Should climate deniers be treated like war criminals? w/ James Hoggan

[LovingPoontang69]

whenever someone jumps up and down about carbon does it make a sound? echo echo echo echo

[mphello]

If anyone refuses to treat climate deniers like the war criminals that they are,

then you had DAMNED well better let EVERYONE else out of prison.

Start with Bradford Manning.

[mphello]

YES! YES! YES!

Lock up the manmade-climate-change deniers! They are murderers.

They are committing genocide. They have committed acts of terrorism against national security.

[THISREALLYBORESME]

Yeah friggin US has 25% of CO2 emissions, and 2% of world population. What is wrong with you people ??

[JonThm]

Nature does nuclear fusion from water

[evilabsolute]

Yes, the earth is warming, the earth's climate is always changing but the notion that it's people that are causing it is complete horse shit. It's all part of the plan to impose a global carbon tax and keep developing countries from getting industrialized

[andrewjefferson1776]

You people are really sad... Climategate... google it! Man has little to no effect on the climate. It's the SUN stupid!!! All the data the IPCC used was already disproved before it got out the door. Look it up. Learn more about what science is. Public Validation is 1 of the 3 basic criteria for scientific research. Repeatedly denied freedom of information requests speak for themselves. Wake up people, your freedom is about to be completely taken from you in the name of "saving the earth."

[maxgpgpu]

Yes, we have a crisis --- the current move towards global totalitarian government, justified mostly on the basis of absolutely fraudulent human-caused global warming danger lies.

Everyone who supports cap-and-tax/trade and the rest of the current scams, especially after the global warming criminals have been exposed via the emails and jiggered data and programs is guilty of crimes against humanity.

YOU guys need to be treated like war criminals, because that's exactly what you are!

[jimlaregina]

"The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition?" Or, the A.S.S. Coalition?

[monobrowperson]

THOUSANDS of poor Africans are dying DAILY! Why does everybody care about some hypothetical people who haven't been born yet but not about REAL people who exist?

[julsHz]

Apparently, the disinformation campaign is working. "Creating doubt" about science has been a tactic of corporations since the late 60's and 'sound science' was one of Gingrich's talking points that helped him defund The Offfice of Technology Assessment in 1995- 143 US scientists that lead the world in research and credibility- other countries modeled science advisory boards after ours and were shocked when it was shut down. The 'trickle down' has been a nation of science naysayers.

[terraalert]

Courts decipher truth from fiction daily. They can certainly determine whether a company is seeking truth or engaging in a life threatening, deceptive PR tactic to increase profits.

Phillip Morris used the same tactics to distort science and confuse the public about the link between cancer and tobacco thereby increasing their profits. This practice shouldn't be discouraged???

[educution]

Of course it should! like it has been with warnings and advertising limits..but have you ever heard of a miscarriage of justice?? You talk like courts are incorruptable bastions of truth. Don't courts usually screw the little guy in favour of big business? I don't see any logic in your argument. What about monsantos unsue-able status.

[texxta]

yes there is climate change

no its not man made... pollution is our job

check the temperature charts for the last few thousand years

[terraalert]

texxta... every nationally and internationally scientific academy on the planet disagrees with your assumption that climate change is not man made.

[texxta]

bullshit, thats why around 30,000 of them have signed a petition against your claims

[terraalert]

Thanks for the misinformation, but the Oregon Petition you mention is not credible. About 1/2 of a percent of those signing had any background in climate science. Also, an extremely flawed and misleading petition.

You need to check your facts before posting crap like this. It's extremely irresponsible.

[texxta]

get a temp chart and look for yourself

[xdir]

So can you explain why the weather patterns are changing? or why the acidity in the oceans is changing? or why the glaciers are melting?

There must a factor other then cyclical weather, science says its due to man made CO2 emission.

Please state your counter argument with scientific fact not industry spin.

[texxta]

in 1100 BC and 1300 AD the earths temp was hotter than what it is now.... thats 1000 years before industrialisation - Climatologist Cliff Harris & Meteorologist Randy Mann

[xdir]

And how do they explain the ocean acidity? where the glaciers also melting?

Was the earths population 6Billion with 50% on the coast?

If the temp changes to that of 1100 or 1300 then it will cause unprecedented famine in both the 3rd world & the west, the breadbasket of the midwest will become a desert through drought.

Unlike previous temp changes human interference will push the climate into permanent change, as the least adaptable species humans will suffer the most.

[texxta]

Back in the 70s they said we were headed for another ice age

I didnt say climate change isnt a problem, I said it doesnt appear to be from human population/development and we better get used to it

As far as glaciers melting, im sure the vikings thought it was great when they could reach canada

But from the basic evidence of temp numbers and dates it doesnt seem to conclude that humans have anything to do with it

[xdir]

We might still end up with an Ice Age, once the humans are wiped out by drought famine & flood, nature will seize back control, life will thrive without civilized humanity.

Humans are directly responsible because we are root cause, We emit more CO2 by industry & heating while felling large swathes of jungle for timber, trees absorb CO2, that CO2 is passed from the atmosphere to the oceans increasing the PH and warming them. Warmer seas means Gulf stream will not occur, changing our weather.

[terraalert]

The Heartland Institute is funded by Exxon Mobile and a major source of disinformation as well.

Heartland are old school scientific deception experts. They were funded by Phillip Morris back in the day to distort the scientific link between tobacco and cancer.

Unfortunately, this new climate change deception will end up making the death and suffering from tobacco sales look like a walk in the park.

[terraalert]

Every nationally and internationally recognized scientific academy agrees that climate change is real, man made and a serious threat.

Those of us here in the USA are least likely to get the connection.

[Jsickert]

Scientist are so smart. They see that the easiest solution is to completely change our technology and lifestyles. I mean it's not like you can use trees and plants to lower CO2 levels.

[terraalert]

If it were only that simple...

[Jsickert]

It is.

[terraalert]

Jsickert, since you think in simple terms, I'll give you a simple response...

You're an idiot.

[OzRevolutionary]

In 100 years the people will look back at us now, and laugh that we were scared of the deadly, colourless, odorless gas called carbon dioxide. It will be like how we laugh at flat earth people now or people who think the sun orbits the earth.

[JSparkleZ2]

You do understand that the reason so much time and energy is being spent denying climate change is bc oil companies have a ton of money...

Everyone attempting to divert attetion realize that their windfall profits will end if we have renewable clean energy...

[terraalert]

If what they say about ignorance being bliss is true. OzRevolutionary is one hell of a happy mf'er.

[educution]

This is indeed a crazy time. We surround ourselves in the most poisonous crap, breathe it eat it rub it in our skin, reorder the world like a cancer eating its host, and then declare one of the two most lifegiving gasses a poison. this is the sickest joke ever, This whole campain was organised by money cartels to hijack the environmental movement and divert it away from big business, after all, they can afford to pay whatever carbon tax is charged, they win, we and our environment lose.

[terraalert]

educution... thanks for the conspiracy theory perspective, but I'm going with the scientists on this one.

[educution]

You like placing labels on people don't you. is anything i said theorising about conspiracies?? In return (coz i'm nice) i've got some science for you, go check out a more zoomed in version of Gore's famous carbon ice core graph. look for the 100 year delay that shows co2 increases AFTER the temperature increase. 100 year delay dude, stick that up your science bum.

[xdir]

The warning from history is to heed warnings & act fast, 30 years ago Jimmy Carter gave the famous malaise speech where he warned about Americas addiction to oil, He asked for short term sacrifice for long term security America laughed him off and embraced Reagan.

Today america wonders what life would be like if Carter had been heeded, dont let that be the future response to global warming.

[manicmetropolis]

war criminals? fuck off sir

[terraalert]

War criminals, yeah, that's extreme, but certainly groups that knowingly spread life threatening disinformation to increase profits should be prosecuted.

[educution]

how can you prove this 'knowingly' thang? Setting a precedent toward thought crime here. Seriousy, you want to prosecute people for communicating false information?? Who decides the truth? the department of truth? And you called Jsickert an idiot??? i might call you a misguided fascist, but i wouldn't sink so low.

[manicmetropolis]

global warming is a fraud, and no one cares about the profits, its the fraud