Peter Jennings', "The Search for Jesus" - Pt 1

[Famespeare]

This video does not inspire any confidence in the subject. The Interlocutors have no legitimate credentials; a deacon and a reader. If they were Ph.D.s they would have announced it, but they didn't. There is no serious dialectic here addressing the real issues . . . just a lot of piety, tradition, and dogmatics. Of course this is what the church offers: belief, not evidence and reason.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Famespeare You have attacked the messengers. We invite you to respond to the message. Whether or not anyone (including you yourself) has a Ph.D is quite irrelevant.

[Famespeare]

@GreekOrthodoxTV No I have not. I have suggested that these men do not possess the proper credentials to be taken seriously. If you had wanted this video production to have gravitas and be taken seriously, you would have an Orthodox bishop and a couple Ph.D. professors from a seminary on it. Educational attainment is NOT irrelevant . . . except in the minds of people who hold education in contempt.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Famespeare We do not hold education in contempt. You assume this based on the fact that we do not wave diplomas around. Speak to the issue at hand and leave the curriculum vitae aside.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@astrofrk We are sorry you were abused as a child, and we pray your wound may heal, as much as that is possible. We are deeply grieved that you suffered at the hands of a pastor. We can only hope and pray that you do not reject the Church because of a bad pastor, just as you would not reject medicine because of a bad doctor.

[lovergal1984]

There is no archeological proof Jesus ever existing. From 2nd century b.c only Europeans wrote about Jesus. But from the old testament Egyptians, Hebrews were dark colored. All were made up stories. If I didn't have a television to occupy my time I would become a great story teller to. Mankind knows Jesus never existed. No one is born with supernatural abilities. U train yourselves to believe in a supreme being when we need to face truth and reality.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@lovergal1984 Actually, there is quite an abundance of archeological, manuscript, and varied historical evidence that Jesus did in fact exist, that He was crucified, and that on the third day He resurrected Himself bodily. We question whether you even watched the entire program. We invite you to do so. We also suggest a primer that can be found in any Barnes & Noble book store: "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel.

[lovergal1984]

@GreekOrthodoxTV There are no writings frm jesus himself.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@lovergal1984: That is correct. Your point being...?

[lovergal1984]

@GreekOrthodoxTV If I proclaim myself to be this great man of god, I would document actual events to let the world know, it is "I" that has come to save man so ye shall have eternal life but notice in the "NT" books according to matthew, luke, john and ect.. there wrinting in 3rd person as if it were 1st person narrative. All were born after the death of jesus meaning none has the same exact story. One may write he rose from the dead, another may write god took his body. "Insuffient evidence".

[Famespeare]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Truthfully there is not any archaeological, or historical evidence. Even the earliest manuscripts only date to the late 2nd or early 3rd century. Gospel manuscripts are not historical proof. The Pauline letters indicate that Paul knew nothing about the historical Jesus. Prominent writers from the time of Jesus have nothing to say about the preacher from Nazareth. the brief excerpts attributed to Josephus are late interpolations. There is no evidence.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Famespeare Actually, there is quite an abundance of archeological, manuscript, and varied historical evidence that Jesus did in fact exist, that He was crucified, and that on the third day He resurrected Himself bodily. We question whether you even watched the entire program. We invite you to do so. We also suggest a 'primer' that can be found in any Barnes & Noble book store: "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel.

[Famespeare]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Of archaeological evidence, there exists only one epigraphic example of the name Pontius Pilate (in Caesarea), apart from that there is nothing. There is evidence of Christian communities by early 3rd century. There are no manuscripts that are unanimously agreed to be older than early 3rd century, there are just a couple that are generally thought to be late 2nd century.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Famespeare The Temple was the focal point of the Jewish religion, the place where God dwelt, and the only place the sacrifices for sin could be performed. Not recording this major event is like a historian writing on the history of New York City and never mentioning the 9/11 disaster on September 11, 01. Why is it that the gospel writers do not record the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy? The most plausible reason for this is that it had not occurred during the writing of the gospels.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Famespeare In 1961 Italian archaeologist A.Frova uncovered a plaque that was used as a section of steps leading to the Caesarea Theater. The inscription, in Latin, contained the phrase, "Pontius Pilatus, Prefect of Judea has dedicated to the people of Caesarea a temple in honor of Tiberius." This temple is dedicated to the Emperor Tiberius who reigned from 14-37AD The finding fits chronologically with the New Testament which records that Pilot ruled as procurator from 26-36AD

[Strefanasha]

To equate destructive higher criticism with protetantism is irrational.

I agree with thense speakers about the bankruptcy of western liberal scholarship, but completely reject the overly sanguine view of the church they use to bolster this.

the church? who is the church that they make their grandiose claims? the history of the church shows them hypocrites and heretics.

Christ is my saviour , not some church

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Strefanasha: The Church is the Body of Christ, and as an institution founded by Christ through the Holy Apostles it survives today as the Orthodox Church.

[Strefanasha]

@GreekOrthodoxTV the body of christ is a metaphor for unity in diversity, for the harmony of christians of different gifts and ministries.

to take the metaphor literally as has been done here is pure idolatry. it is to try to equate the church with christ

the chuch is an institution? NOWHERE in scripture is this so. neither is it equal with the Orthodox church or any other, one true churchism, as I call it, is pure idolatry

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Strefanasha: The Church is NOT a metaphor, image, nor symbol any more than Christ is or the Resurrection, or any miracle or God Himself.

People who don't even look up the concept in Wikipedia, which is anything BUT an Orthodox Church source, who shoot off their emails out of total ignorance of Scripture, the Fathers, the Saints, & how only the Orthodox Church is qualified to claim to be the Body of Christ, really should be totally embarrassed to note:

wikipedia > Body_of_Christ

[astrofrk]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Where in the Bible does Jesus tell you to go to church? Jesus told us to BE the church.

The church is within, not a man made institution. In fact, where in the bible are priests/pastors mentioned? We are ALL to be clergy, Jesus had no favor of class be it financial or religious. Read on what he thought of his own Jewish institution of his time. Were they not the ones that wanted him dead? I'm a Gnostic Christian, I get tired of churches making me look bad.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@astrofrk The earliest organization of the Christian churches in Palestine was similar to that of Jewish synagogues, who were governed by a council of elders (presbyters). In Acts 11:30 and 15:22, we see this collegiate system of government in Jerusalem, and in Acts 14:23, the Apostle Paul ordains elders in the churches he founded. Initially, these presbyters were apparently identical with the overseers, as such passages as Acts 20:17 and Titus 1:5,7 indicate, and the terms were interchangeable.

[astrofrk]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Yes, there were elders but these were the most knowledgable christians. It was not an official title in most gatherings. It was later writtren in as such and you must realise that Acts was written after Paul died, so he may not have written it. You could be right and I will have to do more research. If I had to listen to a pastor, I would renounce Christianity. A pastor fondled me when I was a child and I refuse to recognise them as a moral guide. What would you do?

[MrCrissman1971]

I found part 3 but there seems to be no more. Can you help? Do you have the others?

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear Mr. MrCrissman, All three parts can be found here:

youtube.com/user/GreekOrthodox­TV#p/c/590B5A390BF3E506/2/h0jn­rHCKUko

Thank you for your interest.

Isidore Mercator - Director

[MrCrissman1971]

@GreekOrthodoxTV is there more after part 3? It was very good!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear Mr. Crissman, No, there are no more sections to the Peter Jennings program. But if you are interested in the Jennings program you may also be interested in this one: youtube.com/user/GreekOrthodox­TV#p/c/473383C384EFE1EB/0/ZzYb­tq7KahE

[nietzschescode]

thanks for uploading!! much more interesting then fundi christians stuff!!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@nietzschescode You're very welcome!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@nietzschescode "thanks for uploading!! much more interesting then fundi christians stuff!!" Thank you for commenting.:-)

[rickbangkok]

This video is not titled honestly. How holy of you.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@rickbangkok

Dear Rick, while your commenting was appreciated, your sarcasm was not.

Regarding your comment, what title would you consider to be an honest one for the program in question? And what do you find not to be honest about the title we chose?

[1integrity]

Peter Jennings messed up royally before going to meet The God of gods and having to be eternally sorrowful for his work on earth! One problem with this video. As an Orthodox Christian, it is unnecessary to libel Bible believing protestants with the same label as the liberal factions, because from the beginning, John Calvin/Martin Luther strongly resisted the anabaptist tendencies in some who tried to call themselves as part of the reformers! Humanism fails to grasp The Living Jesus & The Church!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@1integrity

Dear 1integrity,

Thank you for your comment. Your point is well taken!

[Xenophile665]

@1integrity The reason Humanism fails to grasp the living Jesus is simple: There is no rational evidence that Jesus is currently living. Most Humanists rely on rational evidence. Without it, such a concept cannot be grasped.

Freedom thru Truth, Xeno

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@Xenophile665

Thank you, Xenophile665. We agree with your very rational opinion! ;-)

[kiaganga]

jesus was laid to rest in kashmir by  bro's he met on his travels in his 20''s

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@kiaganga

That assertion has absolutely no evidence to support it. We are so very sorry to see someone wasting valuable time and energy pursuing such an absurd notion. Your efforts would be more fruitful if applied elsewhere, but we thank you for watching and commenting. Most people do not make the effort to comment, so we thank you for that.

[holypsychopath]

@kiaganga that's just stupid

[stylite39]

This is pure gold. Thank God for Christ and His messengers!

[GeoliphicMedia]

rubbish means garbage

[pzirm]

RUBBISH!

[Hosea22]

???

[TheNextTurn]

A debate where everyone agrees how boring

[GreekOrthodoxy]

Good books refuting Jennings' presentation, are "History and Christianity," by Montgomery; "The New Testament Documents: are they Reliable," by F.F, Bruce; "The Historical Reliability of the Gospels," by Blomberg, and "The Historical Jesus," by Habermas.

[blueguitarblue]

@GreekOrthodoxy Thank you brother for posting something of a spiritual nature on YouTube amidst a-moral, racist and sexist garbage. Lets not forget the arrogant aetheists. Aethists espouse that Christians are out-of-touch; and, that we lack the ability to think "critically." I graduated from a university. It's false to project that the results of critical thinking are a belief in evolution and realization that spiritual faith is old fashioned. Everything I learn leads me back to the Creator.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear blueguitarblue, we appreciate your comments. Thank you for your viewership.

[blueguitarblue]

@GreekOrthodoxTV We must support our faith and those of fellow followers. The elite and their political, religious, and commercial puppets are hard working at minimizing Christ and The Bible. The hatred and insults I receive when I mention God or His Word is evidence of the battle between the spiritual and physical. We must remember it's Him they despise. Let them have their NWO and watered-down Jesus Christ Superstar. Critics of the Bible will never grasp truth until they search in humility.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@blueguitarblue: We thank you for your comment and viewership. :-)

[GreekOrthodoxy]

The man from the Russian church needs to read "The Historical Reliability of the Gospels," by Craig Blomberg.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear GreekOrthodox,

Are you an Orthodox Christian, as your title implies? If so, do you not believe in the historicity of the New Testament? Do you not in fact believe the central event of the Gospels, the Resurrection of Christ to be historical fact?

[Apologist325]

That was my old account. Of course I believe in the historicity of the New Testament. That's why I recommended that book and the other books.

[leontas2]

Question about the opening piece by Ioannes Arvanites: Which CD is it from?