anyone know who the person hanging at the end there is supposed to be.... PS: Gawn I hated this ending!! It's so damn creepy!! I wasnt fussy on some of the others but IMO this is the WORST. MAn that guy was horrible, i only chose him after i got all the other endings, just to see what his ending would be.... talk about a huge regret! *shiver*
I think the Templars could have been portrayed better in IW, rather than be full on bad guys. Augmentation is only avaliable to those in the Enclaves while outsiders are exposed to disease, crime, poverty and are simply left to die with no hope of making a socio-political impact. Prejudice builds to a point where they believe that they need to make their point known and they look to a leader to guide them (Saman). The Templars are an inevitable result of tyranical Illuminati control.
I didn't side with the Templars, but even so, I hated how they did this ending. It feels like they are preaching to the player, trying to shove "THIS WAS THE WRONG CHOICE, YOU'RE A BAD PERSON" down his throat, which is precisely the opposite of what I loved about Invisible War: the fact that (up until the endings) the developers never EVER seemed to be preaching to you, no matter how dispicable the path you took would seem to most people.
"No one would seriously choose?" I don't think so.
As for me it's the lesser evil from all 4 endings. Templars are not good but other factions except Illuminati are "pure evil". Illuminati have reasonable agenda, but they still allow Bio-modification. That's not good. The Omar and JC? Jesus Christ, their endings are terrifying!
So I'd stay for Templars. At least the won't allow a human body modification. Even if I dislike religious fanatics.
@MrKickyourbutt why genocide? They purified humanity from nano-technologies WITHOUT killing "hosts" of biomods, or at least, I understood that so. They only killed off transgenics (Like Greys, Greasels etc), and transgenics aren't humans at all.
Perfect government system? Since when Illuminati become "perfect"? They only care about "elite", a very few people.
And YES, I fear progress. Especially when it touches human bodies itself. Let's hope this can only happen in movies and games
@alphaleone1 what this ending basically tells is the new dark age, another 1000 years of a repressive technophobic 'religion' that hates free thought and rationality.
@AlternateArtisan There is no better opportunity. From one side you have total annihilation, from another - forceful modification of human bodies with no regard to their own will to do it, and total control by AI.
Actually Illuminati ending can be considered as "Good" one, but judging by their agenda for poor people and reasons to use nano-tech later on, I'd say templar ending is better. At least they'll destroy any kind of nanotech once and for all.
@alphaleone1 billions will still die in a technological collapse, the nanotech most likely isn't just reserved for human augmentation, large parts of society would be entirely reliant on it to produce everything from medicines to manufactured good to treated water. It would be like pulling the plug on the present day supply of oil to the entire world. Mass starvation would occur.
@AlternateArtisan So you probably think that Illuminati solution is the best? I wondering if the same billion of people won't die because of famines etc. in their reign, as they only care about the wealthiest.
@alphaleone1 the thing about that is, a wealthy upper class needs a large and healthy working class to support it. Without the labourers in the field, the elite would be powerless and would have to do all the work themselves. it's always been how civilisation has worked. But thats besides the point since I prefere the JC ending. as it clearly states it does not assimilate but simply connect. and we will assume it works.
@AlternateArtisan But that still means merging the human body with some kind of nano-machines and genetic modification with no regard of human will. That's terrible; not even counting a total control of AI, even if it claims that it doesn't "force" people to do something. But any system cannot exist without some sort of regulations and we can only guess what kind of regulations will be there. Humans are more predictable.
@alphaleone1 well then it all falls down to how much freedom you're willing to sacrifice. JC's perfect democracy will curtail some freedoms, but no where near as much as that under a totalitarian theocracy. And while JC's governance uses soft force in the form of persuasion and reason, the latter simple hangs dissenters.
but that begs the question if you really want freedom, you would have gone the renegade ending and let nature sort it out.
They made the Templar ending way too obviously bad in this game. There is something to be said about the dangers of augmentation, so a more reasonable option to limit it should have been available. Instead we get these crazies in a dark cave, an ending no one would seriously choose if they were in this situation.
This looks like an area from Thief: Deadly Shadows.... (I know it isn't)
I'm waiting for water arrows to fly through the air and put out those torches and Saman going on some rant about Garret and the Pagans being the enemy
Yeah this is probably the worst ending in my book - leaving the world in a state of chaos, without leadership and without guidance. Much like The Collapse, things will always revert back to how they used to be and I see much the same with this ending.
The Templars are no more than a cult - they're not a group who, upon victory, are then willing to go about the hardest step of all and lead the rest of the world in their own vision.
This ending was created to show the dangers of religion, they are a religious cult and their war was "holy" in a sense.... even after they have won and got what they want it is the basis of religion to keep on searching & having answers, they would crumble without a quest as they would have no one to control... sorry english not so good right now.
@LordFrostt I don't know if I'd say religion itself so much as religious extremism. Religion's one of those crazy beasts. The same force that can drive some to genocide can drive others to seek understanding and peace. It amazes me sometimes how radically different some people take the same subject.
@RawSteelUT Nice, it's a rare thing to see a balanced and reasoned opinion on the internet. I would suggest however that religion has a tendency to drive people to extremism. If a person truly believed in heaven and hell, then I don't know why they wouldn't take that belief to extremes in the name of saving people from eternal hellfire and all that jazz.
Arent the religious people usualy the one who accept things without evidence and reject science?
Religion is dangerous because it props up the answer on a question that nobody can answer and because people think they have an answer they stop looking for the real one.
Religious people who fight for peace are doing it because of secular humanism not a religion.
Everything good that religion does can be achived with purely secular things.
But at least secular humanists dont hold a sandwhich as ransom in the name of Jesus like some Churches do.
For Christians Jesus is the most moral person even when in reality he is immoral dick who advocates INFINITE punishment for FINITE crimes which is infinitly more moraly bankrupt then murder
He also advocates the idea that murderer can go to heaven but someone who doesnt believe does not
@LordFrostt Merging humans with machines is a terrible idea and people would lose their human essence and just become machines, then think like machines and lose their humanity.
@LordFrostt well, most every fation in deus ex is religius, some are posesed to create god and some worship something. i dont see why this one should be the evil ending.
@LordFrostt I wrote earlier that the ending here was ironic because machines don't make errors. They either work or they don't and it's funny how Saman now wants people to be 'robotic'. Still, Confucius (551-479 B.C.E) said: "In his errors a man is true to type. Observe the errors and you will know the man." Also, since this a game after all, it would be funny to have such a speech delivered when all the worst criminals and terrorists are brought to justice, lol ;)
@Kaokli what the fuck? I just played the game today o.o I've played it like 7 times, don't believe me? look it the hell up. The templars were the fanatics who wanted genetic purity and wanted to destroy the biodmodified people. So you shut up. The ones your thinking of are the dentons. Helios. So fuck off mate
God, I hated this ending. In fact, I hated all the factions that were not Tarsus, the Dentons, or ApostleCorp. All of them - that whiny bitch Donna Morgan, the gangbanger Lin-May Chen, the weasel Chad Dumier, the hipster Billie Adams, and that duplicitous hound Saman - only cared about their own political agendas. The Templars wanted to send us back to the Stone Age. The Illuminati wish to keep the status quo. Denton? He cares for everyone, rich and poor. He is the only genuine leader.
In DX the benefits of the nano-technology are only enjoyed by the minority that lives in the enclaves. The common people only suffer their plagues and the excesses of the pre-collapse investigations (mutants, etc.). You see the resentment that this generate in the game with the cities filled with graffitis about 'Stop biomods' and similar stuff. The unseen consequence of this ending is the likely collapse of the WTO and the enclave system, that relies heavily in the nano-technology.
The Templars of Deus ex are usually seen as some sort of neo-nazi group, but after playing IW again I think that they are more a populist organization than anything. Their support comes mainly from the poor of the Post-Collapse, they start as the radical branch of the Order's Church, that is itself a religion with a strong anti-corporate discourse, etc. It's mainly the most anti-establishment faction of the game (above Apostlecorp, that conspires from inside the system and using the system).
I believe they have tried to express just the dangers of " Intolerance" in a general way. After eradicate the biotech, they start driving their intolerance toward other things and on and on. If it was not the biotech that got their hate it'd be another thing.
@MOCoutinho That seems to be exactly it. They're done with Biotech here, so now it's time for the next hate campaign. This is what makes hate groups so dangerous - they never really stop.
I didn't chose this ending except to see how it would play out...but despite loving DX:IW, I hated how they presented the endings. I prefer DX1s way of doing it, where no matter what you did you felt you made the correct pick. This feels like the game passing moral judgement on the player (in addition to pissing in his soup), which is precisely what I loved the game for AVOIDING.
Plus the dialogue between JC and Alex is so awesome during the Templar ending, but this ruins it lol.
@Puglous True, but at least every ending is as pessimistic - in DX1 all the endings felt like the right call, but in DX2 all the endings felt like the wrong call - the Illuminati spying on everyone with universal surveillance; JC/Helios' creepily integrating everyone into a hive-mind; the whole world turned into a wasteland for centuries and mankind turned into cyborgs; or this totalitarian theocracy. The message is that the future is bleak and all we can do is choose between evils, I suppose.
@ClunytheScourge1 Interesting, that's really not how I percived it. The Helios ending is more like the perfect direct democracy: with biomodifications and powerful democratic infrastructure available to all, humans are finally forced to realize how very similar they are, thus leading the way for a more peaceful society. In this interpretation, the Helios ending is the only non-dystopian one.
@albins0 Humans aren't similar at all, and they have to fight over their differences as part of natural struggle, so that races that haven't adapted to the world of today would perish in the Revolutionary Holocaust! Whereas Helios would simply numb everyone out and turn them into a planet of zombies.
this is one of those "oh shit" endings rare in videogames where you think "i totally fucked up." the irony is unescapable that the new enemy is "error", but the means to eliminate it via technology has been eliminated. congrats on destroying man's future progress though.
Eh, it's not so bad. I mean, all the Templar really want to do is take a step back into those classic, rustic times before all this Industrial and Agricultural Revolution hubbub.
What? You really think these guys are going to stop at nanotechnology?
"If you could make an ending to Invisible War what would it be?"
It would be JC waking up from the nightmare that is invisible war, turning to paul and asking him "can you imagine how shitty a sequel with me as npc would be?"
If history has taught us something, it's that power should never fall into the hands of the templars, the church or any other fanatic religious faction ever again.
I think this is the worst ending for humanity, even the Omar ending is better imo, in that ending we reach the peak of bio-genetic engineering, at least something good comes from it, this is the devastation of science as a field in general
at first, i was like renegade for the win, but then i realised that means that their not really humans, their Omars. You can't choose either JC denton ending cause that defeats individuality and the illuminati ending basically means communism. So personally i would pick this ending because in this one we' re individual, still human and no augmentations. But, to be honest their all rubbish. =/
@legopooper24 I'm not sure who made the posting on the boards here, but this person suggested that the one hanging was Tracer Tong. Technically this makes sense as he loved those grays and his clothing is very similar to the one hanged. Also, if you get Billie to vouch for you, maybe Alex can be a full Templar in their new world. But we have to take into account that their operations were disrupted by Alex and so killing him after his use is over should not be ruled out, lol.
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@TheOpenMinded12460 The odd thing is there is was an cult called the "Knights Templar". They were a bunch of Catholic Extremists from the 1300's until the 1500's. Today's Knights Templars traded the sword with the gun, they also have bombs to bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors, for their own self serving greed. Just look on Wikipedia, they ripped from the headlines for this cool story line. They ripped from the headlines, like Dick Wolf does for the Law & Order Franchise.
It surprises me how much I feel involved in this game. I finished it with the Helios ending, and seeing the hanged grey while Saman claimed that mankind was free from abominations made me say "THAT'S HORRIBLE!" lol.
@TheOpenMinded12460 I think they should remake Invisible War, but include more areas such as Tokyo, Las Vegas etc. They should also have a better ammo system for the remake. They should have more Bio-mods and have a better weapon modification system such as melee weapons are upgraded and you can modify more than 2 more like all they will allow.
The templars said that they would remove Alex's biomods and allow him to join their order. They could be lying but there's really no logical reason to do so (not that the templars are the vangaurd of logic...) and no indication of it in the game. Furthermore the nanite caspid predator that is released in the templar ending would of killed Alex if his biomods were not removed. Also, the clothing of the hanged man does not correspond to Alex.
The shading doesn't make sense in this video... why is there a shadow on that far wall, but the front of the hanging body's legs are in shade, as if the light is coming from behind?
I'm surprised of the amount of messed up thinking going on here...
The only good ending was the Renegade Ending. So what if the world is hostile now, people can live on it with the Omar suits. Eventually the worlds environment could be fixed and all would be good. The Renegade ending was the only one that truly fit what libertarians would believe in. To Orumon27: The Illuminati were watching everyone and controlling it to their will like dictators. It wasn't a free society. And communism sucks.
@Buzzlord but the Omar have a shared consciousness so privacy is lost, and since they're in your head you do what the collective dictates. no more individuality. I think all of the endings are bad.
@dracsor Did it say everyone became Omar or everyone had to wear the enviro suits the Omar designed? You are right tough, all endings are bad. (Although someone has just informed me that people could choose to be a part of the Helios core or not, so it may be that the Denton (communist) ending is the best one, go figure)
A silly ending. JC Denton and the Illuminati both offered visions with strengths and weaknesses and both factions put forth a plausible case for supporting them. The renegade ending was also understandable, given that Alex D has spent his life as a pawn being jerked around.
The Templars were unambiguous nutcases, and I thought that their presence and the option to support them weakened the game somewhat, given that there was no logical reason to join them.
The reason why one would want to choose the Templar ending is simple. It repeats history but without augmentations. The problem with augs is that they bring a large factor of inequality. People with sufficient money will be able to buy augs, engineer their children which will make them superior on a biological level to those with without money. This ending blasts society in the past, but it removes this factor of inequality. Humanity society can then evolve again without augs.
@Katalmach But if that's your main concern, it would make much more sense to ally with Denton, who would actually use augmentations to create equality.
As far as I'm concerned, the main factors to determine what's ethical within the context of this game are freedom, equality, and quality of life. Regardless of what you place emphasis on between those qualities, this outcome isn't the most desirable.
The templars are indeed radicals but they can change, and if they don't they will lose their power, just like the Catholic Church did. It is inevitable.
I don't think you've read my discussion with Orumon27 a few pages behind. That pretty much sums up my opinion on the Denton ending. Basically the Denton ending does not intentionally destroy individualism. But in the very least in mitigates it severely. Let me continue in the next post, damn character limit.
Helios facilitates instant communication, sharing of memory, experience etc. Basically Nature vs Nurture. Nature is equalized via nano and bio technology and Nurture by the sharing. Humans might all become from alike to identical, it is unknown, the ending does not confer sufficient information. Freedom is replaced by the needs of every person perfectly balanced and resolved. I do not find this appealing, humanity is what it is because of our differences.
@Katalmach Culture is a result of our differences. My, we wouldn't have all these witty debates on YT if we choose the Helios ending.
The Illuminati ending is basically quite a bad outcome if freedom is your priority, so there isn't much to discuss. The renegade ending shows a desolate Earth, with humanity's glory long faded and the Omar supplanting us. This is a very bad ending no matter how you look at it. Even from a anarchists point of view destroying the Earth isn't a favourable outcome.
Now, why is nanotechnology and biotechnology something to be destroyed, one might ask? As I said before they bring inequality on a whole new scale. I am sure you can imagine all the possibilities. In the end nanotechnology will get cheaper and cheaper and more people will be able to use it, but the have nots will still be knee deep in shit. No matter how cheap nanotechnology will become it will not be affordable when one does not have enough money for proper shelter or sustenance.
I'm sure something can be worked out - government founded programs to offer free implants etc. but in the end it does not matter. The newest and best augmentations will also be the priciest and available only to those of high income - nanoaugmentation - unless regulated with an ironfist (Dumier speaks about the regulation of augs...)- is a factor the brings society apart.
The Templar ending simply repeats history without augmentations. That's all the templar ending is in my eyes.
@Katalmach *a factor -that- brings, sorry for the typo.
Perhaps when humankind is ready for it they will develop a countermeasure for the predator nanite and eventually open up nanotechnology again. Perhaps then we'll be ready for this immensely powerful technology. Humanity just need to remember history.
@Katalmach Also, regardless of the consequences of joining the Templars, it's extremely hard to sympathize with them when their motivates are so unpure and they present themselves as hostile lunatics.
You could use abstract thinking to conclude that there were benefits to joining them, but I don't think that someone like Alex D would plausibly support them.
I disagree. JC Dentons ideal would not be ruled by the mob. Your forgetting Helios would understand each mind, knowing not only their opinions but also WHY they believe them. Furthermore this information will probably be availible to the masses as well.
Helios runs on logic as well as thought, and would choose the optimal outcome every time, in relation to the situation.
I don't think individuality or the self would be lost either, since it's not a merging.
However times of great darkness are also times of reflection, maybe in this 40k future people would find freedom later. Theirs always Hope. i«Iam a big fan of individual liberty. all endings have the power to propel humanity along some path.
The templar's victory wouldn't end like this. They hadn't rejected all technology and would end up being the new incarnation of the illuminati after a brief period in power.
The problem with this game is it takes things to extremes. One of the attractions of 1 was its close resemblance of the way the world is. You could easily see security bots being on the streets, medbots in clinics, the student rebellions from the catacombs in the future. FEMA, UNATCO, the Illuminati, majestic 12 etc all either exist, exist with a different name or are hypothesised to exist.
i cant figure why would alex (in a real storyline in a movie, maibe) would risk his life for a order who first, wanted his former initial allianced destroyed, and second, who hated and ignorantly wanted to kill the biomodified ones.
The person hanging with the white pants and the boots is Alex right? He turned on the Dentons but the Templars turned on him since he was modified. Is this what the game implied?
I don't think that was Alex. White pants doesn't seem his fashion style, especially in that kind of future he probably wouldn't be dressed all neat with nice shoes. Probably another biomodded person or a dissenter.
Though it probably does imply Alex's fate. They use him as a pawn to win and they turn on him because he was a modified. The abandoned VersaLife compound in Antarctica shows this too. A Paladin accidently locks himself in a cell, begs you to let him out, then pulls a gun on you.
@FortitudeOfHeaven No its a scientist,After you join the templars,they pretty much promise to "cure" you of your biomods without killing you so more then likely hes in that rally somewhere.
The story was great, but I wish they hadn't had chosen the allegories they did for the factions. "world trade organization" was too drastic, but "united nations trade protection" would have actually sounded a bit more realistic. "The Order", a pan-denominational religion, could have been believably named "Nature Restoration Movement" with a greater emphasis on ecological nature as a sort of god. I loved the game, but even the creators admitted they should have stuck with a more familiar ground
The "templar" was also a problem, since we already had the templar killed off in DX1, and alluded to be the former illuminati as well. I think the "templar" in IW could have been replaced by what they actually were which would be something like "fanatics" "extremists" or "conservationists", as though they are simply the ignorant radicals in fear of change and desiring to take action. The templar allusion just doesn't connect with the real templars.
I dont remember J.C Denton making any choice other than the ending you wanted him to follow in the original. I for one was disappointed in this game as it had a more simplistic gameplay and the storyline was not as complex or compelling as the original. This game almost tells those who played the first game that whatever ending YOU chose, J.C still goes down the Helios route.
So I think the developers of Deus Ex 2 have made the Templar ending very accurate and based on historic facts. Members of a secret society who betrayed their society were hanged on the highest tree. It was a ritual murder and a warning to other traitors.
The Templar in Deus Ex 2 are based on the real Knights Templar, the Crusaders, the Order of Christ. Better known as the Jesuit Order nowadays. They are great enemies of the satanic Illuminati Order. Listen to the part in this ending where the Paladin leader says "But we will act now, before these traitors spread their disease...". Illuminati are usually called "traitors", because they originally were Knights Templar who turned to the dark side! "Hang the traitors!", a famous slogan in history!
You should have cited "turned to the dark side" as well as real history is much more complicated - King Philip IV of France owed a lot of money to the order so it's been in his interest to put them down - and pope felt he's loosing power over them the order). Also Templars were medieval knight order, so any reference to "Illuminati Order" is pure fantasy, sorry.
I think the opposite is true. If anything, the multiple endings proved that there was *no* correct political result. One of the messages I took away was that you can't 'have your cake and eat it'; no choice will result in an ideal outcome.
That's reflective of reality to a *certain* extent, but then, it's a work of fiction that requires some polarisation when it comes to the ending(s), or people would complain about having an unsatisfying "grey zone" ending.
I would also like to add that TK's vision through most of the game is very compatible to genuine transhumanist impulse. The problem with JC is that his plan does not explicitly include this very important aspect.
Saman in the game is quite a Traditionalist. I don't think that such a person would end up the way presented in this video. For some reason, the potentially constructive TK vision was totally dumbed down. :-/
FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN.
Zardul 1 week ago
anyone know who the person hanging at the end there is supposed to be.... PS: Gawn I hated this ending!! It's so damn creepy!! I wasnt fussy on some of the others but IMO this is the WORST. MAn that guy was horrible, i only chose him after i got all the other endings, just to see what his ending would be.... talk about a huge regret! *shiver*
ShandiMandy 1 week ago
Strange that this ending is the only one in which Humanity truly survives. Dark Ages don't last forever.
StarAdder92 2 months ago
@StarAdder92 It's true, dark ages don't last forever... sometimes they end in complete extinction. This is the worst ending.
FoxiAndFriends 1 month ago
I think the Templars could have been portrayed better in IW, rather than be full on bad guys. Augmentation is only avaliable to those in the Enclaves while outsiders are exposed to disease, crime, poverty and are simply left to die with no hope of making a socio-political impact. Prejudice builds to a point where they believe that they need to make their point known and they look to a leader to guide them (Saman). The Templars are an inevitable result of tyranical Illuminati control.
CyborgEskimo 2 months ago
Great, every ending is bad.
PWNJoker 3 months ago
I didn't side with the Templars, but even so, I hated how they did this ending. It feels like they are preaching to the player, trying to shove "THIS WAS THE WRONG CHOICE, YOU'RE A BAD PERSON" down his throat, which is precisely the opposite of what I loved about Invisible War: the fact that (up until the endings) the developers never EVER seemed to be preaching to you, no matter how dispicable the path you took would seem to most people.
Puglous 4 months ago
And the Imperium of Man was borned!
ImperialGuard9001 5 months ago 2
@ImperialGuard9001
FOR THE GOD-EMPEROR
LivingDeadVideos 4 months ago
"No one would seriously choose?" I don't think so.
As for me it's the lesser evil from all 4 endings. Templars are not good but other factions except Illuminati are "pure evil". Illuminati have reasonable agenda, but they still allow Bio-modification. That's not good. The Omar and JC? Jesus Christ, their endings are terrifying!
So I'd stay for Templars. At least the won't allow a human body modification. Even if I dislike religious fanatics.
alphaleone1 5 months ago
@alphaleone1 You choose genocide over the perfect government system because of your fear of progress?
MrKickyourbutt 4 months ago
@MrKickyourbutt why genocide? They purified humanity from nano-technologies WITHOUT killing "hosts" of biomods, or at least, I understood that so. They only killed off transgenics (Like Greys, Greasels etc), and transgenics aren't humans at all.
Perfect government system? Since when Illuminati become "perfect"? They only care about "elite", a very few people.
And YES, I fear progress. Especially when it touches human bodies itself. Let's hope this can only happen in movies and games
alphaleone1 4 months ago
@alphaleone1 what this ending basically tells is the new dark age, another 1000 years of a repressive technophobic 'religion' that hates free thought and rationality.
AlternateArtisan 3 months ago
@AlternateArtisan There is no better opportunity. From one side you have total annihilation, from another - forceful modification of human bodies with no regard to their own will to do it, and total control by AI.
Actually Illuminati ending can be considered as "Good" one, but judging by their agenda for poor people and reasons to use nano-tech later on, I'd say templar ending is better. At least they'll destroy any kind of nanotech once and for all.
alphaleone1 3 months ago
@alphaleone1 billions will still die in a technological collapse, the nanotech most likely isn't just reserved for human augmentation, large parts of society would be entirely reliant on it to produce everything from medicines to manufactured good to treated water. It would be like pulling the plug on the present day supply of oil to the entire world. Mass starvation would occur.
AlternateArtisan 3 months ago
@AlternateArtisan So you probably think that Illuminati solution is the best? I wondering if the same billion of people won't die because of famines etc. in their reign, as they only care about the wealthiest.
alphaleone1 3 months ago
@alphaleone1 the thing about that is, a wealthy upper class needs a large and healthy working class to support it. Without the labourers in the field, the elite would be powerless and would have to do all the work themselves. it's always been how civilisation has worked. But thats besides the point since I prefere the JC ending. as it clearly states it does not assimilate but simply connect. and we will assume it works.
AlternateArtisan 3 months ago
@AlternateArtisan But that still means merging the human body with some kind of nano-machines and genetic modification with no regard of human will. That's terrible; not even counting a total control of AI, even if it claims that it doesn't "force" people to do something. But any system cannot exist without some sort of regulations and we can only guess what kind of regulations will be there. Humans are more predictable.
alphaleone1 3 months ago
@alphaleone1 well then it all falls down to how much freedom you're willing to sacrifice. JC's perfect democracy will curtail some freedoms, but no where near as much as that under a totalitarian theocracy. And while JC's governance uses soft force in the form of persuasion and reason, the latter simple hangs dissenters.
but that begs the question if you really want freedom, you would have gone the renegade ending and let nature sort it out.
AlternateArtisan 3 months ago
They made the Templar ending way too obviously bad in this game. There is something to be said about the dangers of augmentation, so a more reasonable option to limit it should have been available. Instead we get these crazies in a dark cave, an ending no one would seriously choose if they were in this situation.
catalyst0435 5 months ago
someone tell me the canonical ending to this game?
Robogreg21 5 months ago
@Robogreg21 all of them are considered to be by the games creator
bornwisedistruction 4 months ago
@bornwisedistruction but doesnt human revoloution follow up from this game and that there has to be a canonical ending?
Robogreg21 4 months ago
@Robogreg21 Human Revolution is a Prequel so the events in the previous game have even occurred in the time line of the story yet.
bornwisedistruction 4 months ago
And thus the Imperium of man was born
DavidToddSchiesler 5 months ago
That teach us that all ideologies and religions are bad. We have to learn to govern ourselves without ideologies.
Zeta439 5 months ago
This is the scariest future for humanity.
MrFakeGangster 5 months ago
Haha I remember this game .... when I was a lil kid all I did was kill everyone and this was the ending I got thanks for the vid bro
joeserrano559 5 months ago
This looks like an area from Thief: Deadly Shadows.... (I know it isn't)
I'm waiting for water arrows to fly through the air and put out those torches and Saman going on some rant about Garret and the Pagans being the enemy
DrTheoreticalDonuts 5 months ago
Seeing that Gray hanged disgusted me....
Rafahil 5 months ago
Worst ending In my opinion.
TearsOfWar1 6 months ago
I know i saw an alein
littlebrenda 6 months ago
ok who was that being hanged? was it the leader of the order seekers? or alex
well you cant kill alex D. because alex D. kills YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ethan8804 6 months ago
I don't like how every ending in this game is bad. In the first game, whether or not each ending was "good" depended on your personal judgement.
Here, you either agree that JC's collectivist instant democracy is good, or you're fucked.
Whenever I play this game, I'll just go for the one where everyone's dancing.
JMG9519 6 months ago
I wonder whose legs they are? I think its your characters. I bet they lied and killed you along with all the "Infected".
daveman247 6 months ago
The Templars are a rasict order.
Monzarath 7 months ago
Yeah this is probably the worst ending in my book - leaving the world in a state of chaos, without leadership and without guidance. Much like The Collapse, things will always revert back to how they used to be and I see much the same with this ending.
The Templars are no more than a cult - they're not a group who, upon victory, are then willing to go about the hardest step of all and lead the rest of the world in their own vision.
Moorpheus19 7 months ago
This ending was created to show the dangers of religion, they are a religious cult and their war was "holy" in a sense.... even after they have won and got what they want it is the basis of religion to keep on searching & having answers, they would crumble without a quest as they would have no one to control... sorry english not so good right now.
LordFrostt 7 months ago 16
@LordFrostt I don't know if I'd say religion itself so much as religious extremism. Religion's one of those crazy beasts. The same force that can drive some to genocide can drive others to seek understanding and peace. It amazes me sometimes how radically different some people take the same subject.
RawSteelUT 7 months ago 32
@RawSteelUT Nice, it's a rare thing to see a balanced and reasoned opinion on the internet. I would suggest however that religion has a tendency to drive people to extremism. If a person truly believed in heaven and hell, then I don't know why they wouldn't take that belief to extremes in the name of saving people from eternal hellfire and all that jazz.
sEaNoYeAh 7 months ago
@RawSteelUT All that begins with peace understanding and love ends with persecution war and brutality.
ImperialGuard9001 5 months ago
@RawSteelUT Depends on the religion.
Theonegamefreak 4 months ago
@RawSteelUT
Seek understanding?
About what?
The world?
Arent the religious people usualy the one who accept things without evidence and reject science?
Religion is dangerous because it props up the answer on a question that nobody can answer and because people think they have an answer they stop looking for the real one.
Religious people who fight for peace are doing it because of secular humanism not a religion.
1DarkMasK1 3 days ago
@1DarkMasK1
Everything good that religion does can be achived with purely secular things.
But at least secular humanists dont hold a sandwhich as ransom in the name of Jesus like some Churches do.
For Christians Jesus is the most moral person even when in reality he is immoral dick who advocates INFINITE punishment for FINITE crimes which is infinitly more moraly bankrupt then murder
He also advocates the idea that murderer can go to heaven but someone who doesnt believe does not
1DarkMasK1 3 days ago
@LordFrostt Merging humans with machines is a terrible idea and people would lose their human essence and just become machines, then think like machines and lose their humanity.
Graham6762 5 months ago
@LordFrostt well, most every fation in deus ex is religius, some are posesed to create god and some worship something. i dont see why this one should be the evil ending.
Troforso 4 months ago
@LordFrostt I wrote earlier that the ending here was ironic because machines don't make errors. They either work or they don't and it's funny how Saman now wants people to be 'robotic'. Still, Confucius (551-479 B.C.E) said: "In his errors a man is true to type. Observe the errors and you will know the man." Also, since this a game after all, it would be funny to have such a speech delivered when all the worst criminals and terrorists are brought to justice, lol ;)
aftermathematics365 4 months ago
@LordFrostt And also I'm glad you enjoyed this game and keep up the good work. English was not my first language either. Cheers and all the best!
aftermathematics365 4 months ago
Burn the heretic kill the mutant purge the unclean!
DavidToddSchiesler 7 months ago
this ending is for pussies
the best end is the saman one
Kaokli 7 months ago
@Kaokli this is the saman one? o.O Saman was in charge of the templars and this is the templar ending
TerriblefailedLps 7 months ago
@TerriblefailedLps
shut up
Saman was in charge of the Order
The templars were that gang who wanted to be robots
Kaokli 7 months ago
@Kaokli what the fuck? I just played the game today o.o I've played it like 7 times, don't believe me? look it the hell up. The templars were the fanatics who wanted genetic purity and wanted to destroy the biodmodified people. So you shut up. The ones your thinking of are the dentons. Helios. So fuck off mate
TerriblefailedLps 7 months ago
@TerriblefailedLps
you fucking brit wanker
Kaokli 7 months ago
God, I hated this ending. In fact, I hated all the factions that were not Tarsus, the Dentons, or ApostleCorp. All of them - that whiny bitch Donna Morgan, the gangbanger Lin-May Chen, the weasel Chad Dumier, the hipster Billie Adams, and that duplicitous hound Saman - only cared about their own political agendas. The Templars wanted to send us back to the Stone Age. The Illuminati wish to keep the status quo. Denton? He cares for everyone, rich and poor. He is the only genuine leader.
sunderking 8 months ago 45
@sunderking Medieval Age sir !XD
ImperialGuard9001 5 months ago
@sunderking What about the Omar?
HonestObserver 4 months ago
@sunderking Cept I'd rather choose or not to have my body modified rather than be forced :p
XenoSpyro 3 months ago
what a shame
philazkill 8 months ago
The guy hanging in the end might be Tracer Tong..
icesyncer 9 months ago
@icesyncer good thinking ;)
DioIsTheBest 9 months ago
In DX the benefits of the nano-technology are only enjoyed by the minority that lives in the enclaves. The common people only suffer their plagues and the excesses of the pre-collapse investigations (mutants, etc.). You see the resentment that this generate in the game with the cities filled with graffitis about 'Stop biomods' and similar stuff. The unseen consequence of this ending is the likely collapse of the WTO and the enclave system, that relies heavily in the nano-technology.
Beatificadox 10 months ago 11
The Templars of Deus ex are usually seen as some sort of neo-nazi group, but after playing IW again I think that they are more a populist organization than anything. Their support comes mainly from the poor of the Post-Collapse, they start as the radical branch of the Order's Church, that is itself a religion with a strong anti-corporate discourse, etc. It's mainly the most anti-establishment faction of the game (above Apostlecorp, that conspires from inside the system and using the system).
Beatificadox 10 months ago
@Beatificadox
Sorta like Post Cyberpunk (ApostleCorp) and Cyberpunk (Templars)
asaqe3 7 months ago
correct
lemons604 11 months ago
I believe they have tried to express just the dangers of " Intolerance" in a general way. After eradicate the biotech, they start driving their intolerance toward other things and on and on. If it was not the biotech that got their hate it'd be another thing.
MOCoutinho 11 months ago 17
@MOCoutinho That seems to be exactly it. They're done with Biotech here, so now it's time for the next hate campaign. This is what makes hate groups so dangerous - they never really stop.
RawSteelUT 7 months ago 16
@RawSteelUT yeah.. like PETA.
Gungrave123 5 months ago
Like if you chose to go with DC
Ddjerikho 11 months ago
And now we will spread perfection to the stars... as SPEHS MEHREENS!
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lemons604 1 year ago
I didn't chose this ending except to see how it would play out...but despite loving DX:IW, I hated how they presented the endings. I prefer DX1s way of doing it, where no matter what you did you felt you made the correct pick. This feels like the game passing moral judgement on the player (in addition to pissing in his soup), which is precisely what I loved the game for AVOIDING.
Plus the dialogue between JC and Alex is so awesome during the Templar ending, but this ruins it lol.
Puglous 1 year ago
@Puglous True, but at least every ending is as pessimistic - in DX1 all the endings felt like the right call, but in DX2 all the endings felt like the wrong call - the Illuminati spying on everyone with universal surveillance; JC/Helios' creepily integrating everyone into a hive-mind; the whole world turned into a wasteland for centuries and mankind turned into cyborgs; or this totalitarian theocracy. The message is that the future is bleak and all we can do is choose between evils, I suppose.
ClunytheScourge1 1 year ago
@ClunytheScourge1 Interesting, that's really not how I percived it. The Helios ending is more like the perfect direct democracy: with biomodifications and powerful democratic infrastructure available to all, humans are finally forced to realize how very similar they are, thus leading the way for a more peaceful society. In this interpretation, the Helios ending is the only non-dystopian one.
albins0 11 months ago
@albins0 Humans aren't similar at all, and they have to fight over their differences as part of natural struggle, so that races that haven't adapted to the world of today would perish in the Revolutionary Holocaust! Whereas Helios would simply numb everyone out and turn them into a planet of zombies.
angistron 11 months ago
Hmmm... tasty conquest. :3
Bidmartinlo 1 year ago
this is one of those "oh shit" endings rare in videogames where you think "i totally fucked up." the irony is unescapable that the new enemy is "error", but the means to eliminate it via technology has been eliminated. congrats on destroying man's future progress though.
chihuahuablender 1 year ago
Eh, it's not so bad. I mean, all the Templar really want to do is take a step back into those classic, rustic times before all this Industrial and Agricultural Revolution hubbub.
What? You really think these guys are going to stop at nanotechnology?
IDNA222 1 year ago
hate the templars -_-
YOYOdaMOOSE 1 year ago
If you could make an ending to Invisible War what would it be?
vaark14 1 year ago
@vaark14 a fucking good ending.
MrCheesedogim 1 year ago
@vaark14 the illuminati being completely butt fucked by the red and green societies of china :) google it. Illuminati threat red and green societies
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"If you could make an ending to Invisible War what would it be?"
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terislb 8 months ago
If history has taught us something, it's that power should never fall into the hands of the templars, the church or any other fanatic religious faction ever again.
ScarletSnake 1 year ago
I think this is the worst ending for humanity, even the Omar ending is better imo, in that ending we reach the peak of bio-genetic engineering, at least something good comes from it, this is the devastation of science as a field in general
britboyal 1 year ago 3
at first, i was like renegade for the win, but then i realised that means that their not really humans, their Omars. You can't choose either JC denton ending cause that defeats individuality and the illuminati ending basically means communism. So personally i would pick this ending because in this one we' re individual, still human and no augmentations. But, to be honest their all rubbish. =/
vaark14 1 year ago
@vaark14 The Illuminati ending means fascism. There is a difference.
AnimalNitrateInMind 1 year ago
@TheOpenMinded12460 The Templars remind me of Ted Kaczynski, A.K.A. The Unabomber. Who agrees?
TheOpenminded12460 1 year ago
who is the guy hanging?
legopooper24 1 year ago
@legopooper24 I'm not sure who made the posting on the boards here, but this person suggested that the one hanging was Tracer Tong. Technically this makes sense as he loved those grays and his clothing is very similar to the one hanged. Also, if you get Billie to vouch for you, maybe Alex can be a full Templar in their new world. But we have to take into account that their operations were disrupted by Alex and so killing him after his use is over should not be ruled out, lol.
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narragansettharco 1 year ago
@TheOpenMinded12460 It would have been cool if the Knights Templar wore full metal armor like knights and had energy swords.
TheOpenminded12460 1 year ago
@TheOpenMinded12460 The odd thing is there is was an cult called the "Knights Templar". They were a bunch of Catholic Extremists from the 1300's until the 1500's. Today's Knights Templars traded the sword with the gun, they also have bombs to bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors, for their own self serving greed. Just look on Wikipedia, they ripped from the headlines for this cool story line. They ripped from the headlines, like Dick Wolf does for the Law & Order Franchise.
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aftermathematics365 1 year ago
Deus (Ex) Vult!
TheOneUntakenName 1 year ago
It surprises me how much I feel involved in this game. I finished it with the Helios ending, and seeing the hanged grey while Saman claimed that mankind was free from abominations made me say "THAT'S HORRIBLE!" lol.
Pkmns 1 year ago
@TheOpenMinded12460 I think they should remake Invisible War, but include more areas such as Tokyo, Las Vegas etc. They should also have a better ammo system for the remake. They should have more Bio-mods and have a better weapon modification system such as melee weapons are upgraded and you can modify more than 2 more like all they will allow.
TheOpenminded12460 1 year ago
@TheOpenminded12460 well, deus ex 3 is coming..
theundeadx 1 year ago
@TheOpenminded12460 just wait for the third game
misterb1az3d 1 year ago
who was hanging there? the hero?
memokk 1 year ago
@memokk @TheOpenMinded12460 I think Alex D is hanging there because, of the Bio-mods.
TheOpenminded12460 1 year ago
@TheOpenminded12460
The templars said that they would remove Alex's biomods and allow him to join their order. They could be lying but there's really no logical reason to do so (not that the templars are the vangaurd of logic...) and no indication of it in the game. Furthermore the nanite caspid predator that is released in the templar ending would of killed Alex if his biomods were not removed. Also, the clothing of the hanged man does not correspond to Alex.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach I thought that the clothes belonged to Tracer Tong...
hawkwreak 1 year ago 4
man these endings for that game all are a no win.I guess the Illumiate is the best of them but man still really bah.I hated everyone of them,
Sw33p3r41 1 year ago 3
The shading doesn't make sense in this video... why is there a shadow on that far wall, but the front of the hanging body's legs are in shade, as if the light is coming from behind?
stenualdo 1 year ago
we need some assassins... assassins creed style bitches!!!!!!!!!
Gam0rDude 1 year ago
I'm surprised of the amount of messed up thinking going on here...
The only good ending was the Renegade Ending. So what if the world is hostile now, people can live on it with the Omar suits. Eventually the worlds environment could be fixed and all would be good. The Renegade ending was the only one that truly fit what libertarians would believe in. To Orumon27: The Illuminati were watching everyone and controlling it to their will like dictators. It wasn't a free society. And communism sucks.
Buzzlord 1 year ago
@Buzzlord but the Omar have a shared consciousness so privacy is lost, and since they're in your head you do what the collective dictates. no more individuality. I think all of the endings are bad.
dracsor 1 year ago
@dracsor Did it say everyone became Omar or everyone had to wear the enviro suits the Omar designed? You are right tough, all endings are bad. (Although someone has just informed me that people could choose to be a part of the Helios core or not, so it may be that the Denton (communist) ending is the best one, go figure)
Buzzlord 1 year ago
A silly ending. JC Denton and the Illuminati both offered visions with strengths and weaknesses and both factions put forth a plausible case for supporting them. The renegade ending was also understandable, given that Alex D has spent his life as a pawn being jerked around.
The Templars were unambiguous nutcases, and I thought that their presence and the option to support them weakened the game somewhat, given that there was no logical reason to join them.
SecondsToLast 1 year ago
@SecondsToLast
The reason why one would want to choose the Templar ending is simple. It repeats history but without augmentations. The problem with augs is that they bring a large factor of inequality. People with sufficient money will be able to buy augs, engineer their children which will make them superior on a biological level to those with without money. This ending blasts society in the past, but it removes this factor of inequality. Humanity society can then evolve again without augs.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach But if that's your main concern, it would make much more sense to ally with Denton, who would actually use augmentations to create equality.
As far as I'm concerned, the main factors to determine what's ethical within the context of this game are freedom, equality, and quality of life. Regardless of what you place emphasis on between those qualities, this outcome isn't the most desirable.
SecondsToLast 1 year ago
@Katalmach To elaborate, I'd argue...
-If you value freedom, you should go with the renegade ending.
-If you value equality, you should go with the Helios ending.
-If you value quality of life, I'd argue that the Illuminati ending is the best.(This is probably the most subjective factor)
SecondsToLast 1 year ago
@SecondsToLast
The templars are indeed radicals but they can change, and if they don't they will lose their power, just like the Catholic Church did. It is inevitable.
I don't think you've read my discussion with Orumon27 a few pages behind. That pretty much sums up my opinion on the Denton ending. Basically the Denton ending does not intentionally destroy individualism. But in the very least in mitigates it severely. Let me continue in the next post, damn character limit.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach
Helios facilitates instant communication, sharing of memory, experience etc. Basically Nature vs Nurture. Nature is equalized via nano and bio technology and Nurture by the sharing. Humans might all become from alike to identical, it is unknown, the ending does not confer sufficient information. Freedom is replaced by the needs of every person perfectly balanced and resolved. I do not find this appealing, humanity is what it is because of our differences.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach Culture is a result of our differences. My, we wouldn't have all these witty debates on YT if we choose the Helios ending.
The Illuminati ending is basically quite a bad outcome if freedom is your priority, so there isn't much to discuss. The renegade ending shows a desolate Earth, with humanity's glory long faded and the Omar supplanting us. This is a very bad ending no matter how you look at it. Even from a anarchists point of view destroying the Earth isn't a favourable outcome.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach
Now, why is nanotechnology and biotechnology something to be destroyed, one might ask? As I said before they bring inequality on a whole new scale. I am sure you can imagine all the possibilities. In the end nanotechnology will get cheaper and cheaper and more people will be able to use it, but the have nots will still be knee deep in shit. No matter how cheap nanotechnology will become it will not be affordable when one does not have enough money for proper shelter or sustenance.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach
I'm sure something can be worked out - government founded programs to offer free implants etc. but in the end it does not matter. The newest and best augmentations will also be the priciest and available only to those of high income - nanoaugmentation - unless regulated with an ironfist (Dumier speaks about the regulation of augs...)- is a factor the brings society apart.
The Templar ending simply repeats history without augmentations. That's all the templar ending is in my eyes.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach *a factor -that- brings, sorry for the typo.
Perhaps when humankind is ready for it they will develop a countermeasure for the predator nanite and eventually open up nanotechnology again. Perhaps then we'll be ready for this immensely powerful technology. Humanity just need to remember history.
Katalmach 1 year ago
@Katalmach Also, regardless of the consequences of joining the Templars, it's extremely hard to sympathize with them when their motivates are so unpure and they present themselves as hostile lunatics.
You could use abstract thinking to conclude that there were benefits to joining them, but I don't think that someone like Alex D would plausibly support them.
SecondsToLast 1 year ago
Who is the guy that is hanged in the end of the video?!?!?!
macacom 1 year ago
Who is that guy that is hanged in the end of the vid?!
macacom 1 year ago
They hang a Grey!
bushcrap2019 1 year ago
White supremacy pops into mind when I watch this.
tomnothingmoreorless 1 year ago
I disagree. JC Dentons ideal would not be ruled by the mob. Your forgetting Helios would understand each mind, knowing not only their opinions but also WHY they believe them. Furthermore this information will probably be availible to the masses as well.
Helios runs on logic as well as thought, and would choose the optimal outcome every time, in relation to the situation.
I don't think individuality or the self would be lost either, since it's not a merging.
TsunamiWombat 1 year ago
However times of great darkness are also times of reflection, maybe in this 40k future people would find freedom later. Theirs always Hope. i«Iam a big fan of individual liberty. all endings have the power to propel humanity along some path.
Atrahasis7 1 year ago
and thus the imperium of man was born
kingsage18 1 year ago 116
@kingsage18 Amen on that one Brother.
Nightshift10000 1 year ago
@kingsage18 HAHA I Tough that aswel!XD FOR THE EMPEROR!
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@kingsage18 But soon went to war, with EVERYONE! CHAOS
DeathRevenant7 7 months ago
@kingsage18 Haha i was about to say the same thing
DavidToddSchiesler 7 months ago
and only that i listen to his voice and speech i say what a cruel dictator. damn.
bloodcorer 1 year ago
and this is why I vote libertarian :D
bulldog300 1 year ago
Could that be... Warren Vidic? :P
ProkoLokor 1 year ago
@ProkoLokor Siuuu, hsz! Requiescat in pace...
Max0Inq 1 year ago
How will they make sequels based on these endings? and no, Deus Ex Human Revolution is not a sequel it is a prequel.
Josephjoel3 1 year ago
is this the prequel to dawn of war 40 k ?
Blacky2000x 1 year ago
Templar ending is best ending; Helios can lie, the Illuminati can make people 'disappear' and the Omar are just not human.
ProfessionalWhiteGuy 1 year ago
I don't like people who kill you with fire if you get your cavities treated by the dentist.
EpoBot 1 year ago
God bless the Templar Order!
Death to the satanic Illuminati. Hang the traitors!
undergroundresistor 1 year ago
The templar's victory wouldn't end like this. They hadn't rejected all technology and would end up being the new incarnation of the illuminati after a brief period in power.
ArthurSavillesCrime 1 year ago
The problem with this game is it takes things to extremes. One of the attractions of 1 was its close resemblance of the way the world is. You could easily see security bots being on the streets, medbots in clinics, the student rebellions from the catacombs in the future. FEMA, UNATCO, the Illuminati, majestic 12 etc all either exist, exist with a different name or are hypothesised to exist.
ArthurSavillesCrime 1 year ago
@ArthurSavillesCrime
illuminati possibly
majestic 12 Yeap
Arzaker 1 year ago
@ArthurSavillesCrime if it portrayed a completely accurate account of the real world it wouldn't be a game it would be an interactive documentary.
egokick 1 year ago
I think this is only game that based on real future
CasPioneer 1 year ago
i cant figure why would alex (in a real storyline in a movie, maibe) would risk his life for a order who first, wanted his former initial allianced destroyed, and second, who hated and ignorantly wanted to kill the biomodified ones.
alastarian1 1 year ago
and else, jc says that the AI administrates each one individually.
alastarian1 1 year ago
all of them are shady and untrustworthy i killed all of them
superkitty495 1 year ago
The person hanging with the white pants and the boots is Alex right? He turned on the Dentons but the Templars turned on him since he was modified. Is this what the game implied?
malabou75 1 year ago
I don't think that was Alex. White pants doesn't seem his fashion style, especially in that kind of future he probably wouldn't be dressed all neat with nice shoes. Probably another biomodded person or a dissenter.
Though it probably does imply Alex's fate. They use him as a pawn to win and they turn on him because he was a modified. The abandoned VersaLife compound in Antarctica shows this too. A Paladin accidently locks himself in a cell, begs you to let him out, then pulls a gun on you.
FortitudeOfHeaven 1 year ago 3
@FortitudeOfHeaven No its a scientist,After you join the templars,they pretty much promise to "cure" you of your biomods without killing you so more then likely hes in that rally somewhere.
Roostergobam 1 year ago
Long live the Templar!
Death to the Illuminati and New World Order!
undergroundresistor 2 years ago 4
The story was great, but I wish they hadn't had chosen the allegories they did for the factions. "world trade organization" was too drastic, but "united nations trade protection" would have actually sounded a bit more realistic. "The Order", a pan-denominational religion, could have been believably named "Nature Restoration Movement" with a greater emphasis on ecological nature as a sort of god. I loved the game, but even the creators admitted they should have stuck with a more familiar ground
PrivationProductions 2 years ago
The "templar" was also a problem, since we already had the templar killed off in DX1, and alluded to be the former illuminati as well. I think the "templar" in IW could have been replaced by what they actually were which would be something like "fanatics" "extremists" or "conservationists", as though they are simply the ignorant radicals in fear of change and desiring to take action. The templar allusion just doesn't connect with the real templars.
PrivationProductions 2 years ago
I dont remember J.C Denton making any choice other than the ending you wanted him to follow in the original. I for one was disappointed in this game as it had a more simplistic gameplay and the storyline was not as complex or compelling as the original. This game almost tells those who played the first game that whatever ending YOU chose, J.C still goes down the Helios route.
MiseducatedPup 2 years ago
it sucks that alex isnt in the endings
legopooper24 2 years ago
So I think the developers of Deus Ex 2 have made the Templar ending very accurate and based on historic facts. Members of a secret society who betrayed their society were hanged on the highest tree. It was a ritual murder and a warning to other traitors.
undergroundresistor 2 years ago 3
The Templar in Deus Ex 2 are based on the real Knights Templar, the Crusaders, the Order of Christ. Better known as the Jesuit Order nowadays. They are great enemies of the satanic Illuminati Order. Listen to the part in this ending where the Paladin leader says "But we will act now, before these traitors spread their disease...". Illuminati are usually called "traitors", because they originally were Knights Templar who turned to the dark side! "Hang the traitors!", a famous slogan in history!
undergroundresistor 2 years ago
You should have cited "turned to the dark side" as well as real history is much more complicated - King Philip IV of France owed a lot of money to the order so it's been in his interest to put them down - and pope felt he's loosing power over them the order). Also Templars were medieval knight order, so any reference to "Illuminati Order" is pure fantasy, sorry.
reav3rtm 2 years ago
Um, no wrong the Jesuits have nothing to do with the Templars.
Wasserkaktus 1 year ago
This game was a dense, thick soup of political correctness :/ ughhh
YuriPRIME 2 years ago
I think the opposite is true. If anything, the multiple endings proved that there was *no* correct political result. One of the messages I took away was that you can't 'have your cake and eat it'; no choice will result in an ideal outcome.
That's reflective of reality to a *certain* extent, but then, it's a work of fiction that requires some polarisation when it comes to the ending(s), or people would complain about having an unsatisfying "grey zone" ending.
blackmesalabs 2 years ago 3
helios for the peace
ScheissAntiSpammer 2 years ago
I would also like to add that TK's vision through most of the game is very compatible to genuine transhumanist impulse. The problem with JC is that his plan does not explicitly include this very important aspect.
tokomak15 2 years ago
Saman in the game is quite a Traditionalist. I don't think that such a person would end up the way presented in this video. For some reason, the potentially constructive TK vision was totally dumbed down. :-/
tokomak15 2 years ago
i LOVED this game
acircledoesnot 2 years ago
Were the legs at the end supposed to be somebody in specific? Or just an idea...?
zerrish 2 years ago