It is quite true how Nazi's are never depicted with the supposed physical qualities of Aryans, they are almost carbon copies of the Jews in Anti-Semitic propaganda from the German Worker's Party in Weimar Germany and Nazi Propaganda in Nazi Germany. It is not something that cannot be ignored in films that Maria is blue-eyed and blond-haired, one who says this is mere coincidence misses the role of films completely.
You fail to miss the message of the movie. That no mater how bad times might be, there is hope and happiness to get you through the darkness. It symbolizes hope, peace, and the faith to never stop following your heart.
Bottom line: it is "racist" and "fascist" for communist degenerates like Žižek because it is HEALTHY. Normal good looking european people portrayed in a positive light, therefore it goes against cultural marxism and it should not be allowed! Now Machete and The Woodsman, those are good, cultural marxist, honest movies!
@theantisauronist you want a beautiful Europe united by their cultural heritage working together free from ugly degenerates destroying the wholesome society. Well, that's fascist. You can at least admit it, it doesn't mean you want to kill jews. I think fascism has been given a bad rep, to me it's no worse than conservatism or other reactionary ideologies.
@nerfmyaccount Well... not at all. Europe lived for millenia without this kind of cultural marxist degeneracy. Considering that Fascism was conceived in the 30's, we can deduce it is not the only antidote to this kind of thing.
The smartest guy in the room is getting shot down with daffy duck and so far 17 of us have helped daffy win. That is why it has been allowed to get to a point where it appears that some still think that Expansion = Security and to cackle like a gaggle at something as important as ones mannerisms makes me curious about one thing, how long will it take you to adjust to a new paradigm? Freedom for you to critique etc. okay, and for me, let us not forget freedom for Him to speak and move UnDaffed.
Damn, look at how many low intellects the title of this video has attracted: most comments make fun of is his speech patterns, his mannerisms, has dialect, and then shit on his suggestion that racism might be more complicated than shouting the word "nigger." How more ironic could this be?... the answer is none... none more ironic.
@AnaLimaLuiza Bottom line: it is "racist" and "fascist" for communist degenerates like Žižek because it is HEALTHY. Normal good looking european people portrayed in a positive light, therefore it goes against cultural marxism and it should not be allowed! Now Machete and The Woodsman, those are good, cultural marxist, honest movies!
almost forgot, like to point out that this is a small clip of a full-length movie covering some deep lacanian analysis, and that this is an example that really only makes sense in that context. Its funny that some take this as an incapsulated thought when in reality its nearly meaningless without the context of his wider views on our relationship with ideology. Anyway check it out, "Zizek: The Reality of the Virtual"
@dasistedo Oh, so should we forget the role of the jew in nazi ideology? Remember its not just the nazi's role that resembles the jew in the sound of music, the role of the Von Traps is exactly the nazi's image of themselves. Relating the ideology of the sound of music to that of the nazi's is a symmetrical critique of both as using shallow, monolithic characterizations which, as broadly appealing, reveal to us truths about the structure of ideology itself. i.e. what we dis/like qua human being
Zizek's analysis of racist component in "Sound of Music" is very interesting. If you look at it, that's how many racist rhetoric is constructed - treating their folksy "traditional" national "identities"(such as the U.S. or Britain - but really is emphasizing "white identity") is under threat from possible foreigners' domination even though it's foreigners who are facing discrimination. And their "freedom of speech" is under attack while their "freedom of speech" is composed of racist mantra.
What a carpet bagging intellectual opportunist; like these ideas are new? Please - they're at least 30 years old. "Reality of the Virtual" - in the old days we called it by a quaint name: SEMIOTICS. It's not that Zizek is mistaken, it's that everybody seems to think his analyses are so groundbreaking when really, they come across as a little provincial. I guess he's big because he's a little less opaque than Derrida and Baudrillard.
Okay, now many of you hate me. That's the way it is, I guess.
@gkioniskk i rlly dont get how the movie is racist.... i dont know if i am losing something in translation in this video but i just dont get what he is saying. could you explain by any chance?
@bluehoopz44 He's saying that the Austrians are subtly represented as good, honest fascists and the Germans are represented as dapper Jewish businessmen. The move is, Slavoj says, subtly giving the message that fascists should resist the corrupting influence of Jews, whilst overtly saying that Austrian democracy was resisting German national socialism.
Or, the short version: Jews = bad, fascists = good.
Oh the irony! If we were to judge from the many uncomprehending comments on this clip, we'd have to say they are written by precisely the suspicious, anti-intellectual, anti-modern, subterranian fascists Slavoj is indicting this film of glorifying! Oh, the lulz!
The Sound of Music is just one of the more bizarre cultural products of the past 100 years. Seriously. It's a technicolor sunburst of leaping frolicing innocence against the back drop of a refugee story of flight from Nazi occupation and the coming world catastrophe. Zizek's point that the Nazi's are somehow Jews *yawn*(because they're cosompolitan?) says more about Zizzy's ideas about jews than about The SofM. The Sound of Music is much stranger than Zizek's dullish mis-reading suggests.
Philosopher - An obviously intelligent, yet eccentric schmuck who never grew out of the teenage phase of thinking that he knows the exact fucking answer for everything, and is incapable of understand that no one gives a fuck what he has to say about anything. Also has the ability to speak huge volumes of articulate words while amazingly managing only to say jack and shit of meaning. Usually gains a following of weak minded individuals who need to be told what hand to wipe their ass with.
@AlienZygote010 well actually almost all philosophers would say that they didn't really know everything, they don't try to explain anything, they just ask questions.
@AlienZygote010 Not to take away from a good metaphor, but the ability to know "every answer" was part of the reason philosophy sprouted. When metaphysics attempted to apply one morality to all situations, existentialists poped up, etc etc. Still, the practice of a philosopher is very much like that- they have to claim to "know" be become the true icons they are. They are headstrong because they indulge their creativity. Much like the Nietzschean overman, they "create" themselves.
And he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Neither are his cultists (english graduate students writing theses on psychoanalytic marxist feminism in buffy the vampire slayer in an upscale coffee shop in a gentrified area of some college town)
@ajaarg Unenlightening crassitude, a dead giveaway of your all-too-human self-loathing. This does not imply Zizek idolising on my part, just that you're a prat
There's an interview w/ him on Brazililian network Globonews @ this very moment.He's kinda funny, complaining about everything-he's worse than me on that regard!- and he's scratching/rubbing his nose and 'combing' his goatee every 5 seconds, while talking a trillion miles a second-he sounds like he's either on coke, crack, meth, or maybe hasn't gotten laid since Gorbatchov was in power.
Zizek is so, so SO highly overrated. Have any of you even read one of his works, let alone comprehended one of them? Do you need your intellectual food handed to you in the form of a whacky slovenian youtube personality before you'll pay any attention?
I despise this new breed of faggy pseudo-intellectuals the internet is churning out - people who haven't read a book in their lives, yet fancy themselves philosophers. Go and namedrop Zizek to your hipster friends you failures.
@Intelectual95 I accidentally clicked on a new video and again I find the same reply as in any other of Žižek's videos on youtube. Do you hold a personal grudge towards public intellectualism? You don't seem a well-read and intelligent person to me. Finish a few schools and grow up.
@Intelectual95 I would have to agree with rockit353. If you know anything about the radical left school ove the last three decades you'd know who Slavoj is and why he is so incredibly influential. If you have read his work and didn't comprehend them, I suggest you re-read them or get a study guide. Best of luck to you mate!
I call bullshit. This is a case of over-analysis. Five-year-olds have no problem seeing that TSOM is about some nice people who liked to sign and dance who were going to be killed by some racist people who didn't much care for singing and dancing, and they had to run away from said people.
If you slow down The Mary Poppins chimney scene you see (approximately 3 frames of) her saluting the fuhrer and wearing a swastika...also the Chim-Chimeny song backwards it contains the first verse of a Nazi war anthem....:D
@maxwelledu Ha ha...you took me seriously...I was joking ..bless. Although it makes as much sense to me to say that to what he is saying.
Historically we are talking of a very different time where political correctness did not exist like it does today. Plus there are much more important things in the world to think about in the current world than wether a musical from the middle of last century matches up to his modern day perception of political correctness. Like the realworld for example!
@maxwelledu minds like zizek unfortunately are sparse so it is unlikely you will find a psychoanalytic account of TSOM, similar to this one, in the rich literature of youtube...i doubt you have the necessary arguments in store to question zizek's account and even if you did it would be lengthy and not end in "i call bullshit"...you're merely proving your blindness to the reality of fiction, you cannot approach and at the same distance yourself from the virtual reality to understand said theory..
Somehow the Jewllywood Jews used "traditional values and anti-semitism" (almost extincts nowadays) against TRADITIONAL VALUES and ANTI-SEMITISM, showing kike-looking nazis oppressing small-town people.
The young couple sings about the girl being so incompetent that the boy (who is only one year older) should make all of her decisions for her.
Later, the character of Maria says sings about the joys of loosing her identity and the ability to think or act independently for herself once she is married and "belongs" to her husband.
I am pretty sure that the movie is about exploiting the feminine while leading it to subjugation in a male dominated world.
@Lamonjello Is there a political message in "24"? Yes. Is it spelled out for the audience by any of the characters? No. Is there a message in the Rocky films, Black Hawk Down, or Cruising? Of course. Is it spelled out? No. Do the audience leave the cinama talking about the message? No. Do they 'get' it? Obviously - otherwise none of them would disagree with it.
Most of fiction is PROPAGANDA. And lots of it is PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING as well. Culture creation from the top down. For a global end goal, called «THE GREAT WORK». Check CuttingThroughTheMatrix (dot) net to understand and learn more. Nevertheless, cinema isn't a bad school, especially if you know that.
But the bigger question is which subtext actually affects more people? And thus has more wide spread consequences? The blatant narrative that is easily noticed by many, or the more hidden alleged "virtual texture" narrative noticible only to few like Zizek?? LOL.
@pixusbubblejet Obviously ordinary people notice the way a story is told as well as the story itself. They just tend not to think about it or question it - and so they accept it.
Funny, I know a guy who wrote a review of Sound of Music about 15 years ago that argued that the Von Trapp family were "anti-Nazi fascists". I re-published some of his other film reviews online, now I wish I had published that one so I could compare it to Zizek's clever deconstruction!
@Hrema , I pity people you then , he is one of the best, if not the best contemporary philosopher with lot of original thinking. I am from India, he is quite popular in this part of the globe
@kishore209 Pity us all you want, we have a far better understanding of his political "talks", since we come from the same political background as him. There are a lot of people here who have the same ideas about socialism, he just has a better way of putting it than the rest of them :P Besides when he talk internationally, in English he's a lot more careful about what he's saying ;)
@Tarvoc It might be because you're from Germany. I don't know if the movie was popular in Europe, but here in the US, it's the #3 movie of all time in terms of box office revenue.
@MrBloody32 And even... whether you're from Europe, the U.S., Mars or somewhere from the Delta Quadrant: you should be ashamed if you've never HEARD of The Sound of Music ;)
@Tarvoc The production was very good, the music is very good, and of course its a Cinderella story which are always popular. Also its about escaping/outwitting the nazis which are the easiest and most readily available villans in 20th century cinema.
@Tarvoc It is VERY popular also in Italy..and..if you are from Germany, you might have seen Falco's video "The Sound of Musik" that was clearly inspired by the film..
Austria - "the innocent victim of the nazi invaders"? Hitler himself came from Austria as did many of the top nazis. Unfortunately, the fact is that Austria (i generalize surely) never delt with it's nazi past - or present - much. "We were the poor victims only..." Yes and no. The interesting question may be: do the traditional "tight" alp communities produce fascism especially. It surely seems so.
I'm not sure if I agree with Zizek, having never actually seen that movie in its entirety, but I'll give him credit of beautifully deconstructing it. This is what Critical Theory is all about.
This don't make sense. Nobody thinks that the German NAZI's are Jews that don't make sense. It is you that is saying well dressed and fancy are automatically Jewish when they really aren't. Besides the captain in the Sound of Music dresses and acts pretty sophisticated himself he may enjoy the quiet life but hes no bumpkin as for the kids there just kids. Some have said there was an undercurrent of homosexuality in Nazism I hope thats not used as an anti gay point but I do see it there
I think the idea is that back then, Nazi's saw themselves as the schnitzel eating inbreds and Jews as high falutin business types who threatened their chances of prosperity.
I'm only guessin that's what he means. Now that it's been put in that light - I can see it.
I get that but thats an interpretation one that is not obvious and probably not the directors intention. The Nazi's are not Jews and plenty of Jews probably ate shnitzel. Jews are not really mentioned but it is clear that the captain does not approve of the NAZIs and will not fight for them. He took a principled stand against participating in a war he thought was wrong. In this day and age story about a conscientious objector is not a bad message
If anything the director was implying that the NAZIS are a bit homosexual or at least homoerotic. Thats a controversial issue as saying NAZIsm is kinda gay could be seen as an attack on gay people. Of course the NAZIs were officially very homophobic and killed openly gay people. A lot of anti gay people turn out to be secretly gay or afraid they are. Ironically it is believed Hitler had sexual affairs with men
nja, well, I don't think that's the point he wants to make... of course nazis aren't jews, and of course jews ate schnitzel... but what nazi-ideology wanted to transport in those (aswell as in these) days is that there is clean, real, uncorrumpted culture, that has to be preserved against destructive, decadent influences. so far. now, what zizek says is, that in that movie, in fact the nazi-invaders are shown as a destructive, decadent influence towards the austrian down-to-earth culture,
and funnily enough, they're shown with the same symbols (cigarres, fine dresses - decadency) that the nazis ascribed to the jews. it _works_ the same way: "get rid of the alien parasites" and, more interesting, "get rid of the 'cosmopolitan' influences, that destroy our culture". (talking about the film's asthetic as zizek sees it; I wouldn't associate hitler's regime with cosmopolitanism. but it me be the film's 'virtual' expression, of course.).
It still doesn't make this a NAZI propaganda film. Otherwise the NAZI's wouldn't be the bad guys. It also doesn't make it anti Jewish unless you consider Jews to be automatically decadent. I tend to think there is a real culture that is being destroyed by corruption. Its called Americanization or westernization( Europes where the more sophisticated version of this comes from lol) and within America or Europe this consumerism is destroying the real culture. Its not about religion its culture
it's about abstraction. ;) it's not a nazi-propaganda-film, it's not directed against jews, but it uses some nationalistic/racistic thought patterns. like that your homeplace's tradition is pure and right, and the outside world's influence is blurring and destroying it. that's it, basically.
In some instances thats true. Like white settlers coming to take the land from the natives and spread their culture, which consists of a church and a bar a bible a bottle and a gun
@wallsmightbreak Nice comment. About my own people or cultural group, I wouldn't say it's "the right tradition" or even less "the best tradition", it's just the tradition of mine, of my people, and indeed outside influence is destroying it. If it were for the best I'd accept it, but it's just a macdonaldization, it's destroying small local identities following this headless hen that is the global economy. I suppose that's not what you were referring to.
@wallsmightbreak rather, zizek is pointing out that, regarding their place in the story on a written performative level, the nazis in TSOM are essentially playing the same role that democratic politicians play in other films
the same can be said about most disney films and perhaps 95% of american pop culture, sports, and educators... at least through to 9/11/01. or would that be pushing it too? Semiotics: Derrida: your language follows its own logic, including all aesthetic phenomena produced by it... Now, let us all decolonize and heal together by no longer sustaining humanity's plight toward conflict (the only way beastias can live), and gently become part of the ether and dissipate like good zen masters.
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I've never seen this movie, or even heard of it until about now for that matter (musicals ain't my bag). I'll I'm here to say is one thing: doesn't this guy sound like a Slovenian version of Jerry Lewis? He's got that weird "swishing" effect to his voice, heh.
Said said this like 35 years ago... about stuff that's way, way more important that "Sound of Music". Or maybe I just don't get it, because it wouldn't be like Zizek to state the... uhm, already stated...
Good clip.
Perhaps the uploader should call the video "Slavoj Žižek explains why the Sound of Music is fascist" ?
roryphelan 2 weeks ago
sorry double negative *It is not something that can be ignored
CaptainJones32 1 month ago
It is quite true how Nazi's are never depicted with the supposed physical qualities of Aryans, they are almost carbon copies of the Jews in Anti-Semitic propaganda from the German Worker's Party in Weimar Germany and Nazi Propaganda in Nazi Germany. It is not something that cannot be ignored in films that Maria is blue-eyed and blond-haired, one who says this is mere coincidence misses the role of films completely.
CaptainJones32 1 month ago
Compensatory hand gestures
oxfordshirt 1 month ago
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You fail to miss the message of the movie. That no mater how bad times might be, there is hope and happiness to get you through the darkness. It symbolizes hope, peace, and the faith to never stop following your heart.
aldisk56 2 months ago
see, i told you he was a fake-nazi.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
Bottom line: it is "racist" and "fascist" for communist degenerates like Žižek because it is HEALTHY. Normal good looking european people portrayed in a positive light, therefore it goes against cultural marxism and it should not be allowed! Now Machete and The Woodsman, those are good, cultural marxist, honest movies!
theantisauronist 2 months ago
@theantisauronist you want a beautiful Europe united by their cultural heritage working together free from ugly degenerates destroying the wholesome society. Well, that's fascist. You can at least admit it, it doesn't mean you want to kill jews. I think fascism has been given a bad rep, to me it's no worse than conservatism or other reactionary ideologies.
nerfmyaccount 2 months ago
@nerfmyaccount Well... not at all. Europe lived for millenia without this kind of cultural marxist degeneracy. Considering that Fascism was conceived in the 30's, we can deduce it is not the only antidote to this kind of thing.
theantisauronist 2 months ago
@theantisauronist And you keep an eye on normal good looking healthy people, because they deserve to be bred properly!
Unbihexium 2 months ago
Did anyone else click on this video thinking Zizek was claiming that the rhythymic organization of sounds was racist?
babebeubaboon 2 months ago 12
@babebeubaboon possibly the funniest misunderstanding i've ever heard
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The smartest guy in the room is getting shot down with daffy duck and so far 17 of us have helped daffy win. That is why it has been allowed to get to a point where it appears that some still think that Expansion = Security and to cackle like a gaggle at something as important as ones mannerisms makes me curious about one thing, how long will it take you to adjust to a new paradigm? Freedom for you to critique etc. okay, and for me, let us not forget freedom for Him to speak and move UnDaffed.
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Damn, look at how many low intellects the title of this video has attracted: most comments make fun of is his speech patterns, his mannerisms, has dialect, and then shit on his suggestion that racism might be more complicated than shouting the word "nigger." How more ironic could this be?... the answer is none... none more ironic.
featheon 3 months ago
What IS he talking about?
zx5083 3 months ago
Jews have moustaches? Or Zhidek is crazy?
idosermaniac99 3 months ago
It is more about stereotypes than racism. The big concern is that there is not a single nigga at the movie.
This is so sad! We demand a new version with each children being a representative of niggas, homosexuals, transgenders.. the whole scum.
Xmas is arriving. Who will watch it now?
AnaLimaLuiza 3 months ago
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@AnaLimaLuiza Bottom line: it is "racist" and "fascist" for communist degenerates like Žižek because it is HEALTHY. Normal good looking european people portrayed in a positive light, therefore it goes against cultural marxism and it should not be allowed! Now Machete and The Woodsman, those are good, cultural marxist, honest movies!
theantisauronist 2 months ago
the jews were really nazis! i knew it!
robjs89 3 months ago
@robjs89 ahahhaa you got it, now here's your treat.
Konicava 3 months ago
Why can't this guy just learn normal english?
EnLugal 4 months ago
best time watching Slavoj Zizek when I"m high :)
rang4life41 4 months ago
his gestures remind of the Joker from Batman
nomania 4 months ago
Wow
tndowns1122 4 months ago
almost forgot, like to point out that this is a small clip of a full-length movie covering some deep lacanian analysis, and that this is an example that really only makes sense in that context. Its funny that some take this as an incapsulated thought when in reality its nearly meaningless without the context of his wider views on our relationship with ideology. Anyway check it out, "Zizek: The Reality of the Virtual"
Budzilla24 5 months ago
@dasistedo Oh, so should we forget the role of the jew in nazi ideology? Remember its not just the nazi's role that resembles the jew in the sound of music, the role of the Von Traps is exactly the nazi's image of themselves. Relating the ideology of the sound of music to that of the nazi's is a symmetrical critique of both as using shallow, monolithic characterizations which, as broadly appealing, reveal to us truths about the structure of ideology itself. i.e. what we dis/like qua human being
Budzilla24 5 months ago
@dasistedo
Yeah, Zizek is kind of a hack.
PhoenixDerHamster 5 months ago
Zizek's analysis of racist component in "Sound of Music" is very interesting. If you look at it, that's how many racist rhetoric is constructed - treating their folksy "traditional" national "identities"(such as the U.S. or Britain - but really is emphasizing "white identity") is under threat from possible foreigners' domination even though it's foreigners who are facing discrimination. And their "freedom of speech" is under attack while their "freedom of speech" is composed of racist mantra.
unorthodoxtrotsky 6 months ago 2
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@unorthodoxtrotsky I am offereing 1.000.000 of my CAPITALISTIC euros to whoeevr is able to explain how Marxist/communist ideas can be realised
WITHOUT ending in
1) TERROR, DICTATORSHIP, UN-FREEDOM, but in FREEDOM
2) POVERTY; FAMINES; IN-EFFICIENCY, but in PROSPERITY.
I wopuld even pay another 100.000, if anybody were able to point out to ONE example of where communism/leftist agenda ever worked.
joaquinveyron 3 months ago
Why would Žižek think the "cosmopolitan jews" to be any better than fascists? Isn't Marxism opposed to bankers, who are the bourgeoisie?
jonathanaconway 6 months ago 2
"One of the great achievements of Western civilization... The Sound of Music."
Sounds like Žižek is the fan here.
Thomistica 6 months ago
@Thomistica It could've been sarcasm, too.
psylentknight 6 months ago
@Thomistica he says: one of the great achievments of western civilization a movie like the sound music
, that and the way he say it, make me think that he is not a really big fan
genesis098123 6 months ago
I have been following his advice, looking at the movie's 'texture', and it is almost certainly not racist, it's a musical.
TrotskyFC 7 months ago
What a carpet bagging intellectual opportunist; like these ideas are new? Please - they're at least 30 years old. "Reality of the Virtual" - in the old days we called it by a quaint name: SEMIOTICS. It's not that Zizek is mistaken, it's that everybody seems to think his analyses are so groundbreaking when really, they come across as a little provincial. I guess he's big because he's a little less opaque than Derrida and Baudrillard.
Okay, now many of you hate me. That's the way it is, I guess.
Autostade67 7 months ago
his aksent is ohsom
karoloandria 8 months ago 2
Racism,Fasism,Burreaucracy,Jews,realist wanna-be Idealism and obssesions are all mixed in a ultimate soup of confusion.Hurray!!!!
gkioniskk 8 months ago
@gkioniskk i rlly dont get how the movie is racist.... i dont know if i am losing something in translation in this video but i just dont get what he is saying. could you explain by any chance?
bluehoopz44 8 months ago
@bluehoopz44 He's saying that the Austrians are subtly represented as good, honest fascists and the Germans are represented as dapper Jewish businessmen. The move is, Slavoj says, subtly giving the message that fascists should resist the corrupting influence of Jews, whilst overtly saying that Austrian democracy was resisting German national socialism.
Or, the short version: Jews = bad, fascists = good.
BigMikeMcBastard 7 months ago
Too bad that you tube can be used as a forum for idiots.
skooterlibby1 8 months ago
So "Austrian" is a race, now? Jeebuz H. Christmas...
MrCleatsketch 8 months ago
@MrCleatsketch Dumbest, most irrelevant comment on youtube ever.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes 2 months ago
Virtual texture!
chapaev36 9 months ago 2
For some reason I keep thinking about Daffy Duck....
godfreemorals 9 months ago 25
@godfreemorals if donald duck and yogi bear had a baby, perhaps?
LionelRaw 1 week ago
Oh the irony! If we were to judge from the many uncomprehending comments on this clip, we'd have to say they are written by precisely the suspicious, anti-intellectual, anti-modern, subterranian fascists Slavoj is indicting this film of glorifying! Oh, the lulz!
You people crucified Jesus! Haha...
OuTofJoY 9 months ago
The Sound of Music is just one of the more bizarre cultural products of the past 100 years. Seriously. It's a technicolor sunburst of leaping frolicing innocence against the back drop of a refugee story of flight from Nazi occupation and the coming world catastrophe. Zizek's point that the Nazi's are somehow Jews *yawn*(because they're cosompolitan?) says more about Zizzy's ideas about jews than about The SofM. The Sound of Music is much stranger than Zizek's dullish mis-reading suggests.
JG27Pyth 10 months ago
He doesn't say anything about racism. He's arguing that the movie portrayed an inverse image of its literal interpretation.
BoraxMan25 11 months ago
Philosopher - An obviously intelligent, yet eccentric schmuck who never grew out of the teenage phase of thinking that he knows the exact fucking answer for everything, and is incapable of understand that no one gives a fuck what he has to say about anything. Also has the ability to speak huge volumes of articulate words while amazingly managing only to say jack and shit of meaning. Usually gains a following of weak minded individuals who need to be told what hand to wipe their ass with.
AlienZygote010 11 months ago
@AlienZygote010 *understanding. pardon my mistake
AlienZygote010 11 months ago
@AlienZygote010 well actually almost all philosophers would say that they didn't really know everything, they don't try to explain anything, they just ask questions.
almanacofsleep 11 months ago
@AlienZygote010
AHAHAHAHAHA I'm a philosopher.
WATITDOO16 10 months ago
@WATITDOO16 - and i am a heterosexual. what's your point?
AlienZygote010 10 months ago
@AlienZygote010 Not to take away from a good metaphor, but the ability to know "every answer" was part of the reason philosophy sprouted. When metaphysics attempted to apply one morality to all situations, existentialists poped up, etc etc. Still, the practice of a philosopher is very much like that- they have to claim to "know" be become the true icons they are. They are headstrong because they indulge their creativity. Much like the Nietzschean overman, they "create" themselves.
jacobthelioneater 10 months ago
LOL awesome
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
It's not racist. It's just satanic. Think about Lady Gaga and the Rock songs.
etoangfavoriteko 1 year ago
What a load of crap. Conspiracy theorists unite!
mihaidanila 1 year ago
helluva coke sniffle @ :12
arglbargl 1 year ago
And he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Neither are his cultists (english graduate students writing theses on psychoanalytic marxist feminism in buffy the vampire slayer in an upscale coffee shop in a gentrified area of some college town)
ajaarg 1 year ago
@ajaarg -- If you read more of him you would know that he is more critical of these people than anyone else
brchful 11 months ago
Zizek is a doughy neckbearded pederast.
ajaarg 1 year ago
@ajaarg Unenlightening crassitude, a dead giveaway of your all-too-human self-loathing. This does not imply Zizek idolising on my part, just that you're a prat
belzondium 1 year ago
@ajaarg Thank you for the alert. It takes one pederast to discover another one.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 months ago
Lets get this straight jews were nazis and nazis were jews and Slavoj Zizek is antisemitic. As well as a bumbling idiot.
Johnny75416 1 year ago
@Johnny75416 hes not talking about nazis, he's talking about the nazi's performatice role in the sound of music. but okay, whatever you say
auxili160 1 year ago
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sohc287 1 year ago
never liked the movie, bored me to tears. a generational thing?
tomitstube 1 year ago
I almost laughed when he said The Sound of Music was one of the greatest achievements of western civilization.
MeLikeGuns 1 year ago
There's an interview w/ him on Brazililian network Globonews @ this very moment.He's kinda funny, complaining about everything-he's worse than me on that regard!- and he's scratching/rubbing his nose and 'combing' his goatee every 5 seconds, while talking a trillion miles a second-he sounds like he's either on coke, crack, meth, or maybe hasn't gotten laid since Gorbatchov was in power.
egyptianminor 1 year ago
idiot
marlboroman1985 1 year ago
Zizek is so, so SO highly overrated. Have any of you even read one of his works, let alone comprehended one of them? Do you need your intellectual food handed to you in the form of a whacky slovenian youtube personality before you'll pay any attention?
I despise this new breed of faggy pseudo-intellectuals the internet is churning out - people who haven't read a book in their lives, yet fancy themselves philosophers. Go and namedrop Zizek to your hipster friends you failures.
Intelectual95 1 year ago
@Intelectual95 I accidentally clicked on a new video and again I find the same reply as in any other of Žižek's videos on youtube. Do you hold a personal grudge towards public intellectualism? You don't seem a well-read and intelligent person to me. Finish a few schools and grow up.
rockit353 1 year ago
@Intelectual95 I would have to agree with rockit353. If you know anything about the radical left school ove the last three decades you'd know who Slavoj is and why he is so incredibly influential. If you have read his work and didn't comprehend them, I suggest you re-read them or get a study guide. Best of luck to you mate!
ayandabam 1 year ago
fucking lisp.
deathbycriter 1 year ago
Is what I'm watching the reality of Zizek, the pseudo or virtual reality, or is the virtual reality the reality of the officially depicted reality?
bahramf 1 year ago
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openbuddhistforum 1 year ago
slavko žužek
haha še slovensko težko govori kaj pa šele angleško
barbikabarbika 1 year ago
My Austrian Jewish grandmother always hated "The Sound of Music" for similar reasons...
mikesxdestroy 1 year ago 19
"maybe you could even call it writing..." ! awesome
anomalek 1 year ago
Slavoj Žižek =Michelangelo of 20cet no1 get him and his crazy fast mind
Try to get in a live with him. He will blow your mind away with his thinking,with his energy & with his charizma.
Genius or Lunatic (or new Micheangelo)
tomtube888 1 year ago
I call bullshit. This is a case of over-analysis. Five-year-olds have no problem seeing that TSOM is about some nice people who liked to sign and dance who were going to be killed by some racist people who didn't much care for singing and dancing, and they had to run away from said people.
maxwelledu 1 year ago 3
this guy makes me want to be a gang banger... know what i mean?
tjisgone 1 year ago
If you slow down The Mary Poppins chimney scene you see (approximately 3 frames of) her saluting the fuhrer and wearing a swastika...also the Chim-Chimeny song backwards it contains the first verse of a Nazi war anthem....:D
Booderforce 1 year ago
@Booderforce don't you think that it'd be on youtube if that were true? i searched "mary poppins nazi" and nothing came up. i call bullshit
maxwelledu 1 year ago
@maxwelledu Ha ha...you took me seriously...I was joking ..bless. Although it makes as much sense to me to say that to what he is saying.
Historically we are talking of a very different time where political correctness did not exist like it does today. Plus there are much more important things in the world to think about in the current world than wether a musical from the middle of last century matches up to his modern day perception of political correctness. Like the realworld for example!
Booderforce 1 year ago
@maxwelledu minds like zizek unfortunately are sparse so it is unlikely you will find a psychoanalytic account of TSOM, similar to this one, in the rich literature of youtube...i doubt you have the necessary arguments in store to question zizek's account and even if you did it would be lengthy and not end in "i call bullshit"...you're merely proving your blindness to the reality of fiction, you cannot approach and at the same distance yourself from the virtual reality to understand said theory..
georgetical 1 year ago
any way that movies sucked
AhrimanVII 1 year ago
After he stopped talking.... All I say was..."what....?"
nycgurl017 1 year ago
yeah, i mean you can, jumbopumba. no one'd listen to you anyways. but for zizek, its his job.
NAPALMJACKS 1 year ago
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Somehow the Jewllywood Jews used "traditional values and anti-semitism" (almost extincts nowadays) against TRADITIONAL VALUES and ANTI-SEMITISM, showing kike-looking nazis oppressing small-town people.
Mhmm pretty smart parasites.
InertLoop 1 year ago
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Fucking hell, can't people take a break from being "intellectual" and just watch a movie without the fatuous analysis?
jimbopumbapigsticks 1 year ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks maybe they can do both.
sshhrriinnee 1 year ago
f*uck ostriches
kredit787 1 year ago
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roryphelan 1 year ago
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roryphelan 1 year ago
holy shit
dunnededunnedunne 1 year ago 4
The young couple sings about the girl being so incompetent that the boy (who is only one year older) should make all of her decisions for her.
Later, the character of Maria says sings about the joys of loosing her identity and the ability to think or act independently for herself once she is married and "belongs" to her husband.
I am pretty sure that the movie is about exploiting the feminine while leading it to subjugation in a male dominated world.
(Just kidding.)
florydory 1 year ago
Why do we care? If he has to "explain" why it's racist, then that suggests no one will get a racist message from watching the movie otherwise.
Lamonjello 1 year ago
@Lamonjello Is there a political message in "24"? Yes. Is it spelled out for the audience by any of the characters? No. Is there a message in the Rocky films, Black Hawk Down, or Cruising? Of course. Is it spelled out? No. Do the audience leave the cinama talking about the message? No. Do they 'get' it? Obviously - otherwise none of them would disagree with it.
KapitanoStuff 1 year ago
he said it's fascist, not racist
hockeybum90n5 1 year ago
@hockeybum90n5 maybe by racist they are referring to the anti semitic element of his conception?
roryphelan 1 year ago
I can see the portrayal of folksy Austrians vs "cosmopolitan" Nazis... but saying the latter is a veiled depiction of Jews is just a bit too far.
oclandestin 1 year ago
So wait, the Nazis were Jewish?
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stijnblommerde 1 year ago
Most of fiction is PROPAGANDA. And lots of it is PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING as well. Culture creation from the top down. For a global end goal, called «THE GREAT WORK». Check CuttingThroughTheMatrix (dot) net to understand and learn more. Nevertheless, cinema isn't a bad school, especially if you know that.
ausseratem 1 year ago
But the bigger question is which subtext actually affects more people? And thus has more wide spread consequences? The blatant narrative that is easily noticed by many, or the more hidden alleged "virtual texture" narrative noticible only to few like Zizek?? LOL.
pixusbubblejet 1 year ago
@pixusbubblejet Obviously ordinary people notice the way a story is told as well as the story itself. They just tend not to think about it or question it - and so they accept it.
KapitanoStuff 1 year ago
I think this analysis is total bullshit! LMAO!
bigsky780 1 year ago
Funny, I know a guy who wrote a review of Sound of Music about 15 years ago that argued that the Von Trapp family were "anti-Nazi fascists". I re-published some of his other film reviews online, now I wish I had published that one so I could compare it to Zizek's clever deconstruction!
leostoltoy 1 year ago
I think it's funny that people take him seriously :D He's a joke here in Slovenia XD
Hrema 1 year ago
@Hrema , I pity people you then , he is one of the best, if not the best contemporary philosopher with lot of original thinking. I am from India, he is quite popular in this part of the globe
kishore209 1 year ago 2
I mean you ppl..: -)
kishore209 1 year ago
@kishore209 Pity us all you want, we have a far better understanding of his political "talks", since we come from the same political background as him. There are a lot of people here who have the same ideas about socialism, he just has a better way of putting it than the rest of them :P Besides when he talk internationally, in English he's a lot more careful about what he's saying ;)
Hrema 1 year ago
@Hrema not true at all.
banana1337kivi 1 year ago
My mind! It is blown!
Mattyd242 1 year ago 3
i hate sound of music. my whole family love it. they are democratic fascists.
blueingreentrain 1 year ago 2
This man is a joke...
asdfgasdfasdful 1 year ago
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"Why this movie was so extremely popular"? I've never heard of it before Zizek began talking about it...
Tarvoc 1 year ago
@Tarvoc It might be because you're from Germany. I don't know if the movie was popular in Europe, but here in the US, it's the #3 movie of all time in terms of box office revenue.
MrBloody32 1 year ago 35
@MrBloody32 It was very popular in Europe, I don't know anyone who hasn't heard of ot :)
Hrema 1 year ago 2
@MrBloody32 And even... whether you're from Europe, the U.S., Mars or somewhere from the Delta Quadrant: you should be ashamed if you've never HEARD of The Sound of Music ;)
Fangelus 1 year ago
@MrBloody32 it was very popular in most of Europe... sadly. Its a crap movie. But as you say Tarvoc propably hasn't heard of it since he's German.
ohyran1 1 year ago
@MrBloody32 yes, in Europe it's also as popular as in USA, maybe not in 3 rd place, but it is one of the most popular movies of all time.
Arqueovideo 7 months ago
@MrBloody32 its the film that keeps repeating at christmas here in portugal
LuisManuelLealDias 7 months ago
@Tarvoc The production was very good, the music is very good, and of course its a Cinderella story which are always popular. Also its about escaping/outwitting the nazis which are the easiest and most readily available villans in 20th century cinema.
mrzipdisk 1 year ago
@Tarvoc It is VERY popular also in Italy..and..if you are from Germany, you might have seen Falco's video "The Sound of Musik" that was clearly inspired by the film..
GisellaUnforgotten73 1 year ago
The only racist here is Zizek. He's the one who equates rich, oppressive bureaucrats with Jews - not the movie.
r22k10 1 year ago
it doesn't matter if it's exactly true or not. the point is to make you think.
kehya 1 year ago 2
Fascist traits? Honest fascists stopping jewish cosmopolitan takeover?
Why they need to put in "jewish" in that sentence, or fascists is interesting.
soccom8341576 1 year ago
Austria - "the innocent victim of the nazi invaders"? Hitler himself came from Austria as did many of the top nazis. Unfortunately, the fact is that Austria (i generalize surely) never delt with it's nazi past - or present - much. "We were the poor victims only..." Yes and no. The interesting question may be: do the traditional "tight" alp communities produce fascism especially. It surely seems so.
joumiet 1 year ago
I'm not sure if I agree with Zizek, having never actually seen that movie in its entirety, but I'll give him credit of beautifully deconstructing it. This is what Critical Theory is all about.
renumeratedfrog 2 years ago
This don't make sense. Nobody thinks that the German NAZI's are Jews that don't make sense. It is you that is saying well dressed and fancy are automatically Jewish when they really aren't. Besides the captain in the Sound of Music dresses and acts pretty sophisticated himself he may enjoy the quiet life but hes no bumpkin as for the kids there just kids. Some have said there was an undercurrent of homosexuality in Nazism I hope thats not used as an anti gay point but I do see it there
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
I think the idea is that back then, Nazi's saw themselves as the schnitzel eating inbreds and Jews as high falutin business types who threatened their chances of prosperity.
I'm only guessin that's what he means. Now that it's been put in that light - I can see it.
LiamOcean 2 years ago
I get that but thats an interpretation one that is not obvious and probably not the directors intention. The Nazi's are not Jews and plenty of Jews probably ate shnitzel. Jews are not really mentioned but it is clear that the captain does not approve of the NAZIs and will not fight for them. He took a principled stand against participating in a war he thought was wrong. In this day and age story about a conscientious objector is not a bad message
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
If anything the director was implying that the NAZIS are a bit homosexual or at least homoerotic. Thats a controversial issue as saying NAZIsm is kinda gay could be seen as an attack on gay people. Of course the NAZIs were officially very homophobic and killed openly gay people. A lot of anti gay people turn out to be secretly gay or afraid they are. Ironically it is believed Hitler had sexual affairs with men
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
nja, well, I don't think that's the point he wants to make... of course nazis aren't jews, and of course jews ate schnitzel... but what nazi-ideology wanted to transport in those (aswell as in these) days is that there is clean, real, uncorrumpted culture, that has to be preserved against destructive, decadent influences. so far. now, what zizek says is, that in that movie, in fact the nazi-invaders are shown as a destructive, decadent influence towards the austrian down-to-earth culture,
wallsmightbreak 2 years ago
and funnily enough, they're shown with the same symbols (cigarres, fine dresses - decadency) that the nazis ascribed to the jews. it _works_ the same way: "get rid of the alien parasites" and, more interesting, "get rid of the 'cosmopolitan' influences, that destroy our culture". (talking about the film's asthetic as zizek sees it; I wouldn't associate hitler's regime with cosmopolitanism. but it me be the film's 'virtual' expression, of course.).
wallsmightbreak 2 years ago
It still doesn't make this a NAZI propaganda film. Otherwise the NAZI's wouldn't be the bad guys. It also doesn't make it anti Jewish unless you consider Jews to be automatically decadent. I tend to think there is a real culture that is being destroyed by corruption. Its called Americanization or westernization( Europes where the more sophisticated version of this comes from lol) and within America or Europe this consumerism is destroying the real culture. Its not about religion its culture
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
it's about abstraction. ;) it's not a nazi-propaganda-film, it's not directed against jews, but it uses some nationalistic/racistic thought patterns. like that your homeplace's tradition is pure and right, and the outside world's influence is blurring and destroying it. that's it, basically.
wallsmightbreak 2 years ago 28
In some instances thats true. Like white settlers coming to take the land from the natives and spread their culture, which consists of a church and a bar a bible a bottle and a gun
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
@wallsmightbreak Nice comment. About my own people or cultural group, I wouldn't say it's "the right tradition" or even less "the best tradition", it's just the tradition of mine, of my people, and indeed outside influence is destroying it. If it were for the best I'd accept it, but it's just a macdonaldization, it's destroying small local identities following this headless hen that is the global economy. I suppose that's not what you were referring to.
SubtUtiles 1 year ago
@wallsmightbreak rather, zizek is pointing out that, regarding their place in the story on a written performative level, the nazis in TSOM are essentially playing the same role that democratic politicians play in other films
auxili160 1 year ago
he's describing something that is playing itself out at the level of the unconscious
JimminyButtfuck 2 years ago
heidi of the hiLLs weren't nothin' but a HO aLso
tomcornhole 2 years ago
i'd bang julie andrews...
awwhellnogadammit 2 years ago
@awwhellnogadammit
even today?
CaptainBluebear08 2 years ago
well, i'm not a necropheliac. i meant back then,lol
awwhellnogadammit 2 years ago
@awwhellnogadammit
well you could be a septuagenarian for all i know.
back then she once played a cross dresser as well, btw.
CaptainBluebear08 2 years ago
fuck off
TRUSTMEIMANINJA100 2 years ago
I guess you don't realize that she is still alive hahaha
MephistoWaits 2 years ago
yeah, i do. it was a bad joke. now to clarify, the only version of julie andrews i'd bang is the sound of music one.
thank you.
awwhellnogadammit 2 years ago
the same can be said about most disney films and perhaps 95% of american pop culture, sports, and educators... at least through to 9/11/01. or would that be pushing it too? Semiotics: Derrida: your language follows its own logic, including all aesthetic phenomena produced by it... Now, let us all decolonize and heal together by no longer sustaining humanity's plight toward conflict (the only way beastias can live), and gently become part of the ether and dissipate like good zen masters.
deluz 2 years ago
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I've never seen this movie, or even heard of it until about now for that matter (musicals ain't my bag). I'll I'm here to say is one thing: doesn't this guy sound like a Slovenian version of Jerry Lewis? He's got that weird "swishing" effect to his voice, heh.
Darkon711 2 years ago
Heh. Mr. Munro. What a tightwad.
Darkon711 2 years ago
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SOMEBODY enjoys taking themselves seriously...
Darkon711 2 years ago
Said said this like 35 years ago... about stuff that's way, way more important that "Sound of Music". Or maybe I just don't get it, because it wouldn't be like Zizek to state the... uhm, already stated...
Nostatementinthename 2 years ago
Ballard, DonDelillo, Zizek are Genius
TANTOSLOSNICKSCOGIOS 2 years ago
I think hes pushing it, really.
ArjeeBhajee 2 years ago
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What a man takes seriously tells us how much he should be taken seriously.
jmonroe64 2 years ago
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I have heard a lot of BS in my life but this takes the cake!
jrjacobsil 2 years ago
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His logic is pretty messy. It seems like he's grasping at the wrong straws to justify himself.
2ltben 2 years ago
I usually find what he says is very interesting and forces one to think, but I can't see what the f&^k he is talking about in this one!!
skipstah70 2 years ago
The director of the film, Robert Wise, was Jewish.
daleroes 2 years ago
like that proves anything.
JrFLYnnIV 2 years ago