2 of those questions were not even about their faith, just facts involving religion. Most christians, and muslims wouldn't know the first one anyway. I happened to know both because i get in a lot of debates on this and these things are good to know. I hope the other questions they don't bring up were better questions. And by the way, i happen to be christian
Americans tend to treat religion the same way they treat politics and nationalism: as a team sport. Being informed isn't necessary. The important thing is your conviction that you're right and the best and anyone that disagrees is the enemy. Aggressive ignorance is our national identity.
It is only natural that a Christian may not be interested in learning more about the intricate details of Islam, Hindu, Buddism, or vice versa. When you are grounding in your belief, you don't need to search for another form of religion.
@PrayMyFriend Re "Yes you know more about other peoples religions lol even though its no use to you." Unfortunately it is plenty of use , we are still in a world were the religious daily kill those around them, the president heard voices telling him to invade a country and the religious try to obstruct knowledge and medical advances . We need to know what you are up to so we can protect ourselves from you.
@chessnotdice re"Some of the smartest people I know (and I'm no slouch myself) believe in God." - perhaps you need to mix with a smarter crowd than at your church so you can meet smarter people. Studies looking at the correlation between education and religions belief support the premise of this video.
Atheists and agnostics don't learn about religion so they can contend with religionists. That's ridiculous. Plenty of atheists come from backgrounds of religious family practice and knowledge of the Bible. The better picture is that atheists tend go be better educated all around, more trained to critical thinking and more broadly and deeply aware of the whole world's belief systems, and either gradually or through some dramatic event or incident become alienated from belief.
Check out this blog, this guy looks real interesting as he is writing a book online regarding any world view, at "anyconstrual dot blogspot dotcom" and don’t forget to donate a dollar this is regarding decreasing population without war and he knows who wrote the bible and will exemplify that Jesus is a myth.
the question: if atheists know more about religion AND science then the religious, then why should we trust the religious' conclusion on these matters?
Athiests know more about the bible because they actually read or listened to bible teachings and simply find no evidence of truth.Most "Religious" people are told by their parents or elders that god is real and have not read to have the facts and judge for themselves. Anyone with a more modern education know that the bible has way too many contradictions with things we've already proved with EVIDENCE such as the world being more then 4000 years old etc etc,
@nick0mac 'A more modern education?' Do you think we all time travel to school?! lol The age of the world...Bible doesn't say dogmatically any age. We assume from certain timelines, sure, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
1st of all these questions where not about the teachings of the Holy Bible, 2nd it hillarious how the athiest read the Bible just to disprove Gods exsistence, 3rd most people have a life, jobs and families to worry about than other religions and there idiologies. This is why we christians can care less about athiest and any other idiology out there. whats the use of gaining any kind of knowledge if in the future we all die.
I love it when the Christians argue in favor of teaching Christianity in public schools, then quickly change the subject when they are told that they must also teach Islam and other faiths, in order to be fair and balanced. (oops I just repeated a Fox News idiom)
@CleanAirMeister RE they must also teach Islam and other faiths, in order to be fair and balanced. That is why we have Religious Education classes which teach all thease things and more. at least in The UK.
Question #1 is biased towards New Yorkers and Jews knowing the answer. Question 3 is baised towards Muslims, as they would be more aware of where Islam is practiced.
The Surveyors admitted that they did not administer the test to an equal distribution of persons of the major religions.
As an Atheist I could draw the same conclusions of this study. However, even if the conclusions of the study happen to be correct, they are not correct as a result of a valid or reliable study...
I'm an atheist and I got 2/3 (1st one I had no idea) of those "difficult" questions right. I am not surprised it wasn't until I studied religion that I realised I was not at all a theist
If God existed, there would be one religion, not many. Jesus is not God, even in Christianity. Yet, people worship him as God. There is no evidence that the first men (prehistoric) worshipped God. I feel badly for people who waste so much time on a fantasy, no matter how much comfort they take in it. Religion has caused so many problems for the world. It divides people into those who know the truth and everyone else. What advances humanity has lost because of ignorance and fear.
@nbkcq28 REIf God existed, there would be one religion, not many. Jesus is not God, even in Christianity. Yet, people worship him as God> i think we need something more substantial than these assetions
@scotmanalick Total agreement , the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim . We need more than that to believe these fantastic claims. We need to verify with independent proof.
@faircompetition1 REotal agreement , the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim . >> I disagree when you say nothing to saubstantiate the claim. You are ignoring the historical evidence. You are ignoring the tradition of the jewish people as meticulous scribes and oral history. we know that Alex harvey got to his roots and the story could be recounted exactly by oral tradition. but the Israelites wrote everything down.
@faircompetition1RE the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim >> Also the christian world veiw fits so wonderfully with what we see. We are rationl we are moral beings. Athiesm says rationality came from irationalal process and morality came from an Amoral process. Yet the image of God makes nore sense to me. the Logos the rational power and person behind the creation.who became flesh Jesus christ
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
@mzyzer19 "I'm an atheist cause I read the bible."
Then you're an idiot. If you believe the Bible, you can't be an atheist. If you don't believe it, then it can be easily dismissed as fiction. People write fiction all the time and it has no affect on whether or not a creator actually exists. Only a true simpleton thinks to himself, "The Christian Bible is not 100% true, therefore there is no God". However, you could logically reject CHRISTIANITY by reading the Bible.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
@whispersosoftlyRE. I don't know the answers to any of those questions, but thankfully, as an atheist I don't have to care> lol very honest,Bu how many of us Know the answers really? We hold to aparticular veiw from what we understand and then we ask questions The great thing about the human spirit is we search and look for answers and discuss these thing. It is part of being human
Why would anybody be surprised about the result of this survey? It's not as Stephen says, in the video, that atheists need to know to support their arguements. Educated, thoughtful people would, I think, have investigated the options and seen the pitfalls. Religion, as the survey shows is for the (largely) ignorant masses, You could call it the opium of the masses - hey, I think somebody famous said that (apologies to Lenin).
@pkp59 "You could call it the opium of the masses - hey, I think somebody famous said that (apologies to Lenin)." Your apologies should go to Karl Marx (also said by others before him in less rigorous philosophical works, including the Marquis de Sade), although Lenin obviously agreed with him.
@41elliott RE>Religious people are stupid about religion because they they're stupid enough to FALL for religion in the first place.. Somehow I don't think that argument stands
@scotmanalick poor education and lower intelligence have been repeatedly negatively linked to a increased tendency for religious belief. I can think of one meta analysis in particular.
@41elliott If that what you have to believe to convince yourself its crap...just remember many of the great inventors and scientists, pioneers and heroes of the world have been believers in God...
@landonggg RE.Thumbs up if you came here just to make fun of creationist.I read somthing in the paper about internet Trolls yesterday, and how they made a girls life misery. we all like a laugh. I amnot calling you a Troll, but what can be fun to someone can be very upsetting for others.
@scotmanalick Nope not on my list. The basic difference between our two positions is I have no predetermined conclusions, I believe what the evidence indicates and I follow that where ever it goes regardless of my personal predisposition and belief. You have a conclusion that you are personally professionally, and financially dependent upon to be correct, you interpret the bible to support that position calling what does not metaphorical, what does literal and ignore all contradictory evidence
@faircompetition1RE The basic difference between our two positions is I have no predetermined conclusions>Hmmm You have jumped to the conclusion that i have apredetermined conclusion . You Quite simply-Wrong. I met with the Lord Jesus christ and he changed my life as well as my world veiw Athiest/ agnostic i recognize that I do not understand many things but then i take Gods advice "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding,Pr3:5 continued
@scotmanalick re "jumped to the conclusion that i have apredetermined conclusion" Your conclusion would be that there is a god. Truthfully are you open to the position that there is no god? Do you explore with an open mind the possibility?Your belief is made without the evidence that you would require for evolution . For example , what evidence is there for a world wide flood? There is a great deal against it yet you believe it happened because it is in your book..
@scotmanalick Lets try this -John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater. I know that you can not test Jesus by asking for stupid stuff, but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? Selfless and it does say "Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do" Pretty clear that line isn't it? No cancer tomorrow and all you have to do is ask. I always wondered why not one christian has ever asked???
@faircompetition1 RE>states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater. I know that you can not test Jesus by asking for stupid stuff, but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? > My Mum and dad both died of cancer I have certainly been praying to God to help us find the cure for this disease i would like to share a testimony if you would bear with me My mother died over 20 years ago of breast cancer I was 29 years old con
@faircompetition1 RE but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? On the day she died she was suffering greatly but she said to me Christ is with me. it did not really mean any thing to me all I could see was the pain and the ugliness of death. My youngest brother rwas 19. he became achristian and preached the gospel in 38 countries as a missionary. he told me about Jesus, I knew about jesus since i was 4 years old I wondered at the ressurection and judgement.
@scotmanalickRE end of cancer starting > continued as i sat with my wife. i suddenly became very aware of jesus i saw jesus in my heart and I saw my father with him. A powerful revelation. I said to my wife jesus is with my dad he is saved or he is going to be saved i knew this without a doubt. That evening my sister phoned and said a strange thin happened to Dad he met a young woman who spoke to him and asked if he was achristian he said no would you like to be one he sais maybe C
@faircompetition1 RE but how about asking for the end of cancer he told me about jesus many times i respected him but one day I was annoyed because he wrote me a letter telling me about saul of Tarsus and his conversion I felt he was suggeting I was as bad as him. Yes I was a bad boy.? but then he told me christ was made sin on the cross and he was forsaken by God the father Christ died for me christ is the bridge btween God and man. I beleived it.. Con
@faircompetition1 RE asking for the end of cancer > As i walked with God i came to know His love and presence in astonishing ways. my father was unconverted but boy did he know the bible. he was ill and 13 yearsdrs said he may not survive the winter. i prayed with friends for him and one day i went t pray by myself and as I prayed i prayed for my dad I came out and sat with my wife cntinued
@faircompetition1 RE.for the end of cancer > She said when , one day he said what about today she asked . She led him to Christ praying with him and he prayed asking christ to forgive him nd come into his life. he said that jesus walked out of the car with him. 2 days later my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer he died 3 months later god did not heal him> I was heart broken for my dad but God assured me of something greater for him God did not grant Jesus prayer con
@faircompetition1 RE the end of cancer, > in the garden of Gethsemane, If he had wheer would I be where would the world be there would be no Saviour. i want god to take away cancer I pray for it. I prayed for my dad God said no. but I know he loved my dad. Often God does use evil to bring about good.. God tell us ther is a time when there will be no disease death or sorrow. jesus wept for lazurus and he was going to raise him from the dead but the curse of death is why he wept
@scotmanalick Re " I prayed for my dad God said no." cancer got my father as well. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would. For a cure for cancer we must turn to the one source that has a track record - science , medical science. It has made great leaps in prolonging life and reducing the suffering, praying has not. A harsh truth .The odds are if cancer is cured it will be medicine not your church. People are sick today support science to reduce suffering - pray later.
@faircompetition1 RE ." cancer got my father as well. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would>> sorry to hear abot your Father. i have no answer friend and would not want to give platitudes. it is easy when things are good for us as christians to spout of seek ye first the kingdom of God etc I belive that but I understan when people are suffering they need to know we care and God cares I truly believe that God is the agent science is the mechanism.
@faircompetition1 RE. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would.>> In an earlier post i explained comparing scripture with scripture in that way we are able to form a systematic theology. So each text is taken in the context of chapter and book and in the larger context of the whole bible. So we learn about prayer by comparing these verses about prayer and Gods will If we isolate atext we can make the bible say any thing eg THERE IS NO GOD Psalm 14con
@faircompetition1RE I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would. >> So there is no God, but the context is that "The fool says in his heart, There is no God Science i believe is a gift from God RE>>>The odds are if cancer is cured it will be medicine not your church. People are sick today support science to reduce suffering - pray later.>> I agree but I believe that all knowledge is revealed by God. I will continue to pray.
@scotmanalick RE"but I believe that all knowledge is revealed by God. I will continue to pray." why is he keeping the cure for cancer a secret? It will only be found by the hard work of scientists slaving away in labs day after day to help their fellow man. I Know of a girl ,spends her days looking at fruit fly's for a genetic mutation to cure breast cancer. Strange how scientists tending to be atheist, are the ones measurably helping their fellow man-yet you think they will go to hell.
@faircompetition1 Another false conclusion!!! hmmm i am dependant on God , Not on a concept or aconclusion or a doctrine a teaching. but a person as revealed in his word and especially in His son the Lord jesus Christ. A Person with whom I have a relationship. Because I know and am sure that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God i can trust him with the things that I don't understand con
@scotmanalick Re "A Person with whom I have a relationship. Because I know and am sure that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God i can trust him with the things that I don't understand" Sorry , I have to be blunt, this is no evidence at all for anyone beyond you to believe.Please find some real evidence, A guy like me can rip the bible to pieces by comparing it's stories to reality. If all you have is the bible and your conviction you have nothing. cont
@faircompetition1RE Add in that your very job depends > I am a born again Christian whether I am in paid ministry or not I share Christ because it is my great joy and privelege to do so. God provides ALL my needs that is something I testify to and praise God for. When I talk of Christian experience proving god it means that God turns up with the help where and when I need it that is how we prove God by trusting his promises to us.The ministry I am in is faith based for support
@faircompetition1 RE>.Kind of a pointless job if there is no god - isn't it? I came from working to take up a calling. This is no job. Minisry is somthing God appoints us to. it is asolemn responsibility and aglorious privelege doing what i love for someone who loves me but the truth is That it is God that is doing the work he is simply using me as a vessel
@faircompetition1 RE " God appoints us" I would love to see a copy of the appointment to the ministry with god's signature on it i would love to tell you about my call to ministry and how amazing God spoke and revealed himself in the call which was wrought with difficulties and uncertainties but it almost certainly reveal my identity. The story has been recently Published
@scotmanalick continuing on, just as you would be suspect of a scientist that started his research with a conclusion and proceeded to claim it true without any supporting evidence while ignoring anything that did not support it , I am naturally suspect of you. Add in that your very job depends on it and there are allot of reasons to question you. The scientist can always research something else if need be, if there is no god, a preacher is unemployed and needs a whole new career.
@faircompetition1RE> Add in that your very job depends on it and there are allot of reasons to question you>. if there is no god, a preacher is unemployed and needs a whole new career.> you seem to have a predetermined opinion on me and jump to some rather dodgy conclusions Well actually this is my new career. But its not acareer its away of life a calling. I am an electronics engineer in the Scottish oil industry I earned more money 30 years ago than I do now
@scotmanalick Re " Well actually this is my new career" Still, if there is no god, you are out of your current job right? Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if he suddenly discovered proof that creation was correct. In fact he would be busier than ever re-writing all the text books. Again the difference between our belief systems is evident, you prove god and I still believe what the evidence indicates, I disprove the bible and you have to start over again
@faircompetition1 RE.Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if > if there is no God I Ihave lost nothing if there is the unbeliever has lost everything. if I was out of a job tomorrow I would still thank God for the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ and the privilege of declaring it. the situuatio you ar puttinfg forward is one that the bible deals with. i will explain that this is not a new thing Nothing new under the sun the bible says. con
@scotmanalick Final time YOU CAN NOT PROVE THE BIBLE TRUE BY SAYING IT SAYS IT IS TRUE!!!!!! You require independent verification of its claims. For example get evidence there was a census to get Joseph to Bethlehem when required - there would be a record. Tip there was not one at the correct time.
@faircompetition1RE Final time YOU CAN NOT PROVE THE BIBLE TRUE BY SAYING IT SAYS IT IS TRUE!!!!!! > Again we have good reason to BELIEVE the bible is true i am not here to try and prove it true i am her to give a reason for the hope that is in me. I BELEIVE the bible to be true. faith is a personal thing God is a person he reveals Himself PERSONALY. While i cannot prove the bible is true i know in my heart it is because God has made himself known to me.
@scotmanalick RE " i cannot prove the bible is true" It is nice to see honesty finally. Why did you twist and turn avoiding telling the truth for so long, it just makes you look less than honest. The fact is you believe despite a great deal of evidence the bible contains errors and fabrications based on a gut feeling ("the bible is true i know in my heart"). Now why would god make himself known to just you when he could make himself known to all just as easily? What does he gain by hiding?
@faircompetition1 RE It is nice to see honesty finally. Why did you twist and turn avoiding telling the truth for so long, You wre not listening were you the bible is I believe is True. and I have said I have good reason to BElIEVE it is true There is a great difference between faith and its intellectual expression. We must rise above the intellectual into spiritual fellowship with God. I have good REASON note the emphasis faith is not blind.you are crweating astraw man again
@scotmanalick Re " We must rise above the intellectual " Please tell me you are not telling people the way to god is to stop thinking! If there is a god it is unlikely that he will require you to ignore the very reality he created for you to find him. I did not create a straw-man , I quoted your own words , if you did not mean what you said correct yourself. I know you believe - you said " i cannot prove the bible is true" - I agree that is why I say to teach it as proven is dishonest.
@faircompetition1 RE Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if >The bible deals with this "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vainYea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; Continued
@faircompetition1 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lostIf only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. 1 cor 15 ;32
@faircompetition1 RE "Christ has indeed been raised from the dead" prove this with independent evidence not from the bible you see with the christian calling I do not have to prove any thing success does not depend on me> God did not say I would be succesful in convincing people . Read the bible, It is the Holy Spirit that convinces people. God only asks me to be faithfull in my calling to declare the gospel. We preach Christ God opens blind eyes
@scotmanalick Re " I do not have to prove any thing" Translation - I can't prove my claims but believe them anyway and want you to believe them as well
@faircompetition1 Re " I do not have to prove any thing" Translation - I can't prove my claims but believe them anyway and want you to believe them as well. Whether you belive it or not my resonsibility before God is to preach the whole counsel of God Paul said when he did this that he was free of the blood of all men he preached to.
@scotmanalick Re " my resonsibility before God " - where does this responsibility come from? Is it the bible, you admit you can not prove true you just believe it to be yet teach it as true , you do not honestly teach that you think it true, you would like it to be true, but can not prove it true. It is dishonest to say something is true when you have no verifiable evidence that it is. i would like to say cancer will be cured , I believe it will be, but I have to say I honestly i'm not sure.
@faircompetition1 RE "Christ has indeed been raised from the dead" prove this with independent evidence not from the bible ,, the history of the church is pretty amazing. because the church has Chrsit as its head Charles "CHUCK" Colson "See watergate" said the most powerful men in the world could not make a lie stand, they were blown apart yet 2000 years later the church is growing unlearned men could not be refuted. they said we can only speak of what we saw and heard.
@faircompetition1RE Still, if there is no god, you are out of your current job right> if ther is no God or ressurection we are wasting our time we need to make the best of what we have got. Paul said . in fact he said we are found to be the most miserable of men if that was true BUT Christ was raised from the dead We can trust Him there is a God
@scotmanalick Again you can't prove a book by referring to the book. Independent verification is what you require. Harry potter books say Harry was the chosen one and surprise in the book he turned out to be.
@faircompetition1 REAgain you can't prove a book by referring to the book. Independent verification is what you require. Harry potter books say Harry was the chosen one and surprise in the book he turned out to be. . se my explanation of tooth fairy. i.e the wiser more intellectual route is that haary potter is just afairy story
@scotmanalick Re proof of your claims. Dodge and weave all you want , I repeatedly ask you to substantiate the fantastic claims in your bible. You naturally avoid this and I suspect you are already aware that this has already been tried and many of the claims have been found to be false. There is no flood, no census when required, no supporting evidence for the dead rising(All the graves opened - someone might have noticed) no evidence of creation, no witches, and no talking snakes - cont
@scotmanalick continuing on. If we find a book, any book and we can prove whole sections of it are in error, that it makes claims of happenings that did not happen, ( no desert wanderings found by Israel and they looked and wanted it to be true) that it contains large sections of confirmed fiction, we must assume until proven otherwise that all the the unsubstantiated claims are also fiction. This means that your bible is a book of fiction, commonly referred to as myth.
@faircompetition1 RE>If weyou want literature I can point you to some great stuff find a book, any book and we can prove whole sections of it are in error, that it makes claims of happenings that did not happen, ( no desert wanderings >> this is not true any Historian can easily refute this. i can evn refute this if you want literature I can give you some good stuff . not enough space here.
@scotmanalick RE "If weyou want literature" - not more fairy tails,or stories by people with a vested interest and blatant lies. I will of course ask for peer reviewed scientific data indicating a desert wandering as in the bible. A single Viking settlement in Canada for 1 year left archaeological evidence , in your story book 2M Jews spent 40 years making an 11 day trip and left no evidence. No broken pots , no housing, no food production no garbage piles - humans always leave garbage piles
@faircompetition1RE "If weyou want literature" - not more fairy tails,or stories by people with a vested interest and blatant lies.>> Argument from ignorance. they are there if you want but clearly you do not want to consider it . Do you think that is a scientific approach to reject without even considering the OTHER side of the argument.
@scotmanalick Re"reject without even considering the OTHER side of the argument." Wrong, i repeatedly ask for proof of your claim, you give me no evidence to consider. Peer reviewed evidence, not unverifiable fluff like " I felt his presence" . It Is just not evidence, frankly if it was I would just say I felt evolution's presence and you would have to believe in evolution. Please try to be honest with yourself and don't pretend I am ignoring you- peer reviewed evidence is all I ask.
@faircompetition1RE for the end of cancer . when I say i am a preacher It is part of my work as a missionary evangelist. i have seen people healed in Africa, I have prayed for some and they were healed by God. My brothers in Christ prayed for aman who was blind he cwas given his sight the following year as we went back to Africa we met him and he was praising God. We have seen horrifying manifestations of evil and we have seen the power of the name of Jesus , in delivering .
@scotmanalick Re "end of cancer" Dodged that didn't you the bible says if you ask it will be done. It does not say if god feels like it . You did not free us from cancer - proof that that part of the bible is not true- how much more is false? As to the rest sorry but why is it that every time a miraculous cure is claimed it happens without any evidence at all - when there is evidence what happened its never a miracle - strange isn't it?
@faircompetition1 Re "end of cancer" Dodged that didn't you the bible says if you ask it will be done. >>No I tried to explain that prayer is always answeed in accordance to Gods will. not our will.THYWILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. the apostle paul prayed 3 times for a thorn in the flesh (Ilness , or issue we dont know)to be removed . God said my grace is sufficient for you. He said No to Jesus. God has 3 answers to prayerYes No Not yet no such thing as maybe Con
@scotmanalick Re "prayer is always answeed in accordance to Gods will. not our will" sorry that is not what the verse says, it says it WILL be done, in fact there is another verse that says a true believer can do it himself without god. - You want me to quote them? John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater- no need to wait for god - cure cancer yourself. It is now your fault that people die from cancer because you fail to act.
@faircompetition1 RE the bible says if you ask it will be done. It does not say if god feels like it . jesus prayed 3 time paul prayed 3 times The answer was no because it was not Gods will. gods answers are wiser than our prayers. The thorn in the flesh was to keep Paul Humble because he had amazing encounters and revelatons of God, which could have led to pride on his part. He recieved adefinite answer, God spoke to him in away that he knew that God answered his prayer
@faircompetition1 RE.every time a miraculous cure is claimed it happens without any evidence at all .>> i can't comment on that because I am not aware of all the claims for miraculous healing. but One of my former co workers in homeless ministry was aformer prostitute to feed her heroin addiction she was also epileptic and she came to Christ on the same day her epilepsy was gone. Co incidence or God incident I was ashmatic i came to Christ my Asthma was gone. This common CON
@scotmanalick RE " i can't comment on that because I am not aware of all the claims for miraculous healing" LOL then you go on to claim a miraculous healing of your own - as always without any verification that there was something to be healed , that it is now healed and that it didn't have a natural explanation. Are you even aware of how dishonest your statement was? Why do the religious always end up here? Caught in their own blatant falsehood, do you think I am not paying attention?
YES!
marcohorowitz8 2 hours ago
2 of those questions were not even about their faith, just facts involving religion. Most christians, and muslims wouldn't know the first one anyway. I happened to know both because i get in a lot of debates on this and these things are good to know. I hope the other questions they don't bring up were better questions. And by the way, i happen to be christian
Bvkiwi28 2 hours ago
maybe religious Americans are stupids
But European atheists ARE HOMOSEXUALS, they kiss hairy male butts eeeewwwww!
antinazicholos5 4 hours ago
Americans tend to treat religion the same way they treat politics and nationalism: as a team sport. Being informed isn't necessary. The important thing is your conviction that you're right and the best and anyone that disagrees is the enemy. Aggressive ignorance is our national identity.
NeoConsREvil 5 hours ago
All so called atheists believe in God. They are just a bunch of people who hate Him.
darkfur35 6 hours ago
@darkfur35 haha what a stupid comment...
wenom12345 5 hours ago
@darkfur35 Look up the definition of 'atheist'. Then look up 'anti-theist'. Then go back to school because you've missed a bit.
jarkle 4 hours ago
It is only natural that a Christian may not be interested in learning more about the intricate details of Islam, Hindu, Buddism, or vice versa. When you are grounding in your belief, you don't need to search for another form of religion.
OurPurpose1 7 hours ago
"to teach a religion" - sounds more like some people need a job and try to produce parrots.
partonace 9 hours ago
Of course Atheists know more about religion.
THATS why we're Atheists.
civwarfan 11 hours ago 21
Yes you know more about other peoples religions lol even though its no use to you.
PrayMyFriend 7 hours ago
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@PrayMyFriend Re "Yes you know more about other peoples religions lol even though its no use to you." Unfortunately it is plenty of use , we are still in a world were the religious daily kill those around them, the president heard voices telling him to invade a country and the religious try to obstruct knowledge and medical advances . We need to know what you are up to so we can protect ourselves from you.
faircompetition1 52 minutes ago
@civwarfan lots of atheist just say they are withouth any fundamental meanings and information
Traceeeeyy 3 hours ago
@Traceeeeyy Clarify that please, because they way it sounds... Please clarify what you mean.
PalulukanMakto 2 hours ago
Atheists and agnostics are fucking smarter, period. Smarter people tend to also know more shit.
RichoRosai 13 hours ago 3
@RichoRosai Utter crap. Some of the smartest people I know (and I'm no slouch myself) believe in God.
chessnotdice 12 hours ago
@chessnotdice Agreed!
OurPurpose1 7 hours ago
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@chessnotdice re"Some of the smartest people I know (and I'm no slouch myself) believe in God." - perhaps you need to mix with a smarter crowd than at your church so you can meet smarter people. Studies looking at the correlation between education and religions belief support the premise of this video.
faircompetition1 47 minutes ago
why am i not surprised...
aingaran2003 17 hours ago
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a "separation between knowledge and faith"...
maybe look up the word faith genius. knowledge and faith aren't just separate, they are orthogonal.
(did all you agnostics laugh when you read that word knowing that the religious were confused?)
Terragenis 19 hours ago
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Terragenis 19 hours ago
Atheists and agnostics don't learn about religion so they can contend with religionists. That's ridiculous. Plenty of atheists come from backgrounds of religious family practice and knowledge of the Bible. The better picture is that atheists tend go be better educated all around, more trained to critical thinking and more broadly and deeply aware of the whole world's belief systems, and either gradually or through some dramatic event or incident become alienated from belief.
manthasagittarius1 21 hours ago 13
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@manthasagittarius1
Check out this blog, this guy looks real interesting as he is writing a book online regarding any world view, at "anyconstrual dot blogspot dotcom" and don’t forget to donate a dollar this is regarding decreasing population without war and he knows who wrote the bible and will exemplify that Jesus is a myth.
DrFruedienslip 2 hours ago
the question: if atheists know more about religion AND science then the religious, then why should we trust the religious' conclusion on these matters?
Devoti 1 day ago
Atheists don't belive in god because they know what relgion means.
RekonN1 1 day ago
god simply does not exist
ExtraordinaryVenture 1 day ago
What a bunch of nothing!
pulp7theman 1 day ago
athiest and agnostics are quite a small group lol
ziggysfix 1 day ago
Religion is IGNORANCE.
MrYorkshireFella 1 day ago
You don't need to watch the video to know the answer is 'yes'.
Skindoggiedog 1 day ago
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The bible is a work of fiction, and should be put in the "Fiction" section at the library.
Why bother to read this rubbish and even believe it?
1000frolly 1 day ago
Athiests know more about the bible because they actually read or listened to bible teachings and simply find no evidence of truth.Most "Religious" people are told by their parents or elders that god is real and have not read to have the facts and judge for themselves. Anyone with a more modern education know that the bible has way too many contradictions with things we've already proved with EVIDENCE such as the world being more then 4000 years old etc etc,
nick0mac 1 day ago 10
@nick0mac 'A more modern education?' Do you think we all time travel to school?! lol The age of the world...Bible doesn't say dogmatically any age. We assume from certain timelines, sure, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
chessnotdice 12 hours ago
@chessnotdice Not a deal breaker? Well, you know what P.T. Barnum said...
personEks 11 hours ago
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PrayMyFriend 7 hours ago
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1st of all these questions where not about the teachings of the Holy Bible, 2nd it hillarious how the athiest read the Bible just to disprove Gods exsistence, 3rd most people have a life, jobs and families to worry about than other religions and there idiologies. This is why we christians can care less about athiest and any other idiology out there. whats the use of gaining any kind of knowledge if in the future we all die.
PrayMyFriend 7 hours ago
@PrayMyFriend re "This is why we christians can care less about athiest and any other idiology out there" - so why did you post here then?
faircompetition1 44 minutes ago
I love it when the Christians argue in favor of teaching Christianity in public schools, then quickly change the subject when they are told that they must also teach Islam and other faiths, in order to be fair and balanced. (oops I just repeated a Fox News idiom)
CleanAirMeister 1 day ago 19
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@CleanAirMeister RE they must also teach Islam and other faiths, in order to be fair and balanced. That is why we have Religious Education classes which teach all thease things and more. at least in The UK.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
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Question #1 is biased towards New Yorkers and Jews knowing the answer. Question 3 is baised towards Muslims, as they would be more aware of where Islam is practiced.
The Surveyors admitted that they did not administer the test to an equal distribution of persons of the major religions.
As an Atheist I could draw the same conclusions of this study. However, even if the conclusions of the study happen to be correct, they are not correct as a result of a valid or reliable study...
yourtreat2 2 days ago
Yes they are. Welcome to America.
Pager1991 2 days ago 8
I'm an atheist and I got 2/3 (1st one I had no idea) of those "difficult" questions right. I am not surprised it wasn't until I studied religion that I realised I was not at all a theist
kimberleyseetoes 2 days ago
If God existed, there would be one religion, not many. Jesus is not God, even in Christianity. Yet, people worship him as God. There is no evidence that the first men (prehistoric) worshipped God. I feel badly for people who waste so much time on a fantasy, no matter how much comfort they take in it. Religion has caused so many problems for the world. It divides people into those who know the truth and everyone else. What advances humanity has lost because of ignorance and fear.
nbkcq28 3 days ago 2
@nbkcq28 REIf God existed, there would be one religion, not many. Jesus is not God, even in Christianity. Yet, people worship him as God> i think we need something more substantial than these assetions
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Total agreement , the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim . We need more than that to believe these fantastic claims. We need to verify with independent proof.
faircompetition1 2 days ago
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@faircompetition1 REotal agreement , the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim . >> I disagree when you say nothing to saubstantiate the claim. You are ignoring the historical evidence. You are ignoring the tradition of the jewish people as meticulous scribes and oral history. we know that Alex harvey got to his roots and the story could be recounted exactly by oral tradition. but the Israelites wrote everything down.
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@faircompetition1RE the bible is an assertation that there is a god with nothing at all to substantiate the claim >> Also the christian world veiw fits so wonderfully with what we see. We are rationl we are moral beings. Athiesm says rationality came from irationalal process and morality came from an Amoral process. Yet the image of God makes nore sense to me. the Logos the rational power and person behind the creation.who became flesh Jesus christ
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 days ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 days ago
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CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 3 days ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 days ago
Yes. I don't even need to see the rest of the video. Reading the title, my answer is yes.
Cutflood 3 days ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
Mogley52 3 days ago
face it hosts the vast majority of Americans are ignorant morons.
utube2344 3 days ago
that's the thing about religion, the more you know about it, the more you stay away from it.
gennarog 3 days ago 3
They sound like they're on a sports show
sirklondike303 3 days ago
I'm an atheist cause I read the bible.
mzyzer19 3 days ago 3
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@mzyzer19 "I'm an atheist cause I read the bible."
Then you're an idiot. If you believe the Bible, you can't be an atheist. If you don't believe it, then it can be easily dismissed as fiction. People write fiction all the time and it has no affect on whether or not a creator actually exists. Only a true simpleton thinks to himself, "The Christian Bible is not 100% true, therefore there is no God". However, you could logically reject CHRISTIANITY by reading the Bible.
badbeatbri3 3 days ago
It's pretty unimportant. Try asking the same people this: what's the square root of 69? eight something.....what's better, 69 or 77? 77. eight more.
666MetallicaDave 3 days ago
@666MetallicaDave ...thanks for that contribution. Retarded much?
coltsuperocean10 3 days ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 days ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 days ago
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 3 days ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 days ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
Mogley52 3 days ago
Exactly what one would expect of a theist. I always said that most theist never read the bible.
scottmds 3 days ago
I don't know the answers to any of those questions, but thankfully, as an atheist I don't have to care
whispersosoftly 3 days ago
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@whispersosoftlyRE. I don't know the answers to any of those questions, but thankfully, as an atheist I don't have to care> lol very honest,Bu how many of us Know the answers really? We hold to aparticular veiw from what we understand and then we ask questions The great thing about the human spirit is we search and look for answers and discuss these thing. It is part of being human
scotmanalick 3 days ago
the homosexual man-on-boy club: the catholic church.
Vyskochkova1 3 days ago
@Vyskochkova1 nice!
chrisbuxton1958 3 days ago
Why would anybody be surprised about the result of this survey? It's not as Stephen says, in the video, that atheists need to know to support their arguements. Educated, thoughtful people would, I think, have investigated the options and seen the pitfalls. Religion, as the survey shows is for the (largely) ignorant masses, You could call it the opium of the masses - hey, I think somebody famous said that (apologies to Lenin).
pkp59 3 days ago 2
@pkp59 "You could call it the opium of the masses - hey, I think somebody famous said that (apologies to Lenin)." Your apologies should go to Karl Marx (also said by others before him in less rigorous philosophical works, including the Marquis de Sade), although Lenin obviously agreed with him.
labrat1807 2 days ago
Religious people are stupid about religion because they they're stupid enough to FALL for religion in the first place.
41elliott 3 days ago 17
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@41elliott RE>Religious people are stupid about religion because they they're stupid enough to FALL for religion in the first place.. Somehow I don't think that argument stands
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick poor education and lower intelligence have been repeatedly negatively linked to a increased tendency for religious belief. I can think of one meta analysis in particular.
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@41elliott If that what you have to believe to convince yourself its crap...just remember many of the great inventors and scientists, pioneers and heroes of the world have been believers in God...
chessnotdice 8 hours ago
Thumbs up if you came here just to make fun of creationist
landonggg 3 days ago 26
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@landonggg RE.Thumbs up if you came here just to make fun of creationist.I read somthing in the paper about internet Trolls yesterday, and how they made a girls life misery. we all like a laugh. I amnot calling you a Troll, but what can be fun to someone can be very upsetting for others.
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Not a fan of trolls - can name a few religious trolls for you.
faircompetition1 3 days ago
@faircompetition1RE> I hope Iam not on your list lol I am a preacher thats what I do and I like agood discussion
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Nope not on my list. The basic difference between our two positions is I have no predetermined conclusions, I believe what the evidence indicates and I follow that where ever it goes regardless of my personal predisposition and belief. You have a conclusion that you are personally professionally, and financially dependent upon to be correct, you interpret the bible to support that position calling what does not metaphorical, what does literal and ignore all contradictory evidence
faircompetition1 3 days ago
@faircompetition1RE The basic difference between our two positions is I have no predetermined conclusions>Hmmm You have jumped to the conclusion that i have apredetermined conclusion . You Quite simply-Wrong. I met with the Lord Jesus christ and he changed my life as well as my world veiw Athiest/ agnostic i recognize that I do not understand many things but then i take Gods advice "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding,Pr3:5 continued
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick re "jumped to the conclusion that i have apredetermined conclusion" Your conclusion would be that there is a god. Truthfully are you open to the position that there is no god? Do you explore with an open mind the possibility?Your belief is made without the evidence that you would require for evolution . For example , what evidence is there for a world wide flood? There is a great deal against it yet you believe it happened because it is in your book..
faircompetition1 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Lets try this -John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater. I know that you can not test Jesus by asking for stupid stuff, but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? Selfless and it does say "Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do" Pretty clear that line isn't it? No cancer tomorrow and all you have to do is ask. I always wondered why not one christian has ever asked???
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE>states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater. I know that you can not test Jesus by asking for stupid stuff, but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? > My Mum and dad both died of cancer I have certainly been praying to God to help us find the cure for this disease i would like to share a testimony if you would bear with me My mother died over 20 years ago of breast cancer I was 29 years old con
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE but how about asking for the end of cancer starting tomorrow? On the day she died she was suffering greatly but she said to me Christ is with me. it did not really mean any thing to me all I could see was the pain and the ugliness of death. My youngest brother rwas 19. he became achristian and preached the gospel in 38 countries as a missionary. he told me about Jesus, I knew about jesus since i was 4 years old I wondered at the ressurection and judgement.
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalickRE end of cancer starting > continued as i sat with my wife. i suddenly became very aware of jesus i saw jesus in my heart and I saw my father with him. A powerful revelation. I said to my wife jesus is with my dad he is saved or he is going to be saved i knew this without a doubt. That evening my sister phoned and said a strange thin happened to Dad he met a young woman who spoke to him and asked if he was achristian he said no would you like to be one he sais maybe C
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE but how about asking for the end of cancer he told me about jesus many times i respected him but one day I was annoyed because he wrote me a letter telling me about saul of Tarsus and his conversion I felt he was suggeting I was as bad as him. Yes I was a bad boy.? but then he told me christ was made sin on the cross and he was forsaken by God the father Christ died for me christ is the bridge btween God and man. I beleived it.. Con
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE asking for the end of cancer > As i walked with God i came to know His love and presence in astonishing ways. my father was unconverted but boy did he know the bible. he was ill and 13 yearsdrs said he may not survive the winter. i prayed with friends for him and one day i went t pray by myself and as I prayed i prayed for my dad I came out and sat with my wife cntinued
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE.for the end of cancer > She said when , one day he said what about today she asked . She led him to Christ praying with him and he prayed asking christ to forgive him nd come into his life. he said that jesus walked out of the car with him. 2 days later my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer he died 3 months later god did not heal him> I was heart broken for my dad but God assured me of something greater for him God did not grant Jesus prayer con
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE the end of cancer, > in the garden of Gethsemane, If he had wheer would I be where would the world be there would be no Saviour. i want god to take away cancer I pray for it. I prayed for my dad God said no. but I know he loved my dad. Often God does use evil to bring about good.. God tell us ther is a time when there will be no disease death or sorrow. jesus wept for lazurus and he was going to raise him from the dead but the curse of death is why he wept
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick Re " I prayed for my dad God said no." cancer got my father as well. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would. For a cure for cancer we must turn to the one source that has a track record - science , medical science. It has made great leaps in prolonging life and reducing the suffering, praying has not. A harsh truth .The odds are if cancer is cured it will be medicine not your church. People are sick today support science to reduce suffering - pray later.
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE ." cancer got my father as well. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would>> sorry to hear abot your Father. i have no answer friend and would not want to give platitudes. it is easy when things are good for us as christians to spout of seek ye first the kingdom of God etc I belive that but I understan when people are suffering they need to know we care and God cares I truly believe that God is the agent science is the mechanism.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@faircompetition1 RE. Still the verse I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would.>> In an earlier post i explained comparing scripture with scripture in that way we are able to form a systematic theology. So each text is taken in the context of chapter and book and in the larger context of the whole bible. So we learn about prayer by comparing these verses about prayer and Gods will If we isolate atext we can make the bible say any thing eg THERE IS NO GOD Psalm 14con
scotmanalick 1 day ago
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@faircompetition1RE I quoted said it would be done not maybe it would. >> So there is no God, but the context is that "The fool says in his heart, There is no God Science i believe is a gift from God RE>>>The odds are if cancer is cured it will be medicine not your church. People are sick today support science to reduce suffering - pray later.>> I agree but I believe that all knowledge is revealed by God. I will continue to pray.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
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@scotmanalick RE"but I believe that all knowledge is revealed by God. I will continue to pray." why is he keeping the cure for cancer a secret? It will only be found by the hard work of scientists slaving away in labs day after day to help their fellow man. I Know of a girl ,spends her days looking at fruit fly's for a genetic mutation to cure breast cancer. Strange how scientists tending to be atheist, are the ones measurably helping their fellow man-yet you think they will go to hell.
faircompetition1 1 day ago
@faircompetition1 Another false conclusion!!! hmmm i am dependant on God , Not on a concept or aconclusion or a doctrine a teaching. but a person as revealed in his word and especially in His son the Lord jesus Christ. A Person with whom I have a relationship. Because I know and am sure that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God i can trust him with the things that I don't understand con
scotmanalick 3 days ago
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@scotmanalick Re "A Person with whom I have a relationship. Because I know and am sure that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God i can trust him with the things that I don't understand" Sorry , I have to be blunt, this is no evidence at all for anyone beyond you to believe.Please find some real evidence, A guy like me can rip the bible to pieces by comparing it's stories to reality. If all you have is the bible and your conviction you have nothing. cont
faircompetition1 3 days ago
@scotmanalick If you have a devotion to the truth the truthful answer you get is not always what you had hoped to hear.
faircompetition1 3 days ago 2
@faircompetition1RE Add in that your very job depends > I am a born again Christian whether I am in paid ministry or not I share Christ because it is my great joy and privelege to do so. God provides ALL my needs that is something I testify to and praise God for. When I talk of Christian experience proving god it means that God turns up with the help where and when I need it that is how we prove God by trusting his promises to us.The ministry I am in is faith based for support
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Kind of a pointless job if there is no god - isn't it?
faircompetition1 2 days ago
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@faircompetition1 RE>.Kind of a pointless job if there is no god - isn't it? I came from working to take up a calling. This is no job. Minisry is somthing God appoints us to. it is asolemn responsibility and aglorious privelege doing what i love for someone who loves me but the truth is That it is God that is doing the work he is simply using me as a vessel
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick RE " God appoints us" I would love to see a copy of the appointment to the ministry with god's signature on it .
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE " God appoints us" I would love to see a copy of the appointment to the ministry with god's signature on it i would love to tell you about my call to ministry and how amazing God spoke and revealed himself in the call which was wrought with difficulties and uncertainties but it almost certainly reveal my identity. The story has been recently Published
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick continuing on, just as you would be suspect of a scientist that started his research with a conclusion and proceeded to claim it true without any supporting evidence while ignoring anything that did not support it , I am naturally suspect of you. Add in that your very job depends on it and there are allot of reasons to question you. The scientist can always research something else if need be, if there is no god, a preacher is unemployed and needs a whole new career.
faircompetition1 3 days ago
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@faircompetition1RE> Add in that your very job depends on it and there are allot of reasons to question you>. if there is no god, a preacher is unemployed and needs a whole new career.> you seem to have a predetermined opinion on me and jump to some rather dodgy conclusions Well actually this is my new career. But its not acareer its away of life a calling. I am an electronics engineer in the Scottish oil industry I earned more money 30 years ago than I do now
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Re " Well actually this is my new career" Still, if there is no god, you are out of your current job right? Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if he suddenly discovered proof that creation was correct. In fact he would be busier than ever re-writing all the text books. Again the difference between our belief systems is evident, you prove god and I still believe what the evidence indicates, I disprove the bible and you have to start over again
faircompetition1 3 days ago
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@faircompetition1 RE.Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if > if there is no God I Ihave lost nothing if there is the unbeliever has lost everything. if I was out of a job tomorrow I would still thank God for the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ and the privilege of declaring it. the situuatio you ar puttinfg forward is one that the bible deals with. i will explain that this is not a new thing Nothing new under the sun the bible says. con
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Final time YOU CAN NOT PROVE THE BIBLE TRUE BY SAYING IT SAYS IT IS TRUE!!!!!! You require independent verification of its claims. For example get evidence there was a census to get Joseph to Bethlehem when required - there would be a record. Tip there was not one at the correct time.
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1RE Final time YOU CAN NOT PROVE THE BIBLE TRUE BY SAYING IT SAYS IT IS TRUE!!!!!! > Again we have good reason to BELIEVE the bible is true i am not here to try and prove it true i am her to give a reason for the hope that is in me. I BELEIVE the bible to be true. faith is a personal thing God is a person he reveals Himself PERSONALY. While i cannot prove the bible is true i know in my heart it is because God has made himself known to me.
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick RE " i cannot prove the bible is true" It is nice to see honesty finally. Why did you twist and turn avoiding telling the truth for so long, it just makes you look less than honest. The fact is you believe despite a great deal of evidence the bible contains errors and fabrications based on a gut feeling ("the bible is true i know in my heart"). Now why would god make himself known to just you when he could make himself known to all just as easily? What does he gain by hiding?
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE It is nice to see honesty finally. Why did you twist and turn avoiding telling the truth for so long, You wre not listening were you the bible is I believe is True. and I have said I have good reason to BElIEVE it is true There is a great difference between faith and its intellectual expression. We must rise above the intellectual into spiritual fellowship with God. I have good REASON note the emphasis faith is not blind.you are crweating astraw man again
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick Re " We must rise above the intellectual " Please tell me you are not telling people the way to god is to stop thinking! If there is a god it is unlikely that he will require you to ignore the very reality he created for you to find him. I did not create a straw-man , I quoted your own words , if you did not mean what you said correct yourself. I know you believe - you said " i cannot prove the bible is true" - I agree that is why I say to teach it as proven is dishonest.
faircompetition1 1 day ago
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@faircompetition1 RE Be honest your god is watching. A Biologist would not be out of work if >The bible deals with this "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vainYea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; Continued
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@faircompetition1 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lostIf only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. 1 cor 15 ;32
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick RE "Christ has indeed been raised from the dead" prove this with independent evidence not from the bible .
faircompetition1 2 days ago 2
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@faircompetition1 RE "Christ has indeed been raised from the dead" prove this with independent evidence not from the bible you see with the christian calling I do not have to prove any thing success does not depend on me> God did not say I would be succesful in convincing people . Read the bible, It is the Holy Spirit that convinces people. God only asks me to be faithfull in my calling to declare the gospel. We preach Christ God opens blind eyes
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick Re " I do not have to prove any thing" Translation - I can't prove my claims but believe them anyway and want you to believe them as well
faircompetition1 2 days ago
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@faircompetition1 Re " I do not have to prove any thing" Translation - I can't prove my claims but believe them anyway and want you to believe them as well. Whether you belive it or not my resonsibility before God is to preach the whole counsel of God Paul said when he did this that he was free of the blood of all men he preached to.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick Re " my resonsibility before God " - where does this responsibility come from? Is it the bible, you admit you can not prove true you just believe it to be yet teach it as true , you do not honestly teach that you think it true, you would like it to be true, but can not prove it true. It is dishonest to say something is true when you have no verifiable evidence that it is. i would like to say cancer will be cured , I believe it will be, but I have to say I honestly i'm not sure.
faircompetition1 23 hours ago
@faircompetition1 RE "Christ has indeed been raised from the dead" prove this with independent evidence not from the bible ,, the history of the church is pretty amazing. because the church has Chrsit as its head Charles "CHUCK" Colson "See watergate" said the most powerful men in the world could not make a lie stand, they were blown apart yet 2000 years later the church is growing unlearned men could not be refuted. they said we can only speak of what we saw and heard.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick Wrong.
TugsN 1 day ago
@faircompetition1RE Still, if there is no god, you are out of your current job right> if ther is no God or ressurection we are wasting our time we need to make the best of what we have got. Paul said . in fact he said we are found to be the most miserable of men if that was true BUT Christ was raised from the dead We can trust Him there is a God
scotmanalick 3 days ago
@scotmanalick Again you can't prove a book by referring to the book. Independent verification is what you require. Harry potter books say Harry was the chosen one and surprise in the book he turned out to be.
faircompetition1 3 days ago
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@faircompetition1 REAgain you can't prove a book by referring to the book. Independent verification is what you require. Harry potter books say Harry was the chosen one and surprise in the book he turned out to be. . se my explanation of tooth fairy. i.e the wiser more intellectual route is that haary potter is just afairy story
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick Re proof of your claims. Dodge and weave all you want , I repeatedly ask you to substantiate the fantastic claims in your bible. You naturally avoid this and I suspect you are already aware that this has already been tried and many of the claims have been found to be false. There is no flood, no census when required, no supporting evidence for the dead rising(All the graves opened - someone might have noticed) no evidence of creation, no witches, and no talking snakes - cont
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@scotmanalick continuing on. If we find a book, any book and we can prove whole sections of it are in error, that it makes claims of happenings that did not happen, ( no desert wanderings found by Israel and they looked and wanted it to be true) that it contains large sections of confirmed fiction, we must assume until proven otherwise that all the the unsubstantiated claims are also fiction. This means that your bible is a book of fiction, commonly referred to as myth.
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 RE>If weyou want literature I can point you to some great stuff find a book, any book and we can prove whole sections of it are in error, that it makes claims of happenings that did not happen, ( no desert wanderings >> this is not true any Historian can easily refute this. i can evn refute this if you want literature I can give you some good stuff . not enough space here.
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick RE "If weyou want literature" - not more fairy tails,or stories by people with a vested interest and blatant lies. I will of course ask for peer reviewed scientific data indicating a desert wandering as in the bible. A single Viking settlement in Canada for 1 year left archaeological evidence , in your story book 2M Jews spent 40 years making an 11 day trip and left no evidence. No broken pots , no housing, no food production no garbage piles - humans always leave garbage piles
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1RE "If weyou want literature" - not more fairy tails,or stories by people with a vested interest and blatant lies.>> Argument from ignorance. they are there if you want but clearly you do not want to consider it . Do you think that is a scientific approach to reject without even considering the OTHER side of the argument.
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick Re"reject without even considering the OTHER side of the argument." Wrong, i repeatedly ask for proof of your claim, you give me no evidence to consider. Peer reviewed evidence, not unverifiable fluff like " I felt his presence" . It Is just not evidence, frankly if it was I would just say I felt evolution's presence and you would have to believe in evolution. Please try to be honest with yourself and don't pretend I am ignoring you- peer reviewed evidence is all I ask.
faircompetition1 23 hours ago
@faircompetition1RE for the end of cancer . when I say i am a preacher It is part of my work as a missionary evangelist. i have seen people healed in Africa, I have prayed for some and they were healed by God. My brothers in Christ prayed for aman who was blind he cwas given his sight the following year as we went back to Africa we met him and he was praising God. We have seen horrifying manifestations of evil and we have seen the power of the name of Jesus , in delivering .
scotmanalick 2 days ago
@scotmanalick Re "end of cancer" Dodged that didn't you the bible says if you ask it will be done. It does not say if god feels like it . You did not free us from cancer - proof that that part of the bible is not true- how much more is false? As to the rest sorry but why is it that every time a miraculous cure is claimed it happens without any evidence at all - when there is evidence what happened its never a miracle - strange isn't it?
faircompetition1 2 days ago
@faircompetition1 Re "end of cancer" Dodged that didn't you the bible says if you ask it will be done. >>No I tried to explain that prayer is always answeed in accordance to Gods will. not our will.THYWILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. the apostle paul prayed 3 times for a thorn in the flesh (Ilness , or issue we dont know)to be removed . God said my grace is sufficient for you. He said No to Jesus. God has 3 answers to prayerYes No Not yet no such thing as maybe Con
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick Re "prayer is always answeed in accordance to Gods will. not our will" sorry that is not what the verse says, it says it WILL be done, in fact there is another verse that says a true believer can do it himself without god. - You want me to quote them? John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater- no need to wait for god - cure cancer yourself. It is now your fault that people die from cancer because you fail to act.
faircompetition1 23 hours ago
@faircompetition1 RE the bible says if you ask it will be done. It does not say if god feels like it . jesus prayed 3 time paul prayed 3 times The answer was no because it was not Gods will. gods answers are wiser than our prayers. The thorn in the flesh was to keep Paul Humble because he had amazing encounters and revelatons of God, which could have led to pride on his part. He recieved adefinite answer, God spoke to him in away that he knew that God answered his prayer
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@faircompetition1 RE.every time a miraculous cure is claimed it happens without any evidence at all .>> i can't comment on that because I am not aware of all the claims for miraculous healing. but One of my former co workers in homeless ministry was aformer prostitute to feed her heroin addiction she was also epileptic and she came to Christ on the same day her epilepsy was gone. Co incidence or God incident I was ashmatic i came to Christ my Asthma was gone. This common CON
scotmanalick 1 day ago
@scotmanalick RE " i can't comment on that because I am not aware of all the claims for miraculous healing" LOL then you go on to claim a miraculous healing of your own - as always without any verification that there was something to be healed , that it is now healed and that it didn't have a natural explanation. Are you even aware of how dishonest your statement was? Why do the religious always end up here? Caught in their own blatant falsehood, do you think I am not paying attention?
faircompetition1 23 hours ago