I played that part at 1:35 simultaneously with Inception muted, exactly as the dream starts falling apart... I wasn't going for perfection or anything, but at the exact second the riff stops (2:41) the film goes from multiple scenes of exploding and Ariadne waking up in succession to Dom speaking to Mal in the limbo... I was all like O_O
This album is the shedding of all human emotion. The epitomy of all the essential human elements. This represents the darkest feelings we have ever had, this represents that one moment we wish we had, and more than that, it just plain represents us. The ending of this album is the single most amazing feeling I have ever had. The fact that he hold a scream for that long twice itself is mind boggling. But te EMOTION in each one is earth shattering. I love all of you who share these feelings <3
@melanieruiz28 Dear you, it cracks me up that people who don't like a certain kind of music, come here to post bad comment, while obviously, they don't know anything about this music. It cracks me up that your little mind is so locked and that you are propagating a bad cliché about a thing you don't know/understand. I listen many thing, from Classic music by composer to Metal music, and i'm really tired to see that you are the kind of people who are not able to appreciate diversity.
Sorry to burst your bubble but judging by interviews and clips of different heavy metal bands, the people who make this type of music are some of the nicest musicians out there, and the same applies to most of the fans. Do you really think people would go around in their every day lives yelling/screaming like they do in music and acting like they do on stage?
@melanieruiz28 Actually most people that listen to this tend to be musicians or just people who just enjoy complex music and rhythms. Has nothing to do with being "bad ass" or "tough". quit being a douche n just enjoy the music
It fuckin baffles me why a movie like Inception or something has never used the music from 1:35 onwards for the ending to the movie. Or why there hasnt been a movie with soundbites from this album. It's the best piece of music to visualise a reality or a dream collapsing. Maybe they're just scared to use it cuz it might not appeal to people. But it's fuckin art, who cares if it doesnt appeal to people?...HOLLYWOOD! THAT'S WHO CARES!! :(
@replica07 Hi! Crazy, when i saw Inception, i was thinking the same as you, the subject of the movie makes me thing about this music too ^^ But i'm a big fan of Inception's music because i love the atmosphere that Hans Zimmer gives to the movie! Hope have the great surprise to hear that song in a movie one day, but with or without a movie, Sum still create is own atmosphere, a really deep song. ;)
@replica07 I often had that situation where I thought a metal song would fit greatly in a spot. The problem is just that nobody knows meshuggah and if they would it still would be not fitting for a massive audience, I mean cmon that song is just the prophecy of chaos and despare.
try this.... while listening to this song, lean back and imagine your falling down say a well even make the actions as if you are actually falling down something which last for ages, a cave, a really deep well.... whatever, its feels like this whole song is just like that but without the consequences of death! I may be talking shit, but try it.... maaan i fucking love this album
If you listen to a band for complexity or technical skill you shouldn't listen to metal. You should listen to it for the feelings. If you want to listen to things with complexity or technical skill go listen to avant garde, jazz, african/latin music, flamenco, or classical.
dopefiend138.. another unevolved ape with a keyboard.. i dont blame him, he cant help it, he is the result, brainwashed by mainstream influences since birth, he enjoys fret board wankery and using internet with intention to hate, alas what a sad life...
@dopefiend138 lol drunk as fuck y.day.. who am i to try and defend meshuggah.. and why are you here if you dont like the band? such a pointless waste of existence
@dopefiend138 meshuggah are so FKN heavy, if you cant hear that its your loss, they have changed the ideas of extreme music and brought them to a new level, this is advanced metal its not for everybody you have to try to understand it,
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This is my new favorite band to listen to for laughs. Meshuggah is the best troll band. They play two notes a riff then people think its god on guitar. I wish i could trick people like that
@AP0J if meshuggah impresses you then all i have to do is play 3 notes 4 different ways with 0 then youll think its god but instead ill keep my dignity and not poison my guitar with that crap. meshuggah is funny as fuck but the meshuggah fanboys like you make me laugh the hardest when you say this craps complex
@dopefiend138 guitar isnt what makes a band good what makes it good is how its all put together and meshuggah does a very good job at that so what if they do two notes and a riff they get paid to play two notes and a riff begone troll.
@qwertysquirt1 i dont care if you like them. i just cant believe people actually believe the "riffs" these guys come up with are complex. they are nowhere near complex or even creative when you look at real technical death metal bands. all meshuggahs good for is thrash and laughs
@dopefiend138 Meshuggah is good for so many reasons... their 8-string guitars sound awesome, no other metal band has as much bass in your face because of that. Fredrik and Marten write great songs, as well as Tomas who is an inspiration on drums to say the least. Meshuggah is so heavy but can really get to your sensitive side, yes?
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh LMAO. NO. they are pure humorous. i honestly cant take this band seriously. from the way they compose their music id say they dont take it serious either. i say this because in one interview they are inspired by jazz and metal then in another they are inspired by niether metal nor jazz. even interviewers catch them changing their stories. if you were serious about music you wouldnt try to look cool in interviews
@dopefiend138 You can't be serious. If you listen to the music, both jazz and metal elements are obviously there, you don't need an interview to know that. I fuckin love this song btw
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh metal elements are obviously there but that dosent mean they are influenced by both jazz and metal. i hear alot of people that hate metal, love meshuggah. i honestly want to hear what songs from them incorporate jazz because all the songs i listen to only have polyrythms. if YOU are serious about what you say then let me know what songs have jazz elements
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh to ME this band would be alot better if they focused more on those parts you've mentioned. the jazzy parts are pretty good but i cant get into the polyrythms parts. FTSD isnt that bad either
@dopefiend138 Well.... I am not sure if this is really "the best group of the world", musically speaking :) But it is one of the very interesting ones. Their songs are pretty hard to play and learn, that is because of the weird progressive (not to say erratic) structure. Secondly, they create extremely violent and sometimes scary atmospheres which sometimes is just the right sound to life.
@dopefiend138 im sure your not that clever..dont be mad because you cant make a few notes sound this awsome.. post up your amazing guitar action and show us how great you are.. or just shut up and keep jamming to winger
@Facepalm66 i dont understand meshuggah fans. a majority say meshuggah is overly complex then a few say that its not about speed and complexity. they are good rythm guitarists but after awhile their stuff gets stale. i enjoy complexity in bands but its not my main focus. its the tone i truly enjoy in a song and meshuggah dosent have that. perfect example of simple music with great tone would be tool (excluding 80% of 10,000 days)
@dopefiend138 it's a matter of taste probably. Personally I don't like tool, and meshuggah riffs and tone are fine to me.
The complexity is mainly in polyrythms like 7/8. A lot of people can't get that since they are used to playing normal riffs.
And there are different people - some of them listens only for complexity, others only for low tunings for instance, and others don't even know why they like. It all depends on taste and what you expect from that piece of music
@Facepalm66 i dont think you understand what im talking about when i say tone. they repeat too many of the same patterns for me to say they have good tone. i understand polyrythms and still dont find meshuggah even remotely complex. if anything they are overly simple compared to dying fetus, arsis, necrophagist, obscura, and viraemia. the "complexity" in meshuggah is remembering when to add an extra note a few bars into the song and thats nothing compared to remembering Extreme Unctions notes
They got some nice melodies going on somewhat similar to tool Justin Chancellor played the song Altered course with them and Adam Jones did Hall of the dead. Should check them out.
@Eradicateify i did, thanx. the melodies are pretty soothing. really wana get some bud a try listening to them high. ive been looking for new "stoner" music that isnt stoner metal or jimi hendrix
ummm, I dont smoke or do drugs anymore but.... Mogwai, Red Sparrows, Cult of Luna, Neurosis are good... They aren't Isis though thats all im going to say, no band will be anything like isis. Especially when you figure out whats going on in songs like Carry from isis, you shit bricks.
@Eradicateify I'm not sure what you mean, but the drum rythm goes mostly around 4/4 while guitar follows 7/8, that what makes the so called complexity. If you don't understand, find some tutorials about ryhtms and notation, I can't explain you here on youtube
Thats a polymeter not a polyrhythm.... a polyrhythm is when you play triplets against duplets or quadruplets against triplets etc.... 7 against 8 means the polyrhythm a septuplet played while someone else plays a Octuplet. And its not complex at all, it doesnt have to be notated as 7/8 they could just play the riff ends on the 7th beat then they play the riff again on the 8th beat.... They even say in the interviews that it isn't complex its just a groove that people misunderstand.
@Eradicateify why the fuck did I wrote polyrythm? -.-
Anyway, I know that it's not hard, I say it's hard for some people as you said it too. Anyway, it's nice to meet someone who understands what he's saying. Cheers mate, keep it metal ( or not )
@csm1012029 WOW. i wonder when you figured that out. please inform all meshuggah fanboys of this because this band is NOT technical or complex. they just have good rhythm
@dopefiend138 why must everything be complex or technical music is music to be interpreted by the listener thats y we have opinions and choice taste w.e u wanna call it... some thing that isnt complex or techinal doesnt mean it isnt music that jsut means u have a preference .... if u dont like it thats great thats your opnion but thers a penlty of other nerdy fuckin dragonforce bands for you to listen to where all they do is fuckin penatonic scales and make everything sound like space music
again that is also taste....and if they were such a shitty band according to you and if everyone is like you why are they doing so well....hmm wonder why...maybe is because they produce good music....so i guess everyone isnt like you and it would come down to again personal taste...u get the drift of my argument... u have an opinion and i have mine....and u cant say they a repetative or anything sure some songs do have repitition but everyband does that now they have a certian sound and they
use it or change it very sightly or makes big changes depending on the band over the course of their careers....so even techincal or complex music could be considered repitious its jsut interpreted by the listener....like even if u take country music it sounds like shit yes but they have certian sound and they use it ...but that something different...the question i want to ask you is why are u commenting on a messhuggah video when they are so shitty according to you
does it give you some personal success that u typed a few words on your keyboard chuckled to yourself and said oh ya this will get me going...ill answer this for you...your either a troll or jsut a sad kid with nothing better to do in his life hates his job and his life and the only amusement he can muster is from attempting to make others feel liek shit or piss them off...i think u honestly need to take a look at your self and make some changes
did u get picked on as a child whats yur beef....why do u search for power on the internet....and i can already tell could be wrong but just judging by yur taste in music i would suggest that u are spineless hence why u hide behind yur keyboard and spew garbage cuz we all know u say some shit like this at a concert and yur ass is gettin the beats...i dont wanna turn this into a personal joust even thought im gonna assume that your intentions to begin with
so if u wanna go complain about messhuggah go cry to your mom or your cats or whoever listens to your punk ass somewhere where somobdy will listen to you...get yur ass outta the basement climb over those jars of peanut butter and get some sunlight you might feel better and wont be so angry all the time cuz nobody likes a grumpy mc gumperson:)
Depends where you come from, and what you grow up playing, a couple of my friends from Africa have no trouble with this stuff. They don't look at music the way we do, they have different ways of looking at rhythm. Syncopations and odd rhythms are tough but if you practice slow and with a metronome while counting its not so bad. I mean i take every piece of music slow and in time no matter how easy or hard the piece is. Most of this is in 4/4 though. They "break" the meterthough
@Eradicateify Pretty much - they're not following 4/4 really, it's kind of a weird sound. I would guess it takes a considerable amount of practice, I know it's not something I've picked up quickly.
@dopefiend138 some songs yes, but it still doesnt mean they are horrible lmao. They are alot more complex than ppl who they they auto suck for 2 riff notes.
@dopefiend138 Whether you find it complex or not, you should still enjoy the music. If you don't enjoy the music, no one wants to hear your input. (if your just trollin, that is.)
I'm willing to admit that the shit Meshuggah plays is simple as fuck, but the point should how it sounds, not how technical it is. I'm a pure fucking Meshuggah fan boi, but I'm not overreactive like some of these fans...
"It's less of a story than it is an expression of a mood. It's an expression of a state of mind, of anxiety. It is not meant as a pin-pointed story, It is meant to be floating... so that whatever it means to you is what it's about. It's about the meeting between the lyric and the guy listening to it." - Mårten Hagström on Catch 33
When I listen to this song, I listen to it at night, walk the darkest, most deserted streets, and completely isolate myself from anything and everything. This album (especially the final four tracks: Shed, Personae Non Gratae, Dehumanization, and Sum) truly captures the essence of the beautifully horrific. It is perfectly horrific. I have found myself, many a time, overwhelmed and in tears at the close of Catch 33. This album is the end.
@sellingmypokecards exactly. When i first listened to this album the whole way through, this end part was like striking gold....... it's like reaching the inner prize
@Jyd7734 thumbs down dude. just tried em and it was shit that has nothing on/with meshuggah. they are raw and heavy but in a way that makes people particularly me fall fucking asleep. tuned down to the bottom guitars, very slow and well here they are new fucking warriors of metal lol. no creativity that meshuggah are full of. vox are shit also. jens is the man.
This is the music that is inspiring the very final scene in my new story. It fights so well with it. I wish this could have been used for the end of a crazy sci-fi movie.
@indianbadass4568 Dude Jens make those Growls n' Pussy screams sound like shit,
I swear he Roars and yells. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........Dunduhdundunduhdun
@indianbadass4568 Have you ever heard of strong structure and layering no? That's a creative choice not to just be as loud and obnoxious as half the shit you listen to kid.
@haropro2 I was just thinking the same thing. Especially given the fact that the drum work on i and obZen is so technically intricate. Thomas Haake is still a GOD on drums tho, Drumkit from Hell or not.
I know I'm not the first to say it, but 1:14. The most powerful scream I've ever heard. Meshuggah are a complete aural assault; their music is like being punched in the face and wanting more.
This track is haunting. Only Scott Walker freaks me out as much as this.
From 1:14 on...Jesus. That riff has the distinct feel of the world coming to an end, its so powerfully climactic...Its unexplainable. And then...Its over, and you get five minutes of chill guitar to let you ponder the masterpiece you've just heard. So much feeling and emotion with the instrumentals alone, how do they do it?!
1:14 is the most intense, brutal, beautiful thing I have ever heard. That is what I would picture a child seeing their parents murdered right in front of them. The best band without a doubt. Being a drummer, I got to say if anyone is the god of drums, it goes to him, or buddy rich
I played that part at 1:35 simultaneously with Inception muted, exactly as the dream starts falling apart... I wasn't going for perfection or anything, but at the exact second the riff stops (2:41) the film goes from multiple scenes of exploding and Ariadne waking up in succession to Dom speaking to Mal in the limbo... I was all like O_O
StefanPetrucci 3 days ago
i can feel the anger of the gaian mind coming through heavily on this track.
TADrummer3 1 week ago in playlist MESHUGGAH
I absolutely LOVE the way this album ends.
DarkRetroFan64 1 week ago
It's a shame they don't play this live...
ParagonofReality 3 weeks ago
This album is the shedding of all human emotion. The epitomy of all the essential human elements. This represents the darkest feelings we have ever had, this represents that one moment we wish we had, and more than that, it just plain represents us. The ending of this album is the single most amazing feeling I have ever had. The fact that he hold a scream for that long twice itself is mind boggling. But te EMOTION in each one is earth shattering. I love all of you who share these feelings <3
mee11mee 1 month ago 7
@mee11mee Dude, whoa
phasmaster 1 month ago
@mee11mee I love you too bro. *Epic bro hug*
ParagonofReality 3 weeks ago
*Hearing 1:13 ... *cum*
PsychoNotes 2 months ago
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"Fear me ! I listen to angry grumbly singers! Raaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr!!!!" lol!
melanieruiz28 3 months ago
@melanieruiz28 Dear you, it cracks me up that people who don't like a certain kind of music, come here to post bad comment, while obviously, they don't know anything about this music. It cracks me up that your little mind is so locked and that you are propagating a bad cliché about a thing you don't know/understand. I listen many thing, from Classic music by composer to Metal music, and i'm really tired to see that you are the kind of people who are not able to appreciate diversity.
TrueAreAllLies 3 months ago 25
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Sorry to burst your bubble but judging by interviews and clips of different heavy metal bands, the people who make this type of music are some of the nicest musicians out there, and the same applies to most of the fans. Do you really think people would go around in their every day lives yelling/screaming like they do in music and acting like they do on stage?
lemmonlime0 3 months ago
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@melanieruiz28 Really? Are you really just that retarded?
pumpkins0 2 months ago
@melanieruiz28 "Fear me! I'm stupid! Raaaaaaaaarrrrr!!!!"
gothikgamer 3 weeks ago
This is gross....and it cracks me up that people who listen to this shit come off like they're "badd ass" and "tough"...lol!
melanieruiz28 3 months ago
@melanieruiz28 Actually most people that listen to this tend to be musicians or just people who just enjoy complex music and rhythms. Has nothing to do with being "bad ass" or "tough". quit being a douche n just enjoy the music
UFOria212 3 months ago 3
Philosopher says: this is philosophy.
rubenshein 4 months ago
if you listen to this album from the start, and get to this point, its not possible not to lose your mind just a bit
vampirewire 4 months ago
It fuckin baffles me why a movie like Inception or something has never used the music from 1:35 onwards for the ending to the movie. Or why there hasnt been a movie with soundbites from this album. It's the best piece of music to visualise a reality or a dream collapsing. Maybe they're just scared to use it cuz it might not appeal to people. But it's fuckin art, who cares if it doesnt appeal to people?...HOLLYWOOD! THAT'S WHO CARES!! :(
replica07 5 months ago 11
@replica07
It would go so well with the ending of "2001: A Space Odyssey", where Bowman becomes the Starchild.
Or the ending of "The Matrix Revolutions", where the entirety of Agent Smith explodes into light.
MitochondrialAdam 5 months ago
@replica07 Hi! Crazy, when i saw Inception, i was thinking the same as you, the subject of the movie makes me thing about this music too ^^ But i'm a big fan of Inception's music because i love the atmosphere that Hans Zimmer gives to the movie! Hope have the great surprise to hear that song in a movie one day, but with or without a movie, Sum still create is own atmosphere, a really deep song. ;)
TrueAreAllLies 3 months ago
@replica07 I often had that situation where I thought a metal song would fit greatly in a spot. The problem is just that nobody knows meshuggah and if they would it still would be not fitting for a massive audience, I mean cmon that song is just the prophecy of chaos and despare.
RegentDorn 2 months ago
This has got to be the best, darkest, haunting goddamn end to an album I've ever heard, 1:13 onwards send chills down my spine
randompinc7 5 months ago
was there a 30 second scream in there?? or am i hearing things
HellCameToBath666 5 months ago 7
@HellCameToBath666 Think i heard it too
ReyCarmesi97 3 months ago
@HellCameToBath666 so you jizzed yourself for thirty seconds too huh?
lordloligator 2 months ago
2:42
I don't know much about Meshuggah's music but I've heard they're fans of Allan Holdsworth, you can really hear it at that part.
crazyedd123 5 months ago
try this.... while listening to this song, lean back and imagine your falling down say a well even make the actions as if you are actually falling down something which last for ages, a cave, a really deep well.... whatever, its feels like this whole song is just like that but without the consequences of death! I may be talking shit, but try it.... maaan i fucking love this album
CrispyVids 5 months ago
If you listen to a band for complexity or technical skill you shouldn't listen to metal. You should listen to it for the feelings. If you want to listen to things with complexity or technical skill go listen to avant garde, jazz, african/latin music, flamenco, or classical.
Eradicateify 6 months ago
dopefiend138.. another unevolved ape with a keyboard.. i dont blame him, he cant help it, he is the result, brainwashed by mainstream influences since birth, he enjoys fret board wankery and using internet with intention to hate, alas what a sad life...
SilentDarkness2332 6 months ago
@SilentDarkness2332 at least it bothered you enough for you to waste thirty min of your life typing you sob story
dopefiend138 6 months ago
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SilentDarkness2332 6 months ago
@SilentDarkness2332 at least the other guy tried to defend meshuggah. thank you for showing me what kind of idiots to this crap
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 lol drunk as fuck y.day.. who am i to try and defend meshuggah.. and why are you here if you dont like the band? such a pointless waste of existence
SilentDarkness2332 6 months ago
@SilentDarkness2332 why should a band be praised if you can say why they are so great? they're pretty funny but thats it
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 meshuggah are so FKN heavy, if you cant hear that its your loss, they have changed the ideas of extreme music and brought them to a new level, this is advanced metal its not for everybody you have to try to understand it,
SilentDarkness2332 6 months ago
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This is my new favorite band to listen to for laughs. Meshuggah is the best troll band. They play two notes a riff then people think its god on guitar. I wish i could trick people like that
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 For sure, you can not deny that Tomas Haake is an absolutely amazing drummer.
TrueAreAllLies 6 months ago
@TrueAreAllLies he used program drums for this album though
but he can do this live . its fuckin mad.
mkbyrne 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 learn to play the guitar u cockroach.
AP0J 6 months ago
@AP0J i can play. thats why i find them funny u worm
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 sorry im gonna say the same as "mydadiscool1234" ahah Impress me !
AP0J 6 months ago
@AP0J if meshuggah impresses you then all i have to do is play 3 notes 4 different ways with 0 then youll think its god but instead ill keep my dignity and not poison my guitar with that crap. meshuggah is funny as fuck but the meshuggah fanboys like you make me laugh the hardest when you say this craps complex
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 U poor 12 years old boy, start playing the guitar with nirvana and think ur god...
AP0J 6 months ago
@AP0J i dont really care for nirvana but at least they use their left hand when they play guitar
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 and u to fap yourself
AP0J 6 months ago
@AP0J well at least u agree
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Try to cover one of their songs. Betcha cant play this BITCH
mydadiscool1234 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 guitar isnt what makes a band good what makes it good is how its all put together and meshuggah does a very good job at that so what if they do two notes and a riff they get paid to play two notes and a riff begone troll.
qwertysquirt1 6 months ago
@qwertysquirt1 i dont care if you like them. i just cant believe people actually believe the "riffs" these guys come up with are complex. they are nowhere near complex or even creative when you look at real technical death metal bands. all meshuggahs good for is thrash and laughs
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Meshuggah is good for so many reasons... their 8-string guitars sound awesome, no other metal band has as much bass in your face because of that. Fredrik and Marten write great songs, as well as Tomas who is an inspiration on drums to say the least. Meshuggah is so heavy but can really get to your sensitive side, yes?
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 6 months ago
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh LMAO. NO. they are pure humorous. i honestly cant take this band seriously. from the way they compose their music id say they dont take it serious either. i say this because in one interview they are inspired by jazz and metal then in another they are inspired by niether metal nor jazz. even interviewers catch them changing their stories. if you were serious about music you wouldnt try to look cool in interviews
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 You can't be serious. If you listen to the music, both jazz and metal elements are obviously there, you don't need an interview to know that. I fuckin love this song btw
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 6 months ago
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh metal elements are obviously there but that dosent mean they are influenced by both jazz and metal. i hear alot of people that hate metal, love meshuggah. i honestly want to hear what songs from them incorporate jazz because all the songs i listen to only have polyrythms. if YOU are serious about what you say then let me know what songs have jazz elements
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Ok, far more groove than jazz. Many of Fredrik's solos sound influenced by jazz
Closed Eye Visuals has a jazzy part around 6:00
In Death Is Death starting around 7:00
I has an intermission that at least sounds random around 8:00
Sublevels starting around 2:00
Polyrhythms can sound a lot like jazz IMO
Tell me you've heard Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects, it's a jazz-a-palooza
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 6 months ago
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh to ME this band would be alot better if they focused more on those parts you've mentioned. the jazzy parts are pretty good but i cant get into the polyrythms parts. FTSD isnt that bad either
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Your an idiot.
MetalReigns2 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 ...... obviously you lack in the music knowledge department, faggot.
TruthFamineFloater 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Well.... I am not sure if this is really "the best group of the world", musically speaking :) But it is one of the very interesting ones. Their songs are pretty hard to play and learn, that is because of the weird progressive (not to say erratic) structure. Secondly, they create extremely violent and sometimes scary atmospheres which sometimes is just the right sound to life.
NeeIsKla 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 im sure your not that clever..dont be mad because you cant make a few notes sound this awsome.. post up your amazing guitar action and show us how great you are.. or just shut up and keep jamming to winger
soundvictim 6 months ago
@dopefiend138
it's more about groove than notes.
meiman9000 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Fuck you. You can't troll me that easy. Go back to being a fag and suckin' dicks at the gay club bro. I ain't even mad.
ShapeshifterMusic 6 months ago
@ShapeshifterMusic then why did you take ten minutes out your life to insult me?
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 Dude, that took like, 7 and a half seconds to type.
ShapeshifterMusic 6 months ago
@ShapeshifterMusic cool.......story........bro
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 sure its only 2 notes, but try to memorize 10 of their songs with that tempo and play them live.
davhu11 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 it's not about how complex the riffs are or how many notes there are, it's all about the sound, the mood and other shit.
For instance, metallicas 'justice for all' doesn't have a lot of notes, but it sounds fucking great.
Facepalm66 6 months ago
@Facepalm66 i dont understand meshuggah fans. a majority say meshuggah is overly complex then a few say that its not about speed and complexity. they are good rythm guitarists but after awhile their stuff gets stale. i enjoy complexity in bands but its not my main focus. its the tone i truly enjoy in a song and meshuggah dosent have that. perfect example of simple music with great tone would be tool (excluding 80% of 10,000 days)
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 it's a matter of taste probably. Personally I don't like tool, and meshuggah riffs and tone are fine to me.
The complexity is mainly in polyrythms like 7/8. A lot of people can't get that since they are used to playing normal riffs.
And there are different people - some of them listens only for complexity, others only for low tunings for instance, and others don't even know why they like. It all depends on taste and what you expect from that piece of music
Facepalm66 6 months ago
@Facepalm66 i dont think you understand what im talking about when i say tone. they repeat too many of the same patterns for me to say they have good tone. i understand polyrythms and still dont find meshuggah even remotely complex. if anything they are overly simple compared to dying fetus, arsis, necrophagist, obscura, and viraemia. the "complexity" in meshuggah is remembering when to add an extra note a few bars into the song and thats nothing compared to remembering Extreme Unctions notes
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138
Meshuggah is just a grove its not about the notes, its not meant to be complex if they wanted it to be complex they would.
Eradicateify 6 months ago
@Eradicateify thank you. thats all i wanted to hear
dopefiend138 6 months ago
@dopefiend138
Tool is alright... have you heard of Isis?
Eradicateify 6 months ago
@Eradicateify no why?
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138
They got some nice melodies going on somewhat similar to tool Justin Chancellor played the song Altered course with them and Adam Jones did Hall of the dead. Should check them out.
Eradicateify 5 months ago
@Eradicateify i did, thanx. the melodies are pretty soothing. really wana get some bud a try listening to them high. ive been looking for new "stoner" music that isnt stoner metal or jimi hendrix
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138
ummm, I dont smoke or do drugs anymore but.... Mogwai, Red Sparrows, Cult of Luna, Neurosis are good... They aren't Isis though thats all im going to say, no band will be anything like isis. Especially when you figure out whats going on in songs like Carry from isis, you shit bricks.
Eradicateify 5 months ago
@Facepalm66
is that 7 against 8 or is that 7/8 as in a time signature?
Eradicateify 6 months ago
@Eradicateify I'm not sure what you mean, but the drum rythm goes mostly around 4/4 while guitar follows 7/8, that what makes the so called complexity. If you don't understand, find some tutorials about ryhtms and notation, I can't explain you here on youtube
Facepalm66 6 months ago
@Facepalm66
Thats a polymeter not a polyrhythm.... a polyrhythm is when you play triplets against duplets or quadruplets against triplets etc.... 7 against 8 means the polyrhythm a septuplet played while someone else plays a Octuplet. And its not complex at all, it doesnt have to be notated as 7/8 they could just play the riff ends on the 7th beat then they play the riff again on the 8th beat.... They even say in the interviews that it isn't complex its just a groove that people misunderstand.
Eradicateify 6 months ago
@Eradicateify why the fuck did I wrote polyrythm? -.-
Anyway, I know that it's not hard, I say it's hard for some people as you said it too. Anyway, it's nice to meet someone who understands what he's saying. Cheers mate, keep it metal ( or not )
Anyway, play music. :D
Facepalm66 6 months ago
@Facepalm66
I'm a composer and a jazz guitarist.
Music is a articulation of emotion complex or not, its always something to enjoy.
Eradicateify 6 months ago
@dopefiend138 hate to tell you, its more complex than 2 notes lmao.
XxTh33ndxX 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 is officially the dumbass of the year. congrats.
rsemera 5 months ago
@rsemera why? because i dont like an overhyped band?
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 derp
Eukatheude 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 music is not defined by the number of notes its the sound
csm1012029 5 months ago
@csm1012029 WOW. i wonder when you figured that out. please inform all meshuggah fanboys of this because this band is NOT technical or complex. they just have good rhythm
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 why must everything be complex or technical music is music to be interpreted by the listener thats y we have opinions and choice taste w.e u wanna call it... some thing that isnt complex or techinal doesnt mean it isnt music that jsut means u have a preference .... if u dont like it thats great thats your opnion but thers a penlty of other nerdy fuckin dragonforce bands for you to listen to where all they do is fuckin penatonic scales and make everything sound like space music
csm1012029 5 months ago
again that is also taste....and if they were such a shitty band according to you and if everyone is like you why are they doing so well....hmm wonder why...maybe is because they produce good music....so i guess everyone isnt like you and it would come down to again personal taste...u get the drift of my argument... u have an opinion and i have mine....and u cant say they a repetative or anything sure some songs do have repitition but everyband does that now they have a certian sound and they
csm1012029 5 months ago
use it or change it very sightly or makes big changes depending on the band over the course of their careers....so even techincal or complex music could be considered repitious its jsut interpreted by the listener....like even if u take country music it sounds like shit yes but they have certian sound and they use it ...but that something different...the question i want to ask you is why are u commenting on a messhuggah video when they are so shitty according to you
csm1012029 5 months ago
does it give you some personal success that u typed a few words on your keyboard chuckled to yourself and said oh ya this will get me going...ill answer this for you...your either a troll or jsut a sad kid with nothing better to do in his life hates his job and his life and the only amusement he can muster is from attempting to make others feel liek shit or piss them off...i think u honestly need to take a look at your self and make some changes
csm1012029 5 months ago
did u get picked on as a child whats yur beef....why do u search for power on the internet....and i can already tell could be wrong but just judging by yur taste in music i would suggest that u are spineless hence why u hide behind yur keyboard and spew garbage cuz we all know u say some shit like this at a concert and yur ass is gettin the beats...i dont wanna turn this into a personal joust even thought im gonna assume that your intentions to begin with
csm1012029 5 months ago
so if u wanna go complain about messhuggah go cry to your mom or your cats or whoever listens to your punk ass somewhere where somobdy will listen to you...get yur ass outta the basement climb over those jars of peanut butter and get some sunlight you might feel better and wont be so angry all the time cuz nobody likes a grumpy mc gumperson:)
csm1012029 5 months ago
@csm1012029 give me a summary of what you just typed or fuck off. theres no reason why you should be that upset
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 lol yeah
shockandawe123 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 excuse me. Syncopation and off kilter rhythms like that are a pain in the ass. It might seem really easy but it's really, really not.
TheOneblackened 5 months ago
@TheOneblackened
Depends where you come from, and what you grow up playing, a couple of my friends from Africa have no trouble with this stuff. They don't look at music the way we do, they have different ways of looking at rhythm. Syncopations and odd rhythms are tough but if you practice slow and with a metronome while counting its not so bad. I mean i take every piece of music slow and in time no matter how easy or hard the piece is. Most of this is in 4/4 though. They "break" the meterthough
Eradicateify 5 months ago
@Eradicateify Pretty much - they're not following 4/4 really, it's kind of a weird sound. I would guess it takes a considerable amount of practice, I know it's not something I've picked up quickly.
TheOneblackened 5 months ago
@TheOneblackened
Go look up some of meshuggah's interviews, they even say that most of there stuff is in 4/4. Just people misinterpret it.
Eradicateify 5 months ago
@Eradicateify Oh it's definitely in 4/4, they're just not following the bar very much.
TheOneblackened 5 months ago
@dopefiend138
So, this is the biggest shit i ever read.
albydera 5 months ago
@albydera .....k
dopefiend138 5 months ago
@dopefiend138 haha, 2 note riffs only? plz leave your troll comments elsewhere.
XxTh33ndxX 4 months ago
@XxTh33ndxX its true tho
dopefiend138 4 months ago
@dopefiend138 some songs yes, but it still doesnt mean they are horrible lmao. They are alot more complex than ppl who they they auto suck for 2 riff notes.
XxTh33ndxX 4 months ago
@dopefiend138 Whether you find it complex or not, you should still enjoy the music. If you don't enjoy the music, no one wants to hear your input. (if your just trollin, that is.)
I'm willing to admit that the shit Meshuggah plays is simple as fuck, but the point should how it sounds, not how technical it is. I'm a pure fucking Meshuggah fan boi, but I'm not overreactive like some of these fans...
ParagonofReality 3 weeks ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i was looking for the exact opposite of heavy metal
vancouvercanucks23 6 months ago
"It's less of a story than it is an expression of a mood. It's an expression of a state of mind, of anxiety. It is not meant as a pin-pointed story, It is meant to be floating... so that whatever it means to you is what it's about. It's about the meeting between the lyric and the guy listening to it." - Mårten Hagström on Catch 33
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 7 months ago
Welcome the Djentlemen's club
fallombardi 7 months ago
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When I listen to this song, I listen to it at night, walk the darkest, most deserted streets, and completely isolate myself from anything and everything. This album (especially the final four tracks: Shed, Personae Non Gratae, Dehumanization, and Sum) truly captures the essence of the beautifully horrific. It is perfectly horrific. I have found myself, many a time, overwhelmed and in tears at the close of Catch 33. This album is the end.
jmaymeers 8 months ago
Vision will blind. Severance ties. Median am I. True are all lies.
OH THE IRONY! xD
Chameleonizer 8 months ago
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Most.... Epic Username... ever
Zyborggian 8 months ago
1:41 - 2:40 ... My god, It's full of stars..
MitochondrialAdam 8 months ago 3
This song is brilliant, especially when your extremely mad and the calm comes
Dominoes282 8 months ago
one person is Anacephaellic...lol.
Davinator61 9 months ago
this song gave me the shits
pleasepleasemyboner 9 months ago
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Meshuggaaaahhhhh 9 months ago
@Meshuggaaaahhhhh You baked.
QuadroGuitarist 8 months ago
this used too be me and my freinds bowl cruiseing anthem last summer
zdfwwwwwwwwwwww 9 months ago
@zdfwwwwwwwwwwww You cruised your friends bowel?... Faggot.
robotsforever 8 months ago
1 person has downsyndrome
redsugarmusic 9 months ago
meshuggah's clean guitar parts really sound a lot like allan holdsworth to me
chrisfiander 9 months ago
@chrisfiander Thordendal is a Holdsworth-fan, that's why...
22fret 9 months ago 3
@22fret
Yeah, Fredrik is some kind of metal Holdsworth, imho fusion jazz elements are the cherry at the top of Meshuggah tasty musical cake!
kozzzh 8 months ago
The end clean stuff is so beautiful and disturbing.
coffeeintheface 9 months ago
its hard to pick a fav meshuggah song.......... there all too good!!!
TheIronParasite 10 months ago
This group clearly composes song at 1:00-3:00AM...
This is when the best musical pieces are made ;P
TaKaLQc 10 months ago 14
@TaKaLQc Absolute truth.
CyValkarion 10 months ago
@TaKaLQc fuck man thats so true. i write my best material in that time period.
CORNP00 10 months ago
@sellingmypokecards exactly. When i first listened to this album the whole way through, this end part was like striking gold....... it's like reaching the inner prize
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 10 months ago
love 1:14 onwards... there's something about it that makes it feel as if it's spiraling down, very dark, very evil, very meshuggah!
randompinc7 10 months ago
Listen to Admiral angry/Blacksheepwall for Meshuggah like stuff, it's just a lot more raw.
Jyd7734 11 months ago
@Jyd7734 thumbs down dude. just tried em and it was shit that has nothing on/with meshuggah. they are raw and heavy but in a way that makes people particularly me fall fucking asleep. tuned down to the bottom guitars, very slow and well here they are new fucking warriors of metal lol. no creativity that meshuggah are full of. vox are shit also. jens is the man.
polkadotpuss 9 months ago
just wonderful. the smooth part feels like the calm after the storm...amazing
rizzometal92 11 months ago
meshuggah is so insane... 1:15 to 1:40 enough said
redsugarmusic 1 year ago
even tho i love all kinds of music....nothing will ever compare to the gods that are MESHUGGAH!
xdeth 1 year ago
This is the music that is inspiring the very final scene in my new story. It fights so well with it. I wish this could have been used for the end of a crazy sci-fi movie.
replica07 1 year ago
I want 1:13 - 1:43 to be my ringtone so I could say something like "Oh! Hell is calling me!" :P
Good song, great album, awesome band!
Fleaas 1 year ago
@Fleaas
That's a good idea! I'll make one for me and then send you a copy :D just tell me the format u need
yulapunkngrunge 1 year ago
Meeshoogah
ShapeshifterMusic 1 year ago
i dont wanna live anymore................
:(
fucks every single suicidal black metal on EARTH AND SPACE A?ND ASGJAGJA IM FREAKI?NG OUT
ormeyer 1 year ago
@ormeyer Go listen to "Always look on the bright side of life" And these guys arent Suicidal Black metal :)
supah1337B 1 year ago
I feel so ashamed.... been listenin to meshuggah for a couple of years and it is the first time i hear this masterpeace,,, shit
MonsieurBlindWitness 1 year ago
I want those lungs. O_o
rasberrysauce 1 year ago
when i listen to Sum alone, i prefer to be by myself
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 1 year ago
1:14 - 1:41 31 second scream???WHAT THE FUCK???
2:11 - 2:41 again???? This guy aint Human \m/ \m/
indianbadass4568 1 year ago 2
@indianbadass4568 Nawp, They're all Aliens <----Fact
supah1337B 1 year ago
@supah1337B
bro i have heard 26 seconds guttural growls and 10-20 second damn screams BUT THIS??.... for fuck's sake man
indianbadass4568 1 year ago 2
@indianbadass4568 Dude Jens make those Growls n' Pussy screams sound like shit,
I swear he Roars and yells. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........Dunduhdundunduhdun
supah1337B 1 year ago
@supah1337B
for THIRTY ONE seconds straight.... damn spare me lmao \m/ \m/
indianbadass4568 1 year ago
@indianbadass4568 Have you ever heard of strong structure and layering no? That's a creative choice not to just be as loud and obnoxious as half the shit you listen to kid.
Dimebag08RIP 1 year ago
1:14 - 1:41 31 second scream???WHAT THE FUCK???
indianbadass4568 1 year ago
This is shit to get high to. To lose your mind to. I fucking love Meshuggah.
strad972 1 year ago
@haropro2 I was just thinking the same thing. Especially given the fact that the drum work on i and obZen is so technically intricate. Thomas Haake is still a GOD on drums tho, Drumkit from Hell or not.
toxicculture 1 year ago
I know I'm not the first to say it, but 1:14. The most powerful scream I've ever heard. Meshuggah are a complete aural assault; their music is like being punched in the face and wanting more.
This track is haunting. Only Scott Walker freaks me out as much as this.
Kwyjibo2006 1 year ago
this shit is scary but peaceful at the same time words cannot describe this, MESHUGGAH is inhuman.
lLxjunxjunx 1 year ago
From 1:14 on...Jesus. That riff has the distinct feel of the world coming to an end, its so powerfully climactic...Its unexplainable. And then...Its over, and you get five minutes of chill guitar to let you ponder the masterpiece you've just heard. So much feeling and emotion with the instrumentals alone, how do they do it?!
MyMother94 1 year ago
Dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH dun DAH!!!
ShapeshifterMusic 1 year ago
Yeah this AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is awesome. IMPOSIBLLE. Hmm... this is metal motherfuckers:P
JesusPrototype 1 year ago
Meshuggah could establish their own community
Meshuggaaaahhhhh 1 year ago
Can't believe this was done with the Drumkit from Hell.
haropro2 1 year ago
amaazingg :D
SilenceImpending 1 year ago
1 FUCKING 14
aL3ks06 1 year ago
1:14 is the most intense, brutal, beautiful thing I have ever heard. That is what I would picture a child seeing their parents murdered right in front of them. The best band without a doubt. Being a drummer, I got to say if anyone is the god of drums, it goes to him, or buddy rich
CoolCoverBro 1 year ago
this song is HUGE
666spawnofsatan666 1 year ago
goddamn, i've seen a lot of people pointing to 1:14 and i agree. at that point metal got rewritten. goddamn
moralreef 1 year ago
@moralreef HE ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hes unique, and he'll never fall into the catagory of "pussy"
supah1337B 1 year ago
@supah1337B AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAMANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABEERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMETALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
undecode2 1 year ago