In my opinion, It's not true in every situation. For example if you compare a really early work of Scriabin like Impromptu Op.2 No.3 and his Fantasy Op. 28, even if it's in the " romantic " period, the complexity of the Fantasy (structures , voices etc) makes that piece much more interessant than the little impromptu (and much more difficult too :p).
And we can't really compare early Scriabin and late Scriabin, it's not the same language. But we can say that his late work are more sophisticated.
Restricting music to the point where it's only aloud to be beautiful and soothing makes it cease to be music because it has to follow guide lines given it by a third party, instead of just being what it is; a process of sounds. if YOU don't understand then too bad for YOU.
I think the deepest essence of art is communication. With art, you want to tell something about for example your emotions or a story. This is the deepest essence of art, and it should always be present.
On the second place comes beauty. Why? Beauty only says about how it looks or sounds, but it doesn't have to communicate.
Complexity can improve the communication, and therefore it can make art more interesting.
Nevertheless, there is not one way to define art, everyone has their own way.
@nmvdw I agree with yor first statement in that art is a way of communication; to quote one of my favorite composers (Mahler) "If a man could say what he wanted in words, there would be no need to say it in music".
I suppose I agree with your second statement, but I do find "beauty" to be a relative term.
Well, I guess I haven't a so bad opinion on Liszt's works, though I agree that a large part of his early ones was a "transcendental" show off. Anyway, I was talking from a compositional point of view, having in mind the huge Chopin influence on Scriabin's early pieces.
I really like the Liszt bm sonata, particularly as played by Horowitz. And, there is a time and place for his show-off pieces. But, for this sonata specifically, the fast tempo and Liszt-like rigidity (rather than the suppleness of Chopin) doesn't fully work.
Hammie's recordings of the Sonatas is one of my favorites. John Ogden is up there for me too.
ReturnOfTheStienway 1 year ago
@ReturnOfTheStienway
Imo Hakon Austbo's sonatas are the best, have you heard of it ?
MagicSkryabin 1 year ago
@MagicSkryabin No... are they on YouTube?
ReturnOfTheStienway 1 year ago
Bastante rápido que. La toca el hamelin
PPchopin 1 year ago
oh.. so fast? :/ Hamelin's passion for show.
frejaassenbjerg 1 year ago
Scriabin is God. I have not a single doubt after listening to this wonder.
KheldarPr 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite pieces of all time
TheUltimateOverlord2 1 year ago
Scriabin's musical language is so individual and one-of-a-kind even in his very early period.
SIiv3r 1 year ago
In my opinion, It's not true in every situation. For example if you compare a really early work of Scriabin like Impromptu Op.2 No.3 and his Fantasy Op. 28, even if it's in the " romantic " period, the complexity of the Fantasy (structures , voices etc) makes that piece much more interessant than the little impromptu (and much more difficult too :p).
And we can't really compare early Scriabin and late Scriabin, it's not the same language. But we can say that his late work are more sophisticated.
MagicSkryabin 2 years ago
You are looking for sophistication whereas I think that are should be simple and beautiful. I mean who cares about the difficulty of the music.
aituar77 2 years ago
Why should all music have to be beautiful?
mahler151 2 years ago 3
Dont ask silly questions
aituar77 2 years ago
Don't make stupid statements.
mahler151 2 years ago
Music should be beautiful because beauty is an essence of art. Such an elementary stuff. If you dont understand it then bad for you.
aituar77 2 years ago
Restricting music to the point where it's only aloud to be beautiful and soothing makes it cease to be music because it has to follow guide lines given it by a third party, instead of just being what it is; a process of sounds. if YOU don't understand then too bad for YOU.
mahler151 2 years ago
I think the deepest essence of art is communication. With art, you want to tell something about for example your emotions or a story. This is the deepest essence of art, and it should always be present.
On the second place comes beauty. Why? Beauty only says about how it looks or sounds, but it doesn't have to communicate.
Complexity can improve the communication, and therefore it can make art more interesting.
Nevertheless, there is not one way to define art, everyone has their own way.
nmvdw 2 years ago
@nmvdw I agree with yor first statement in that art is a way of communication; to quote one of my favorite composers (Mahler) "If a man could say what he wanted in words, there would be no need to say it in music".
I suppose I agree with your second statement, but I do find "beauty" to be a relative term.
mahler151 2 years ago
I agree: beauty is relative.
nmvdw 2 years ago
@nmvdw Glad to find another open minded individual.
mahler151 2 years ago
@MagicSkryabin - There are links between all periods of Scriabin's composition
gymgymgymgym 1 year ago
That's why i said we can't "really" compare. That means there is a link but not very evident.
MagicSkryabin 1 year ago
His late works dont lack of beauty, it's just a different sort of beauty, a much complicated sort of beauty :)
MagicSkryabin 2 years ago
Magic. Truth is that simplicity is the essential element of beauty.
aituar77 2 years ago
scriabin is better than chopin...
stagesix6 2 years ago
Thing is that I prefer Scriabin's early toils. Early etudes, this sonata. Late works lack beauty.
aituar77 2 years ago
This sounds to me more of a Lisztian sonata than a Chopinian one; it has romantic accents anyhow.
WAMEDJO 2 years ago
Check out Wojciech Kocyan's performance which is superior musically. Ashkenzy's is pretty good, too.
This piece is not about Lisztian bravado / mechanized exercises.
superstition222 2 years ago
Well, I guess I haven't a so bad opinion on Liszt's works, though I agree that a large part of his early ones was a "transcendental" show off. Anyway, I was talking from a compositional point of view, having in mind the huge Chopin influence on Scriabin's early pieces.
WAMEDJO 2 years ago
I really like the Liszt bm sonata, particularly as played by Horowitz. And, there is a time and place for his show-off pieces. But, for this sonata specifically, the fast tempo and Liszt-like rigidity (rather than the suppleness of Chopin) doesn't fully work.
superstition222 2 years ago
You are right, this is a very underrated sonata, it's one of my favorites of Scriabin's. I love the development so much!
FranzofL 2 years ago
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BubbaFrench 2 years ago
Hey !
I'm learning this sonata too ! but i'm stuck in the fourth page ...
It's hard but Hamelin plays it so easily !!
(and maybe a bit too fast ?)
MagicSkryabin 2 years ago
how do u know this sonata was played by hamelin?
stagesix6 2 years ago
he recorded the whole scriabin sonata..
rvn10rvn17 2 years ago
@rvn10rvn17 Buy the CD! Support classical (I use "classical" loosely) artists and recording companies.
celach 2 years ago
i do have the cd :).
original.
rvn10rvn17 2 years ago
@rvn10rvn17 Nice, me too. It's one of my favorite Hamelin CDs.
celach 2 years ago
Wow, it sounds awesome! I'm really proud to learn how to play this sonate, but I think I won't able to play it this way. What a pity!
Venik312 2 years ago
That's the way to play Scriabin...the most difficult passages played like a piece of cake....bravo
grhrd1234 3 years ago 5
This is really awesome! Much better than Gerhart Muench's version. Thank you for posting. I think you should put there more tags.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
Thank you, you are welcome. I have to post the fourth movement now :)
Yes i really like Hamelin. He plays Scriabin very well ..
MagicSkryabin 3 years ago
under 300 views?
Scriabin?
And Marc-Andre Hamelin?
Scriabin's sonatas should be better known than this...
PS thanks for the post - wonderful playing as always from MAH.
guitarmanK1982 3 years ago 8