It sounds like you're against in-vitro fertilization in the case of homosexuals, and surely surrogacy, in that they wouldn't be "owning up" to their inability to reproduce. Are you also against gays adopting for the same reason? And what do you propose should happen to children adopted by gay couples? Should they be removed legally like gay marriage? Also, I'm not seeing how sexual attraction is a choice; have you actively avoided wanted homosexual encounters in your everyday life?
@harrisonfong When did I claim that. Surely you was not listening about Invitro Fertilisation. But if it means that to have such programs for Same Sex Couples to have a child then expect that to be paid for by the Tax Payers. What then would you guess my opinion would be then. Some how you think having children is some right. Yet fail to see that Children are the future generations. My question of you would be who are you to determine Generations of Children on precieved Political Correctness
@Sipatbana Call me crazy but I'm more concerned about the rights of children to have parents than the rights of adults to have children. When you say I fail to see that "children are the future generations" are you saying that political correctness (in this case gay tolerance) would make kids more likely to be gay and not reproduce? Homosexuality is one of nature's ways of fighting overpopulation and this planet could use a break from rampant reproduction and anti-contraception.
@harrisonfong Oh I see Homosexuality is now a form to combat over population now Its Natures way. What a ridiciulous statement. Yes I am more concerned about the rights of children too On that we can agree. And that some children don't deserve the parents they have. And when has Political Correctness been tolerant. Demonstrate this too me as I have yet to see it work without it being hypocritical and intolerant towards common sense towards those it is to protect. say for example in workplace
@harrisonfong And funny enough I have a problem with people who want to be arbitrators on Population growth on this planet. Like for example the Chinese Govts One Child Policy towards Population and the ramifications behind it. Before you begin talking about Population Growth Harris be careful you do not cross the border of Eugenic Programs or State Sanctioning of Aborting Children as in the Case of the One Child Policy of China. Use of contraception is not a problem for birth control methods
@harrisonfong But in your rush to control Population Growth are you now suggesting that we base it on all forms of Birth Control incluuding state sanctioned abortions to control population growth. Or perhaps you might want to advocate State Sterilsation based on Eugenics like what Margeret Sangar advocated based on Race. I haven't a problem with Birth Control being used as in education tool (PILL and Condoms etc) But other forms of Birth Control well who and what arbitrates that now?
@Sipatbana You are aware straight couples adopt and seek artificial insemination? Are adoption and fertilization for straight couples who can't or prefer not to reproduce paid for by your taxes? Why should it be any different for gay couples? Who am I to "determine Generations of Children on precieved Political Correctness"? I don't know, an inhabitant of this planet? A voter in a society? A person who has concern for others?
@harrisonfong Yes I am very much aware that staight couple adopt or use Ferlitlisation to have children thank you but are you saying to me that Straight Couples suddenly decide to use a child as some type of trophy and political score point towards the children they adopt or have through fertliisation processes. As seems the case like Senator Penny Wong in retrosepect. Is it the case of raising or adopting children now seen as an enhancement of New Age Pottiical Correctness of sexuality now?
@harrisonfong And if you wonder about what I just said Why is it now a source to enhance one sexuality in having children in a relationship. As a Hetrosexual I for one never beat my chest Politically on Youtube or elsewhere proclaiming due to my sexuality I was abled along with my wife in having children in our family. It was not some type of Political trophy or enhancement as it seems with other Sexually orientated groups. What having kids is now a Trophy to display to ones sexuality now?
@Sipatbana When I mention adoption and artificial insemination, the first thing that enters your mind is they're just tools for gays to mooch your taxes and indoctrinate children. When I remind you they also apply to straight couples, you figure they must be to "enhance sexuality" or serve as a trophy. All this while you have children of your own? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree when it comes to the positivity of having children or giving gays equal treatment.
@harrisonfong Well explain the concept as I see that is exactly what I see That Children are being used as a type of trophy and not as a gift of God as they should be seen as. I know many couples (Straights) who after many attempts to have children by either adoption or artificially etc are so gratified to have a child. They do not in my opinion see it as a right but as a gift. Yes I agree we can agree to disagree. Doesn't lessen my thoughts nor does it lessen any positive opinion I have of you
@harrisonfong By the way Harris I do appreciate your opinion It is structured and respectful of others having an opinion. Thank you for your comments. Even though you and I disagree on the subject at hand I noticed that you was intelligent enough to debate logically without the use of profanity
@harrisonfong As yesterday speaking of rights of Children I witnessed first hand a so Called Mother who was obviously intoxicated assaulting her own child brutally. There is such a thing called discipline and at times Children need to be disciplined or corrected in their behaviour. What I saw yesterday as a Parent left a very bitter taste in my mouth. The Child in question was no more then 4 yrs old. I was horrified at the extend at which the mother beat her own child around the Head and body
@harrisonfong As I said before some Children don't deserve parents like the one I saw yesterday beating her own child in such a fashion. There is always discipline and as such this is done in love. But yesterday and it is still effecting me as I am still thinking about it Harris that this child in my opinion in his short life must have been brutallised many times by his own mother. Poor Little Man he is
@watgaanhieraan Are you saying that people don't now have control over every aspect of their own sexuality? Or are you looking for an excuse and can't own up to your own sexuality
@Sipatbana Yes that is exactly what I am saying, they have no control over the primal developements, they can tinker on the edges with their thoughts but that would be about as effective as reading poetry to a lion hoping that when it gets hungry it wont go for meat, and no my sexuality is very well established I just happen to be lucky that my sexuality conforms with the mainstream. But then again maybe I am lying, maybe deep down I like fat old guys like you.
@watgaanhieraan Oh you are happy with your sexuality and as such comfortable in that Good for you It is a choice that you are abled to maintain Good. But in closing you make reference that you or I could be secretly rampant homosexual in like fat old men well thats a bit strange I thought you was here to stand up for Gay Rights yet use insult to insinuate others may have gay tendanacies that you disagree with. Hmmm isn't that a form of Homophobia and you are not comfortable with your own choice
@Sipatbana I am not here to stand up for gay rights I dont give a toss about gay rights but I believe gays have no influence over the fact that they are gay and therefore I believe they should be treated as everybody else. I am comfortable with my own choice so in answer to your question I am really not interested but I hope you find peace and happiness no matter what you decide to do as concerns your sex life.
It sounds like you're against in-vitro fertilization in the case of homosexuals, and surely surrogacy, in that they wouldn't be "owning up" to their inability to reproduce. Are you also against gays adopting for the same reason? And what do you propose should happen to children adopted by gay couples? Should they be removed legally like gay marriage? Also, I'm not seeing how sexual attraction is a choice; have you actively avoided wanted homosexual encounters in your everyday life?
harrisonfong 2 months ago
@harrisonfong When did I claim that. Surely you was not listening about Invitro Fertilisation. But if it means that to have such programs for Same Sex Couples to have a child then expect that to be paid for by the Tax Payers. What then would you guess my opinion would be then. Some how you think having children is some right. Yet fail to see that Children are the future generations. My question of you would be who are you to determine Generations of Children on precieved Political Correctness
Sipatbana 2 months ago
@Sipatbana Call me crazy but I'm more concerned about the rights of children to have parents than the rights of adults to have children. When you say I fail to see that "children are the future generations" are you saying that political correctness (in this case gay tolerance) would make kids more likely to be gay and not reproduce? Homosexuality is one of nature's ways of fighting overpopulation and this planet could use a break from rampant reproduction and anti-contraception.
harrisonfong 2 months ago
@harrisonfong Oh I see Homosexuality is now a form to combat over population now Its Natures way. What a ridiciulous statement. Yes I am more concerned about the rights of children too On that we can agree. And that some children don't deserve the parents they have. And when has Political Correctness been tolerant. Demonstrate this too me as I have yet to see it work without it being hypocritical and intolerant towards common sense towards those it is to protect. say for example in workplace
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong And funny enough I have a problem with people who want to be arbitrators on Population growth on this planet. Like for example the Chinese Govts One Child Policy towards Population and the ramifications behind it. Before you begin talking about Population Growth Harris be careful you do not cross the border of Eugenic Programs or State Sanctioning of Aborting Children as in the Case of the One Child Policy of China. Use of contraception is not a problem for birth control methods
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong But in your rush to control Population Growth are you now suggesting that we base it on all forms of Birth Control incluuding state sanctioned abortions to control population growth. Or perhaps you might want to advocate State Sterilsation based on Eugenics like what Margeret Sangar advocated based on Race. I haven't a problem with Birth Control being used as in education tool (PILL and Condoms etc) But other forms of Birth Control well who and what arbitrates that now?
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@Sipatbana You are aware straight couples adopt and seek artificial insemination? Are adoption and fertilization for straight couples who can't or prefer not to reproduce paid for by your taxes? Why should it be any different for gay couples? Who am I to "determine Generations of Children on precieved Political Correctness"? I don't know, an inhabitant of this planet? A voter in a society? A person who has concern for others?
harrisonfong 2 months ago
@harrisonfong Yes I am very much aware that staight couple adopt or use Ferlitlisation to have children thank you but are you saying to me that Straight Couples suddenly decide to use a child as some type of trophy and political score point towards the children they adopt or have through fertliisation processes. As seems the case like Senator Penny Wong in retrosepect. Is it the case of raising or adopting children now seen as an enhancement of New Age Pottiical Correctness of sexuality now?
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong And if you wonder about what I just said Why is it now a source to enhance one sexuality in having children in a relationship. As a Hetrosexual I for one never beat my chest Politically on Youtube or elsewhere proclaiming due to my sexuality I was abled along with my wife in having children in our family. It was not some type of Political trophy or enhancement as it seems with other Sexually orientated groups. What having kids is now a Trophy to display to ones sexuality now?
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@Sipatbana When I mention adoption and artificial insemination, the first thing that enters your mind is they're just tools for gays to mooch your taxes and indoctrinate children. When I remind you they also apply to straight couples, you figure they must be to "enhance sexuality" or serve as a trophy. All this while you have children of your own? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree when it comes to the positivity of having children or giving gays equal treatment.
harrisonfong 1 month ago
@harrisonfong Well explain the concept as I see that is exactly what I see That Children are being used as a type of trophy and not as a gift of God as they should be seen as. I know many couples (Straights) who after many attempts to have children by either adoption or artificially etc are so gratified to have a child. They do not in my opinion see it as a right but as a gift. Yes I agree we can agree to disagree. Doesn't lessen my thoughts nor does it lessen any positive opinion I have of you
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong By the way Harris I do appreciate your opinion It is structured and respectful of others having an opinion. Thank you for your comments. Even though you and I disagree on the subject at hand I noticed that you was intelligent enough to debate logically without the use of profanity
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong As yesterday speaking of rights of Children I witnessed first hand a so Called Mother who was obviously intoxicated assaulting her own child brutally. There is such a thing called discipline and at times Children need to be disciplined or corrected in their behaviour. What I saw yesterday as a Parent left a very bitter taste in my mouth. The Child in question was no more then 4 yrs old. I was horrified at the extend at which the mother beat her own child around the Head and body
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@harrisonfong As I said before some Children don't deserve parents like the one I saw yesterday beating her own child in such a fashion. There is always discipline and as such this is done in love. But yesterday and it is still effecting me as I am still thinking about it Harris that this child in my opinion in his short life must have been brutallised many times by his own mother. Poor Little Man he is
Sipatbana 1 month ago
Do you honestly belief that people have control over their sexuality by way of conscious thought?
watgaanhieraan 2 months ago
@watgaanhieraan Are you saying that people don't now have control over every aspect of their own sexuality? Or are you looking for an excuse and can't own up to your own sexuality
Sipatbana 2 months ago
@Sipatbana Yes that is exactly what I am saying, they have no control over the primal developements, they can tinker on the edges with their thoughts but that would be about as effective as reading poetry to a lion hoping that when it gets hungry it wont go for meat, and no my sexuality is very well established I just happen to be lucky that my sexuality conforms with the mainstream. But then again maybe I am lying, maybe deep down I like fat old guys like you.
watgaanhieraan 2 months ago
@watgaanhieraan Oh you are happy with your sexuality and as such comfortable in that Good for you It is a choice that you are abled to maintain Good. But in closing you make reference that you or I could be secretly rampant homosexual in like fat old men well thats a bit strange I thought you was here to stand up for Gay Rights yet use insult to insinuate others may have gay tendanacies that you disagree with. Hmmm isn't that a form of Homophobia and you are not comfortable with your own choice
Sipatbana 1 month ago
@Sipatbana I am not here to stand up for gay rights I dont give a toss about gay rights but I believe gays have no influence over the fact that they are gay and therefore I believe they should be treated as everybody else. I am comfortable with my own choice so in answer to your question I am really not interested but I hope you find peace and happiness no matter what you decide to do as concerns your sex life.
watgaanhieraan 1 month ago