This man is angry because he carries a lot of guilt having been part of the 70's & 80's religious right movement that infected our political system and set civil rights back decades. In the early days of the Jesus movement few believed a generation that had once preached peace and love would ever support denouncing the rights of women and certain other American citizens, like non-Christians. It's frightening that in 21st century America women are still in danger of losing their rights over thei
i think this is a really interesting video, and his comments do make some sense, however there is an irony here for him as a practising christian, and that is - would any religion survive/thrive without the fundamentalists??, i think it's doubtfull, especially historically, i.e. he himself would not know about JC without JC's own ultra-extremism (putting himself forward for crucifixion/martydom etc). However i totally agree that another important part is religions relationship with time.
@thesunreport read his book crazy for god and you'll understand what he means "practicing Christian". since that book, he has moved even further from christianity...more of a spiritual agnostic. He is definitely a work in progress like the rest of us. Its a recovery from brainwashing...thank god for science and intelligence.
@grant1r I am angered too by stupid fundamentalists of the kind he describes. Their idiocy is worth getting angry about, particularly because it threatens our country's continued progress...don't you agree?
@grant1r his father started the religious right conservative movement... just saying (and btw, I don't see him as being angry at all... I see him as passionate and telling it like it is).
@whitebluffman Maybe not, but it fully conveys the meaning of the point he's trying to get across. I use the word frequently, even though I know is not completely correct. It just does the job so well, you know?
Armyveteran - a true heartfelt thanks to you for posting this. I saw the original broadcast but had forgotten how absolutely lucid and moving his comments were. One objection though: fundamentalists should NOT be ignored. That is how we got the last 30years of republicon politics poisoning our national debate. They must be outed and dealt with - as you so tirelessly and admirably do with your replies! If more of us took your approach we might actually start to make a dent. Thanks again!
@greenlightwilly Thank you, and sorry for the long delay in replying! I appreciate that intelligent people like you watch the videos that I post! ];-)
@bahdahdoop I was very much against the war in Iraq, and very much in favor of the war in Afghanistan. Now I still believe the Afghanistan action was necessary, but the Bush administration did not prosecute it intelligently at all, and allowed it to degenerate into something that now very much resembles a bottomless pit and a quagmire. I can't say that I support what we're doing over there much anymore because of that. My biggest frustration is that the troops have to pay the price.
the only religions I can respect are those that expresses acceptance of evidence.My intolerance for willful ignorance leaves me in opposition to to gods or magic daddys
There are people that DO believe every word of the Bible should be believed LITERALLY. I was brought up that way. These people are afraid of everything, they see the devil everywhere. They do want the end of the world to happen ASAP, because they believe they'll be spared the pain and agony. Fortunately, I have learned it is possible to believe in Christ without accepting the fundamentalist version.
@armyveteran101st well, here in europe we do have this stereotype of americans as being people without culture who only live in consumerism without any ethics.... but i cannot imagine it really is that way.... there are lots of stupid and nuts people in europe as well, trust me, fundamentalists, neo-nazis, people who hate islam etc.. look at the prime minister of my country....and that explains what mentality italians have... we are going down the crapper...and i'm moving out to germany ;) hehe
@senoner90 It is that way to an extent. The collective lack of culture and the propensity to value money more than anything else my country suffers from are indeed staggering, but that can be remedied. Religious fanaticism is much more insidious and toxic, and not so easily fixable. And then, on top of that, we suffer from an exaggerated sense of overblown American exceptionalism that makes everyone around the world hate us due to our arrogant behavior. We don't help ourselves by being that way.
i live in italy and honestly i've never met a fundamentalist christian in my life who believes in the things this guy just said... and i really cannot believe anyone to be that stupid to believe in every word of the bible...
@senoner90 I envy Europeans sometimes, because you are smarter and better educated as a collective, and therefore you don't tend to fall for the fanatical BS that prevails here in the U.S. I love my country dearly, but part of loving one's country is being able to recognize and acknowledge its flaws and shortcomings so that they can be corrected. In my view, my country's main flaw is its religion-driven willingness to embrace intolerance and willful ignorance. That does not happen in Europe.
"Bad news is good news" was exactly how I used to think when I was a christian fundamentalist. That is pathetic thinking that lacks any ethics or morality. The fact that fundamentalists want armaggedeon to come with untold suffering for millions is indeed anti-american and anti-human being. Anthropomorphic religions breed fundamentalists because when it comes down to it, it is all about their own needs and to hell (literally) with everybody else.
Fundamentalist Christians are village idiots. They are nothing more than moedern day Pharisees. They are ALL satanic. Their version of Christianity did not begin until the early 20th century. For someone to say that Fundamentalists are Christ's elect is laughable. Christ is nowhere in Christian Fundamentalism. NOWHERE.
I'm soooooo glad I was brought up in a secular household. If I hadn't been so fortunate, I may have ended up as a fundamentalist Christian monster, and completely unaware of my own ignorance!! It is terribly worrying that in this age of science, reason & progressive technology, there are literally millions of nutters out there who base their entire lives on the words of a single ancient book. Who knew that a single book could do so much damage, to so many people, for so long?
You only have to listen to Bachmann or Perry to know that fundamentalism (christian or Moslem) is a mental disease. This guy is absolutely on the money these fundamentalist GOP leaders feed on ignorance and fear - they promote it and then profit from it - I agree let these people rave just ignore them don't try and convert them ... its impossible.
religions are nothing more than a mass mind-control technique used for thousands of years to subjecate the ignorant mob in order to do the bidding of the rulling elite.
Christians (or any other religious people for that matter) are an embarrassment to humanity. To believe that over 100 billion galaxies each containing on average 100 billion stars each was created in just one 24-hour day just for us is beyond delusional. How can anyone live in the 21st century and still believe such nonsense?
The fundamental problem with Fundamentalist Christianity is Christianity. Some Christians just follow whats in the bible more closely than others. They don't cherry pick as much. It's not just some bad apples, it's the whole damn orchard.
Scaeffer is right, The GOP ("God's Own Party") has been poisoned by the GOD VIRUS. Could you get anyone more crazy that Gov. Perry. He has been so inflected with the God Virus he is beyond help. If he become President, I, as a Proud Atheist say "god" help the United Christian States of America.
Every time I've listened to Frank Schaeffer he seems very angry and even, at times, bitter. I really love his Dad, he had a good spirit about him and was enjoyable to read and listen to. And, no, I don't believe Obama is the anti-christ; but I do believe Jesus died for my sins and yours....that is enough to be considered a "Kook" by many of you. So be it...
As a Christian and a conservative Christina within my faith tradition, I have to say that I agree with him. I hate to say it, but you have to be ignorant to believe what many fundamentalists believe. Believe me, I go to church with these folks and they can be scary. Strictly from a theological standpoint and not a social or political point of view, they have completely detached from the reality of scriptural understanding. What it took the Holy Spirit 4,000 to create, they shred in one sermon.
Frank Schaeffer is correct... he is calling Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists beyond crazy! The rest of humanity and nature even are now in grave danger of becoming extinct because of their religious Christ-Psychoses.
And the US Military is infested with these kinds of Christians.
Mr. Schaeffer you are like a breath of fresh air....highly intelligent, extremely well spoken with outstanding critical thinking ability. If only we had another thousand of you to counter the insanity. Thanks for speaking out in the name of reason and rationality.
I think Jimmy Carr said it best: "Fundamental Christians believe EVERYTHING that Genesis says. I don't even think Phil Collins is that good of a drummer."
he's right. They (the fundamentalists) live in this bubble (I know I have spent years with them in bible studies) It's as if the moment they are born again they allow their IQ level to drop 100 points. And the republican party has been infected by right wing christian fundamentalists because they want votes and they want to keep their big wealthy corporate donors happy once they get into office and very little else.
I'm atheist and absolutely hate fundamentalists. But I don't hate all Christians. I respect this guy and people like this guy. He is aware of drawing a line with religion and not turning it into something crazy like the evangelists do these days.
there needs to be a movement against fundamentalist christianity. because it ruins lives. i live in the uk and in the chapels there is equally this intensely contradictorary "love" that is taught to young children and I struggle even now as an educated man to free myself from the fears they implanted in me. If there was a Jesus, he would be ashamed.
@monkeycrud I couldn't agree with you more, my friend! Just look at the current state of my country. The U.S. is in the situation it is in in great part due to the stupidity of a simplistic, brainwashed "born-again" clown and a bunch of mindless fundamentalist zealots that governed based on their extreme religious beliefs during the Bush administration, no ifs, ands, or buts. Their hostility towards science and their rejection of history and reality can't be justified in any other way.
Well one of the fundamentals of Christianity is tolerance of others cultures beliefs and the fact that as part of nature they have a right to live and survive in nature as natural beings...
It's Nature and the natural the lay of the land and the law f the lord...
In America we have a republican form of government and a "Representative" form of democracy as a function of the republic not as a competing party so history and theology are a good start and participating in
@monkeycrud I don't think fundamentalist christians ruin anyone else's lives besides their own ones.... and anyone is free to destroy his own life, i really don't care about it...
I thank god for great men like Nate Phelps and Frank Schaeffer! As someone who grew up in the proto-fascist fundamentalist movement, these estranged men are doing a great service by calling out the lunatic fringe that exists in the Republican party.
Libertarians and moderate Republicans should look into voting for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul in the Republican primaries. Purge your party of religious fanatics, and you'll have a stronger alliance with some Dems and independents.
I agree with almost everything Schaeffer says, except for at the end, when he says there are no Republicans with the moral standards to move past the fundamentalism. That is a generalization that surely leaves out at least a few people somewhere within the Republican party. Some people are Republicans solely because of their economic views and not because of their religion. These people couldn't possibly be automatically labeled as Schaeffer labels them.
What a disappointing men this is! He is demeaning people far above himself. Why is he so angry? Name calling does NOT equate with FACTS! Frankie Schaeffer... go home to your Daddy and get the wisdom and insight he had. The only reason you have anyone listening to you is because of your father's good name! I'm sorry for you!
@revroy1204 People "far above himself"?? Really? Why are those people above Schaeffer, according to you? Is it because they choose to be delusional and believe in the supernatural fiction put forth by evangelicals? Are you one of them? If you are, you need to get your head out of your ass and start respecting other people's opinions. What are the facts, according to you? Schaeffer is not demeaning anybody here who doesn't deserve to be. Willfully delusional people ought to be ridiculed.
Your choice of language and attitude is unfortunate and is an indicator that I cannot carry on a reasonable discussion with you. Clean up your language, deal with the anger - perhaps Frances Schaeffer's teaching can help! I am well educated with degrees in physics and mathematics and deal with facts and truth..NOT name calling and rude language. Sorry!
@roymel2007 Arrogant fundamentalists such as yourself deserve nothing else. If you're going to come to one of my videos to try to push your delusional beliefs on me by force, you need to be prepared to deal with the consequences. You religious types think you can go around forcing your beliefs on people, and nothing could be more arrogant or despicable. If you were truly educated you'd understand why this practice of yours is so offensive. Either way, consider yourself blocked. Have a nice day.
@armyveteran101st Thank you so much for this video. Frank Schaeffer is my hero, too. I may be wrong but I think roymel2007 was addressing revroy1204 not Mr. Schaeffer.
@armyveteran101st Block me too. I know you will 'cos you are a hypocrite who is obviously afraid of debate with Christians. I consider people like you to be intolerant fascists.
@southwoodside Negative on both counts. I'll debate anyone at any time, and I'll win. I have nothing against Christians who are reasonable in their practice of religion. I have a problem with unreasonable zealots who have been brainwashed into becoming true intolerant fascists, and I've met many of those. If someone looks down on me only because I happen to believe in a different religion, or to not believe in any religion at all, that someone is the true definition of an intolerant fascist.
@roymel2007 You claimed people were "far above" Frank Schaeffer yet provided no evidence for this claim and attack the armyveteran for calling you out on this. Where are YOUR facts? Just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact. Frank Schaeffer is listened to because he has plenty of intelligent, reasoned, and factual things to say, unlike the fundamentalist evangelicals who spew a warped version of Christianity filled with hate and fear.
Do you honestly expect such politicians to make rational decisions based on imperfect or corrupted information when they cannot do the same with well documented and understood topics (such as the age of the Earth or evolution) ?
@pubicteeth Yes, that's an interesting phenomenon as well. All these so-called "gospel of prosperity" charlatans that are out there taking gullible people's money really take the cake, don't they? Their mere existence is a very unfortunate testament to the stupidity that abounds in America.
@pubicteeth Americans are not to blame exclusively. Go to any country in Latin America and you'll find millions who believe that the Earth came into being 6,000 years ago, that men and dinosaurs co-existed at some point within that time frame, and that a woman named Mary got magically impregnated by a supernatural entity, giving birth to a half-human, half supernatural being that could raise the dead. Fundamentalism is alive and well in the U.S., but it exists in other regions of the world too.
There is hope. I was a village idiot. The solution was to really look into the Bible and find everything that is wrong with it. Now i'm an atheist in a sea of crazies.
@spartacandream I am an atheist too, but I believe you can find wisdom in the Bible if you read it from a dispassionate and reasoned perspective, as opposed to interpreting its content literally as most religious people do. The same goes for the Qur’an, the Torah, etc. It would be impossible for at least a smidge of wisdom not to have made it into these texts over the millennia. The problem is that people let their judgment become clouded by extreme zealotry and unthinking fundamentalism.
@armyveteran101st As a piece of literature, the Bible is a masterpiece. Yeah, it does have some good wisdom in it. Just look at Ecclesiastes. What I meant is that following the Bible as your sole moral code, the basis of your morality, is what's wrong considering the crap found alongside those instances where you find wisdom. I agree that zealotry is a huge problem, but also a lack of reason.
I absolutely agree that fundamentalism is by far the worst that religion has to offer, but I would disagree that there is much good in religion. In general, the bible is a hateful book that tells you genocide, slavery, and many other horrid things are okay if "god" tells you it's okay. I think it is dangerous that so many people accept this book without ever actually reading it, and I especially hate that people accept it without any proof that it's real. Sorry, but it is total myth.
The majority of biblical scholars, theologists and even the Vatican (Oct 2006) now admit that the story of Adam & Eve is allegorical, and evolution is a fact. No Adam & Eve - no forbidden fruit. No forbidden fruit - no original sin. No original sin - nature and Man not fallen. If Man is not fallen - what need of a savior? Jesus is unnecessary and irrelevant. That destroys the foundation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. That should be the end of it. Precisely, concisely, and nicely.
Those who use their faith as a lever on the credulous deserve nothing but distain. It is the fundamentalist/apologist charlatans that convince the credulous to terrorize the humanity into submission. The evidence is all there if only people will use their rational, critical, skeptical, and scientific minds instead of following blindly.
Frank Schaeffer displays appalling arrogance here. He likes to paint with broad strokes, lump all biblically-minded people together, associate them with the real zealots, and then hop up and down that we need to be stopped. And this "evangelicals are anti-intellectual " mantra is tired and "frankly" repulsive.
@musicappreciate Schaeffer is absolutely right, and you missed the boat, because he is doing nothing of the kind. All "biblically-minded people" are not fanatical zealots, and that is what you are implying here. You are the one making dumb generalizations. Maybe you are one of these idiots who take the bible literally and think the world came about only 6,000 years ago. That kind of willful ignorance is the only repulsive quality, and you seem to be displaying it quite comfortably.
@musicappreciate Nah! You earned the crazy, so OWN IT! and if you don't like his freedom of expression THEN YOU CAN LEAVE!!! Here's the FUCKING DOOR! and a one way ticket FROM Ellis Island to the Middle East. WE WANT YOU OUT! You and your CULT OF INSANITY are no longer welcome and quite frankly your anti-American Christo-fascist agenda will NO LONGER be tolerated. Now YOU'RE going to find out what it feels like to be the outsider. YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES ANY MORE, GOT THAT!!! WE DO!
Im surprised at the end when he said that no one in the republican party has the intelligence or moral code to stand against this when you have Ron Paul :)
Ron Paul is the messiah. (oh wait no he's not he's a very naughty boy - if you are the federal reserve)
@sinwow33 Has Ron Paul actively come out against these fanatical fruit-loops in the extreme Right? I don't know, particularly from examining what his son Rand says and how he behaves. I've always had very strong doubts about Ron Paul.
*laughs* Ron Paul and Rand Paul are heavily racist. But what I think is the funniest is that if the Paul's want to go anywhere in the Republican Party they have two choices. Start toeing the party line (And I so hope they do, just so I can point and laugh when the Paulies start sucking up to the fundies and such.) Or they can be replaced by Mitt Romney.
Now don't get me wrong, I bet the right-wing LOVES libertards. I mean these clowns are actually PRO corporate rule! The fundies you have to TRICK into it. But the libertards are raring to run of that cliff! They LOVE it! They think nothing should impede corporations, because they think that's freedom.
However the libertards, no matter how loud they are on the internet are a teeny minority.
The answer is probably not because there is no reasoning with these people. He summed it up well when he said some people are brought up to reject facts.
These people are village idiots and it just peddles hate.
It is hillarious that they do not realise that their hate is diametrically opposed to the teachings of christianity which teaches acceptance and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
This is the single issue that drove me out of the GOP. I am a libertarian because I am offended by both parties. I can't believe in 2010 that they want to teach my children that creationism is a more reasonable explanation for our existence than is evolution (they really believe in talking snakes and other such nonsense). If we could get rid of religion, we'd advance much farther and be much happier and I'd be a republican.
I'll take it a step further and say that the bible is a load of shit written by people who didnt know that the world is a ball that hangs in the sky, and it was compiled for purely political reasons. Anyone foolish enough to take any of it into consideration when making decisions in their life is incompetent.
Thank God for the Fundamentalism movement in America. When times on the early 20's were theologically murky. Somebody had to speak up in defense. We still live in theologically murky times and we could sure use another "fundy" shot in the arm.
people need to chill out, this guy isnt bashing christianity per se, but fundamentalism. If he was in a muslim country bashing muslims, he's be killed before he left the news station. Fundamentalism of any kind is the poison needing to be purged. People who use religion to improve their lives are cool, people who use their religion to ruin other people lives are straight up evil. Pretty much every religion preaches the same good values; when people get carried away it becomes poison
@42ER0TH That is one of the most reasonable and lucid comments I've seen on any of my videos in a very long time. You are a voice of reason, my friend! Thanks for watching! ];-)
@42ER0TH Exactly! Schaeffer is an Orthodox Christian, when he is speaking on the topic of Orthodoxy you can see he is certainly not critical of Christian, just of the American fundamentalist Christian culture.
@armyveteran101st , a law of physics tell us that a body at rest will stay at rest unless force is applied to cause it to move. It's indisputable and unalterable.
Where did earth and the other planets derive the force to cause the motion which caused the gravity that's kept everything in order for how many billion years?
Hey Frank! You say that you are a Christian? Let's examine what you believe, then. Do you believe that a man named Jesus walked on water? Did he rise from the dead? Did he ascend to heaven on a cloud? Did he do miracles?
@Entropy56 I'm certainly not an idiot, and I do believe in the teachings of Jesus. However, I do not believe that Jesus walked on water, or that he multiplied the fish, or that he brought the dead back to life, or that he was born of a virgin. When people lose their ability to reason and think critically in order to start relying solely on blind faith society has a HUGE problem on its hands. In case you didn't get the memo, the Dark Ages ended more than 500 years ago. Get with the program.
@armyveteran101st Are you saying that Americans did not believe in the literal biblical miracles in the past?
Furthermore, do you know that Calvinists, believe that God causes everything?
Do you know that Obama sat under Rev Wright for years listening to his racist Black Liberation Theology?
Do you agree with, "God Damn America!"?
There is so much hate in Frank Schaeffer that is all he does is attack those he disagrees with. Calling the Tea Party people racist is a slanderous lie.
@Entropy56 I told you what I believe, not what anyone else believes. Wright is old news and part of a pretty disingenuous attempt to discredit the President, and that attempt went nowhere, so you're going to have to come up with something more intelligent. Schaeffer is absolutely right in his assertions, and the fact that you're so offended by his opinions shows me that you are one of those mindless clowns he is referring to, therefore I cannot take you seriously. Reverend Wright my ass!
I am an ex-Fundamental like Frankie (as he used to be called) Schaeffer. I saw him and his father speak at an all day conference many years ago. I’ve read many of his father’s books and two of Frankie’s books and two films. I know exactly what I am talking about.
I am now an Atheist and know what the problems are in religion. But, I am more interested in policy than Frank’s slanderous remarks. He is a liar.
@Entropy56 He's not a liar, as he is stating his opinion. And he is not committing slander either, as he is directing his remarks towards a wide segment of the population as opposed to directing them towards a specific, easily identifiable person. The fact that you have some unknown reason to dislike the guy and his opinions doesn't make him a liar or a slanderer. Funny that you support those who would inject fanatical extremism into policy while demonizing a guy for expressing his opinions!
@armyveteran101st ,religion is way too complex and personal to argue with anyone over it. And to die for it is downright ludicrous because a zealot dies for something unprovable. Or maybe to bang 72 virgins in heaven providing the broads aren't fat enough to fall through the clouds. These male Islamists sure have a vivid imagination. Can you imagine living in Saudi Arabia and waking up one morning to find one billion fat pussies dotting the entire Arabian peninsula? Call it "Arab Cloudburst."
@armyveteran101st , to be a good Catholic, one must like to kneel before statues which is exactly what God forbade in the first of the Ten Comandments. One stature is Jesus. One is Mary. One is Saint Hooha, the Patron saint of "Desperate Housewives." What kinda crap is this. Wafers and wine? Nonsense. At Passover dinner, Jews don't eat leavened bread. It's MATZOH. Why don't priests realize this at communion?Jesus said, "Drink of my blood?" Bull. Jewish law forbade drinking blood. What mythology.
@39rc6cf Precisely, my friend. All religions are nothing but a study in fallacy and contradictions that make man submit to his lowest instincts and to the most ignominious state of willful ignorance. I believe that the worst thing that ever happened to Humankind was the advent of religion.
@armyveteran101st ,but what amazes me is this: we know that truth lives while lies die. It explains why Judaism is still here after 5,000 years. If the story of Jesus were 100% phony, then how come, after 2000 years, one man has so changed the world forever? How could a myth become so overwhelmingly important? The problem is that if Jesus did live, preach & die, his actions have been and still are mininterpreted by so many of his followers. All these groups & splinter groups? Which is right?
@39rc6cf I actually believe that Jesus did exist. I think he was a social activist, a community organizer, and maybe a political figure who ended up getting in the way of the Jewish elites who were colluded with their Roman rulers, and that's why they had him killed. I think he was a relevant figure of his time, and I also think that those who wrote the Bible over the span of a thousand years added considerable to his story until they turned him into what he is today. I agree with you.
@39rc6cf LOL, that's the standard reply I get whenever I express my opinions about Jesus. I didn't mean to link the two, but I have always honestly believed that Jesus was a very influential and charismatic social activist who ended up becoming a thorn on the side for the Jewish elites of his day. Many true and caring leaders share that characteristic. Look at MLK, Gandhi, or Nelson Mandela. These were social activists who became transformational social leaders, just like Jesus did.
@armyveteran101st , so then we can assume that Jesus was just like any other man. I'd say that everything else surrounding him is mythological bullshit? Do you agree? After all, all these miracles and stuff had to come from somewhere and I say from the minds of Greeks. But then again, if it was all bullshit, then why hasn't it "petered" out over the past 2000 years? How could all 1.5 billion adherents be so freaking lamebrained?
@39rc6cf I would say the supernatural abilities attributed to Jesus are the result of centuries worth of a multitude of people adding on to the Bible and embellishing it. Organized religion has an uncanny ability to indoctrinate people, and that is why the whole thing hasn't "petered" out yet. However, we're starting to see encouraging signs of enlightenment. For instance, Catholicism loses followers everyday, and that's positive. Hope the same starts happening with Islam and Judaism soon.
@armyveteran101st ,but Frank, if religion disappears, then on whom else will we be able to pin our bad luck? God is so convenient, wouldn't you agree?
@39rc6cf No such thing as bad luck. Most of the bad things that happen to us are of of our own making, consequences of bad decisions and bad behaviors. Yes, religion provides a very convenient scapegoat to those who refuse to take full responsibility for their own lives. Having an imaginary supernatural entity on whom to blame your troubles can be very comforting when you keep screwing up left and right and making a general ass out of yourself, I guess. I see devout people doing this every day.
@armyveteran101st ,Frank, I read Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas. There are five postulates on the existence of God. The first is called "the immovable mover." Let's assume God did NOT create the universe. Let's assume that our solar system developed from the big bang theory. Question: in order for us to survive, earth has to rotate 360 deg.on its own axis once daily. Plus earth has to travel elliptically around the sun every 365 days. Who caused the motion?
I'm still looking for the proof that he existed at all. He would have lived during a time when society was documented. That's how we know about Herod and Nero (the bible says he was born under both of them?). Why is it that the only thing Christians can come up with to document this miracle worker (outside of the bible) is an interpolation of Josephus. This guy would have been making news every day... yet nothing.
@alinator11, is the anti-Christ like antifreeze? There is no proof that Jesus ever lived but can the whole world be so stupid as to worship a myth for 2000 years?
Who knows? Who cares? Some people get highs from a Hershey bar. Others get it from a "Jesus bar." Or maybe the Hebrews were seeing aliens from outer space? Maybe when a woo woo leader said he'd return one day, then it was misinterpreted as Christ's return? Maybe von Daniken is 100% right?
I care. Yes, the whole world (the whole world certainly does not believe in the myth) can believe myths and hold dear to them for a long time. The reason I care is that people who hold to these beliefs vote. They spread ignorance - are even compelled to do so. Ignorance is not going to get us anywhere. Denying things like evolution or looking for the holes in C14 dating or challenging whale evolution... just serve to hold us back as a people.
@alinator11, my friend, what ever floats our boats, let 'em float. Do you think it's totally impossible that evolution and God can exist simultaneously? Or maybe all this stuff truly is beyond human comprehension? I agree; denying evolution is beyond stupid however there are so many unexplainable phenomena, I find it impossible to think everything happened by accident. Evangelical Christianity? I don't espouse or hate it. I know E.Cs and they're nice to me & I give them matzoh balls as gifts.
I care. Yes, the whole world (the whole world certainly does not believe in the myth) can believe myths and hold dear to them for a long time. The reason I care is that people who hold to these beliefs vote. They spread ignorance - are even compelled to do so. Ignorance is not going to get us anywhere. Denying things like evolution or looking for the holes in C14 dating or challenging whale evolution... just serve to hold us back.
Okay, so he doesn't like Fundamental Christians. People are free to believe what they want. So what specific political policies does he disagree with? He can bitch all he wants, but can he enumerate actual and tangible policies that are harmful to the country? He is just a hateful person. I could just as well say that homosexuals who ram their penis into filthy butt-holes are not qualified to be taken seriously either.
@Entropy56 Wrong. You obviously missed the point of the whole conversation. When you have fundamentalists of any religious belief attempting to incorporate elements of their extreme religions into governmental practices and policies you have a very serious problem. These fundamentalists intend for everyone else to submit to their extremism for the sake of religious belief, and nothing could be more tyrannical or dangerous to a free society. Watch the video again, and pay attention this time.
@Entropy56 EVERYTHING that republicans want to enact if they achieve a congressional majority is motivated by religious extremism. Pick any part of their agenda and you'll have your example.
@armyveteran101st Joe Biden is a Catholic. JFK was a Catholic. Many people in the Federal government are Catholic. Do you know the official position of the Catholic Church on miracles? Should they be disqualified? Be consistent.
McCarthyism is alive and well today.
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Catholic Church?"
“Are you now, or have you ever been a Fundamentalit?"
@Entropy56 Considering that you are one of those village idiots Schaeffer talks about, I'm not surprised by your veiled attack on Catholics. I couldn't care less about what Catholics think or believe, because to me they are as unthinking and mindless as you are. As to whether you are a racist, or a homophobe, or both, that is for you to decide and live with. Nothing you've said here rises to the level of Schaeffer's mental clarity, period.
He's completely on point. A person who believes in an anti-Christ, or that Armageddon would be a good thing, holds at least one superstitious belief that is outright crazy.
I'm not saying that our hypothetical religious person is all-the-way crazy, but we know that he or she has a tenuous and conditional relationship with reality.
The ten commandments say that you must keep the sabbath, ie NO WORK. The fundementalists demand that the bible must be taken literally. Leviticus states that the law of the bible is that any found working on the sabbath MUST be put to DEATH. How utterly moronic.
Yeah, the are fundalmentalist Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Buddist, Atheists, and Santanist. Funalmentalist everything, if you stick to a point and don't give in or a moral or value of any type you are now called a fundalmentalist. Really hard to believe.
Racist Christian fucks, period. They don't wanna admit to being racist, 'cause it's un-pc, but they are. Dumb-arsed white Christian drones who cannot cope with a black man as president.
@39rc6cf The evangelical church I grew up in didn't think so. I used to hear them make comments like, "So and So is Catholic? I didn't know that! I thought they were Christians!" So now that I'm considering converting to Catholicism, I'm sure they think I am losing my faith and my salvation.
*sighs* At first I was wondering what channel this was on? No real network would broadcast this, but then I saw MsNBC at the top and looked on in disbelief. First, it should be pointed out that this is some seriously bad generalizing. His views are like a racist coming on television and saying, "hey ALL blacks are idiots" or another one saying "ALL whites are morons." Second, there's no rebuttal, no one to speak against his horrible claims. Just one guy, who's view is being recieved as fact.
@robdmccoy You missed the boat, just as most people who watch this video do. Schaeffer wasn't generalizing. He was referring to the lunatic fringe on the fundamentalist side, and he was absolutely on point.
Yes, it's time to ignore fundamentalists concerns and opinions, just like we ignore the opinions and assertions of other insane people in politics and public life.
You have to be careful. There is such a thing called christian cults like Mormonism, Jehova witnesses, seventh day ad, With that said in 1 John it says if you are a Christian you will love all people but especially other Christians. Mr. Schaeffer should examine himself and read the scriptures again.
@86durell "you will love all people but especially other Christians" he's not talking about love, he's talking about moving beyond giving a damn about the opinions of pepole who think the earth is 6000 years old. it's way past time that they should be completely ignored. it's time to move past them, lest we lose even more of our status as the most advanced nation in the developed world.
@Jesus*****Horse**** When you use offensive language in your username, you should expect censorship when others who do not wish to use offensive language in their posts when replying to your comments. I may not be a "Christian", but your username and the contents of the post that I am responding to are very offensive to me. It's doubtful that your comment had any positive effect on anyone here.
Evangelicals piss me off.
Dorkus89Malorkus 2 weeks ago
I would love to see a debate between Frank Schaeffer and Franklin Graham.
lucasboden 2 weeks ago
This man is angry because he carries a lot of guilt having been part of the 70's & 80's religious right movement that infected our political system and set civil rights back decades. In the early days of the Jesus movement few believed a generation that had once preached peace and love would ever support denouncing the rights of women and certain other American citizens, like non-Christians. It's frightening that in 21st century America women are still in danger of losing their rights over thei
gematria79 3 weeks ago
It's absolutely fantastic that the son of the one of the founders of the Religious Right is now a moderate Christian. That is progress.
x1y12239 3 weeks ago 3
Bloody extremists!
NATOFidelis 1 month ago
i think this is a really interesting video, and his comments do make some sense, however there is an irony here for him as a practising christian, and that is - would any religion survive/thrive without the fundamentalists??, i think it's doubtfull, especially historically, i.e. he himself would not know about JC without JC's own ultra-extremism (putting himself forward for crucifixion/martydom etc). However i totally agree that another important part is religions relationship with time.
thesunreport 1 month ago
@thesunreport read his book crazy for god and you'll understand what he means "practicing Christian". since that book, he has moved even further from christianity...more of a spiritual agnostic. He is definitely a work in progress like the rest of us. Its a recovery from brainwashing...thank god for science and intelligence.
fmrfnd 3 days ago
Frank Schaeffer is awfully angry. I wonder what made him tick?
grant1r 1 month ago
@grant1r I am angered too by stupid fundamentalists of the kind he describes. Their idiocy is worth getting angry about, particularly because it threatens our country's continued progress...don't you agree?
armyveteran101st 1 month ago 9
@armyveteran101st yes,they are very stupid!!
nicenonya3 1 week ago
@grant1r his father started the religious right conservative movement... just saying (and btw, I don't see him as being angry at all... I see him as passionate and telling it like it is).
mortgagecommitments 3 weeks ago
@grant1r - He does come off a little abrasive but I think he's just an intense person. The thing is, he's right.
mumzee52 2 weeks ago
he makes a great point, but he said "stupider" ...lol . thats not even a real word.
whitebluffman 1 month ago
@whitebluffman Maybe not, but it fully conveys the meaning of the point he's trying to get across. I use the word frequently, even though I know is not completely correct. It just does the job so well, you know?
armyveteran101st 1 month ago 3
Frank hit the nail on the head here!!
franknhonest 1 month ago 2
Armyveteran - a true heartfelt thanks to you for posting this. I saw the original broadcast but had forgotten how absolutely lucid and moving his comments were. One objection though: fundamentalists should NOT be ignored. That is how we got the last 30years of republicon politics poisoning our national debate. They must be outed and dealt with - as you so tirelessly and admirably do with your replies! If more of us took your approach we might actually start to make a dent. Thanks again!
greenlightwilly 2 months ago
@greenlightwilly Thank you, and sorry for the long delay in replying! I appreciate that intelligent people like you watch the videos that I post! ];-)
armyveteran101st 1 month ago
HELP! THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY EXTREMISTS
HatterMadigan 2 months ago
armyveteran101st, i bet you're against the war, aren't you
bahdahdoop 2 months ago
@bahdahdoop I was very much against the war in Iraq, and very much in favor of the war in Afghanistan. Now I still believe the Afghanistan action was necessary, but the Bush administration did not prosecute it intelligently at all, and allowed it to degenerate into something that now very much resembles a bottomless pit and a quagmire. I can't say that I support what we're doing over there much anymore because of that. My biggest frustration is that the troops have to pay the price.
armyveteran101st 2 months ago
the only religions I can respect are those that expresses acceptance of evidence.My intolerance for willful ignorance leaves me in opposition to to gods or magic daddys
mildjohn 2 months ago
my faith in America is restored!
XtremeBratmaxe 2 months ago
A village can't re-organize village life to suit the village idiot.
^THIS
SarahLee1 3 months ago
There are people that DO believe every word of the Bible should be believed LITERALLY. I was brought up that way. These people are afraid of everything, they see the devil everywhere. They do want the end of the world to happen ASAP, because they believe they'll be spared the pain and agony. Fortunately, I have learned it is possible to believe in Christ without accepting the fundamentalist version.
ronfowlermusic 3 months ago
@armyveteran101st well, here in europe we do have this stereotype of americans as being people without culture who only live in consumerism without any ethics.... but i cannot imagine it really is that way.... there are lots of stupid and nuts people in europe as well, trust me, fundamentalists, neo-nazis, people who hate islam etc.. look at the prime minister of my country....and that explains what mentality italians have... we are going down the crapper...and i'm moving out to germany ;) hehe
senoner90 4 months ago 4
@senoner90 It is that way to an extent. The collective lack of culture and the propensity to value money more than anything else my country suffers from are indeed staggering, but that can be remedied. Religious fanaticism is much more insidious and toxic, and not so easily fixable. And then, on top of that, we suffer from an exaggerated sense of overblown American exceptionalism that makes everyone around the world hate us due to our arrogant behavior. We don't help ourselves by being that way.
armyveteran101st 4 months ago 3
i live in italy and honestly i've never met a fundamentalist christian in my life who believes in the things this guy just said... and i really cannot believe anyone to be that stupid to believe in every word of the bible...
senoner90 4 months ago
@senoner90 I envy Europeans sometimes, because you are smarter and better educated as a collective, and therefore you don't tend to fall for the fanatical BS that prevails here in the U.S. I love my country dearly, but part of loving one's country is being able to recognize and acknowledge its flaws and shortcomings so that they can be corrected. In my view, my country's main flaw is its religion-driven willingness to embrace intolerance and willful ignorance. That does not happen in Europe.
armyveteran101st 4 months ago
@senoner90 Trust me, they're out there... everywhere.
Andy152R 2 months ago
"Bad news is good news" was exactly how I used to think when I was a christian fundamentalist. That is pathetic thinking that lacks any ethics or morality. The fact that fundamentalists want armaggedeon to come with untold suffering for millions is indeed anti-american and anti-human being. Anthropomorphic religions breed fundamentalists because when it comes down to it, it is all about their own needs and to hell (literally) with everybody else.
DeDona1 4 months ago
they inpose those belive systems on children and children take everything they hear as a truth and that is where the problem is.
smallpotatoes989 4 months ago
Fundamentalist Christians are village idiots. They are nothing more than moedern day Pharisees. They are ALL satanic. Their version of Christianity did not begin until the early 20th century. For someone to say that Fundamentalists are Christ's elect is laughable. Christ is nowhere in Christian Fundamentalism. NOWHERE.
HomeSkillet489 4 months ago 4
I'm soooooo glad I was brought up in a secular household. If I hadn't been so fortunate, I may have ended up as a fundamentalist Christian monster, and completely unaware of my own ignorance!! It is terribly worrying that in this age of science, reason & progressive technology, there are literally millions of nutters out there who base their entire lives on the words of a single ancient book. Who knew that a single book could do so much damage, to so many people, for so long?
jaylias 4 months ago 2
Frank Youre spot on!!!
smith077906 4 months ago
You only have to listen to Bachmann or Perry to know that fundamentalism (christian or Moslem) is a mental disease. This guy is absolutely on the money these fundamentalist GOP leaders feed on ignorance and fear - they promote it and then profit from it - I agree let these people rave just ignore them don't try and convert them ... its impossible.
vohshkab 5 months ago
I like this guy!
KingofTheMafia 5 months ago
religions are nothing more than a mass mind-control technique used for thousands of years to subjecate the ignorant mob in order to do the bidding of the rulling elite.
mdaskal2000 5 months ago
Christians (or any other religious people for that matter) are an embarrassment to humanity. To believe that over 100 billion galaxies each containing on average 100 billion stars each was created in just one 24-hour day just for us is beyond delusional. How can anyone live in the 21st century and still believe such nonsense?
ddiver2005 6 months ago 4
@ddiver2005
-"How can anyone live in the 21st century and still believe such nonsense?"-
Through decades of social stigma, intimidation and some state support.
JonathanTheAlchemist 2 months ago
This is a great video I think he has it right now a days the fundi is the village idiot.
GodKillerAtheist 6 months ago
The fundamental problem with Fundamentalist Christianity is Christianity. Some Christians just follow whats in the bible more closely than others. They don't cherry pick as much. It's not just some bad apples, it's the whole damn orchard.
MasterAdam100 6 months ago
Scaeffer is right, The GOP ("God's Own Party") has been poisoned by the GOD VIRUS. Could you get anyone more crazy that Gov. Perry. He has been so inflected with the God Virus he is beyond help. If he become President, I, as a Proud Atheist say "god" help the United Christian States of America.
YMNTWTANKH 6 months ago
Every time I've listened to Frank Schaeffer he seems very angry and even, at times, bitter. I really love his Dad, he had a good spirit about him and was enjoyable to read and listen to. And, no, I don't believe Obama is the anti-christ; but I do believe Jesus died for my sins and yours....that is enough to be considered a "Kook" by many of you. So be it...
ee353402 6 months ago
As a Christian and a conservative Christina within my faith tradition, I have to say that I agree with him. I hate to say it, but you have to be ignorant to believe what many fundamentalists believe. Believe me, I go to church with these folks and they can be scary. Strictly from a theological standpoint and not a social or political point of view, they have completely detached from the reality of scriptural understanding. What it took the Holy Spirit 4,000 to create, they shred in one sermon.
xorn96 6 months ago 2
@xorn96 It's even worse because they're trying to ruin other peoples' lives on something for which there is not sufficient evidence for.
tazer95 6 months ago
Frank Schaeffer is correct... he is calling Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists beyond crazy! The rest of humanity and nature even are now in grave danger of becoming extinct because of their religious Christ-Psychoses.
And the US Military is infested with these kinds of Christians.
EdM021 6 months ago 4
Mr. Schaeffer you are like a breath of fresh air....highly intelligent, extremely well spoken with outstanding critical thinking ability. If only we had another thousand of you to counter the insanity. Thanks for speaking out in the name of reason and rationality.
Bemis29 6 months ago
"Can Christianity be rescued from the Christians...." Probably not.... I like this guy!
ChuckyJesus666 6 months ago 2
I think Jimmy Carr said it best: "Fundamental Christians believe EVERYTHING that Genesis says. I don't even think Phil Collins is that good of a drummer."
geneolune 7 months ago
he's right. They (the fundamentalists) live in this bubble (I know I have spent years with them in bible studies) It's as if the moment they are born again they allow their IQ level to drop 100 points. And the republican party has been infected by right wing christian fundamentalists because they want votes and they want to keep their big wealthy corporate donors happy once they get into office and very little else.
dukehen78 7 months ago
"Amen brother!"
stillbornist 7 months ago
I'm atheist and absolutely hate fundamentalists. But I don't hate all Christians. I respect this guy and people like this guy. He is aware of drawing a line with religion and not turning it into something crazy like the evangelists do these days.
Nathanis23 7 months ago
This guy is a fucking legend.
133maxiboy 7 months ago
there needs to be a movement against fundamentalist christianity. because it ruins lives. i live in the uk and in the chapels there is equally this intensely contradictorary "love" that is taught to young children and I struggle even now as an educated man to free myself from the fears they implanted in me. If there was a Jesus, he would be ashamed.
monkeycrud 7 months ago 19
@monkeycrud I couldn't agree with you more, my friend! Just look at the current state of my country. The U.S. is in the situation it is in in great part due to the stupidity of a simplistic, brainwashed "born-again" clown and a bunch of mindless fundamentalist zealots that governed based on their extreme religious beliefs during the Bush administration, no ifs, ands, or buts. Their hostility towards science and their rejection of history and reality can't be justified in any other way.
armyveteran101st 7 months ago 10
@monkeycrud
Well one of the fundamentals of Christianity is tolerance of others cultures beliefs and the fact that as part of nature they have a right to live and survive in nature as natural beings...
It's Nature and the natural the lay of the land and the law f the lord...
In America we have a republican form of government and a "Representative" form of democracy as a function of the republic not as a competing party so history and theology are a good start and participating in
discussions.
JonesArmandoHoward 7 months ago
@monkeycrud I don't think fundamentalist christians ruin anyone else's lives besides their own ones.... and anyone is free to destroy his own life, i really don't care about it...
senoner90 4 months ago
I thank god for great men like Nate Phelps and Frank Schaeffer! As someone who grew up in the proto-fascist fundamentalist movement, these estranged men are doing a great service by calling out the lunatic fringe that exists in the Republican party.
Libertarians and moderate Republicans should look into voting for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul in the Republican primaries. Purge your party of religious fanatics, and you'll have a stronger alliance with some Dems and independents.
rosiechanel 8 months ago
a lot of coments...good
,..I think hes right
MrYumiest 8 months ago
I agree with almost everything Schaeffer says, except for at the end, when he says there are no Republicans with the moral standards to move past the fundamentalism. That is a generalization that surely leaves out at least a few people somewhere within the Republican party. Some people are Republicans solely because of their economic views and not because of their religion. These people couldn't possibly be automatically labeled as Schaeffer labels them.
swim4scofield 9 months ago
WHO CARE WHAT PEOPLE FROM NEW JERSEY THINK?!?!?!?!?
MrSlm1982 9 months ago
What a disappointing men this is! He is demeaning people far above himself. Why is he so angry? Name calling does NOT equate with FACTS! Frankie Schaeffer... go home to your Daddy and get the wisdom and insight he had. The only reason you have anyone listening to you is because of your father's good name! I'm sorry for you!
revroy1204 10 months ago
@revroy1204 People "far above himself"?? Really? Why are those people above Schaeffer, according to you? Is it because they choose to be delusional and believe in the supernatural fiction put forth by evangelicals? Are you one of them? If you are, you need to get your head out of your ass and start respecting other people's opinions. What are the facts, according to you? Schaeffer is not demeaning anybody here who doesn't deserve to be. Willfully delusional people ought to be ridiculed.
armyveteran101st 10 months ago 42
Dear Sir,
Your choice of language and attitude is unfortunate and is an indicator that I cannot carry on a reasonable discussion with you. Clean up your language, deal with the anger - perhaps Frances Schaeffer's teaching can help! I am well educated with degrees in physics and mathematics and deal with facts and truth..NOT name calling and rude language. Sorry!
roymel2007 10 months ago
@roymel2007 Arrogant fundamentalists such as yourself deserve nothing else. If you're going to come to one of my videos to try to push your delusional beliefs on me by force, you need to be prepared to deal with the consequences. You religious types think you can go around forcing your beliefs on people, and nothing could be more arrogant or despicable. If you were truly educated you'd understand why this practice of yours is so offensive. Either way, consider yourself blocked. Have a nice day.
armyveteran101st 10 months ago 32
@armyveteran101st Thank you so much for this video. Frank Schaeffer is my hero, too. I may be wrong but I think roymel2007 was addressing revroy1204 not Mr. Schaeffer.
JamSpring 6 months ago
@armyveteran101st Block me too. I know you will 'cos you are a hypocrite who is obviously afraid of debate with Christians. I consider people like you to be intolerant fascists.
southwoodside 6 months ago
@southwoodside Negative on both counts. I'll debate anyone at any time, and I'll win. I have nothing against Christians who are reasonable in their practice of religion. I have a problem with unreasonable zealots who have been brainwashed into becoming true intolerant fascists, and I've met many of those. If someone looks down on me only because I happen to believe in a different religion, or to not believe in any religion at all, that someone is the true definition of an intolerant fascist.
armyveteran101st 6 months ago 2
@roymel2007 too bad all your education hasn't taught you how to deal with normal people.
makeitrain47 7 months ago
@roymel2007 You claimed people were "far above" Frank Schaeffer yet provided no evidence for this claim and attack the armyveteran for calling you out on this. Where are YOUR facts? Just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact. Frank Schaeffer is listened to because he has plenty of intelligent, reasoned, and factual things to say, unlike the fundamentalist evangelicals who spew a warped version of Christianity filled with hate and fear.
1Lmaris 6 months ago
@roymel2007 "I am well educated with degrees in physics and mathematics"
No one believes you.
fdasherv 3 months ago
@revroy1204
Do you honestly expect such politicians to make rational decisions based on imperfect or corrupted information when they cannot do the same with well documented and understood topics (such as the age of the Earth or evolution) ?
Are you a YEC?
lolgepwnt 10 months ago
@revroy1204 can I vote down a thousand times. Stop listening to people at your church and open your mind. You'll grow. UP.
dukehen78 6 months ago
@pubicteeth Yes, that's an interesting phenomenon as well. All these so-called "gospel of prosperity" charlatans that are out there taking gullible people's money really take the cake, don't they? Their mere existence is a very unfortunate testament to the stupidity that abounds in America.
armyveteran101st 11 months ago
@pubicteeth Americans are not to blame exclusively. Go to any country in Latin America and you'll find millions who believe that the Earth came into being 6,000 years ago, that men and dinosaurs co-existed at some point within that time frame, and that a woman named Mary got magically impregnated by a supernatural entity, giving birth to a half-human, half supernatural being that could raise the dead. Fundamentalism is alive and well in the U.S., but it exists in other regions of the world too.
armyveteran101st 11 months ago
There is hope. I was a village idiot. The solution was to really look into the Bible and find everything that is wrong with it. Now i'm an atheist in a sea of crazies.
spartacandream 11 months ago
@spartacandream I am an atheist too, but I believe you can find wisdom in the Bible if you read it from a dispassionate and reasoned perspective, as opposed to interpreting its content literally as most religious people do. The same goes for the Qur’an, the Torah, etc. It would be impossible for at least a smidge of wisdom not to have made it into these texts over the millennia. The problem is that people let their judgment become clouded by extreme zealotry and unthinking fundamentalism.
armyveteran101st 11 months ago
@armyveteran101st As a piece of literature, the Bible is a masterpiece. Yeah, it does have some good wisdom in it. Just look at Ecclesiastes. What I meant is that following the Bible as your sole moral code, the basis of your morality, is what's wrong considering the crap found alongside those instances where you find wisdom. I agree that zealotry is a huge problem, but also a lack of reason.
spartacandream 11 months ago
I absolutely agree that fundamentalism is by far the worst that religion has to offer, but I would disagree that there is much good in religion. In general, the bible is a hateful book that tells you genocide, slavery, and many other horrid things are okay if "god" tells you it's okay. I think it is dangerous that so many people accept this book without ever actually reading it, and I especially hate that people accept it without any proof that it's real. Sorry, but it is total myth.
13monkees 1 year ago
hahaha rachel palin
FEVFTH100 1 year ago
Frank Schaeffer is great.
Pastor9764 1 year ago
Rafael, thank you for your service and thank you for posting this priceless bit.
You have the patience of Job to respond to the stream of sheeple here.
genjokoan 1 year ago
Biblically-minded is an oxymoron.
lebannerfan65 1 year ago
Hey, that is insulting to us village idiots. We don't like to be associated with christain fundi's, it's very demeaning.
village1diot 1 year ago
FUCK fundemental Christians! they are full of shit
SLIPKNOTFREA 1 year ago
The majority of biblical scholars, theologists and even the Vatican (Oct 2006) now admit that the story of Adam & Eve is allegorical, and evolution is a fact. No Adam & Eve - no forbidden fruit. No forbidden fruit - no original sin. No original sin - nature and Man not fallen. If Man is not fallen - what need of a savior? Jesus is unnecessary and irrelevant. That destroys the foundation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. That should be the end of it. Precisely, concisely, and nicely.
yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago
Love this guy!
Those who use their faith as a lever on the credulous deserve nothing but distain. It is the fundamentalist/apologist charlatans that convince the credulous to terrorize the humanity into submission. The evidence is all there if only people will use their rational, critical, skeptical, and scientific minds instead of following blindly.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
Frank who?..
BringBackMy9Os 1 year ago
@modomnoc1 if you met somebody who held the view that hitler was a wonderful guy you're telling me you wouldn't belittle that view?
opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, and when you voice your opinion publicly expect it to be scrutinised.
RabSimpsonDotCom 1 year ago
Frank Schaeffer displays appalling arrogance here. He likes to paint with broad strokes, lump all biblically-minded people together, associate them with the real zealots, and then hop up and down that we need to be stopped. And this "evangelicals are anti-intellectual " mantra is tired and "frankly" repulsive.
musicappreciate 1 year ago
@musicappreciate
Maybe tired from repetition...but certainly true.
ktrfeb23 1 year ago
@musicappreciate Schaeffer is absolutely right, and you missed the boat, because he is doing nothing of the kind. All "biblically-minded people" are not fanatical zealots, and that is what you are implying here. You are the one making dumb generalizations. Maybe you are one of these idiots who take the bible literally and think the world came about only 6,000 years ago. That kind of willful ignorance is the only repulsive quality, and you seem to be displaying it quite comfortably.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago 26
@armyveteran101st
Well said!
ktrfeb23 1 year ago
Fundemental CHristians turn into crackheads when they believe in the bible too much
SLIPKNOTFREA 1 year ago
@musicappreciate But "biblically-minded" people are narrow-minded, stereotypical, and bigoted village idiots, LOL!
Euchrid1973 1 year ago
Merry Saturnalia
MrDarwind 1 year ago
@musicappreciate Good for him! He lived it, it is his story.
golden454 1 year ago
@musicappreciate Nah! You earned the crazy, so OWN IT! and if you don't like his freedom of expression THEN YOU CAN LEAVE!!! Here's the FUCKING DOOR! and a one way ticket FROM Ellis Island to the Middle East. WE WANT YOU OUT! You and your CULT OF INSANITY are no longer welcome and quite frankly your anti-American Christo-fascist agenda will NO LONGER be tolerated. Now YOU'RE going to find out what it feels like to be the outsider. YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES ANY MORE, GOT THAT!!! WE DO!
imaginativelads 11 months ago
Im surprised at the end when he said that no one in the republican party has the intelligence or moral code to stand against this when you have Ron Paul :)
Ron Paul is the messiah. (oh wait no he's not he's a very naughty boy - if you are the federal reserve)
sinwow33 1 year ago
@sinwow33 Has Ron Paul actively come out against these fanatical fruit-loops in the extreme Right? I don't know, particularly from examining what his son Rand says and how he behaves. I've always had very strong doubts about Ron Paul.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st
*laughs* Ron Paul and Rand Paul are heavily racist. But what I think is the funniest is that if the Paul's want to go anywhere in the Republican Party they have two choices. Start toeing the party line (And I so hope they do, just so I can point and laugh when the Paulies start sucking up to the fundies and such.) Or they can be replaced by Mitt Romney.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
Now don't get me wrong, I bet the right-wing LOVES libertards. I mean these clowns are actually PRO corporate rule! The fundies you have to TRICK into it. But the libertards are raring to run of that cliff! They LOVE it! They think nothing should impede corporations, because they think that's freedom.
However the libertards, no matter how loud they are on the internet are a teeny minority.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
Can Chrstianity be rescued from christians lol?
The answer is probably not because there is no reasoning with these people. He summed it up well when he said some people are brought up to reject facts.
These people are village idiots and it just peddles hate.
It is hillarious that they do not realise that their hate is diametrically opposed to the teachings of christianity which teaches acceptance and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
sinwow33 1 year ago
I am a Christian and a Conservative and Frank Schaeffer explains why i wanted Obama to be president.
usernameofnobody 1 year ago
This is the single issue that drove me out of the GOP. I am a libertarian because I am offended by both parties. I can't believe in 2010 that they want to teach my children that creationism is a more reasonable explanation for our existence than is evolution (they really believe in talking snakes and other such nonsense). If we could get rid of religion, we'd advance much farther and be much happier and I'd be a republican.
alinator11 1 year ago
@42ER0TH
I'll take it a step further and say that the bible is a load of shit written by people who didnt know that the world is a ball that hangs in the sky, and it was compiled for purely political reasons. Anyone foolish enough to take any of it into consideration when making decisions in their life is incompetent.
xblgator2009 1 year ago
Thank God for the Fundamentalism movement in America. When times on the early 20's were theologically murky. Somebody had to speak up in defense. We still live in theologically murky times and we could sure use another "fundy" shot in the arm.
ritetheology 1 year ago
people need to chill out, this guy isnt bashing christianity per se, but fundamentalism. If he was in a muslim country bashing muslims, he's be killed before he left the news station. Fundamentalism of any kind is the poison needing to be purged. People who use religion to improve their lives are cool, people who use their religion to ruin other people lives are straight up evil. Pretty much every religion preaches the same good values; when people get carried away it becomes poison
42ER0TH 1 year ago 37
@42ER0TH That is one of the most reasonable and lucid comments I've seen on any of my videos in a very long time. You are a voice of reason, my friend! Thanks for watching! ];-)
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@42ER0TH Exactly! Schaeffer is an Orthodox Christian, when he is speaking on the topic of Orthodoxy you can see he is certainly not critical of Christian, just of the American fundamentalist Christian culture.
AngelOfSephiroth 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st , a law of physics tell us that a body at rest will stay at rest unless force is applied to cause it to move. It's indisputable and unalterable.
Where did earth and the other planets derive the force to cause the motion which caused the gravity that's kept everything in order for how many billion years?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
Hey Frank! You say that you are a Christian? Let's examine what you believe, then. Do you believe that a man named Jesus walked on water? Did he rise from the dead? Did he ascend to heaven on a cloud? Did he do miracles?
OMG Frank! You are such an idiot!
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 I'm certainly not an idiot, and I do believe in the teachings of Jesus. However, I do not believe that Jesus walked on water, or that he multiplied the fish, or that he brought the dead back to life, or that he was born of a virgin. When people lose their ability to reason and think critically in order to start relying solely on blind faith society has a HUGE problem on its hands. In case you didn't get the memo, the Dark Ages ended more than 500 years ago. Get with the program.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st Are you saying that Americans did not believe in the literal biblical miracles in the past?
Furthermore, do you know that Calvinists, believe that God causes everything?
Do you know that Obama sat under Rev Wright for years listening to his racist Black Liberation Theology?
Do you agree with, "God Damn America!"?
There is so much hate in Frank Schaeffer that is all he does is attack those he disagrees with. Calling the Tea Party people racist is a slanderous lie.
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 I told you what I believe, not what anyone else believes. Wright is old news and part of a pretty disingenuous attempt to discredit the President, and that attempt went nowhere, so you're going to have to come up with something more intelligent. Schaeffer is absolutely right in his assertions, and the fact that you're so offended by his opinions shows me that you are one of those mindless clowns he is referring to, therefore I cannot take you seriously. Reverend Wright my ass!
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st
I am an ex-Fundamental like Frankie (as he used to be called) Schaeffer. I saw him and his father speak at an all day conference many years ago. I’ve read many of his father’s books and two of Frankie’s books and two films. I know exactly what I am talking about.
I am now an Atheist and know what the problems are in religion. But, I am more interested in policy than Frank’s slanderous remarks. He is a liar.
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 He's not a liar, as he is stating his opinion. And he is not committing slander either, as he is directing his remarks towards a wide segment of the population as opposed to directing them towards a specific, easily identifiable person. The fact that you have some unknown reason to dislike the guy and his opinions doesn't make him a liar or a slanderer. Funny that you support those who would inject fanatical extremism into policy while demonizing a guy for expressing his opinions!
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st ,religion is way too complex and personal to argue with anyone over it. And to die for it is downright ludicrous because a zealot dies for something unprovable. Or maybe to bang 72 virgins in heaven providing the broads aren't fat enough to fall through the clouds. These male Islamists sure have a vivid imagination. Can you imagine living in Saudi Arabia and waking up one morning to find one billion fat pussies dotting the entire Arabian peninsula? Call it "Arab Cloudburst."
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st , to be a good Catholic, one must like to kneel before statues which is exactly what God forbade in the first of the Ten Comandments. One stature is Jesus. One is Mary. One is Saint Hooha, the Patron saint of "Desperate Housewives." What kinda crap is this. Wafers and wine? Nonsense. At Passover dinner, Jews don't eat leavened bread. It's MATZOH. Why don't priests realize this at communion?Jesus said, "Drink of my blood?" Bull. Jewish law forbade drinking blood. What mythology.
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf Precisely, my friend. All religions are nothing but a study in fallacy and contradictions that make man submit to his lowest instincts and to the most ignominious state of willful ignorance. I believe that the worst thing that ever happened to Humankind was the advent of religion.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st ,but what amazes me is this: we know that truth lives while lies die. It explains why Judaism is still here after 5,000 years. If the story of Jesus were 100% phony, then how come, after 2000 years, one man has so changed the world forever? How could a myth become so overwhelmingly important? The problem is that if Jesus did live, preach & die, his actions have been and still are mininterpreted by so many of his followers. All these groups & splinter groups? Which is right?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf I actually believe that Jesus did exist. I think he was a social activist, a community organizer, and maybe a political figure who ended up getting in the way of the Jewish elites who were colluded with their Roman rulers, and that's why they had him killed. I think he was a relevant figure of his time, and I also think that those who wrote the Bible over the span of a thousand years added considerable to his story until they turned him into what he is today. I agree with you.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st , if the man was a social activist and a community organizer, then we have Jesus Obama in the White House.
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf LOL, that's the standard reply I get whenever I express my opinions about Jesus. I didn't mean to link the two, but I have always honestly believed that Jesus was a very influential and charismatic social activist who ended up becoming a thorn on the side for the Jewish elites of his day. Many true and caring leaders share that characteristic. Look at MLK, Gandhi, or Nelson Mandela. These were social activists who became transformational social leaders, just like Jesus did.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st , so then we can assume that Jesus was just like any other man. I'd say that everything else surrounding him is mythological bullshit? Do you agree? After all, all these miracles and stuff had to come from somewhere and I say from the minds of Greeks. But then again, if it was all bullshit, then why hasn't it "petered" out over the past 2000 years? How could all 1.5 billion adherents be so freaking lamebrained?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf I would say the supernatural abilities attributed to Jesus are the result of centuries worth of a multitude of people adding on to the Bible and embellishing it. Organized religion has an uncanny ability to indoctrinate people, and that is why the whole thing hasn't "petered" out yet. However, we're starting to see encouraging signs of enlightenment. For instance, Catholicism loses followers everyday, and that's positive. Hope the same starts happening with Islam and Judaism soon.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st ,but Frank, if religion disappears, then on whom else will we be able to pin our bad luck? God is so convenient, wouldn't you agree?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf No such thing as bad luck. Most of the bad things that happen to us are of of our own making, consequences of bad decisions and bad behaviors. Yes, religion provides a very convenient scapegoat to those who refuse to take full responsibility for their own lives. Having an imaginary supernatural entity on whom to blame your troubles can be very comforting when you keep screwing up left and right and making a general ass out of yourself, I guess. I see devout people doing this every day.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st ,Frank, I read Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas. There are five postulates on the existence of God. The first is called "the immovable mover." Let's assume God did NOT create the universe. Let's assume that our solar system developed from the big bang theory. Question: in order for us to survive, earth has to rotate 360 deg.on its own axis once daily. Plus earth has to travel elliptically around the sun every 365 days. Who caused the motion?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf
I'm still looking for the proof that he existed at all. He would have lived during a time when society was documented. That's how we know about Herod and Nero (the bible says he was born under both of them?). Why is it that the only thing Christians can come up with to document this miracle worker (outside of the bible) is an interpolation of Josephus. This guy would have been making news every day... yet nothing.
alinator11 1 year ago
@alinator11, is the anti-Christ like antifreeze? There is no proof that Jesus ever lived but can the whole world be so stupid as to worship a myth for 2000 years?
Who knows? Who cares? Some people get highs from a Hershey bar. Others get it from a "Jesus bar." Or maybe the Hebrews were seeing aliens from outer space? Maybe when a woo woo leader said he'd return one day, then it was misinterpreted as Christ's return? Maybe von Daniken is 100% right?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf
I care. Yes, the whole world (the whole world certainly does not believe in the myth) can believe myths and hold dear to them for a long time. The reason I care is that people who hold to these beliefs vote. They spread ignorance - are even compelled to do so. Ignorance is not going to get us anywhere. Denying things like evolution or looking for the holes in C14 dating or challenging whale evolution... just serve to hold us back as a people.
alinator11 1 year ago
@alinator11, my friend, what ever floats our boats, let 'em float. Do you think it's totally impossible that evolution and God can exist simultaneously? Or maybe all this stuff truly is beyond human comprehension? I agree; denying evolution is beyond stupid however there are so many unexplainable phenomena, I find it impossible to think everything happened by accident. Evangelical Christianity? I don't espouse or hate it. I know E.Cs and they're nice to me & I give them matzoh balls as gifts.
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf
I care. Yes, the whole world (the whole world certainly does not believe in the myth) can believe myths and hold dear to them for a long time. The reason I care is that people who hold to these beliefs vote. They spread ignorance - are even compelled to do so. Ignorance is not going to get us anywhere. Denying things like evolution or looking for the holes in C14 dating or challenging whale evolution... just serve to hold us back.
alinator11 1 year ago
Okay, so he doesn't like Fundamental Christians. People are free to believe what they want. So what specific political policies does he disagree with? He can bitch all he wants, but can he enumerate actual and tangible policies that are harmful to the country? He is just a hateful person. I could just as well say that homosexuals who ram their penis into filthy butt-holes are not qualified to be taken seriously either.
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 Wrong. You obviously missed the point of the whole conversation. When you have fundamentalists of any religious belief attempting to incorporate elements of their extreme religions into governmental practices and policies you have a very serious problem. These fundamentalists intend for everyone else to submit to their extremism for the sake of religious belief, and nothing could be more tyrannical or dangerous to a free society. Watch the video again, and pay attention this time.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st
You said, "...incorporate elements of their extreme religions into governmental practices..."
Give me specifics.
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 EVERYTHING that republicans want to enact if they achieve a congressional majority is motivated by religious extremism. Pick any part of their agenda and you'll have your example.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
@armyveteran101st Joe Biden is a Catholic. JFK was a Catholic. Many people in the Federal government are Catholic. Do you know the official position of the Catholic Church on miracles? Should they be disqualified? Be consistent.
McCarthyism is alive and well today.
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Catholic Church?"
“Are you now, or have you ever been a Fundamentalit?"
“Are you now, or have you ever been a homophobe?"
“Are you now, or have you ever been a racist?"
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 Considering that you are one of those village idiots Schaeffer talks about, I'm not surprised by your veiled attack on Catholics. I couldn't care less about what Catholics think or believe, because to me they are as unthinking and mindless as you are. As to whether you are a racist, or a homophobe, or both, that is for you to decide and live with. Nothing you've said here rises to the level of Schaeffer's mental clarity, period.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
He's completely on point. A person who believes in an anti-Christ, or that Armageddon would be a good thing, holds at least one superstitious belief that is outright crazy.
I'm not saying that our hypothetical religious person is all-the-way crazy, but we know that he or she has a tenuous and conditional relationship with reality.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago
FYI Frank Schaeffer has irked many of his Orthodox Christian constituents as well as Protestants.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
they are idiots
puhdussyrampage2010 1 year ago
Schaeffer says some pretty dumb things about atheism, but he's one of the good guys in my book
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago
Brave man go get em'
runestone72 1 year ago
He has the guts Oo.
/respect
khyran 1 year ago
The ten commandments say that you must keep the sabbath, ie NO WORK. The fundementalists demand that the bible must be taken literally. Leviticus states that the law of the bible is that any found working on the sabbath MUST be put to DEATH. How utterly moronic.
Palin is a fundementalist fool. Remember that.
sheavepin 1 year ago
Yeah, the are fundalmentalist Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Buddist, Atheists, and Santanist. Funalmentalist everything, if you stick to a point and don't give in or a moral or value of any type you are now called a fundalmentalist. Really hard to believe.
LambLion777 1 year ago
I love this guy... Love him. He's absolutely right.
kiplingslastcat 1 year ago
Racist Christian fucks, period. They don't wanna admit to being racist, 'cause it's un-pc, but they are. Dumb-arsed white Christian drones who cannot cope with a black man as president.
clumpft 1 year ago 4
To Evangelicals, is a Catholic a Christian?
39rc6cf 1 year ago
@39rc6cf The evangelical church I grew up in didn't think so. I used to hear them make comments like, "So and So is Catholic? I didn't know that! I thought they were Christians!" So now that I'm considering converting to Catholicism, I'm sure they think I am losing my faith and my salvation.
auntstacey123 1 year ago
*sighs* At first I was wondering what channel this was on? No real network would broadcast this, but then I saw MsNBC at the top and looked on in disbelief. First, it should be pointed out that this is some seriously bad generalizing. His views are like a racist coming on television and saying, "hey ALL blacks are idiots" or another one saying "ALL whites are morons." Second, there's no rebuttal, no one to speak against his horrible claims. Just one guy, who's view is being recieved as fact.
robdmccoy 1 year ago
@robdmccoy You missed the boat, just as most people who watch this video do. Schaeffer wasn't generalizing. He was referring to the lunatic fringe on the fundamentalist side, and he was absolutely on point.
armyveteran101st 1 year ago 3
@robdmccoy I see it more like him saying all blacks are dark skinned and all whites are light skinned
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
Yes, it's time to ignore fundamentalists concerns and opinions, just like we ignore the opinions and assertions of other insane people in politics and public life.
BillKiernan 1 year ago 2
You have to be careful. There is such a thing called christian cults like Mormonism, Jehova witnesses, seventh day ad, With that said in 1 John it says if you are a Christian you will love all people but especially other Christians. Mr. Schaeffer should examine himself and read the scriptures again.
86durell 1 year ago
@86durell "you will love all people but especially other Christians" he's not talking about love, he's talking about moving beyond giving a damn about the opinions of pepole who think the earth is 6000 years old. it's way past time that they should be completely ignored. it's time to move past them, lest we lose even more of our status as the most advanced nation in the developed world.
BillKiernan 1 year ago 2
Reminds me of the saying.... God save us from the people that believe in you.
killerbandit 1 year ago 3
Epic!
jasondanielpruitt 1 year ago
this dude rocks! :D
chickenbiscito 1 year ago
@Jesus*****Horse**** When you use offensive language in your username, you should expect censorship when others who do not wish to use offensive language in their posts when replying to your comments. I may not be a "Christian", but your username and the contents of the post that I am responding to are very offensive to me. It's doubtful that your comment had any positive effect on anyone here.
findthelight2000 1 year ago
@findthelight2000 That moron with the offensive user name has been blocked, and his message was removed. Sorry for the inconvenience! ];-)
armyveteran101st 1 year ago