EVERYONE: dont ask, dont tell is NOT meant to demonize gays like the liberals claim. its meant to keep te chain of command working. if a unit found out there leader was gay many would lose the valuable respect for the person that would be needed to normaly run the unit. the law doesnt say you cant be gay and in the military it just says dont come out of the closet when your in the military. i dont get why thats so bad
@M11ty I feel totally more free knowing brown people thousands of miles away that have no bearing on my life are being killed for my own personal freedom. I'm gonna go watch Full Metal Jacket and jerk off now.
The Good, The Bad, and the UGLY on the repeal of DADT:
Good: The military will make effeminate gay men more masculine, which is a good thing. Hate crimes would plummet if gay men acted more Rock Hudson then Perez Hilton.
Bad: ironic that it was repealed by a bunch of libs who hate the military and wouldn't serve in a million years no matter if we had ten 9/11 attacks.
Ugly: people wanting to serve in the military but on their terms, not the military's. Whats next? doctors notes?
Whatever happened to God ? The commandments ? It's not so much the gay thing as it is the Godless society thing. Now, I'll be standing by fo rthe "God loves gays too" rhetoric. Fact is, America as we knw it is finished, corporations unaccountable yet take our money, then dont hire, banker,wall street greed thugs getting away with way too much, tax base losing their shirts, political correctness and gay issues strangling a once great society. You will all pay later, I'll be standing by for that 2
Gays have always served in the military. I know many and am proud to serve with them. As long as they can perform their daily duties, who cares what they do in the privacy of their own home? They are people too and should not be treated like second class citizens. Let them serve with honor like that have done for centuries. They bleed and can die while supporting the very freedoms that give you the right to talk bad about them. How messed up is that? We as a nation are better than that!
I am currently serving in the military in Iraq. Gays have always served in the military. I know many and am proud to serve with them. As long as they can perform their daily duties, who cares what they do in the privacy of their own home? They are people too and should not be treated like second class citizens. Let them serve with honor like that have been for centuries.
@VeteranConservative At least gays don't go around telling straights to go die. Be thankful you haven't been treated like shit your whole life because you're straight. What if it was the other way around, how would you feel to be made fun of every day because of who you are? I don't think it would be that nice, do you? So shut up and let people be who they are, please.
PS It doesn't matter where you faught or how many wars you've been in, it's the fact that you are risking to be for your country
Obama's arrogant statements only make sense, he's never worn the uniform, he doesn't understand that openly gay leads to unprofessional ism and that there is a difference between traditional american society and the military. As a service member, you are not entitled to the same rights as a civilian. Therefore, yes, you can have a military of "don't ask don't tell" even though mainstream American society doesn't care. Its different for a reason...obama is an arrogant jackass.
@Alexn1067 Once again. Same useless comments from a DADT supporter. In all militaries that have lifted gay bans, not one of them have reported noticeable effects on unit cohesion or morale. And even if the soldiers aren't entitled to the same rights, DADT was allowing gay soldiers to be harassed without being able to report it. Women are specifically targeted if they rejected the advances of straight males like yourself.
@Alexn1067 Your point was that soldiers weren't treated the same as civilians. My point was that didn't justify the harassment gay soldiers faced under DADT. Your point was that was lifting gay bans caused unprofessionalism. My point was that none of the nations that have lifted have noticed any decreased effectiveness, cohesion, or morale. Don't believe me? Look up Is the Gay Ban Based on Military Necessity by Aaron Belkin. DADT was repealed for a reason.
@Savior20061 1st off I never defended harassment. I am against open Gayness in the ranks, that is unprofessional as open male-female relationships within the ranks.
Do you have a frame of reference, are you in any of the services?
@Alexn1067 I never said you defended harassment. I am just concerned that you either ignore it or deny that it exists. Many DADT proponents do the former. I am not in the service but I have seen the arguments from both sides, and the argument that openly gay soldiers will make it an unprofessional environment. Google, "DADT: is the gay ban based on military necessity by Aaron Belkin."
@Savior20061 well I do have some experience in the service, so I fully understand the impact of such a policy. I don't care what other foreign military policy is, what works for them works for them. We're talking about the U.S. military. Under don't ask don't tell, gays were permitted to serve so long as they kept their extra-curricular activities out of the work place. The repeal of such a policy invites the opposite, and can only have negative outcomes....enough said.
@Savior20061 what your talking about are people who were kicked out either honorably or dishonorably over the rumor of being gay or from someone else spilling the beans whom was told in confidence. On some of these accounts, transfers would have been suitable as opposed to discharge.
Such horror stories have more to do with bad judgment on behalf of superiors as opposed to the policy itself.
@Savior20061 DADT policy clearly states that superiors may not investigate one's orientation without any cause other then direct behavior and no termination is not always necessary under the policy.
2. no gay soldiers should not be openly gay when in uniform or when conducting business on behalf of the military. (you won't understand unless you were to actually put on a uniform)
@Alexn1067 Nope, I'm disappointed because from you i heard the same tired arguments. Have you read Aaron Belkin's article which I referred to twice already yet? I say once again, no country that has lifted military gay bans has noticed any significant effect on the effective of their military. I don't know everything, but in the case of DADT the facts lay on our side, which was why it was repealed.
@Savior20061 I've read all the same stuff you did. Dude, theres a big difference between researching a topic for a college paper and having first hand experience
The countries that have lifted bans on open gayness in the ranks have far more issues then order and professionalism. Yes we make the same arguments because they are the right ones. As much as you are tired of hearing 2 plus 2 equals 4, its still true
@Alexn1067 More like insisting 2+2=fish. It's a great move, because gay soldiers can no longer be harassed and unable to tell their superiors, and the military won't have to waste taxpayer money training and arming people that will be discharged for what amounts to no reason at all. And the same people whining about how this means the destruction of the military will still be saying the same thing 30 years later after nothing has changed.
@Savior20061 oh you've got it all figured out huh? You've read some articles or maybe even written a research paper about it. Whats funny is in reading your interpretation of DADT, it was clear that there were holes in your understanding. You live on fantasy land
and why do you keep insisting that gay soldiers are somehow harassed to the extent as some epidemic? I guess you'd support open relationships between soldiers in the same unit too huh?
@Alexn1067 1. Holes in my understanding? In every argument I've ever been in on this subject, the proponent has made some stupid analogy about men showering with women, or saying that openly gay soldiers would compromise military effectiveness, which hasn't been substantiated at all.
2. "I guess you'd support open relationships between soldiers in the same unit too huh?"
It was only a matter of time before you got to the idiotic assumptions. Notice how I never accused you of hating gay people?
@Savior20061 you have false ideas or incomplete understanding of DADT.
I brought up point 2 because openly gay soldiers pose the same issues associated with male and female service members.
Leftists such as yourself would like to think that DADT is somehow a discriminating policy and that all straight soldiers are homophobes. when in fact it isn't. Under DADT gay soldiers can serve
Hmmm....I guess this is eye-opening. At first I guess I had the impression you considered DADT a practical, necessary evil and that that gay discrimination was minimal. But don't think it discriminates against gay people at all? A straight soldier could talk about all the stupid broads he fucked with his mates and no one would say anything. A gay soldier could talk about his a vacation with his husband and get discharged. This is fair?
@Savior20061 its not about what is fair, that is what you don't fucking understand. I challenge you to eat a piece of humble pie and understand that the standards that apply to your life as a civilian do not apply to your would-be-life in the military. In the service, you are not entitled to the same rights as you would as a civilian, this applies to more then just being gay or straight
@Savior20061 yeah thats right, its okay..because everyone is treated like garbage in the military...haha see this is where your ignorance really shows.
This ain't the UAW you're talking about, this is an organization that asks its member to possibly lay their lives down
Respond to this video... 1. "Leftists" Your condescending labels don't faze me.
2. "that all straight soldiers are homophobes."
Nope. Many are though. And the ones that are support DADT. Once you get past the poor analogies, and unsubstantiated fearmongering about straights quitting the service in mass droves and gays molesting straights in the shower, you are left with a person who simply either doesn't like gay people or just doesn't fucking care.
@Savior20061 hahaha lets not pretend like you haven't tried to label me either okay....don't go there buddy
you don't know most soldiers, as we pointed out, you're not, never have been, and probably never will get any exposure to the military. So don't hypothesize or draw conclusions about the mindset of our service members...unless you want to look like a moron.
2. "So don't hypothesize or draw conclusions about the mindset of our service members".
I didn't. I just think that most of the ones supporting DADT simply don't like homosexuals. It doesn't necessarily means they dislike them to the point of hatred. Take a poll of the two fences and ask the people what they think about the queers. I guarantee that DADT supporters will be more likely to say they don't like homosexuals for whatever reason.
@Alexn1067 That's not an assumption. I said supporters would be MORE likely to dislike them. I didn't say that all of them necessarily would. You say you don't, but in the same breath you imply DADT isn't a discriminating policy. You have the nerve to call me ignorant after THAT little display? You have the nerve to call me ignorant after calling me a leftist who thinks all straights soldiers are homophobes, and that I would support open relationships within the military?
@Savior20061 and tell me, what is the value in a soldier telling his CO about his personal sex life? What is the value in them knowing about the sexual orientation of their subordinates? If anything it sounds like a distraction in a "in your face" sort of way.
under DADT its nobody's business to know and its nobody's business to tell. These "harassment" stories are examples where people deviated from the policy by either "telling" or "asking"
@Alexn1067 1. What the hell? You didn't get the point at all. Gay soldiers aren't going to be telling a CO every aspect of their sex life. DADT was repealed so that if they were being harassed for being gay, they could tell someone.
2. "Harassment" in quotes like it doesn't exist. Beautiful. Yet another person blissfully ignorant of the problem. You seriously think people don't ask questions? You don't think anyone ever asked a gay guy why he didn't have a wife or a girlfriend back home?
@Savior20061 I think most people don't really give a shit to ask in the first place, so long as said person doesn't draw attention to it.
who's making all the assumptions here? You're whole argument is based on such assumptions. Like I said, you have no real frame of reference. Military society is different from civilian society, this is why you are unable to understand.
2. No it isn't. Gay people were harassed. That was a fact. They couldn't report the incident thanks to DADT. What's so hard to understand about that?
3. Saying "it's different" and "you don't understand" is not a justification for unethical treatment, but merely an excuse. So a scientific journal article is not a frame of reference? Interesting...
@Savior20061 yeah all you hear about are the ones that were harassed, what about all the gays that served with no problems? Your view is skewed and biased
a scientific journal is useful for a research paper, but in no way does it trump real experience
and I brought up the point that you don't understand because YOU DON'T. I DO, I have learned that there is quite a difference between military and civilian life, in the military you don't have the same rights you otherwise would as a civilian.
Respond to this video... Oh yes it does. Real world experience can be enlightening as far as emotions and understanding go, but your experience is not the same as everyone else's. A journal gives you some numbers to crunch, and the numbers come out on our side.
@Savior20061 myself calling you out on not knowing the game is not the same as trying to justify any wrongdoing.....thats simply nonsense.
as a civilian you look at it from a rights standpoint, from a a military perspective, its mission oriented, objective oriented, where service members are expendable to an extent...thats right, you don't understand
Respond to this video... And what about the women Alex? What about the practice of "lesbian-baiting", where women that reject the advances of male colleagues are then said to be lesbians? Does that also not exist?
@Savior20061 I don't know where you get your info, but I've never seen any of it. Its seems to me as though you have some pre-conceived and exaggerated notion about what is going on
@Savior20061 the ban was lifted because it sought to get a feel good knee jerk reaction out of so called "progressives" which is what Obama has tried so desperately to aspire his image to. The fact is, its a bad move just like numerous others under Obama.
As I said, this leaves for nothing but bad results. How bad, we'll have to see starting in September.
You can thank America's open homosexual gay community. When a man rapes a boy, gay men say that he, the man, is not homosexual. He raped a boy, he is a homosexual and a pedophile.
@23guitarhero There's no way VetCon is a vet. All the vets I've met would've made some coherent argument against the policy instead of foaming at the mouth about killing "fags".
Wow gay rage. Oh no. Go suck a dick and stick it up your ass literally whenever you get angry then. These are surely your gay instincts whenever everything goes wrong and they must calm you the fuck down.
I cannot wait to vote Obama's "rear end" out of office. Black people around the world are ashamed of him.
With all of the problems that America has...unemployment, crime, lack of funds for education, hunger, homelessness, lack of healthcare for millions of Americans, wars (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan,etc.), he decides to support the mentally ill gay people. If anything, he should be trying to create a "Department of Mental Health for Gays and Lesbians", in order to cure our sick gay people.
Homosexuals join the army and fight for their country despite all homophobes telling them to eat shit and die, homosexuals die for our country, they die so that you can have the freedom to say such terrible things about them. I hope you rot in hell.
Why should we die? Because we don't hurt anybody? Because we simply want happiness? Because even with dehumanising monsters like you around wishing death upon us we still do not wish death unto you? Because we understand right and wrong better than you? Or could it simply be that without following your precious 2,000 year old text book, all meaning in your life disintegrates? So, you cling with your hands as wroten as the pages of the book to which you so desperately cleave.
In 1948, when the military was racially integrated the vast majority of white troops were against it because they "refused to serve with niggers" for some bullshit religious or personal reasons and threatened to leave the military. Somehow they got over it. In 1976 when the military was gender integrated, a lot of male troops claimed they would refuse to serve with women and leave the military. Somehow they got over it too since our military is still here and intact with blacks and women in it.
@VeteranConservative Thanks Marine! This whole repeal is a mess and the liberals have a crazy agenda and they have no reality! DADT was a compromise, nobody was happy with when it went into effect. Before that, gays were not allowed at all, but DADT gave them the ability to serve as long as they didn't flaunt their homosexuality. This community won't ever shut up! They'll always be asking for everything and more. It won't last because of the majority in the service like you and I.
We are too a nation that says "don't ask, don't tell"... If we were an open nation Julian Assange would be free and allowed to be an independent journalist to expose evil in our country and the entire world.
Why soooo much control? Because of terrorists? NO! Because of corrupt government.. Evil is in our world and in those with the power...
Christ exists. The muslims and the jews know it. Christ's arrival was predicted several times in the old testament. Even the muslims worship the God of Israel.
DADT needs to come back for real, if the US is going to get any respect. Right after DADT repeal, north Korea and pakistan started their crap. Hobama is being tested for his weakness again! We really dont need this crap right now with the recession and all!
@90sRapForeverChannel Stupid. Muslims do not worship 'God of Israel'. Since when did one race claim they own 'God'?
And what DADT repeal has got to do with North Korea and Pakistan? btw, what is wrong with Pakistan, did they do something? as far as I know, the government is US ally to combat taliban.
i get it you dont want america to be morally screwed like france and canada, you want the US to have sound moral standings like south korea and iran.
the only respect america will get from not repealing dadt is from countries that do not allow gays in the military. countries like belize, cuba, uganda, north korea, and saudi arabia. at least they will like us.
Explain the relationship to the recession? Also, the following countries allow gays to serve openly:Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay. God didnt end their civilizations. Some that dont:Egypt,Fiji,Ghana,Iran,Nigeria,North Korea,Zimbabwe,Uganda See a trend?
@YOSHY343 You said: "am i just supposed to believe you just because i can't prove that [Christ] doesn't exist?" The answer is "no". Don't take my word for it. You must read the Holy Bible for yourself. Start with the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Matthew 7:7-8 reads:
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
@YOSHY343 You make it sound like homosexuals have been persecuted. It is in no way similar to being persecuted for being black or a woman etc. Homosexuals have chosen a perverted lifestyle, and expect special government benefits. Who says they have the right to have "fun"? Would you consider contacting/spreading AIDS fun? I stand by my previous comment: They can keep it in the closet, or choose the better choice: to come to Christ in repentance.
@YOSHY343 Why are you so intolerant to my opinion? Why do homosexuals feel they have the "right" to flaunt their sin? They can keep it in the closet, or choose the better choice: to come to Christ in repentance.
@YOSHY343 What does "putting it in the butt" have to do with being gay? Lesbians dont / cant do that and a lot of straight couples engage in that act. So, explain what you are talking about here.
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
@hugecocknballs To be honest I dont think that most people think it through that far. But they do have a sense that they will lose purpose if they stop hating.
if the founders of this great country knew this they would puke....utterly pathetic...no matter what kind of freaky shit you do in the bedroom has NO business being discussed. utterly pathetic!!! This will get repealed when the Republicans take over.
@xerakis You will need to rewrite the history in order for that to be true. Oh unless you are from texas where they did just that. Your lies and intimidation will ultimately lose because you have no proof that the repeal of dadt is harmful to anyone. All I read is god this and god that and not once has anyone said the actual harm gays do to society. If you want to life your life according that hateful bibie do so but dont impose that work of fiction on me!
@YOSHY343 John 14:6 states: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. He is the only one who can change a person's life for the better. No one is born a homosexual, but it is a chosen lifestyle. Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population, so why do they have so much say in what society accepts?
@YOSHY343 dude im not gay, my friend is and all my wing knows that and its fine cuz he acts like normal person and doesnt do what gay people do, now he can do w/e he wants which is bad for us, the law says clearly not to say you gay, and there are alot of gay people in the corp that have friend who know they gay and they dont tell about it because they are friends but now its terrible, Obama did lots of good stuff for this country and now he fucked it, thanks alot president
The Repeal of DADT,just proves what we have been saying all along,the democrats and jews,Worship the Rectum.but...God Shall not be Mocked.This sodomite damned nation,shall have to endure the full magnitude of the Wrath of Almighty God !
@montsyblackmadonna VOTE u r ignorant and blind! God is a about LOVE not trying to judge,if anyone enters hell its gonna be u!!!!! Ppl r created in his eyes,no one is a mistake,thats why he dies for everyone sins regardless!!!! Idiot ugh!!!!
@msParisxoxoable Political Correctness-Zionist Government Mindcontrol says,you can't critique,judge,or analyze.Well I am a free thinking,critical thinking individual who uses the brain God gave me.And you can't shut me up.
@montsyblackmadonna exactly,thats YOUR oppinion,u however DON NOT SPEAK FOR GOD,u CANNO JUDGE....so your shitty ass remarks dont matter u dumb bitch! <3
@msParisxoxoable Excuse me,but God speaks for God.It is written in the Holy Bible.God put a standard upon the Land,and expects you to follow it.God is not a Liar ! Are you calling God a liar,pray tell???
God said,"homosexuality is an abomination,and is worthy of death". Praise God,Praise the Lord.
@montsyblackmadonna okay so if "god" didn't want homosexuality he wouldn't have created someone that is!! and if there really is a "god" he could change it with a snap of his fingers!! but he doesn't... he doesn't do anything!! if there really is a "god" he could help out his creation!! and not just sit back and watch people get raped, murdered, and hurt everyday!! but no he just sits there and watches all the serial killers and rape and every other bad person out there doing all this bad shit!
@montsyblackmadonna people that are gay do not chose to be gay!! they are born that way! idiot! don't judge people till you know them! gay people are the same as you and me and everyone else! anyhow its really isn't any of your business what they do with their love life..they don't judge you on yours so don't judge them!
@montsyblackmadonna God is a concept created by man to control men in the here and now. If you belive the bible you must also believe this:If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. Deuteronomy 7:1-2 Shall we start collecting stones to kill our kids?
@montsyblackmadonna Oh please, I am 99% sure there is no god but in the event I am wrong I am 100% sure it doesnt give a fuck about us one way or another.
@montsyblackmadonna Jesus worshs the rectum. Interesting, you are aware, of course that Jesus is a Jew. The bible clearly states that the jews are gods chosen people. looks like the bolt of lightening is headed your way.
@yogabear1962 The satanic repeal of DADT,will lead to every manner of perverse abominations unto God.Gays should be arrested,they should not serve and protect,because all they do is Pervert and Infect.
@montsyblackmadonna Exactly what do people do because they happen to be gay that is bad? Why should gays be arrested? They already serve and protect. I wish you would explain why you think this way.
@Andy1000K The one reason I fear the republican party is there very effective ability to distroy our educational system which is what creates this sort of ignorance that we read on this page. Of course that is why no one on this page that is agains the repeal can actually articulate a reason. They just use fear and decete. Thanks for your astute observation.
@skyGazor I pray to God. I do not consider myself a christian, but I believe in a higher power. I feel that mainstream organized religion uses it's holy books to back up bigotry and hate. I believe in tolerance and acceptance.
The next law we need to pass is a law that requires churches that preach hate, to PAY THEIR OWN TAXES. I'm tired of subsidizing the churches that teach their followers to hate.
Those churches take MONEY in the form of tax subsidies from gays and lesbians, but then they use that money to fund their preaching of hate against us.
Can't wait for them to either stop the hate, or lose their tax-free status.
@vinorosso67 This has everything to do with my sinless Saviour Jesus Christ, who is Lord of lords and King of kings. Christ has already condemned homosexuality, so I'm just agreeing with Him. On Judgement Day every single person will stand before Christ, and not Obama the sinner.
@MrCairokid In the mean time we can have losts of fun with our slaves:Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Yea god is totally about piece and love!
Be warned: this "ceremony" is really about fools marching to win the right to justify sin, condemned by Jesus Christ and His Holy Word. He will not be mocked.
@MrCairokid Read your buy bull, man. Jesus never says anything about, "men who lie with men". It is St Paul in his letter to the Romans. Quit cherry picking to justify your willful ignorance. Emotional blackmail does not work on us anymore, but it apparently does on you. Jesus/God is mocked by the likes of you and other "christians". It's a hallmark of "christian" behavior to condemn acts that they themselves perpetrate.
@richwfd2002 Jesus Christ is God. 1 Timothy 3:16-17 states: All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
@richwfd2002 So, what you're saying is that it's true because it says it's true. Well, I guess I should believe the Quran or Harry Potter, for that matter. Sorry, but emotional attachment and wishful thinking does not make belief true. With all the inconsistencies and hearsay in the buybull, it is clearly wishful thinking and willful ignorance on the part of "christians" to claim such certainty, and since you lied in the original post, I will not respond again.
@MrCairokid First, why should I or anyone else conform to your notion of sin? Second I should think that if this god of yours existed he would have taken care of this long ago. Are you able to tell me exactly when he will take revenge for this "mocking" that is happening? Does this mean he will also take revenge on all people who believe but not in him? Just curious...
@MrCairokid I have read that hatful book. Your god promotes all sorts of evil and vile things. No matter you hate everything. I mean really have you ever actually taken a look at the real purpose of that document. It is to give men power over the here and how and has nothing to do with the ever after let alone with morality. Go ahead and read it, then you can get back to me, and Im nicer than your god and will accept an apology.
@yogabear1962 God came to earth in the form of a man named Jesus Christ. He died on the cross for our sins, to give us abundant and eternal life. That is the Gospel or Good News!
@MrCairokid And again I ask. How is it that gays serving openly in the military is a bad thing. Not one of your comments have any facts. Quoting the bible is irrilivant. What is the real issue, How is it bad? Being gay may be a sin to you but there are sinners doing all manor of stuff all around you and in the military. Why is this sin so special? So lets say you can kill all the fags, who are they coming for next I hope it isnt one of the sins you are guilty of... Get real
@yogabear1962 The Bible is true, whether you like it or not. It tells us that we are all sinners and worthy of Hell and eternal death. I am worthy of Hell and eternal death. I am not better than anyone else, but I am not afraid to face death. Because I have accepted the fact that Christ died for me on the cross, I am a sinner saved by grace, headed for Heaven. This offer is open to everyone who will accept Christ as their Saviour and Lord.
@MrCairokid This is an offer I reject because the teachings of the bible are evil and fictionary. But again you do not ever elaborate on exactly what is wrong with gays serving openly in the military like they do in civilian life? What is the difference between that "sin" and others that I am sure even you are guilty of? Just trying to understand.
@yogabear1962 I'm sorry to hear that you reject the life-giving solution to all the is wrong with the world: giving your heart and life to Jesus Christ. Hebrews11:6 states: "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." I stand on the Word of God for my opinions. What do you stand upon? You see, God has already condemned homosexuality, and I'm just agreeing with Him.
@MrCairokid I understand what you believe. How do you determine which sins to go after so vigerously. There are only 2%-10% of people that are gay. 50% of mariages end in devorce.Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. So why can divorced people serve in the military? There are so many more of them.
@yogabear1962 You say that you have read the Bible. Perhaps, you missed Hebrews 9:27 which states: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this the judgement,". We will ALL face God's judgement for our earthly sins, after we die. We might have sinned through: gossiping, lying, stealing, living a homosexual lifestyle, getting divorced... It really makes no difference, because all sins are equal. If we repent, and ask Christ to forgive our sins, He helps us to live holy lives.
@MrCairokid What I want to know is why you go after gays with vengence and yet make no effort to make devorce illegal, or wearing clothes made from two different materials, I could go on and on. I understand, because I have read the bible, that all sin to this fictional god is bad but if that is so why are you christians so inconsitant with living within gods will and descriminating against others? Your all up in arms about gays serving but NOTHING about kicking out those who devorce. WHY?
@MrCairokid Yes because you wont answer any of my questions. I never intended to change your mind all I want is to understand why you attack gays with such vigor and do not do the same to other people who according to your fictional beliefs are also committing sin. You are prepared to enact laws that effect non believers when all you can quote me is scripture regarding judgement day which only applies to believers. If judgement day is coming and you are all set then why not leave gays alone?
@yogabear1962 Judgement Day applies to believers and unbelievers. However, only those who have repented and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour will go to Heaven. You must be warned, that everyone else will spent eternity in Hell.
Just a quick question for you: How does homosexuality inhance society for the better?
@MrCairokid Still interesting that you wont answer my questions but here is one from you. Homosexuality in and of its self does not enhance or degrade society. However, discrimination against homosexuals does harm. One way is that when people are "forced" to conform to hetrosexual lifestyle and marry based on that they end up hurting others. Also, discrimination leads to violance against that group - *see WWII Natzi Germany and the Jewish population or europe.
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EVERYONE: dont ask, dont tell is NOT meant to demonize gays like the liberals claim. its meant to keep te chain of command working. if a unit found out there leader was gay many would lose the valuable respect for the person that would be needed to normaly run the unit. the law doesnt say you cant be gay and in the military it just says dont come out of the closet when your in the military. i dont get why thats so bad
M11ty 1 week ago
He is a supposed socialist, just like our ex one, mister Papandreou! the whole video is a theater!
kriton111 4 weeks ago
"ANYONE dumb enough to want to be in the military should be allowed in." - Bill Hicks
ghettosweep 4 months ago
@ghettosweep ya fighting for your freedom is really stupid.
M11ty 1 week ago
@M11ty I feel totally more free knowing brown people thousands of miles away that have no bearing on my life are being killed for my own personal freedom. I'm gonna go watch Full Metal Jacket and jerk off now.
ghettosweep 1 week ago
@ghettosweep god your hopeless
M11ty 1 week ago
@M11ty Yes, God is hopeless. But what does that have to do with my comment?
ghettosweep 1 week ago
@ghettosweep never mind -.-
M11ty 1 week ago
President Obama is the BRAVEST President. God Bless Him.
strela 4 months ago
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The Good, The Bad, and the UGLY on the repeal of DADT:
Good: The military will make effeminate gay men more masculine, which is a good thing. Hate crimes would plummet if gay men acted more Rock Hudson then Perez Hilton.
Bad: ironic that it was repealed by a bunch of libs who hate the military and wouldn't serve in a million years no matter if we had ten 9/11 attacks.
Ugly: people wanting to serve in the military but on their terms, not the military's. Whats next? doctors notes?
valglass12 5 months ago
All I can say is....its about time. We are of one people.
I was also wondering, why so many pens. Ive seen this before the President signing thing. Does any one know?
hkg02161954 5 months ago
Whatever happened to God ? The commandments ? It's not so much the gay thing as it is the Godless society thing. Now, I'll be standing by fo rthe "God loves gays too" rhetoric. Fact is, America as we knw it is finished, corporations unaccountable yet take our money, then dont hire, banker,wall street greed thugs getting away with way too much, tax base losing their shirts, political correctness and gay issues strangling a once great society. You will all pay later, I'll be standing by for that 2
tommyg524 5 months ago
Gays have always served in the military. I know many and am proud to serve with them. As long as they can perform their daily duties, who cares what they do in the privacy of their own home? They are people too and should not be treated like second class citizens. Let them serve with honor like that have done for centuries. They bleed and can die while supporting the very freedoms that give you the right to talk bad about them. How messed up is that? We as a nation are better than that!
bohicaone 5 months ago 4
Obama really didn't care about gay soldiers. He's such a pussie. A lame duck Congress made it happen when Obama wouldn't.
tenblowcakes 5 months ago
I am currently serving in the military in Iraq. Gays have always served in the military. I know many and am proud to serve with them. As long as they can perform their daily duties, who cares what they do in the privacy of their own home? They are people too and should not be treated like second class citizens. Let them serve with honor like that have been for centuries.
bohicaone 5 months ago
Dear @VeteranConservative
"Thank You"
Signed 45 year old Air force gulf war Veteran ...who is gay.
aquatania 5 months ago 3
@aquatania
Salute.
iRentallyMetarded 5 months ago
Lol Lol Lol Lol You are very observant!! I am cracking up over here because I am wondering the same thing!
s0ulsit3r 5 months ago
Off topic; but what's with American Presidents their pens?
Do they have to put down multiple signatures or don't any of them work?!
markWiechmann 5 months ago
@VeteranConservative At least gays don't go around telling straights to go die. Be thankful you haven't been treated like shit your whole life because you're straight. What if it was the other way around, how would you feel to be made fun of every day because of who you are? I don't think it would be that nice, do you? So shut up and let people be who they are, please.
PS It doesn't matter where you faught or how many wars you've been in, it's the fact that you are risking to be for your country
47218947891748974747 5 months ago
EQUALITY! EQUALITY!
bryanpeace121 7 months ago
I love this man now.
RainbowBabyForever 7 months ago
Obama's arrogant statements only make sense, he's never worn the uniform, he doesn't understand that openly gay leads to unprofessional ism and that there is a difference between traditional american society and the military. As a service member, you are not entitled to the same rights as a civilian. Therefore, yes, you can have a military of "don't ask don't tell" even though mainstream American society doesn't care. Its different for a reason...obama is an arrogant jackass.
Alexn1067 7 months ago
@Alexn1067 Once again. Same useless comments from a DADT supporter. In all militaries that have lifted gay bans, not one of them have reported noticeable effects on unit cohesion or morale. And even if the soldiers aren't entitled to the same rights, DADT was allowing gay soldiers to be harassed without being able to report it. Women are specifically targeted if they rejected the advances of straight males like yourself.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 you don't know what you are talking about either sir, or you've missed the point
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 Your point was that soldiers weren't treated the same as civilians. My point was that didn't justify the harassment gay soldiers faced under DADT. Your point was that was lifting gay bans caused unprofessionalism. My point was that none of the nations that have lifted have noticed any decreased effectiveness, cohesion, or morale. Don't believe me? Look up Is the Gay Ban Based on Military Necessity by Aaron Belkin. DADT was repealed for a reason.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 1st off I never defended harassment. I am against open Gayness in the ranks, that is unprofessional as open male-female relationships within the ranks.
Do you have a frame of reference, are you in any of the services?
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 I never said you defended harassment. I am just concerned that you either ignore it or deny that it exists. Many DADT proponents do the former. I am not in the service but I have seen the arguments from both sides, and the argument that openly gay soldiers will make it an unprofessional environment. Google, "DADT: is the gay ban based on military necessity by Aaron Belkin."
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 well I do have some experience in the service, so I fully understand the impact of such a policy. I don't care what other foreign military policy is, what works for them works for them. We're talking about the U.S. military. Under don't ask don't tell, gays were permitted to serve so long as they kept their extra-curricular activities out of the work place. The repeal of such a policy invites the opposite, and can only have negative outcomes....enough said.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Savior20061 what your talking about are people who were kicked out either honorably or dishonorably over the rumor of being gay or from someone else spilling the beans whom was told in confidence. On some of these accounts, transfers would have been suitable as opposed to discharge.
Such horror stories have more to do with bad judgment on behalf of superiors as opposed to the policy itself.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. Perhaps, except DADT policy discharged them regardless.
2. Perhaps, but it is still best that gay soldiers can report these things without being discharged.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 DADT policy clearly states that superiors may not investigate one's orientation without any cause other then direct behavior and no termination is not always necessary under the policy.
2. no gay soldiers should not be openly gay when in uniform or when conducting business on behalf of the military. (you won't understand unless you were to actually put on a uniform)
Alexn1067 6 months ago
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Savior20061 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. That didn't stop Joseph Rocha's superiors from doing just that.
2. Right, the often used "You don't understand why this useless law is in place because you aren't a soldier".
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 thats right you have no experience with the military to even begin to understand how this DADT policy works with it. Anything else?
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 Nothing, just the same disappointing conversation with a DADT supporter. There's nothing else.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 You're disappointed because I don't agree with you, and you haven't proven your point to be the correct one.
Likewise I could say the same, "sigh, just another disappointing conversation with someone who thinks they know it all"
my advice to you is to not add arrogance to ignorance (ignorance does not equate stupidity), thats a bad mix.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 Nope, I'm disappointed because from you i heard the same tired arguments. Have you read Aaron Belkin's article which I referred to twice already yet? I say once again, no country that has lifted military gay bans has noticed any significant effect on the effective of their military. I don't know everything, but in the case of DADT the facts lay on our side, which was why it was repealed.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 I've read all the same stuff you did. Dude, theres a big difference between researching a topic for a college paper and having first hand experience
The countries that have lifted bans on open gayness in the ranks have far more issues then order and professionalism. Yes we make the same arguments because they are the right ones. As much as you are tired of hearing 2 plus 2 equals 4, its still true
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 More like insisting 2+2=fish. It's a great move, because gay soldiers can no longer be harassed and unable to tell their superiors, and the military won't have to waste taxpayer money training and arming people that will be discharged for what amounts to no reason at all. And the same people whining about how this means the destruction of the military will still be saying the same thing 30 years later after nothing has changed.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 oh you've got it all figured out huh? You've read some articles or maybe even written a research paper about it. Whats funny is in reading your interpretation of DADT, it was clear that there were holes in your understanding. You live on fantasy land
and why do you keep insisting that gay soldiers are somehow harassed to the extent as some epidemic? I guess you'd support open relationships between soldiers in the same unit too huh?
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. Holes in my understanding? In every argument I've ever been in on this subject, the proponent has made some stupid analogy about men showering with women, or saying that openly gay soldiers would compromise military effectiveness, which hasn't been substantiated at all.
2. "I guess you'd support open relationships between soldiers in the same unit too huh?"
It was only a matter of time before you got to the idiotic assumptions. Notice how I never accused you of hating gay people?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 you have false ideas or incomplete understanding of DADT.
I brought up point 2 because openly gay soldiers pose the same issues associated with male and female service members.
Leftists such as yourself would like to think that DADT is somehow a discriminating policy and that all straight soldiers are homophobes. when in fact it isn't. Under DADT gay soldiers can serve
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067
"DADT is somehow a discriminating policy"
Hmmm....I guess this is eye-opening. At first I guess I had the impression you considered DADT a practical, necessary evil and that that gay discrimination was minimal. But don't think it discriminates against gay people at all? A straight soldier could talk about all the stupid broads he fucked with his mates and no one would say anything. A gay soldier could talk about his a vacation with his husband and get discharged. This is fair?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 its not about what is fair, that is what you don't fucking understand. I challenge you to eat a piece of humble pie and understand that the standards that apply to your life as a civilian do not apply to your would-be-life in the military. In the service, you are not entitled to the same rights as you would as a civilian, this applies to more then just being gay or straight
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 So it's okay to treat them essentially like garbage, and discharge them for a completely unjustified reason because it's the military?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 yeah thats right, its okay..because everyone is treated like garbage in the military...haha see this is where your ignorance really shows.
This ain't the UAW you're talking about, this is an organization that asks its member to possibly lay their lives down
Alexn1067 6 months ago
Respond to this video... 1. "Leftists" Your condescending labels don't faze me.
2. "that all straight soldiers are homophobes."
Nope. Many are though. And the ones that are support DADT. Once you get past the poor analogies, and unsubstantiated fearmongering about straights quitting the service in mass droves and gays molesting straights in the shower, you are left with a person who simply either doesn't like gay people or just doesn't fucking care.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 hahaha lets not pretend like you haven't tried to label me either okay....don't go there buddy
you don't know most soldiers, as we pointed out, you're not, never have been, and probably never will get any exposure to the military. So don't hypothesize or draw conclusions about the mindset of our service members...unless you want to look like a moron.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. What have I labeled you as?
2. "So don't hypothesize or draw conclusions about the mindset of our service members".
I didn't. I just think that most of the ones supporting DADT simply don't like homosexuals. It doesn't necessarily means they dislike them to the point of hatred. Take a poll of the two fences and ask the people what they think about the queers. I guarantee that DADT supporters will be more likely to say they don't like homosexuals for whatever reason.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 thats a dubious assumption, I am a DADT supporter, I have nothing against gays and I couldn't give a shit either
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 That's not an assumption. I said supporters would be MORE likely to dislike them. I didn't say that all of them necessarily would. You say you don't, but in the same breath you imply DADT isn't a discriminating policy. You have the nerve to call me ignorant after THAT little display? You have the nerve to call me ignorant after calling me a leftist who thinks all straights soldiers are homophobes, and that I would support open relationships within the military?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 and tell me, what is the value in a soldier telling his CO about his personal sex life? What is the value in them knowing about the sexual orientation of their subordinates? If anything it sounds like a distraction in a "in your face" sort of way.
under DADT its nobody's business to know and its nobody's business to tell. These "harassment" stories are examples where people deviated from the policy by either "telling" or "asking"
know your song well before you sing it
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. What the hell? You didn't get the point at all. Gay soldiers aren't going to be telling a CO every aspect of their sex life. DADT was repealed so that if they were being harassed for being gay, they could tell someone.
2. "Harassment" in quotes like it doesn't exist. Beautiful. Yet another person blissfully ignorant of the problem. You seriously think people don't ask questions? You don't think anyone ever asked a gay guy why he didn't have a wife or a girlfriend back home?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 I think most people don't really give a shit to ask in the first place, so long as said person doesn't draw attention to it.
who's making all the assumptions here? You're whole argument is based on such assumptions. Like I said, you have no real frame of reference. Military society is different from civilian society, this is why you are unable to understand.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Alexn1067 1. That's an assumption right there.
2. No it isn't. Gay people were harassed. That was a fact. They couldn't report the incident thanks to DADT. What's so hard to understand about that?
3. Saying "it's different" and "you don't understand" is not a justification for unethical treatment, but merely an excuse. So a scientific journal article is not a frame of reference? Interesting...
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 yeah all you hear about are the ones that were harassed, what about all the gays that served with no problems? Your view is skewed and biased
a scientific journal is useful for a research paper, but in no way does it trump real experience
and I brought up the point that you don't understand because YOU DON'T. I DO, I have learned that there is quite a difference between military and civilian life, in the military you don't have the same rights you otherwise would as a civilian.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Oh yes it does. Real world experience can be enlightening as far as emotions and understanding go, but your experience is not the same as everyone else's. A journal gives you some numbers to crunch, and the numbers come out on our side.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 myself calling you out on not knowing the game is not the same as trying to justify any wrongdoing.....thats simply nonsense.
as a civilian you look at it from a rights standpoint, from a a military perspective, its mission oriented, objective oriented, where service members are expendable to an extent...thats right, you don't understand
Alexn1067 6 months ago
Respond to this video... And what about the women Alex? What about the practice of "lesbian-baiting", where women that reject the advances of male colleagues are then said to be lesbians? Does that also not exist?
Savior20061 6 months ago
@Savior20061 I don't know where you get your info, but I've never seen any of it. Its seems to me as though you have some pre-conceived and exaggerated notion about what is going on
Alexn1067 6 months ago
@Savior20061 the ban was lifted because it sought to get a feel good knee jerk reaction out of so called "progressives" which is what Obama has tried so desperately to aspire his image to. The fact is, its a bad move just like numerous others under Obama.
As I said, this leaves for nothing but bad results. How bad, we'll have to see starting in September.
Alexn1067 6 months ago
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You can thank America's open homosexual gay community. When a man rapes a boy, gay men say that he, the man, is not homosexual. He raped a boy, he is a homosexual and a pedophile.
MsPamAnn 7 months ago
@VeteranConservative I served four years in the U.S. Marine Corps as an 0311 and I am gay. So from one veteran to another, shut the f*ck up.
23guitarhero 8 months ago 31
@23guitarhero There's no way VetCon is a vet. All the vets I've met would've made some coherent argument against the policy instead of foaming at the mouth about killing "fags".
Savior20061 6 months ago
@23guitarhero
Wow gay rage. Oh no. Go suck a dick and stick it up your ass literally whenever you get angry then. These are surely your gay instincts whenever everything goes wrong and they must calm you the fuck down.
SeventhSun 3 months ago
@SeventhSun Wow, fuck you man.
BlackOut0189 1 month ago
I cannot wait to vote Obama's "rear end" out of office. Black people around the world are ashamed of him.
With all of the problems that America has...unemployment, crime, lack of funds for education, hunger, homelessness, lack of healthcare for millions of Americans, wars (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan,etc.), he decides to support the mentally ill gay people. If anything, he should be trying to create a "Department of Mental Health for Gays and Lesbians", in order to cure our sick gay people.
MsPamAnn 8 months ago
@VeteranConservative
Very mature, you see how I made a point and you say you f'd my mother. Great way to win an argument
iRentallyMetarded 8 months ago
@VeteranConservative
Homosexuals join the army and fight for their country despite all homophobes telling them to eat shit and die, homosexuals die for our country, they die so that you can have the freedom to say such terrible things about them. I hope you rot in hell.
iRentallyMetarded 8 months ago 24
@iRentallyMetarded ok nice comment but the last sentence was unnecessary and contradictory.
MrDetwaa 7 months ago
@iRentallyMetarded Vet Conservative is just an idiot and a troll.
Savior20061 6 months ago
@iRentallyMetarded apparently you dont believe in hell if you believe that gays need rights. fuck you.
Blitzwing989 5 months ago
@iRentallyMetarded
More straight people join the army and fight for their country too. Please don't magnify the minority group that you only happen to belong to.
Your types should really eat shit and die.
SeventhSun 3 months ago
@SeventhSun
Why should we die? Because we don't hurt anybody? Because we simply want happiness? Because even with dehumanising monsters like you around wishing death upon us we still do not wish death unto you? Because we understand right and wrong better than you? Or could it simply be that without following your precious 2,000 year old text book, all meaning in your life disintegrates? So, you cling with your hands as wroten as the pages of the book to which you so desperately cleave.
FreekinEkin2 1 month ago
@VeteranConservative
Take some pills old man AND SHUT THE HELL UP.
iRentallyMetarded 8 months ago
@VeteranConservative
You're a piece of shit. End of explanation.
KinkyOohlalaa 8 months ago 2
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themaniusedtob 8 months ago
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themaniusedtob 8 months ago
@VeteranConservative
Why do we need a bunch of prejudiced pricks in our army? Can somebody explain that?
PdPdrums25 9 months ago
@VeteranConservative so you can get a job now.
primeyuri 10 months ago 5
Gay or straight if you want to stand shoulder to shoulder with me and fight, by all means.
MegaDefuse 10 months ago
In 1948, when the military was racially integrated the vast majority of white troops were against it because they "refused to serve with niggers" for some bullshit religious or personal reasons and threatened to leave the military. Somehow they got over it. In 1976 when the military was gender integrated, a lot of male troops claimed they would refuse to serve with women and leave the military. Somehow they got over it too since our military is still here and intact with blacks and women in it.
Scotty7617 11 months ago 4
@VeteranConservative Thanks Marine! This whole repeal is a mess and the liberals have a crazy agenda and they have no reality! DADT was a compromise, nobody was happy with when it went into effect. Before that, gays were not allowed at all, but DADT gave them the ability to serve as long as they didn't flaunt their homosexuality. This community won't ever shut up! They'll always be asking for everything and more. It won't last because of the majority in the service like you and I.
boatstaylor 1 year ago
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Impeach Antichrist Obama Now !
Obama is a closet case homosexual whosleeps with white men.Obama is an abomination unto God Almighty !
The military is now little more than one big gay whorehouse !
The military is now Cursed by God !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
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@montsyblackmadonna , you lie for the devil, SKANK.
Andy1000K 1 year ago
Our country could be so great!
We are too a nation that says "don't ask, don't tell"... If we were an open nation Julian Assange would be free and allowed to be an independent journalist to expose evil in our country and the entire world.
Why soooo much control? Because of terrorists? NO! Because of corrupt government.. Evil is in our world and in those with the power...
laurajdahl 1 year ago
Christ exists. The muslims and the jews know it. Christ's arrival was predicted several times in the old testament. Even the muslims worship the God of Israel.
DADT needs to come back for real, if the US is going to get any respect. Right after DADT repeal, north Korea and pakistan started their crap. Hobama is being tested for his weakness again! We really dont need this crap right now with the recession and all!
90sRapForeverChannel 1 year ago
@90sRapForeverChannel Stupid. Muslims do not worship 'God of Israel'. Since when did one race claim they own 'God'?
And what DADT repeal has got to do with North Korea and Pakistan? btw, what is wrong with Pakistan, did they do something? as far as I know, the government is US ally to combat taliban.
Go watch palin ok?
kububeach 1 year ago
@90sRapForeverChannel
i get it you dont want america to be morally screwed like france and canada, you want the US to have sound moral standings like south korea and iran.
the only respect america will get from not repealing dadt is from countries that do not allow gays in the military. countries like belize, cuba, uganda, north korea, and saudi arabia. at least they will like us.
AceofDiamonds0 1 year ago
@90sRapForeverChannel
Explain the relationship to the recession? Also, the following countries allow gays to serve openly:Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay. God didnt end their civilizations. Some that dont:Egypt,Fiji,Ghana,Iran,Nigeria,North Korea,Zimbabwe,Uganda See a trend?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 You said: "am i just supposed to believe you just because i can't prove that [Christ] doesn't exist?" The answer is "no". Don't take my word for it. You must read the Holy Bible for yourself. Start with the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Matthew 7:7-8 reads:
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 Can you prove that there isn't a Jesus Christ?
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 You make it sound like homosexuals have been persecuted. It is in no way similar to being persecuted for being black or a woman etc. Homosexuals have chosen a perverted lifestyle, and expect special government benefits. Who says they have the right to have "fun"? Would you consider contacting/spreading AIDS fun? I stand by my previous comment: They can keep it in the closet, or choose the better choice: to come to Christ in repentance.
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MrCairokid 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 Why are you so intolerant to my opinion? Why do homosexuals feel they have the "right" to flaunt their sin? They can keep it in the closet, or choose the better choice: to come to Christ in repentance.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@mba2000du Your god is evil. It promotes infanticide, slavery, murder, all sorts of bad stuff.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 What does "putting it in the butt" have to do with being gay? Lesbians dont / cant do that and a lot of straight couples engage in that act. So, explain what you are talking about here.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
I wish it was over, but read the bill, nothing was repealed, just more lies from the president yet again. /watch?v=0kC80c7SwDk
MrXstacey 1 year ago
i literally got goosebumps
sonyaroxxx 1 year ago
this is totally unrelated, but why does he go through so many pens while signing bills?
i'm so proud that DADT is over, i really am.
BatOtaku13 1 year ago
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
hugecocknballs 1 year ago
@hugecocknballs To be honest I dont think that most people think it through that far. But they do have a sense that they will lose purpose if they stop hating.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
if the founders of this great country knew this they would puke....utterly pathetic...no matter what kind of freaky shit you do in the bedroom has NO business being discussed. utterly pathetic!!! This will get repealed when the Republicans take over.
xerakis 1 year ago
@xerakis I didnt know this would allow public sex for gays, wow that is quite liberal.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@xerakis You will need to rewrite the history in order for that to be true. Oh unless you are from texas where they did just that. Your lies and intimidation will ultimately lose because you have no proof that the repeal of dadt is harmful to anyone. All I read is god this and god that and not once has anyone said the actual harm gays do to society. If you want to life your life according that hateful bibie do so but dont impose that work of fiction on me!
yogabear1962 1 year ago
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@YOSHY343 John 14:6 states: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. He is the only one who can change a person's life for the better. No one is born a homosexual, but it is a chosen lifestyle. Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population, so why do they have so much say in what society accepts?
MrCairokid 1 year ago
So many pens!
RobertBorden121 1 year ago
This DADT move is a positive change and it will make America stronger. It's not about sex
jdcinsf 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 dude im not gay, my friend is and all my wing knows that and its fine cuz he acts like normal person and doesnt do what gay people do, now he can do w/e he wants which is bad for us, the law says clearly not to say you gay, and there are alot of gay people in the corp that have friend who know they gay and they dont tell about it because they are friends but now its terrible, Obama did lots of good stuff for this country and now he fucked it, thanks alot president
hazemvirus 1 year ago
The Repeal of DADT,just proves what we have been saying all along,the democrats and jews,Worship the Rectum.but...God Shall not be Mocked.This sodomite damned nation,shall have to endure the full magnitude of the Wrath of Almighty God !
Vote Bible !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna VOTE u r ignorant and blind! God is a about LOVE not trying to judge,if anyone enters hell its gonna be u!!!!! Ppl r created in his eyes,no one is a mistake,thats why he dies for everyone sins regardless!!!! Idiot ugh!!!!
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable Political Correctness-Zionist Government Mindcontrol says,you can't critique,judge,or analyze.Well I am a free thinking,critical thinking individual who uses the brain God gave me.And you can't shut me up.
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna exactly,thats YOUR oppinion,u however DON NOT SPEAK FOR GOD,u CANNO JUDGE....so your shitty ass remarks dont matter u dumb bitch! <3
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable Excuse me,but God speaks for God.It is written in the Holy Bible.God put a standard upon the Land,and expects you to follow it.God is not a Liar ! Are you calling God a liar,pray tell???
God said,"homosexuality is an abomination,and is worthy of death". Praise God,Praise the Lord.
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna okay so if "god" didn't want homosexuality he wouldn't have created someone that is!! and if there really is a "god" he could change it with a snap of his fingers!! but he doesn't... he doesn't do anything!! if there really is a "god" he could help out his creation!! and not just sit back and watch people get raped, murdered, and hurt everyday!! but no he just sits there and watches all the serial killers and rape and every other bad person out there doing all this bad shit!
Gaby123t 1 year ago
@Gaby123t God never made a gay,they chose to follow the Rectum over God Almighty !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna people that are gay do not chose to be gay!! they are born that way! idiot! don't judge people till you know them! gay people are the same as you and me and everyone else! anyhow its really isn't any of your business what they do with their love life..they don't judge you on yours so don't judge them!
Gaby123t 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna U r fuckin ignorant haha!
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna God is a concept created by man to control men in the here and now. If you belive the bible you must also believe this:If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. Deuteronomy 7:1-2 Shall we start collecting stones to kill our kids?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable I dont speak for god, that is a lie. I speak the truth of Elvis!
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Oh please, I am 99% sure there is no god but in the event I am wrong I am 100% sure it doesnt give a fuck about us one way or another.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 The F word is a sin.Repent and Obey God and Hush Up !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Which god would that be? There are so many to choose from...
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Which god would you have me to obey?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
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@yogabear1962 The F word is a sin !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
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@yogabear1962
"Oh please, I am 99% sure there is no god but in the event I am wrong I am 100% sure it doesnt give a fuck about us one way or another."
Only the force, there is. Yes, hmmm.
InterntzTrollerinz 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Jesus worshs the rectum. Interesting, you are aware, of course that Jesus is a Jew. The bible clearly states that the jews are gods chosen people. looks like the bolt of lightening is headed your way.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
Imoeach Obama Now !
Obama is a closet case homosexual who sleeps with white men.Obama is an abomination unto God Almighty !
The Military is now little more than one big gay whorehouse !
The military is now Cursed by God !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna ...uh, wtf?
rjamonanthony 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Did this law promote gay prostitution in the military? Interesting, I didnt see anything in there about that?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 The satanic repeal of DADT,will lead to every manner of perverse abominations unto God.Gays should be arrested,they should not serve and protect,because all they do is Pervert and Infect.
Have a nice day !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
@montsyblackmadonna Exactly what do people do because they happen to be gay that is bad? Why should gays be arrested? They already serve and protect. I wish you would explain why you think this way.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 , she doesn't think, she only repeats what was physically beat into her by "people" like Fred Phelps since childhood.
Andy1000K 1 year ago
@Andy1000K The one reason I fear the republican party is there very effective ability to distroy our educational system which is what creates this sort of ignorance that we read on this page. Of course that is why no one on this page that is agains the repeal can actually articulate a reason. They just use fear and decete. Thanks for your astute observation.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@skyGazor I pray to God. I do not consider myself a christian, but I believe in a higher power. I feel that mainstream organized religion uses it's holy books to back up bigotry and hate. I believe in tolerance and acceptance.
KariD18 1 year ago
@mba2000du fuck you heterosexual.
LordKaisen 1 year ago
@LordKaisen Now now, nothing about being hetrosexual makes mba200du bad. Being a bigot and a delusional lier - now that is what makes him bad ...
yogabear1962 1 year ago
The next law we need to pass is a law that requires churches that preach hate, to PAY THEIR OWN TAXES. I'm tired of subsidizing the churches that teach their followers to hate.
Those churches take MONEY in the form of tax subsidies from gays and lesbians, but then they use that money to fund their preaching of hate against us.
Can't wait for them to either stop the hate, or lose their tax-free status.
kf1000 1 year ago
@YOSHY343 well, you need to change that too! oh, it's "they're" & not "their" you little queer.
markm856 1 year ago
MrCairokid this has NOTHING to do with jesus .... there was a cave you crawled out of...I suggest to go crawl back into it!!!!!
Go OBAMA .... WE THANK YOU ALL THE WAY FROM AUSTRALIA :)
vinorosso67 1 year ago
@vinorosso67 Sodomites REPENT!
pastorg22 1 year ago
@vinorosso67 This has everything to do with my sinless Saviour Jesus Christ, who is Lord of lords and King of kings. Christ has already condemned homosexuality, so I'm just agreeing with Him. On Judgement Day every single person will stand before Christ, and not Obama the sinner.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid In the mean time we can have losts of fun with our slaves:Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Yea god is totally about piece and love!
yogabear1962 1 year ago
Be warned: this "ceremony" is really about fools marching to win the right to justify sin, condemned by Jesus Christ and His Holy Word. He will not be mocked.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid Read your buy bull, man. Jesus never says anything about, "men who lie with men". It is St Paul in his letter to the Romans. Quit cherry picking to justify your willful ignorance. Emotional blackmail does not work on us anymore, but it apparently does on you. Jesus/God is mocked by the likes of you and other "christians". It's a hallmark of "christian" behavior to condemn acts that they themselves perpetrate.
richwfd2002 1 year ago
@richwfd2002 Jesus Christ is God. 1 Timothy 3:16-17 states: All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@richwfd2002 So, what you're saying is that it's true because it says it's true. Well, I guess I should believe the Quran or Harry Potter, for that matter. Sorry, but emotional attachment and wishful thinking does not make belief true. With all the inconsistencies and hearsay in the buybull, it is clearly wishful thinking and willful ignorance on the part of "christians" to claim such certainty, and since you lied in the original post, I will not respond again.
richwfd2002 1 year ago
@MrCairokid First, why should I or anyone else conform to your notion of sin? Second I should think that if this god of yours existed he would have taken care of this long ago. Are you able to tell me exactly when he will take revenge for this "mocking" that is happening? Does this mean he will also take revenge on all people who believe but not in him? Just curious...
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 You must read the Holy Bible for yourself. Start with the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid I have read that hatful book. Your god promotes all sorts of evil and vile things. No matter you hate everything. I mean really have you ever actually taken a look at the real purpose of that document. It is to give men power over the here and how and has nothing to do with the ever after let alone with morality. Go ahead and read it, then you can get back to me, and Im nicer than your god and will accept an apology.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 God came to earth in the form of a man named Jesus Christ. He died on the cross for our sins, to give us abundant and eternal life. That is the Gospel or Good News!
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid And again I ask. How is it that gays serving openly in the military is a bad thing. Not one of your comments have any facts. Quoting the bible is irrilivant. What is the real issue, How is it bad? Being gay may be a sin to you but there are sinners doing all manor of stuff all around you and in the military. Why is this sin so special? So lets say you can kill all the fags, who are they coming for next I hope it isnt one of the sins you are guilty of... Get real
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 The Bible is true, whether you like it or not. It tells us that we are all sinners and worthy of Hell and eternal death. I am worthy of Hell and eternal death. I am not better than anyone else, but I am not afraid to face death. Because I have accepted the fact that Christ died for me on the cross, I am a sinner saved by grace, headed for Heaven. This offer is open to everyone who will accept Christ as their Saviour and Lord.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid This is an offer I reject because the teachings of the bible are evil and fictionary. But again you do not ever elaborate on exactly what is wrong with gays serving openly in the military like they do in civilian life? What is the difference between that "sin" and others that I am sure even you are guilty of? Just trying to understand.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 I'm sorry to hear that you reject the life-giving solution to all the is wrong with the world: giving your heart and life to Jesus Christ. Hebrews11:6 states: "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." I stand on the Word of God for my opinions. What do you stand upon? You see, God has already condemned homosexuality, and I'm just agreeing with Him.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid I understand what you believe. How do you determine which sins to go after so vigerously. There are only 2%-10% of people that are gay. 50% of mariages end in devorce.Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. So why can divorced people serve in the military? There are so many more of them.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 You say that you have read the Bible. Perhaps, you missed Hebrews 9:27 which states: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this the judgement,". We will ALL face God's judgement for our earthly sins, after we die. We might have sinned through: gossiping, lying, stealing, living a homosexual lifestyle, getting divorced... It really makes no difference, because all sins are equal. If we repent, and ask Christ to forgive our sins, He helps us to live holy lives.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid What I want to know is why you go after gays with vengence and yet make no effort to make devorce illegal, or wearing clothes made from two different materials, I could go on and on. I understand, because I have read the bible, that all sin to this fictional god is bad but if that is so why are you christians so inconsitant with living within gods will and descriminating against others? Your all up in arms about gays serving but NOTHING about kicking out those who devorce. WHY?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 I can see we are going in circles, so we will have to agree to disagree.
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid Yes because you wont answer any of my questions. I never intended to change your mind all I want is to understand why you attack gays with such vigor and do not do the same to other people who according to your fictional beliefs are also committing sin. You are prepared to enact laws that effect non believers when all you can quote me is scripture regarding judgement day which only applies to believers. If judgement day is coming and you are all set then why not leave gays alone?
yogabear1962 1 year ago
@yogabear1962 Judgement Day applies to believers and unbelievers. However, only those who have repented and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour will go to Heaven. You must be warned, that everyone else will spent eternity in Hell.
Just a quick question for you: How does homosexuality inhance society for the better?
MrCairokid 1 year ago
@MrCairokid Still interesting that you wont answer my questions but here is one from you. Homosexuality in and of its self does not enhance or degrade society. However, discrimination against homosexuals does harm. One way is that when people are "forced" to conform to hetrosexual lifestyle and marry based on that they end up hurting others. Also, discrimination leads to violance against that group - *see WWII Natzi Germany and the Jewish population or europe.
yogabear1962 1 year ago
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boatstaylor 1 year ago