Boxer vs Savior (Goliath vs Mutalisk)

[Ragnarockalypse]

I love these Korean huge macro slugfests.

[KatideRealm]

I like how everyone screams like nuts, haha.

[ssanrock97]

a few valkyries in that goliath army wouldve ripped those damn mutas

[timothylhm]

@ssanrock97 you didnt see the scourges did you?

[szopad]

@ssanrock97 there is scourge in the air if you didn't notice... there is no valkyries for a reason ;]

[Qyburnator]

I never played sc1, but it makes me lol that if that clip was sc2 and instead of goliaths you had .....half that number of marines, the mutalisks would have evaporated instantly =/

[0YtsanBlowout0]

@Qyburnator The reason he used goliaths is because the goliaths in SC1 have an upgrade called "charron booster" that make the goliath's AA missles out range any air enemies and having the advantage of getting the first shots off.

[AlenRyuu]

cost wise, Valky win

[negazzang123]

Megaradutzu u noob.

Valkyries get owned to mutalisks

[NachiMeNachiMe]

@negazzang123 valkyries rip mutas apart.

[MegaRadutzu]

5 valkyres and... owned:X

[crazypyrotev]

always gotta laugh at the korean girls screaming over crazy plays in starcraft. actually that's kinda hot that they're into gaming. dunno if girls in other countries would be as crazy into starcraft as those fan girls in this video.

[ozmusic657]

@crazypyrotev my girlfriend gets wet when i 6 pool people

[gotriceandshrimp]

Goliath: 100/50

Mutalisk: 100/100

Now think to yourselves, who really won? :D

[lMagina1]

a couple of land units will change the outcome. it will divide gols focused air attacks. even a couple of drones will do if your lacking.

[XiahouYuan111]

So wait, the Mutalisk lose 50% less damage vs Goliaths?

[dh144498]

savior had anywhere from 35-45 mutas where as boxer had 30 gols at best. ricochet damage aside and upgrades aside, mutas should've won straight up against the gols: 40 mutas x 9 damage = 360 damage, 30 gols x 10 dmg = 300 damage. also remember this is without the ricochet damage, adding in the ricochet damage you have: 40 x (9+3+1) = 520 damage. mutas should've smoked the gols. but no boxer is a god and he made it happen. =]

[MysteryAC]

Haha, if this was in SC2, people would be crying to nerf the Goliath.

[JuglarEuskaldun]

@MysteryAC true xD

[lygophile]

that's sick, cause with explosive damage verses small mutalisk, the mutas should so have won that.

but boxer's the absolute king of micro.

[iSupportUnderground]

isnt this with blackman not savior

[MrLinder]

Zerg is so weak sometimes

[1zzshengzz]

lame

[MegaUmaga]

some of those girl had orgasm when goliaths mutalisks

[12hiei21]

more importantly... moving units take less dmg in sc1

[heymanhaha]

the girls scream at the end lol they thought the micro was so sexy

[Naruto0519]

@heymanhaha SC players get it all man ;)

[SkiFree32]

We koreans call it "mutal"s

[heymanhaha]

what does moving the goliaths do??

[userasdf]

forces the mutas to move. Mutas have to speed up and slow down before they can attack while goliaths can just move then stop and attack. So moving back makes the mutas have to constantly be accelerating and decelerating, therefore firing less while the goliaths can fire at their normal rate.

He actually should have targeted mutas individually as well but you can only do so much especially with large groups.

[MitchellXxXChRisTiE]

if u look closely, ull see at first he has 3 groups, then 2 but at 2 he starts microing and as he micros he does aim individually while being pushed back its just hard to tell cause of all the bnlue smoke

[thefreeflowification]

@userasdf Rivu?



[davie3012]

You get hit less

[ILuvhFood]

win boxer the game.

[FLOODKILLA]

here is an example from american history.

the americans used the hit and run techniqiue which is shoot run, shoot run. boxer is using the goliaths range and like userasdf said mutas speed and things so he can always be out of range of the mutas

[EddieOJ168]

there's a drone who is bravely fighting the goliaths, and "Oh shit!~ our brave warrior died by goliath gunshots"! go bury him =))

[lolofdoom]

i thought the mutalisks would win hahahja

[amazingdany]

Ground support for the mutes would've wiped the goliaths, of course.

[jjws]

damn, that was a lot of mutas

[vertigo0613]

Draw........

I think.

[Eonizer]

LOL! There's 1 Drone who's bravely fighting Goliaths XD

[Arnes111]

Man I personally main zerg and I'm still not so good. My tactic is usually just set up ground defense and build muta's, then when I have like 9-12 of them I send them to attack the enemy's probes/drones/SCV's which usually works because people don't have a strong defense in that point of the game.

Then I just build up my defenses slowly and keep making mutalisks while I also make some lurkers and ground defenses. Then I upgrade and balance out my forces by making guardians and devourers. Meh.

[scatman57]

Actually mutu's aren't that bad against gols. Watched some top lvl(A or something) iccup video of mass mutu vs mass gol, some tanks. Mass mutu owned, but if you are using mutus you really have to split the gols and harrass. Trying to defend with them is suicide.

[henkzawd]

Quick curiosity - why would you call them mutu's? It's a mutAlisk, and mutu sounds painfully awkward. :D

[farttalk45]

starcraft players call it a muta

[UnGato7]

I'm not that good, but Goliaths have more health, more range, attack faster, and do much more damage damage (to air) than Mutalisks, so why was this surprising?

I just looked it up, and even with the half damage explosive penalty Goliaths ought to be better off when you factor their natural armor in, unless the ricochet isn't affected by armor. Were there just that many more mutalisks? It's tough to count in that video. Or were the upgrades imbalanced?

[dh144498]

@UnGato7 much more mutas than gols, also mutas have 120 hp where as gols have 125 so the hp difference doesnt really matter. plus you account in the ricochet damage from (mass) mutas, mutas should've have won if boxer didnt bother microing his gols.

[Da1337ed]

perfect example of how simple, simple micro can make a significant difference in battles

[HumanStrategy]

savior needed about 10 lings to help out, he would have smashed him then

[ColonelMarksman]

I doubt that. Goliaths eat Zerglings for dessert.

[HumanStrategy]

One on one, of course they do. I see that you have missed the point though.

[ColonelMarksman]

I have personally seen (because I successfully executed it) three dozen Goliaths upgraded on weapons and armor twice chew up 6 dozen Zerglings will full upgrades. That was one bloody peice of ground.

[HumanStrategy]

You still have missed the point of why I said he needed 10 lings to help out.

Please, read it again. More slowlly this time. Need I spell it out for you?

[ColonelMarksman]

And you have also missed the point. 10 lings would have done nothing. He had 10 Golaiths at the end of the vid. I just did a test run. 25 Golaiths of that nature I described could kill 100 Zerglings fully upgraded. Sending 10 lings would have done nothing but add kills for Boxer.

[HumanStrategy]

"25 Golaiths of that nature I described could kill 100 Zerglings fully upgraded. Sending 10 lings would have done nothing but add kills for Boxer."

Your misunderstanding of this entire conversation is epitomized by this comment. You are simply missing the focus of my comment. It's not about what the lings can, or can not do, to the goliaths.

[HumanStrategy]

"And you have also missed the point."

Seeing how my comment was first, I find it ironic that you could say that I have missed the point when you had no idea what I was talking about in the first place.

Thanks for the laugh though^^

[wonnage]

stfu you fucking douchebag go get laid

[tlswhdgjs]

not 10 ... more like 36 but, if the gols were busy kill the mutas then 10 maybe only if they are fully upgraded

[tonytongji]

great micro by boxer btw, and for those saying z shoulda send lings... well he did but boxer still won, the video didnt show the entire battle

[tonytongji]

continue: and greater range, so the only way u can win it is to keep pulling back and using hold position to utilize ur gol firing rate to maxiumize ur dmg out put while making mutas move and slow their firing rate, this will also get ur troops closer to ur own reinenforcements, now u know y the t keeps walk back a tiny bit and then hold right away and fire, this will disrupt muta firing but not gol, as gol on hold position can fire faster than muta, they response to hold better

[polywoly15]

how do you know t is holding instead of just attacking?

[tonytongji]

hmm i think its cos the gol ai respond faster (like goons) if u press hold instead of attack-to, also u can see that not ALL gols r firing on the same target so it cant be a move-focus-attack either

[tonytongji]

continue: therefore, as more upgrades comes in the game the more evident that muta > gols, another reason is that muta is air units therefore they can stack and concentrate fire much better than gols, lastly each muta shots glaves which bounces twice after initial hit and deals 9,3,1 dmg respective(with no upgrade) a total of 13 dmg while each gol shots 2 * 10 explosive dmg to muta which does 10 dmg (thats if muta has no armour upgrade), the only thing gol has is faster firing rate,5 more hp and

[tonytongji]

ok i will explain this 4 nubs: first of all muta > gol, heres y: muta is small unit, gol does explosive dmg (50% dmg to small units), also gol actually do 2 * 10 explosive dmg not straight up 20 explosive dmg, what does that mean overall? it means that 1 armour up for muta will be twice as effective vs gol dmg as explosive only do 50% vs small unit AND gols attack is 2*10 not 20 so the dmg will get deducted twice, so 1 armour up for muta will reduce gols dmg by 4

[liamondo3]

what a retarded idea, goliaths are better against air

[CHumga]

that's stupid, the only reason the muta's did as well as they did was cause he had a fuckload of them. As if send in muta's to fuck with goliaths.

[ChAoS9779]

I'm suprised the Mutas did as well as they did to be quite honest.

[Kilmori]

Just one of the best micros.

[obesechicken13]

So can I stop bowing now?

[Demolasha]

thats what you call true micro skill at the hands of the EMPEROR

[emopizza]

someone got the VOD of this match? looks interesting

[CenaTaintedWWE10]

i'd like to see him micro gaurdians :O

[wingsoftsunami]

wow, idiot half damage?

[PLGod]

goliaths explosive air attack = 50% dmg to small size units, including mutas.. yea some zerglings and boxer pwnd, goliahts used to attack mutas instead of lings;.

[HopesLastStand]

ur fucking stupid

[Vekemi]

If it were anyone BUT BoxeR microing those Gols, the Mutas would've won due to the fact that they're small and take half damage from Gols.

Unfortunately, BoxeR has proven time and time again that his gosu micro completely rewrites Starcraft strategy in something known as the "BoxeR-factor."

[HopesLastStand]

ur a noob nada coulda microed those goliath and won too

[CrabcakeOG]

good job fanboy, too bad NaDa hasn't been at t he top of kespa as long as boxer has and hasn't had as much of an effect on starcraft as boxer had. Try again :)

[jimbob615]

a dozen zerglings would have been GG NO RE

[mizeriq]

Yeah, they would've like reach a single gliath and maybe scratch it a bit... really GG

[Etymologies]

Savior actually couldve won, but the micro+Superior Goli AA range = Win.

[DANNNNNYBOI]

Savior is so arrogant; thought he could take golis with mutas. :D

[JUNYEE]

wooot. so happy for boxer in this game. he REDEEMED himself. i think hahahah.