If you look at Ronald Reagan's legislative record, he didn't do a lot. He raised taxes more than any President before him with that payroll tax that taxes working Americans twice. He was lucky to be there when the cold war was coming to an end. People give him too much credit claiming he "single-handedly ended the cold war.
@larryjlangan Dumb idiot, the economy skyrocketted shortly after he took office because of his 15/25/35 plan. Everything was great. How old are you, did you even live during the Reagan era, or are you just repeating crap you heard from professors?
@Todd82TA if by skyrocketted you mean he began a sharp upward trend of debt that leveled off during Clinton's presidency before shooting ever higher during Bush's years, then yeah, the economy skyrocketted, and our future obligations with it. just saying, i happen to like the man but everyone has their faults.
@GlenRoSSe69 The whole of the world outlawed Israel a long time ago, they just don't have the means/balls to start dropping bombs. God help us when Iran finally does. Then. We are fucked.
@GlenRoSSe69 I think the majority of humans have already outlawed those who don't recognize the rights of other's to exist. Not that everyone in Israel is a saint (Jewish saints? No there's a confusing thought).
@DimensionsofChange I think the majority of humans have already outlawed those who don't recognize the rights of other's to exist. " How could that be true - The Jews would not allow the world to allow the Germans to have there own nation unto themselves. Yes the Lie of so called "Israel" - "Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew."(1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3). As you can see its all fake - quite a shame.
@GlenRoSSe69 Look dude. I really don't wanna have an Israel debate right now. Why don't you go bitch about what the zionists are doing elsewhere. Or how bout this, you put your energy into doing something productive, like outlawing Bashar al-Assad
@DimensionsofChange - Bashar al-Assad - why? he is a great leader!! Maybe if NATO and the MoSSad would leave him alone and stop arming and paying people to cause shit - he would be more happy :O)
you don't seem to understand the difference between GDP and state budget: the GDP is the worth, in $, of what is produced in an economy. The state budget is what the state is actually spending. (usually, the budget is around 20-30% of the GDP, compare with the wikipedia for "United States federal budget" (hotlinking doesn't work somehow)).
And you think the military is fighting for your freedom with the GI's stationed in Germany? In Italy? Abu-Ghraib? Guantanamo?
First things first: of course the government can make moral choices for you: the moment any government gets rid of for example death penalty, it makes a choice. Governments can even do moral choices against you: in France, the government got rid of death penalty when most of the people were still for it...
Ot the government could pass a law making it illegal for you to pass by a traffic accident without applying first help and calling an ambulance (it's like that out here too...)
@hoyt596 thanks! My pleasure to try and compare the American view of things with the European one... Bloody hell, loads of differences (and, by the way, I did answer to the posts of NYOLSKOOL, but I did that through private messaging).
He says we treat our own people like dirt! We are the most charitable nation on the planet. In BOTH personal charity and Tax dollars being sent overseas and to our own citizens. What has Germany EVER done for another people but bring 2 world wars? Do they even give charity to each other ? Or do they say "The government will do it"?
first off i never said people here get complacent cause of ss, i said cause of welfare. ss is earned. welfare is not. im tired. ill get into it tomorrow w/ u. i peeped ur home page. u a computer scientest. do u know how much money u would make in USA. but then u would have to give close to 50% in taxes. i respect ur opinion. but we def differ. to be continued...
what, we dont have welfare, ss.unemployment assistance here. there needs to be limits on what gov spends and `enforces`. we have over 300 million peopel here. germany has less than 100 million. free market thrives with numbers. gov cant `provide` for that many people. we have the strongest economy due to individual wealth. competitative will. and the risks and rewards of trying to succeed. playing ur hand the best u can. its a great feeling..,and yeah..im been at bottom before..more than once..
@NYOLSKOOL you think it's a matter of scale? Ask any mathematician working in such a place and he will tell you: the more people subscribe, the easier it gets (it evens out the odd cases, so there is less room for error). It means more people get sick and more people pay, very easy to solve. That you have the strongest economy... I don't think the explanation would be something that holds in 500 characters, much less in 2 lines.
But to say people get complacent because of social security is stupid: it's simply not enough to really enjoy yourself,so of course you are still motivated to find a job. It justs insure you get to live as a human being(roof over your head, warm food etc)whatever the case. And to say people get complacent because of medical security... that's the most irrational thing I ever heard. Get into the 21st century at last,America! In Germany we've had social security since the 1870s!
@SantouryuRoronoa ok so u say it is easier for a socialist society w/ more people? ask a mathamatician this..half our workin population makes 35k or less, yet they pay less than 3% in taxes.u say the more people that subscribe the easier it is to work. BUT not everyone makes the same money. so it is not possible. who do u think pays for welfare/free meical now? once again, the majority that pays is the top 10-20% earners. not the bottom 50%. as im writing this i just heard obama on tv say we
@SantouryuRoronoa have the largest `middle class` in the world. thats no secret. but it is the wealthy that substains most our public services.and they want to take more from them. i can see ur method work if everyone made the same money. but that is the beauty of capitolism. u r rewared what u make. ur ideas, to prospure in ur endeavures. to compete. not to sit on ur ass collecting some gov hand out. to me gov first priority is to protect our nation. so we need to spend in military. and we do
@SantouryuRoronoa infrastucture is another big thing for gov. and i dare to say we have the best in place. same as milatary. but look what happened when gov got involved in banking w/ fannie mae/ freddy mac b.s. tellin banks to lower standards and risks and demand the loan money to high risk people. that began our mini collapse. not everyone needs to `own` a home. and certainly not everyone can afford one. thats just fed gov. then we need to weed thru state govs. we do ahve some probs w/ big biz
@SantouryuRoronoa but those probs would be better than probs w/ big gov.when nader pushed for autos to have seat belts back in 60`s it was a good thing. but when think hard, it is gov that is makin us wear seat belts.same w/ tobaco comps. they lied about affects of smoking. and what did gov do? they just implimented ridiculous taxes on cigs. so it is either big biz or big gov. pick ya poison. big biz employs more people. big gov wants to control what u do or make. the staple of our constitution
@SantouryuRoronoa is small gov. `we the people`. i feel for peep that arent doing good. but it is bound to be. we can not help everyone. no way. and y should someone who built a biz from ground up be responsible for those who r less fortunate? we r in 21 century here. we r beacon of what most countries want to be. to be the best U can be. health care to me is a sticky situation. i agree we need to make some adjustments there. but we have so many gov funded handouts it is getn ridiculous.
@NYOLSKOOL sorry for the response time, was a bit busy over here. First off, what is your definition of welfare? I'll give you mine and then we can see whether our definitions differ. Social security: financial and other assistance given to people in need. Welfare: medicare, social security (is a part of the welfare state i think), etc... The fact that it (social security) is necessary is clear I hope:
@NYOLSKOOL you can be very unlucky in your life, without necessarily doing something wrong, so this "welfare" is there to insure that no matter what happens, you get to live as a human being. Why do I think it should be done by the state and not some other institution? Because obviously the state is the best equipped for it: it's easy to expand the existing tax infrastructure to cash in a little more and redistribute to those in need.
@NYOLSKOOL It is also better to do it through the state than through another institution because the government is neutral: it is only the long arm of the people and not out there to make profit. As such there are many institutions in place to control it (rousseau developped an idea of "separation of powers": executive, legislative and judicative). Seeing as the US is the oldest democracy still in place today,
it still has a few problems in that direction (with all due respect of course: the founding fathers were without doubt great people, but they simply couldn't anticipate events that have taken place since). One of the problems would be for example, that the supreme court judges get "chosen" by the president, which is an obvious breach of the separation of powers (but don't worry, in France it's the same for example).
@NYOLSKOOL These mechanisms would stop any government from doing funny stuff with the acquired data.
Of course I think too, that the job of the government includes defending the country and it's interests, but what the US does is pushing it too far: you know what the annual defense budget is??? That's 663 billion $ for the department of defense + 654 billion in other spendings, bringing the total to about 1,2 trillion dollars.
@NYOLSKOOL That's about as much as what the ten next countries spend; in % of GDP, that's double of what every other western country has. (of course, there are exceptions such as israel, forget about those)
When I see the US throwing that money away, it really annoys me to see that you treat your own people like dirt, using as a sole excuse "well capitalism: tough luck, you had your chance",
@NYOLSKOOL when it would cost a fraction of what you pay for the military (perhaps the next aicraftcarrier could wait a few years and instead you could give the poor people on the streets some chance to have a roof over their heads?).
Of course infrastructure is a big thing for government: but that's not really the point. Even though I think your's isn't doing very well in that either: 65 mph on the highways??
@SantouryuRoronoa We spend less than 5% of our GDP on the military. Far more is wasted in social programs, YOU put a roof over your head, no one else should be obligated.
@TumisHumis If anyone should have a roof put over their head, it should be the men and women of our military. Anyone that fights for our freedom has my respect.
@TumisHumis 5% of our GDP sounds small, but consider that it's 48% of the combined sum of money spent by all countries everywhere on their military... combined.
We should put more of that money into the research and development of new technologies, not war.
Should parents kick their kids out at 18? they have just as much legal obligation to house you then as you do to house a hobo. The reason they do is because of a MORAL obligation, the same obligation we have to our fellow Americans.
@NYOLSKOOL What is that, a joke? Your passenger trains are still from the 60's even though you have such a huge potential for those (big cities, that are pretty near (mainly on the west and east coasts)).
Which brings me to my last point: you were mentionning me being a computer scientist and you said I would probably pay 50% of taxes in the US. Frankly, I have no problems with that:
@NYOLSKOOL I simply wouldn't be able to look into my mirror if I got to keep everything and letting less fortunate people not be able to get an organ transplant for financial reasons.
Let's have a look at my paycheck:
for every 10$ is earn here, the state keeps 2$ for himself in imcome taxes, I pay 1$ for social security, about another dollar in medical insurance and into my retirement fund.
@NYOLSKOOL I get to keep about... 2/3. This looks like few social costs, but my employer pays another third of them: meaning it's about 2$70cents for every 10 dollars I earn that go to other people right now (seeing as I have a job, am not sick and am not retired yet), considering the government does something else with my money.
As you can see, your argument of "chose your poison" is easily countered: the state is not a poison seeing as it answers to the people, can be taken to court etc...
@NYOLSKOOL But there are ways of making them pay a bit for the well being of the people (you know that apple has about 40 billion $ in it's "war treasury", hard cash, stand february 2010? I think it's unfair to the employees and the USA as a whole).
And saying that the USA is a beacon of what most countries want to be... is true in many regards, but I wouldn't trade my german citizenship for an american one in a lifetime:
@SantouryuRoronoa haha..been a little busy visting NYC, so im not couped up in the jungle..but i will be returning to the jungle soon and will be sure to reply to ur comments. i see u just posted 3 hours ago. im just checking all my mail. Dont worry, im not running away..u will here from me soon..and it will be good ;)
@SantouryuRoronoa Criticizing the USA for the Defence spending that ENABLED the Europeans to grow their welfare state while WE were defending their ASSES from the Soviets for more than 40 years. THEY didn't have to spend on the military very much because of us. Even as Canada doesn't have to either, knowing full well we have their back.
He puts so much faith in government to do the right thing, coming from a country that gave the world the SOCIALIST NAZIS. .
@SantouryuRoronoa Wow! We see the welfare state at work here in all major cities, reliance on government handouts, drugs, crime, degraded housing projects (gov.run). The democrats have historically taken the black man from slavery to segregation to welfare. In all 3 cases ruling over them to varying degrees! From FDR to LBJ to BHO, using government hand outs and redistribution of money to buy their votes and keep them enslaved to government (under the democrats).
@SantouryuRoronoa As for Social Security & Medicare, he equates to the same as the above welfare. I agree that it's part of the welfare state, but for the middle class primarily, and working people paid into it their entire working lives. This is another way for even working americans to be dependant on gov. I am opposed to the money pit of both which are going bankrupt as we speak
@SantouryuRoronoa I would like personal retirement accounts and medical saving accounts that the individual controls and can leave to their family if they pass away. But even that on a volunteer basis, not coerced by gov.
@SantouryuRoronoa This guy simply doesn't understand FREEDOM as we Americans do and I don't think he ever will or can with his entitled mindset.
In the end though he admits virtually ALL advancements that even he personally benefits from come from the private sector with capitalism not government, NOT Germany.
@SantouryuRoronoa I had to enlist someone who was more knowledgeable to answer ur opinions. U too smart for me. But after reading what this person wrote, i was able to see the big picture. I have respect for ur intelligence. So i know debating w/ u would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. And that I know is stupid. Respect.
Well people,I'm from Germany and it always is fascinating to read american opinions:You really believe it is not a fundamental right to always have the best chances of survival?How much for an organ transplant when you have no medical insurance?If you sell your house, maybe you can afford it. America is supposed to be the country of positiveness (with the american dream and all that),but you can't even imagine someone to be out of luck?To have cancer with 40?This person deserves a chance to live
@SantouryuRoronoa u live in fantasy land. not everything is equal. not everyone is equal. you live w/ the hand u are dealt. and i consider being born in america a good hand. thats just the way it is. and from there you need to play ur hand to the best of ur ability. some will prosper, some will fail. nothing equal about it. some people become presidents and some dig ditches. life is what u make it. u stand or u fall. that is the american dream. not some gov handout. and in the end we all die..
@NYOLSKOOL Now that's what I'm talking about:Everyone gets to live according to some standards(we call human rights)which include the right to live(in Germany, that's article #2 of the Grundgesetz)regardless of the"hand you are dealt with". When you are well and have a job, you pay social/medical security, when you are sick/lose your job, people who once got your money will pay you back, that's the basis of the welfare state and it's the duty of government to enforce it. It works very well here!
and did it on my own. no gov help. we have services in place to help others. medicad,ss,food stamps etc. and u want more. it makes people complaciant. not hungry (work). people think w/out healthcare people cant get medical help. we have plenty of public hospitals. u walk in, u get taken care of. but to demand that u have some kind of insurance is a gov take over of private sector. and if u take too much from that 10% and they shut down..well thats the end of US.
and in US the 2% richest pay more than 65% of taxes. 10% pay close to 90% taxes. what more do u wana take from them. and do realize how many jobs those people generate through their companies. socialism looks good on paper. but in real time it is not posible. not in US. we have to many options. i feel the colapse of economy is population growth. the world is gettin to small w/ too many people. i dunno. i aint no rich guy. my education is limited. but i was able to provide a buisness that thrived
nicaragua is wasteland. the people there r sheep. the infrastructure isnt worth a shit. nevr has been. the have been at war w/ each other for over 50 years. somoza was evil. so is ortega. no good will come out of nicaragua. they are now a marxist country. my ex twat showed me her history books. total bulshit. total fabricatin on waht the US is. back in 80 revelution was was taking over el salvador. nicaragua was the next to go. 80% of people live out in middle of nowhere. easily manipulated by
@NYOLSKOOL any regime that wants to take power. they have no resourses of any value. danny o just be kissin ass to get funds. hes talkin w/ pres of iran. hes askin us for aid in fightin drugs. if not for the cold war, we wouldnt give a fuck about nicaragua. and the generations that have come since HATE usa. they are taught from 1st grade. ahh the power of knowledge + mis information =sheep, wandering aimlessly. between 80-89 some 25k people died, both contras & sandanistas. i guarantee since 90
YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT CARTER NOR REAGAN NOR ANY OF THE PRESIDENTS THAT CAME AND RULED YOUR COUNTRY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT U WEATHER U LIVE OR DIE OR LEAVE THE WHOLE NATION WITHOUT MONEY! THEY ARE ALL PUPPETS IN THE MASONS HANDS WHO INTEND TO RULE THE WORLD. READ ABOUT THEM AND EVERYONE WILL GET IT. YOU PPL ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THEIR POWER GROW BY GENERATING FEAR BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER WHICH TOTALLY SATISFY THEM! YOUR COMING ONCE TO THIS LIFE! WHY SHOULD U GET PLAYED? THUMBS UP IF TRUE!
@joeanthony88 Right, and the magical kingdom of flying Tauren are being invaded by lvl 67 gnolls who are secretly being controlled by the mythical kingdom of Atlantis.
@ArodWingfoot He cut funding to essential services under the guise of 'starving the beast' of the federal government, then blamed their lack of performance on incompetence, rather than funding. These services were deregulated, privatised and became money sinks with monopolistic markets while the deficit exploded. He ignored the spread of AIDS, backed Central American Death Squads, created the more farcical elements of the war on drugs and sold weapons to terrorists but baby boomers got jobs so..
@elphantasmogoro Crated 20 million new jobs, ended the cold war. Privatized businesses always do better than government ones, so good thing they got privatized. The spread of AIDS, he couldn't have any affect on, he didn't back up death squads, if the war on drugs is false then how come drug runners ki8ll people daily? He didn't sell weapons to terrorist he sold weapons to people fighting for their rights but those weapons where stolen by terrorist. Get your facts right please and thank you.
@ArodWingfoot The hysteria about communism created the jobs and created long term problems for manufacturing that couldn't be sustained, Privatised healthcare, hopstials and the deregulated banking system are not doing well for anyone except the ultra rich and privatised military isn't doing so well either. He ignored AIDS, as it was supposedly a 'gay disease'. Education could've stopped the spread, but it was only killing gays so it was let to run rampant until it was too late to contain.
@ArodWingfoot Death Squads? Howabout installing Pinochet in Chile and allowing his army to commit incredible atrocities? His administration sold weapons to and is rumoured to have trained the Mujahadin. So every single point I've brought up is easily found and pretty much common knowledge. I could go on. Howabout when troops from an allied nation raped American nuns and he turned a blind eye to it? His disgusting and racist foreign policy? I have my facts. You have rose tinted glasses.
@elphantasmogoro All you people do. a president steps up and you blame him for your shit.
You know what? If you are not brain washed you would know that without this guy you wouldn't be alive because your ass would have never been born thanks to the invention of Nuclear Weapons.
@shadowhunter388 Much like poeple are blaming the current president for problems that have been simmering away and waiting to boil over for decades. But that's different, right?
I'm not brainwashed by US politics. Partially because I'm not American. I likely would've been born without the invention of nuclear weapons and Reagan didn't invent nuclear weapons. That was the Manhattan Project in WW2. This dude named Einstein was involved. People think Reagan was a nuclear physicist as well now? wow
@elphantasmogoro I'll just spell it out for you, Chile, is not America. Mujahidin was the Afgans fighting against their russian occupiers, so he gave them weapons. At that point we where not enemies with them, and noone could of foreseen that we would become enemies with them. Never heard about the American Nun story so please provide information so I can look it up. Policy that mafe Russia back down from their aggressive stance. Without him all of Europe would be speaking russian.
@ArodWingfoot Chile is Chile. A place where American intervention installed a dictator who committed incredible atrocities and that dictator was supported by US official policy. The Mujahidin were given training and weapons BEFORE the invasion specifically to illicit an aggressive reaction from Russia and your European Russia assertion is wild speculation. It was forseen that a well equipped, well trained guerilla group of religious zealots would become a problem. Not rocket science, there.
@elphantasmogoro No Chile is Chile, America has no influence on them, if they got a dictator, it was not anyones in America's fault, it was Chile's fault. No, they where given weapons, after the russians invaded to fight back. You have to remember at the time, they where not zealots, just people fighting for their homes. There is a big difference between that and a zealot.
@ArodWingfoot Chile was a functioning country that was overthrown by a CIA funded coup because Allende was unwilling to deal with the US. It was planned, funded and carried out by US forces through local proxies. A good source is The Pinochet Files by Peter Kornbluh.
Russia were posturing but had not actually invaded. They needed Russia to be the aggressor in order to enter 'just war'. Mujahidin were hardline religious zealots before the war, they just served a purpose so a blind eye was turned.
@elphantasmogoro Oh so Chile was the envy of the world until the coup overthrew the government? By what you are saying thats pretty much the case when in reality not so much. But the CIA... You do realize that the CIA can do things without presidential approval right? Supporting such a coup, being one of them.
No, they where in the country before we started sending them weapons. By the way, Reagan was not the one pushing to sell weapons to them, that goes to Charlie Wilson.
@ArodWingfoot Chile were doing just fine. They were one of the few places in the area that were. Did they need to be a world superpower in order to be a decent place to live?
Look, I've tried to provide evidence for at least some of the things I've said, but every time I make a point you simply contradict it.
@ArodWingfoot There is evidence that water is wet, but you can still contradict a statement to that effect, regardless of evidence. Your argument doesn't make sense.
Allende was unwilling to come to the table and give the US valuable resources for a low price, so the more cost effective solution was to place a leader who was a US ally. However, that is FAR too simplistic. There are and were many reasons why it would be beneficial to destabilise certain countries. You are simplifying everything.
@elphantasmogoro Okay, now I think you might want to check yourself into a home, that comment doesn't hold any sanity.
So it would be cheaper to perform an op that if it went wrong it could cause a war between the US, and Chile which would divert millions, or dollars and possible cost many American lives? Yeah that makes alot sense.
Ah... so the US has never purposely destabilised a region, created unnecessary hostilities and lost many American lives in order to gain something? Never? Not even once?
@elphantasmogoro I havn't said that, but you claim that it is done on a regular basis for no good reason other than the president and congress being bored.
No, I specifically said that it is done to further US interests. Be it for resources, strategic placement of military assets, removal of perceived threats or any other reason. The Vietnam war springs to mind: The perceived threat of Communism.
@elphantasmogoro You mean the Vietnam war where North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and US had no part in until AFTER the invasion? It wasn't a perceived threat, it was a real threat it happened in Korea as well BTWYou should Thank God for Reagon because his polocies made Russia back down from it's aggresive stance.
Oh and the Soviet era was ended by a group called Solidarity. The largest contributors to the end of the Soviet era were a bunch of polish people including the pope, an electrican named Lech Walesa and dock workers.
reagan's military spending did nothing but make the Soviets more edgy, causing them to set up a system called Perimeter; a dead-hand system that's more or less a Doomsday device that is active to this very day. Reagan taking credit from the Polish is despicable.
@elphantasmogoro The collapse of the soviet union was contributed by many to say it was only the polish is foolish, and I do notice how you are the only one who claims it.
Okay, I guess the whole fact that they stepped down from their very aggresive stance is nothing more than a mute point to you. All nuclear ships, carriers, subs, so forth have a so called "Doomsday" scenerio where if they loose contact with their command they launch weapons, every sub had this long before Reagan took office
Not only am I NOT the only person to claim it, there are books about it.
The doomsday device known as Perimeter was set up in direct response to Reagan.
Jesus, man... A few typos are fine, but you can't expect me to take you seriously if you don't know the word 'moot' and every post is riddled with spelling errors on top of the fact that you STILL have no evidence for your claims and contradict everything with strawmen and moon logic.
@elphantasmogoro There are books about it being Reagon's success.
Perimiter is no a single device it is a series of them. Humanity does not have the knowledge to deathstar the planet.
And all your statements are fueled by no evidence just your hatred of the greatest country on Earth. In the end it all comes down to would you rather live on your knees or die on your feet? Yeah I do have alot of typos, I can admit it. In the end, I couldn't care less if you took me seriously or not.
@ArodWingfoot This has to be a joke, right? You're trolling me now.
Perimeter is a dead-hand weapon and ensures total destruction of the human race. Remember the whole 'mutually assured destruction' thing? Yeah... for lack of a better term: Deathstar.
I have given evidence, I have no ill-will toward the USA and the claim its the best country is like saying that peanut butter is the greatest condiment.
The issue was less the typos, more the fact that you use words you don't know the meaning of.
@ArodWingfoot The technology is called nuclear fission and we've had it since World War 2. 'Mutually assured destruction' was a term used all over the place when talking about both the US and Russia during the Cold War. Between the two nations, there were about enough nuclear weapons to destroy the earth a dozen times. You'd know this if you had any clue about the Cold War. Its common knowledge.
"You have yet to give solid evidence that the facts didn't deny." - This is not an English sentence.
Oh and I see many people as my intellectual equals or superiors. I'm no great mind. However, I'm not an idiot and you seem to be trying very hard to prove that you are.
Also: 'mute point' is not a common phrase. You were looking for 'moot point'. So no, you don't understand what you write and you more often than not can't even spell the name of the person you are defending.
@elphantasmogoro I know we have enough nukes to destroy all life on earth, but we don't have a single device that would destroy the world, that would take several dozen nukes to end all life, but there is no 1 single device that would end the world which is exactly what I said before you just can't seem to grasp the concept of 1 against several dozen.
So if a gun has many bullets, each bullet is a weapon? You are the one not grasping simple concepts, here. The Soviet Perometer is an automatic defense system that acts as one weapon. If a strike is detected, it will launch some or all of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Think of it as one big gun that has enough bullets to destroy the earth several times. It only needs to be fired once and the dvice is a single 'weapon' with many nuclear missiles.
@elphantasmogoro Well by your definition if I take 6 guns and fire them at the same time they are 1 weapon which they are not. Well America has the same system so I don't see what the big crying deal is, so long as we don't attack and they don't attack we'll be fine. They probably would of attacked if not for Reagan. No, in your gun scenario because if it fired once it wouldn't destroy the earth. You need a multitude of nukes working in unison to destroy the planet, there is no one weapon.
I cannot believe that you don't understand this concept...
If you hooked 6 guns up to a single trigger, then the weapon would be a six barrelled gun. Anti-air guns often work on this idea. So please read this slowly: There is one trigger that shoots many missiles. This one trigger on a single mechanism constitutes one weapon.
The big deal is that the system was created in response to the actions of the Reagan administration. It wouldn't have existed under a competant leader.
@elphantasmogoro No if you hooked 6 guns up to a single trigger, its 6 guns set up to a single trigger, Like with battleship cannons, most have 3 barrels some had 2, but the fired simotaniously, but they fired seperate rounds so they where each individual weapons
ANd they had a similar system before Reagan came to office and we had a similar system, and still do now. The same concept of a devise has existed ever since Russia got Nuclear weapons.
Since this has turned into you just contradicting me without anything to back it up and an argument on the semantics of what constitutes a weapon, I'm going to end this here.
My last comment to you is that Reagan was an awful man who presided over a government that happily abused human rights and created both social and economic problems that we are still paying for today.
Believe it or don't. But stop celebrating a man who you know so little about, you can't spell his name.
@elphantasmogoro Welll you have no evidence to back up your claims, where as I do. Created 20 million jobs and ended the cold war. Your idea of a problem seems to be warped. I won't believe it because you have absolutly no evidence to back up your claim, you just whine about all the good he did. I know a great deal about him actually, did you know he was at one time a sport radio broadcaster?
@ArodWingfoot He killed plenty of people in Nicaragua, invaded Grenada, and claimed to be free-market despite giving massive subsidies to major US corporations. Waged war on OSHA. Appointed William Rehnquist as Chief Justice, who said the poor could be forced to pay for public education (because education was not "a fundamental right") Gave over a trillion dollars to the military in his first term of office, lowered the top rate of tax to 28%, losing $70 billion per annum in government revenue.
@goddedme So... who are you talking about? It can't be Reagan because revenue increased to the government, and he didn't murder the people of Nicaragua. You know this is why I try not to get into arguments over the computer, because I get untold amounts of comments that I can't possible respond to them all especially when they are filled with as much bs as yours is.
@ArodWingfoot So...I spent ten minutes writing a well-worded response, and you just say "Oh there's too many comments here, how can I respond?" There's a lot because he caused a lot of shit. And ok, he personally didn't kill lots of people, but it simply isn't possible to deny that he funded the Contras in Nicaragua, which I would have said if I were not limited to a certain amount of characters.
@goddedme It's all quite simple. I HAVE 30 COMMENTS TO THIS 1 VIDEO!!! Not to mention the other 50 in my inbox! You may have the time to waste answering all those but I don't!
@goddedme So... who are you talking about? It can't be Reagan because revenue increased to the government, and he didn't murder the people of Nicaragua. You know this is why I try not to get into arguments over the computer, because I get untold amounts of comments that I can't possible respond to them all especially when they are filled with as much bs as yours is.
@goddedme i wish he woulda killed my x girlfriend from nicaragua. that commie bitch. and them retards elect ortega AGAIN..amidst him raping a 14 year old girl. and they killed hundreds of christians back then..the sandinistas that is.
@NYOLSKOOL You're absolutely right, how dare they vote the wrong way in an election. Maybe the US should invade to rectify this, and teach them a good lesson about how democracy works in the West.
@goddedme yeah ok.he got voted in `the right way`..he controls the army up there. they were havin riots back in `08 in managua. fuckn guy is a dictator, plain and simple. in `09 he has a `summit` there w/ chavez and castros brother. 3 shinin examples dictators. try that shit in usa. aint guna happen. back in 80`s there was a real threat w/ this moron and reagan. russia was tryn to use him while they were getn their asses kicked in afghan and now his `term` is up..his wife is runin.she`ll win.hah
@NYOLSKOOL Robert Pastor Carters national security advisor for latin america explained the US had to support the murderous Somoza regime and when that failed to maintain the US-trained National Guard even though it was massacring the population "with a brutality a nation usually reserves for its enemy," as "The United States did not want to control Nicaragua or the other nations of the region...It wanted Nicaraguans to act independantly, except when doing so would affect US interests adversely."
@goddedme Thats just Carter, a supposed liberal. Reagan funded the contras and prior to the 1990 election campaign Bush gave $9million in campaign contributions to Violetta Chamorro. The NY Times proclaimed a "Victory for US Fair Play". TIME praised the "happy series of democratic surprises" as "democracy burst forth" then explained that the methods used were to "wreck the economy and prosecute a long and deadly proxy war until the exhausted natives overthrow the unwanted government themselves."
Respond to this video... With a cost to the US that is "minimal," leaving Nicaragua "with wrecked bridges, sabotaged power stations, and ruined farms," and thus providing the US-backed candidate with "a winning issue":ending the "impoverishment of the people of Nicaragua." These are the so-called liberal doves writing, and TIME correctly concluded that the only dividing issue between conservatives and liberals is "who should claim credit" in the free and fair election, without coercion
@goddedme more than 25k died up there. this man was in exil. he was a common theif. trained in cuba in revolution. he succeded. keep copy and pasting shit from internet. i got boots on the ground down here. the place is a shit hole. turning out misguided people w/ misguided beliefs. in the world of politics there is much evil, but no doubt US is tthe lesser of all other nations. in esteli where my x is from they have a downed cia plane in town. a sign sits on top `welcome to esteli, home of inte
@goddedme rnational airport. haha. assholes. esteli is in nothwest part of country. alot of death there during `conflict`. it was either support a regime that is killing its own people or let another one take over that wants to help kill our people. live in ur bubble no thinkin there was no threat. reagan took no chances. just as the russians werent. fuck ortega and fuck nicaragua. and evil man runnin an evil country. soon it will be a narco country similar to the way noriaga ran pananma. watch
@NYOLSKOOL Or maybe it will become a narcostate similar to US backed Columbia. You clearly have a very fucked up concept of democracy. I would suggest that you need to take a look at YOUR history books. If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that you're the one living in a bubble. I have not been "copy and pasting shit from the internet," if you want the sources for the quotations I'll gladly provide you with them.
@goddedme u just got disdain for america. the greatest counrty in the fukn world. and as far as colombia, we sending money there to help gov hold back another marxist group FARC. shit, w/ no more soviet help they need to go into narco to fund themselves. chavez is there only hope. god bless america...the ONLY true democracy in the world...
@NYOLSKOOL I have several friends from the US, my biggest heroes are all from the US, and so are my favourite bands. So yeah, I have disdain for America :P Besides which, I can see how it got so democratic, what with your jingoistic support for even your country's most undemocratic foreign policies, and your utter contempt for the basic tenets of democracy. And FYI it's clearly not working; Latin America has moved distinctly to the Left in recent years, what with the Pink Revolution and all.
@goddedme u smart. i see this. bok smart. hppy 4 ya. for real. i aint guna get into it w/ u, cause i aint up on al policies. but i do know all govs are corruptable. USA is the hardest to corrupt. yeah, we got CIA , NSA. and we need em. cause most govs want USA gone. I say let CIA do whatever needs to be done. haha. i dont know half the fukn words u used. but CIA is the shit. and yeah, all latin america is going left, cause they cant go to USA nomore. i hope u makin something w/ how smart u r....
@NYOLSKOOL It seems to me, that we all have an obligation to learn as much as we can, because if you say to me (for example) Reagan did this, or global warming that, or try and discuss any of the contentious issues in the world today, and I have that little piece of info that makes you think "shit, that doesn't fit, I've been wrong" then how would you respond to that? If we're to have a valid opinion on anything, we need to try and learn as much as we can.
@NYOLSKOOL It seems to me, that we all have an obligation to learn as much as we can, because if you say to me (for example) Reagan did this, or global warming that, or try and discuss any of the contentious issues in the world today, and I have that little piece of info that makes you think "shit, that doesn't fit, I've been wrong" then how would you respond to that? If we're to have a valid opinion on anything, we need to try and learn as much as we can.
@goddedme So anyway, quite apart from anything else, the argument that your government, or one of its agencies, should be allowed to do anything in defence of the state seems to me to be morally bankrupt. No doubt when China send in paramilitary, or give aid to countries with questionable human rights, etc. you would not hesitate to criticise them, (quite fairly) and it seems to me that if you don't apply to that your own country then it is sheer hypocrisy.
@goddedme lookin back to ur other posts, u mention that carter was a `so called liberal` that shows me u really on the left. my statement of cia was just to show that we too, need covert ops around this crazy world.. i stated that many gvs want us ruined. and they do their own covert ops against us. this aint `its a wonderful life`. it is ` a dog eat dog world`..and many dogs want to eat us.
@NYOLSKOOL First off, I don't think it's such a bold statement to say that Carter was not in any sense a liberal; the historical record should certainly disabuse anyone of that notion. He gave arms to the dictator Suharto in Indonesia, started the dismantling of OHSA, appointed Samuel Huntington as Coordinator of Security Planning (he was a staunch conservative on Vietnam and immigration), and his administration's key roles were taken by members of the Trilateral Commission.
@NYOLSKOOL The Trilateral Commission warned against "an excess of democracy" in the wake of the 60s and advised steps to "deter the threat of democracy." As I say, Carter's key positions were taken by Commission members, such as Carter himself, his Vice-President, Secretary of State, Defense and Treasury, and its Director Zbigniew Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor. And this was a liberal regime? The very idea is indicative of how the media purposefully constrains our discussions.
Respond to this video... And yes, I'm to the Left, although our political spectrum is based on how people sat on benches during the French Revolution : / how applicable it is to modern politics is debatable. Either way, I wasn't brought up (indoctrinated) in a Lefty household; like a lot of people in Britain my family believe that the government should help people but they also have little time for socialism. Then again, polls since 60s in America have showed similar public attitudes.
Respond to this video... Over 90% of respondents want health reform, for example, while over 50% believe that the country is run by and for the interests of a wealthy elite. They're are running America into the ground; explain to me how it is that the American economy is simultaneously doing badly (the dollar is down against the pound, for example) and yet it is also the worlds most powerful? American companies are doing fine, while the average American struggles to get by.
@goddedme 90% want health reform??..haha..not in US pal. that shit is guna be repealed. what makes US the greatest country is CAPITALISM. what u make U KEEP. less taxes so gov can run. isnt that y we fought u guys back in revolution. LESS gov. we the people can produce our own industry and commerce. we have more oppotunities becuase of capitolism. when we spoke earlier about nicaragua, i can see the need for more gov. they have limited resourses to expand, individually.
Respond to this video... Starting from the basis that 40% of the world's wealth is owned by 1% of the population, it seems obvious to me that the official story of what's going on is false. And from there, we can start to get an accurate position of what's going on. Now if this seems overtly Left as a worldview, it is, but if it makes you feel any better I think that Marxists are idiots and Chavez is a dictator too, but from a socialist standpoint.
@ArodWingfoot Wait, he created 20 million new jobs which put an end to the children growing up in poverty? At the same time? How could they grow up in poverty if they weren't impoverished? Think about this. Don't immediately fall back on dogmatic talking points and random facts about his radio broadcast days on conservapedia or whatever.
@EucharistOfHypnos He certainly didn't end it by giving arms to the mujahideen. I can't imagine that made Russian planners think about stepping down the arms race.
@ArodWingfoot Where's your evidence that supports the insane idea that he "ended the cold war?" You can't just dance around saying "I HAVE EVIDENCE," because I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit of evidence that, say, Solidarity in Poland and Gorbachev had more to do with it than Reagan's TV spots and saber rattling. That rattling did, however, convince the Russians to build the nuclear dead hand, Perimeter, which is still active today. Also, explain how "trickle down" isn't horseshit.
@elphantasmogoro Did you also know he survived Skin Cancer? He was the oldest man elected to president and also quite the comedian. He even admitted that the country being in such a bad state because for many years he was a democrat.
@ArodWingfoot Why would they do it? They sent in the Chicago Boys to open up Chile's economy to neoliberalism. They were worried that Chile was becoming too independant, and this would inspire neighbouring countries to do so. Thus they would lose a significant portion of the "grand area" that postwar planners such as George Kennan talked about. The fact that the CIA did this is indisputable; their motives can be argued about, but tbh they're stated pretty openly in documents released since.
@elphantasmogoro Greedy rich people want to destroy the country that allows them to be rich. . . .kind of like how someone would stab and burn a heart transplant to be given to them knowingly. . . .
The person who is the charismatic face of leadership isn't always the person running the place.
The majority of people are not ultra wealthy so when the country becomes objectively worse for the vast majority in order to fund the ultra rich, it would be rational to say that they were 'ruining' the country, as it becomes less habitable on average.
Ronald Reagan, the best president of the USA
BETTER THAN JIMMY CARTER AND BARACK OBAMA!
FSXTheGreat 1 day ago
If you look at Ronald Reagan's legislative record, he didn't do a lot. He raised taxes more than any President before him with that payroll tax that taxes working Americans twice. He was lucky to be there when the cold war was coming to an end. People give him too much credit claiming he "single-handedly ended the cold war.
Rayvyn007 1 week ago
This guy was awesome it's to bad the republicans are smearing his memory to suit there agendas
anamarvelo 1 month ago
@anamarvelo You mean the RINO party.
Nationofhonor 1 month ago
@Nationofhonor im sorry i don't get the joke
anamarvelo 10 hours ago
God damn America.....arrogant arseholes...
shotsky94 1 month ago
Reagan was fantastic. The greatest President in my lifetime. I haven't seen anything like it since 1988.
Chris6134 1 month ago
obama is illigitimi minimus
TrishaDishaWarEagle 2 months ago
Ronaldus Maximus!!!
TrishaDishaWarEagle 2 months ago
My favorite joke of all time. I was 18 when he said that. Maybe he forgot to push the button ^_^
Chris6134 2 months ago
OUTLAW CHINA !
bridgetbishop 3 months ago
wow, so hilarious...
getupjumpy 4 months ago
I love this guy.
evanboy12 4 months ago 3
Love him or hate him, the guy had a sense of humor.
Krosbryd 6 months ago 35
@Krosbryd Love him or hate him that guy fucked up the economy.
larryjlangan 3 months ago
@larryjlangan Dumb idiot, the economy skyrocketted shortly after he took office because of his 15/25/35 plan. Everything was great. How old are you, did you even live during the Reagan era, or are you just repeating crap you heard from professors?
Todd82TA 3 months ago
@Todd82TA Reagan was the best president ever! May god watch over him in heaven, and long live the GOP!
schreiber12345 3 months ago
@Todd82TA if by skyrocketted you mean he began a sharp upward trend of debt that leveled off during Clinton's presidency before shooting ever higher during Bush's years, then yeah, the economy skyrocketted, and our future obligations with it. just saying, i happen to like the man but everyone has their faults.
DDDeaner1013 2 months ago
@Krosbryd ---he sure did. And his Presidency is looking better and better each year
loyaldude10 1 month ago
Obama needs to outlaw Iran
DimensionsofChange 7 months ago 17
@DimensionsofChange Just a sec - I thought Iran will outlaw Israel?
GlenRoSSe69 2 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69 The whole of the world outlawed Israel a long time ago, they just don't have the means/balls to start dropping bombs. God help us when Iran finally does. Then. We are fucked.
SpellboundSolution 2 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69 I think the majority of humans have already outlawed those who don't recognize the rights of other's to exist. Not that everyone in Israel is a saint (Jewish saints? No there's a confusing thought).
DimensionsofChange 2 months ago
@DimensionsofChange I think the majority of humans have already outlawed those who don't recognize the rights of other's to exist. " How could that be true - The Jews would not allow the world to allow the Germans to have there own nation unto themselves. Yes the Lie of so called "Israel" - "Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew."(1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3). As you can see its all fake - quite a shame.
GlenRoSSe69 2 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69 Look dude. I really don't wanna have an Israel debate right now. Why don't you go bitch about what the zionists are doing elsewhere. Or how bout this, you put your energy into doing something productive, like outlawing Bashar al-Assad
DimensionsofChange 2 months ago
@DimensionsofChange - Bashar al-Assad - why? he is a great leader!! Maybe if NATO and the MoSSad would leave him alone and stop arming and paying people to cause shit - he would be more happy :O)
GlenRoSSe69 2 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69 Are you a troll?
DimensionsofChange 2 months ago
@DimensionsofChange How could I be a troll? I am not a Israeli?
GlenRoSSe69 2 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69 I rest my case
DimensionsofChange 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
you don't seem to understand the difference between GDP and state budget: the GDP is the worth, in $, of what is produced in an economy. The state budget is what the state is actually spending. (usually, the budget is around 20-30% of the GDP, compare with the wikipedia for "United States federal budget" (hotlinking doesn't work somehow)).
And you think the military is fighting for your freedom with the GI's stationed in Germany? In Italy? Abu-Ghraib? Guantanamo?
SantouryuRoronoa 9 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa Oh, CERTAINLY NOT! They're JUST WAITING for OBAMA to give the order to INVADE OURSELVES!
alexp8654 7 months ago 2
@TumisHumis
First things first: of course the government can make moral choices for you: the moment any government gets rid of for example death penalty, it makes a choice. Governments can even do moral choices against you: in France, the government got rid of death penalty when most of the people were still for it...
Ot the government could pass a law making it illegal for you to pass by a traffic accident without applying first help and calling an ambulance (it's like that out here too...)
SantouryuRoronoa 9 months ago
@hoyt596 thanks! My pleasure to try and compare the American view of things with the European one... Bloody hell, loads of differences (and, by the way, I did answer to the posts of NYOLSKOOL, but I did that through private messaging).
SantouryuRoronoa 9 months ago
He says we treat our own people like dirt! We are the most charitable nation on the planet. In BOTH personal charity and Tax dollars being sent overseas and to our own citizens. What has Germany EVER done for another people but bring 2 world wars? Do they even give charity to each other ? Or do they say "The government will do it"?
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
God bless ya Reagen
cewolfen 11 months ago
first off i never said people here get complacent cause of ss, i said cause of welfare. ss is earned. welfare is not. im tired. ill get into it tomorrow w/ u. i peeped ur home page. u a computer scientest. do u know how much money u would make in USA. but then u would have to give close to 50% in taxes. i respect ur opinion. but we def differ. to be continued...
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
Always one with a witty remark - happy 100th to the Great Communicator!
simpsonsfan2007 11 months ago
haqppy 100th birthday today.
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL Yes, H.B. Gipper!
I like all you've written below.
hart70 11 months ago
I remember when he did this...LOL!!!
A Pres w/ a semse of humor was a pleasant thing. If you didn't think this was funny, just go find a sense of humor and try again.
noreeaster 11 months ago
what, we dont have welfare, ss.unemployment assistance here. there needs to be limits on what gov spends and `enforces`. we have over 300 million peopel here. germany has less than 100 million. free market thrives with numbers. gov cant `provide` for that many people. we have the strongest economy due to individual wealth. competitative will. and the risks and rewards of trying to succeed. playing ur hand the best u can. its a great feeling..,and yeah..im been at bottom before..more than once..
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL you think it's a matter of scale? Ask any mathematician working in such a place and he will tell you: the more people subscribe, the easier it gets (it evens out the odd cases, so there is less room for error). It means more people get sick and more people pay, very easy to solve. That you have the strongest economy... I don't think the explanation would be something that holds in 500 characters, much less in 2 lines.
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL part 2:
But to say people get complacent because of social security is stupid: it's simply not enough to really enjoy yourself,so of course you are still motivated to find a job. It justs insure you get to live as a human being(roof over your head, warm food etc)whatever the case. And to say people get complacent because of medical security... that's the most irrational thing I ever heard. Get into the 21st century at last,America! In Germany we've had social security since the 1870s!
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa ok so u say it is easier for a socialist society w/ more people? ask a mathamatician this..half our workin population makes 35k or less, yet they pay less than 3% in taxes.u say the more people that subscribe the easier it is to work. BUT not everyone makes the same money. so it is not possible. who do u think pays for welfare/free meical now? once again, the majority that pays is the top 10-20% earners. not the bottom 50%. as im writing this i just heard obama on tv say we
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa have the largest `middle class` in the world. thats no secret. but it is the wealthy that substains most our public services.and they want to take more from them. i can see ur method work if everyone made the same money. but that is the beauty of capitolism. u r rewared what u make. ur ideas, to prospure in ur endeavures. to compete. not to sit on ur ass collecting some gov hand out. to me gov first priority is to protect our nation. so we need to spend in military. and we do
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa infrastucture is another big thing for gov. and i dare to say we have the best in place. same as milatary. but look what happened when gov got involved in banking w/ fannie mae/ freddy mac b.s. tellin banks to lower standards and risks and demand the loan money to high risk people. that began our mini collapse. not everyone needs to `own` a home. and certainly not everyone can afford one. thats just fed gov. then we need to weed thru state govs. we do ahve some probs w/ big biz
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa but those probs would be better than probs w/ big gov.when nader pushed for autos to have seat belts back in 60`s it was a good thing. but when think hard, it is gov that is makin us wear seat belts.same w/ tobaco comps. they lied about affects of smoking. and what did gov do? they just implimented ridiculous taxes on cigs. so it is either big biz or big gov. pick ya poison. big biz employs more people. big gov wants to control what u do or make. the staple of our constitution
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa is small gov. `we the people`. i feel for peep that arent doing good. but it is bound to be. we can not help everyone. no way. and y should someone who built a biz from ground up be responsible for those who r less fortunate? we r in 21 century here. we r beacon of what most countries want to be. to be the best U can be. health care to me is a sticky situation. i agree we need to make some adjustments there. but we have so many gov funded handouts it is getn ridiculous.
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL sorry for the response time, was a bit busy over here. First off, what is your definition of welfare? I'll give you mine and then we can see whether our definitions differ. Social security: financial and other assistance given to people in need. Welfare: medicare, social security (is a part of the welfare state i think), etc... The fact that it (social security) is necessary is clear I hope:
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL you can be very unlucky in your life, without necessarily doing something wrong, so this "welfare" is there to insure that no matter what happens, you get to live as a human being. Why do I think it should be done by the state and not some other institution? Because obviously the state is the best equipped for it: it's easy to expand the existing tax infrastructure to cash in a little more and redistribute to those in need.
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL It is also better to do it through the state than through another institution because the government is neutral: it is only the long arm of the people and not out there to make profit. As such there are many institutions in place to control it (rousseau developped an idea of "separation of powers": executive, legislative and judicative). Seeing as the US is the oldest democracy still in place today,
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
it still has a few problems in that direction (with all due respect of course: the founding fathers were without doubt great people, but they simply couldn't anticipate events that have taken place since). One of the problems would be for example, that the supreme court judges get "chosen" by the president, which is an obvious breach of the separation of powers (but don't worry, in France it's the same for example).
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL These mechanisms would stop any government from doing funny stuff with the acquired data.
Of course I think too, that the job of the government includes defending the country and it's interests, but what the US does is pushing it too far: you know what the annual defense budget is??? That's 663 billion $ for the department of defense + 654 billion in other spendings, bringing the total to about 1,2 trillion dollars.
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL That's about as much as what the ten next countries spend; in % of GDP, that's double of what every other western country has. (of course, there are exceptions such as israel, forget about those)
When I see the US throwing that money away, it really annoys me to see that you treat your own people like dirt, using as a sole excuse "well capitalism: tough luck, you had your chance",
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL when it would cost a fraction of what you pay for the military (perhaps the next aicraftcarrier could wait a few years and instead you could give the poor people on the streets some chance to have a roof over their heads?).
Of course infrastructure is a big thing for government: but that's not really the point. Even though I think your's isn't doing very well in that either: 65 mph on the highways??
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa We spend less than 5% of our GDP on the military. Far more is wasted in social programs, YOU put a roof over your head, no one else should be obligated.
TumisHumis 10 months ago 2
@TumisHumis If anyone should have a roof put over their head, it should be the men and women of our military. Anyone that fights for our freedom has my respect.
GoodJobGuy 9 months ago
@TumisHumis 5% of our GDP sounds small, but consider that it's 48% of the combined sum of money spent by all countries everywhere on their military... combined.
We should put more of that money into the research and development of new technologies, not war.
Should parents kick their kids out at 18? they have just as much legal obligation to house you then as you do to house a hobo. The reason they do is because of a MORAL obligation, the same obligation we have to our fellow Americans.
hoyt596 9 months ago
@hoyt596 MORAL obligations are choices YOU make. No one can make MORAL choices for you (the government)
TumisHumis 9 months ago
@TumisHumis
Yes it can, that's what government is.
getupjumpy 4 months ago
@getupjumpy Good heavens, you're crazy.
Lazyguy22 3 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL What is that, a joke? Your passenger trains are still from the 60's even though you have such a huge potential for those (big cities, that are pretty near (mainly on the west and east coasts)).
Which brings me to my last point: you were mentionning me being a computer scientist and you said I would probably pay 50% of taxes in the US. Frankly, I have no problems with that:
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL I simply wouldn't be able to look into my mirror if I got to keep everything and letting less fortunate people not be able to get an organ transplant for financial reasons.
Let's have a look at my paycheck:
for every 10$ is earn here, the state keeps 2$ for himself in imcome taxes, I pay 1$ for social security, about another dollar in medical insurance and into my retirement fund.
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL I get to keep about... 2/3. This looks like few social costs, but my employer pays another third of them: meaning it's about 2$70cents for every 10 dollars I earn that go to other people right now (seeing as I have a job, am not sick and am not retired yet), considering the government does something else with my money.
As you can see, your argument of "chose your poison" is easily countered: the state is not a poison seeing as it answers to the people, can be taken to court etc...
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL But there are ways of making them pay a bit for the well being of the people (you know that apple has about 40 billion $ in it's "war treasury", hard cash, stand february 2010? I think it's unfair to the employees and the USA as a whole).
And saying that the USA is a beacon of what most countries want to be... is true in many regards, but I wouldn't trade my german citizenship for an american one in a lifetime:
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa haha..thats more than a mouthfull..give me some time to re-but this..man u would be maing bank here :)
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL hey dude, I'm the one writing exams here and yet you don't find the time? Make an effort ;-)
Looking forward to commenting you again
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa haha..been a little busy visting NYC, so im not couped up in the jungle..but i will be returning to the jungle soon and will be sure to reply to ur comments. i see u just posted 3 hours ago. im just checking all my mail. Dont worry, im not running away..u will here from me soon..and it will be good ;)
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa Criticizing the USA for the Defence spending that ENABLED the Europeans to grow their welfare state while WE were defending their ASSES from the Soviets for more than 40 years. THEY didn't have to spend on the military very much because of us. Even as Canada doesn't have to either, knowing full well we have their back.
He puts so much faith in government to do the right thing, coming from a country that gave the world the SOCIALIST NAZIS. .
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa Wow! We see the welfare state at work here in all major cities, reliance on government handouts, drugs, crime, degraded housing projects (gov.run). The democrats have historically taken the black man from slavery to segregation to welfare. In all 3 cases ruling over them to varying degrees! From FDR to LBJ to BHO, using government hand outs and redistribution of money to buy their votes and keep them enslaved to government (under the democrats).
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa As for Social Security & Medicare, he equates to the same as the above welfare. I agree that it's part of the welfare state, but for the middle class primarily, and working people paid into it their entire working lives. This is another way for even working americans to be dependant on gov. I am opposed to the money pit of both which are going bankrupt as we speak
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa I would like personal retirement accounts and medical saving accounts that the individual controls and can leave to their family if they pass away. But even that on a volunteer basis, not coerced by gov.
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa This guy simply doesn't understand FREEDOM as we Americans do and I don't think he ever will or can with his entitled mindset.
In the end though he admits virtually ALL advancements that even he personally benefits from come from the private sector with capitalism not government, NOT Germany.
I guess HE rests our case for us!
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa I had to enlist someone who was more knowledgeable to answer ur opinions. U too smart for me. But after reading what this person wrote, i was able to see the big picture. I have respect for ur intelligence. So i know debating w/ u would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. And that I know is stupid. Respect.
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa That was the most mature youtube debate I have ever seen. America needs more people like you.
hoyt596 9 months ago
Those who dislike this video have no sense of humor - which means they're liberals.
Cojer52 11 months ago
Well people,I'm from Germany and it always is fascinating to read american opinions:You really believe it is not a fundamental right to always have the best chances of survival?How much for an organ transplant when you have no medical insurance?If you sell your house, maybe you can afford it. America is supposed to be the country of positiveness (with the american dream and all that),but you can't even imagine someone to be out of luck?To have cancer with 40?This person deserves a chance to live
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
@SantouryuRoronoa u live in fantasy land. not everything is equal. not everyone is equal. you live w/ the hand u are dealt. and i consider being born in america a good hand. thats just the way it is. and from there you need to play ur hand to the best of ur ability. some will prosper, some will fail. nothing equal about it. some people become presidents and some dig ditches. life is what u make it. u stand or u fall. that is the american dream. not some gov handout. and in the end we all die..
NYOLSKOOL 11 months ago
@NYOLSKOOL Now that's what I'm talking about:Everyone gets to live according to some standards(we call human rights)which include the right to live(in Germany, that's article #2 of the Grundgesetz)regardless of the"hand you are dealt with". When you are well and have a job, you pay social/medical security, when you are sick/lose your job, people who once got your money will pay you back, that's the basis of the welfare state and it's the duty of government to enforce it. It works very well here!
SantouryuRoronoa 11 months ago
and did it on my own. no gov help. we have services in place to help others. medicad,ss,food stamps etc. and u want more. it makes people complaciant. not hungry (work). people think w/out healthcare people cant get medical help. we have plenty of public hospitals. u walk in, u get taken care of. but to demand that u have some kind of insurance is a gov take over of private sector. and if u take too much from that 10% and they shut down..well thats the end of US.
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
and in US the 2% richest pay more than 65% of taxes. 10% pay close to 90% taxes. what more do u wana take from them. and do realize how many jobs those people generate through their companies. socialism looks good on paper. but in real time it is not posible. not in US. we have to many options. i feel the colapse of economy is population growth. the world is gettin to small w/ too many people. i dunno. i aint no rich guy. my education is limited. but i was able to provide a buisness that thrived
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
nicaragua is wasteland. the people there r sheep. the infrastructure isnt worth a shit. nevr has been. the have been at war w/ each other for over 50 years. somoza was evil. so is ortega. no good will come out of nicaragua. they are now a marxist country. my ex twat showed me her history books. total bulshit. total fabricatin on waht the US is. back in 80 revelution was was taking over el salvador. nicaragua was the next to go. 80% of people live out in middle of nowhere. easily manipulated by
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL any regime that wants to take power. they have no resourses of any value. danny o just be kissin ass to get funds. hes talkin w/ pres of iran. hes askin us for aid in fightin drugs. if not for the cold war, we wouldnt give a fuck about nicaragua. and the generations that have come since HATE usa. they are taught from 1st grade. ahh the power of knowledge + mis information =sheep, wandering aimlessly. between 80-89 some 25k people died, both contras & sandanistas. i guarantee since 90
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
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elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
lol, that joke nearly started WW3 because it was accidentaly aired live
ww2footage 1 year ago
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christopherm2k 1 year ago
YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT CARTER NOR REAGAN NOR ANY OF THE PRESIDENTS THAT CAME AND RULED YOUR COUNTRY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT U WEATHER U LIVE OR DIE OR LEAVE THE WHOLE NATION WITHOUT MONEY! THEY ARE ALL PUPPETS IN THE MASONS HANDS WHO INTEND TO RULE THE WORLD. READ ABOUT THEM AND EVERYONE WILL GET IT. YOU PPL ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THEIR POWER GROW BY GENERATING FEAR BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER WHICH TOTALLY SATISFY THEM! YOUR COMING ONCE TO THIS LIFE! WHY SHOULD U GET PLAYED? THUMBS UP IF TRUE!
joeanthony88 1 year ago
@joeanthony88 Right, and the magical kingdom of flying Tauren are being invaded by lvl 67 gnolls who are secretly being controlled by the mythical kingdom of Atlantis.
Go back to sleep now silly Liberal.
Scotish223332 1 year ago
Я рад сказать, что мы начнем бомбардировку города Детройт в пять минут. Никто не будет заботиться
christopherm2k 1 year ago
@christopherm2k Детройт разбомбили любом городе.
magich8ball 1 year ago
Reagan was great ! That was one of my favorite jokes back in 1983 !!
Chris6134 1 year ago
Reagan was an actor who played a president whilst greedy people got on with the real work of destroying the country. What a great American!
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Yet when he was in office he created 20 million new jobs and oversaw the longest period of peacetime expansion.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot That was Clinton and not Reagan. The first 2 years of Reagan were marked by insanely high unemployment.
TheDudefromSomewhere 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot He cut funding to essential services under the guise of 'starving the beast' of the federal government, then blamed their lack of performance on incompetence, rather than funding. These services were deregulated, privatised and became money sinks with monopolistic markets while the deficit exploded. He ignored the spread of AIDS, backed Central American Death Squads, created the more farcical elements of the war on drugs and sold weapons to terrorists but baby boomers got jobs so..
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Crated 20 million new jobs, ended the cold war. Privatized businesses always do better than government ones, so good thing they got privatized. The spread of AIDS, he couldn't have any affect on, he didn't back up death squads, if the war on drugs is false then how come drug runners ki8ll people daily? He didn't sell weapons to terrorist he sold weapons to people fighting for their rights but those weapons where stolen by terrorist. Get your facts right please and thank you.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot The hysteria about communism created the jobs and created long term problems for manufacturing that couldn't be sustained, Privatised healthcare, hopstials and the deregulated banking system are not doing well for anyone except the ultra rich and privatised military isn't doing so well either. He ignored AIDS, as it was supposedly a 'gay disease'. Education could've stopped the spread, but it was only killing gays so it was let to run rampant until it was too late to contain.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Death Squads? Howabout installing Pinochet in Chile and allowing his army to commit incredible atrocities? His administration sold weapons to and is rumoured to have trained the Mujahadin. So every single point I've brought up is easily found and pretty much common knowledge. I could go on. Howabout when troops from an allied nation raped American nuns and he turned a blind eye to it? His disgusting and racist foreign policy? I have my facts. You have rose tinted glasses.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro All you people do. a president steps up and you blame him for your shit.
You know what? If you are not brain washed you would know that without this guy you wouldn't be alive because your ass would have never been born thanks to the invention of Nuclear Weapons.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
@shadowhunter388 Much like poeple are blaming the current president for problems that have been simmering away and waiting to boil over for decades. But that's different, right?
I'm not brainwashed by US politics. Partially because I'm not American. I likely would've been born without the invention of nuclear weapons and Reagan didn't invent nuclear weapons. That was the Manhattan Project in WW2. This dude named Einstein was involved. People think Reagan was a nuclear physicist as well now? wow
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro I never said Reagan invented the Nuclear Bomb. I said you wouldn't be alive if he wasn't president.
He is the one who helped with Gorbachev to make sure they didn't nuke the shit out of each other.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro I'll just spell it out for you, Chile, is not America. Mujahidin was the Afgans fighting against their russian occupiers, so he gave them weapons. At that point we where not enemies with them, and noone could of foreseen that we would become enemies with them. Never heard about the American Nun story so please provide information so I can look it up. Policy that mafe Russia back down from their aggressive stance. Without him all of Europe would be speaking russian.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Chile is Chile. A place where American intervention installed a dictator who committed incredible atrocities and that dictator was supported by US official policy. The Mujahidin were given training and weapons BEFORE the invasion specifically to illicit an aggressive reaction from Russia and your European Russia assertion is wild speculation. It was forseen that a well equipped, well trained guerilla group of religious zealots would become a problem. Not rocket science, there.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro No Chile is Chile, America has no influence on them, if they got a dictator, it was not anyones in America's fault, it was Chile's fault. No, they where given weapons, after the russians invaded to fight back. You have to remember at the time, they where not zealots, just people fighting for their homes. There is a big difference between that and a zealot.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Chile was a functioning country that was overthrown by a CIA funded coup because Allende was unwilling to deal with the US. It was planned, funded and carried out by US forces through local proxies. A good source is The Pinochet Files by Peter Kornbluh.
Russia were posturing but had not actually invaded. They needed Russia to be the aggressor in order to enter 'just war'. Mujahidin were hardline religious zealots before the war, they just served a purpose so a blind eye was turned.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Oh so Chile was the envy of the world until the coup overthrew the government? By what you are saying thats pretty much the case when in reality not so much. But the CIA... You do realize that the CIA can do things without presidential approval right? Supporting such a coup, being one of them.
No, they where in the country before we started sending them weapons. By the way, Reagan was not the one pushing to sell weapons to them, that goes to Charlie Wilson.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Chile were doing just fine. They were one of the few places in the area that were. Did they need to be a world superpower in order to be a decent place to live?
Look, I've tried to provide evidence for at least some of the things I've said, but every time I make a point you simply contradict it.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Then why would the CIA try to preform a coup if they where doing fine, not bothering anyone just being peaceful
If I can contradict your evidence then it isn't good evidence. You need to find something that is undeniably true, but it seems you can't.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot There is evidence that water is wet, but you can still contradict a statement to that effect, regardless of evidence. Your argument doesn't make sense.
Allende was unwilling to come to the table and give the US valuable resources for a low price, so the more cost effective solution was to place a leader who was a US ally. However, that is FAR too simplistic. There are and were many reasons why it would be beneficial to destabilise certain countries. You are simplifying everything.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Okay, now I think you might want to check yourself into a home, that comment doesn't hold any sanity.
So it would be cheaper to perform an op that if it went wrong it could cause a war between the US, and Chile which would divert millions, or dollars and possible cost many American lives? Yeah that makes alot sense.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
Ah... so the US has never purposely destabilised a region, created unnecessary hostilities and lost many American lives in order to gain something? Never? Not even once?
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro I havn't said that, but you claim that it is done on a regular basis for no good reason other than the president and congress being bored.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
No, I specifically said that it is done to further US interests. Be it for resources, strategic placement of military assets, removal of perceived threats or any other reason. The Vietnam war springs to mind: The perceived threat of Communism.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro You mean the Vietnam war where North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and US had no part in until AFTER the invasion? It wasn't a perceived threat, it was a real threat it happened in Korea as well BTWYou should Thank God for Reagon because his polocies made Russia back down from it's aggresive stance.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
Oh and the Soviet era was ended by a group called Solidarity. The largest contributors to the end of the Soviet era were a bunch of polish people including the pope, an electrican named Lech Walesa and dock workers.
reagan's military spending did nothing but make the Soviets more edgy, causing them to set up a system called Perimeter; a dead-hand system that's more or less a Doomsday device that is active to this very day. Reagan taking credit from the Polish is despicable.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro The collapse of the soviet union was contributed by many to say it was only the polish is foolish, and I do notice how you are the only one who claims it.
Okay, I guess the whole fact that they stepped down from their very aggresive stance is nothing more than a mute point to you. All nuclear ships, carriers, subs, so forth have a so called "Doomsday" scenerio where if they loose contact with their command they launch weapons, every sub had this long before Reagan took office
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
Not only am I NOT the only person to claim it, there are books about it.
The doomsday device known as Perimeter was set up in direct response to Reagan.
Jesus, man... A few typos are fine, but you can't expect me to take you seriously if you don't know the word 'moot' and every post is riddled with spelling errors on top of the fact that you STILL have no evidence for your claims and contradict everything with strawmen and moon logic.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro There are books about it being Reagon's success.
Perimiter is no a single device it is a series of them. Humanity does not have the knowledge to deathstar the planet.
And all your statements are fueled by no evidence just your hatred of the greatest country on Earth. In the end it all comes down to would you rather live on your knees or die on your feet? Yeah I do have alot of typos, I can admit it. In the end, I couldn't care less if you took me seriously or not.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot This has to be a joke, right? You're trolling me now.
Perimeter is a dead-hand weapon and ensures total destruction of the human race. Remember the whole 'mutually assured destruction' thing? Yeah... for lack of a better term: Deathstar.
I have given evidence, I have no ill-will toward the USA and the claim its the best country is like saying that peanut butter is the greatest condiment.
The issue was less the typos, more the fact that you use words you don't know the meaning of.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro I'm not sure where you think our technology is at, but we don't have any single weapon that could destroy the human race.
You have yet to give solid evidence that the facts didn't deny.
I know the meaning of every word I use you just think so little of me you can't stand to see me, or likely anyone else for that matter, as an equal.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot The technology is called nuclear fission and we've had it since World War 2. 'Mutually assured destruction' was a term used all over the place when talking about both the US and Russia during the Cold War. Between the two nations, there were about enough nuclear weapons to destroy the earth a dozen times. You'd know this if you had any clue about the Cold War. Its common knowledge.
"You have yet to give solid evidence that the facts didn't deny." - This is not an English sentence.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro
Oh and I see many people as my intellectual equals or superiors. I'm no great mind. However, I'm not an idiot and you seem to be trying very hard to prove that you are.
Also: 'mute point' is not a common phrase. You were looking for 'moot point'. So no, you don't understand what you write and you more often than not can't even spell the name of the person you are defending.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro I know we have enough nukes to destroy all life on earth, but we don't have a single device that would destroy the world, that would take several dozen nukes to end all life, but there is no 1 single device that would end the world which is exactly what I said before you just can't seem to grasp the concept of 1 against several dozen.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
So if a gun has many bullets, each bullet is a weapon? You are the one not grasping simple concepts, here. The Soviet Perometer is an automatic defense system that acts as one weapon. If a strike is detected, it will launch some or all of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Think of it as one big gun that has enough bullets to destroy the earth several times. It only needs to be fired once and the dvice is a single 'weapon' with many nuclear missiles.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Well by your definition if I take 6 guns and fire them at the same time they are 1 weapon which they are not. Well America has the same system so I don't see what the big crying deal is, so long as we don't attack and they don't attack we'll be fine. They probably would of attacked if not for Reagan. No, in your gun scenario because if it fired once it wouldn't destroy the earth. You need a multitude of nukes working in unison to destroy the planet, there is no one weapon.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
I cannot believe that you don't understand this concept...
If you hooked 6 guns up to a single trigger, then the weapon would be a six barrelled gun. Anti-air guns often work on this idea. So please read this slowly: There is one trigger that shoots many missiles. This one trigger on a single mechanism constitutes one weapon.
The big deal is that the system was created in response to the actions of the Reagan administration. It wouldn't have existed under a competant leader.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro No if you hooked 6 guns up to a single trigger, its 6 guns set up to a single trigger, Like with battleship cannons, most have 3 barrels some had 2, but the fired simotaniously, but they fired seperate rounds so they where each individual weapons
ANd they had a similar system before Reagan came to office and we had a similar system, and still do now. The same concept of a devise has existed ever since Russia got Nuclear weapons.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot
Since this has turned into you just contradicting me without anything to back it up and an argument on the semantics of what constitutes a weapon, I'm going to end this here.
My last comment to you is that Reagan was an awful man who presided over a government that happily abused human rights and created both social and economic problems that we are still paying for today.
Believe it or don't. But stop celebrating a man who you know so little about, you can't spell his name.
elphantasmogoro 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Welll you have no evidence to back up your claims, where as I do. Created 20 million jobs and ended the cold war. Your idea of a problem seems to be warped. I won't believe it because you have absolutly no evidence to back up your claim, you just whine about all the good he did. I know a great deal about him actually, did you know he was at one time a sport radio broadcaster?
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot During his reign, fully a half of all black children in America grew up in poverty.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme Yet he created 20 million new jobs which help put an end to that.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot He killed plenty of people in Nicaragua, invaded Grenada, and claimed to be free-market despite giving massive subsidies to major US corporations. Waged war on OSHA. Appointed William Rehnquist as Chief Justice, who said the poor could be forced to pay for public education (because education was not "a fundamental right") Gave over a trillion dollars to the military in his first term of office, lowered the top rate of tax to 28%, losing $70 billion per annum in government revenue.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme So... who are you talking about? It can't be Reagan because revenue increased to the government, and he didn't murder the people of Nicaragua. You know this is why I try not to get into arguments over the computer, because I get untold amounts of comments that I can't possible respond to them all especially when they are filled with as much bs as yours is.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot So...I spent ten minutes writing a well-worded response, and you just say "Oh there's too many comments here, how can I respond?" There's a lot because he caused a lot of shit. And ok, he personally didn't kill lots of people, but it simply isn't possible to deny that he funded the Contras in Nicaragua, which I would have said if I were not limited to a certain amount of characters.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme It's all quite simple. I HAVE 30 COMMENTS TO THIS 1 VIDEO!!! Not to mention the other 50 in my inbox! You may have the time to waste answering all those but I don't!
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Well you should only reply to a comment if you feel moved to; if not, don't bother.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme Thats why I first commented on this video! Now people won't leave me alone because of it. Now if you'll excuse me, Good Day!
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
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@goddedme So... who are you talking about? It can't be Reagan because revenue increased to the government, and he didn't murder the people of Nicaragua. You know this is why I try not to get into arguments over the computer, because I get untold amounts of comments that I can't possible respond to them all especially when they are filled with as much bs as yours is.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@goddedme i wish he woulda killed my x girlfriend from nicaragua. that commie bitch. and them retards elect ortega AGAIN..amidst him raping a 14 year old girl. and they killed hundreds of christians back then..the sandinistas that is.
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL You're absolutely right, how dare they vote the wrong way in an election. Maybe the US should invade to rectify this, and teach them a good lesson about how democracy works in the West.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme yeah ok.he got voted in `the right way`..he controls the army up there. they were havin riots back in `08 in managua. fuckn guy is a dictator, plain and simple. in `09 he has a `summit` there w/ chavez and castros brother. 3 shinin examples dictators. try that shit in usa. aint guna happen. back in 80`s there was a real threat w/ this moron and reagan. russia was tryn to use him while they were getn their asses kicked in afghan and now his `term` is up..his wife is runin.she`ll win.hah
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL Robert Pastor Carters national security advisor for latin america explained the US had to support the murderous Somoza regime and when that failed to maintain the US-trained National Guard even though it was massacring the population "with a brutality a nation usually reserves for its enemy," as "The United States did not want to control Nicaragua or the other nations of the region...It wanted Nicaraguans to act independantly, except when doing so would affect US interests adversely."
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme Thats just Carter, a supposed liberal. Reagan funded the contras and prior to the 1990 election campaign Bush gave $9million in campaign contributions to Violetta Chamorro. The NY Times proclaimed a "Victory for US Fair Play". TIME praised the "happy series of democratic surprises" as "democracy burst forth" then explained that the methods used were to "wreck the economy and prosecute a long and deadly proxy war until the exhausted natives overthrow the unwanted government themselves."
goddedme 1 year ago
Respond to this video... With a cost to the US that is "minimal," leaving Nicaragua "with wrecked bridges, sabotaged power stations, and ruined farms," and thus providing the US-backed candidate with "a winning issue":ending the "impoverishment of the people of Nicaragua." These are the so-called liberal doves writing, and TIME correctly concluded that the only dividing issue between conservatives and liberals is "who should claim credit" in the free and fair election, without coercion
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme more than 25k died up there. this man was in exil. he was a common theif. trained in cuba in revolution. he succeded. keep copy and pasting shit from internet. i got boots on the ground down here. the place is a shit hole. turning out misguided people w/ misguided beliefs. in the world of politics there is much evil, but no doubt US is tthe lesser of all other nations. in esteli where my x is from they have a downed cia plane in town. a sign sits on top `welcome to esteli, home of inte
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@goddedme rnational airport. haha. assholes. esteli is in nothwest part of country. alot of death there during `conflict`. it was either support a regime that is killing its own people or let another one take over that wants to help kill our people. live in ur bubble no thinkin there was no threat. reagan took no chances. just as the russians werent. fuck ortega and fuck nicaragua. and evil man runnin an evil country. soon it will be a narco country similar to the way noriaga ran pananma. watch
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL Or maybe it will become a narcostate similar to US backed Columbia. You clearly have a very fucked up concept of democracy. I would suggest that you need to take a look at YOUR history books. If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that you're the one living in a bubble. I have not been "copy and pasting shit from the internet," if you want the sources for the quotations I'll gladly provide you with them.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme u just got disdain for america. the greatest counrty in the fukn world. and as far as colombia, we sending money there to help gov hold back another marxist group FARC. shit, w/ no more soviet help they need to go into narco to fund themselves. chavez is there only hope. god bless america...the ONLY true democracy in the world...
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL I have several friends from the US, my biggest heroes are all from the US, and so are my favourite bands. So yeah, I have disdain for America :P Besides which, I can see how it got so democratic, what with your jingoistic support for even your country's most undemocratic foreign policies, and your utter contempt for the basic tenets of democracy. And FYI it's clearly not working; Latin America has moved distinctly to the Left in recent years, what with the Pink Revolution and all.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme u smart. i see this. bok smart. hppy 4 ya. for real. i aint guna get into it w/ u, cause i aint up on al policies. but i do know all govs are corruptable. USA is the hardest to corrupt. yeah, we got CIA , NSA. and we need em. cause most govs want USA gone. I say let CIA do whatever needs to be done. haha. i dont know half the fukn words u used. but CIA is the shit. and yeah, all latin america is going left, cause they cant go to USA nomore. i hope u makin something w/ how smart u r....
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL It seems to me, that we all have an obligation to learn as much as we can, because if you say to me (for example) Reagan did this, or global warming that, or try and discuss any of the contentious issues in the world today, and I have that little piece of info that makes you think "shit, that doesn't fit, I've been wrong" then how would you respond to that? If we're to have a valid opinion on anything, we need to try and learn as much as we can.
goddedme 1 year ago
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@NYOLSKOOL It seems to me, that we all have an obligation to learn as much as we can, because if you say to me (for example) Reagan did this, or global warming that, or try and discuss any of the contentious issues in the world today, and I have that little piece of info that makes you think "shit, that doesn't fit, I've been wrong" then how would you respond to that? If we're to have a valid opinion on anything, we need to try and learn as much as we can.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme So anyway, quite apart from anything else, the argument that your government, or one of its agencies, should be allowed to do anything in defence of the state seems to me to be morally bankrupt. No doubt when China send in paramilitary, or give aid to countries with questionable human rights, etc. you would not hesitate to criticise them, (quite fairly) and it seems to me that if you don't apply to that your own country then it is sheer hypocrisy.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme lookin back to ur other posts, u mention that carter was a `so called liberal` that shows me u really on the left. my statement of cia was just to show that we too, need covert ops around this crazy world.. i stated that many gvs want us ruined. and they do their own covert ops against us. this aint `its a wonderful life`. it is ` a dog eat dog world`..and many dogs want to eat us.
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL First off, I don't think it's such a bold statement to say that Carter was not in any sense a liberal; the historical record should certainly disabuse anyone of that notion. He gave arms to the dictator Suharto in Indonesia, started the dismantling of OHSA, appointed Samuel Huntington as Coordinator of Security Planning (he was a staunch conservative on Vietnam and immigration), and his administration's key roles were taken by members of the Trilateral Commission.
goddedme 1 year ago
@NYOLSKOOL The Trilateral Commission warned against "an excess of democracy" in the wake of the 60s and advised steps to "deter the threat of democracy." As I say, Carter's key positions were taken by Commission members, such as Carter himself, his Vice-President, Secretary of State, Defense and Treasury, and its Director Zbigniew Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor. And this was a liberal regime? The very idea is indicative of how the media purposefully constrains our discussions.
goddedme 1 year ago
Respond to this video... And yes, I'm to the Left, although our political spectrum is based on how people sat on benches during the French Revolution : / how applicable it is to modern politics is debatable. Either way, I wasn't brought up (indoctrinated) in a Lefty household; like a lot of people in Britain my family believe that the government should help people but they also have little time for socialism. Then again, polls since 60s in America have showed similar public attitudes.
goddedme 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Over 90% of respondents want health reform, for example, while over 50% believe that the country is run by and for the interests of a wealthy elite. They're are running America into the ground; explain to me how it is that the American economy is simultaneously doing badly (the dollar is down against the pound, for example) and yet it is also the worlds most powerful? American companies are doing fine, while the average American struggles to get by.
goddedme 1 year ago
@goddedme 90% want health reform??..haha..not in US pal. that shit is guna be repealed. what makes US the greatest country is CAPITALISM. what u make U KEEP. less taxes so gov can run. isnt that y we fought u guys back in revolution. LESS gov. we the people can produce our own industry and commerce. we have more oppotunities becuase of capitolism. when we spoke earlier about nicaragua, i can see the need for more gov. they have limited resourses to expand, individually.
NYOLSKOOL 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Starting from the basis that 40% of the world's wealth is owned by 1% of the population, it seems obvious to me that the official story of what's going on is false. And from there, we can start to get an accurate position of what's going on. Now if this seems overtly Left as a worldview, it is, but if it makes you feel any better I think that Marxists are idiots and Chavez is a dictator too, but from a socialist standpoint.
goddedme 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Wait, he created 20 million new jobs which put an end to the children growing up in poverty? At the same time? How could they grow up in poverty if they weren't impoverished? Think about this. Don't immediately fall back on dogmatic talking points and random facts about his radio broadcast days on conservapedia or whatever.
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
@EucharistOfHypnos He certainly didn't end it by giving arms to the mujahideen. I can't imagine that made Russian planners think about stepping down the arms race.
goddedme 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Where's your evidence that supports the insane idea that he "ended the cold war?" You can't just dance around saying "I HAVE EVIDENCE," because I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit of evidence that, say, Solidarity in Poland and Gorbachev had more to do with it than Reagan's TV spots and saber rattling. That rattling did, however, convince the Russians to build the nuclear dead hand, Perimeter, which is still active today. Also, explain how "trickle down" isn't horseshit.
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Did you also know he survived Skin Cancer? He was the oldest man elected to president and also quite the comedian. He even admitted that the country being in such a bad state because for many years he was a democrat.
ArodWingfoot 1 year ago
@ArodWingfoot Why would they do it? They sent in the Chicago Boys to open up Chile's economy to neoliberalism. They were worried that Chile was becoming too independant, and this would inspire neighbouring countries to do so. Thus they would lose a significant portion of the "grand area" that postwar planners such as George Kennan talked about. The fact that the CIA did this is indisputable; their motives can be argued about, but tbh they're stated pretty openly in documents released since.
goddedme 1 year ago
@elphantasmogoro Greedy rich people want to destroy the country that allows them to be rich. . . .kind of like how someone would stab and burn a heart transplant to be given to them knowingly. . . .
Get real.
Scotish223332 1 year ago
@Scotish223332
The person who is the charismatic face of leadership isn't always the person running the place.
The majority of people are not ultra wealthy so when the country becomes objectively worse for the vast majority in order to fund the ultra rich, it would be rational to say that they were 'ruining' the country, as it becomes less habitable on average.
But good job on missing the point, there.
elphantas