did jesse curry's car look any different from any other ordinary car? it's the motorcycles that lead the motorcade. they signal that the presidential limo is about to make an appearance.
you're grasping at straws. and you are also ignoring the many fine videos that painstakingly direct the Z film explaining each and every alteration, and proving it. apparently you are too lazy to watch them. here is a good one for anybody else who is interested:
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Again, your IQ betrays you. It was Jessie Curry who lead the motorcade. This isn't something that's debatable. In fact he lead the presidential limo to Parkland Hospital.
I'm well aware of the lunacy behind the Z-film alteration accusations. I guess that means Jim Garrison was wrong staking so much of his case with the Z-film as evidence of a conspiracy. What else was he wrong about?
I guess I was correct about the things peewits believe.
Regarding Jesse Curry...Go to the following video "The Dallas Police preparing for the visit of President Kennedy (English Version)" read the copy starting a 3:32.
You'll love the video. It's filled with conspiratorial innuendo.
a. you see how far ahead he was? and in a "command car" not a limo. did zapruder think THAT was the start of the motorcade? no. he did not film curry, did he. he started filming when the LEAD MOTORCYCLES rounded elm. didn't he.
and you cannot find one instance of zapruder ever saying he stopped filming from that moment on until the limo disappeared under the overpass.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood I don't know what Abe Zapruder was thinking and neither do you. I'm sure you're about to put more fabricated words into Zapruder's testimony though.
I suspect you were dissatisfied with the video I suggested regarding Jesse Curry leading the motorcade. I've have a better one that shows you don't know what you're talking about: Go to
JFK Assassination The Complete Robert Hughes Film Stabilized
At the 0:28 mark you'll see the camera pan to the left and there ahead of the motorcade is the white automobile with Jesse Curry. It appears at the 0:16 mark but I thought you'd find that view insufficient. You were wrong again!
you don't pay attention: i've already commented on that.
"you see how far ahead he was? and in a "command car" not a limo. did zapruder think THAT was the start of the motorcade? no. he did not film curry, did he. he started filming when the LEAD MOTORCYCLES rounded elm. didn't he.
and you cannot find one instance of zapruder ever saying he stopped filming from that moment on until the limo disappeared under the overpass."
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Sure... allot of those photos were taken on Monday morning that we see from the snipers nest - but here they show documents & photos clearly saying only 2 spent bullets were fired whokilledjfk. net/only_2_shells_found. htm ( you have to fix the spaces I put it in because youtube is a jerkoff kinda site.
excuse me but deputy roger craig WAS ON THE 6TH FLOOR MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING AND PERSONALLY SAW THOSE 3 SPENT CARTRIDGES LINED UP NEATLY IN A ROW ON THE WINDOW SILL.
those documents and photos were taken AFTER the fact. the DPD and FBI withheld evidence, ignored evidence, and altered evidence.
but regardless whether you believe that, roger craig was there on the spot AS THE EVIDENCE (including the MAUSER) was discovered.
"Mr. LIEBELER - As you stood there on this abutment with your camera, the motorcade came down Houston Street and turned left on Elm Street, did it not?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - And it proceeded then down Elm Street toward the triple underpass; is that correct?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's correct. I started shooting--when the motorcade started coming in, I believe I started and wanted to get it coming in from Houston Street."
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Exactly. Zapruder said he didn't stop filming. Yet there is a gap in the supposedly unedited Z film. To quote a documentary ' Evidence of Revision '
What they're not telling you in this video, is that someone was also spotted on the west end of the 6th floor and also on the 4th floor window. Misleading cable TV...
1. In at least one still photograph a second person is visible on the 6th floor of the TSBD at time of shooting.(also verified by at least one witness)
2. 7.5mm Mauser rifle (NOT carcanno) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD (verified by signed affidavit by a gun expert)
3. No one could identify Oswald as having travelled back home by bus despite what the W.C said
3b Oswald's palm print only 'found' on MC rifle after his death (planted?)
@funkmasterjee Oswald didn't take the bus home. He took a cab.
He got on the bus for a short distance and it was heading towards Dealey Plaza and into heavy traffic. Oswald got a transfer voucher from the driver which was still in his possession when arrested. The driver issues 2 transfer vouchers that day. Oswald was one of them. The Oswald palm print was found on November 22nd and he was still very much alive.
@autoad So why take a bus back to the scene of the crime ?? Oswald could not be that stupid? I concede you might be right on the date the partial palm print was lifted. (that still doesn't explain why a 7.65mm Mauser was also found) Whether Oswald was actually part of the conspiracy - I'm not sure. What I am certain of (and what is more important) is I am sure there WAS a conspiracy. I made several points regarding discrepancies and anomalies and most of them still stand
@funkmasterjee The so-called second person on the 6th floor has been analyzed and it's nothing more than "grain noise". It's an effect that becomes more visible as a frame from a movie is enlarged.
Sorry, but there's not a second person in the window on the 6th floor.
@autoad In the film they are looking at the wrong place. There was a second person at the WEST end of the 6th floor ....not next to the person in the so called 'sniper's nest'. There are witnesses that were on Houston street that confirm that. There is a photo on Youtube that shows a face at the western window
@autoad there is a film on youtube that shows the presence of a second individual. What would it prove? The 6th floor is open plan. The two men would have to be aware of each other. To think otherwise is ludicrous. That contradicts the Warren Report and proves a conspiracy. Have a look at ' Absolute Proof of JFK Assassination Conspiracy Part 1 ' on youtube
@funkmasterjee I'm going to disagree with you about the two men being aware of each other. The floor was filled with hundreds of cartons of books stacked 7 feet high. It was a maze of boxes and with the snipers nest built to shield Oswald from the elevator and staircase in the event someone were to come up on the 6th floor, it would have been very easy for both parties not to know the other was there. The "Absolute Proof" videos were posted by NeilCrouse. He's a loathsome, cowardly creature who
@autoad It would be IMPOSSIBLE for each party not to know of the presence of the other. (assuming that at least one fired at least one shot). Guns make loud noises autoad !
" I'm going to disagree with you about the two men being aware of each other... it would have been very easy for both parties not to know the other was there. "
OMG what a moron.
I THINK THE GUNSHOTS MIGHT HAVE GIVEN HIM AWAY, DON'T YOU?
@funkmasterjeehas a over inflated image of his own self importance. I've read some of the personal comments he's directed at people with a differing point of view. His comments were vile and reflective of some type of disorder. Lately, Neil claims to have spotted ANOTHER shooter on the knoll but this one is perhaps the funniest of all. His shooter is waving at Maryann Moorman. It's difficult to take anything he puts on YouTube as something worth watching.
@autoad Your own comment here shows your own high-handedness and ignorance. I responded to a highly personal comment that was directed at me by an idiot and you interpret my response as 'self importance'. Fine. You obviously see things differently to most rational people.
I am all in favour of people having different views and have never personaly insulted anyone for doing so. (Unless they insult me !)
@funkmasterjee More specifically, I saw his comments to another poster and it referenced his parents and the marital act and the best part of the poster dripping onto the floor. ( I spare you the disgusting details) Someone has to be disturbed to post a comment like that. To think that thousands of people,could see that message and someone having no concern about who could read it suggests a callous and cavalier demeanor. Someone like that can't be taken seriously.
4. Multiple witnesses heard a shot from the picket fence area and one man saw a gun being dismantled and passed to another man who then hid it.
5. The cartridge cases found at the scene of Tippets shooting are incompatible with Oswald's revolver. Oswald DID NOT do it.
6. The zapruder film has been edited to hide the fact that the limo stopped and the existence of a second head shot. (check the sudden sharpness of shadows, the 'cut out' lamp post and evidence of missing frames)
A very interesting video that shows HOW and WHY the Zapruder film was edited into a deception is on youtube under 'JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered'. This proves that the driver slowed to a STOP and therefore was in on it. This of course had to be hidden to prevent the conclusion of conspiracy
There is a video on youtube (search under 'other zapruder film') where a guy is being interviewed about seeing an unedited version of the Zapruder film. He states that in that version there is a bullet strike to the Stemmons freeway sign and TWO bullet strikes to JFK's head (presumably almost simultaneously). He says total shots fired - eight or nine
@smithnya E. Howard Hunt confessed on his deathbed to his own son. Now I know there are a lot of liars out there but who would tell a huge lie (if it is a lie) to his own son just before dying when there is nothing to be gained from doing so ? Seems like he wanted to get the truth of his chest and no longer feared a reprisal for doing so
LHO more likely a lookout. explains why he wasn't seen on the stairs by the 2 ladies walking down immediately after the assassination. his job done, he was in the lunch room. LHO was complicit. but he twigged he was set up when the spotlight suddenly turned on him and him alone.
if you were going to do the shooting yourself, would you let a co-worker see you carrying the rifle (curtain rods) in and then do it from your own place of business? nobody would.
If he was a "patsy" why didn't he repeat the claim whenever he was in front of the press? He had 10 opportunities to say something to the media but said the "patsy" word one time.
And he wasn't even charged with the assassination of the president when he said it. That's odd....
multiple figures were seen by witnesses at both ends of the 6th floor of the TSBD. LHO was a lookout for them or MAY have been one of the shooters (but i doubt it).
who were they? CIA.
what were they doing? shooting the president of the united states. try to keep up.
how did he communicate with them? irrelevant. if someone was going up the stairs or the elevator he could have delayed them or hearing them approach warn the others.
LHO used the word "patsy" IN A CONTEXT. everybody forgets what that context was but it's important. the reporters asked him if he worked in that building. LHO said yes. then they asked him if he was in the building at the time of the shooting. LHO, exasperated, said "if i work there then naturally i was in the building". then, as the DPD was pushing him into an interview room he says "i'm just a patsy".
all he was saying is he was being arrested just because he worked in the building
There is at least one photo of the JFK limo at Parkland hospital with a clear bullet hole through the windshield. There is also one that shows a bullet strike to the chrome surround of the windsheild. A police officer made a statement that the hole was big enough for a pencil to be pushed through. A nurse of doctor (it's on youtube) stated she saw it and it was a hole from a bullet from FRONT to BACK
So...that's now 5 shots (not 3) in 8 seconds from a bolt action rifle with a misaligned scope
@funkmasterjee If you see different photos of the MC rifle put out by Warren Commission, Dallas Police and FBI, you can see there are 3 different rifles being used! They even found two rifles with the same serial number!! If you would like the web page where you can see this, send me a message and I will send it to you.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Yes send me the link please. Not only that but the strap on the MC rifle that's seen in the photo taken in Oswald's garden is different to the one on the supposed MC rifle used for the assassination. The Warren Commission were all obedient servants of the NWO and rewarded for selectively calling witnesses, telling others they had to be mistaken and arriving at the LIE known as the Warren report.
Another point -- why were the three recovered cartridge cases found at the so called sniper's nest all neatly lined up in a row ? - which is how they were found.
If you had just shot someone in the head with a rifle would you bother to take the time to line them up ?!?
The killing of Tippet was done to reinforce the idea of Oswald as a 'lone nut' - after all if he could kill a police officer in cold blood he could do anything, RIGHT ?? ....and something like could only be the actions of a guilty man, RIGHT ??
The empty shells that were recovered from the shooting of police officer Tippet were INCOMPATIBLE with the only hand gun (a revolver) that Oswald owned. Oswald's revolver fired cartridges with a raised bit at the back (or else they would have fallen out of the revolver), the ones recovered did NOT have this feature. Therefore Oswald did NOT carry out that shooting but was blamed for it straight away. A CIA mistake that was (surprise surprise) never investigated by the Warren commission
Craig and Weitzman signed an affidavit testifying to the discovery of a 7.65mm mauser on the 6th floor TSBD. Weitzman was a gun expert and gunstore owner so such a 'mistake' is virtually impossible. He later retracted his affidavit (under pressure), Roger Craig stuck to what he said - and suffered intimidation and threats.
No Oswald print was found on the rifle until AFTER Oswald's death two days later - which is suspicious
100% correct. and after roger craig suffered intimidation and threats, he suffered a rifle shot to the chest that killed him. the coroner ruled it a suicide. suicide by RIFLE shot to the chest. craig has 2 handguns in the house at the time of his death.
HOW MANY BULLSHIT "COINCIDENCES" AND "ODDITIES" DO PEOPLE NEED TO SEE BEFORE THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR GOVERNMENT HAS LIED TO THEM?
Oswald's prints on the boxes? so what? he worked there and routinely handled boxes. As regards movement on the 6th floor - the movie film does not show the southwest CORNER of the TSBD (which is where a second person was standing). There is a blow up of a still photo which shows this. The original FBI version of the photo crops it off but a researcher got hold of the unedited original. I don't have the link but there is a video that shows it on youtube
No. Oswald's print may have been on a rifle, but not the boxes. If it is also meant that a signed confession was all that was missing, well I'd say that you should be referring to LBJ and his co-conspirators. History is written by the winners, but it still does not make it the truth and therein lies the rub. You can lie to yourself and believe it if you like, but sorry, it will not fly with me. Not now and not ever.
@Boelcke1919 Research a bit more. Prints were on the boxes. Tons of evidence against Oswald. None against anyone else, including LBJ, that does not involve huge assumptions and leaps of faith.
@smithnya Tons of evidence against Oswald ?? There is virtually non - except for the rifle which could easily have been planted - together with it's convenient palm print (which didn't appear until two days later - after the FBI / secret service had access to Oswald's corpse)
@smithnya Wrong!! FBI fingerprint expert identified partial fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace, a convicted assassin. See The Men Who Killed Kennedy part 9. Part 9 banned by the History Channel. Because there is too much truth in it.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 "See The Men Who Killed Kennedy part 9. Part 9 banned by the History Channel. Because there is too much truth in it." -- I think part 9 implicates LBJ and his relatives threatened legal action ?? I'm not sure, maybe you know more about that ?
Wallace was a killer for LBJ. Billy Sol Estes tried to spill the beans, but the gov't doesn't want to hear it. I am shocked ... yes, shocked to find out that our government might lie about all this. Imagine that.
@smithnya there was no confession because there was no evidence... WTF are you talking about? There was NO fingerprints on the alleged Italian gun when they first got it. (BTW the gun they found didn't match the empty shells look up German mouser JFK killing) Then they found a palm print of Oswald on the rifle all of a sudden after he was dead... The only thing he admitted to was being in the school book depository at the time of the shooting.. .is that a crime??
@smithnya After examining the witness statements that the Warren commission deliberately ignored and other inconsistencies with the Warren commission, only a paid shill could actually pretend to believe that statement
@Boelcke1919 More than one person from the street saw a dark skinned man or 'dark complected ' man at the so called snipers nest. personally I think Wallace was at the west end of the 6th floor (with silenced rifle ?). Like you say a partial finger print of Wallace was found. There is no other explanation for his print being there. Who the other man was I have no idea.
Of course, witnesses saw that there was a frontal shot through the windshield of the limo JFK was in. No question about it. I don't know of any bullets made in 1963 or even now that reverse themselves in mid-air and go in the opposite direction.
If Oswald's prints were found there. it was on one of the guns. Malcolm Wallace's fingerprints were found up there and he was LBJ's henchman. Oswald was only a small part of the murder. Read Barr McClellan's masterpiece.
After years of believing otherwise,I'm now certain Oswald killed JFK.Any resistance or "cover-ups" involve the fact that Oswald was an ex-CIA agent,as it would not sit well for people to know the assassin was a CIA agent.Also,this is the height of the cold war,and the government did not want wild rumors of a communist conspiracy to spread.JFK's enemies did take advantage of the situation,but they did not cause it.
@Alexandernero666 What about LBJ's mistress saying in a video interview that the night before the assassination LBJ said to her " after tomorrow those damned Kennedys will never embarrass me again" ...the interview is on youtube. You think LBJ hired a nobody like Oswald ? ...Get real. LBJ knew about it at least and whoever organised it would have hired top snipers or even prof. hitmen
@Alexandernero666 Oswald may have been part of it but he was always going to be the fall guy. Look at the 'press conference' with Jack Ruby where he makes a statement to the press - he states that he had to do what he did, that the truth may never be known and implies that he would have been killed if he had not killed Oswald to shut him up. Again - the video IS on youtube
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Ruby: His exact words were, "If Adlai Stevenson had been President Kennedy's VP, he would still be alive." -- exactly. The comment from his ex mistress reinforces the view that LBJ endorsed the 'hit'. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't LBJ being secretly investigated by JFK for conspiracy in a murder (by Wallace) anyway ? (compelling reason to get rid of JFK)
Oswald's prints were not found in the so-called sniper's nest, but Malcom Wallace's were. Wallace was the strong arm man of LBJ. Look it up. This info can all easily be found on Youtube.com and on other sites on the Internet as well.
A couple FBI agents told me I should keep my mouth shut and not draw attention to this. They said, it would not be wise to point out something so huge and detrimental that I could not imagine the heat coming down on my ass. Someone came to my home a week later and stole my computer. They didn't take anything else. I believe they wanted to erase the emails they sent to me, because I was in chat rooms talking. They monitor these sites. they still don't want the American peoople to know the truth.
the shooter was in the trunk of the car. They had others shoot just to make noise to frame Oswald. The final shot was from behind the back seat. I've emailed all the FBI bastards and asked why the frick are they still covering this up and they said, the country does not need to know the truth. They said, it had to be covered up so the country would not go ape shit. They said, that I was correct and that the secret service had to kill Kennedy because he was making toruble with Isral.
@tubeyou9878 If there was a shooter in the trunk he would have had to be on JFK's left side (JFK was sat over on the right of the back seat) and the head shot would have to enter the head from the back left. There was no hole at the back left of the head.
ALL the people that saw the head wound at Parkland said there was a massive gaping wound at the rear-right of the head (inconsistent with a shot from behind)
@tubeyou9878 " the shooter was in the trunk of the car " -- if that's true how did he sight the gun ? Look at the photos of the back seat. There is no hole to sight any gun
You could probably zoom in on any window shown, claim it's the "sniper's lair" and people would think they see something. The HSCA photo panel analyzed this film in 1978 and wrote that there was no scientific evidence of human movement in the window - they used the technology then available to analyze satellite photos. Is this latest attempt any better or different. I see no reason to think so.
The little girl is grown and no one is asking her--Rosemary said she stopped and turned because her father told her to stop--not because she heard a shot. This is a lie started by now discredited author Gerald Posner.
The little girl is grown and no one is asking her--Rosemary said she stopped and turned because her father told he to stop--not because she heard a shot. This is a lie started by now discredited author Gerald Posner.
the problem with this dude 3:57 is there wasnt 3 shots, they only found 2 spent shells... there is photo after photo, document after document showing only 2 bullets were fired from that window.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood They actually only found 2 spent shells on the 6th floor... which helps yet again prove my theory on The Missed Shot! That first shot didnt come from there!!! Missed shot is at zframe 160... the limo was right under the 6th floor window, but for some reason Oswald aimed his rifle 185 feet infront of the limo to hit the curb which then riochet cememt hit Tague.... TheMissedShot.8m.com
@funkmasterjee Guys hearing 2 bullets possibly above them and another possibly a building away? Isnt that different really.... But here the police show in their own documents & photos clearly only 2 spent bullets were fired - clearly they changed it when they knew they had too- whokilledjfk. net/only_2_shells_found. htm ( you have to fix the spaces I put it in because youtube is a jerkoff kinda site.)
where is the movement in the 6th floor corner window???? There is as much movement there then there is in the other places they say is "noise" on the film. He says oh we see movement in the corner, ok we saw you point out the noise, now point out the movement. what a joke! 3:203:33 ???
@lucky44124 What, do you expect him to be in a clown suit and do a dance? He's not going to draw attention to himself...A sharpshooter is going to be very calm...He's used to being on a gun range shooting at much farther distances, plus he was very accurate....He's probably practiced it in his mind and actually sat there at different times during the week...He new once the car turned left, that everyone would be looking left, and others were looking out different window, so he just blended in..
@76reliant The "expert" said in the film you can see movement in the 6th floor sniper window.... where is the movement? Do you see it? Because I dont. There is less movement there compared to where he said it was just film noise in the other window on the 6th floor.
@lucky44124 It seems there is a small shift.Again, I wouldn't expect alot of movement.The boxes were obviously stacked by the window to create a guard from anyone seeing him inside.Consider this also.It just shows that no one was expecting this,and no one cared about that window,hence just a small taped glance.Considering where the first shot was fired, he didn't have to start aiming till the car had turned about 5 seconds.He had a week to practice from that spot hence, the little to no movement
@lucky44124 There was a second person at the extreme left of the 6th floor. An extreme blow up of a photographic still (taken almost exactly as the limo passed the TSBD) shows that. Hence Oswald was innocent or didn't act alone.
Well, there was no movement on the 6th floor on that fateful day. I know this because had there been, DPD officers would have smelled it immediately, being fresh and all.
@HearingLossProvider There were indeed two headshots, almost simultaneously. The original unedited zapruder film would show that. The version you see is edited bullshit to remove that fact and also create the impression that the limo continued almost without braking. The limo virtually stopped (to give an easy headshot). Many witnesses stated that
@spirg The 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA have said otherwise. All of them said there was no medical evidence that JFK was shot from the front or side.
@Easleytee Harold Weisberg wrote that book with the intentions of making it a pro-conspiracy piece. He already had written a couple of pro-conspiracy books (my, what a shock) so one can't consider "Never Again" as objective. I'll rely on the findings of 9 professionally trained forensic pathologists and not those of a civilian with scant knowledge of medical forensics and a pro-conspiracy bias.
@autoad ALL the Parklands doctors said there was a large gaping (exit) wound to the rear right of the head (consistent with a shot from the front)
Personally I believe there were two almost simultaneous head shots from the front and from the back. The zapruder film you see is an FBI edited lie. One shot blew out the top right side of the head (explosive bullet or 'dum dum' bullet) leaving a flap of skull. The other blew out the rear right of the head
@funkmasterjee You're theory about entry/exit wounds does not explain how the particulate matter got blown forward covering the Connally's and the two agents in the front seat.
And again, you have ZERO ballistic evidence-ZERO physical evidence-ZERO medical evidence and ZERO forensic evidence to support your wild theory.
@autoad I didn't say there def wasn't a head shot from behind. I said there were two almost simultaneous head shots. JFK lurches forward for a brief fraction of a second and then back. I don't believe one bullet would cause both huge side damage to the head and rear damage as well. Many witnesses said the last two shots came VERY close together. Two headshots from two different directions would explain that. The zapruder film has been altered to hide that (and the limo stopping)
@autoad 1. the technology was readily available and had been around since the 1920's.
2. The film was extensively scrutinised by the FBI and there was plenty of opportunity to alter it. (Alter not blatantly but enough to create the impression desired)
3. The other films were never in side by side comparison for a long time and even when direct comparison was and is made, the difference is not obvious mainly due to the distance from the car (Nix film) and the subtlety of the edit
@funkmasterjee IF the technology existed there wasn't time to alter the film. Zapruder had posession of the film the entire time before it went for processing. When the film was processed 3 copies were made. If someone altered one film the change would be noticed in the others. The original and a copy were in the possession of Zapruder. There wasn't time to fake the film. Your insistence in the "alteration" story shows the extent non-thinking people will go in their beliefs of goofy things.
@autoad I am not going to argue about who had possession of the film, when and how many copies were made. The fact remains that if you examine the film there is plenty of evidence of editing and manipulation. Do you want me to list all the anomalies in the film ? I will if you insist. The FBI, the CIA and the Warren commission all had plenty of access to it. It's a FRAUD designed to hide the stopping of the limo and the existence of a second headshot
@autoad The only 'non-thinking people' as you put it are people who accept the findings of the Warren Report because that's what they've been told to believe and all the paid shills on youtube that will sell their souls for a buck
@funkmasterjee You believe a goofy thing that has ZERO foundation of credibility. Your insistence of the fakery demonstrates how fully invested you've become with this goofy story. I suppose you've bought lots of pro-conspiracy books and you may be thinking you got "taken" by the theorists who've invented stories for the sole purpose of making a buck. You got snookered my friend. It's time you back away from this goofy story. There's no truth to it whatsoever.
@autoad Your passionate insistence on the official government line and the findings of the Warren Commission and the apparent lengths you will go to to KILL any dissent is rather odd and unnatural unless you are acting as an agent of a government body. i.e a SHILL
@autoad For your information, I have bought zero pro-conspiracy books. When I became interested in this subject I was impartial, however the evidence speaks for itself. Your own choice of words is typical of the FBI, CIA and all Shills. i.e if you cannot destroy the argument, try and discredit the person, failing that, resort to mockery. You must be getting a little desperate :o)
well simple editing was certainly around back then. zapruder testified before the WC that he began filming as the motorcade rounded elm and never stopped. yet we see the motorcycles rounding elm and then a jump in the film to the limo already having completed the turn and well on its way down elm.
there are some excellent videos on youtube detailing a large number of alterations to the Z film and explaining in minute detail how and why they were done.
1. I never said he stopped filming. That's the point. He says in his WC testimony that he "STARTED filming when the motorcade started coming in". He never once said he stopped filming and then started again.
2. read his testimony above then look it up yourself in the citation i provided.
The quote you cite from the Warren Commission testimony is correct. It's your interpretation that's incorrect. Your statement was.." testified before the WC that he began filming as the motorcade rounded elm and never stopped". You said he told the Warren Commission "and never stopped". He never said that. You've added words to testimony he didn't say and it misrepresents what he said.
1. how the hell would you know what intelligent people would or wouldn't do?
2. i wasn't bragging. i was making a factual rebuttal argument to your unfounded assertion that i was a "peewit".
3. what was Zapruder's testimony? Was it "I started filming and then I stopped because the limo hadn't rounded the corner yet and/or to conserve film"? no, it wasn't. Zapruder testified that he started filming when the MOTORCADE rounded elm.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood I agree he did say he started filming when the motorcade rounded the corner. But the phrase "rounded the corner" isn't precise. At what point when they "rounded the corner" did he begin filming. It appears to me based on the Z-film he did exactly that; he started filming when the motorcade rounded Elm. I take great exception to your addition of words and claim it's what he said. You added "never stopped filming". Zapruder didn't say that; you did. And when you add words to
"At what point when they "rounded the corner" did he begin filming."
you have eyes. what do you see? he began filming when the motorcade (as evidenced by the lead motorcycles) began rounding elm.
there was no reason to suddenly stop filming. he never said he stopped filming. yet you will find idiots claiming that he stopped to conserve film. that's just plain stupid and wrong.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Assuming it was edited is without any foundation. But yet, you tried to create one by attributing words to Zapruder that he never said. There is a very good reason why he would have stopped filming and then begin again. Earlier he had filmed his wife at home on the same reel of film and he did not know how much footage he had left. The motorcycles were ahead of the presidential limo and he began filming when the bikes made the turn and the limo is nowhere in sight. He stops
filming to conserve the remaining film. After the limo makes the turn he starts to film the motorcade. To conserve film is not stupid and wrong. I've shot 8mm film many times and the early cameras did not have a indicator of how much film was left on the reel.
But your attempt to create doubt by adding words to testimony that were never said is shameful and an indicator of questionable character.
Do we now have to scrutinize every word you say because of this?
Show me a quote where he said he "never stopped filming". These are the words you dishonestly added to his testimony. These are words he never said but you deliberately mislead people to believe he offered them as part of his Warren Commission testimony.
If you spent more time being honest and less time trying to be clever, the rest of us would have to spend less time doubting and checking everything you post
@LiquorWreckedEmGood If you really want to scrutinize the Z-film then you should be asking "Why didn't Zapruder film the lead vehicle in the motorcade"? The lead car was Police Chief Jesse Curry.
Was that edited out as well?
If the Z-film was edited Zapruder didn't say anything about it to the Warren Commission or anybody else. After all he had the original and a copy and if anything had been edited, faked, forged, altered or whaever, he would have said something about the change.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood testimony and presenting them as factual, then that's dishonest.
In regards to what intelligent people do and don't do...intelligent people don't brag about their academic achievements and they don't try to impress people with their IQ.
I know lots of people with very high IQ's who haven't a stitch of common sense.
"I know lots of people with very high IQ's who haven't a stitch of common sense."
a. i've got a bulletin for you. EVERY HUMAN BEING, including YOU, makes mistakes involving common sense.
b. your attitude is not uncommon. it's what most dumb asses tell themselves to make themselves feel better. the fact is i breezed thru school and make $120 grand a year doing "work" that hardly causes me to break a mental sweat.
I agree. I've made mistakes in the past and I'll make them in the future.
So where's the news in that revelation?
You seem to be compensating for something. I'm not a shrink but that makes two times you had to say something about yourself to either make yourself feel good or try to make someone else feel bad.
Either way, it's a disturbing issue and an indication that something is missing or there's a self perceived deficiency.
hey, dumb ass. i was responding directly to YOUR asinine comment about "the high IQ people you know having no common sense". i even quoted it before my comment. what the fuck is wrong with you? i think you really ARE stupid.
Amazing but true, contrary to popular myth I WAS WRONG!
Jesse Curry did not lead the motorcade through Dallas.
Actually, there were at least 4 motorcycle police officers who lead the motorcade, then another 3-4 motorcycles, then Jesse Curry and then the presidential limo.
You see...I do make mistakes! Yet I'm strong enough to admit the error and make a correction. This is where the CT's routinely fail. They're never wrong.
before you break your arm patting yourself on the back, where is your source for this information? as usual you expect us to just take your word for it.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There are very few photos of Jesse Curry's car at the lead (almost) of the motorcade. It would be reasonable to believe Zapruder knew the motorcycles and Curry's car were at the lead of the motorcade. After all, he would have seen and heard them turn off Main St onto Houston. But your original statement said Zapruder said "I never stopped filming". That's incorrect. He never said that. You're wrong about Zapruder's testimony and you're wrong about the motorcade.
how can i be wrong about curry? i never said he didn't lead the motorcade. as for Zapruder not saying he didn't stop filming, i am unable to find the quote. however, there are missing frames in the original film (damaged by lab technicians at Life magazine):
rense.com/political/zapruder.htm
as for the MANY alterations and a careful analysis of each and every one i suggest you watch the videos i kindly provided you links to. they prove that the original film was altered.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood It looks like we're going to agree on something. There are missing frame from the Z-film that were damaged by a technician. But it was a copy of the Z-film that was damaged and not the original.
Alterations to the Z-film would have been impossible for two reasons;
1. There wasn't time to "fix" the film. The original was processed and 3 copies were made immediately afterward.
2. All the other photos taken in Dealey would have to be gathered up and "fixed" to match the
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Z-film. Logistically, that would have been impossible. ALL of the movies, still photos taken by amateurs and professional would have to be confiscated, fixed and returned.
It would have been easier for the Z-film to have been destroyed and avoid the massive undertaking of "fixing" hundreds of photos.
Z-film "fixing" is the height of absurdity in the conspiracy theorist world and evidence of their disjointed thinking.
You said Z never said he stopped filming and I agreed with you. He never said he stopped. Why must you read into the transcript? Why must you make up facts not in evidence? Read exactly what Z said.
Why would you "get their early to get a good spot", say that you "wanted to get the motorcade rounding elm" but then as the motorcycles start rounding elm stop the camera? you wouldn't. that film was edited. why? because the first shot occurred at that point and the WC couldn't explain it.
@autoad The technology to re-time the film WAS readily available. NO digital technology is needed. Similar things had been done with film as early as the late 1920's. The zapruder film you see is a 'composite' and basically a fraud.
I don't suppose you watched the youtube movie ' JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered ' because it challenges what you want to think.
Watch it, and in particular the 'cut out' lamp post, unnatural shadows and 'jumping' (missing frames).
@autoad I don't expect anyone to 'goose step' to anything, but I do expect you to watch the evidence I have pointed out before dismissing it like an ignoramus.
You will dismiss it I am sure, but only out of defensiveness and pride.
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THİS ASSASSİNATiON LOOKS LİKE A FUCKİNG PUZZLE...
WE DON'T STİLL KNOW HOW MANY OSWALDS WERE İN THERE AT THAT TERRİBLE DAY..
PLEASE LOOK AT OSWALD'S PİCTURES..
İN EVERY PİCTURE HE LOOKS LİKE A DİFFERENT PERSON..
MAYBE SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LİKE TO OSWALD HAD SHOT TO JFK FROM SİXTH FLOOR...
SUSSTURUCU 1 week ago
Oswald WAS a patsy, the Federal Reserve sent their own secret hit squad to murder JFK!
loveunderlaw 2 weeks ago
I think there was more than one gunman, it only makes sense from the different angles but that just my common sense speaking
OkeenoUnleashed 3 weeks ago
TERRIBLE DAY, THAT WAS CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY
Tomsouthrock 1 month ago
I don't believe to Zarpuder film...I think if this film was true,CIA killed to Abraham Zapruder..
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did jesse curry's car look any different from any other ordinary car? it's the motorcycles that lead the motorcade. they signal that the presidential limo is about to make an appearance.
you're grasping at straws. and you are also ignoring the many fine videos that painstakingly direct the Z film explaining each and every alteration, and proving it. apparently you are too lazy to watch them. here is a good one for anybody else who is interested:
youtube.com/watch?v=dvLW3IBHHvA
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Again, your IQ betrays you. It was Jessie Curry who lead the motorcade. This isn't something that's debatable. In fact he lead the presidential limo to Parkland Hospital.
I'm well aware of the lunacy behind the Z-film alteration accusations. I guess that means Jim Garrison was wrong staking so much of his case with the Z-film as evidence of a conspiracy. What else was he wrong about?
I guess I was correct about the things peewits believe.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
where oh where is jesse curry?
youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM
oh jesse, jesse, come out come out wherever you are...
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
Regarding Jesse Curry...Go to the following video "The Dallas Police preparing for the visit of President Kennedy (English Version)" read the copy starting a 3:32.
You'll love the video. It's filled with conspiratorial innuendo.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
a. you see how far ahead he was? and in a "command car" not a limo. did zapruder think THAT was the start of the motorcade? no. he did not film curry, did he. he started filming when the LEAD MOTORCYCLES rounded elm. didn't he.
and you cannot find one instance of zapruder ever saying he stopped filming from that moment on until the limo disappeared under the overpass.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood I don't know what Abe Zapruder was thinking and neither do you. I'm sure you're about to put more fabricated words into Zapruder's testimony though.
autoad 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
I suspect you were dissatisfied with the video I suggested regarding Jesse Curry leading the motorcade. I've have a better one that shows you don't know what you're talking about: Go to
JFK Assassination The Complete Robert Hughes Film Stabilized
At the 0:28 mark you'll see the camera pan to the left and there ahead of the motorcade is the white automobile with Jesse Curry. It appears at the 0:16 mark but I thought you'd find that view insufficient. You were wrong again!
autoad 1 month ago
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@autoad
you don't pay attention: i've already commented on that.
"you see how far ahead he was? and in a "command car" not a limo. did zapruder think THAT was the start of the motorcade? no. he did not film curry, did he. he started filming when the LEAD MOTORCYCLES rounded elm. didn't he.
and you cannot find one instance of zapruder ever saying he stopped filming from that moment on until the limo disappeared under the overpass."
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
You lose.
But I think it's interesting you bash the government but you're willing to bet with their currency.
I'm becoming increasingly impressed with that IQ of yours.
autoad 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Sure... allot of those photos were taken on Monday morning that we see from the snipers nest - but here they show documents & photos clearly saying only 2 spent bullets were fired whokilledjfk. net/only_2_shells_found. htm ( you have to fix the spaces I put it in because youtube is a jerkoff kinda site.
lucky44124 1 month ago
@lucky44124
excuse me but deputy roger craig WAS ON THE 6TH FLOOR MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING AND PERSONALLY SAW THOSE 3 SPENT CARTRIDGES LINED UP NEATLY IN A ROW ON THE WINDOW SILL.
those documents and photos were taken AFTER the fact. the DPD and FBI withheld evidence, ignored evidence, and altered evidence.
but regardless whether you believe that, roger craig was there on the spot AS THE EVIDENCE (including the MAUSER) was discovered.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
"Mr. LIEBELER - As you stood there on this abutment with your camera, the motorcade came down Houston Street and turned left on Elm Street, did it not?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - And it proceeded then down Elm Street toward the triple underpass; is that correct?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's correct. I started shooting--when the motorcade started coming in, I believe I started and wanted to get it coming in from Houston Street."
mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Exactly. Zapruder said he didn't stop filming. Yet there is a gap in the supposedly unedited Z film. To quote a documentary ' Evidence of Revision '
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
What they're not telling you in this video, is that someone was also spotted on the west end of the 6th floor and also on the 4th floor window. Misleading cable TV...
flapjack9999 2 months ago
The Case against the Warren Report:
1. In at least one still photograph a second person is visible on the 6th floor of the TSBD at time of shooting.(also verified by at least one witness)
2. 7.5mm Mauser rifle (NOT carcanno) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD (verified by signed affidavit by a gun expert)
3. No one could identify Oswald as having travelled back home by bus despite what the W.C said
3b Oswald's palm print only 'found' on MC rifle after his death (planted?)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Oswald didn't take the bus home. He took a cab.
He got on the bus for a short distance and it was heading towards Dealey Plaza and into heavy traffic. Oswald got a transfer voucher from the driver which was still in his possession when arrested. The driver issues 2 transfer vouchers that day. Oswald was one of them. The Oswald palm print was found on November 22nd and he was still very much alive.
autoad 1 month ago
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funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@autoad So why take a bus back to the scene of the crime ?? Oswald could not be that stupid? I concede you might be right on the date the partial palm print was lifted. (that still doesn't explain why a 7.65mm Mauser was also found) Whether Oswald was actually part of the conspiracy - I'm not sure. What I am certain of (and what is more important) is I am sure there WAS a conspiracy. I made several points regarding discrepancies and anomalies and most of them still stand
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee The so-called second person on the 6th floor has been analyzed and it's nothing more than "grain noise". It's an effect that becomes more visible as a frame from a movie is enlarged.
Sorry, but there's not a second person in the window on the 6th floor.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
$5 will get you $10 you heard that on either the Discovery Channel or the National Geographic Channel. both are shills for the government.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@autoad In the film they are looking at the wrong place. There was a second person at the WEST end of the 6th floor ....not next to the person in the so called 'sniper's nest'. There are witnesses that were on Houston street that confirm that. There is a photo on Youtube that shows a face at the western window
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee
Sorry, The photos have been examined, analyzed, re-examined, re-analyzed and re-re-re examined.
No matter how many times they keep checking that film there's nobody there.
But just for the sake of discussion; what if there was someone standing at the west end of the TSBD... what would it prove?
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad there is a film on youtube that shows the presence of a second individual. What would it prove? The 6th floor is open plan. The two men would have to be aware of each other. To think otherwise is ludicrous. That contradicts the Warren Report and proves a conspiracy. Have a look at ' Absolute Proof of JFK Assassination Conspiracy Part 1 ' on youtube
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee I'm going to disagree with you about the two men being aware of each other. The floor was filled with hundreds of cartons of books stacked 7 feet high. It was a maze of boxes and with the snipers nest built to shield Oswald from the elevator and staircase in the event someone were to come up on the 6th floor, it would have been very easy for both parties not to know the other was there. The "Absolute Proof" videos were posted by NeilCrouse. He's a loathsome, cowardly creature who
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad It would be IMPOSSIBLE for each party not to know of the presence of the other. (assuming that at least one fired at least one shot). Guns make loud noises autoad !
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
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@autoad
" I'm going to disagree with you about the two men being aware of each other... it would have been very easy for both parties not to know the other was there. "
OMG what a moron.
I THINK THE GUNSHOTS MIGHT HAVE GIVEN HIM AWAY, DON'T YOU?
ROTFLMFAO.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
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autoad 1 month ago
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@funkmasterjeehas a over inflated image of his own self importance. I've read some of the personal comments he's directed at people with a differing point of view. His comments were vile and reflective of some type of disorder. Lately, Neil claims to have spotted ANOTHER shooter on the knoll but this one is perhaps the funniest of all. His shooter is waving at Maryann Moorman. It's difficult to take anything he puts on YouTube as something worth watching.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad Your own comment here shows your own high-handedness and ignorance. I responded to a highly personal comment that was directed at me by an idiot and you interpret my response as 'self importance'. Fine. You obviously see things differently to most rational people.
I am all in favour of people having different views and have never personaly insulted anyone for doing so. (Unless they insult me !)
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee What was the highly personal comment?
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad "His comments were vile and reflective of some type of disorder"
.....your own passionate desire to quell any kind of free thinking that diverges from the official Warren Report view reflects either -
You are a Shill
or
Have a pathalogical disorder
It's well known that there are shills both here and on the 9/11 comments so I'm going with the former.
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee More specifically, I saw his comments to another poster and it referenced his parents and the marital act and the best part of the poster dripping onto the floor. ( I spare you the disgusting details) Someone has to be disturbed to post a comment like that. To think that thousands of people,could see that message and someone having no concern about who could read it suggests a callous and cavalier demeanor. Someone like that can't be taken seriously.
autoad 1 month ago
4. Multiple witnesses heard a shot from the picket fence area and one man saw a gun being dismantled and passed to another man who then hid it.
5. The cartridge cases found at the scene of Tippets shooting are incompatible with Oswald's revolver. Oswald DID NOT do it.
6. The zapruder film has been edited to hide the fact that the limo stopped and the existence of a second head shot. (check the sudden sharpness of shadows, the 'cut out' lamp post and evidence of missing frames)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
A very interesting video that shows HOW and WHY the Zapruder film was edited into a deception is on youtube under 'JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered'. This proves that the driver slowed to a STOP and therefore was in on it. This of course had to be hidden to prevent the conclusion of conspiracy
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
There is a video on youtube (search under 'other zapruder film') where a guy is being interviewed about seeing an unedited version of the Zapruder film. He states that in that version there is a bullet strike to the Stemmons freeway sign and TWO bullet strikes to JFK's head (presumably almost simultaneously). He says total shots fired - eight or nine
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Oswald was both a patsy and a shooter. Malcolm Wallace and 1 or more others shot. Would E. Howard Hunt lie top his own son re this?
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 Would any of the other 100 shooters that came forward and "confessed" to firing the shots lie? Exactly.
smithnya 2 months ago
@smithnya E. Howard Hunt confessed on his deathbed to his own son. Now I know there are a lot of liars out there but who would tell a huge lie (if it is a lie) to his own son just before dying when there is nothing to be gained from doing so ? Seems like he wanted to get the truth of his chest and no longer feared a reprisal for doing so
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 James Files and Charles Harrelson aslo confessed to shooting JFK. Don't their confessions have credibility?
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@autoad NO because they didn't confess on their deathbed. They still have something to gain or lose.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919
LHO more likely a lookout. explains why he wasn't seen on the stairs by the 2 ladies walking down immediately after the assassination. his job done, he was in the lunch room. LHO was complicit. but he twigged he was set up when the spotlight suddenly turned on him and him alone.
if you were going to do the shooting yourself, would you let a co-worker see you carrying the rifle (curtain rods) in and then do it from your own place of business? nobody would.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
A lookout for who?
For someone in the same building?
Where were these people he was to "lookout" for?
Who were they?
What were they doing?
How did he communicate with them?
If he was a "patsy" why didn't he repeat the claim whenever he was in front of the press? He had 10 opportunities to say something to the media but said the "patsy" word one time.
And he wasn't even charged with the assassination of the president when he said it. That's odd....
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
multiple figures were seen by witnesses at both ends of the 6th floor of the TSBD. LHO was a lookout for them or MAY have been one of the shooters (but i doubt it).
who were they? CIA.
what were they doing? shooting the president of the united states. try to keep up.
how did he communicate with them? irrelevant. if someone was going up the stairs or the elevator he could have delayed them or hearing them approach warn the others.
(cont)
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@autoad
LHO used the word "patsy" IN A CONTEXT. everybody forgets what that context was but it's important. the reporters asked him if he worked in that building. LHO said yes. then they asked him if he was in the building at the time of the shooting. LHO, exasperated, said "if i work there then naturally i was in the building". then, as the DPD was pushing him into an interview room he says "i'm just a patsy".
all he was saying is he was being arrested just because he worked in the building
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
There is at least one photo of the JFK limo at Parkland hospital with a clear bullet hole through the windshield. There is also one that shows a bullet strike to the chrome surround of the windsheild. A police officer made a statement that the hole was big enough for a pencil to be pushed through. A nurse of doctor (it's on youtube) stated she saw it and it was a hole from a bullet from FRONT to BACK
So...that's now 5 shots (not 3) in 8 seconds from a bolt action rifle with a misaligned scope
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee If you see different photos of the MC rifle put out by Warren Commission, Dallas Police and FBI, you can see there are 3 different rifles being used! They even found two rifles with the same serial number!! If you would like the web page where you can see this, send me a message and I will send it to you.
TakeBackAmerica2012 2 months ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Yes send me the link please. Not only that but the strap on the MC rifle that's seen in the photo taken in Oswald's garden is different to the one on the supposed MC rifle used for the assassination. The Warren Commission were all obedient servants of the NWO and rewarded for selectively calling witnesses, telling others they had to be mistaken and arriving at the LIE known as the Warren report.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Another point -- why were the three recovered cartridge cases found at the so called sniper's nest all neatly lined up in a row ? - which is how they were found.
If you had just shot someone in the head with a rifle would you bother to take the time to line them up ?!?
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
The killing of Tippet was done to reinforce the idea of Oswald as a 'lone nut' - after all if he could kill a police officer in cold blood he could do anything, RIGHT ?? ....and something like could only be the actions of a guilty man, RIGHT ??
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
The empty shells that were recovered from the shooting of police officer Tippet were INCOMPATIBLE with the only hand gun (a revolver) that Oswald owned. Oswald's revolver fired cartridges with a raised bit at the back (or else they would have fallen out of the revolver), the ones recovered did NOT have this feature. Therefore Oswald did NOT carry out that shooting but was blamed for it straight away. A CIA mistake that was (surprise surprise) never investigated by the Warren commission
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Craig and Weitzman signed an affidavit testifying to the discovery of a 7.65mm mauser on the 6th floor TSBD. Weitzman was a gun expert and gunstore owner so such a 'mistake' is virtually impossible. He later retracted his affidavit (under pressure), Roger Craig stuck to what he said - and suffered intimidation and threats.
No Oswald print was found on the rifle until AFTER Oswald's death two days later - which is suspicious
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee
100% correct. and after roger craig suffered intimidation and threats, he suffered a rifle shot to the chest that killed him. the coroner ruled it a suicide. suicide by RIFLE shot to the chest. craig has 2 handguns in the house at the time of his death.
HOW MANY BULLSHIT "COINCIDENCES" AND "ODDITIES" DO PEOPLE NEED TO SEE BEFORE THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR GOVERNMENT HAS LIED TO THEM?
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
Oswald's prints on the boxes? so what? he worked there and routinely handled boxes. As regards movement on the 6th floor - the movie film does not show the southwest CORNER of the TSBD (which is where a second person was standing). There is a blow up of a still photo which shows this. The original FBI version of the photo crops it off but a researcher got hold of the unedited original. I don't have the link but there is a video that shows it on youtube
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
No. Oswald's print may have been on a rifle, but not the boxes. If it is also meant that a signed confession was all that was missing, well I'd say that you should be referring to LBJ and his co-conspirators. History is written by the winners, but it still does not make it the truth and therein lies the rub. You can lie to yourself and believe it if you like, but sorry, it will not fly with me. Not now and not ever.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 Research a bit more. Prints were on the boxes. Tons of evidence against Oswald. None against anyone else, including LBJ, that does not involve huge assumptions and leaps of faith.
smithnya 2 months ago
@smithnya Tons of evidence against Oswald ?? There is virtually non - except for the rifle which could easily have been planted - together with it's convenient palm print (which didn't appear until two days later - after the FBI / secret service had access to Oswald's corpse)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@smithnya Wrong!! FBI fingerprint expert identified partial fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace, a convicted assassin. See The Men Who Killed Kennedy part 9. Part 9 banned by the History Channel. Because there is too much truth in it.
TakeBackAmerica2012 2 months ago
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@TakeBackAmerica2012 "See The Men Who Killed Kennedy part 9. Part 9 banned by the History Channel. Because there is too much truth in it." -- I think part 9 implicates LBJ and his relatives threatened legal action ?? I'm not sure, maybe you know more about that ?
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
Wallace was a killer for LBJ. Billy Sol Estes tried to spill the beans, but the gov't doesn't want to hear it. I am shocked ... yes, shocked to find out that our government might lie about all this. Imagine that.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 Oswald did it. The only thing missing was a signed and taped confession.
smithnya 2 months ago
@smithnya there was no confession because there was no evidence... WTF are you talking about? There was NO fingerprints on the alleged Italian gun when they first got it. (BTW the gun they found didn't match the empty shells look up German mouser JFK killing) Then they found a palm print of Oswald on the rifle all of a sudden after he was dead... The only thing he admitted to was being in the school book depository at the time of the shooting.. .is that a crime??
jaroncreed 2 months ago 2
@smithnya After examining the witness statements that the Warren commission deliberately ignored and other inconsistencies with the Warren commission, only a paid shill could actually pretend to believe that statement
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 More than one person from the street saw a dark skinned man or 'dark complected ' man at the so called snipers nest. personally I think Wallace was at the west end of the 6th floor (with silenced rifle ?). Like you say a partial finger print of Wallace was found. There is no other explanation for his print being there. Who the other man was I have no idea.
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
Of course, witnesses saw that there was a frontal shot through the windshield of the limo JFK was in. No question about it. I don't know of any bullets made in 1963 or even now that reverse themselves in mid-air and go in the opposite direction.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
If Oswald's prints were found there. it was on one of the guns. Malcolm Wallace's fingerprints were found up there and he was LBJ's henchman. Oswald was only a small part of the murder. Read Barr McClellan's masterpiece.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
After years of believing otherwise,I'm now certain Oswald killed JFK.Any resistance or "cover-ups" involve the fact that Oswald was an ex-CIA agent,as it would not sit well for people to know the assassin was a CIA agent.Also,this is the height of the cold war,and the government did not want wild rumors of a communist conspiracy to spread.JFK's enemies did take advantage of the situation,but they did not cause it.
Alexandernero666 2 months ago
@Alexandernero666 What about LBJ's mistress saying in a video interview that the night before the assassination LBJ said to her " after tomorrow those damned Kennedys will never embarrass me again" ...the interview is on youtube. You think LBJ hired a nobody like Oswald ? ...Get real. LBJ knew about it at least and whoever organised it would have hired top snipers or even prof. hitmen
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@Alexandernero666 Oswald may have been part of it but he was always going to be the fall guy. Look at the 'press conference' with Jack Ruby where he makes a statement to the press - he states that he had to do what he did, that the truth may never be known and implies that he would have been killed if he had not killed Oswald to shut him up. Again - the video IS on youtube
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee His exact words were, "If Adlai Stevenson had been President Kennedy's VP, he would still be alive."
TakeBackAmerica2012 2 months ago
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@TakeBackAmerica2012 Ruby: His exact words were, "If Adlai Stevenson had been President Kennedy's VP, he would still be alive." -- exactly. The comment from his ex mistress reinforces the view that LBJ endorsed the 'hit'. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't LBJ being secretly investigated by JFK for conspiracy in a murder (by Wallace) anyway ? (compelling reason to get rid of JFK)
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
No. They were not found there.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 Yup, on the rifle and the boxes at the nest.
smithnya 2 months ago
There were at least 2 people on the sixth floor.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
Oswald's prints were not found in the so-called sniper's nest, but Malcom Wallace's were. Wallace was the strong arm man of LBJ. Look it up. This info can all easily be found on Youtube.com and on other sites on the Internet as well.
Boelcke1919 2 months ago
@Boelcke1919 Oswald's prints were found there.
smithnya 2 months ago
A couple FBI agents told me I should keep my mouth shut and not draw attention to this. They said, it would not be wise to point out something so huge and detrimental that I could not imagine the heat coming down on my ass. Someone came to my home a week later and stole my computer. They didn't take anything else. I believe they wanted to erase the emails they sent to me, because I was in chat rooms talking. They monitor these sites. they still don't want the American peoople to know the truth.
tubeyou9878 2 months ago
the shooter was in the trunk of the car. They had others shoot just to make noise to frame Oswald. The final shot was from behind the back seat. I've emailed all the FBI bastards and asked why the frick are they still covering this up and they said, the country does not need to know the truth. They said, it had to be covered up so the country would not go ape shit. They said, that I was correct and that the secret service had to kill Kennedy because he was making toruble with Isral.
tubeyou9878 2 months ago
@tubeyou9878 If there was a shooter in the trunk he would have had to be on JFK's left side (JFK was sat over on the right of the back seat) and the head shot would have to enter the head from the back left. There was no hole at the back left of the head.
ALL the people that saw the head wound at Parkland said there was a massive gaping wound at the rear-right of the head (inconsistent with a shot from behind)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee He was shot through the back at an extreme angle both times.
tubeyou9878 2 months ago
@tubeyou9878 " the shooter was in the trunk of the car " -- if that's true how did he sight the gun ? Look at the photos of the back seat. There is no hole to sight any gun
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
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You could probably zoom in on any window shown, claim it's the "sniper's lair" and people would think they see something. The HSCA photo panel analyzed this film in 1978 and wrote that there was no scientific evidence of human movement in the window - they used the technology then available to analyze satellite photos. Is this latest attempt any better or different. I see no reason to think so.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
The black witness was probably shocked that it was white on white crime!
MrGuitartramp 2 months ago
I wonder how much they can enhance the film now?
Saebeck32 3 months ago
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The little girl is grown and no one is asking her--Rosemary said she stopped and turned because her father told her to stop--not because she heard a shot. This is a lie started by now discredited author Gerald Posner.
chucklakin49 3 months ago
The little girl is grown and no one is asking her--Rosemary said she stopped and turned because her father told he to stop--not because she heard a shot. This is a lie started by now discredited author Gerald Posner.
chucklakin49 3 months ago
@chucklakin49
Posner is a lying hack. he makes shit up to suit his purpose.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
A print of Malcome Wallace was also found on sniper nest box. Wallace was convicted of killing LBJ's sister and walked free!
danahsutton101 4 months ago
the problem with this dude 3:57 is there wasnt 3 shots, they only found 2 spent shells... there is photo after photo, document after document showing only 2 bullets were fired from that window.
lucky44124 4 months ago
@lucky44124 sigh. you're an idiot. there were three shots. do some primary source material research, hick.
BigPapaShitz 2 months ago
@lucky44124 no they found 3 spent shells in 1 pic you can see all 3 of them and you look very dumb when you say things without looking into them
movieman175 2 months ago
@lucky44124 ...interesting, as a book depository employee looking out of the window on the 5th floor heard ' Boom, click-click' three times.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@lucky44124
they found 3 shells lined up neatly in a row on the window sill.
problem was, the rifle they found was a 7.65 Mauser. the shells were from a 6.5 carcano.
watch: youtube.com/watch?v=4XNHtUDEDAI at 03:50
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood They actually only found 2 spent shells on the 6th floor... which helps yet again prove my theory on The Missed Shot! That first shot didnt come from there!!! Missed shot is at zframe 160... the limo was right under the 6th floor window, but for some reason Oswald aimed his rifle 185 feet infront of the limo to hit the curb which then riochet cememt hit Tague.... TheMissedShot.8m.com
lucky44124 1 month ago
@lucky44124
deputy roger craig reports 3 hulls "lined up neatly in a row":
youtube.com/watch?v=4XNHtUDEDAI 02:20
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@lucky44124 More than one person heard 3 shots from 'sniper's nest'. Three shells were found
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
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@funkmasterjee Guys hearing 2 bullets possibly above them and another possibly a building away? Isnt that different really.... But here the police show in their own documents & photos clearly only 2 spent bullets were fired - clearly they changed it when they knew they had too- whokilledjfk. net/only_2_shells_found. htm ( you have to fix the spaces I put it in because youtube is a jerkoff kinda site.)
lucky44124 1 month ago
where is the movement in the 6th floor corner window???? There is as much movement there then there is in the other places they say is "noise" on the film. He says oh we see movement in the corner, ok we saw you point out the noise, now point out the movement. what a joke! 3:20 3:33 ???
lucky44124 4 months ago
@lucky44124 What, do you expect him to be in a clown suit and do a dance? He's not going to draw attention to himself...A sharpshooter is going to be very calm...He's used to being on a gun range shooting at much farther distances, plus he was very accurate....He's probably practiced it in his mind and actually sat there at different times during the week...He new once the car turned left, that everyone would be looking left, and others were looking out different window, so he just blended in..
76reliant 3 months ago
@76reliant The "expert" said in the film you can see movement in the 6th floor sniper window.... where is the movement? Do you see it? Because I dont. There is less movement there compared to where he said it was just film noise in the other window on the 6th floor.
lucky44124 3 months ago
@lucky44124 It seems there is a small shift.Again, I wouldn't expect alot of movement.The boxes were obviously stacked by the window to create a guard from anyone seeing him inside.Consider this also.It just shows that no one was expecting this,and no one cared about that window,hence just a small taped glance.Considering where the first shot was fired, he didn't have to start aiming till the car had turned about 5 seconds.He had a week to practice from that spot hence, the little to no movement
76reliant 3 months ago
@lucky44124 There was a second person at the extreme left of the 6th floor. An extreme blow up of a photographic still (taken almost exactly as the limo passed the TSBD) shows that. Hence Oswald was innocent or didn't act alone.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Well, there was no movement on the 6th floor on that fateful day. I know this because had there been, DPD officers would have smelled it immediately, being fresh and all.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 5 months ago
Bull crap !! Fatal shot was from the front and right .
spirg 5 months ago
@spirg I've heard people say there was 2, a split second apart, one from in front and another from the back.
HearingLossProvider 5 months ago
@HearingLossProvider There were indeed two headshots, almost simultaneously. The original unedited zapruder film would show that. The version you see is edited bullshit to remove that fact and also create the impression that the limo continued almost without braking. The limo virtually stopped (to give an easy headshot). Many witnesses stated that
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@spirg The 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA have said otherwise. All of them said there was no medical evidence that JFK was shot from the front or side.
autoad 5 months ago
@autoad
Read Harold Weisberg's "Never Again" and learn about the Kennedy autopsy from the foremost authority on the assassination.
Easleytee 4 months ago
@Easleytee Harold Weisberg wrote that book with the intentions of making it a pro-conspiracy piece. He already had written a couple of pro-conspiracy books (my, what a shock) so one can't consider "Never Again" as objective. I'll rely on the findings of 9 professionally trained forensic pathologists and not those of a civilian with scant knowledge of medical forensics and a pro-conspiracy bias.
autoad 4 months ago
@autoad ALL the Parklands doctors said there was a large gaping (exit) wound to the rear right of the head (consistent with a shot from the front)
Personally I believe there were two almost simultaneous head shots from the front and from the back. The zapruder film you see is an FBI edited lie. One shot blew out the top right side of the head (explosive bullet or 'dum dum' bullet) leaving a flap of skull. The other blew out the rear right of the head
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee You're theory about entry/exit wounds does not explain how the particulate matter got blown forward covering the Connally's and the two agents in the front seat.
And again, you have ZERO ballistic evidence-ZERO physical evidence-ZERO medical evidence and ZERO forensic evidence to support your wild theory.
autoad 2 months ago
@autoad I didn't say there def wasn't a head shot from behind. I said there were two almost simultaneous head shots. JFK lurches forward for a brief fraction of a second and then back. I don't believe one bullet would cause both huge side damage to the head and rear damage as well. Many witnesses said the last two shots came VERY close together. Two headshots from two different directions would explain that. The zapruder film has been altered to hide that (and the limo stopping)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad ....and I can prove the zapruder film was altered (both re-timed and frames taken out.)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Impossible! The Z-film was never altered and there are ironclad facts that make alterations foolishly stupid.
1. You're dealing with 8mm film and there was not the technology available to make the so-called alterations.
2. If the technology did exist (and it didn't) there wasn't an opportunity nor time enough to make any alterations.
3. IF the film was altered ALL of the film and photos taken in Dealey Plaza by everyone else would have to be altered to match the changed Z-film.
autoad 2 months ago
@autoad 1. the technology was readily available and had been around since the 1920's.
2. The film was extensively scrutinised by the FBI and there was plenty of opportunity to alter it. (Alter not blatantly but enough to create the impression desired)
3. The other films were never in side by side comparison for a long time and even when direct comparison was and is made, the difference is not obvious mainly due to the distance from the car (Nix film) and the subtlety of the edit
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee IF the technology existed there wasn't time to alter the film. Zapruder had posession of the film the entire time before it went for processing. When the film was processed 3 copies were made. If someone altered one film the change would be noticed in the others. The original and a copy were in the possession of Zapruder. There wasn't time to fake the film. Your insistence in the "alteration" story shows the extent non-thinking people will go in their beliefs of goofy things.
autoad 2 months ago
@autoad I am not going to argue about who had possession of the film, when and how many copies were made. The fact remains that if you examine the film there is plenty of evidence of editing and manipulation. Do you want me to list all the anomalies in the film ? I will if you insist. The FBI, the CIA and the Warren commission all had plenty of access to it. It's a FRAUD designed to hide the stopping of the limo and the existence of a second headshot
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad The only 'non-thinking people' as you put it are people who accept the findings of the Warren Report because that's what they've been told to believe and all the paid shills on youtube that will sell their souls for a buck
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee You believe a goofy thing that has ZERO foundation of credibility. Your insistence of the fakery demonstrates how fully invested you've become with this goofy story. I suppose you've bought lots of pro-conspiracy books and you may be thinking you got "taken" by the theorists who've invented stories for the sole purpose of making a buck. You got snookered my friend. It's time you back away from this goofy story. There's no truth to it whatsoever.
autoad 2 months ago
@autoad Your passionate insistence on the official government line and the findings of the Warren Commission and the apparent lengths you will go to to KILL any dissent is rather odd and unnatural unless you are acting as an agent of a government body. i.e a SHILL
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad For your information, I have bought zero pro-conspiracy books. When I became interested in this subject I was impartial, however the evidence speaks for itself. Your own choice of words is typical of the FBI, CIA and all Shills. i.e if you cannot destroy the argument, try and discredit the person, failing that, resort to mockery. You must be getting a little desperate :o)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad
well simple editing was certainly around back then. zapruder testified before the WC that he began filming as the motorcade rounded elm and never stopped. yet we see the motorcycles rounding elm and then a jump in the film to the limo already having completed the turn and well on its way down elm.
there are some excellent videos on youtube detailing a large number of alterations to the Z film and explaining in minute detail how and why they were done.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
Zapruder NEVER said he stopped filming. That's a flat-out lie! You're 100% wrong!
The Z-film alteration story is complete and total foolishness and it's goofy. Only a peewit would give that pile of hogwash any credibility.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
1. I never said he stopped filming. That's the point. He says in his WC testimony that he "STARTED filming when the motorcade started coming in". He never once said he stopped filming and then started again.
2. read his testimony above then look it up yourself in the citation i provided.
3. peewit? my IQ is 162 pal. and yours... isn't.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Intelligent people don't brag about their IQ.
The quote you cite from the Warren Commission testimony is correct. It's your interpretation that's incorrect. Your statement was.." testified before the WC that he began filming as the motorcade rounded elm and never stopped". You said he told the Warren Commission "and never stopped". He never said that. You've added words to testimony he didn't say and it misrepresents what he said.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
"Intelligent people don't brag about their IQ."
1. how the hell would you know what intelligent people would or wouldn't do?
2. i wasn't bragging. i was making a factual rebuttal argument to your unfounded assertion that i was a "peewit".
3. what was Zapruder's testimony? Was it "I started filming and then I stopped because the limo hadn't rounded the corner yet and/or to conserve film"? no, it wasn't. Zapruder testified that he started filming when the MOTORCADE rounded elm.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood I agree he did say he started filming when the motorcade rounded the corner. But the phrase "rounded the corner" isn't precise. At what point when they "rounded the corner" did he begin filming. It appears to me based on the Z-film he did exactly that; he started filming when the motorcade rounded Elm. I take great exception to your addition of words and claim it's what he said. You added "never stopped filming". Zapruder didn't say that; you did. And when you add words to
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
"At what point when they "rounded the corner" did he begin filming."
you have eyes. what do you see? he began filming when the motorcade (as evidenced by the lead motorcycles) began rounding elm.
there was no reason to suddenly stop filming. he never said he stopped filming. yet you will find idiots claiming that he stopped to conserve film. that's just plain stupid and wrong.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Assuming it was edited is without any foundation. But yet, you tried to create one by attributing words to Zapruder that he never said. There is a very good reason why he would have stopped filming and then begin again. Earlier he had filmed his wife at home on the same reel of film and he did not know how much footage he had left. The motorcycles were ahead of the presidential limo and he began filming when the bikes made the turn and the limo is nowhere in sight. He stops
autoad 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
filming to conserve the remaining film. After the limo makes the turn he starts to film the motorcade. To conserve film is not stupid and wrong. I've shot 8mm film many times and the early cameras did not have a indicator of how much film was left on the reel.
But your attempt to create doubt by adding words to testimony that were never said is shameful and an indicator of questionable character.
Do we now have to scrutinize every word you say because of this?
Yes we do.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
excuse me but you are full of shit. YOU SHOW ME A QUOTE BY ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER THAT SAYS HE STOPPED FILMING. FOR ANY REASON.
you can't because he didn't.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
Show me a quote where he said he "never stopped filming". These are the words you dishonestly added to his testimony. These are words he never said but you deliberately mislead people to believe he offered them as part of his Warren Commission testimony.
If you spent more time being honest and less time trying to be clever, the rest of us would have to spend less time doubting and checking everything you post
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood If you really want to scrutinize the Z-film then you should be asking "Why didn't Zapruder film the lead vehicle in the motorcade"? The lead car was Police Chief Jesse Curry.
Was that edited out as well?
If the Z-film was edited Zapruder didn't say anything about it to the Warren Commission or anybody else. After all he had the original and a copy and if anything had been edited, faked, forged, altered or whaever, he would have said something about the change.
autoad 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood testimony and presenting them as factual, then that's dishonest.
In regards to what intelligent people do and don't do...intelligent people don't brag about their academic achievements and they don't try to impress people with their IQ.
I know lots of people with very high IQ's who haven't a stitch of common sense.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
"I know lots of people with very high IQ's who haven't a stitch of common sense."
a. i've got a bulletin for you. EVERY HUMAN BEING, including YOU, makes mistakes involving common sense.
b. your attitude is not uncommon. it's what most dumb asses tell themselves to make themselves feel better. the fact is i breezed thru school and make $120 grand a year doing "work" that hardly causes me to break a mental sweat.
oops. there i go again... bragging.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
I agree. I've made mistakes in the past and I'll make them in the future.
So where's the news in that revelation?
You seem to be compensating for something. I'm not a shrink but that makes two times you had to say something about yourself to either make yourself feel good or try to make someone else feel bad.
Either way, it's a disturbing issue and an indication that something is missing or there's a self perceived deficiency.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
hey, dumb ass. i was responding directly to YOUR asinine comment about "the high IQ people you know having no common sense". i even quoted it before my comment. what the fuck is wrong with you? i think you really ARE stupid.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
I stand corrected!
Amazing but true, contrary to popular myth I WAS WRONG!
Jesse Curry did not lead the motorcade through Dallas.
Actually, there were at least 4 motorcycle police officers who lead the motorcade, then another 3-4 motorcycles, then Jesse Curry and then the presidential limo.
You see...I do make mistakes! Yet I'm strong enough to admit the error and make a correction. This is where the CT's routinely fail. They're never wrong.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
before you break your arm patting yourself on the back, where is your source for this information? as usual you expect us to just take your word for it.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood I just sent you an address to your Message area.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
1.bp.blogspot.com/-d8l1Czyag9g/TZDucsKYlJI/AAAAAAAATbE/_-PLr8oEDUE/s800/101.%2BTurning%2BFrom%2BMain%2BTo%2BHouston.jpg
Curry's car well ahead on the turn onto elm. Nobody would mistake that vehicle as the presidential limo.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There are very few photos of Jesse Curry's car at the lead (almost) of the motorcade. It would be reasonable to believe Zapruder knew the motorcycles and Curry's car were at the lead of the motorcade. After all, he would have seen and heard them turn off Main St onto Houston. But your original statement said Zapruder said "I never stopped filming". That's incorrect. He never said that. You're wrong about Zapruder's testimony and you're wrong about the motorcade.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
how can i be wrong about curry? i never said he didn't lead the motorcade. as for Zapruder not saying he didn't stop filming, i am unable to find the quote. however, there are missing frames in the original film (damaged by lab technicians at Life magazine):
rense.com/political/zapruder.htm
as for the MANY alterations and a careful analysis of each and every one i suggest you watch the videos i kindly provided you links to. they prove that the original film was altered.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood It looks like we're going to agree on something. There are missing frame from the Z-film that were damaged by a technician. But it was a copy of the Z-film that was damaged and not the original.
Alterations to the Z-film would have been impossible for two reasons;
1. There wasn't time to "fix" the film. The original was processed and 3 copies were made immediately afterward.
2. All the other photos taken in Dealey would have to be gathered up and "fixed" to match the
autoad 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Z-film. Logistically, that would have been impossible. ALL of the movies, still photos taken by amateurs and professional would have to be confiscated, fixed and returned.
It would have been easier for the Z-film to have been destroyed and avoid the massive undertaking of "fixing" hundreds of photos.
Z-film "fixing" is the height of absurdity in the conspiracy theorist world and evidence of their disjointed thinking.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
you haven't watched the videos have you. watch them.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood No. They're a waste of my time. I've heard and read enough about the Z-film being faked and it's a scam.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad
i see. well, good luck to you then. bye.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Thanks. Good luck to you too. Bye.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad zeitgeist? total business minded movement to fk us all over in the end. becareful if thats the film you speakteth of
MiamiRSVP 3 weeks ago
@autoad
You said Z never said he stopped filming and I agreed with you. He never said he stopped. Why must you read into the transcript? Why must you make up facts not in evidence? Read exactly what Z said.
Why would you "get their early to get a good spot", say that you "wanted to get the motorcade rounding elm" but then as the motorcycles start rounding elm stop the camera? you wouldn't. that film was edited. why? because the first shot occurred at that point and the WC couldn't explain it.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee Any talk about the Z-film being altered is 100% pure garbage!
You can believe whatever you want, but don't expect the rest of the clear-thinking people to go goose-stepping with you down Conspiracy Looney Lane.
autoad 2 months ago
@autoad The technology to re-time the film WAS readily available. NO digital technology is needed. Similar things had been done with film as early as the late 1920's. The zapruder film you see is a 'composite' and basically a fraud.
I don't suppose you watched the youtube movie ' JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered ' because it challenges what you want to think.
Watch it, and in particular the 'cut out' lamp post, unnatural shadows and 'jumping' (missing frames).
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad I don't expect anyone to 'goose step' to anything, but I do expect you to watch the evidence I have pointed out before dismissing it like an ignoramus.
You will dismiss it I am sure, but only out of defensiveness and pride.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@autoad that's contradicted by what the Parklands doctors and nurses said.
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee Who is the better choice to examine the wounds/injuries when there's a fatality?
The ER Doctors and Nurses who are trying to save a life?
Or a team of pathologists who can examine the body of the victim and determine the cause of death?
autoad 1 month ago