Drum Lesson : Polyrhythmic fills - 5s (www.joecrabtree.com)

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[DisturbedBehaviours]

Are the sheets avaliable anywhere? Just to print them out as I find it easyer to learn the beats when I brake the beats down

[pfefftube]

@DisturbedBehaviours Sorry, no sheets for most of the YouTube lessons.

[19DrummerGirl97]

...O.o this frazzled my brain D:

[HiddenEvidence1992]

The best thing in my opinion about polyrhythms is you can make nice and smooth tempo changes instead of changing the tempo out of nowhere. Great example is from the band Between the Buried and Me. They do it all the time!

[tdrum21]

Love that floor tom/snare flam fill round 6:44.

Great vid as usual Joe!

[mattbassace]

Ha that beat at 3:40 is almost the exact same beat b4 the solo in rosetta stoned by Tool.

[drumkrazy1984]

Very smooth. Nice vid man.

[alejandrobrunini]

Muy buenos tus videos y muy didácticos.

Un gran saludo desde Argentina

[alfinut]

why do you flail your fingers out on your right hand when playing the accents

[DavidTananger123]

thats awesome! :)

[pmcmanus22]

dude you are badass as hell

[MIRACOLADO]

ty very very mach to take me again to play  drum. I live in sicily and didn't play from 5 years....

Ty very mach for your important lesson Joe....

God bless you....

[ALex1210M]

it's a pleasure to watch you play drums mate....thanks for sharing.

[nepalnt21]

wow you are amazing at drums man

[snyder5911]

Hi, and great job, very use full. Can you tell me what type of drum set that is, are they yamaha's? Thanks!

[NikeDrums]

have you ever taught to become drum teacher at berklee?

[Feskprins]

This is a polymetre, not a polyrhythm.

[Feskprins]

Great video nonetheless, I should add. (y)

[aids514]

Check those definitions again. This is definitely a polyrhythm.

[plopenstien]

he's right. the groups of 5 are acting as a seperate time signature over the top of the rest. polymetric

[muquesko]

No. because, after the 5 beat fill, he falls back into the main riff, which is totally in 4/4. And he keeps time in 4/4 during the fill, too.

[muquesko]

oh, and he says himself he compromises the rhythm at the end of the fill when the rhythm doesn't end on the downbeat. I think, in order to insure its a polymeter, that it would have to remain constant in the piece.

[plopenstien]

could be but im not so conviced to make it into a polymetre it has to all finish properly. the polymetre could just be changed for the last bar to make it fit anyway so

[aids514]

Hmm, well I guess I'm not quite sure what a polymetre is then but I do know what a polyrhythm is, and this is one. It could be both but it's definitely a polyrhythm if it's anything.

[plopenstien]

it could very well be

[greatkid1]

Very nice video !!!

What snare drum and ride are you using?

[pfefftube]

Thanks.

It's a Pearl free floating 5x14 snare (wood) and a 20" K Custom Medium ride.

[Unrated48]

its free :D ? hehe i wish

[DrummaMan75]

That is BAD ASS shizzle!!!

[Moog167]

You've been playing for as long I've been alive? (since '91) WOW!!!!

If you ever do a clinic in Baltimore please let me know! I want to know everything you know!

[rob11057293]

-is he in 5/4 time

[irateradio]

no 4/4 with 5 over the top.. its called a polyrhythm

[musicman3000]

dude thanks!

[Jackinthehizzle]

That's not really a polyrhythm; you're just phrasing 16th notes in groups of fives. In the same vein, accenting every third 16th note isn't a polyrhythm. You also start by playing 4 over 5, not 5 over 4 (the second number is typically the quarter note). It's still a cool idea, though.

The RLRLL sticking is very common. Steve Smith goes into it in Steve Smith Part II, as does Steve Holmes in his video Shed Some Light.

[noisyneil]

by my understanding, i would agree that the fill is "polyrhythmic", given that multiple pulses are being felt simultaneously. can you clarify the distinction?

also... have i misunderstood? you're saying he should call it 4 over 5? by your logic, the second note being the quarter note, surely it should still be 5 over 4.

please correct me if i'm wrong. :-)

[tnsoltw]

no its not. 5 over 4 are quintuplets accenting every fourth note. just like 3 vs 4 doesn't sound like 4 vs 3 its 2 different things. the first note is the subdivision the second is how often u accent it.

[irateradio]

its not 4 over 5 because that would imply playing quintuplets and accenting in 4's... the subdivision (bottom note) is 4 because he is playing 16th notes and its 5 over 4 because he is accenting a group of 5 overlapping with a 4 subdivision

there are 2 meanings to 5 over 4... one is quintuplets and the other is a polyrhythm

so although your technically right, in this case it is classed as a "5 over 4 polyrhythm" not a subdivision of 5 over 4

[plopenstien]

id call it a polymetre but it works as a polyrhythm too. accenting every 5 notes in a 4 note bar is crossing the hands over the bar of foot. meaning its a polyrhythm, or polymetre for me

[rivanov233]

I've watched the youtube v=c6rUE5Px8pw, and he explains how the example presented is actually one of a polyMETER not polyrhythm. The difference is subtle, but interesting.

[remixer100]

That's awesome!

the 5 instead of 4 by 4

[rouschno1]

Anyone really interested in this stuff should check out Gary Chaffee's book "technique" from the pattern series. Chaffee taught Colaiuta and Smith this stuff. This book changed my life and totally redefined my style and approach toward drumming and playing music.

[Slayer100]

Your videos have improved my drumming immensly in the past 4 months and for that i thank you.

[killingmanbearpig]

wow........thats sick man

[somedudeinabox1]

Can You just post of a video of you busting out. I just want to here to play, your such a solid drummer

[dtpossx]

Great! What an initiative you've taken upon yourself... Awesome video!!!

[samnadel]

Great useful video. Ive been experimenting with this but theres some really good stuff to help develop 5's here. Check out some of my lesson videos if you get a chance.

Peace

Sam Nadel

[cfsvillanueva]

do all polyrhythms at some point have to land on 1 together?

[amaranthinagony]

eventually yes

[NickoMcBrainRulez]

yea kinda, but nt really, they don't have to

but most likely will end up landing on '1'

[juanbarros88]

Never mind I can do it myself....I found a way even if Im not a great reader or writer'

[juanbarros88]

better written... Even though Im npt a great writer I have found a way around it hahahaha I guess thats better, I dunno

[juanbarros88]

Can you transcribe or write out the thing you do at Snare staying on back beat? So I can look at it written out. If you could Ill send you a message with my info.....If not, I'll understand but tell me...

[pensivechild]

This just blew my mind. you got some nice stuff there. I'm only just getting into polyrhythms, this was really helpful, thanks

[merckk2]

It's not 5/16 over 4/4. It's either 5/16 over 1/4, or 20/16 over 4/4. Still, it's a good concept to know, if you have a bass player that gets it. Otherwise, you might find yourself in bad spot when you break it out on a gig and the rest of the band can't follow...

[patricktiglao]

Incredible playing on this and all your lessons!

Is it safe to say that the 5 over 4 polyrhythm resolves back to 1 on Bar 5???All the time?

[pfefftube]

Yes, the pattern will resolve on beat 1 of bar 5, however unless you're playing in 5/4 or want to do one of those funky fills that goes into the next bar then you'd probably cut it short.

[LdBTati]

The china that's between your hi-hat and your Zildjian crash, is an Orion Revolution Pro? Is 16'?

[oOojUsTiNoOo]

looks like its just a Oriental China Trash. 16" or smaller?

[jonnykk1]

yeah I've been taught this would be a cross rhythm as well. being a repetitive phrase that crosses the bar line. but either way, doesn't matter, just splitting hairs. you're a very good drummer, and your youtube videos are great. some really nice concepts.

[TimEngle]

In the U.S. we like to call this concept a Cross-rhythm.

[jazz4]

Hi, how long have you been playing?

[pfefftube]

since 1991.

[tbizhere]

Great videos! your doing a birlliant job, I really love the concept of polyrhythms but its taking me a while to be able to play some grooves fluently using the technique.

cheers

[jonathanluchow]

dude you rock man...your the one dude i have met on youtube who plays great stuff...and are cool..and you play it with feel..i love the bay area drummers too..but you right there with them man...your fills arnet boring

cheers

[chrisbristol]

man never thought about it in so much detail! just have a bash and it'll come... sorry but that's the best way tp learn!

[tnsoltw]

not really 5 vs 4

for 5 vs 4 u would need to play 16th note quintuplets (5 vs 1) and accent every 4th note

ur just playing 16ths (4 vs 1) in groups of 5

ur hh is keeping the quarter note

[pfefftube]

The polyrhythm sounds the same, but occurs over 5 quarter notes. Once you know how it sounds you can start counting the other way round. This is just a way of implementing interesting over-the-barline patterns. I rarely use quintuplets as I'm not in Frank Zappa's band. To be honest, I rarely use this, but it's a good way of working accents and movements through the different 16th notes.

[tnsoltw]

it definately would not sound the same

the groove you played based it off of is 4/4 so you play 16ths in groups of 5 you'll break the bar line.

16ths in 5/4 = quintuplets in 4/4

[pfefftube]

Agreed, but the accented polyrhythm still represents 4v5 or 5v4. Once you know how it sounds you can take it out of that particular 16th note context. If you're not playing a 4/4 groove like in the example you can count the snare part as quintuplets accenting the downbeat and the hihat accenting every 4th note. You could, if you wanted, modulate into a groove subdivided into quintuplets where the snare accents would represent the downbeat. You'd probably get fired though ;)

[tnsoltw]

true it is a matter of convention same with

3 vs 4 and 4 vs 3

there are standards on how to notate polyrhythms so that everyone agrees

good playing on the vid

[17masonry]

i should have known to do this a long time ago! thanks for making this easy and sharing this little gem with us all! Will you do a quick video of your technique on splashing the hi-hat....I don't know the correct technique and i want to do it for this lesson :) thanks buddy

[Hercraft]

Thank you for sharing your chops, very useful

[Glen060]

I'm bad at drums : (

[drummerdan33]

good dlesson it is helping me quite abit! thanxs

[cjcdrums]

Amazing playing, and a great lesson. I DEMAND MORE (j/k (but not really))

[Palves]

Brilliant ! Great playing, and information. This will really help me

[melky72]

very very cool