NORAD Ordered to Stand Down on 9/11 by Dick Cheney

[pcspecialistpdx]

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[Chidanandaji]

Google "My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism" for the links, documentaries, interviews and research indicating that the September 11th World Trade Center project was a 'controlled demolition' orchestrated by the US Administration to justify war on the Middle Eastern oil-bearing nations. "Demonizing" the Mid-East Muslims has served its purpose to garner support for these illegal wars....to dominate Eurasia...wars pushed forward by the global 'power-elite' who control Western gov'ts

[bluelibra65]

i love when Peter Jennings spells NORAD for us, -

"just in case none of you fat, bloated, lazy-minded, sports-loving americans don't know what it stands for -- and he's SO condescending, - ala Al Fucking Gore...

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "Those orders must have been "stand down"

As usual, some third-world moron has no clue what's going on here.

The plane they were referring to was Flt 93, which actually crashed in PA. They were speculating on its PRESUMED location based on last known transponder hit and location. It had nothing to do with Flt 77, which actually hit the Pentagon but was not located until minutes before the strike, as it passed the Dulles airport tower.

You obviously know nothing about this.



[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret I have retracted that statement, and am now convinced those orders were 'shoot down' orders, and eleven minutes after they were given flight 93 was shot down, as reported by eye witnesses known to the Shanksville Mayor.

I have supplied the links to the statements and Timeline of Flight 93 in my website. You'll need to scroll down past the halfway mark of the compilation titled:

My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism

just google that title

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "eleven minutes after they were given flight 93 was shot down"

And still you give NO EVIDENCE to back up that ludicrous claim.

Your only answer is "Search through scores of loony websites I've listed on my webpage"

If you can't answer the question, admit it. I've seen all of those bullshit websites before, and they're just as lame as ever -- like that phony list of "demolition experts." Are you really dumb enough to buy Ventura, Torin Wolf and Tom Sullivan?

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret Regarding demolition experts, I noted that you left out the most important fellow:

Danny Jowenko: Owner of a Dutch controlled demolition company, over 30 years of demolition experience

I quoted the flight 93 and flight 77 timeline as reported by Paul Thompson.

The verbal interaction with Cheney about the approaching air threat took place 7 to 11 minutes before mainstream press and local witnesses reported the crash...and 14 minutes after the Pentagon was hit.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "Danny Jowenko"

You neglect to mention that he is the ONLY demo expert on that laughable list. Wolf and Sullivan were laughed off of even the Truthie websites long ago, but of course you haven't a clue, have you?

Jowenko said that the twin towers (WTC 1 & 2) were definitely NOT demo, so I assume you agree with him on that, too?

So why do you pimp lists of people who obviously have ZERO experience with any kind of controlled demo?

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret But why would you ignore that Jowenko stated that WTC was a controlled demolition? Those of us who do the research are looking for the clues. I don't have the answers. I simply supplied the links which substantiate the claim that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition....which indicates a cover-up by NIST and Washington.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "Jowenko stated that WTC was a controlled demolition?"

Bullshit. Jowenko said that WTC 7 was a controlled demo, but clearly the twin towers were NOT a demo. Not that Jowenko could tell shit from that video of WTC7 anyway, which is why he's been hiding from his embarrassing statement for ten years now.

You supplied bullshit links which prove nothing. There are no demolition professionals ANYWHERE who have stated that WTC 1 & 2 were a demo -- exactly the opposite.

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt I, as someone who is searching, and does not have all the answers, have found many scientists who discuss the presence of incendiary material in the dust...and have found a Demolition expert who stated that WTC seven was a controlled demolition. The cover-up has been exposed. That is enough. And Spook, Jowenko died in a car crash.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "many scientists who discuss the presence of incendiary material in the dust"

And you believe that nonsense just because you WANT to, since none of those phony "scientists" has the balls to publish that crap in a real scientific journal.

Ten years, they've published nothing -- which should, to any intelligent man, be a real indicator that they are blowing smoke.

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt Danny Jowenko said that WTC 7 was a controlled demo.......He owned his own demo oufit for 30 years. That is enough for those who smelled something fishy from day one.

As far as "Hiding" goes...

Jowenko was killed in a car accident. As usual, when someone like yourself wants to overlook the pieces of evidenc that do indicate White House and NORAD cover-up, they resort to name-calling and swearing. Your words are in print.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "Jowenko was killed in a car accident"

Maybe those evil Illuminati plotters got to him, after ten years.

Jowenko also said that WTC 1 & 2 were clearly NOT a demo. So naturally you agree with this, too?

Or are you rather selective about when he's an expert and when he's not?

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "Danny Jowenko"

So you agree with him that WTC 7 was a demo, but that the twin towers were obviously NOT a demo?

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret If you wish to continue using your disrespectful language then I will no longer consider responding. If you think you can dialogue without verbal put-downs such as 'dumb enough' or 'loony websites' , then I will continue to respond.

Even the NIST report was shown to be a cover up by specific reported statements...which I have referrenced

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "disrespectful language then I will no longer consider responding"

Nobody gives a shit, since you deserve no respect at all.

The only answer you have is "look at my website," which is just a regurgitation of scores of lame websites we've all seen before. You add NOTHING to the discussion, because you know nothing about 9-11 and don't have the guts to actually answer a question yourself.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji

When are you going to explain why you think Cheney was in charge of NORAD on 9-11?

He wasn't, obviously.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "verbal put-downs such as 'dumb enough' or 'loony websites' "

Maybe if you didn't use idiotic "sources" you'd get more respect.

that list of "demolition experts" is so laughable that most of the Truther websites won't list it anymore.

Torin Wolf ,.. Sullivan ... Jesse Ventura -- now that's a real laugh.

Why not read what Implosion World published on the subject, if you want to see what REAL professional demolition people say?

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt Now you are giving the same verbal response as BlazingFerret. When you are given a credible source that differs with your own Washington rubber-stamped version of events....then you cry, and swear, name-call, and attempt to humiliate. Good luck, because it only shows your own true colors.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "swear, name-call, and attempt to humiliate"

When you give a completely BULLSHIT list of supposed demolition experts, what do you expect?

When you pull it out of your ass like that, you can expect to get it shoved right back up there.

You still stand by that list?

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret This little interview with Mineta and the timeline, indicate both flights were being tracked by radar.

But two questions I have,

1) Why was Cheney giving the orders?

2) Because the timeline indicates both flights were being tracked by radar, and flight 93 was shot down....Why was the alleged flight 77 not shot down also. The timelines indicate that Flight 77 was being tracked and is verified by Mineta's testimony.  There are many timelines to estimate from

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "Why was Cheney giving the orders?"

The only order he gave was to shoot down an approaching plane (which was NOT Flt 77 anyway), though no interceptor got close enough.

That order has to come from the Pres or VP, unless they are out of the loop; then it goes to SecDef.

Who else would you expect to make that decision -- some jet-jockey?

Show me a timeline that says these flights were tracked on radar, since NORAD tapes show otherwise.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "the most secured air-space on the planet."

Once more, you display amazing ignorance.

The airspace over the Pentagon had NEVER been restricted before 9-11. Jesus fucking Christ, you idiot -- there is a huge commercial airport right next door to the Pentagon, and planes fly right over the bldg all day, to land on Runway 19. Google up a damned map, you asshole, and see where runway 19 points at.

Truthie Cult idiots are the most ignorant fools on earth.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret Again., you revert to insults and disrespectful put-downs. If you 'read' what I stated you would find that I never stated that the airspace was "restricted" as you put it.

I stated the airspace is the most 'secured' airspace . Billions are spent yearly for this NORAD air security.

Your swearing and insults only show your lack of sincerity to dialogue. Your goal seems only to marginalize others and 'shut-down' the debate. Many of us are not swayed by such forms of 'verbal abuse'.



[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "you revert to insults and disrespectful put-downs"

No one has any respect for you because you're an idiot.

The airspace over the Pentagon was protected no differently than the airspace over Butte, Montana. How do you get "most secured air-space on the planet" out of this, especially since it wasn't NORAD's job to even monitor that airspace or keep track of civilian flights.

You just make shit up, and look dumber with each post.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret However, this interview with Norman Mineta show that the approaching air threat was being monitored. so the question is, "why wasn't it shot down, if that monitored air threat was the alleged flight 77 approaching the Pentagon being spoken of in the interview?" And if this 'air threat' was in referrence to flight 93 , it would explain why it was shot down over Shanksville as it entered 'an outer perimeter' of Washington's airspace So which one is it?

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "approaching air threat was being monitored"

No, it wasn't. You just refuse to listen when it's explained to you. Why do you think the hijackers turned off the transponders?

Go read the NORAD transcripts.

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt I just heard the testimony of Mineta. How could Cheney have been notified three times about the approaching air threat, if it wasn't being monitored? There are many transcripts, timelines and news articles along with the 9/11 commission report which give varying versions. I am going by Paul Thompson's timeline, FromTheWilderness timeline, and HistoryCommonsdot org timelines....and this interview with Mineta who was in the room at the time.

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "There are many transcripts, timelines and news articles"

And there is no dispute at all over the critical issues -- when NORAD was notified of each plane, and where the interceptors were when they were scrambled (which was pretty damned fast after notification).

NORAD was not notified about Flt 77 until AFTER it hit the Pentagon, if I recall correctly.

Show us ANY report that indicates FAA or NORAD knew the location of Flt 77 before it was seen at Dulles.

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt This very interview with Mineta, states that Cheney was being notified of the approaching air threat. Thus, the air threats were being monitored by radar, despite transponders being turned off. NORAD isn;'t the only timeline to source. If NORAD was involved in a cover-up , then why would we rely only on their published transcripts, any more than rely on the 9/11 commission's (cover-up) report.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret I have based my assumption on the mega billion dollar expenditures to maintain the NORAD defense system and supporting air force bases, command centers, and computerized technology and staff. Please share what airspace on the planet you feel is more secure and exceeds such expenditures and technology ....I have only made an assumption.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "Please share what airspace on the planet you feel is more secure"

Any Middle Eastern country, China, Russia, and plenty of others where EVERY internal flight is monitored by the military, and where the number of interceptors per sq mile is far higher than ours.

The US has tens of thousands of private planes with virtually no oversight on them, and zero control over who owns them. Try that in Syria or Iran, Russia, etc.

NORAD only monitored INCOMING planes.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret Thanks for that. So I was not correct in stating that Washington/Pentagon is the most protected airspace on the planet.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "otherwise the approaching hijacked plane would have been taken out at the 50 mile, 30 mile or 10 mile point"

Taken out by WHAT????

Check the location of interceptors. There were none anywhere near enough at any of those points.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret

Besides Cheney having taken unprecedented command of NORAD in June of 2001...you would have to ask him why there were no interceptors anywhere near those points.

I recommend this youtube video titled: "Economic Hitmen" Please place that in your youtube search engine. John Perkins fills in the blanks in that brief two-minute cartoon explanation of 'How the world works, and who pulls the strings"

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "unprecedented command of NORAD"

Who said Cheney commanded NORAD? Did someone inform the Canadians of this?

Cheney had nothing to do with interceptor dispersal. There were only 14 armed jets available that morning to cover the entire United States, at bases that were public knowledge..

[Chidanandaji]

Your right it was Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld:

"CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:"

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "why there were no interceptors anywhere near those points."

The location of armed interceptors was determined back in Clinton's administration. Cheney had nothing to do with that.

You said they could have taken out the "50 mile out" plane. Explain to us exactly how that would happen and which jet could have done this in time.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret This is in the documentation I have supplied on my web pages. Just google search:

American Military and Government Officials who Question 9/11

or

My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism

Just scroll down either of those compilations.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji

You claimed the area over the Pentagon was the most protected airspace on earth.

That's a lie, since there was NO restriction on flying over the Pentagon, which is located next to a huge civilian airport.

Explain why you lied, and why you refuse to admit it.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret Considering the mega billions spent in the NORAD air defense system, and the costs of maintaining jet-fighter ready interceptors....along with the command center computerized technology....etc, .I assume that this airspace is more protected that any other area on the planet. Yes, I'll admit that assumption could be wrong. Can you give me an indication where else is a more protected airspace with greater expenditure than NORAD technology and aircraft power?

[Chidanandaji]

@Chidanandaji I take back that statement that Cheney had unprecedented command of NORAD....I made that assumption based on the testimony of Norman Mineta, where he stated that Vice President Cheney replied to the officer "Of course the orders still stand" The question remains why would Cheney make such a statement if he was not in command? On the other hand, their is a quoted correspondence regarding Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's position of control that day.

[Chidanandaji]

"CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:"

Further to this:

[Chidanandaji]

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or groups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1

google: the 'stand-down order' 9-11 Review

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret I have reposted some timelines of the Flight 93 which evidently was 'shot down' as it approached the Washington airspace perimeter. This perimeter was not to be entered by any approaching hijacked aircraft,and was reportedly established with the jet interceptor pilots.  'Shoot down' orders then explain that flight 93 must have reached that outer, protected perimeter referred to by pilot 'Honey'

google search

My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "This perimeter was not to be entered by any approaching hijacked aircraft"

And we are supposed to take your word for this elusive "protected area?"

You're saying that there are areas in which hijacked aircraft can fly, and others in which they cannot?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?

You have absolutely no source for this, obviously.

[Chidanandaji]

I said that the source was an air force interceptor pilot code-named 'Honey'

You will have to go to the Flight 93 timeline on my webpage and scroll down to " Flight 93 Timeline" This link was posted by fromthewildernessdotcom and compiled by Paul Thompson using quoted mainstream, FAA, and NORAD news releases and interviews.

[Chidanandaji]

Go to (Before 10:06 A.M.) Ernie Stuhl, the mayor of Shanksville: "I know of two people -- I will not mention names -- that heard a missile. They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards... This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." He adds that based on what he has learned, F-16's were "very, very close."

[Chidanandaji]

that is on the timeline I supply on my website titled:

American Military and Government Officers who Question 9/11

and scroll down to Flight 93 Timeline

It took a lot of reading and thinking to put this together, I hope you'll take the time to peruse the info I discovered.

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them"

Yeah, sure. Some anonymous clown who thinks he knows what an AAM sounds like.

You obviously never were in VN, or you'd know what the odds are of that.

First clue: SAMs & AAMs were only launched along the border and in NVN, where the likelihood of ground troops was close to zero.

second clue: If the govt shot down 93, why not take credit & remove the idiotic criticism of NORAD response?

[SpookMSgt]

@BlazingFerret "Some anonymous clown who thinks he knows what an AAM sounds like."

What a fucking crock. Hard to believe that even Truthers swallow this crap, but of course none of them have ever served, and have no clue about missiles or anything else.

[Chidanandaji]

@SpookMSgt Who are you to say that an eye witness is full of crap? Because you say so, we are to believe you? Because you ignore the evidence pointing to controlled demolition of WTC 7, we are supposed to believe in you? Because you ignore statements by janitors and firemen of those controlled demolitions going off in the basement floors, we are to believe in you? Does calling me names make you more believable?

Google search: My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret I don't have all the answers. I am simply thinking about things as they were reported. Mineta states that the flight heading for the Pentagon was being tracked and that information was being passed on to Cheney. That raises more questions than it answers. So I went looking into the timelines. why were air-force fighter jets not scrambled for a full 31 minutes after FAA lost transponder contact with Flight 77 at 8:36 AM? Radar? Pentagon was hit at 9:41 AM .

[SpookMSgt]

@Chidanandaji "why were air-force fighter jets not scrambled for a full 31 minutes after FAA lost transponder contact with Flight 77"

Jesus F. Christ, are you really so completely ignorant that you ask a stupid question like this? You've already been told why -- you just don't like the answer.

Now go back and look to see when NORAD was NOTIFIED BY THE FAA of each plane.

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret It is all documented in the flight 93 timelines and review material I supplied links to on my webpage.

[Chidanandaji]

Cheney was warned of the approaching hijacked aircraft at 50 miles out, 30 miles out and finally at ten miles out, when the officer came into the room to ask "Sir, do the orders still stand?" Those orders must have been "shoot down", as flight 93 approached the point of the White House airspace perimeter . The question that arises is: Why wasn't flight 77 shot down also? Details are found by google searching:

My Thoughts on 9/11 and False Flag Terrorism

[Chidanandaji]

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon 36 minutes after (9:05 A.M.) West Virginia flight control noticed a new eastbound plane entering their radar with no radio contact and no transponder

[Chidanandaji]

That interaction which Mineta witnessed took place at 9:55AM, just eleven minutes before flight 93 was shot down. That same interaction took place 14 minutes after flight 77 was allowed to hit the Pentagon....which was (9:41 A.M.)Ê

That was 17 min after 9:24 A.M. The FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 "may" have been hijacked and appears to be headed towards Washington.

That was 14 min. after (9:27 A.M.)Ê NORAD orders three F-16 fighters scrambled from Langley Air Force Base

[Chidanandaji]

So according to the records, that verbal interaction which Mineta witnessed took place 14 minutes after the Pentagon had been allowed to be hit.

google search: fromthewildernessdotcom FLIGHT 77 TIMELINE By Paul Thompson

[BlazingFerret]

@Chidanandaji "Why wasn't flight 77 shot down"

For the same reason none of them were shot down.

They couldn't locate them in time.

[Chidanandaji]

There are statements by witnesses in the timeline archives (I supplied the link on my website under Shankesville) which indicates that eleven minutes after Cheney stated "of course the orders still stand'' that flight 93 was shot down,

You'll have to google search:

American Military and Government Officers who Question 9/11

then scroll down

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret If they couldn't locate them in time, then what was the verbal interaction with the officer and Cheney all about, if not approaching air threats to some secured air perimeter? "Do the orders still stand?"

[Chidanandaji]

@BlazingFerret If the air threat was not located....then what was Dick Cheney being informed of? Of course, radar was tracking the air threat This interview with Mineta proves that.

[whatupwiththatdog]

Question 2 was answered in this video, hello?

[theguitarczar]

Any time I hear a shill narrate things like this, I stop the video and type. Alex Jones is doing nothing more than desensitizing you. Keeping you in front of your computer screen, so when the Gestapo come, we will be easy prey.

[ceomeye]

how does a nation fall ? Some nations fall because of treason, traitors, and people in power who do not give a fuk about anybody but themselves.... usually a sign of the sickness within...

[rjc071]

All of them! All of them should be tried for treason!!! They murdered over 3,000 people on 9/11!!!

[snakeskin2u2]

Don't forget the evidence and slaughter of David Wherley

[snakeskin2u2]

It has now been almost ten long years since the event. Time for talking is over.

There is irrefutable evidence that 9/11 was a pre-scripted and planned event well in advance of the date.

There is irrefutable evidence that the White House was in a controlling postion of those events throughout.

It must now be asked,

WHO is going to do something about this mass slaughter of innocents; and lies from our "public servants" ?

WHAT is going to be done about it ?And, WHEN ?

Excellent vid, kevin604bc

[Loejyrrab]

@snakeskin2u2 Damn good question snake. We both await the answers.

[snakeskin2u2]

SNAP/ KLOPT. Same excuse given for UK 7/7 and Madrid bombings !

"We just happened to be running an exercise that day that was identical to the events."

[TheNorseLegend]

Ahh the cool soothing voice of Alex Jones. I wouldn't believe him if he said he was a fat balding gun toting shit talking Yanqui . Oh well in that respect yes I would.

[BlazingFerret]

@TheNorseLegend "the cool soothing voice of Alex Jones"

Alex Jones has never in his life made a true statement. He is genetically incapable of it.