The Atari 800 is the TRUE predecessor of the Amiga, NOT the C64, as Jay Miner developed both machines.
There's no fucking reason why the Atari could not pull off a version of "Desert Dream", if the same principles are in use by Jay the Genius when he created them.
This is sooo increadible! Cosider i have programmed in assembler for alot of years i can't even in my wildest fantasies imagin how they did this. Big credit to the smartest programmers ever for achieveing this.
PCs are RAM and hard drive hogs. Something like a mouse driver takes up more RAM than old machines even had available. Old school computers knew how to do things efficiently...
Yeah, and the old coders aswell... :) There are some efiicient stuffs still nowadays, but the new coders haven't the ability to code anything with only kbytes of ram.... those fuckn bastards ;)
Yeah that's right, but don't forget today's RAM and CPU hogs have their advantages, too. It's now easier and more intuitive to program them and code can easier run on multiple platforms. In the C64, Amiga and Atari times you only had to program for one particular chipset which was well known. It was not uncommon that a game/demo only ran on exactly 1 or 2 configurations of computer.
Think of the many Amiga games programmed to efficiently use the A500's hardware, where often undocumented tricks and chipset bugs were used to achieve that little extra speedup/effect. They then didn't run correctly on the A1200 or even if you upgraded your OS in your A500 from V1.3 to V2.0. So I nowadays prefer the "hogs" and can be relatively sure they will still run on my new computer.
Thats the great thing about demos on lower end machines. The coders prove the impossible IS possible. By cheating big-style, also without these "tricks" game coders (of quite a few I know) wouldn't be able to do some of the effects they tried for years to do in real-time withou cheating..
well, let's be honest without the disc gradually loading, it wouldn't be the same, BUT the fact that people found out that the machine can be tricked and play something while loading is incredible and that changed the whole demo scene forever!
Impressive achievement, make no mistake. I enjoy it when programmers test their mettle by pushing a system to it's absolute limits, which was no doubt what had to be done to downscale the Desert Dream while keeping it entertaining.
The only recent example I can think of that is similar would be the XBMC project for the XBOX. The damn thing can just about decode H.264 videos with a mere 733mhz Celeron and 64mb of RAM! How's that for getting the most out of such a simple machine?
Heh. I've seen the original Amiga one a hundred times and I still wonder what that was. My hunch was that it was buried somewhere in the non-standard bootblock, or better still you'd have to figure out how to mount the custom disk format to find an info file.
Perhaps someone more code savvy could reveal if there WAS a secret, or if it was just a tease created by Laxity!
I thought the original demo was awesome, its all the more impressive that it has been squeezed onto a C64... Its amazing what you can actually do on these 8-bit machines. Now do it on a Vic-20!!!
Very impressive and creative!! The idea of making a remake of a sensational demo on the Amiga on the older and more primitive Commodore 64!! Nice job, especially the Vector, "bitmap" zoom and zoomrotator!!
sure the amiga version was better, but doing this on c64 is 10x harder than on an amiga, and thats the point: showing that it can be done. when the amiga version of this came out, this demo for the c64 was tought i m p o s s i b l e.
never make the mistake of believing the 'limit' has been reached on the c64. Ive heard it at least a dozen times since 1990 and every time someone has soon smashed the limit.....
You wouldn't be able to efficiently calculate 3D the same way you can with today's machines. That's why shortcuts were employed. In fact, no "3D" calc might even be taking place at that time :) Optical illusions FTW!
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Nah cv643d, Amiga sucks sorry, C64 is the original and the best. Wanna know why the Amiga has the same name as the Spanish word for 'girlfriend'? Because if you own the former, you probably need the latter. XD
Amazing little machine that still impresses after all these years. Next time a ZX fan starts their nonsense, shove this demo under their nose and watch them weep.
Laxity for president, but Fanta should be his vice president! ;D
dahDougieBoy 7 months ago
Long Live the 64!
TimePilot2084 8 months ago
awesome I would like to jerk off!
fireballgfx 8 months ago
The Atari 800 is the TRUE predecessor of the Amiga, NOT the C64, as Jay Miner developed both machines.
There's no fucking reason why the Atari could not pull off a version of "Desert Dream", if the same principles are in use by Jay the Genius when he created them.
Foebane72 9 months ago
i love the track!:) c64 had an awesome sound chip!
thorgallpl 1 year ago 2
looking at the vectors reminded me very much of Tubular bells..Hard to come by these days...
TheRusskinruss 2 years ago
This is sooo increadible! Cosider i have programmed in assembler for alot of years i can't even in my wildest fantasies imagin how they did this. Big credit to the smartest programmers ever for achieveing this.
skipper7302 2 years ago
WOW thats amazing! I wish more of these demo effects had made it onto games.
rayzinnz 2 years ago 3
A C64 version of this demo ...... holy carp, it's AWESOME, these coders are doing the impossible !
bpb235 2 years ago 11
PCs are RAM and hard drive hogs. Something like a mouse driver takes up more RAM than old machines even had available. Old school computers knew how to do things efficiently...
MazeleyFanClub 2 years ago 4
Yeah, and the old coders aswell... :) There are some efiicient stuffs still nowadays, but the new coders haven't the ability to code anything with only kbytes of ram.... those fuckn bastards ;)
MaverickM1 2 years ago
Yeah that's right, but don't forget today's RAM and CPU hogs have their advantages, too. It's now easier and more intuitive to program them and code can easier run on multiple platforms. In the C64, Amiga and Atari times you only had to program for one particular chipset which was well known. It was not uncommon that a game/demo only ran on exactly 1 or 2 configurations of computer.
KyaputenHarokku 2 years ago
Think of the many Amiga games programmed to efficiently use the A500's hardware, where often undocumented tricks and chipset bugs were used to achieve that little extra speedup/effect. They then didn't run correctly on the A1200 or even if you upgraded your OS in your A500 from V1.3 to V2.0. So I nowadays prefer the "hogs" and can be relatively sure they will still run on my new computer.
KyaputenHarokku 2 years ago
Thats the great thing about demos on lower end machines. The coders prove the impossible IS possible. By cheating big-style, also without these "tricks" game coders (of quite a few I know) wouldn't be able to do some of the effects they tried for years to do in real-time withou cheating..
BodSTAX 2 years ago
Insane this is possible on a machine with only 64Kb of memory....
Snowwie888 2 years ago
well, let's be honest without the disc gradually loading, it wouldn't be the same, BUT the fact that people found out that the machine can be tricked and play something while loading is incredible and that changed the whole demo scene forever!
syncrow76 2 years ago
yes, music is better than amiga one
plexafci 3 years ago
Super.
arkadiuszweiss 3 years ago
HOLY shit.... absolutely brilliant
martinheijgelaar 3 years ago
Impressive achievement, make no mistake. I enjoy it when programmers test their mettle by pushing a system to it's absolute limits, which was no doubt what had to be done to downscale the Desert Dream while keeping it entertaining.
The only recent example I can think of that is similar would be the XBMC project for the XBOX. The damn thing can just about decode H.264 videos with a mere 733mhz Celeron and 64mb of RAM! How's that for getting the most out of such a simple machine?
jagfan84 3 years ago
man, whats the secret part?
xxbubu 3 years ago
Heh. I've seen the original Amiga one a hundred times and I still wonder what that was. My hunch was that it was buried somewhere in the non-standard bootblock, or better still you'd have to figure out how to mount the custom disk format to find an info file.
Perhaps someone more code savvy could reveal if there WAS a secret, or if it was just a tease created by Laxity!
jagfan84 3 years ago
For the first time in ages, my jaw dropped open when I saw this.
wadehjb 3 years ago
I thought the original demo was awesome, its all the more impressive that it has been squeezed onto a C64... Its amazing what you can actually do on these 8-bit machines. Now do it on a Vic-20!!!
leesnj 3 years ago
They didn't have any stars when they did the colorbar filled box - lame or what????
nnly kiddin - loved it - particularly the big balls
gerbilroo 3 years ago
wow.
mdcp0yewtewb 3 years ago
incredible:-)
thorgallpl 3 years ago
f***! amazing bass!
torturebr 3 years ago 2
SID chipsets ownz ^^
Frenzouille 2 years ago 4
"now lets remove the stars so we can add something interesting" lol quality, this demo is more entertaining than the original :)
Amazing remake.
HarpO0n 3 years ago
That.....was.....AMAZING!!!! I didn't know the C64 could do ANY of that!
knuxthefox 3 years ago
Very impressive and creative!! The idea of making a remake of a sensational demo on the Amiga on the older and more primitive Commodore 64!! Nice job, especially the Vector, "bitmap" zoom and zoomrotator!!
BitPusher321 4 years ago 2
WTF!Mode 7,pre snes!!!
ddsdavey 4 years ago
Flippin'eck. If this running in real-time, it's amazing.
BurtWilson1 4 years ago
The C64, the little hobbit that could...and did...
jci10 4 years ago 4
Honestly I like the c64 more than the Amiga version, this is amazing!!
markoseppanen1975 4 years ago
Great stuff!! 5/5!
MaxxLegend 4 years ago
can't compare amiga with c64... seriously...
torturebr 4 years ago
it's not a comparison -.-
Thor82 4 years ago 2
I was talking about a past comment who say that c64 scene is pathetic, i'm not blaming, and yes defending it.
torturebr 4 years ago 3
oh, then i think you're right, i didn't read other pages comments
Thor82 4 years ago
You're OWNED X-D
the comparison must be done with the C64 3D games like 3DPool.
Obvious that the Amiga version was better.
Outlander999 4 years ago
sure the amiga version was better, but doing this on c64 is 10x harder than on an amiga, and thats the point: showing that it can be done. when the amiga version of this came out, this demo for the c64 was tought i m p o s s i b l e.
waskoma 4 years ago 3
never make the mistake of believing the 'limit' has been reached on the c64. Ive heard it at least a dozen times since 1990 and every time someone has soon smashed the limit.....
linuxpenguin73 4 years ago 4
I've got to say - I had no idea. AMAZING. I love the original but this is way beyond what I thought a humble C64 could accomplish.
x- a Spectrum fan! -x
gperch 4 years ago 5
How that thing at 0.38 is made :o. Looks just like 3D but it's not possible with c64.
crocz 4 years ago
You wouldn't be able to efficiently calculate 3D the same way you can with today's machines. That's why shortcuts were employed. In fact, no "3D" calc might even be taking place at that time :) Optical illusions FTW!
saxxonpike 3 years ago
every one coder know that. but all things you see around are "optical ilusions"
plexafci 3 years ago
wow, great!! thank you so much...
yucelbilik 4 years ago
They proved it only, how it is possible to bring the maximum out from the machine.
This it what does not want to be done already on the today's machines
and we buy a couple of unnecessary components rather yet.
creattine 4 years ago
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Nah cv643d, Amiga sucks sorry, C64 is the original and the best. Wanna know why the Amiga has the same name as the Spanish word for 'girlfriend'? Because if you own the former, you probably need the latter. XD
halidefox 4 years ago
Jaw dropping...
Amazing little machine that still impresses after all these years. Next time a ZX fan starts their nonsense, shove this demo under their nose and watch them weep.
Gerardus1970 4 years ago 8
Absolutely stunning! I remember how impressed I was when this demo came to the Amiga - and now a C-64 can do it.
\oo/ Rock on! Nicely done! \oo/
Inomhus 4 years ago 2
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Amiga scene crushes pathetic C64 cloners any day!
cv643d 4 years ago
this is true magical c64 assembler coding.
awesome copy of the amiga original demo by laxity/kefrens.
konsumer 4 years ago 3