I think the best compromise is electronic drums with real hi-hat/cymbals. Still easy to record, with a couple of boom mics. I still haven't heard an electronic kit that can replicate hi-hat/cymbals properly.
Rubbish! I have V-drums (older version - but new ones sound as bad). They are not samples, they're mathematical attempts by Roland at simulating real drum sounds and like guitar amp modeling, they FAIL! Even Omar Hakim sounds boring on V-drums. Samples are at least real sounds but volume switching creates artificiality. If you can't hear how sterile and castrated v-drums sound compared with acoustic, then you're in the wrong job. How about painting instead?
I prefer acoustic for control/dynamics/sound its hard to recreate the subtleties... but am switching because I can't play or record my acoustic kit where I live.
Each have their pros and cons, it depends on the individuals circumstances and preferences. Each to his own.
I play DDrum 4 with Roland silent mesh pads. Live they sound as good as it gets. No mics, use real cymbals. More control with electronic, no mic spill. Lower stage volume and killer acoustic sound. I prefer them, easier to run into my JBL EON vs a miced kit. Nice review, well done.
As an starter drummer, just for the love to it, I cannot express my thanks to your video. Finally a guy with experience and ball to put the things right. You had made my life (in the drumming part) much much easier. I had a drumm teacher for 14 lessons (i did not continue) who was teaching on a Roland TD9 with mesh and he has saying all the time that real drums are only acoustic drums. What a moron!
I've tried e-drums time and time again, the best you can buy, and I just cannot get used to them... I don't mind triggered acoustics, its the feel and dynamics of acoustic drums that keeps me with them. The good e-drums can get close but I don't care if I have to spend more. I play to enjoy. If that means expensive, so be it. :)
Agree! I was fired from a band for using E Drums.They sound great.EZDrummer with Roland drums.We hired an old guitar player and he filled them all with delusions of stardom and hated e drums.And they followed his dumbass!He also knew I wasnt buying his bullshit.But they stabbed me in the back(christians)They have shitty morals! OK,sorry about the rant.But e drums are badass!I played accoustics for 30 yrs.Also,Keyboards must not be real,and guitars through effects must not be real.
It's like telling a great guitarist he is fake unless he uses an acoustic guitar. Drummers show their stupidity when they talk this trash. You out of date idiots need to get with the times. Rock on!
well,i also call e-drums "fake",i explain why...they need pre-recorded sounds,so they're not like an electric guitar or bass,BUT i have to be honest,they're the future.I'm a drummer and many many times when i have to record something in the studio it's very tiring and frustrating having to handle all the mics!Sometimes producers wanted to kill me,and unfortunately i understand their point,time is money!Not to mention that i live in an apartment and certainly i can't practice on an acoustic drum.
Thank You. Thank You Very Much. Because there no way in the world as of now I can afford all those mic's and drums. Yes I do want me a DW Acoustic Set. And I will buy one. But for Recording My Album I'm looking at Roland or Pearl Electronic Drums. Been playing acoustic drums for over 30yr's
the fact is musicians are going to become obsolete second best to machines ... that means composing too ... anyone who thinks they can tell a difference between an acoustic set played on a record / live between an electric one is kidding themselves and talking out their ass ... I've heard synthesizers play BLUES solos with every articulation pick/leggato run, bend and every other nuance that makes people appreciate "authentic" sounds of a guitar. EXCELLENT video
yeah, people keeping bagging me and saying "why don't you play real drums?" when i play on my electronic kit, but when i play on an acoustic kit, they are suprised and tell me im good... wtf?
ive played both but i prefer to play acustic... the more money you spend on electic the better they are... but acustic sets feel better and always will.
@spparkie1 You get what you pay for. A low level kit (which I assume you went for) will never match a high-end kit. The Roland TD-20 must feel incredible.
@spparkie1 That depends on the circumstances. If you have the room and you don't have to worry about noise, maybe an acoustic kit would be better. However, if either of those are an issue to you, you want a simpler experience (you won't have to worry about tuning, for example) or you'd like a pretty wide range of sounds, then I'd say that an e-kit would probably be better. Again, it depends on the circumstances.
yeah its easier to record and you do have the convenience of volume control, I always wanted one. my cousin had one and it was nice, but I like the sounds of an acoustic set over an electric set but i get what your saying
many people in the music shop are saying that "acoustic drums are better than electronic drums". But still, i will not buy acoustic drums. i will buy electronic. thank you @CenasCorner
thanks man that really helped i am selling my acoustic drum kit and getting an e kit , just ordered the new Alesis-DM8-Pro-Kit any thoughts on that kit?
Hey man great vid! Ive got a spair bit of money and I was wondering if I should by an electronic kit. Of course I have got a real kit that I play, but im just wondering about when I want to play my drums at night! I have silence pads but to be honest, it makes them sound s**t! So, should I buy an electronic kit to play when the rest of my street has gone to bed or should I just keep my acoustic kit?
i'm playing guitar now and i have a new amp of 179,- (europe euro's) and i want to drum but i dont want to disapoint my parents and they say: thats to loud!!! and: we have not enough space!!!!! i think: there is enough!!!!!!!!! a electric drumkit is smaller and you can play with headset so i think maybe i may drum with electric drumkit but thats so much money...... grtz PS good video
Isn't it like saying that Electric guitar is fake too then? I'd like electronic drums, cause I can program them and I got neighburs, and I really don't want to wake their 2 year old son up :)
I am making a home studio and I need a drum kit. Like you said, I don't want to spend a fortune on mics. What electronic drum kit would you recommend for around $900ish? I'm thinking the Alesis DM10 but I don't want to make any quick decisions yet.
I agree that there are many benefits. I myself feel too much of a difference in the overall feel to use them, especially since I play mostly live music with no amplification. If I had the need for recording purposes, I would certainly reconsider. The disadvantage to me is you can't use brushes on e-drums, which as a jazz player is pretty important. Maybe someday... When e-drum companies can reproduce the sound and feel of brush playing on an acoustic kit, I will be thoroughly impressed.
You said it: it's simpler and easier. And that's exactly what makes it boring. When I produce something I like a challenge, and you just don't get that with electronic kits, or midi. I don't really think they sound worse than an acoustic kit, but it also depends on the rest of the production. Most electronic kits i've tried sounds very processed, and even a bit TOO high end at times. They're great for some productions, but you talk about acoustic kits like they're obsolete. I beg to differ.
yea like he said the double bass peddle is trigerd now you can make it sound faster!!! and better!!!! so electronic drums are the new thing to make drums easier!
John Cena IS Nexus. You make a good point about the electronic drums and it must be nice never having to tune the kit. Only thing I don't like about it is when a guy says look at my double bass speed when hes got his shit all triggered up and you know he can't handle that speed without the triggers. Maybe when it comes down to that he might be considered a fake drummer.
(drummer for 2 years) ive had 2 kits. a pearl forum and a alesis dm10 studio, i can say without a doubt. electronic kits are superior, better value, and so much easier to record.
Shipley, is it possible that you didn't catch up with the latest technology? The days of the "machine gun" e-drums are gone. Of course, you can play crescendos on e-drums. Volume and timbre change with increasing strength, because different samples are used. High-end e-drums also have positional sensing that causes the samples to be changed in response to where the drumhead is hit. Finally, attack modulation and alternating samples make rolls sound very natural.
Hey Cena thanks for the response. I will check out the brands you mentioned. Really looking at Pintech. Ok, I'm on the same page as you for the cymbals. How do you feel about a Ion drum/Pintech cymbal combination as a kit over all for an ex pro (Rockband drumming is all I do any more.) that plays the kit as you would an acoustical kit? Maybe a little heavy handed when the intensity gets higher! Anyway thanks for the reviews...I was just having a bad day. Digimortal
I'm not insulting drummer or electric kits. I'm making a point about the fundamental logical nature of electric sets. something that is undeniable. They are not real sound producing instruments. They are computers with a playable user interface that emulates what real drums do.
@shipleyshipster And as I stated if we were back in the day you would be right, In todays world you are wrong! although it is a computer and what have you, samples are no longer just samples. Go listen to the TD20. Many people are using these in studios and when people listen to them they think it is an acoustic set. Just as @ITookThisDudesName stated below.
@CenasCorner Jesus..... Calm down dude. Not everyone uses the professional stuff. Neither are most people going to spend that much on some set of microphones that, yes, are better but they're not.. how can I say... a nessasary thing. So calm yourself down. By the way, I know YOU wouldn't argue with some like yourself. But I woud anytime. Why? You can't physically nor mentally hurt me. :)
@FishyButter Well you do not know that. I cannot physically hurt you because I CHOOSE not too. You do not know who I know and what information I can get but frankly you or no one else on the net is worth all that. This is where the name Troll comes from because since you feel there is no consequence for what you do, you want to act foolish on the internet. However there is one thing I can do., BLOCK YOU!
@iTookThisDudesName Yes maybe the dude who wants to argue with me should check that brain out. The TD20 is an AMAZING brain. And as you found out sounds like a acoustic kit if used right. That is also why it is the most expensive in the Roland line. The other thing is that a lot of drummers are doing electronic conversions. So they use the shell of the acoustic drums but have electronics in them with mesh heads. Sneaky Sneaky:)
(continue) It's just like instead of electric guitars using pickups, they just had preprogrammed sound effects for every string of every fret. Unplugged, an electric guitar still plays, just quietly. This is why I put keyboards and electric drums into the category of not 'real', same skill to play, but not a 'real' instrument (technically speaking). Also, by definition, electric drums will never sound as real as a real drum set, no matter how you look at it.
@shipleyshipster How many bands that you listen to do you think use Electronics in the studio. I am not talking live I am talking recording albums which is what you listen to. How many drummers?
@CenasCorner First off, I don't see how that related to my comment. Secondly, I'm not bashing electrics sound production or quality, not am I bashing the use of them. I'm trying to make a point here, that no matter how you cut it, the sounds from an electric set are computerized responses as opposed to real produced sound. Its a hard drive of pre-recorded and made sounds from other sets. Technically I could make the same tracks by merely telling the drum brain to play things in an order I choose
@shipleyshipster And you can make your point but as someone who uses these things and have been playing this instrument for many years, I have the right to counter or state my point. I think you need to read up on the world of electronic drums before you make such bold statements. Calling someone instrument "Fake" can be found as insulting no matter how you word it. Drummers like myself have spent MANY years on our craft, and electronic or not to call it fake is not fair and a direct (cont)
@CenasCorner I don't see how it was insulting, though I'm not a drummer, so i can't claim it wasn't. I said I agree that people who play drums are doing just that playing, and that they have just as much skill as anyone else. Now, that aside, it is an incontestable fact that electronic drum sets do not produce real sound, as to the very nature of the argument. So as far as playing goes, same. As far as recording goes its not real sound, although its SOUNDS good.
@shipleyshipster insult. My statement was very relavent because many bands uses electronics for drums and many people cannot tell it. Being I am a drummer I can tell you right away an electronic set from an acoustic if I listen carefully because I can hear it. However do not come to my channel or any others and try to make a point if you do not want an answer back. If you disagree with me that is fine, yet I have drummers reading this that would totally disagree with you. you have to accept that
@CenasCorner No one will disagree with what electronic drum sets are. Which is a computer with preprogrammed audio files that play in accordance with your hitting. Fact is, you can get exactly the same sound playing an electric set as you can if you could just plug your drum brain to a computer and tell it to go "cymbol 1/2 second, tom 1/4 second, snare 5 times" etc.
But unlike electric guitars which have magnetic microphones, electric drums (typically) just register the placement and power behind a hit and reproduce a preprogrammed sound effect. Your correct in that they take just as much skill to play, however technically its like playing a computer keyboard, the sounds that it emits aren't real. There is also rarely ever crescendo for electrics (gradual increase and build up).
@shipleyshipster Back in the day you would be correct and one of the reason why I would never play electronic drums. However with todays drum modules and what they are doing, that is no longer true. I can crescendo all day long on my kit and this is also evident if you watch a performance of a drummer using todays electronic kits. Electronic drums have come a long way, and is now becoming a very popular choice among all drummers.
@CenasCorner But does your electric set use magnetic or some other type of microphone to pick up the sounds made by the set? Because on an electric guitar or acoustic guitar, that is what's happening. Both can play unplugged just fine and be in tune real instruments. That's one of my main issues with electric drums, YOUR not actually making the sounds, sure your playing, but when you hit the drums its not actually you making sounds, its just a signal being sent to a computer.
Good points. People who argue that electronic drums are "fake" aren't getting the point. E-Drums have real advantages for practice and recording. I've done some recording with acoustic drums. It can take 6 hours only to get the mikes and the sound right. Besides, e-drum sound generation and trigger technology has improved vastly and is still improving. I tried the Roland TD-12 last month - it's fantastic, I'm going to order one next year.
I recently recorded drums for my band in a studio. We used no triggers and such when doing the recording, but trigger sounds were put on the drum samples on the bass drum after we were done recording because 200BPM 16th notes on bass sounds like shit without it.
@FishyButter Man I would not argue with someone who has been in the industry and who has done recording! I never said all mics I said PRO high standard mics. I guess you would not believe that you can pay $500.00 for one case to hold an acoustic bass drum either huh? Believe me it does I have bought such a case
I prefer acoustic drums because when i used e-drums for recording it picked up all of the ghost notes and acoustic drums can have a wider variety of sounds than a electronic kit
Cena, I couldn't agree with you more, if roland made cymbals out of metal with some sort of silence mechanism inside, and made the pads look more like accoustic, most drummers would only use electric, they are amazing(especially roland) everytime you want to do a drum cover, you don't have to say "hmm, i need a thinner drum head for this...", electric kits, you just have to assign a new sound, they are also compact and just very advanced.
@Digimortal1622 I apologize for the angry post. Ive been playing an acoustic Ludwig set for years (mid '70's). I haven't played in 4 or 5 years, and through your videos I got turned on to Rock Band and bought an Ion Drum Rocker. Though it is a big improvement over the pack in drum kit, it has been frustrating for me at times, hence the sour post. To me, the biggest short coming is the Waayy too many dropped hits. I've tried many "fixes" but it seems the Ion cymbals will have
I apologize for the angry post. Ive been playing an acoustic Ludwig set for years (mid '70's). I haven't played in 4 or 5 years, and through your videos I got turned on to Rock Band and bought an Ion Drum Rocker. Though it is a big improvement over the pack in drum kit, it has been frustrating for me at times, hence the sour post. To me, the biggest short coming is the Waayy too many dropped hits. I've tried many "fixes" but it seems the Ion cymbals will have to be replaced
@Digimortal1622 Well honestly that is because the Ion cymbals suck and if you are serious about an electronic kit to use for pro purposes, the Ion will not be it. Sure it is a great kit for RB and for just practice, but not for the purpose you are wanting it for. I would look into Pintech,Roland or Yamaha. I think you will find those better suited if you want to replace or add onto an acoustic kit.
lets see Neil Peart uses a mix of acoustic and e drums and hes no fake Cena makes very valid points about cost to those who say playing e-drums is a drummer playing fake drums well they just dont have a clue and probaly their only contact with any band or concert or recording experience is listening to the crap 128KB mp3 they stole off limewire
e-drummers fake yeah right I hit you with this drum stick I betcha I put your eye out
Hey Cena! All though out of the subject, did hear about the Ion Drum Rocker Pro? Well, if you didn't, then check out ionaudio.com and tell Ryan about it!
if i ever get the money for it, i want an acoustic kit. however, i'd probably get an electronic kit because of sound adjusting without having to buy dampeners. since i'm only 17, i live with my family so drumming acoustically without dampeners would make too much sound. i would like an acoustic set eventually though. does the electronic stuff in the acoustic set pick up different sounds when you hit the drums in different places? cause it isn't the same if you hit it other places right?
i commented while this video was loading, and electronic drumsets are real, they are legit, and i've been to shows with a guy playing an electronic drum set. they're real, they're legit. so anyone that says otherwise, reply to me. i'll set you straight. i actually play drums, and they're real. i love my band, and yes i play acoustic drums, but electronic drums don't let you cheat in anyway, they're a legit drum set. so yeah! screw you. they're real!
i prefer my acoustic set....it's real, and lively, and i love it. i have a tama set, and it's the greatest thing i've ever bought. all 1300 dollars worth. lol that's with hardware and cymbals, and a thrown. so with everything to play today i paid 1300. not too bad. haha i like it so much. with my band going, i wouldn't have it another way.
I think as long as it looks like an Acoustic kit I'm fine. Really, I just don't like the look of Total electronic drums (Rock band and Guitar Hero style). Don't get me wrong these types of drums are best for gaming because of learning purposes but as long as a drummer is using what looks like an actual kit I'm good.
I have played on both kits and yes the electric kits are better for recording purposes and there are electric triggers but in certain situations both drum kit types have drum talking.
i recorded an ep last december, and the way i recorded was with my acoustic ddrum, after the producer had my take of a song, it was compressed and mixed through protools and it sounded perfect, a difference that electronic has when recording is unless you have a top of the line set, you arent going to be able to get accents and a more realistic feel when the final mix comes out. he gave me an in depth reason to why he would rather use an acoustic set, technology is just so advanced its unreal
Not totally true. I've seen so many electronic drummers that have gotten so many awesome comments.
But electric vs acoustic. I'd rather choose acoustics, they are more organic than electric drums. With electric drum kits, unless you buy a higher crust drum kit, it's not going to sound as great as an acoustic. But then again, the drummer makes the drums. My little brother loves acoustic, but he prefers electric because it's smaller and more suited for quiet practice.
@XAlphaZEROX I did not say evey video got it. However I have spent the last week doing nothing but watching drum covers and looking at comments. Trust me they are there.
@MrBrodo789 Yeah I know because I said if you do it right. I did not say all mics would cost that, but when you get into recording and live stage shows and such, it is possible to reach that number. I have seen it happen.
@MrBrodo789 Yep, and he's not lying either. Give or take a few grand, if you wanted to buy quality mics, you also have to buy cables, stands, preamps, etc. Professional studios will not mount their mics on your drums, muchless will they not buy cheap gear either. They also mic each cymbal individually, plus overheads, lus ambience (room, natural reverb, etc). It adds up quick.
@richyrich55 Like kabutomx said you have to practice. That is something that really cannot be taught. As you practice and get use to separating your 4 limbs and learning the proper techniques, speed will come:)
I play acoustic, and I HAVE Played electric, I PREFER Acoustic, I will play an electric if I have to, or want to, but I think that nothing like is quite as authentic as an acoustic, especially considering that most electric kits have at least a little lag between hitting the pad, and the sound coming out.
My school has multiple roland kits, which I've played.
also, Shannon Lucas, Black Dahlia Murder's drummer, uses kick triggers.
and Cena, what bands have you played in? it'd be interesting to no
i hate drum triggers. i hate the synthetic sound of them. nothing beats the sound of a well tuned, micced, and EQed acoustic kit. using triggers is taking the easy way out if you ask me.
@chaveznieves I guess you should stop listening to music with drums in it then, because like I said more drummers you listen to right now uses triggers. Also that is also the misconception. In the 80's and 90's I would agree with you. However the drum brain I own and the ones on the market now, you cannot tell a huge difference i you know what you are doing.
@chaveznieves You are open to your opinion but take it from someone that has been doing this his whole life. We do not always tell the public everything! I use to list my equipment to, and if I had a drum that had a trigger to you think I said something like I have a tama rock star kit with 10' toms and yeah I use this trigger? OH NO!! You may know or think you know what they do live, but you do not know the tricks of the studio unless you have lived it!
@CenasCorner and that doesn't mean i can't listen to things with drum triggers. i just don't have to like how the drummers choose to play. i didn't say its wrong. i just don't like it. and it doesnt make the rest of the music bad.
@chaveznieves hey bro, I would like to point out that the acoustic sound you hear in studios, in 99% cases, is triggered. The ordeal is, the trigger is not routed to an electronic drum module. Instead, it's routed to a MIDI application that triggers his acoustic mic'ed sample instead of a digital sample. This is mainly done for post-mixing and mastering.
@venger yeah i can. look. i have my opinion. there's nothing wrong with stating it. if you don't like it thats not my problem. nor do i care. and i've also stated that i don't think its necessarily wrong to use electronics, i just don't care for it
@gguueeyy I do not know about any other program, but I know it works very well in Garage Band. Garage band is the all in one solution if you have a mac. You need nothing extra and you can use either all the sounds from Garage band or from the DM6. Just plug it in the USB and it recognizes it as a midi controller and instrument. I am sure it will work with other programs but again I do not know how well.
@DWRhythm Yeah saw one at Guitar Center today for $99.99. A person at Apple who is a "Garage Band Expert" Says I do not need one as it is set up for plug and play and all that. However I do not know if I believe him or not.
@CenasCorner I'd, personally, be skeptical. Especially if you're triggering via Midi. Only way to tell is trial and error, my friend. If you need any help, give me a shout,I'd be happy to help you set it all up.
Another excellent soap box, sir!!! It's probably safe to assume that the majority of those who like flame electro drums are probably not real drummers either. With all the technology we have today it just seems more efficient to go electronic. However electro drums can never replace pure skill (to echo your point). Me having banging away on my plastic RB drums for over a year now have developed a desire for me to learn the real skill of drumming. All from a silly lil video game. Good info Cena!
I love my acoustic kit. You love your e-kit. Who cares what kind of drums they are? People are acting like babies about nothing. But I wish sometimes I had an e-kit because I want to take some with me to my dorm. Drums are drums. I don't care what kind of kit it is. As long as it does what I want it to, I don't care. Drums are drums.
I'll give you another example of why electronic drums would be better in certain situations.
I have a friend that use to play guitar in a band (I actually use to run sound for them) and he told me that he thinks he has permanent ear damage now because of the natural sound that the drums made and has stated on several occasions that he wished that more people would use electronic drum kits for that very reason.
Software exists that will automatically replace the drummer's live performance with samples, like Drumagog. This is another way that electronics are being incorporated into music without most consumers being aware of it.
Drums are drums to me. It doesn't matter if it's Elec. or Acustic. I have both, a Tama acustic kit and a Roland TD-12 and i have to admit the electric kit is MUCH easier. I hate to tune my drums and with my electric kit i don't have to do that. Plus i get so much more out of it as far as sounds etc... However, i wouldn't take anything for my Tama kit. As much as i love elec. drums nothing compares to hitting a real drum and real cymbal. Great video Cena!!
Can I say one thing? If you are going to use drum sample libraries, use Steven Slate Drums instead of EZDrummer or Superior Drummer. EZ and Superior are weak in comparison to the Steven Slate library
@Shadow0876 WOW thanks for telling me about Steven Slate. It is WAY cheaper too!! Steven wants $99.00 where Superior Drummer wants $349.00. I will be looking into getting it.
I got the Steven Slate EX deal that had the choice of two expansion packs for $159 but that's download only. The $99 dollar has a physical disc, which I'm sure you'll probably want. Yeah, the sample sets from Steven Slate are freaking amazing.
@Shadow0876 I just went and took a listen to SS's libary. I use SUperior Drmmer, but I also noticed that SS's library doee sound a bit digitized. Also, it lacks some features Sprior Drummer has.
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I think the best compromise is electronic drums with real hi-hat/cymbals. Still easy to record, with a couple of boom mics. I still haven't heard an electronic kit that can replicate hi-hat/cymbals properly.
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Kill0Your0TV 1 day ago
Electronic drums are good its just i prefer the feel of acoustic drums
fcdyrjdxyxfhkxhfkhkh 1 week ago
well done nice video u r 100 percent correct i hav roland definitely the best
nafcnf6 3 weeks ago
Rubbish! I have V-drums (older version - but new ones sound as bad). They are not samples, they're mathematical attempts by Roland at simulating real drum sounds and like guitar amp modeling, they FAIL! Even Omar Hakim sounds boring on V-drums. Samples are at least real sounds but volume switching creates artificiality. If you can't hear how sterile and castrated v-drums sound compared with acoustic, then you're in the wrong job. How about painting instead?
jimj2002 3 weeks ago
I prefer acoustic for control/dynamics/sound its hard to recreate the subtleties... but am switching because I can't play or record my acoustic kit where I live.
Each have their pros and cons, it depends on the individuals circumstances and preferences. Each to his own.
robertfreitag 4 weeks ago
I play DDrum 4 with Roland silent mesh pads. Live they sound as good as it gets. No mics, use real cymbals. More control with electronic, no mic spill. Lower stage volume and killer acoustic sound. I prefer them, easier to run into my JBL EON vs a miced kit. Nice review, well done.
2002drumsonly 1 month ago
You can play acoustic drums when the power goes out so during the Apocalypse you can still rock out
nomadicexplorers 1 month ago
at walmart.com First-Act-Pro-Digital-3D-Drumset
How's this drum? We're cheap and just starting out and this is all we can afford- Is it worth it?
07GirlyGirl07 1 month ago
I just wanna say, that so called ' drummers ' that use electronic drumkits are fake.
Haassan1 1 month ago
@Haassan1 yeah i agree would rather have the eal thing then a toy
corysyourman 1 day ago
People these days. Of course they're real drums :/
KillerNachos101 2 months ago
Dear Cena.
As an starter drummer, just for the love to it, I cannot express my thanks to your video. Finally a guy with experience and ball to put the things right. You had made my life (in the drumming part) much much easier. I had a drumm teacher for 14 lessons (i did not continue) who was teaching on a Roland TD9 with mesh and he has saying all the time that real drums are only acoustic drums. What a moron!
Thank you Cena.
MrLatinDrums 2 months ago
thanks! really helped me..
YLdidadidz 3 months ago
I've tried e-drums time and time again, the best you can buy, and I just cannot get used to them... I don't mind triggered acoustics, its the feel and dynamics of acoustic drums that keeps me with them. The good e-drums can get close but I don't care if I have to spend more. I play to enjoy. If that means expensive, so be it. :)
audossity 3 months ago
Agree! I was fired from a band for using E Drums.They sound great.EZDrummer with Roland drums.We hired an old guitar player and he filled them all with delusions of stardom and hated e drums.And they followed his dumbass!He also knew I wasnt buying his bullshit.But they stabbed me in the back(christians)They have shitty morals! OK,sorry about the rant.But e drums are badass!I played accoustics for 30 yrs.Also,Keyboards must not be real,and guitars through effects must not be real.
semiLivedj 3 months ago
Most of the worlds famous bands use the acoustic drums. And the acoustics sounds like little cheap toys.
mark12130 3 months ago
It's like telling a great guitarist he is fake unless he uses an acoustic guitar. Drummers show their stupidity when they talk this trash. You out of date idiots need to get with the times. Rock on!
YayhooTube 3 months ago
well,i also call e-drums "fake",i explain why...they need pre-recorded sounds,so they're not like an electric guitar or bass,BUT i have to be honest,they're the future.I'm a drummer and many many times when i have to record something in the studio it's very tiring and frustrating having to handle all the mics!Sometimes producers wanted to kill me,and unfortunately i understand their point,time is money!Not to mention that i live in an apartment and certainly i can't practice on an acoustic drum.
Flavioe84 3 months ago
i'm thinking of buying electronic drum...
rosyideen 4 months ago
Thank You. Thank You Very Much. Because there no way in the world as of now I can afford all those mic's and drums. Yes I do want me a DW Acoustic Set. And I will buy one. But for Recording My Album I'm looking at Roland or Pearl Electronic Drums. Been playing acoustic drums for over 30yr's
gatlinproduction 4 months ago
the fact is musicians are going to become obsolete second best to machines ... that means composing too ... anyone who thinks they can tell a difference between an acoustic set played on a record / live between an electric one is kidding themselves and talking out their ass ... I've heard synthesizers play BLUES solos with every articulation pick/leggato run, bend and every other nuance that makes people appreciate "authentic" sounds of a guitar. EXCELLENT video
Akiachrounoumena 4 months ago
yeah, people keeping bagging me and saying "why don't you play real drums?" when i play on my electronic kit, but when i play on an acoustic kit, they are suprised and tell me im good... wtf?
TristXD 5 months ago
If Farrakhan was a drummer!........
twistesceo 6 months ago
he said he's thirty-thirty years old
527199 6 months ago
John Cena,lol
RebelAngel4321 6 months ago
ive played both but i prefer to play acustic... the more money you spend on electic the better they are... but acustic sets feel better and always will.
guitargodthor 6 months ago
Awesome!
This video made me feel better about buying a Roland kit :)
applehelpification 6 months ago
Nice one! What kind of Electric drums you have?
jeffrheman 7 months ago
he sounds like cena
MrToto132 7 months ago
@MrToto132 yeah, thats what i thought the first time i heard his voice.. you kinda talk like cena :)))
cena FTW!!!! :D
btw, very nice vid bro!!
dzoni1990 5 months ago
Electronic kit sucks! I have got one and its piece of shit! On acoustic its much easier to play!
spparkie1 9 months ago
@spparkie1 well, depends if you use money in it or not
Pete9789 8 months ago
@spparkie1 You get what you pay for. A low level kit (which I assume you went for) will never match a high-end kit. The Roland TD-20 must feel incredible.
MrMike0113 7 months ago
@MrMike0113 i think so, but it is so expensive. its expensive as a acoustic custom drumkit
spparkie1 7 months ago
@spparkie1 Which means that, at the point where the prices overlap, it's a matter of choice and personal preference as to which to go for.
MrMike0113 7 months ago
@MrMike0113 what do you think, should i buy a new acoustic set or a better e-drumkit?
spparkie1 7 months ago
@spparkie1 That depends on the circumstances. If you have the room and you don't have to worry about noise, maybe an acoustic kit would be better. However, if either of those are an issue to you, you want a simpler experience (you won't have to worry about tuning, for example) or you'd like a pretty wide range of sounds, then I'd say that an e-kit would probably be better. Again, it depends on the circumstances.
MrMike0113 7 months ago
yeah its easier to record and you do have the convenience of volume control, I always wanted one. my cousin had one and it was nice, but I like the sounds of an acoustic set over an electric set but i get what your saying
zerosk2 9 months ago
many people in the music shop are saying that "acoustic drums are better than electronic drums". But still, i will not buy acoustic drums. i will buy electronic. thank you @CenasCorner
makulayanga1231 9 months ago
@makulayanga1231 You wont buy an acoustic wow
Chipkanobe 7 months ago
great video it inspiered me to buy electric :)
DeadpoolTT 9 months ago
just saying, an acoustic set usually has more flair and pizazz to it than an electric set
MASTERBLASTER118 10 months ago
i have a band and they called my drummer rockband drums and fake drums but thanks to yo we told them of!
21pandarox21 10 months ago
thanks man that really helped i am selling my acoustic drum kit and getting an e kit , just ordered the new Alesis-DM8-Pro-Kit any thoughts on that kit?
DJANAS1 10 months ago
Thanks a lot.
Darkwing74 10 months ago
The audiotranscript is hilarious xD
FProAce 11 months ago
Thank you very much. =)
BrotherKendrick 11 months ago
ok now i want to buy a eletric drum set exactly what do i need i know that i need the eletric drum set but what else do i need please help me thanks
wetnapkin1 11 months ago
Hey man great vid! Ive got a spair bit of money and I was wondering if I should by an electronic kit. Of course I have got a real kit that I play, but im just wondering about when I want to play my drums at night! I have silence pads but to be honest, it makes them sound s**t! So, should I buy an electronic kit to play when the rest of my street has gone to bed or should I just keep my acoustic kit?
joeydestroyer 11 months ago
Hey good video man i use to be just like you swore only to acoustic but I'm getting into electric now its crazy the things we can do with them
bigmanelantz 11 months ago
I use acoustic, I love it! The only thing is that tuning is a pain in the ass and replacing heads every year or so.
nhlhockey25 1 year ago
i'm playing guitar now and i have a new amp of 179,- (europe euro's) and i want to drum but i dont want to disapoint my parents and they say: thats to loud!!! and: we have not enough space!!!!! i think: there is enough!!!!!!!!! a electric drumkit is smaller and you can play with headset so i think maybe i may drum with electric drumkit but thats so much money...... grtz PS good video
LeadGuitarist1999 1 year ago
I have electronic drum kit. Its just a piece of shit.
drummer4lifeskater 1 year ago
Isn't it like saying that Electric guitar is fake too then? I'd like electronic drums, cause I can program them and I got neighburs, and I really don't want to wake their 2 year old son up :)
Digger843ASXM 1 year ago
This really helped me out. Well done. Thank you.
pitbull103 1 year ago
@pitbull103 Glad you enjoyed it and it was helpful. Thanks for watching:)
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner hey what do u reccomend for someone thats on a budget?
AlexTheDrummer110 8 months ago
I am making a home studio and I need a drum kit. Like you said, I don't want to spend a fortune on mics. What electronic drum kit would you recommend for around $900ish? I'm thinking the Alesis DM10 but I don't want to make any quick decisions yet.
TheFiveMinuteWarning 1 year ago
@TheFiveMinuteWarning Alessis DM10 is good and you can also put together a good custom Pintech kit for around that price as well.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
I agree that there are many benefits. I myself feel too much of a difference in the overall feel to use them, especially since I play mostly live music with no amplification. If I had the need for recording purposes, I would certainly reconsider. The disadvantage to me is you can't use brushes on e-drums, which as a jazz player is pretty important. Maybe someday... When e-drum companies can reproduce the sound and feel of brush playing on an acoustic kit, I will be thoroughly impressed.
bucknermr 1 year ago
amen brother. i agree 100 percent with you.
takman 1 year ago
electric drum kits are really good for a bedroom because they are not loud.
you don't get your mama shouting turn it down or turm it of (if your living with your family or someone else)
NiKitHeeMo 1 year ago
You said it: it's simpler and easier. And that's exactly what makes it boring. When I produce something I like a challenge, and you just don't get that with electronic kits, or midi. I don't really think they sound worse than an acoustic kit, but it also depends on the rest of the production. Most electronic kits i've tried sounds very processed, and even a bit TOO high end at times. They're great for some productions, but you talk about acoustic kits like they're obsolete. I beg to differ.
edissortofdead 1 year ago
i think this guy wants to swear so bad.
xbox360thunder 1 year ago
yea like he said the double bass peddle is trigerd now you can make it sound faster!!! and better!!!! so electronic drums are the new thing to make drums easier!
MrSisko191 1 year ago
John Cena IS Nexus. You make a good point about the electronic drums and it must be nice never having to tune the kit. Only thing I don't like about it is when a guy says look at my double bass speed when hes got his shit all triggered up and you know he can't handle that speed without the triggers. Maybe when it comes down to that he might be considered a fake drummer.
dontrickrollme 1 year ago
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maybe electronic drums are better to work with but acustic drums will always sound better
TheGodBlessMyAss 1 year ago
maybe electronic drums are better to work with but acustic drums will always sound better
TheGodBlessMyAss 1 year ago
This is just like comparing an acoustic guitar to an electric one.
Tiduspeco 1 year ago
are electic drums as loud as regular drums
bballer8667 1 year ago
@bballer8667 They can be.
Tiduspeco 1 year ago
(drummer for 2 years) ive had 2 kits. a pearl forum and a alesis dm10 studio, i can say without a doubt. electronic kits are superior, better value, and so much easier to record.
eviljapan666 1 year ago
Shipley, is it possible that you didn't catch up with the latest technology? The days of the "machine gun" e-drums are gone. Of course, you can play crescendos on e-drums. Volume and timbre change with increasing strength, because different samples are used. High-end e-drums also have positional sensing that causes the samples to be changed in response to where the drumhead is hit. Finally, attack modulation and alternating samples make rolls sound very natural.
tk050305cnx 1 year ago
Hey Cena thanks for the response. I will check out the brands you mentioned. Really looking at Pintech. Ok, I'm on the same page as you for the cymbals. How do you feel about a Ion drum/Pintech cymbal combination as a kit over all for an ex pro (Rockband drumming is all I do any more.) that plays the kit as you would an acoustical kit? Maybe a little heavy handed when the intensity gets higher! Anyway thanks for the reviews...I was just having a bad day. Digimortal
Digimortal1622 1 year ago
I'm not insulting drummer or electric kits. I'm making a point about the fundamental logical nature of electric sets. something that is undeniable. They are not real sound producing instruments. They are computers with a playable user interface that emulates what real drums do.
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
@shipleyshipster And as I stated if we were back in the day you would be right, In todays world you are wrong! although it is a computer and what have you, samples are no longer just samples. Go listen to the TD20. Many people are using these in studios and when people listen to them they think it is an acoustic set. Just as @ITookThisDudesName stated below.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner Jesus..... Calm down dude. Not everyone uses the professional stuff. Neither are most people going to spend that much on some set of microphones that, yes, are better but they're not.. how can I say... a nessasary thing. So calm yourself down. By the way, I know YOU wouldn't argue with some like yourself. But I woud anytime. Why? You can't physically nor mentally hurt me. :)
FishyButter 1 year ago
@FishyButter Well you do not know that. I cannot physically hurt you because I CHOOSE not too. You do not know who I know and what information I can get but frankly you or no one else on the net is worth all that. This is where the name Troll comes from because since you feel there is no consequence for what you do, you want to act foolish on the internet. However there is one thing I can do., BLOCK YOU!
CenasCorner 1 year ago
I jus watched a studio update of a band that i thought used acoustic, and sure enough... electronic drums! Roland TD20, amazing kit!
iTookThisDudesName 1 year ago
@iTookThisDudesName Yes maybe the dude who wants to argue with me should check that brain out. The TD20 is an AMAZING brain. And as you found out sounds like a acoustic kit if used right. That is also why it is the most expensive in the Roland line. The other thing is that a lot of drummers are doing electronic conversions. So they use the shell of the acoustic drums but have electronics in them with mesh heads. Sneaky Sneaky:)
CenasCorner 1 year ago
(continue) It's just like instead of electric guitars using pickups, they just had preprogrammed sound effects for every string of every fret. Unplugged, an electric guitar still plays, just quietly. This is why I put keyboards and electric drums into the category of not 'real', same skill to play, but not a 'real' instrument (technically speaking). Also, by definition, electric drums will never sound as real as a real drum set, no matter how you look at it.
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
@shipleyshipster How many bands that you listen to do you think use Electronics in the studio. I am not talking live I am talking recording albums which is what you listen to. How many drummers?
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner First off, I don't see how that related to my comment. Secondly, I'm not bashing electrics sound production or quality, not am I bashing the use of them. I'm trying to make a point here, that no matter how you cut it, the sounds from an electric set are computerized responses as opposed to real produced sound. Its a hard drive of pre-recorded and made sounds from other sets. Technically I could make the same tracks by merely telling the drum brain to play things in an order I choose
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
@shipleyshipster And you can make your point but as someone who uses these things and have been playing this instrument for many years, I have the right to counter or state my point. I think you need to read up on the world of electronic drums before you make such bold statements. Calling someone instrument "Fake" can be found as insulting no matter how you word it. Drummers like myself have spent MANY years on our craft, and electronic or not to call it fake is not fair and a direct (cont)
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner I don't see how it was insulting, though I'm not a drummer, so i can't claim it wasn't. I said I agree that people who play drums are doing just that playing, and that they have just as much skill as anyone else. Now, that aside, it is an incontestable fact that electronic drum sets do not produce real sound, as to the very nature of the argument. So as far as playing goes, same. As far as recording goes its not real sound, although its SOUNDS good.
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
@shipleyshipster insult. My statement was very relavent because many bands uses electronics for drums and many people cannot tell it. Being I am a drummer I can tell you right away an electronic set from an acoustic if I listen carefully because I can hear it. However do not come to my channel or any others and try to make a point if you do not want an answer back. If you disagree with me that is fine, yet I have drummers reading this that would totally disagree with you. you have to accept that
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner No one will disagree with what electronic drum sets are. Which is a computer with preprogrammed audio files that play in accordance with your hitting. Fact is, you can get exactly the same sound playing an electric set as you can if you could just plug your drum brain to a computer and tell it to go "cymbol 1/2 second, tom 1/4 second, snare 5 times" etc.
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
But unlike electric guitars which have magnetic microphones, electric drums (typically) just register the placement and power behind a hit and reproduce a preprogrammed sound effect. Your correct in that they take just as much skill to play, however technically its like playing a computer keyboard, the sounds that it emits aren't real. There is also rarely ever crescendo for electrics (gradual increase and build up).
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
@shipleyshipster Back in the day you would be correct and one of the reason why I would never play electronic drums. However with todays drum modules and what they are doing, that is no longer true. I can crescendo all day long on my kit and this is also evident if you watch a performance of a drummer using todays electronic kits. Electronic drums have come a long way, and is now becoming a very popular choice among all drummers.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner But does your electric set use magnetic or some other type of microphone to pick up the sounds made by the set? Because on an electric guitar or acoustic guitar, that is what's happening. Both can play unplugged just fine and be in tune real instruments. That's one of my main issues with electric drums, YOUR not actually making the sounds, sure your playing, but when you hit the drums its not actually you making sounds, its just a signal being sent to a computer.
shipleyshipster 1 year ago
Dude, Much respect, I've been trying to say this! Niel Pearts drum set has a 12 piece acoustic section, and an 8 piece electronic section. Very epic.
PhilConey1 1 year ago 2
Good points. People who argue that electronic drums are "fake" aren't getting the point. E-Drums have real advantages for practice and recording. I've done some recording with acoustic drums. It can take 6 hours only to get the mikes and the sound right. Besides, e-drum sound generation and trigger technology has improved vastly and is still improving. I tried the Roland TD-12 last month - it's fantastic, I'm going to order one next year.
tk050305cnx 1 year ago
@tk050305cnx now think if the Roland TD12 blew you away, imagine what the TD20 is like. :)
CenasCorner 1 year ago
I recently recorded drums for my band in a studio. We used no triggers and such when doing the recording, but trigger sounds were put on the drum samples on the bass drum after we were done recording because 200BPM 16th notes on bass sounds like shit without it.
Sojk65a 1 year ago
08.18-08.35 , so so true
bingslayer85 1 year ago
$100,000 for 6-8 microphones. You said. I think not :)
FishyButter 1 year ago
@FishyButter Man I would not argue with someone who has been in the industry and who has done recording! I never said all mics I said PRO high standard mics. I guess you would not believe that you can pay $500.00 for one case to hold an acoustic bass drum either huh? Believe me it does I have bought such a case
CenasCorner 1 year ago
Some boring... You should include some demos to compare and make people aware of all what you say, wich I do believe it's true.
vgarate 1 year ago
I prefer acoustic drums because when i used e-drums for recording it picked up all of the ghost notes and acoustic drums can have a wider variety of sounds than a electronic kit
xxbss4lifexx 1 year ago
Triggers can ruin your sound... Mics sound much better IMO.
Niekpas 1 year ago
Cena, I couldn't agree with you more, if roland made cymbals out of metal with some sort of silence mechanism inside, and made the pads look more like accoustic, most drummers would only use electric, they are amazing(especially roland) everytime you want to do a drum cover, you don't have to say "hmm, i need a thinner drum head for this...", electric kits, you just have to assign a new sound, they are also compact and just very advanced.
voltronthegreat 1 year ago
@voltronthegreat do you recommend Roland over the others?
zeropm1 1 year ago
@Digimortal1622 I apologize for the angry post. Ive been playing an acoustic Ludwig set for years (mid '70's). I haven't played in 4 or 5 years, and through your videos I got turned on to Rock Band and bought an Ion Drum Rocker. Though it is a big improvement over the pack in drum kit, it has been frustrating for me at times, hence the sour post. To me, the biggest short coming is the Waayy too many dropped hits. I've tried many "fixes" but it seems the Ion cymbals will have
Digimortal1622 1 year ago
I apologize for the angry post. Ive been playing an acoustic Ludwig set for years (mid '70's). I haven't played in 4 or 5 years, and through your videos I got turned on to Rock Band and bought an Ion Drum Rocker. Though it is a big improvement over the pack in drum kit, it has been frustrating for me at times, hence the sour post. To me, the biggest short coming is the Waayy too many dropped hits. I've tried many "fixes" but it seems the Ion cymbals will have to be replaced
Digimortal1622 1 year ago
@Digimortal1622 Well honestly that is because the Ion cymbals suck and if you are serious about an electronic kit to use for pro purposes, the Ion will not be it. Sure it is a great kit for RB and for just practice, but not for the purpose you are wanting it for. I would look into Pintech,Roland or Yamaha. I think you will find those better suited if you want to replace or add onto an acoustic kit.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
now i know why def leopards drummer has a good drum snare when i listen to def leopards cds
monkeyfrogs106 1 year ago
lets see Neil Peart uses a mix of acoustic and e drums and hes no fake Cena makes very valid points about cost to those who say playing e-drums is a drummer playing fake drums well they just dont have a clue and probaly their only contact with any band or concert or recording experience is listening to the crap 128KB mp3 they stole off limewire
e-drummers fake yeah right I hit you with this drum stick I betcha I put your eye out
Kineticartist 1 year ago
When's the next edition of this? Been looking forward to it for a little while now
cweaver8518 1 year ago
Hey Cena! All though out of the subject, did hear about the Ion Drum Rocker Pro? Well, if you didn't, then check out ionaudio.com and tell Ryan about it!
xIVIURDERx 1 year ago
if i ever get the money for it, i want an acoustic kit. however, i'd probably get an electronic kit because of sound adjusting without having to buy dampeners. since i'm only 17, i live with my family so drumming acoustically without dampeners would make too much sound. i would like an acoustic set eventually though. does the electronic stuff in the acoustic set pick up different sounds when you hit the drums in different places? cause it isn't the same if you hit it other places right?
saaaammm 1 year ago
wait, is that a turntable in the background? anyways awesome video Cena, is the alesis DM6 a good for drumming beginners? Thanks! :)
Natloe1 1 year ago
ps. i'd really like to see some hank williams sr. in the game. or atleast a track pack.
jynxsxe 1 year ago
i commented while this video was loading, and electronic drumsets are real, they are legit, and i've been to shows with a guy playing an electronic drum set. they're real, they're legit. so anyone that says otherwise, reply to me. i'll set you straight. i actually play drums, and they're real. i love my band, and yes i play acoustic drums, but electronic drums don't let you cheat in anyway, they're a legit drum set. so yeah! screw you. they're real!
jynxsxe 1 year ago
i prefer my acoustic set....it's real, and lively, and i love it. i have a tama set, and it's the greatest thing i've ever bought. all 1300 dollars worth. lol that's with hardware and cymbals, and a thrown. so with everything to play today i paid 1300. not too bad. haha i like it so much. with my band going, i wouldn't have it another way.
jynxsxe 1 year ago
I think as long as it looks like an Acoustic kit I'm fine. Really, I just don't like the look of Total electronic drums (Rock band and Guitar Hero style). Don't get me wrong these types of drums are best for gaming because of learning purposes but as long as a drummer is using what looks like an actual kit I'm good.
Sakiigone 1 year ago
I have played on both kits and yes the electric kits are better for recording purposes and there are electric triggers but in certain situations both drum kit types have drum talking.
ExpertMusician 1 year ago
thanks
ericfilmsproduction 1 year ago
The thing from the Twitter photo! :P ahah
One big factor to make me favour E-drums is that i live in a house with walls that carry every single noise to all the neighbours :O
And even then my mum n dad will think it will be too loud for me to get ones :(
Maybe once i learn how to play properly they will let me get a E-drum set :P
weecoulter 1 year ago
I always wondered how the sound could travel ALL throughout the place the band is playing at.
itzme10 1 year ago
i recorded an ep last december, and the way i recorded was with my acoustic ddrum, after the producer had my take of a song, it was compressed and mixed through protools and it sounded perfect, a difference that electronic has when recording is unless you have a top of the line set, you arent going to be able to get accents and a more realistic feel when the final mix comes out. he gave me an in depth reason to why he would rather use an acoustic set, technology is just so advanced its unreal
awkwardh1ppo 1 year ago
i use both i play a acoustic gresch and an electric alesis
Iondrummer76 1 year ago
I totally agree with you Cena, I'm sitting right next to my brand new TD-4 now :D
ESGamesCenter 1 year ago
is it true that the fender stratocaster guitar for rock band 3 is going to be $300.
ericfilmsproduction 1 year ago
@ericfilmsproduction I have no clue. Someone told me on Twitter that they pre ordered it for $150.00. I have seen no pricing yet from the source
CenasCorner 1 year ago
Nice video, David. Gave me a lot of information i did not know about :)
PMSPandaa 1 year ago
Not totally true. I've seen so many electronic drummers that have gotten so many awesome comments.
But electric vs acoustic. I'd rather choose acoustics, they are more organic than electric drums. With electric drum kits, unless you buy a higher crust drum kit, it's not going to sound as great as an acoustic. But then again, the drummer makes the drums. My little brother loves acoustic, but he prefers electric because it's smaller and more suited for quiet practice.
XAlphaZEROX 1 year ago
@XAlphaZEROX I did not say evey video got it. However I have spent the last week doing nothing but watching drum covers and looking at comments. Trust me they are there.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
Do you realize you said you could spend $100,000 on microphones? You said 100 grand. Just thought i would point that out lol.
MrBrodo789 1 year ago
@MrBrodo789 Yeah I know because I said if you do it right. I did not say all mics would cost that, but when you get into recording and live stage shows and such, it is possible to reach that number. I have seen it happen.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@MrBrodo789 Yep, and he's not lying either. Give or take a few grand, if you wanted to buy quality mics, you also have to buy cables, stands, preamps, etc. Professional studios will not mount their mics on your drums, muchless will they not buy cheap gear either. They also mic each cymbal individually, plus overheads, lus ambience (room, natural reverb, etc). It adds up quick.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
Hey Cena what's good dude? If you're going to do lessons, could you show how to drum fast like ibiteprettyhard?
richyrich55 1 year ago
@richyrich55 Practice makes the master !!!
kabutomx 1 year ago
@richyrich55 Like kabutomx said you have to practice. That is something that really cannot be taught. As you practice and get use to separating your 4 limbs and learning the proper techniques, speed will come:)
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@richyrich55 I wouldn't consider "playing fast" a lesson. kabutomx has the right idea Speed comes along with practice, not learning.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
I play acoustic, and I HAVE Played electric, I PREFER Acoustic, I will play an electric if I have to, or want to, but I think that nothing like is quite as authentic as an acoustic, especially considering that most electric kits have at least a little lag between hitting the pad, and the sound coming out.
My school has multiple roland kits, which I've played.
also, Shannon Lucas, Black Dahlia Murder's drummer, uses kick triggers.
and Cena, what bands have you played in? it'd be interesting to no
RVBDeathbot 1 year ago
@RVBDeathbot
Absolutely NO lag on my roland. You can adjust everything on a decent drum brain.
venger 1 year ago
If you can make and mix different sounds then it's a instrument no on can deny this simple fact.
0139706 1 year ago
i hate drum triggers. i hate the synthetic sound of them. nothing beats the sound of a well tuned, micced, and EQed acoustic kit. using triggers is taking the easy way out if you ask me.
chaveznieves 1 year ago
@chaveznieves I guess you should stop listening to music with drums in it then, because like I said more drummers you listen to right now uses triggers. Also that is also the misconception. In the 80's and 90's I would agree with you. However the drum brain I own and the ones on the market now, you cannot tell a huge difference i you know what you are doing.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner
i know the details of the live and studio rigs of the drummers of the bands that i listen to. they don't use triggers. sorry
chaveznieves 1 year ago
@chaveznieves You are open to your opinion but take it from someone that has been doing this his whole life. We do not always tell the public everything! I use to list my equipment to, and if I had a drum that had a trigger to you think I said something like I have a tama rock star kit with 10' toms and yeah I use this trigger? OH NO!! You may know or think you know what they do live, but you do not know the tricks of the studio unless you have lived it!
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner
trust me. i know. i don't have to go into details on how or why i know this. but i do know.
chaveznieves 1 year ago
@CenasCorner and that doesn't mean i can't listen to things with drum triggers. i just don't have to like how the drummers choose to play. i didn't say its wrong. i just don't like it. and it doesnt make the rest of the music bad.
chaveznieves 1 year ago
@chaveznieves hey bro, I would like to point out that the acoustic sound you hear in studios, in 99% cases, is triggered. The ordeal is, the trigger is not routed to an electronic drum module. Instead, it's routed to a MIDI application that triggers his acoustic mic'ed sample instead of a digital sample. This is mainly done for post-mixing and mastering.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
@DWRhythm 99% yes. 1 percent otherwise
chaveznieves 1 year ago
@chaveznieves Yeah the easy way out. Care to give me $100,000 dollars to mic an acoustic kit properly like it would be in a studio?
I also bet that you couldn't tell the difference between a miced acoustic drum and an electronic kit with a good brain, not some cheap $100 brain.
venger 1 year ago
@venger yeah i can. look. i have my opinion. there's nothing wrong with stating it. if you don't like it thats not my problem. nor do i care. and i've also stated that i don't think its necessarily wrong to use electronics, i just don't care for it
chaveznieves 1 year ago
rock band had helped me learn my way around a kit, and i was wondering
Is the alesis DM6 very good for recording beats using a USB connection?
gguueeyy 1 year ago
@gguueeyy I do not know about any other program, but I know it works very well in Garage Band. Garage band is the all in one solution if you have a mac. You need nothing extra and you can use either all the sounds from Garage band or from the DM6. Just plug it in the USB and it recognizes it as a midi controller and instrument. I am sure it will work with other programs but again I do not know how well.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner You DO need to make sure youhave an ASIO audio nterface or youwill be faced with lag
DWRhythm 1 year ago
@DWRhythm Yeah saw one at Guitar Center today for $99.99. A person at Apple who is a "Garage Band Expert" Says I do not need one as it is set up for plug and play and all that. However I do not know if I believe him or not.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner I'd, personally, be skeptical. Especially if you're triggering via Midi. Only way to tell is trial and error, my friend. If you need any help, give me a shout,I'd be happy to help you set it all up.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
@DWRhythm I am that is why I am going to pick that one up. It also comes with a software I think it was called Cube or something of that nature.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner Okay, that'd be Cubase. They are good hosting softare for recording as well.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
Theres nothing better then the sound of Acoustic drums. But electronic drums are awesome too. they have advantages but Acoustic Drums win
Thebrownelementsk8er 1 year ago
Another excellent soap box, sir!!! It's probably safe to assume that the majority of those who like flame electro drums are probably not real drummers either. With all the technology we have today it just seems more efficient to go electronic. However electro drums can never replace pure skill (to echo your point). Me having banging away on my plastic RB drums for over a year now have developed a desire for me to learn the real skill of drumming. All from a silly lil video game. Good info Cena!
nuggz503 1 year ago
I love my acoustic kit. You love your e-kit. Who cares what kind of drums they are? People are acting like babies about nothing. But I wish sometimes I had an e-kit because I want to take some with me to my dorm. Drums are drums. I don't care what kind of kit it is. As long as it does what I want it to, I don't care. Drums are drums.
batd 1 year ago
Very nice video David.
I'll give you another example of why electronic drums would be better in certain situations.
I have a friend that use to play guitar in a band (I actually use to run sound for them) and he told me that he thinks he has permanent ear damage now because of the natural sound that the drums made and has stated on several occasions that he wished that more people would use electronic drum kits for that very reason.
djwhetzel 1 year ago
Software exists that will automatically replace the drummer's live performance with samples, like Drumagog. This is another way that electronics are being incorporated into music without most consumers being aware of it.
mikehrzgle 1 year ago
I not a expert but if I want to start play drum and my home is not the biggest in town. Electronic is problely better.
TheBigjeqc 1 year ago
Drums are drums to me. It doesn't matter if it's Elec. or Acustic. I have both, a Tama acustic kit and a Roland TD-12 and i have to admit the electric kit is MUCH easier. I hate to tune my drums and with my electric kit i don't have to do that. Plus i get so much more out of it as far as sounds etc... However, i wouldn't take anything for my Tama kit. As much as i love elec. drums nothing compares to hitting a real drum and real cymbal. Great video Cena!!
jjbb20 1 year ago
Can I say one thing? If you are going to use drum sample libraries, use Steven Slate Drums instead of EZDrummer or Superior Drummer. EZ and Superior are weak in comparison to the Steven Slate library
Shadow0876 1 year ago
@Shadow0876 WOW thanks for telling me about Steven Slate. It is WAY cheaper too!! Steven wants $99.00 where Superior Drummer wants $349.00. I will be looking into getting it.
CenasCorner 1 year ago
@CenasCorner
I got the Steven Slate EX deal that had the choice of two expansion packs for $159 but that's download only. The $99 dollar has a physical disc, which I'm sure you'll probably want. Yeah, the sample sets from Steven Slate are freaking amazing.
Shadow0876 1 year ago
@Shadow0876 I just went and took a listen to SS's libary. I use SUperior Drmmer, but I also noticed that SS's library doee sound a bit digitized. Also, it lacks some features Sprior Drummer has.
DWRhythm 1 year ago
@CenasCorner You might also want to check out BFD Eco. It's about $99 to $149.
mikehrzgle 1 year ago