In exchange for Xerox's technology Apple had to give Xerox a large number of shares of Apple's stock. Apple did not steal Xerox technology, they had to pay for it.
Stole? Didn't Xerox license their designs to Apple because the Alto and D-Machines weren't selling nearly as well as they'd hoped? I think they even bought shares in Apple. Apple had already been playing around with interfaces, but it wasn't anything like the Lisa OS or Mac OS. It wasn't until after they were invited to PARC to demo the machines that they decided to create the new Lisa interface which was based directly off SmallTalk running on Altos.
Getting inspiration from something is not stealing..... people dont get that... I you want to make a new great car, you dont start by inventing the wheel all over again....
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Steve was one of a kind and will be remembered forever, the passion and love that he gave to his projects is unmatched and that's way we love his inventions too, we will miss you steve.
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@gecko77z Is that a Mac or a PC you are using? Anyway, your CAPS LOCK key is defective, you should repair your keyboard. Strange only that you did not notice that yourself. It's unreadable...
@gecko77z I'm sorry, but it's not. There are studies. I guess you call these smart people also... idiots. I guess, everybody is an idiot except for you, is that correct?
@myzia14 You have pretty bad grammar. Also, grammar =/= intelligence, and some people can use grammar but they decide not to use good grammar to save time. Why does it matter if you can understand them?
@BOZ11 We dont care about millions of people dieing (sorry if i spelled it wrong...) of hunger, even if we do care, we can't help them all, nobody has enough money from that.
microsoft and apple stole the ideas from xerox. jobs said a true artist steals ideas. he said it himself but he gets mad when somebody steals from him.
Another significant reason for calling it stealing is that when Windows 95 came out with many ideas that came from Mac OS, Apple immediately sued MicroSoft and cried "Theft!" After four years Apple lost. (they tried unsuccessfully to appeal the case) I believe Microsoft also claimed they "refined" the design. You can say its not really stealing, but then you have to admit they were very hypocritical.
You fanboys make me laugh, its the same applauding Steve for stealing, yet you all go bitching when the chinese produce similar products, watch out for the chinese markets, they are going to triumph very soon, history is proof.
He didn't credit the Xerox team in any way, until much later. Personally, I don't care about money or shares being exchanged with Xerox PARC, that's fine. But taking credit for the work of others without asking for their cooperation, or giving them credit from the start, that is the equivalent of stealing.
@cuvtixo What are you talking about not crediting the Xerox team in any way? The way they got to see PARC was by negotiating with Xerox directly, they didn't just magically whistle and walk on in, Xerox got stock options in turn.
Apple didn't invent the GUI, but they were the first to recognize it as a good idea, fix its issues, and release it in a product that people could afford. Xerox couldn't do that, and implementation is everything in this industry.
@cuvtixo You're nuts. They bought and paid for it with Apple stock options to Xerox. PARC didn't want to give it to them when Xerox corporate told them "oh yes you are." Xerox corporate also knew exactly what they were doing, they just didn't see the future in it. They sold the Star and it was a flop, the Macintosh was a hit. Jobs and Apple "got it" and Xerox didn't, simple as that.
@wgfinley If "nuts" means correct... Xerox never offered the Alto commercially, although the Xerox Star used some of the same concepts. Xerox actually sued Apple for $150 million. Xerox thought Jobs was going to look at basic research and development practices, not steal a copyrightable GUI. Its like being welcomed to sample ice cream flavors, and then turning around and selling imitation flavors. Unfortunately Xerox was too late with both its copyright protection and its lawsuit.
@tapo Finally! Someone who knows what really happened! I'm so sick of hearing people talking about how Apple "stole" from Xerox. No, they didn't! They invited Steve in because they wanted to invest in Apple, and they were giving him tech they didn't want so he'd allow them some shares.
@lucylovesguitar so if you invited me into your house, and i stole your silverware. Inviting someone over includes the guests right to steal their ideas and technology. When did they willingly give over any technology to Steve? When they invited him? please read my first sentence in this comment.
@lucylovesguitar wrong again. They didnt give him the tech. They were only showing what they COULD do and would do if apple invested and instead of investing Jobs developed his own GUI based on xerox's
Well the problem I have with both Apple and Microsoft on the matter is that they both do "firsting" on the matter on who is the real innovator of the GUI and lock anyone out from trying to complete with them by filing BS copyrights and IP's on stuff on the GUI
@lucylovesguitar Then explain why Xerox released their own personal computer? Why would a competing company want another company to use their idea if it will detract sales from their own product?
@lucylovesguitar Same here! I hate when people say they "stole" the idea. I hate how others also say that they stole the mouse idea. They didn't. The inventor the the mouse, Doug Engelbart, sold his patent to Apple for like $40k.
@dtwhitney I see you're still defending Apple for not stealing but "making Xerox' GUI better". I'd like you to make the same argument for Android then or the OEMs Apple is suing (other than Samsung because they blatantly copied the form and feel of the iphone)
@dtwhitney by ipod do you mean their mp3 player? I believe the mp3 player came way before the ipod. Did Apple revolutionize the mp3 market? Hell yes they did. I will never doubt Jobs marketing ability or ability to make great products that true enough "just work", but I will not give them credit for creating something just because I didnt use/ wasnt interested in it before hand.
Steve Jobs and Apple did NOT steal the GUI and mouse from Xerox. Xerox sold their technology to Apple in exchange for pre-IPO stock because Xerox executives were too dumb to see the importance of what Xerox PARC was doing. Look it up.
I don't understand why this is such a big issue, who copied who. Someone put text on the screen first, everyone else followed. The GUI was the natural next step. Someone put four wheels on a vehicle first, everyone else followed. Someone put a gas engine in a car first. Everybody takes everyone else's designs and refines them.
@MorkaGraven Consider pre-GUI operating systems, such as MS-DOS, CP/M, and still in use Unix shells (bash, bourne, C), etc. etc. One would argue that they are all blatent copies of something else. MS-DOS itself was based on QDOS which was a straight copy of CP/M based on the operating manual.
For almost 3 decades, Apple fans have been claiming that Apple invented everything, from the GUI, to the mouse. They were wrong on all counts, and I've been calling them out on it for years. Only now is the truth coming out. Apple has been in the habit of lying to their users about these kinds of things for almost 30 years. I don't have enough space in the comment section for all the examples. It's time Steve was exposed for the LIAR he was.
@snorman1911 Yeah but you don't proclaim yourself as the fucking inventor of the wheel if you're not. The problem is not in following somebody else's idea, it's about following somebody else's idea and telling everyone that the opposite happened. I'm fucking tired of this hypocrisy.
You are right, except Apple fan boys screa, murder when someone else does it (especialyl Microsoft), yet defend Apple when they do it.
Also, not everyone knows this, so there are many Mactards who DO think Apple invented the gui, the mouse, the mp3 player, the smartphone, and the tablet.
Thank God he didn't take notice of the networked computers or Apple would probably be suing everyone and his brother for stealing the internet from them.
@apoogee If you read his biography you'll find out that stealing this was a great thing. Xerox executed it terribly. They didn't complete it and it looked horrible. They just stole the idea. Not the same
3. Apple sued Microsoft, but lost because you can't copyright ideas, only how those ideas are expressed, and the judge ruled that the GUI ideas couldn't have been expressed any other way. XEROX joined the suit, arguing that Apple was trying to copyright things that had been invented by XEROX PARC. The judge threw that out as well; in the end, just about everything except the Trash Can icon were ruled uncopyrightable. This is why Windows has a recycle bin instead.
2. Microsoft also got a license to some elements of the XEROX GUI. They also got a sneak peek at the Mac OS, for the express purpose of building application software. When Windows launched it took ideas from both XEROX and the Mac. They had a license for the XEROX ideas, but not the Mac ideas.
All the things you're "debating" in here are well documented matters of fact. Why not try finding out what actually happened? 1. Yes, much of the GUI was invented at PARC, but XEROX management wasn't interested in it. So they gave Apple a 3-day tour, in return for being allowed to buy a million dollars worth of shares at the pre-IPO price. By the time of the public listing of Apple those shares were worth $17 Million. By now I suppose they would be worth billions.
Steve (hand) Jobs: "BOO HOO HOO, Android STOLE from ME, and I want to destroy them for it." Lucky XEROX didn't feel the same way about him... OH well he's DEAD now... Got what he deserved by delaying legitimate treatment. Technically smart (beyond his rip offs), but otherwise a meglomaniag egocentric dumbass...
Xerox sued apple over the gui issue. xerox indeed used the word 'steal'. It is a fact. check the correct sources, people. oh, please note: apple fanboys are not the correct sources.
Steve Jobs' genius was that he could see the future, he was always way ahead of the staus quo. That's what having vision means. He recognised the potential of others' good ideas even before they did, and then he went and made them happen. Luckily for us and for the whole industry.!
If you're really interested in technology innovation and invention's you should go to Israel who invents more technologically than anywhere in the world.
@nomadmac I wonder would Apple be flattered if you took what you loved about their products and just "perfected" them? Would they just be happy that they inspired you? Apple stopped giving a damn about innovation a long time ago. Its all about their bank account. And now that their only spark of innovation is no longer with us, its gonna be the same story as when Jobs was fired in the 90's. Only difference is he left then with more money to blow
@nomadmac I'll take that one. Most Appleholics would have responded that apple invented the cell phone... But still I personally think that Apple has no problem borrowing others' technology but won't lease our license theirs just to stifle innovation. I mean suing HTC for the ability to click on a link in an email. Really? For someone who started out like he did I wonder how hard he would make it for someone who loved Apple product like he loved Xerox' GUI.
@dtwhitney if it was google or microsoft you'd bash them for not being innovative enough, but with anything apple or Steve Jobs related you find a way to argue that they were simply making it better. Stop drinking the apple juice, it isnt good for you. Besides multi-touch name one thing they actually created...
@Brick4956 NIce try. But even if he did "steal it" which he didn't. (refer to the other comment that was replied to you) Seeing something and "copying" it (that is to assume it was an EXACT replica) would be more considered copyright infringment. Although much the same principle as stealing, is an entirely different thing. Moreover, if it is not an exact replica and slightly different or improved, it is not infringement, it is just another idea that has come to fruition.
@Brick4956 You're an idiot. He didn't copy it. He saw it and made it better. Following the influence of using a GUI but making a better one isn't stealing in the book of the law, dumbass. That's like suing the first-ever bicycle maker that added pedals just because he made his own version of the bike. Stupid.
@dtwhitney wow ur in idiot u say he saw copied it and made it better thats considered stealing as it wasnt his idea u point it out in ur own words that is why it's considered stealing
@Brick4956 You're an idiot. I said he DIDN'T copy it. Learn to read and write before you put words in my mouth. And ask your special ed teacher on how to use punctuation.
Bell Labs > Xerox > Lucent Tech. One those behind the scenes companies which developed technologies that realy changed the world. Their products may not have their branding on it. They mad the sand box we know today as Consumer Tech. Top bad Lucent Tech is runt of a company.
The GUI was licensed indefinately by Xerox to Apple in exchange for Apple stock. Microsoft is the one who copied (*stole*) it, changed a couple of things, and called it unique.
You nailed it. Steve was every bit as dirty and snake like as Bill. Many Apple fans will never admit this, and choose to think Steve was Jesus Christ.
@creaturebotman Well, I'm not sure if We can give the merit of inventing the GUI just only to Dr. Alan Key. He was working on it with a lot of other researchers in Xerox parc, so probably it was just a joint invention, and even the smalltalk was developed by several persons in Xerox Parc.
Yes. I am quite sure HE is the primary reason GUI and symbolic programming language like Smalltalk came into existences. I worked with the Man when he was Chief Scientist at Atari. Pure Genius. One of the most underrated pioneers of Silicone Valley. But I was there... I know the truth
@GeneralGiantPanda BS....people get caught for stealing and sued also. It's called copyright. There is a whole field of law called Intellectual Property for a good reason.
The name, Macintosh, was spelled wrong on purpose. The apple "McIntosh" doesn't have an A in it. The "Mac" actually stands for Mind Aided Cognition. Jobs stole that idea too.
Most successful "borrowing" in history. Amazing how he escaped the whole "evil capitalist" label over the years - even by the biggest leftists. Made billions off Americans and they smiled as they bought their newest toys. We complain about Exxon making a profit off the gas we use to drive to the nearest Apple store, but we go buy an overpriced ipod that lasts about a year. No known charitable giving (fine with me), but Bill Gates was the villain. Americans are strange. R.I.P.
Idiocy "Stole", Xerox Park yeah, did the original work, but they had no balls to market it, Steve Jobs made a commercial agreement, regular & convenient for both
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Against all trends and polls
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You went your own way and changed the world for the Better.
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A person cannot own an idea. A person cannot patent an idea. Therefore one can not steal an idea. If Jobs had taken the code for the Xerox gui and used it, that would be stealing. He took the idea, presented it to Steve Wozniak and others, and they developed their own code to develop a gui like Xerox. That is not stealing. As a matter of fact, Apple was able to develop, perfect, and market their computer for less than 20% of the cost of a Xerox Parc.
Hardly stealing when Apple paid for the right to use the Xerox patents with quite big chunk of their stock. Jobs's fanboys just like to think he invented that stuff. Search Sketchpad Demo by Ivan Sutherland and you will see a presentation of the first functioning GUI to which all current ones can trace their history to. In 1957 at the MIT Lincoln Laboratories, less than a surprise that many of the people at XEROX Palo Alto came from there...
A really good movie to see is "Pirates of Silicon Valley". It's historically accurate (although some events had to be condensed for Hollywood purposes) and the actors (Noah Wylie as Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Gates) do a great job capturing the essence of the "feud" between Gates and Jobs.
@hypnotize.....Jobs CREATED the future of computers. That's what great minds do. That's how he knew the GUI was going to be the future of computers--because that is what he wanted to happen.
object oriented programming is what java uses, java is used by android, android is the most popular fastest growing OS on the planet. how is steve jobs going to go back and say that he had everything to do with that when he just said he was blind to it.
and if he reiterates and says he didnt actually mean blinded then he did see it back then and he is bullshitting now
he's such as bullshitter. he's only saying he thought that because it happened. then he goes back after the fact and states his level of confidence and that he *knew* what the future was gonna be. i wanna he him do something live - on the fly.
this kind of behavior is probably why apple is so secretive. this way any ideas they had before that were wrong they can say they never had and then later say they knew the answers the whole time... thats not how innovation works. if we had the answers we wouldnt be making advancements... fuckin steve jobs... i challenge him to a game of tic tac toe
Oh dear steve, little you know and lot of talking about. Your main objective is stole the GUI, nothing more. But im afraid = there's no idea what will you do then... How disappointing.
@sonicdremgenesis That was such a shallow comment. Most bald and/or men with severe receding hairline have had a full set of hair some time in their life.
Apple let Xerox buy shares in their company extra cheap in exchange for the rights to use this GUI technology the Xerox directors weren't interested in developing. Whilst it may seem like a stupid decision now, given the prevalence of Apple-based DTP, the Xerox machines were stupidly expensive mini-computers. It took Apple's innovation to make a PC, mainly by stripping away the Object-Oriented Programming System it was built upon so you could no longer hack the OS whilst running the OS.
Steve Jobs did not steal the Xerox technology. I'm not an Apple user (I have an Alienware Aurora).
Read the book Infinite Loop and it takes you through the whole Xerox journey. Steve Jobs actually wasn't even a fan of the '84 Mac at first but came around when the Lisa had failed.
Please read history, don't make assumptions, and get the story right. It's all right there in the book.
First of all don't be a fan boy... I've seen your channel. Second of all everyone steals its just what happens. Truly unique ideas and innovations are far and few between, but they are so great that people tend to rip them off. The way steve jobs stole the gui idea, is that he went on a trip to xerox with a group of software engineers and programmers and basically where to find out how, why, the what of the xerox gui. They where able to have a q & a with xerox programmers.
@Jon2fine According to what I saw, he went there and asked to come back with his engineers. The Xerox woman in charge was smart enough to realize they'd be "giving away the farm" and had her boss authorize the revisit so she wouldn't get fired for same. When corporations steal they usually get sued as in the current lawsuits between Apple and Samsung. Possibly Xerox should have been smarter. Not sure that their stupidity makes Jobs any less a crook. Everyone steals? That's a bit much.
Don't blame anyone as you don't know all of him!
discerningacumen 2 weeks ago
How can you steal a GUI from a printer paper company?
Ograws 1 month ago
In exchange for Xerox's technology Apple had to give Xerox a large number of shares of Apple's stock. Apple did not steal Xerox technology, they had to pay for it.
jimmyb8 1 month ago
"Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal"
bvasundhar 1 month ago 2
Stole??? You mean build upon??
shempone 1 month ago
Who cears? it was incomplete anyway...
Nuclearwhalez 1 month ago
What a clown.
Blake1288 1 month ago
ha, no doubt he didn't see the programming, ofc
sensitivebeat 2 months ago
Steve looks so young! And with a full set of hair!
1234567898123able 3 months ago
RIP JOBS THE IDEA RIPPER...
abksharma 3 months ago
R.I.P. Steve Jobs
MegaPeanut321 3 months ago
Stole? Didn't Xerox license their designs to Apple because the Alto and D-Machines weren't selling nearly as well as they'd hoped? I think they even bought shares in Apple. Apple had already been playing around with interfaces, but it wasn't anything like the Lisa OS or Mac OS. It wasn't until after they were invited to PARC to demo the machines that they decided to create the new Lisa interface which was based directly off SmallTalk running on Altos.
marcusfavonius 3 months ago
Getting inspiration from something is not stealing..... people dont get that... I you want to make a new great car, you dont start by inventing the wheel all over again....
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Where is the innovation here?
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Steve was one of a kind and will be remembered forever, the passion and love that he gave to his projects is unmatched and that's way we love his inventions too, we will miss you steve.
aeronphoto 3 months ago
@aeronphoto
Steve Jobs was a complete ass
read about how he treated his workers
you2besux 3 months ago
STEVE JOBS WAS A GENIOUS!! CORPORATIONS LOVE HIM!! HE FOUND A WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE PAY 3 TIMES THE REAL PRICE FOR A PRODUCT AND GET AWAY WITH IT!!! EVEN BE KNOWN AS A HERO, A ROCKSTAR...WELL, OF COURSE HE'S A HERO TO MAYOR CORPORATIONS!! MAKE THE RICH RICHER!! HE CREATED iSLAVES, HE MADE PEOPLE WORK LIKE SLAVES, HE FOUND A WAY TO AVOID TAXES EARNING "1 DOLLAR" A YEAR WHILE UNDER THE SHADOWS HE EARNED MILLIONS, HE MADE CHINESSE PEOPLE WORK 3 TIMES HARDER WITH LOW SALARIES. THANKS STEVE JOBS!!
gecko77z 3 months ago
@gecko77z Is that a Mac or a PC you are using? Anyway, your CAPS LOCK key is defective, you should repair your keyboard. Strange only that you did not notice that yourself. It's unreadable...
Lofote 3 months ago 2
@Lofote LOWERCASE LETTER ARE AS EASY TO READ AS UPPERCASE LETTER...UNLESS OFCOURSE YOU ARE AN IDIOT
gecko77z 3 months ago
@gecko77z I'm sorry, but it's not. There are studies. I guess you call these smart people also... idiots. I guess, everybody is an idiot except for you, is that correct?
Lofote 3 months ago
@Lofote IM SORRY BUT IF YOU FIND THIS LETTERS HARDER TO READ YOU ARE STUPID
gecko77z 3 months ago
@gecko77z its not so much your letters, its bad you grammar in this writing that hard to read.
onlyspitfire 3 months ago
R.I.P. Steve Jobs
myzia14 3 months ago 14
@myzia14
burn in hell Steve Jobs
you2besux 3 months ago
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myzia14 3 months ago 15
@myzia14 "better grammar THAN you." In reality your grammar is not that great, buddy.
peterdoubleyouz 3 months ago
@peterdoubleyouz Thank you, for correcting me. :)
myzia14 3 months ago
@myzia14 You have pretty bad grammar. Also, grammar =/= intelligence, and some people can use grammar but they decide not to use good grammar to save time. Why does it matter if you can understand them?
iEatUglyNoobs 2 months ago
@myzia14 A thousand people died in the last week due to hunger. One rich misanthropic intellectual property thief dies and millions "mourn"
BOZ11 3 months ago
@BOZ11 We dont care about millions of people dieing (sorry if i spelled it wrong...) of hunger, even if we do care, we can't help them all, nobody has enough money from that.
andrei9444 2 months ago
microsoft and apple stole the ideas from xerox. jobs said a true artist steals ideas. he said it himself but he gets mad when somebody steals from him.
epgomez 3 months ago
did anyone of you know apple infact payed for using the ideas. it was a simple business deal.
dpietschav 3 months ago 3
@dpietschav yep I was about to say that Xerox execs thought it was stupid so they gave to steve.
HDv1de0 3 months ago
Another significant reason for calling it stealing is that when Windows 95 came out with many ideas that came from Mac OS, Apple immediately sued MicroSoft and cried "Theft!" After four years Apple lost. (they tried unsuccessfully to appeal the case) I believe Microsoft also claimed they "refined" the design. You can say its not really stealing, but then you have to admit they were very hypocritical.
cuvtixo 3 months ago
windows uses a GUI. Windows uses a mouse. whats the big deal
what Steve saw was incomplete and he REFINED IT
weeblerbob 4 months ago
You fanboys make me laugh, its the same applauding Steve for stealing, yet you all go bitching when the chinese produce similar products, watch out for the chinese markets, they are going to triumph very soon, history is proof.
bleepbleep1234 4 months ago 2
He didn't credit the Xerox team in any way, until much later. Personally, I don't care about money or shares being exchanged with Xerox PARC, that's fine. But taking credit for the work of others without asking for their cooperation, or giving them credit from the start, that is the equivalent of stealing.
cuvtixo 4 months ago 2
@cuvtixo What are you talking about not crediting the Xerox team in any way? The way they got to see PARC was by negotiating with Xerox directly, they didn't just magically whistle and walk on in, Xerox got stock options in turn.
Apple didn't invent the GUI, but they were the first to recognize it as a good idea, fix its issues, and release it in a product that people could afford. Xerox couldn't do that, and implementation is everything in this industry.
tapo 4 months ago
@cuvtixo good artists copy, great artists steal.
madjamie17 4 months ago
@madjamie17 I can't argue with that! I have to admit it was a brilliant bit of thievery. I'm using a mac now!
cuvtixo 4 months ago
@cuvtixo You're nuts. They bought and paid for it with Apple stock options to Xerox. PARC didn't want to give it to them when Xerox corporate told them "oh yes you are." Xerox corporate also knew exactly what they were doing, they just didn't see the future in it. They sold the Star and it was a flop, the Macintosh was a hit. Jobs and Apple "got it" and Xerox didn't, simple as that.
wgfinley 3 months ago
@wgfinley If "nuts" means correct... Xerox never offered the Alto commercially, although the Xerox Star used some of the same concepts. Xerox actually sued Apple for $150 million. Xerox thought Jobs was going to look at basic research and development practices, not steal a copyrightable GUI. Its like being welcomed to sample ice cream flavors, and then turning around and selling imitation flavors. Unfortunately Xerox was too late with both its copyright protection and its lawsuit.
cuvtixo 3 months ago
Uh, Xerox took a stake in Apple in exchange for showing Steve around.
tapo 4 months ago
@tapo Finally! Someone who knows what really happened! I'm so sick of hearing people talking about how Apple "stole" from Xerox. No, they didn't! They invited Steve in because they wanted to invest in Apple, and they were giving him tech they didn't want so he'd allow them some shares.
lucylovesguitar 4 months ago 28
@lucylovesguitar i know right! even tv shows get it wrong!
pureawesomeness2012 3 months ago
@lucylovesguitar
you're an idiot
Steve Jobs was a fag and so are you
the suits at Xerox had no brains and no respect for their engineers, Jobs stole everything
you2besux 3 months ago
@lucylovesguitar WTF are you talking about? He just said Xerox invented the GUI, yet apple are credited with its invention.
BOZ11 3 months ago
@lucylovesguitar so if you invited me into your house, and i stole your silverware. Inviting someone over includes the guests right to steal their ideas and technology. When did they willingly give over any technology to Steve? When they invited him? please read my first sentence in this comment.
Brandonduboff 2 months ago
@lucylovesguitar wrong again. They didnt give him the tech. They were only showing what they COULD do and would do if apple invested and instead of investing Jobs developed his own GUI based on xerox's
Bishnach 1 month ago
@lucylovesguitar
Well the problem I have with both Apple and Microsoft on the matter is that they both do "firsting" on the matter on who is the real innovator of the GUI and lock anyone out from trying to complete with them by filing BS copyrights and IP's on stuff on the GUI
DancingMadRB3 1 month ago
@lucylovesguitar Then explain why Xerox released their own personal computer? Why would a competing company want another company to use their idea if it will detract sales from their own product?
jpatton1989 1 month ago
@lucylovesguitar Same here! I hate when people say they "stole" the idea. I hate how others also say that they stole the mouse idea. They didn't. The inventor the the mouse, Doug Engelbart, sold his patent to Apple for like $40k.
maccollectorZ 3 weeks ago
Yea jobs is blind alright, blind to being the same arrogant, self centered douche bag he always was.
x900lbGorillax1 4 months ago
well, I am not an apple fan. i never used a mac but you should not say he "stole" the GUI.
erfanullahjan 4 months ago
@dtwhitney I see you're still defending Apple for not stealing but "making Xerox' GUI better". I'd like you to make the same argument for Android then or the OEMs Apple is suing (other than Samsung because they blatantly copied the form and feel of the iphone)
IRejectUrReality 4 months ago
@dtwhitney by ipod do you mean their mp3 player? I believe the mp3 player came way before the ipod. Did Apple revolutionize the mp3 market? Hell yes they did. I will never doubt Jobs marketing ability or ability to make great products that true enough "just work", but I will not give them credit for creating something just because I didnt use/ wasnt interested in it before hand.
IRejectUrReality 4 months ago
@IRejectUrReality NO shit, Sherlock. I'm not saying the iPod came first. I'm saying the iPod was the first successful mp3 player.
dtwhitney 4 months ago
Steve Jobs and Apple did NOT steal the GUI and mouse from Xerox. Xerox sold their technology to Apple in exchange for pre-IPO stock because Xerox executives were too dumb to see the importance of what Xerox PARC was doing. Look it up.
gregoryvassar 4 months ago
He copied their idea and improved on it a lot.
SthlmHenrik 4 months ago
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SthlmHenrik 4 months ago
I don't understand why this is such a big issue, who copied who. Someone put text on the screen first, everyone else followed. The GUI was the natural next step. Someone put four wheels on a vehicle first, everyone else followed. Someone put a gas engine in a car first. Everybody takes everyone else's designs and refines them.
snorman1911 4 months ago
@snorman1911 There is a difference between taking influence and blatantly copying.
MorkaGraven 4 months ago
@MorkaGraven
Look at the two side by side. He copied it.
freedom0speech 4 months ago
@freedom0speech That's what I was getting at too. I was arguing what someone else had to say.
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snorman1911 4 months ago
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@MorkaGraven Consider pre-GUI operating systems, such as MS-DOS, CP/M, and still in use Unix shells (bash, bourne, C), etc. etc. One would argue that they are all blatent copies of something else. MS-DOS itself was based on QDOS which was a straight copy of CP/M based on the operating manual.
snorman1911 4 months ago
@snorman1911
I'll explain why this matters.
For almost 3 decades, Apple fans have been claiming that Apple invented everything, from the GUI, to the mouse. They were wrong on all counts, and I've been calling them out on it for years. Only now is the truth coming out. Apple has been in the habit of lying to their users about these kinds of things for almost 30 years. I don't have enough space in the comment section for all the examples. It's time Steve was exposed for the LIAR he was.
freedom0speech 4 months ago 4
@freedom0speech well, point taken. Apple users definitely pray to Steve Jobs... :)
snorman1911 4 months ago
@freedom0speech
preach it !
you2besux 3 months ago
@freedom0speech
well, at oe point they claimed their Apple II was the best-selling computer of all time, deliberately ignoring theC=64.
So lying a indeed a long-held habit of theirs.
Apple if alot like the govt., truth is kryptonite to them.
Vebinz 3 months ago
@snorman1911 Yeah but you don't proclaim yourself as the fucking inventor of the wheel if you're not. The problem is not in following somebody else's idea, it's about following somebody else's idea and telling everyone that the opposite happened. I'm fucking tired of this hypocrisy.
cirocar 3 months ago
@snorman1911
You are right, except Apple fan boys screa, murder when someone else does it (especialyl Microsoft), yet defend Apple when they do it.
Also, not everyone knows this, so there are many Mactards who DO think Apple invented the gui, the mouse, the mp3 player, the smartphone, and the tablet.
Vebinz 3 months ago
@Vebinz "there are many Mactards who DO think Apple invented the gui, the mouse, the mp3 player, the smartphone, and the tablet"
Fucking tell me about it! Even in "educated" circles these tards exist
BOZ11 3 months ago
Thank God he didn't take notice of the networked computers or Apple would probably be suing everyone and his brother for stealing the internet from them.
greedoe 4 months ago
..and now Apple wants to sue Google for "stealing" UI from iOS?
apoogee 4 months ago
@apoogee If you read his biography you'll find out that stealing this was a great thing. Xerox executed it terribly. They didn't complete it and it looked horrible. They just stole the idea. Not the same
andyhmltn 4 months ago
@apoogee For instance the xerox mouse costed >$300
andyhmltn 4 months ago
4. Steve Jobs was NOT AT APPLE when the lawsuit against Microsoft was launched.
viv3ka 4 months ago
3. Apple sued Microsoft, but lost because you can't copyright ideas, only how those ideas are expressed, and the judge ruled that the GUI ideas couldn't have been expressed any other way. XEROX joined the suit, arguing that Apple was trying to copyright things that had been invented by XEROX PARC. The judge threw that out as well; in the end, just about everything except the Trash Can icon were ruled uncopyrightable. This is why Windows has a recycle bin instead.
viv3ka 4 months ago
2. Microsoft also got a license to some elements of the XEROX GUI. They also got a sneak peek at the Mac OS, for the express purpose of building application software. When Windows launched it took ideas from both XEROX and the Mac. They had a license for the XEROX ideas, but not the Mac ideas.
viv3ka 4 months ago
All the things you're "debating" in here are well documented matters of fact. Why not try finding out what actually happened? 1. Yes, much of the GUI was invented at PARC, but XEROX management wasn't interested in it. So they gave Apple a 3-day tour, in return for being allowed to buy a million dollars worth of shares at the pre-IPO price. By the time of the public listing of Apple those shares were worth $17 Million. By now I suppose they would be worth billions.
viv3ka 4 months ago
Steve Jobs would fit in China just fine; stealing is good.
hansonkewl06 4 months ago
Actually it was advertised that Steve Jobs took tips from the Xerox Star to make the first commercial computer with a GUI.
insecur 4 months ago
Steve (hand) Jobs: "BOO HOO HOO, Android STOLE from ME, and I want to destroy them for it." Lucky XEROX didn't feel the same way about him... OH well he's DEAD now... Got what he deserved by delaying legitimate treatment. Technically smart (beyond his rip offs), but otherwise a meglomaniag egocentric dumbass...
AngstG 4 months ago
Xerox sued apple over the gui issue. xerox indeed used the word 'steal'. It is a fact. check the correct sources, people. oh, please note: apple fanboys are not the correct sources.
limafilho27 4 months ago 2
translation: thats the mouse all you batches use
jacketnipple 4 months ago
object oriented programming, he didn't see it... OH COME ON!!!
Eneru89 4 months ago
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Jobs is amazing. I heard he released all his chinese slaves in his will.
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chef40126 4 months ago
Steve Jobs' genius was that he could see the future, he was always way ahead of the staus quo. That's what having vision means. He recognised the potential of others' good ideas even before they did, and then he went and made them happen. Luckily for us and for the whole industry.!
chef40126 4 months ago
If you're really interested in technology innovation and invention's you should go to Israel who invents more technologically than anywhere in the world.
TechLinkOnline 4 months ago
It came to a lawsuit with Xerox prevailing. The law interpreted as stealing. There are No ifs and or buts about it, he stole!
socalrws 4 months ago
@socalrws "The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled 'that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons.'"
disorganizedorg 4 months ago
"good artists copy great artists steal"
Chipudnik 4 months ago
@Chipudnik He took that the wrong way... that not what the phrase means
ht448 4 months ago
@Chipudnik bad artists copy, good artists innovate, great artists steal.
lucinos19 4 months ago 16
@lucinos19
Legendary artists murder great artists and assume their identities.
Skutarth 3 months ago
@Skutarth
Lmfao.
Sigrafix 3 months ago
@lucinos19 great artists create.Steve Jobs was the RayWillianJohnson of industry
Glarium1 3 months ago
@nomadmac I wonder would Apple be flattered if you took what you loved about their products and just "perfected" them? Would they just be happy that they inspired you? Apple stopped giving a damn about innovation a long time ago. Its all about their bank account. And now that their only spark of innovation is no longer with us, its gonna be the same story as when Jobs was fired in the 90's. Only difference is he left then with more money to blow
IRejectUrReality 4 months ago
@nomadmac I'll take that one. Most Appleholics would have responded that apple invented the cell phone... But still I personally think that Apple has no problem borrowing others' technology but won't lease our license theirs just to stifle innovation. I mean suing HTC for the ability to click on a link in an email. Really? For someone who started out like he did I wonder how hard he would make it for someone who loved Apple product like he loved Xerox' GUI.
IRejectUrReality 4 months ago
@dtwhitney if it was google or microsoft you'd bash them for not being innovative enough, but with anything apple or Steve Jobs related you find a way to argue that they were simply making it better. Stop drinking the apple juice, it isnt good for you. Besides multi-touch name one thing they actually created...
IRejectUrReality 4 months ago
@IRejectUrReality FireWire. Not satisfied?
Jobs had his name on over 300 patents and thirty were his own patents.
As Steve said at one keynote, "handles on a computer. And it took Apple to think of it".
nomadmac 4 months ago
@IRejectUrReality iPod
dtwhitney 4 months ago
This doesn't mean he stole the GUI. It means he merely adopted the idea of just having one and perfected it.
dtwhitney 4 months ago
@dtwhitney ur wrong he saw it copied it thats considered stealing in the book of the law dumbass
Brick4956 4 months ago
@Brick4956
It's not stealing if you pay for it. Apple paid Xerox with stock options.
Xerox just had no idea how valuable their research actually was.
Molo9000 4 months ago
@Brick4956 NIce try. But even if he did "steal it" which he didn't. (refer to the other comment that was replied to you) Seeing something and "copying" it (that is to assume it was an EXACT replica) would be more considered copyright infringment. Although much the same principle as stealing, is an entirely different thing. Moreover, if it is not an exact replica and slightly different or improved, it is not infringement, it is just another idea that has come to fruition.
Poontangclannn 4 months ago
@Brick4956 You're an idiot. He didn't copy it. He saw it and made it better. Following the influence of using a GUI but making a better one isn't stealing in the book of the law, dumbass. That's like suing the first-ever bicycle maker that added pedals just because he made his own version of the bike. Stupid.
dtwhitney 4 months ago
@dtwhitney wow ur in idiot u say he saw copied it and made it better thats considered stealing as it wasnt his idea u point it out in ur own words that is why it's considered stealing
Brick4956 4 months ago
@Brick4956 You're an idiot. I said he DIDN'T copy it. Learn to read and write before you put words in my mouth. And ask your special ed teacher on how to use punctuation.
dtwhitney 4 months ago
Bell Labs > Xerox > Lucent Tech. One those behind the scenes companies which developed technologies that realy changed the world. Their products may not have their branding on it. They mad the sand box we know today as Consumer Tech. Top bad Lucent Tech is runt of a company.
Neojhun 4 months ago
The GUI was licensed indefinately by Xerox to Apple in exchange for Apple stock. Microsoft is the one who copied (*stole*) it, changed a couple of things, and called it unique.
linuxrobotdude 4 months ago 2
@linuxrobotdude The surprise is that both steve and bill are backstabbing bitches that stole other's ideas.
Heartdelay 4 months ago
@Heartdelay
You nailed it. Steve was every bit as dirty and snake like as Bill. Many Apple fans will never admit this, and choose to think Steve was Jesus Christ.
freedom0speech 4 months ago
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linuxrobotdude 4 months ago
The Man Who Invented GUI is Dr. Alan KAY!!!!
He invented the mouse to!
Steve Jobs RIPed Alan Kay off!
creaturebotman 4 months ago
@creaturebotman The mouse was invented by Douglas Engelbart and later it was improved in the Xerox Parc.
emuman1 4 months ago
@emuman1 ..
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you are right.
My mistake
but it was Dr. Alan Kay who invented the GUI. of that I am sure.. small talk too.
creaturebotman 4 months ago
@creaturebotman Well, I'm not sure if We can give the merit of inventing the GUI just only to Dr. Alan Key. He was working on it with a lot of other researchers in Xerox parc, so probably it was just a joint invention, and even the smalltalk was developed by several persons in Xerox Parc.
emuman1 4 months ago
@emuman1 ..
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Yes. I am quite sure HE is the primary reason GUI and symbolic programming language like Smalltalk came into existences. I worked with the Man when he was Chief Scientist at Atari. Pure Genius. One of the most underrated pioneers of Silicone Valley. But I was there... I know the truth
creaturebotman 4 months ago
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Good artists copy great artists
steal - steve jobs- hmm
qwertypoor 4 months ago
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steal - steve jobs-
qwertypoor 4 months ago
Everybody copies everybody. It's called competition. If you see your comp having a sale, and you stay the same price, you're going to lose business.
GeneralGiantPanda 4 months ago
@GeneralGiantPanda He didn't just copy, tho. He stole the code, and took away the idea from the company.
Worfox13 4 months ago
@GeneralGiantPanda
Tell that to apple. You know, the company that is constantly suing people over bogus claims of copyright infringement.
pbmdh 4 months ago
@GeneralGiantPanda BS....people get caught for stealing and sued also. It's called copyright. There is a whole field of law called Intellectual Property for a good reason.
Snackay 4 months ago
@Snackay For copying an actual code, that is stealing. You can't say it doesn't happen in buisness though...
GeneralGiantPanda 4 months ago
my name
SteveJobsDiedLOL 4 months ago
The name, Macintosh, was spelled wrong on purpose. The apple "McIntosh" doesn't have an A in it. The "Mac" actually stands for Mind Aided Cognition. Jobs stole that idea too.
fastfoodclowns 4 months ago
@fastfoodclowns No, it doesn't. "Macintosh" is spelled wrong for trademark purposes.
snorman1911 4 months ago
LOL STEVE JOBS JUST LOST HIS JOB AHAHAHHA
lolkthxbyez 4 months ago
Most successful "borrowing" in history. Amazing how he escaped the whole "evil capitalist" label over the years - even by the biggest leftists. Made billions off Americans and they smiled as they bought their newest toys. We complain about Exxon making a profit off the gas we use to drive to the nearest Apple store, but we go buy an overpriced ipod that lasts about a year. No known charitable giving (fine with me), but Bill Gates was the villain. Americans are strange. R.I.P.
rodbuzz 4 months ago
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Idiocy "Stole", Xerox Park yeah, did the original work, but they had no balls to market it, Steve Jobs made a commercial agreement, regular & convenient for both
Steve - we salute you
Against all trends and polls
Ignoring experts
You went your own way and changed the world for the Better.
vaxiawval 4 months ago
R.I.P stev jobs
CampKillYourself5432 5 months ago
R.I.P. Steve Jobs
contestboy 5 months ago
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@contestboy: Dellusional -- research your murk; mawkish dross -- yet another cult of monopolistic phony-history worshiper: self-congratulatory mass inculcation psychobabble, cloaked in a dress-casual hocuspocus mantra, spewing slovenly layered chicanery ... sick and utterly demented rubbish. Gates & Jobs remain nothing more than two-bit poker play-strategist homos who used by latching their vampiric incisors into the necks of others ... spurred on by a tsunami of trans-capital: end
CarCriticAssessor 5 months ago
Xerox stole many of the the ideas from Douglas Englebart whom demonstrated them at Stanford Research Institute in 1968.
m9078jk3 5 months ago 2
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@m9078jk3: you said it.
CarCriticAssessor 5 months ago
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CarCriticAssessor 5 months ago
he looked good with young homo or not,crip steve always will love you.
EpicNicky2011 5 months ago
steve is dead T_T =(
luanle21 5 months ago
hes dead
tacoluver12345 5 months ago
@Buickdoc He stole the idea! Simply put.
deloreanx 5 months ago
A person cannot own an idea. A person cannot patent an idea. Therefore one can not steal an idea. If Jobs had taken the code for the Xerox gui and used it, that would be stealing. He took the idea, presented it to Steve Wozniak and others, and they developed their own code to develop a gui like Xerox. That is not stealing. As a matter of fact, Apple was able to develop, perfect, and market their computer for less than 20% of the cost of a Xerox Parc.
BuickDoc 5 months ago
Apple stole from Xerox and Microsoft stole from Apple... Microsoft got the sloppy seconds :D
MyWonderApple 5 months ago
Hardly stealing when Apple paid for the right to use the Xerox patents with quite big chunk of their stock. Jobs's fanboys just like to think he invented that stuff. Search Sketchpad Demo by Ivan Sutherland and you will see a presentation of the first functioning GUI to which all current ones can trace their history to. In 1957 at the MIT Lincoln Laboratories, less than a surprise that many of the people at XEROX Palo Alto came from there...
Meton12765 5 months ago
He didn't steal the GUI, because Xerox got 100k Apple stocks in return for the visit.
LegoLoverFilms 5 months ago
A really good movie to see is "Pirates of Silicon Valley". It's historically accurate (although some events had to be condensed for Hollywood purposes) and the actors (Noah Wylie as Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Gates) do a great job capturing the essence of the "feud" between Gates and Jobs.
@hypnotize.....Jobs CREATED the future of computers. That's what great minds do. That's how he knew the GUI was going to be the future of computers--because that is what he wanted to happen.
tennisbum123 6 months ago
object oriented programming is what java uses, java is used by android, android is the most popular fastest growing OS on the planet. how is steve jobs going to go back and say that he had everything to do with that when he just said he was blind to it.
and if he reiterates and says he didnt actually mean blinded then he did see it back then and he is bullshitting now
HypnotizeCampPosse 6 months ago
he's such as bullshitter. he's only saying he thought that because it happened. then he goes back after the fact and states his level of confidence and that he *knew* what the future was gonna be. i wanna he him do something live - on the fly.
HypnotizeCampPosse 6 months ago
this kind of behavior is probably why apple is so secretive. this way any ideas they had before that were wrong they can say they never had and then later say they knew the answers the whole time... thats not how innovation works. if we had the answers we wouldnt be making advancements... fuckin steve jobs... i challenge him to a game of tic tac toe
HypnotizeCampPosse 6 months ago
Oh dear steve, little you know and lot of talking about. Your main objective is stole the GUI, nothing more. But im afraid = there's no idea what will you do then... How disappointing.
7000rab 6 months ago
First: Steve Jobs was invited to Xerox to see the new UI.
Second: Apple purchased Parc from Xerox in exchange for 1 million dollars of Apple stock, sorry no "stealing" here.
suhailmishlawi 6 months ago
WAIT, STEVE JOBS HAD HAIR?????
sonicdremgenesis 6 months ago 29
@sonicdremgenesis ask any fanboy... his nuts are quite furry too.
midnightfapper 5 months ago
@sonicdremgenesis lots of it lol
sanoonbs 5 months ago
@sonicdremgenesis Yeah, he also had cancer jackass.
SuperJopo123 4 months ago
@SuperJopo123 just cause someone had cancer doesnt give them the right to steal
Brick4956 4 months ago
@sonicdremgenesis That was such a shallow comment. Most bald and/or men with severe receding hairline have had a full set of hair some time in their life.
audacityknight 4 months ago
You mean stole as in paid for, right?
macpipkin 6 months ago
Ever heard of SIGMA computers?
I was a Xerox employee for 32 years. We couldn't sell that stuff.
We sold copier boxes with large profits and even better commissions.
We even hired ex IBM salesguys and they couldn't survive in the Xerox culture.
We should have started a separate company
UMBARIVER 1 year ago 24
Apple let Xerox buy shares in their company extra cheap in exchange for the rights to use this GUI technology the Xerox directors weren't interested in developing. Whilst it may seem like a stupid decision now, given the prevalence of Apple-based DTP, the Xerox machines were stupidly expensive mini-computers. It took Apple's innovation to make a PC, mainly by stripping away the Object-Oriented Programming System it was built upon so you could no longer hack the OS whilst running the OS.
Uncompetative 1 year ago
Steve Jobs did not steal the Xerox technology. I'm not an Apple user (I have an Alienware Aurora).
Read the book Infinite Loop and it takes you through the whole Xerox journey. Steve Jobs actually wasn't even a fan of the '84 Mac at first but came around when the Lisa had failed.
Please read history, don't make assumptions, and get the story right. It's all right there in the book.
Mike
designerandpublisher[dot]com
mwdeaf9094 1 year ago
First of all don't be a fan boy... I've seen your channel. Second of all everyone steals its just what happens. Truly unique ideas and innovations are far and few between, but they are so great that people tend to rip them off. The way steve jobs stole the gui idea, is that he went on a trip to xerox with a group of software engineers and programmers and basically where to find out how, why, the what of the xerox gui. They where able to have a q & a with xerox programmers.
Jon2fine 1 year ago
@Jon2fine According to what I saw, he went there and asked to come back with his engineers. The Xerox woman in charge was smart enough to realize they'd be "giving away the farm" and had her boss authorize the revisit so she wouldn't get fired for same. When corporations steal they usually get sued as in the current lawsuits between Apple and Samsung. Possibly Xerox should have been smarter. Not sure that their stupidity makes Jobs any less a crook. Everyone steals? That's a bit much.
johncfl 5 months ago