@Barciad Tacitus would disagree. He had 'vicious vices' and power gave him the license to act thereupon - power destroyed Tiberius he thought - without it he would've remained the saturnine but upright man he was before attaining it....if you love Graves's books you'll love Tacitus (and Plutarch)
@jusproc Something involving a "sounds-like" in Latin, perhaps? I don't know more than a few words of Latin, but it would sort of fit the standard of Latin-turned-English if "corn" came from the word for "wheat" and "wheat" came from...something else entirely.
If you read the historical accounts of the invasions of britania, it didn't take the romans long to turn warlords on one another. The romans had them fighting each other, more than the romans fought.
bollox-they made slaves out of the germans they defeated over the years-tryin to say the britons were harder-no way-that was stuck un there by the english writers
Poor old Tiberius was so in love with his former wife Vipsania, but his own mother Livia, made him divorce her, that was the reason why Tiberius became a mad man.
since marc antony died indeed, he went to Egypt to kill him......Augustus is played here as a "nice" fellow, when really he was terrible!! I liked the ROME HBO's version of Augustus better, more believable. That actor portrayed him as one who would like being married to Livia.
I think both versions play out. It's just, after he'd gotten all his killing done, he had to reinvent the bloodthirsty Octavian as the genial patriarch Augustus.
Just because he was politically astute with no qualms killing those he needed out of the way, doesn't mean he can't be nice to his own family. I feel that the way he's played in here that he's just as likely to kill someone as marry them into his family, depending on which is more convenient to him. Make nice to those he needs and dispose of them quickly afterwards with no qualms. He doesn't give a damn about what's healthy for his stepson. Means to an end, and charm can be a very good means.
@marym499 Marc Anthony wanted to change Rome for Egypt and give all the power to the Whore Queen Cleopatra. That's why the people of Rome wanted him destroyed.
@piontroI like Marc Antony because he was his own man. Cleopatra, as all rulers, was ruthless and a genius. She could have very easily ruled Rome and done a much better job than most of the very corrupt Roman emperors.
yes, for the most part you are watching historically accurate events dramatized-
What is being said is the writers interpretation of what happened between people- but the people all lived and died mostly as is depicted-
Clothing, social customs and behaviour
mode of travel and communication, food,etc are all quite as accurate as can be-read Robert Graves' books in between viewings if you can to get the whole picture-
You're being entertained watching this series. A study of history would require that you read the source material -- books, articles. There are still no shortcuts to true learning
thanx 4 lettin me know. i knew the republic (or empire) had fallen but never thought of the republic ever bn restored (literally) unless u look at politics as it is 2day (we have the republic n democrats)
Is it just me, or does the little kid on the right look and sound startlingly like Skandar Keynes (Edmund from The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe)?
augustus was a man of virtue that is why he ruled for so long
iorixs 8 months ago
I feel so sorry for Tiberius. A decent man ruined by his appalling mother.
Barciad 11 months ago
@Barciad Tacitus would disagree. He had 'vicious vices' and power gave him the license to act thereupon - power destroyed Tiberius he thought - without it he would've remained the saturnine but upright man he was before attaining it....if you love Graves's books you'll love Tacitus (and Plutarch)
AlanWattParrot 9 months ago
@Barciad well, that's this story...
Jemmer1000 4 months ago
I like the bust of septimius severus thats behind Livia in the garden.
CDspartan21 1 year ago
@CDspartan21 they were ahead of their time
Jemmer1000 4 months ago
That look Augustus gives Drusus at 4:33 is so creepy. Reminds you that behind that jolly facade is a ruthless chessmaster.
Falor5151 1 year ago
4:33 Jolly old Augustus-- except when he isn't!
cbalsz 1 year ago
I love how they talk about conquering lands and enslaving people so casually. "...They make poor slaves". Lol
rshelly123 1 year ago
Huh, Tiberius & Drusus - now I know where Tolkien received his inspiration for Boromir and Faramir.
christimacc 1 year ago 2
Corn?
mosprime2 1 year ago
@mosprime2 It was really wheat, which was the main for Rome; corn was from the Americas, I don't know why Graves replaced wheat with corn.
jusproc 1 year ago
@jusproc Something involving a "sounds-like" in Latin, perhaps? I don't know more than a few words of Latin, but it would sort of fit the standard of Latin-turned-English if "corn" came from the word for "wheat" and "wheat" came from...something else entirely.
Freefalldreams 9 months ago
@jusproc corn Noun, OE (Brit.) grain, esp. wheat. any cereal crop
alexei06 3 weeks ago
If you read the historical accounts of the invasions of britania, it didn't take the romans long to turn warlords on one another. The romans had them fighting each other, more than the romans fought.
A1R5N1P3R 1 year ago
bollox-they made slaves out of the germans they defeated over the years-tryin to say the britons were harder-no way-that was stuck un there by the english writers
1hourigan 1 year ago
poor slaves indeed! ahh, but very good MASTERS.
nickyact1 1 year ago
Poor old Tiberius was so in love with his former wife Vipsania, but his own mother Livia, made him divorce her, that was the reason why Tiberius became a mad man.
piontro 1 year ago
"There's nothing of value there and they make very poor slaves."
Great stuff
guitarcapo 1 year ago
You all should read both books that this series is based on. Excellent Reading!!!
ThoughtTraveler 2 years ago 3
I read both of them. I loved especially the first one.
skepticaldemocrat 2 years ago 2
Love it that the boys are playing the original edition of the game Risk ;-)
spinozareader 2 years ago 12
since marc antony died indeed, he went to Egypt to kill him......Augustus is played here as a "nice" fellow, when really he was terrible!! I liked the ROME HBO's version of Augustus better, more believable. That actor portrayed him as one who would like being married to Livia.
marym499 2 years ago
I think both versions play out. It's just, after he'd gotten all his killing done, he had to reinvent the bloodthirsty Octavian as the genial patriarch Augustus.
Setzer2500 2 years ago 4
Just because he was politically astute with no qualms killing those he needed out of the way, doesn't mean he can't be nice to his own family. I feel that the way he's played in here that he's just as likely to kill someone as marry them into his family, depending on which is more convenient to him. Make nice to those he needs and dispose of them quickly afterwards with no qualms. He doesn't give a damn about what's healthy for his stepson. Means to an end, and charm can be a very good means.
imasinnerimasaint 2 years ago 2
@marym499 Marc Anthony wanted to change Rome for Egypt and give all the power to the Whore Queen Cleopatra. That's why the people of Rome wanted him destroyed.
piontro 1 year ago
@piontroI like Marc Antony because he was his own man. Cleopatra, as all rulers, was ruthless and a genius. She could have very easily ruled Rome and done a much better job than most of the very corrupt Roman emperors.
marym499 1 year ago
It is true that Britons make very poor slaves!
Radders123 2 years ago 13
Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the Waves. Britons shall never ever ever be Slaves.
Mayer200 2 years ago 5
yes, for the most part you are watching historically accurate events dramatized-
What is being said is the writers interpretation of what happened between people- but the people all lived and died mostly as is depicted-
Clothing, social customs and behaviour
mode of travel and communication, food,etc are all quite as accurate as can be-read Robert Graves' books in between viewings if you can to get the whole picture-
piscean60 2 years ago
is this historically accurate? Am I learning about history when I watch this show?
redskull2006 2 years ago 2
You're being entertained watching this series. A study of history would require that you read the source material -- books, articles. There are still no shortcuts to true learning
jonwiley 2 years ago 4
@redskull2006 Possibly a more accurate portrayal is 'Carry on Cleo' or 'Up Pompeii'- check those out.........
LeamingtonSteve 1 year ago
Augustus just tells them all what they want to hear and acts how he would of anyway.
pscucailin 2 years ago 2
I'm probably not following this closely enough but what happened to Octavia?
rscmrcmd 3 years ago
octavia is the "mother" of tiberius
horusrage 3 years ago
Livia was Tiberius' mother. Octavia was Marcellus' and Antonia's mother.
miladyfencer 2 years ago 5
Sorry your right there my bad.
horusrage 2 years ago
Augustus ... hes like a lion with cubs
horusrage 3 years ago 2
1:35 my duty comes b4 pleasure
oh so this was afrer the time of marc antony
"rome will bever b a republic again" then what would it have been? a democrat lol
phdseuss 3 years ago
An empire or fallen. The republic was not literally restored.
horusrage 3 years ago
thanx 4 lettin me know. i knew the republic (or empire) had fallen but never thought of the republic ever bn restored (literally) unless u look at politics as it is 2day (we have the republic n democrats)
phdseuss 3 years ago
7:51 love this scene! thx for uploading the series :)
yoanako 3 years ago 3
Is it just me, or does the little kid on the right look and sound startlingly like Skandar Keynes (Edmund from The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe)?
ramesdale 3 years ago
Read the books!
winston5610 3 years ago 2
wait... so those two little kids are Augustus's grandsons (Julia's kids)? It didn't say.
SlowDaddie 3 years ago
Yeah, they are Gaius and Lucius. They are Augustus's grandsons through Julia and Agrippa. :)
Stargazer19 3 years ago 3