadowlands.
mike82s 4 years ago
To bad most drugs are synthetic and don't show on raceday. The only time you can test for them is a week out from the race when they are administered
wildmustang022 3 years ago
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spikeri812 2 years ago
Question: How can there be a three second drop in the time trial mile from Niatoss' 149.1 in 1980 to Cambest's 146.1 in 1993. This is one breeding generation from Cam Fella (a contemporary of Niatross).
It can't be breeding. Is it bikes, track conditions, training, drugs?
Someone who knows something about Harness Racing enlighten me.
Thanks
DoctorFuego 4 years ago
That's a heck of a pace! I've been away from Harness Racing a few years. What accounts for the time drop since Niatross' great marks in the early 1980s--Better tracks, better bikes, better training methods? Are the pacers today qualitatively better than Niatross?
CMCArmyROTC 4 years ago
Niatross won 35 races in a row and did a work in 149.1 in 1979 when the turns weren't banked and the bikes were heavier. To me he's the greatest of all time.
dukeblue0524 4 years ago 2
Compare this world record to the one Niatross did at Hollywood Park. There in 1980, Niatross set the World Record at 1:52.1, won by 10 lengths, and it was an anticipated event with lots of excitement. Go to 2006, Holborn Hanover pops a 1:46.4, wins by (only!!) 1 length, and the announcer sounds surprised that he set a world record. What a difference 26 years makes!
CMCArmyROTC 4 years ago
Well said!
Tampaslice 2 years ago
This horse have been defenitly juiced as hell.
tabarnak02 4 years ago
wow. 146.4. that is a thorughbred 1 mile time. can you believe it? fastest 1 mile I ever would believe. he ran 26.0 the final eight of a mile. thats fast.
matt99nascar 5 years ago
@matt99nascar WTW in the 09 Breeders Crown came home in 25.3 off the same type of fractions not surprising really
abetts00 1 year ago
He did not get positive from this one yet?
KirsiB 5 years ago
What a great horse
yulegill 5 years ago
Impressive...what a horse!
daschuck77 5 years ago