I prefer Cencic to many other countertenors but doing a Rossini cd with a countertenor voice it's like singing Gregorian Chants with a romantic tenor voice.
A musical inconsistent project and pure commercial stuff!
@crazygirl0071 NO he is NOT by any means he jokes around with it he's my friend, and so does male [modal register] soprano Michael Maniaci. he is simply an INCREDIBLY TALENTED and exquisitelty trained COUNTER-TENOR or tenor singing in falsetto which transposes the voice about an octave up in tessitura placement, making his voice equivalent to that of MEZZO-SOPRANO fach.
This is very artificial to me. The aria is evidently changed in it's tonality, much lower than the original. I think it wasn't Rossini's desire; also he was thinking clearly in a woman when he wrote this repertoire. I prefer Horne and Bartoli!
The score is written in E-flat, he sings in E-flat. Compare to the other Rossini aria (w/ Spinosi,) which is in E-natural, same opera. Slides right on up to G-sharp with no trouble at all and it's not a falsettist-style. Prefering Horne or Bartoli is simply taste, neither right nor wrong; he does a FANTASTIC job of it. I do however get really tired of the accusation that singers ajust tonality for a vocal advantage; an absurd charge and untrue here as in other places it's been said in youtube.
@UlfenDaddy Maybe you are right about the tonality, but I still think that if a composer think in a specific kind of voice when he designe the arias (in this case, a woman's voice), that kind of voice should sing the part, at least that is the ideal for me. But I agree with you, at the end, is a matter of taste.
@kh Oh for the most part I agree; the composer's intention was a clear, high female coloratura voice. The intrigue is a talent such as Cencic: how should he, with his experience (Weiner SngK, etc) proceed? That high male voices for opera will never be typical is obvious. This repertoire with him is sui generis, and while it's odd, the question is, Was is a pleasant musical experience? With his talent and personal joy of singing, I enjoyed it thoroughly. I suspect Rossini would've also...
this is a perfectly absurd statement. A countertenor does not require drugs or anything else to "keep his voice like this." It's training in the falsetto range that provides the sound. This is nothing like a true soprano or even a boy soprano. Further, critics praise Cencic's work, so he cannot be quite as awful as you're stating.
Cencic sounds just great now! What is your concern then? Why don't you just relax and listen to his wonderful singing instead of speculating what he might have done while he didn't sing?! Do you like this aria or not in his rendition? I guess not if you think only about this...
@MGHall07 A man can also be a male Soprano if he uses his head voice. It actually preferred to used head voice. David Daniels, and Andreas Scholl are countertenors that use head voice. I think Max Emanuel Cencic might use head voice too. Male Sopranos use head voice to. Head voice gives a stronger sound then falsetto.
@hibyeeee2 Let me try to clarify your statements, because you are apparently confused in some fundamental facts. First of all, a man such as RADU MARIAN or MICHAEL MANIACI can be termed male MODAL sopranos because their physiology is producing the voice in MODAL register, NOT falsetto, Falsetto is a TONE of HEAD VOICE and is a function of MODAL register, therefore it is allowed in operatic repotoire if disciplined accordingly.
@MGHall07 I do not aree with you, it is not like natural soprano. Natural soprano is something like a cotton, falsetto is something like nylon. Voice of Cencic and Jaroussky is like coolmax- not natural but excellent, very nice for body.
@2010wieliczka I'm not saying that countertenors are like sopranos. I was just pointing out that it does not require drugs for a man to sing in a higher register. As I wrote, it is nothing like being a true soprano or a boy soprano. I'm confused what the disagreement is. Either way, Cencic has a great voice and is an amazing talent.
This guy is fenomenal. I agree his acting may look effeminate, although the style of portamento from a castrato voice requires a delicate approach. Very nice coloratura indeed. The one and only thing I should bother is the use of ancient strings and woodwinds, which makes the result falling a bit short. The timeless greatness of Rossini's crescendos within cabalettas is far beyond any presumptous effort in faithful reconstruction.
I don't believe that one could accurately compare Cencic and Daniels, they each have their strengths. Cencic truly sounds like a soprano which, to me, isn't always preferable to the more masculine sound that Daniels has which fits the masculine roles that he sings. Cencic on the other hand has a beautiful tone though it can be effeminate at times and his coloratura rivals that of Daniels but again its's like trying to compare Cecilia Bartoli and Sumi Jo
having half the band on period hardware and the other half on modern hardware is like trying to run a new car on a lump of coal. it doesn't make a difference. Classical bows have no effect on metal strings and a modern set-up. Tension, people, tension. If you're going to be modern be modern, if you're going to be HIP be HIP. Just don't half-ass it and sell it as a good alternative. Rossini sounds great on 100% modern OR historical instruments. This is just lame.
i was just ranting because i think it's a half-assed way of making music, as far as the instruments being used. there are natural brass instruments mixed with modern winds, among other really odd particulars. my point is that mixing two very different colors such as metal strings on modern set-up violins or having half the band on period instruments and the other half on modern creates a very bad balance in terms of sound production, dynamics, and articulation making it very uneven.
this isnt mozart era opera, most woodwinds achieved what is essentially their modern keywork by the mid 19th century when this was written. how would you be able to tell that anyway just from watching a video? if youre looking for black wooden flutes as constituting 'period' instruments, they still use them in europe most of the time, silver is just what most american player prefer, and they dont really sound much different. period instruments arent typically a big concern in bel canto.
As far as countertenor's go, I prefer Daniels, but this guy is good. I do agree that the voice might be a little high for some of the lower pants roles.
I listened to Marilyn Horne as you suggested and there's no doubt I much prefer Cencic's rendition. He has a much sweeter, mellower voice and his interpretation is very pleasing to my ears! But these things are all a matter of taste.
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a man must be act like a man no? anmens have a voice different, what kind of role they can do in an opera a angel may be or a god but, i dont know, is difficultmmm you are looking a man, but your shut your eyes and you are listening a woman if there have a different with a soprano or a mzzo i cant found it variation. may be is better explain in this way =)
Well, during the baroque era, it wasn't so. Some male parts were sung by women, and this went on after the baroque period (Verdi, Strauss) and the contrary (female roles sung by men) existed as well.
And this is a heritage from much more ancient times, for example in Greek theater, all parts were played by males.
After all the enthusiasm of the past years, I think I'm not the only one who is tired of countertenors. There are a lot of good female contraltos that deserve more attention (especially in this Rossinian repertoire, of course). But if countertenors are to be used, we should not accept anything less than Cencic. Bravo!
right you can't compare Ewa Podles with a countertenor...the countertenor is male singing male roles in the baroque style...
the most of the transvestite contraltos and mezzos are female singing MALE characters and in the most of the cases tottally out of style they sing Purcell or Handel like Verdi or Bizet
Rossini actually wrote this Role of "Arsace" in Semiramide for Rosa Mariani. As the name Rosa suggests she was a female (contralto). So from the beginning a woman was intended to play a male role. Neither a castrato, nor a counter tenor and definitely not a transvestite. Ok Rosa was probably in that moment a cross-dresser. It does not really matter if a male plays a male role and sings with a female voice, or a female plays a male role and sings with a female voice. Its all a shambles anyway.
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I love the orchestra and the conductor, appropriately ebullient. The singer,however, is not satisfying. Even provided you accept a falsettist for roles written for contralti, his voice is way too light and sopranoish for such low-lying tessituras.
It's Arsace's II act aria from Semiramide. Try listening to Marilyn Horne, Ewa Podles or Martine Dupuy for the REAL thing. Mr Cencic should sing Bel raggio lusinghier, or even better Di piacer mi balza il cor (from The Thieving Magpie).
Isnt Bel Raggio Lusinghier a female role song? I question this because i'm a male soprano and I'm working on In Si Barbara, and I'd much rather prefer to sing Bel Raggio Lusinghier!
Yes, Bel Raggio is Semiramide's presentation aria. But since Rossini wrote neither Arsace nor Semiramide for falsetto voices (the first Arsace being Rosa Mariani, the first Semiramide Isabella Colbran), I think you can sing whatever you want :)
Even though Arsace is a male role (pants role), and Semiramide is a female role? I mean, I'm not one to complain, I sang Olympia's Doll Song from the Tales of Hoffman for a recital, but that was more of a "character" song. I wouldn't be able to actually preform as Semiramide or Olympia, but Arsace? Sure! I may look at Semiramide's aria though. It's fun!
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I prefer Cencic to many other countertenors but doing a Rossini cd with a countertenor voice it's like singing Gregorian Chants with a romantic tenor voice.
A musical inconsistent project and pure commercial stuff!
MisterPapageno 2 months ago
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MisterPapageno 2 months ago
Bloody fantastic!!
andyuk 6 months ago
歌うマックスの姿を久しぶりに拝見しました。 少年合唱団時代を懐かしく思い出しました。大人になって声量も増して、より魅力的な声になっていて、大変感動いたしました。
ImmaculataMaria 7 months ago
svaka ČAST ...... MAX JE IPAK MAX.... BRAVO
GOGGYgant 10 months ago
So Cencic is a castrato or what?
crazygirl0071 11 months ago
@crazygirl0071 NO he is NOT by any means he jokes around with it he's my friend, and so does male [modal register] soprano Michael Maniaci. he is simply an INCREDIBLY TALENTED and exquisitelty trained COUNTER-TENOR or tenor singing in falsetto which transposes the voice about an octave up in tessitura placement, making his voice equivalent to that of MEZZO-SOPRANO fach.
whistlenotelover 11 months ago
But how many languages does this guy speak??? Shit. :-)
amatorynumber 11 months ago
opino que este cantante tiene una tecnica excepcional,pero no deja que las arias se interioricen dentro de el,canta muy bien pero friamente
periquito350 1 year ago
This is very artificial to me. The aria is evidently changed in it's tonality, much lower than the original. I think it wasn't Rossini's desire; also he was thinking clearly in a woman when he wrote this repertoire. I prefer Horne and Bartoli!
khothye 1 year ago
The score is written in E-flat, he sings in E-flat. Compare to the other Rossini aria (w/ Spinosi,) which is in E-natural, same opera. Slides right on up to G-sharp with no trouble at all and it's not a falsettist-style. Prefering Horne or Bartoli is simply taste, neither right nor wrong; he does a FANTASTIC job of it. I do however get really tired of the accusation that singers ajust tonality for a vocal advantage; an absurd charge and untrue here as in other places it's been said in youtube.
UlfenDaddy 1 year ago
@UlfenDaddy Maybe you are right about the tonality, but I still think that if a composer think in a specific kind of voice when he designe the arias (in this case, a woman's voice), that kind of voice should sing the part, at least that is the ideal for me. But I agree with you, at the end, is a matter of taste.
khothye 1 year ago
@kh Oh for the most part I agree; the composer's intention was a clear, high female coloratura voice. The intrigue is a talent such as Cencic: how should he, with his experience (Weiner SngK, etc) proceed? That high male voices for opera will never be typical is obvious. This repertoire with him is sui generis, and while it's odd, the question is, Was is a pleasant musical experience? With his talent and personal joy of singing, I enjoyed it thoroughly. I suspect Rossini would've also...
UlfenDaddy 1 year ago
super wonderful voice - I hope he will one day travel on tour to the USA.
yarmo28 1 year ago
The conductor is very cute...Impressive coloraturas ! She voice sounds very natural. Good job
tetrazzini 1 year ago
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vctvi 2 years ago
this is a perfectly absurd statement. A countertenor does not require drugs or anything else to "keep his voice like this." It's training in the falsetto range that provides the sound. This is nothing like a true soprano or even a boy soprano. Further, critics praise Cencic's work, so he cannot be quite as awful as you're stating.
MGHall07 2 years ago 5
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vctvi 2 years ago
Cencic sounds just great now! What is your concern then? Why don't you just relax and listen to his wonderful singing instead of speculating what he might have done while he didn't sing?! Do you like this aria or not in his rendition? I guess not if you think only about this...
serenaluce 2 years ago 5
@MGHall07 A man can also be a male Soprano if he uses his head voice. It actually preferred to used head voice. David Daniels, and Andreas Scholl are countertenors that use head voice. I think Max Emanuel Cencic might use head voice too. Male Sopranos use head voice to. Head voice gives a stronger sound then falsetto.
hibyeeee2 1 year ago
@hibyeeee2 Let me try to clarify your statements, because you are apparently confused in some fundamental facts. First of all, a man such as RADU MARIAN or MICHAEL MANIACI can be termed male MODAL sopranos because their physiology is producing the voice in MODAL register, NOT falsetto, Falsetto is a TONE of HEAD VOICE and is a function of MODAL register, therefore it is allowed in operatic repotoire if disciplined accordingly.
whistlenotelover 11 months ago
@MGHall07 I do not aree with you, it is not like natural soprano. Natural soprano is something like a cotton, falsetto is something like nylon. Voice of Cencic and Jaroussky is like coolmax- not natural but excellent, very nice for body.
2010wieliczka 8 months ago
@2010wieliczka I'm not saying that countertenors are like sopranos. I was just pointing out that it does not require drugs for a man to sing in a higher register. As I wrote, it is nothing like being a true soprano or a boy soprano. I'm confused what the disagreement is. Either way, Cencic has a great voice and is an amazing talent.
MGHall07 8 months ago
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Not to my taste; not very good
vctvi 2 years ago
His singing is just awesome!
serenaluce 2 years ago
Je découvre ce grand chanteur. Quelle voix ! Et quel magnétisme...
TheEvaCarlson 2 years ago 2
very well executed coloratura
chevrox 2 years ago
Perfeito !!!
Bravo !!! Bravíssimo !!!
Edulirios 2 years ago 3
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i dont like that he cant sing the high notes a female contralto would have sung
skitzo429 2 years ago
Brilliant!"!!!!!
Tigermuc 2 years ago
This guy is fenomenal. I agree his acting may look effeminate, although the style of portamento from a castrato voice requires a delicate approach. Very nice coloratura indeed. The one and only thing I should bother is the use of ancient strings and woodwinds, which makes the result falling a bit short. The timeless greatness of Rossini's crescendos within cabalettas is far beyond any presumptous effort in faithful reconstruction.
We love you Max!
wironalga 3 years ago
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his coloratura is solid, but his voice is small and kind of weak. He also does really awkward things with his hands when he sings haha
skitzo429 3 years ago
I don't believe that one could accurately compare Cencic and Daniels, they each have their strengths. Cencic truly sounds like a soprano which, to me, isn't always preferable to the more masculine sound that Daniels has which fits the masculine roles that he sings. Cencic on the other hand has a beautiful tone though it can be effeminate at times and his coloratura rivals that of Daniels but again its's like trying to compare Cecilia Bartoli and Sumi Jo
TrebleB4Mi 3 years ago
having half the band on period hardware and the other half on modern hardware is like trying to run a new car on a lump of coal. it doesn't make a difference. Classical bows have no effect on metal strings and a modern set-up. Tension, people, tension. If you're going to be modern be modern, if you're going to be HIP be HIP. Just don't half-ass it and sell it as a good alternative. Rossini sounds great on 100% modern OR historical instruments. This is just lame.
sk8nruff 3 years ago
I don't understand your rant?
sour7lemon 3 years ago
i was just ranting because i think it's a half-assed way of making music, as far as the instruments being used. there are natural brass instruments mixed with modern winds, among other really odd particulars. my point is that mixing two very different colors such as metal strings on modern set-up violins or having half the band on period instruments and the other half on modern creates a very bad balance in terms of sound production, dynamics, and articulation making it very uneven.
sk8nruff 3 years ago
Ah I get what you're saying. How can you tell that the instruments are not all true period instruments?
sour7lemon 3 years ago
this isnt mozart era opera, most woodwinds achieved what is essentially their modern keywork by the mid 19th century when this was written. how would you be able to tell that anyway just from watching a video? if youre looking for black wooden flutes as constituting 'period' instruments, they still use them in europe most of the time, silver is just what most american player prefer, and they dont really sound much different. period instruments arent typically a big concern in bel canto.
skitzo429 3 years ago
The conductor is fucking hot!
agnellodei 3 years ago
Daniels cannot be even considered after this marvel of bel canto. I am crazy about this guy.
studiapolichrom 3 years ago 4
And his tone is way nicer than Daniels'
agnellodei 3 years ago 3
He is awesome. Always has been.
Lotiolenti 3 years ago
Nice voice!
mradaChris 3 years ago
As far as countertenor's go, I prefer Daniels, but this guy is good. I do agree that the voice might be a little high for some of the lower pants roles.
Iareto 3 years ago
c'est magnifique !
phirze 3 years ago 4
But the body is not enough used and the pitches are not on a good breathcontroll - listen please to marilyn Horne, she will show how!
Heraopera 3 years ago
I listened to Marilyn Horne as you suggested and there's no doubt I much prefer Cencic's rendition. He has a much sweeter, mellower voice and his interpretation is very pleasing to my ears! But these things are all a matter of taste.
MissElfreda 3 years ago
Sorry i love the way he sing but i dont like see mans singing like women, sorry he is fantastic i know but i dont like it
aifar 3 years ago
why? does that make you feel uncomfortable?
juju1305 3 years ago
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a man must be act like a man no? anmens have a voice different, what kind of role they can do in an opera a angel may be or a god but, i dont know, is difficultmmm you are looking a man, but your shut your eyes and you are listening a woman if there have a different with a soprano or a mzzo i cant found it variation. may be is better explain in this way =)
aifar 3 years ago
Well, during the baroque era, it wasn't so. Some male parts were sung by women, and this went on after the baroque period (Verdi, Strauss) and the contrary (female roles sung by men) existed as well.
And this is a heritage from much more ancient times, for example in Greek theater, all parts were played by males.
juju1305 3 years ago
LA MERAVIGLIA!!!
newhotmailit 3 years ago
Cencic sei unico!!!
ilcodega 3 years ago
weeeeeeee!!!!
jovi1715 3 years ago
perfidoneeeeeeeee sei proprio un cenciconeee!!!
ilcodega 3 years ago
great coloratura!
mariokalogeropoulos 3 years ago
anybody else notice the two natural trumpets against an army of modern instruments?
sk8nruff 3 years ago
After all the enthusiasm of the past years, I think I'm not the only one who is tired of countertenors. There are a lot of good female contraltos that deserve more attention (especially in this Rossinian repertoire, of course). But if countertenors are to be used, we should not accept anything less than Cencic. Bravo!
P.S. Hofstetter is a stud!
NedRorem 4 years ago
Right! If you compare those singers with Ewa Podles you will notice, countertenors sound not good at all. Anyway Cencic is cute!
scarpia1965 3 years ago
right you can't compare Ewa Podles with a countertenor...the countertenor is male singing male roles in the baroque style...
the most of the transvestite contraltos and mezzos are female singing MALE characters and in the most of the cases tottally out of style they sing Purcell or Handel like Verdi or Bizet
Heartlessiceboy 2 years ago
of course that this is dificult poit cause these Rossini's arias are for male characters originally written for transvestite females...
Heartlessiceboy 2 years ago
Rossini actually wrote this Role of "Arsace" in Semiramide for Rosa Mariani. As the name Rosa suggests she was a female (contralto). So from the beginning a woman was intended to play a male role. Neither a castrato, nor a counter tenor and definitely not a transvestite. Ok Rosa was probably in that moment a cross-dresser. It does not really matter if a male plays a male role and sings with a female voice, or a female plays a male role and sings with a female voice. Its all a shambles anyway.
iskenderuna 2 years ago 2
Indeed Hofstetter is a STUD!
Cencic does a verry good job as countertenor in this reportoire.
andreasscholl 3 years ago
great voice!god job!betrer than some so-called good sopranos
Spinple 4 years ago
Unbelievable good! There is no better counter at the moment!
Saumannheim 4 years ago
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I love the orchestra and the conductor, appropriately ebullient. The singer,however, is not satisfying. Even provided you accept a falsettist for roles written for contralti, his voice is way too light and sopranoish for such low-lying tessituras.
thetuscanman 4 years ago
This guy is a wonder!
DrGarri 4 years ago
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what a fag!!
jbsrm 4 years ago
He sings really well, and has a gorgeous voice. Now, on stage, would it work too? I can't wait to see.
foropera 4 years ago 3
Lovly
Meyerbeer1 4 years ago
Michael Hofstetter is very very cute !!!!!!!!!
harmoniques 4 years ago 4
It's Arsace's II act aria from Semiramide. Try listening to Marilyn Horne, Ewa Podles or Martine Dupuy for the REAL thing. Mr Cencic should sing Bel raggio lusinghier, or even better Di piacer mi balza il cor (from The Thieving Magpie).
fidelious 4 years ago
Isnt Bel Raggio Lusinghier a female role song? I question this because i'm a male soprano and I'm working on In Si Barbara, and I'd much rather prefer to sing Bel Raggio Lusinghier!
sour7lemon 4 years ago
Yes, Bel Raggio is Semiramide's presentation aria. But since Rossini wrote neither Arsace nor Semiramide for falsetto voices (the first Arsace being Rosa Mariani, the first Semiramide Isabella Colbran), I think you can sing whatever you want :)
fidelious 4 years ago
Even though Arsace is a male role (pants role), and Semiramide is a female role? I mean, I'm not one to complain, I sang Olympia's Doll Song from the Tales of Hoffman for a recital, but that was more of a "character" song. I wouldn't be able to actually preform as Semiramide or Olympia, but Arsace? Sure! I may look at Semiramide's aria though. It's fun!
sour7lemon 4 years ago
Which Aria is this?
MHayes85 4 years ago