Pedagogy of the Oppressed, part 1 of 2

[baronmorris]

great video!  thx for posting. looking fwd to checking out your other posts. :-)

Cheers to you. Peace to all.

[Staticnz]

Great video. I really want to read Pedagogy Of The Oppressed, after hearing about it (in all places) on Fox News. Fox always mentions texts in negative ways, and that's how I know they are worth reading.

[DrCruel]

As for Goebbels, he was not a Marxist per se, but he was close to one. He certainly did derive many of his ideas from Marx, to include the association between Jews and capitalism, and he likewise was most certainly a socialist, as were all Nazis. To say otherwise is revisionist history of the worst sort.

I am neither a devil nor a goose, and I have been quite specific. Again, I suspect your derisive personal abuse is prompted by ideological interests rather than a concern for veracity.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Psychiatrists assert 90% of all communication is projection. You are projecting your propaganda nonsense on to myself. Nazis were fascists, who put the word socialist in their name to attract folks to their cause. Please read a book about the history of socialism. I can recommend a few.

Instead of silly goose or devil, how about nitwit?

[DrCruel]

Again I am neither a goose or a devil, nor am I a nitwit. I am a civil commenter communicating to you some rather well known facts. For some reason (and I have suggested what that reason might be), you have decided to reply with personal abuse.

Nazis were indeed fascists. They were also socialists, and took much of their anti-Semitic ideology from Marxism. I have cited a number of examples. Look them up.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

None of the books I have read and referenced on the history of socialism, categorizes socialists as either fascists or anti semites. You are the only source who makes these claims. While the authors you reference are unheard of, I reference giants in their fields. C. Wright Mills is America's premier intellectual and Edmund Wilson was America's premier literary critic. I have no need to read unknowns and propagandists in the History of Ideas, when the giants are available to me.

[DrCruel]

Have you read the cites by Marx I gave you? Have you read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg?

I would think Karl Marx himself would be more authoritative in regards his ideological leanings than what a commentator on his works has to say, regardless of how valued his works may be.

Empirical evidence always trumps appeals to authority. If it were otherwise, astronomy would have never progressed from Aristotle to Kepler.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

You have not been reading my responses - such discourtesy. Rather then read about Marx's problematic personal life, I conceded your point - and you did not notice.

It is surprising that a scholar such as yourself is unable to distinguish between the private Marx and the Public Marx. The former is petty and passing the latter is for eternity. Its a shame you didn't read my full post. Its around here somewhere. It was pretty good.

Will Jonah Goldberg be among the giants?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

You did not read my post simply accepting your information that Marx' personal life was problematic. My post noted you are unable to distinguish between the private Marx and the Public Man. The former is petty and passing, the latter will live to infinity to become a tale of eternity.

[DrCruel]

I did read your posts, but do not remember the part that explained how the written opinions of someone who is known by virtue of his written opinions is immaterial to who that person was.

If there is some sacred figure of the Holy Marx that I you venerate, you may assume that none of what I say has to do with Him. My commentary only applies to the real Karl Marx of history, and not the worshipped figure addressed in Marxian theology.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

My two posts are just above your most recent reply. Your failure to understand is OK with me. You are not in my "target" audience.

[DrCruel]

I understand, and agree. I certainly mean you no ill will, and have not meant to disrupt your presentation. I did mean to unequivocally express my dissent and criticism, which I think has reasonably been accomplished.

We at the least agree that education in the US needs to be reformed. If you believe you have a workable means to that goal, and are doing something constructive to that end, I wish you luck.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Look for my next presentation on Education featuring a Catholic priest's book "Deschooling Society" and an American Liberal's book "Compulsory Miseducation." Do your homework and be prepred this time.

[DrCruel]

I always do my homework, and I'm prepared now as always, but I'm the sort to get out of the way for those who are deliberate on a destination. Whether it's over a cliff or not is their business. I'd just as soon let evolution take its course.

I'll look for the installment of "Radio Hogan" you suggest. I may even waste a bit of your and my time by leaving a comment or two. Cheers.

[DrCruel]

Why don't we dispose of the color-based inner city class system imposed by the Marx-based so-called "progressive" methods of indoctrination imposed by the education monopoly, and instead truly progress to a citizen-based curricula with a free market based school-choice mechanism at its root? Marxism itself has proved historically to be a complete disaster, while private US schools have easily outdistanced US public schools. Why should we continue to allow Marx-based racists to run our schools?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Dear Doctor: Are you a propagandist, agent provocateur, or a fool? All three?

[DrCruel]

Neither. But I am someone who is deeply concerned about the ever-declining quality of our public schools, much of it attributable to the infusion of Marxian myth into the curricula through propaganda masquerading as "progressive" pedagogy. I also consider Marxism in the same ideological category as Nazism and other systems based on class/race hatred, mainly because of the historical record.

Might I ask you then - do you have a principled reason to oppose a school choice system in the US?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel I oppose all bourgeois school systems: state run, charter schools, etc. I do favor the teachings of a Catholic priest named Ivan Illich (Deschooling Society) and an American social critic named Paul Goodman (Compulsory Miseducation).

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

As to your propaganda, what can I say? Only a G-man would assert Marxists are racists. As to the historical record didn't the greatest American, Dr Martin Luther King sat America is the most violent country on the planet? Surely American capitalism & imperialism mass murdered more then Hitler or Stalin.

[DrCruel]

Or a Ukranian. Or a Tibetian. Or a Montagnard. Or a Miskito Indian. Or a member of the Hmong.

I know of few G-Men specifically drawn from these groups. I do know that Hitler's anti-Semitism was drawn from the writings of Karl Marx.

As to having any principled reason to oppose a school choice program, may I assume your answer is that you have none?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

What is your point regarding the groups you mentioned? The list is just a list; what's your point?

Please prove your assertion about Marx being racist and a racist Jew, at that. The foremost authorities on Marx and marxists in "The Marxists" by C. Wright Mills, America's foremost intellectual. You might also read "To the Finland station" by America's foremost critic, Edmund Wilson. Don't G-men receive an education?

[DrCruel]

I would suggest you read Karl Marx in regards his "On the Jewish Question" and "A World Without Jews". You might also peruse his article entitled "The Russian Loan". Much in his personal correspondence is similarly noxious.

I am neither a "G-Man" nor a libertarian, but I do have a notably critical view of Marxism - that view being very much backed up by solid empirical evidence. Might that be why you've taken such a decidely insulting tone in your responses?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

There is no doubt Marx, the private man was a without social graces. He miss treated his wife, mistress, friend, his friend's Irish common law wife and worker, he attacked those he perceived as rivals, etc. The list is long and now we must include anti semitism.

Marx the public man: economist, a father of sociology, political critic, publisher, idealist, revolutionary, conservative. Marx was many things. The fact is, Marx's ideas freed many millions from racist, Imperial slavery.

[DrCruel]

(As for my list, they are of ethnic groups that have suffered ethnic cleansing and/or genocides at the hands of Marxist factions.

I accuse Marxists of being racist, not because I am a "G-Man", but because Marxists have historically behaved as racists. I consider this to be an uncontroversial stance, much like claiming that Marxists were directly responsible for most of the slaughter of the 20th century - outdoing even the disgusting spectacle of the monarchists in the Great War.)

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

I agree with Dr Martin Luther King. America leads all Imperial crusaders in mass murders accumulated over the 20th Century. Be Proud! Be American!

We are second to none. How dare you place us a mere 2nd or 3rd in mass murder?

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

You Devil. You silly goose. You never get specific. If you got specific, I might be able to offer readers an alternate view.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

My oppostion to the school system is based on Friere, Illich and Goodman. As a Libertarian know nothing, I don't expect you to actually read books.

[DrCruel]

I did not defend the US school system. I suggested that parents should be able to choose teh schools their children attend, and thus have some say in the curricula of those schools.

I'm fairly literate, and have what I think to be a good grasp of the Marxian ideologies of the 20th century, to include Bolshevism, Nazism and Maoism. My conclusions are based on sifting through much of the core materials for this Marxist totalitarian mumbo-jumbo, to include writings by Trotsky and Goebbels.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Part X

You have proven to have placed yourself beyond the pale. You may continue to place your riffs on my channel, however, I will not respond to anyone who refers to Joseph Goebbels as a Marxist.

The Cruel one is saying he is better at reading and interpreting source material better then C. Wright Mills ("The Marxists") and / or Edmund Wilson ("To the Finland Station"). Our finest minds do not feature Goebbels as a Marxist. Only agent provocateurs make such bizarre statements.

[bapyou]

@DrCruel "[I] have what I think to be a good grasp of the Marxian ideologies of the 20th century . . . Bolshevism, Nazism and Maoism."

Dear asshole: Aside from being a snide snob, you are yet another conservative assfucker who has never read Mein Kampf. If you had, you'd know that your conservative buddy Adolph -- savior of German capitalism -- loathed at least two groups beyond all others: Communists/Marxists and Jews. So tell us how "Marxists" are the same as Fascists, you stupid fuck.

[DrCruel]

@bapyou And Stalin and Trotsky loathed each other as well. Plenty of anarchists loathe both. That doesn't demonstrate that any of these people were anything other than Marxian Leftists.

Adolf Hitler copied many of his ideas from Marxism, and his movement (the NSDAP) started as a Marxist political faction. But you know these things, as I've told this all to you before. Thus "Marxian".

I also see that you're still substituting foul language for rational arguments. Some people never learn.

[baronmorris]

@DrCruel

Just because Hitler called himself a Socialist doesn't make him one. It's called co-opting a movement. Like buying a tie-dye t-shirt at Wal-Mart. Take Hitler at his word, why don't you... He was so very honest and lucid. (since nuance is apparently lost on you, I will also tell you that was sarcasm)

If you are going to try to be so unilaterally authoritative (authoritarian boot-licking anyone?), try also being right. That is all. Good luck out there in the world and all.

Peace!

[DrCruel]

@baronmorris By this logic, every socialist movement that ever existed was somehow "co-opted" by bad people.

I am right about this, not because I'm some sort of genius or have an encyclopedic knowledge of the period, but because it's blindingly obvious. There wasn't anything "free market" about Nazism, and everything that was collectivist. Nazism literally was a social engineering project, and domestic Nazi policies were very socialist.

Good luck to you too. Go read some good books.

[baronmorris]

@DrCruel

authoritarianism is right wing. fascism is right wing. carry on deluded... it makes no difference. :-P

p e a c e

[DrCruel]

@baronmorris Authoritarianism is "right wing" - except when it's run by the "Leftist vanguard" (anyone else remember the term "dictatorship of the proletariat"?) Fascism is "right wing", except in the 1920s when Mussolini was a lauded leader of the Left (remember the song, "You're the Top?") And so on.

I wouldn't use the word delusions. More like deliberate deceit. Orwell called it Newspeak, but I'd just as soon call it Leftspeak myself.

You really do need to educate yourself.

[DrCruel]

@bapyou Youa re most certainly aware, as I am, that Adolf Hitler excoriates both Marxism and capitalism in his book. He even claims that the "bourgoisie" are Marxists too. And of course Hitler is critical of democracy too.

If you look at the works of leading socialists, you will find that much of what lies within is nonsensical. In this sense, Mein Kampf and Das Kapital share much in common. And of course, both Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler were openly anti-Semitic.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Part Y

Certainly Stalin intentionally mass murdered perhaps 15 million Ukranians.

The Montagnard were a very small tribe in Laos. To my knowledge they were used as CIA soldiers. As such, they, no doubt, came under attack.

The Humong are also a small tribe used as a CIA asset. Many were relocated to America. In both cases the number of deaths must be small due to the size of these tribes. Then there is the question of responsiblity. Is the CIA responsible for the deaths?

See Pt Z

[DrCruel]

The US aided the Montagnards and Hmong against extermination campaigns ongoing by the communists. The US eventually gave up, so in that sense they may share some responsibility for their demise - although certainly not as much as their dedicated killers. As for the Miskito, we subsequently aided them against the Sandanistas, and they survived.

I should think the latter was a good thing. Most decent human beings would feel likewise.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

Part Z

I know of no mass murders in Tibet. Nor do the finest China scholars of my time.

Where do the Mistito fit in?

[DrCruel]

If your fine Chinese scholars work for the PRC, I have no doubt they would record no murders. Other scholars (Courtois, Walker, Rummel) conservatively estimate about 1 million Tibetans were killed in the process of "liberating" their country and repopulating it with Han Chinese.

The Montagnards fought back against communist racism long before - and long after - the American presense in Indochina.

And the Sandanistas made an abortive attempt to "do away" with the Miskito in 1980.

[radiohogan]

@DrCruel

The China scholars I referred to are John K. Fairbank of Harvard and A. Dock Barrnet of Columbia U and Johns Hopkins U. These gentlemen are not Chinese.

Both men testified before Congress that Tibet has always been an integral part of China. Your 1 million mass murder number is total American propaganda. Beware of the CIA Wurlitzer.

So, how many Montagnards died fighting for American Imperialism?

Your claim that the Sandanistas set out to mass murder Indians, is absolutely false.

[DrCruel]

The Tibetan people would tend to disagree with you. In any event, if Tibet has always been an "integral part" of the PRC, why was an invasion in 1956 necessary to "reunify" these people? What is this apparently "non-existant" Tibetan culture the PRC themselves argue they are not destroying by resettling the region with Han Chinese colonists?

In 1980, the Sandanistas did very well seek to crush the Miskito Indians. Or did they subsequently apologize for something that did not happen?

[jjklach]

good video. I'm reading the book right now, this helped clarify a few things.

[radiohogan]

Hello:

I have spent a lifetime trying to clarify this one. Have you checked out my YT video: "Teacher Torture?"

Live and Be Well / Mike Hogan

[lucyaddis81]

I hope you are doing well, this video is great!

[radiohogan]

Hi

Thanks.

All the Best / Mike Hogan