I'm only fourteen years old, and I love this show very much. I find the arguments that are brought up in this show by some of the callers are completely ridicoulus, and yet kind of funny. I'm an agnosticatheist myself, yet this show has taught me alot. Thank you!
Stop pulling your ad hominem shit. You can't point out a characteristic of one object and say it is connected to another characteristic of the same object.
Isaac Newton was Christian.
Buuuuuuuut he did not dig the theory of gravitation out of a Bible.
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hey dumb asses dont you remember that the father of scientific laws newton isaac< said we lived in gods mind while doing fluid dynamics of water in a bucket on string wich is an interesting thought study by the way. and einstien said he wanted to think how god thinks so what deos that mean?
- "hey dumb asses dont you remember that the father of scientific laws newton isaac< said . . . and einstien said he wanted to think how god thinks so what deos that mean?"
It means that you are a lousy speller who is apparently trying to make a lame argument from authority. What Newton said and what Einstein wanted is irrelevant. Both are known to have been very wrong about a few things, so all that matters is what they could prove and how much of their theories still stand today.
@TheAtheistExperience Why do theists seem to think that if a person respects a guy like Newton for example, it does not mean that you have to dropped mouth worship and agree with every thing that person suggested? I think they get confused, and think an atheist world view is an "alternative" to religion, and think that since the being they cannot prove to exist is infallible, then atheists would see a man like Dawkins or Hitchens is the same light. What a mess to get through.
@monkeyjoe9 It doesn't mean anything. It's completely irrelevant. There were men who made great discoveries who also thought that Earth was flat and the sun and stars revolved around us...so what does that mean?
@monkeyjoe9 Stephen Hawking does not believe in god. Richard Dawkins does not believe in god. Neither did Richard Feynman, Roger Penrose, Carl Sagan, and countless other brilliant scientists. So what does that mean? Logic is not a game of top trumps! Newton also believed in alchemy, should we believe that? What people believe is irrelevent. Only what they can demonstrate counts.
“That which is impenetrable to us really exists. Behind the secrets of nature remains something subtle, intangible, and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion.”
@bozolazic Does that mean you worship something because you do not understand it? Do you worship homosexuals because you dont understand how they can love same sex? :L do you worship nuclear engines as you dont understand how they work?Stop closing your mind and try to learn these secrets.
@Thelondonbadger “That which is impenetrable to us really exists. Behind the secrets of nature remains something subtle, intangible, and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion.”
Penn Jillette said that you either believe in god or you don't, there is no in between. 'I don't know' doesn't answer the theological question. Do you think there is god, it's okay to said i don't know because the answer requires something other then faith to answer.
Matt couldn't go against his own morals for any amount of money. This cannot be said about every televangelist in history with their mega churches and millions rolling in and fooling thousands of gullible people that are mortified to question their beliefs.
its too bad modern atheists are dependent on the false dilemma of the Fundamentalist Religious Nut and activists on the political far right.
the mundane reality is that many -perhaps the majority of "believers" have no judgements of Atheists or those from other faiths. We simply Life and Let Live...it would be nice if some Atheists could do the same.
@Lindemann04109 You can't lol. This debate is unwinnable. Christians will just stick to their guns no matter how often you point out how absurd their claims are.
@Lindemann04109 If they say you can't disprove god tell them that one is never required to prove a negative and that is a law of logic. If they get it, they will stfu, if they don't they will stfu, lol
@Lindemann04109 "What do you say to a christian to shut them up in a debate?"
Debate requires logic. The typical Christian debater does not apply logic to topics of religion.
Primarily I find it is most useful to be well versed in the Bible. If you can cite 'chapter and verse', they get frustrated that their minister/preacher/priest so misled them. They may realize they should read and research on the Bible, which will either shut them up or cause them to no longer be a Christian.
Matt makes a very good point about ethics and atheism. The next time a religious person tries to suggest that without religion there is no morality I'm going to mention Matt's point. He could easily get rich by pretending to be a believer but his morality, which survives quite well without religion, won't let him.
i was with a friend of mine (we are both atheists that used to be christians) and he was on the phone talking to one of his buddies, and his friend asked what religion i belong to, and my friend stated that i was an Apostate.
when this was mentioned, his friend asked what that was, and my buddy said "It means he quit." i don't know why it struck me as so funny.
I think they look at apostates generally as being worse than the unsaved. As they can still bully and bulshit the unsaved the apostate has been inside the org and read some bible and basically knows to much.
That makes you a bigger risk as gaining knowledge will always undermine faith.
Interesting. I think the last type of Thesis skeptic Matt was talking about was the last type I was before I became an Atheist... Reminds me of myself.
i'm an atheist and lesbian myself but i have a christian straight roommate who so awesome cuz she's fine with me being gay and an atheist... and we have plenty of heated debates on different subjects mostly about religion and the church in general... so i mean i have plenty of decent theistic friends who are rational and not bat shit crazy like most of the theists i see on youtube or the news! in fact i think being religious makes her be a better person!
I think that MOST of the TV evangelists, and the large gathering/healing preachers are Atheists pretending to believe. You can't knowingly screw over so many people over and over and not fear hell if you believe in it.
The Orthodox Church (the most conservative of them all) states that the appearance of contradiction between the Christian teaching and natural science stems from ignorance of at least one of these subjects. Charles Darwin said that you can be an ardent Theist and an evolutionist, and that he has never been an atheist but that agnosticism best describes his state of mind. - but america is full of fanatics and atheists arguing the hell INTO each other... kinda sad, isn't it?
Except that if you read the bible as the word of a god or at least written by a god through a person, it becomes quite clear you cannot believe in both the way the bible says things are and our scientific account of the way things are. If you think rationally about reality you must begin to realize there are parts of the bible that make no sense. Then, you have to see no gods were involved in its writing. If no gods are involved, anything based from it is useless, including faith.
@Damarcast that can happen only if yoou reduce scriptures to their literal wording. thats what fanatics do. if that is the way you wanna approach things, go ahead.
But that is what many do, and frankly, it's the only thing that can make any sense (even though it doesn't make sense, itself).
If an individual approaches the bible as nothing but metaphors written by people, they then should realize that there is no point to acknowledging anything that it has to say, including its spiritual and miracle claims, as those can be metaphors.
It's ultimately self-defeating for faith to view the bible in a way that doesn't conflict with science.
so the vast majority of friendly, intellingt, educated and open-minded christians actually dont understand their faith, only the kkk and atheists get it right... like pissing on my leg and telling me its rain...
What I am saying is they don't fully apply coherent thought that follows a pattern of logic based on evidence in every area of their religion. They freely admit the bible is demonstrably and morally wrong in many claims, but still somehow believe the miracle accounts are true. They turn a blind eye to their faith as a whole and resort to a god of the gaps mentality for anywhere science hasn't been yet.
If you play religion, you play it all-in, or you're gonna be out eventually.
i dont "use" God to fill gaps or to hide from my ignorance... i am very much into science, and understanding how nature works does not indicate its not created. i do also not agree that the bible is immoral. Gods will is the benchmark of morality. fear of the flesh and ignorance of spirituality make His mercy seem cruel to some of us. religion is not about patterns of evidence, its about emotions and its not a game, but a way (or many different ways) to look at the world and your life.
@zragisha so the rape, genocide, theft , human sacrifice and slavery found in the bible as done by or commanded by god is not immoral? If you think that stuff is morally acceptable, you're an asshole.
Are you actually going to respond with any substance, or keep going with your faith-based babble?
Words like spirituality don't make sense unless you define them.
Religion is about emotion? What the fuck are you talking about?
I don't even need to go on. You'll continue to use terms without defining them or giving evidence to their existence. I'll tell you about how you're wrong, and you'll defend those with more blanket terms that mean 1000 things to 1000 people.
@Damarcast I do think slavery and genocide are wrong, but I think its ridiculous to accuse God of these crimes. It is not murder when He takes back the lives that He gave to us, and having trust in His will is the only way to be free of fear, egoism and arrogance. I do neither justify nor apologize, I just happen to have a view that differs from yours...
Great, so instead of answering with substance, you resort to having me pull your teeth. Fine. I'll hold your hand through this. Answer these and we can make progress.
Do you believe that the bible is an accurate account of God's moral character, or anything at all about its character? In other words, when the bible says God sayeth or commandeth, do you believe it?
@Damarcast no. morality is human, God is above that and there is no accurate account to His character. I believe the Bible gives accurate account to subjective, divine inspiration.
If morality is human, why do more intelligent animals exhibit morality? You can google the studies if you like.
If there is no accurate account to God's character, how can you even attempt to claim you understand anything about it?
The bible is an accurate account of subjectivity, check. How do you know there is any divine inspiration? Because you just "feel" it is? How do you know it's anywhere close to what your God actually wanted?
@Damarcast well if you define morals simply as patterns of behaviour even not so intelligent animals have their morality, yet I'm not sure where to draw the line between the instinct of self-preversation and ethical self-reflection... but never mind... off-topic.
whats wrong with my thinking? yeah, I do feel there is a God and I know that emotion, intuition and faith are as much a part of human nature as rationality and logical thinking are.
@Damarcast I can understand if youre pissed off by people who say that evolution is just an opinion or or that the big bang was made up by satan... denying a truth obvious to everybody is a severe sin against the Holy Spirit.
@Damarcast the phrase "in other words" is usually not used to lead over to a further question. yes, i do believe this divine inspiration is authentic, God sayeth what He sayeth and commandeth what He commandeth, and its the best thing that can happen to your soul :)
@Damarcast the phrase "in other words" is usually not used to lead over to a further question. yes, i do believe this divine inspiration is authentic, God sayeth what He sayeth and commandeth what He commandeth, and its the best thing that can happen to your soul :)
@topperheartramada I don't hide from my ignorance, I express my emotions about it. And I don't belive to know everything, but that there is One Who does.
@zragisha because love is a feeling. 'there being someone who knows everything, i.e. god' is not a feeling, it's a factual statement about the universe.
@topperheartramada I BELIVE that there is One Who knows, because it feels this way, to me... its like explaining an orgasm to somebody who never had one... no words can tell.,.
@MegTheKoala This is a good thing to get into the habit of doing. In anything that you are investigating (in this case, claims made by scripture) look at all of the key elements of what is being said and assess everything from your own perspective as either plausible or not plausible. Then look into finding explanations for the things that you thought were not plausible. If you can't find logical explanations for these things then you are not justified to believe without further evidence.
quite true, i try to question and study/analyze claims people make and beliefs that people have. lol im a youngin... im about ready to be confirmed into the catholic church (in about a year) but have started actually THINKING about thing... thats brought me to a whole new world of knowledge, and now im having doubts....
also...i like to ask my priest questions and debate with him... hes a good man... will admit when hes wrong or doesnt know, but provides logical explanations for things (explanations i investigate further before accepting them)...do you have any suggestions of things/questions that i could say/ask that may stump him or require him (and i) to think deeply? thanks :)
@MegTheKoala I went to a catholic middle school and when it was time for confirmation I also had doubts and didn't want to. The problem is that my parents, peers and everyone at the school and church forced me to do it anyway. If I were as strong then as I am today I surely could have been more successful in my resistance, but sometimes when you are a kid it's really difficult to get people to take your personal decisions seriously. Don't allow that to happen to you if you don't want to do it.
@MegTheKoala Now ask yourself the same question; "would you see it easier to beleive in said god if he was referd to as omnipresent/potent but that belief also stated that god didnt love us and god doesnt care? "
but instead of "god" use the words "green magical dragon" and check how that sounds to you.
Done?
OK, that's how your original question sounds to me.
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
The devil could do what ever he wants be don't care if you worship him or not he is the father of all lies the mastermind behind athiestiem he want to get people as far as possible from God this is his mission and has fooled many with athiestiem...he don't don't care if you worship him.. all he want is to get you away from God..a atheist don't believe in nothing i know that but still satan don't care in what you believe in.he still got you demionized and mixed in athiesim. Athiestiem is one of
@THEMAKDON why are you even here, posting religious spam comments?
all of christian arguments have proven to be broken and defeated or at least, proven not to have scientific evidence at all and no logic that can back up such idiotic claims.
If your goal is to convert somebody to christianity, using those arguments and saying that atheism is 100% wrong, that is not going to get you anywhere.I f you are against us and say that we are wrong just because a supernatural claim, is worth a laugh.
@THEMAKDON So if atheist "don't believe in nothing" doesn't that mean we do believe in something? Your conversation is incoherent please re-read what you are saying before you hit post. But if you meant atheist's believe in nothing you are wrong. Try listening to what people have to say if you expect them to listen to you.
If satan is the father of lies then does that make God the grandfather of all lies? Food for thought. Why did God make this system and instead make no lies?
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I hate to say this but the calls from atheists are kind of boring. I like it better when christian fundamentalist creationist retards call up the show and get owned.
@PsychoticSnake Ha-ha. It's a joke dude and jokes are better if you tell it in the first person; recognize the Family Guy reference? The one where Chris is trying to take a shit for weeks; but every time he goes to the bathroom his grandfather thinks that he's rubbing one out - so he says that "I know what you are doing, it's a sin and Jesus is watching you!" Chris responds "Oh no, I'm a sinner and Jesus is a pervert..."
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the cogent mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible, to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please master make my wishes come true."
Its embarrassing to the human race that religion still exists That grown,mature adults are believing something that is on the same plain as fairytales and folklore. Bc you were drilled with this bullshit since the exit of the womb.its normal to believe it so deeply.NOONE is an evil sinner at birth.Just be nice to people.If you steal something from ur friend.Hes gonna wanna even the score so THATS where our morals comefrom.I dont want to be treated badly bc of my bad actions. be nice=reciprocated
nonskillet -“An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. Atheists aren't claiming to be masters of science. you silly.” Being hypocritical won’t set you on the next stage. Since you are what I knew you were, I will explain, atheists are not fully developed scientifically by Science, so their point of view is just inmmature. I laugh because they tickle the Universe. Hehehe
@Airlightf Atheist simply don't believe in a god. Why do people always bring Atheism and science together? Atheism is this simple. I don't believe in a god because there is no proof of one. That simple. Even IF there was proof of one. We would have to find out which god it was, what are his views on human morals, why would he allow such horrible things to happen, why does he require worship or belief, and etc.
What are atheists anyway? Are they pupils of Science or MASTERS OF SCIENCE? If they are just students and not masters, What are they going to boast about? Will any rational thinker agree with their view on God? NO
...ha... matt would need to shave, and grow his hair back out for the evangelist circuit....gawd came and spoke to me, and bestowed upon me this tele-coiffure...
Religions were started through people's ignorance because they wanted solutions. They didn't know why things happened so they made things up. The Sumerian tribes created basic polytheism to explain nature. Christianity itself is a branch of another branch of Judaism. Judaism was another old example of polytheism. Even old japan used the kami for explanation of the moving earth's heat.
People don't like to not have explanations. They don't like being uncertain. They don't like not knowing. And so will accept made up answers to satisfy their desire to know.
Saying "I don't know" when you don't, is the smartest answer possible because it means you know when you do not have evidence to say you know. It also means you can find out to really know or have to accept that nobody knows yet giving you the chance to find out.
There are many things which can never be explained like "Faith". No one has the right to challenge another's faith. Faith to me is what ever you beleive in with out lookin for miraculous signs from the clouds or lookin through some hi-tech microscope searching for facts to conclude ones way of life. We could sit & make wise jokes about each other faiths as we r now but by the end of the day its you and ur conscience. I am a man of faith my God resides in my heart for the rest of my graceful days
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain(10 Commandments)? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for your sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have eternal life
@gramosjr7 That is completely immoral. Not only that but the fact that if you did NONE of that and you did not believe you would STILL be tortured forever. Your religion is not only immoral, it is disgusting and should be abolished completely. Not to mention the fact that there is NO evidence that any of this is even remotely true.
@gramosjr7 Yes accurate story, and also The Ranger then gives an epilogue explaining that Goldilocks has changed her ways, continued to be friends with the bear family, and eventually had a daughter of her own with identical golden curls.
It's not true to say there is no evidence for the claims of Christianity. You may not find the evidence compelling but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am the exact opposite of Matt and Jen. I was converted BECAUSE of the evidence. Matt told me that he was a Christian because "I was convinced because it "felt" real and true and it felt this way because everyone around me held the same views and because I didn't have the desire or skills to think critically about what I beleived."
@caveatemp I think what did it for me was that they've been bringing people back to life after hours of being dead and those brought back have nothing to say about an afterlife and that there id no proof at all that jesus even existed. Those 2 there left no more doubts
@splicedenergy So you're telling me you believe the testimony of zombies? If you live to tell the tale then you weren't truly dead. There are all sorts of 'dead.' Heart surgeons put people into a sort of death all the time. No heart beat, no breathing. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. To me the evidence of the undead- even if their brain flatlines- is sketchy at best.
@splicedenergy It comes back to the issue of what kind of evidence one finds credible. For me the testimony of near death experience is much too subjective and impossible to verify scientifically or even empirically probable from a theoretical perspective. There are a few interesting cases that show there is a 'supernatural' out of body remote viewing phenomenon but these cases say nothing for or against afterlife.
@caveatemp For someone that just said those who flat line momentarily aren't credible and then turned around and think their claims of "out of body" could be is contradictory. I said those who've been dead for hours not minutes is whom I am referring. That is not near death, 2 hours of being dead is not "near death. Those are empirical, you are grasping at straws and liars
@splicedenergy It's not the time transpired flat lined, it's the empirical evidence gleaned from each particular case. There's one case I remember where the out of body observer saw things on the roof of the hospital. The objects were confirmed to be there through independent investigation. Gary Habermas has done a lot of research on this topic. It's fascinating to see the cases that can be scientifically verified. Still, all the cases I have read are religiously neutral.
@caveatemp Who is to say he/she had never been there before, seen a picture, was told by another etc. You are making a judgement of a few and far between cases. I make mine through the many and often that are indeed empirical. You should see "Back from the dead" on my channel. This happens all over the world everyday. A few indemonstrable flukes is enough for you to hang on to your beliefs, fine. But the fact that you ignore the rest is a problem
@splicedenergy I don't know what specifically you are talking about so I have no comment. Each case should be examined carefully and not be glossed into an amorphous category, of that I am sure of. Ignorance is a problem but I can assure you I am not intentionally ignoring evidence. I am not any kind of professional investigator into this phenomenon. I clean houses for a living. I will check out your upload. It sounds interesting
guarantee you that the vast majority of atheists know a lot more about religion that those whose actually buy into that religion, funny if you think about it
The only times in my life I have been ripped off, I mean really ripped off in investments for tens of thousands of dollars, they were all headed by very religious people who believed they were right, and were at the same time aware that their investments were lies.
i have noticed that atheist nations are smarter, cleaner, greener, with a higher national IQ and lower crime rate, not to mention better relations with other countries.
atheist nations are better in every way (excluding china)
@Mikeybetts Ah but I think you can find a better link there.
What's the recurring theme there?
UK, Australia, Europe and North America are Atheist countries or have a lot of Atheists in them. But what of countries like Malaysia, China and Japan? Take Malaysia for example. The demographics say that most of it's population is Buddhist, so then why is it so developed?
Absence of heavy Muslim, Christian or Jewish fndmntlsm = More development, going in an upward curve Abrhmc fndmntlsm stops dvlpmnt.
Buddhism (thanks for correcting that) has not had a single account of killing scientists for learning more about the world, while christianity and Islam have both got a long and bloody history of genocide, slavery and corruption
I'm not sure about genocide(Maybe in Myanmar), but buddhists also have a history of slavery and corruption. political conflicts being the center piece of these hardships. it's more likely that humans are just stupid no matter what religion/philosophy they chose
@jasontrail it's not really ignorance...I would say it's because people are weak...they're to affraid of what will happen to them if they reject god aka eternal sufering and all that shit.
I think religious people find comfort their beliefs. I think they would fear a world in which there is no "meaning" as they have come to conceive of it. That doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable.
@Lennon4ever1 yes, actually when i totally accepted i was an atheist, my world turned upside down.
i mean what was real, was now bullshit, and what was unreal was now the truth. i explain myself: i used to think it was possible for a man to walk over the water with magic, or resurrect people. now because im not a complete asshole i know that's bullshit. i used to think that what i saw in the movies, aliens, gallactic alliances, zombie viruses, time travel, and a lot of stuffcan might be real
I'm only fourteen years old, and I love this show very much. I find the arguments that are brought up in this show by some of the callers are completely ridicoulus, and yet kind of funny. I'm an agnosticatheist myself, yet this show has taught me alot. Thank you!
korvxxxkorvxxx 1 week ago
@youthank8 I'm a Celestian. Princess Celestia brings up the sun every morning as Princess Luna follows behind her with the moon. :3
Z6D4C4 1 week ago
@Z6D4C4 Made me laugh and smile :) you made my day :)
LOSTKILLERDRAENEI 4 days ago
@Z6D4C4
Princess Celestia is an evil monarch that oppresses her people and sent her sister to the moon! Rebel! For the great lunar republic!
Dewkeeper 1 day ago
Isaac Newton was also very interested in alchemy...
Albert Einstein argued against quantum mechanics...
Even extraordinarily brilliant people CAN be wrong every now and then.
gauSSian3142 3 weeks ago 2
Matt, you could be C. cupp.
BottleConcreteBlond 3 weeks ago
good work here
jessyjessy4 1 month ago
i believe in thor. i pray to him every day to bring his mighty hammer down on christian ballsacks.
youthank8 1 month ago
really informative and interesting
SuperDogbrown 1 month ago
brilliant video
sprattysy 1 month ago
@Nirah
Stop pulling your ad hominem shit. You can't point out a characteristic of one object and say it is connected to another characteristic of the same object.
Isaac Newton was Christian.
Buuuuuuuut he did not dig the theory of gravitation out of a Bible.
newvultraz 1 month ago
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hey dumb asses dont you remember that the father of scientific laws newton isaac< said we lived in gods mind while doing fluid dynamics of water in a bucket on string wich is an interesting thought study by the way. and einstien said he wanted to think how god thinks so what deos that mean?
monkeyjoe9 1 month ago
@monkeyjoe9
- "hey dumb asses dont you remember that the father of scientific laws newton isaac< said . . . and einstien said he wanted to think how god thinks so what deos that mean?"
It means that you are a lousy speller who is apparently trying to make a lame argument from authority. What Newton said and what Einstein wanted is irrelevant. Both are known to have been very wrong about a few things, so all that matters is what they could prove and how much of their theories still stand today.
TheAtheistExperience 1 month ago 20
@TheAtheistExperience einstein also confused a bookmark with a 100$ bill, so I guess we should use bookmarks as cash
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@TheAtheistExperience Why do theists seem to think that if a person respects a guy like Newton for example, it does not mean that you have to dropped mouth worship and agree with every thing that person suggested? I think they get confused, and think an atheist world view is an "alternative" to religion, and think that since the being they cannot prove to exist is infallible, then atheists would see a man like Dawkins or Hitchens is the same light. What a mess to get through.
InteGrayting2 1 month ago
@TheAtheistExperience Also Einstein was a deist/pantheist
ytmndman 1 month ago
@monkeyjoe9 Just the fact that you even posted that comment shows that you will probably never unserstand how stupid it is.
Sorry bout your luck, but you're swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Zentz29 1 month ago
@monkeyjoe9 you do realize that Isaac newton also believed in alchemy too, right?
mabemail12 1 month ago
@monkeyjoe9 It doesn't mean anything. It's completely irrelevant. There were men who made great discoveries who also thought that Earth was flat and the sun and stars revolved around us...so what does that mean?
Nirah 1 month ago
@monkeyjoe9 Who the hell cares whether they believe in God or not? The supernatural is irrelevant to science.
Akira625 3 weeks ago
@monkeyjoe9 Stephen Hawking does not believe in god. Richard Dawkins does not believe in god. Neither did Richard Feynman, Roger Penrose, Carl Sagan, and countless other brilliant scientists. So what does that mean? Logic is not a game of top trumps! Newton also believed in alchemy, should we believe that? What people believe is irrelevent. Only what they can demonstrate counts.
labrat1807 3 weeks ago 3
I too know way more about religion now than when i graduated after 12 years of catholic school ...
SuperAgnostic1 2 months ago
@SuperAgnostic1 Me too, man. I had read the bible, but nowadays I don't dissociate the experience and actually react to what I'm reading.
Ebvardh 1 month ago
“That which is impenetrable to us really exists. Behind the secrets of nature remains something subtle, intangible, and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion.”
― Ale
bozolazic 2 months ago
@bozolazic Does that mean you worship something because you do not understand it? Do you worship homosexuals because you dont understand how they can love same sex? :L do you worship nuclear engines as you dont understand how they work?Stop closing your mind and try to learn these secrets.
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@Thelondonbadger “That which is impenetrable to us really exists. Behind the secrets of nature remains something subtle, intangible, and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion.”
---Albert Einstein
bozolazic 2 months ago
@Thelondonbadger "Stop closing your mind and try to learn these secrets."
You might want to take your advise on mind enclosure.A real secret is something which only one person knows.Peace.
bozolazic 2 months ago
Penn Jillette said that you either believe in god or you don't, there is no in between. 'I don't know' doesn't answer the theological question. Do you think there is god, it's okay to said i don't know because the answer requires something other then faith to answer.
TheMrRanz 2 months ago
@TheMrRanz Theology is useless.
jouluturkki 2 months ago
Matt couldn't go against his own morals for any amount of money. This cannot be said about every televangelist in history with their mega churches and millions rolling in and fooling thousands of gullible people that are mortified to question their beliefs.
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its too bad modern atheists are dependent on the false dilemma of the Fundamentalist Religious Nut and activists on the political far right.
the mundane reality is that many -perhaps the majority of "believers" have no judgements of Atheists or those from other faiths. We simply Life and Let Live...it would be nice if some Atheists could do the same.
matako07 3 months ago
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matako07 3 months ago
lol matt has insulted ray alot. Did ray know about these insults when he came on the show?
examinationboard 3 months ago
@examinationboard I'm pretty sure he did. He probably got a lot of emails from his own fans telling him about it if he didn't already know.
lasoogneypubes 3 months ago
What do you say to a christian to shut them up in a debate?
Lindemann04109 3 months ago
@Lindemann04109 You can't lol. This debate is unwinnable. Christians will just stick to their guns no matter how often you point out how absurd their claims are.
lasoogneypubes 3 months ago
@Lindemann04109 If they say you can't disprove god tell them that one is never required to prove a negative and that is a law of logic. If they get it, they will stfu, if they don't they will stfu, lol
8000cheese 3 months ago
@Lindemann04109 "What do you say to a christian to shut them up in a debate?"
Debate requires logic. The typical Christian debater does not apply logic to topics of religion.
Primarily I find it is most useful to be well versed in the Bible. If you can cite 'chapter and verse', they get frustrated that their minister/preacher/priest so misled them. They may realize they should read and research on the Bible, which will either shut them up or cause them to no longer be a Christian.
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@Lindemann04109 "the burden of proof is on you, to give me a good reason why I should believe what you say."
badzulu44 2 months ago
Matt makes a very good point about ethics and atheism. The next time a religious person tries to suggest that without religion there is no morality I'm going to mention Matt's point. He could easily get rich by pretending to be a believer but his morality, which survives quite well without religion, won't let him.
ArtemiaSalina 3 months ago
Im not a fool. I just dont believe in gods and angels and unicorns.
IoIocaust 4 months ago
A religion that takes no account of practical affairs and does not help to solve them is no religion.
Mohandas Gandhi
Be obscure clearly.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
i was with a friend of mine (we are both atheists that used to be christians) and he was on the phone talking to one of his buddies, and his friend asked what religion i belong to, and my friend stated that i was an Apostate.
when this was mentioned, his friend asked what that was, and my buddy said "It means he quit." i don't know why it struck me as so funny.
Br4nd0nH776 4 months ago
@Br4nd0nH776
I think they look at apostates generally as being worse than the unsaved. As they can still bully and bulshit the unsaved the apostate has been inside the org and read some bible and basically knows to much.
That makes you a bigger risk as gaining knowledge will always undermine faith.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
Interesting. I think the last type of Thesis skeptic Matt was talking about was the last type I was before I became an Atheist... Reminds me of myself.
truckcompany 4 months ago
i'm an atheist and lesbian myself but i have a christian straight roommate who so awesome cuz she's fine with me being gay and an atheist... and we have plenty of heated debates on different subjects mostly about religion and the church in general... so i mean i have plenty of decent theistic friends who are rational and not bat shit crazy like most of the theists i see on youtube or the news! in fact i think being religious makes her be a better person!
gablison 4 months ago
I think that MOST of the TV evangelists, and the large gathering/healing preachers are Atheists pretending to believe. You can't knowingly screw over so many people over and over and not fear hell if you believe in it.
skywize 4 months ago
@skywize irrelevant. those who deceive others must deceive themselves first.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha That would mean that there is no such thing as lying... You may want to reword that a little.
skywize 4 months ago
The Orthodox Church (the most conservative of them all) states that the appearance of contradiction between the Christian teaching and natural science stems from ignorance of at least one of these subjects. Charles Darwin said that you can be an ardent Theist and an evolutionist, and that he has never been an atheist but that agnosticism best describes his state of mind. - but america is full of fanatics and atheists arguing the hell INTO each other... kinda sad, isn't it?
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
Except that if you read the bible as the word of a god or at least written by a god through a person, it becomes quite clear you cannot believe in both the way the bible says things are and our scientific account of the way things are. If you think rationally about reality you must begin to realize there are parts of the bible that make no sense. Then, you have to see no gods were involved in its writing. If no gods are involved, anything based from it is useless, including faith.
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast that can happen only if yoou reduce scriptures to their literal wording. thats what fanatics do. if that is the way you wanna approach things, go ahead.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
But that is what many do, and frankly, it's the only thing that can make any sense (even though it doesn't make sense, itself).
If an individual approaches the bible as nothing but metaphors written by people, they then should realize that there is no point to acknowledging anything that it has to say, including its spiritual and miracle claims, as those can be metaphors.
It's ultimately self-defeating for faith to view the bible in a way that doesn't conflict with science.
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast
so the vast majority of friendly, intellingt, educated and open-minded christians actually dont understand their faith, only the kkk and atheists get it right... like pissing on my leg and telling me its rain...
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
What I am saying is they don't fully apply coherent thought that follows a pattern of logic based on evidence in every area of their religion. They freely admit the bible is demonstrably and morally wrong in many claims, but still somehow believe the miracle accounts are true. They turn a blind eye to their faith as a whole and resort to a god of the gaps mentality for anywhere science hasn't been yet.
If you play religion, you play it all-in, or you're gonna be out eventually.
Damarcast 4 months ago
i dont "use" God to fill gaps or to hide from my ignorance... i am very much into science, and understanding how nature works does not indicate its not created. i do also not agree that the bible is immoral. Gods will is the benchmark of morality. fear of the flesh and ignorance of spirituality make His mercy seem cruel to some of us. religion is not about patterns of evidence, its about emotions and its not a game, but a way (or many different ways) to look at the world and your life.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha so the rape, genocide, theft , human sacrifice and slavery found in the bible as done by or commanded by god is not immoral? If you think that stuff is morally acceptable, you're an asshole.
MrCalmlikeaBomb 4 months ago
@zragisha
Are you actually going to respond with any substance, or keep going with your faith-based babble?
Words like spirituality don't make sense unless you define them.
Religion is about emotion? What the fuck are you talking about?
I don't even need to go on. You'll continue to use terms without defining them or giving evidence to their existence. I'll tell you about how you're wrong, and you'll defend those with more blanket terms that mean 1000 things to 1000 people.
You are so EZ.
Damarcast 4 months ago
@zragisha
PS: LOL you think slavery and genocide aren't wrong.
You so EZ, apologist christian.
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast I do think slavery and genocide are wrong, but I think its ridiculous to accuse God of these crimes. It is not murder when He takes back the lives that He gave to us, and having trust in His will is the only way to be free of fear, egoism and arrogance. I do neither justify nor apologize, I just happen to have a view that differs from yours...
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
Great, so instead of answering with substance, you resort to having me pull your teeth. Fine. I'll hold your hand through this. Answer these and we can make progress.
Do you believe that the bible is an accurate account of God's moral character, or anything at all about its character? In other words, when the bible says God sayeth or commandeth, do you believe it?
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast no. morality is human, God is above that and there is no accurate account to His character. I believe the Bible gives accurate account to subjective, divine inspiration.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
If morality is human, why do more intelligent animals exhibit morality? You can google the studies if you like.
If there is no accurate account to God's character, how can you even attempt to claim you understand anything about it?
The bible is an accurate account of subjectivity, check. How do you know there is any divine inspiration? Because you just "feel" it is? How do you know it's anywhere close to what your God actually wanted?
Come on, you can think better than this.
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast well if you define morals simply as patterns of behaviour even not so intelligent animals have their morality, yet I'm not sure where to draw the line between the instinct of self-preversation and ethical self-reflection... but never mind... off-topic.
whats wrong with my thinking? yeah, I do feel there is a God and I know that emotion, intuition and faith are as much a part of human nature as rationality and logical thinking are.
zragisha 4 months ago
@Damarcast I can understand if youre pissed off by people who say that evolution is just an opinion or or that the big bang was made up by satan... denying a truth obvious to everybody is a severe sin against the Holy Spirit.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha
Changing the subject with more babble without answering questions, performed like any true apologist Christian. Well done.
(hint: this means the conversation is over now)
Damarcast 4 months ago
@Damarcast the phrase "in other words" is usually not used to lead over to a further question. yes, i do believe this divine inspiration is authentic, God sayeth what He sayeth and commandeth what He commandeth, and its the best thing that can happen to your soul :)
zragisha 4 months ago
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@Damarcast the phrase "in other words" is usually not used to lead over to a further question. yes, i do believe this divine inspiration is authentic, God sayeth what He sayeth and commandeth what He commandeth, and its the best thing that can happen to your soul :)
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha 'i dont "use" God to fill gaps or to hide from my ignorance' ... and then you do th exact same thing in the rest of the comment.
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@topperheartramada I don't hide from my ignorance, I express my emotions about it. And I don't belive to know everything, but that there is One Who does.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha how do you know??????????
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@topperheartramada How do you know you're in love? You feel it...
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha because love is a feeling. 'there being someone who knows everything, i.e. god' is not a feeling, it's a factual statement about the universe.
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@topperheartramada no, its not... its a factual statement about my subjective perception of the universe.
zragisha 4 months ago
@topperheartramada I BELIVE that there is One Who knows, because it feels this way, to me... its like explaining an orgasm to somebody who never had one... no words can tell.,.
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha well that's masturbation for you
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@topperheartramada in ya face...
zragisha 4 months ago
@zragisha How could you hide your ignorance your comments speak for itself.
spareaxe 4 months ago
@MegTheKoala No, because the way that God allegedly feels towards us is not the unbelievable part.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 5 months ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
hmm... i understand now... thanks :)
MegTheKoala 4 months ago
@MegTheKoala This is a good thing to get into the habit of doing. In anything that you are investigating (in this case, claims made by scripture) look at all of the key elements of what is being said and assess everything from your own perspective as either plausible or not plausible. Then look into finding explanations for the things that you thought were not plausible. If you can't find logical explanations for these things then you are not justified to believe without further evidence.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 4 months ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
quite true, i try to question and study/analyze claims people make and beliefs that people have. lol im a youngin... im about ready to be confirmed into the catholic church (in about a year) but have started actually THINKING about thing... thats brought me to a whole new world of knowledge, and now im having doubts....
MegTheKoala 4 months ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
also...i like to ask my priest questions and debate with him... hes a good man... will admit when hes wrong or doesnt know, but provides logical explanations for things (explanations i investigate further before accepting them)...do you have any suggestions of things/questions that i could say/ask that may stump him or require him (and i) to think deeply? thanks :)
MegTheKoala 4 months ago
@MegTheKoala I went to a catholic middle school and when it was time for confirmation I also had doubts and didn't want to. The problem is that my parents, peers and everyone at the school and church forced me to do it anyway. If I were as strong then as I am today I surely could have been more successful in my resistance, but sometimes when you are a kid it's really difficult to get people to take your personal decisions seriously. Don't allow that to happen to you if you don't want to do it.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 4 months ago
Great segment!
funderkitty07 5 months ago
@TheAtheistExperience
IM SORRY! it was a stupid question anyway...
by doesnt care i mean he doesnt love us.. he could care less what we do and may or may not hate us all...
i get what your saying... thanks :)
~meg
MegTheKoala 5 months ago
@MegTheKoala Now ask yourself the same question; "would you see it easier to beleive in said god if he was referd to as omnipresent/potent but that belief also stated that god didnt love us and god doesnt care? "
but instead of "god" use the words "green magical dragon" and check how that sounds to you.
Done?
OK, that's how your original question sounds to me.
Moreba 5 months ago
@Moreba
ahh...ok... i fail... sorry
MegTheKoala 5 months ago
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
thank you!
dahlusion 5 months ago
The devil could do what ever he wants be don't care if you worship him or not he is the father of all lies the mastermind behind athiestiem he want to get people as far as possible from God this is his mission and has fooled many with athiestiem...he don't don't care if you worship him.. all he want is to get you away from God..a atheist don't believe in nothing i know that but still satan don't care in what you believe in.he still got you demionized and mixed in athiesim. Athiestiem is one of
THEMAKDON 5 months ago
@THEMAKDON I take it there's currently a two-for-one sale at Empty Assertions "R" Us.
theystoleitfromus 5 months ago
@THEMAKDON why are you even here, posting religious spam comments?
all of christian arguments have proven to be broken and defeated or at least, proven not to have scientific evidence at all and no logic that can back up such idiotic claims.
If your goal is to convert somebody to christianity, using those arguments and saying that atheism is 100% wrong, that is not going to get you anywhere.I f you are against us and say that we are wrong just because a supernatural claim, is worth a laugh.
LilProveInn 5 months ago
@THEMAKDON So if atheist "don't believe in nothing" doesn't that mean we do believe in something? Your conversation is incoherent please re-read what you are saying before you hit post. But if you meant atheist's believe in nothing you are wrong. Try listening to what people have to say if you expect them to listen to you.
If satan is the father of lies then does that make God the grandfather of all lies? Food for thought. Why did God make this system and instead make no lies?
ToiletBomb 5 months ago
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ToiletBomb 5 months ago
@THEMAKDON Demons? Please. More superstitious bullshit.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
lol i figured it was bullshit before i even started school do i win an award?
MrPhantompants 6 months ago
I hate to say this but the calls from atheists are kind of boring. I like it better when christian fundamentalist creationist retards call up the show and get owned.
ornitorrinco01 6 months ago
@ornitorrinco01 i find fundamentalist creationist boring but dont call them stupid your not any smarter then them
FIGHTFANNERD3 4 months ago
There are no atheists in foxholes
ikawpipa 6 months ago
@ikawpipa Yes, yes there is and I was one of them.
asvoth 6 months ago
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@asvoth - not only do you lie about your name.
ikawpipa 5 months ago
@ikawpipa Have you never heard of Pat Tillman? Just one example of many.
markcaddo 6 months ago
@ikawpipa There are no tired, flogged-to-death untruths that don't become ever less convincing.
theystoleitfromus 5 months ago
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MrD3STR03R 6 months ago
Ray comfort's religion is selling his 60+ books.
I made this same statement on the 'Way of the Master' comments section and have been banned from commenting on their videos now.
pimpymcdougall 6 months ago 5
Best people ever. I love you guys
incaugnito37 6 months ago
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koolanator 6 months ago 20
@koolanator "I decided that I should bisbelieve, just so I could freely knock off a crafty one!"
Really, dude?
PsychoticSnake 6 months ago
@PsychoticSnake Ha-ha. It's a joke dude and jokes are better if you tell it in the first person; recognize the Family Guy reference? The one where Chris is trying to take a shit for weeks; but every time he goes to the bathroom his grandfather thinks that he's rubbing one out - so he says that "I know what you are doing, it's a sin and Jesus is watching you!" Chris responds "Oh no, I'm a sinner and Jesus is a pervert..."
No? Oh well. ha-ha.
koolanator 6 months ago
@koolanator Yes, I am familiar with that scene. Don't make assumptions like you did in your last sentence.
PsychoticSnake 6 months ago
@koolanator Wow, I'm not a fan of religion but that's disturbing...
Minecraft4life1000 6 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 Family guy's joke. Not mine
koolanator 6 months ago
@koolanator O.o
Minecraft4life1000 6 months ago
@koolanator lmfao.. that is the funniest thing i have ever heard.
runeflame16 4 months ago
@koolanator The most fucked up part of that story is that you immediately went to the bathroom to jerk off when you heard that your grandma died.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 4 months ago
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the cogent mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible, to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please master make my wishes come true."
scotttebben 6 months ago
Its embarrassing to the human race that religion still exists That grown,mature adults are believing something that is on the same plain as fairytales and folklore. Bc you were drilled with this bullshit since the exit of the womb.its normal to believe it so deeply.NOONE is an evil sinner at birth.Just be nice to people.If you steal something from ur friend.Hes gonna wanna even the score so THATS where our morals comefrom.I dont want to be treated badly bc of my bad actions. be nice=reciprocated
Screatus 6 months ago
@Screatus sorry but plane* i agree with what you said though
incaugnito37 6 months ago
nonskillet -“An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. Atheists aren't claiming to be masters of science. you silly.” Being hypocritical won’t set you on the next stage. Since you are what I knew you were, I will explain, atheists are not fully developed scientifically by Science, so their point of view is just inmmature. I laugh because they tickle the Universe. Hehehe
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf How about you get back to praying. It's the only thing your brain will have logically emphasized on, according to theocracy.
RockAustinDXtakerRk0 7 months ago
@Airlightf Atheist simply don't believe in a god. Why do people always bring Atheism and science together? Atheism is this simple. I don't believe in a god because there is no proof of one. That simple. Even IF there was proof of one. We would have to find out which god it was, what are his views on human morals, why would he allow such horrible things to happen, why does he require worship or belief, and etc.
KingWithoutaCause 5 months ago
What are atheists anyway? Are they pupils of Science or MASTERS OF SCIENCE? If they are just students and not masters, What are they going to boast about? Will any rational thinker agree with their view on God? NO
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. Atheists aren't claiming to be masters of science. you silly.
noskillet 7 months ago
@Airlightf example of a rational view - there is no reason to believe anything to exist if there is no evidence.
Thats the category your god falls in, along with bigfoot, fairies, pixies, leprecauns.
ExcaliburClan 7 months ago
...ha... matt would need to shave, and grow his hair back out for the evangelist circuit....gawd came and spoke to me, and bestowed upon me this tele-coiffure...
compvm33 7 months ago
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Matt. You're fucking awesome.
That is all.
TheBiAtheist 7 months ago
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TheBiAtheist 7 months ago
Religions were started through people's ignorance because they wanted solutions. They didn't know why things happened so they made things up. The Sumerian tribes created basic polytheism to explain nature. Christianity itself is a branch of another branch of Judaism. Judaism was another old example of polytheism. Even old japan used the kami for explanation of the moving earth's heat.
TheAsianified 7 months ago
People don't like to not have explanations. They don't like being uncertain. They don't like not knowing. And so will accept made up answers to satisfy their desire to know.
Saying "I don't know" when you don't, is the smartest answer possible because it means you know when you do not have evidence to say you know. It also means you can find out to really know or have to accept that nobody knows yet giving you the chance to find out.
Madkite 7 months ago
There are many things which can never be explained like "Faith". No one has the right to challenge another's faith. Faith to me is what ever you beleive in with out lookin for miraculous signs from the clouds or lookin through some hi-tech microscope searching for facts to conclude ones way of life. We could sit & make wise jokes about each other faiths as we r now but by the end of the day its you and ur conscience. I am a man of faith my God resides in my heart for the rest of my graceful days
rodd231 7 months ago
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What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain(10 Commandments)? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for your sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have eternal life
gramosjr7 7 months ago
@gramosjr7 That is completely immoral. Not only that but the fact that if you did NONE of that and you did not believe you would STILL be tortured forever. Your religion is not only immoral, it is disgusting and should be abolished completely. Not to mention the fact that there is NO evidence that any of this is even remotely true.
Ni73sh4d3 7 months ago
@gramosjr7 Yes accurate story, and also The Ranger then gives an epilogue explaining that Goldilocks has changed her ways, continued to be friends with the bear family, and eventually had a daughter of her own with identical golden curls.
alejandro0002 6 months ago
It's not true to say there is no evidence for the claims of Christianity. You may not find the evidence compelling but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am the exact opposite of Matt and Jen. I was converted BECAUSE of the evidence. Matt told me that he was a Christian because "I was convinced because it "felt" real and true and it felt this way because everyone around me held the same views and because I didn't have the desire or skills to think critically about what I beleived."
caveatemp 8 months ago
@caveatemp What evidence is there?
Strangerinasland 8 months ago
@caveatemp I think what did it for me was that they've been bringing people back to life after hours of being dead and those brought back have nothing to say about an afterlife and that there id no proof at all that jesus even existed. Those 2 there left no more doubts
splicedenergy 8 months ago
@splicedenergy So you're telling me you believe the testimony of zombies? If you live to tell the tale then you weren't truly dead. There are all sorts of 'dead.' Heart surgeons put people into a sort of death all the time. No heart beat, no breathing. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. To me the evidence of the undead- even if their brain flatlines- is sketchy at best.
caveatemp 8 months ago
@caveatemp No, I'm talking about those being dead for 2 hours + not sketchy at all.
splicedenergy 8 months ago
@splicedenergy It comes back to the issue of what kind of evidence one finds credible. For me the testimony of near death experience is much too subjective and impossible to verify scientifically or even empirically probable from a theoretical perspective. There are a few interesting cases that show there is a 'supernatural' out of body remote viewing phenomenon but these cases say nothing for or against afterlife.
caveatemp 8 months ago
@caveatemp For someone that just said those who flat line momentarily aren't credible and then turned around and think their claims of "out of body" could be is contradictory. I said those who've been dead for hours not minutes is whom I am referring. That is not near death, 2 hours of being dead is not "near death. Those are empirical, you are grasping at straws and liars
splicedenergy 8 months ago
@splicedenergy It's not the time transpired flat lined, it's the empirical evidence gleaned from each particular case. There's one case I remember where the out of body observer saw things on the roof of the hospital. The objects were confirmed to be there through independent investigation. Gary Habermas has done a lot of research on this topic. It's fascinating to see the cases that can be scientifically verified. Still, all the cases I have read are religiously neutral.
caveatemp 8 months ago
@caveatemp Who is to say he/she had never been there before, seen a picture, was told by another etc. You are making a judgement of a few and far between cases. I make mine through the many and often that are indeed empirical. You should see "Back from the dead" on my channel. This happens all over the world everyday. A few indemonstrable flukes is enough for you to hang on to your beliefs, fine. But the fact that you ignore the rest is a problem
splicedenergy 8 months ago
@splicedenergy I don't know what specifically you are talking about so I have no comment. Each case should be examined carefully and not be glossed into an amorphous category, of that I am sure of. Ignorance is a problem but I can assure you I am not intentionally ignoring evidence. I am not any kind of professional investigator into this phenomenon. I clean houses for a living. I will check out your upload. It sounds interesting
caveatemp 8 months ago
guarantee you that the vast majority of atheists know a lot more about religion that those whose actually buy into that religion, funny if you think about it
managarm1349 8 months ago
The only times in my life I have been ripped off, I mean really ripped off in investments for tens of thousands of dollars, they were all headed by very religious people who believed they were right, and were at the same time aware that their investments were lies.
aegisgfx 8 months ago
Ignorance is Bliss it seems.... just sad so many people are indoctrinated into religion as children :( ,thats why it still survives today.
TheRacketBoss 8 months ago
@TheRacketBoss ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power ;)
ItsNotEvenSunny 8 months ago
@ItsNotEvenSunny indeed ;)
TheRacketBoss 8 months ago
Christians: Because thinking is hard...
Doum92 8 months ago 2
why most of people are religious ?
easy :
being ignorant is easier
being an atheist requries you to think.
jasontrail 9 months ago 105
@jasontrail Welcome to Sweden! Here, almost all pepole think! ;)
Azzwer 9 months ago
@Azzwer North America will catch up. You just wait!
BlckSbthMan 8 months ago
@Azzwer
i have noticed that atheist nations are smarter, cleaner, greener, with a higher national IQ and lower crime rate, not to mention better relations with other countries.
atheist nations are better in every way (excluding china)
Mikeybetts 8 months ago
@Mikeybetts Ah but I think you can find a better link there.
What's the recurring theme there?
UK, Australia, Europe and North America are Atheist countries or have a lot of Atheists in them. But what of countries like Malaysia, China and Japan? Take Malaysia for example. The demographics say that most of it's population is Buddhist, so then why is it so developed?
Absence of heavy Muslim, Christian or Jewish fndmntlsm = More development, going in an upward curve Abrhmc fndmntlsm stops dvlpmnt.
noaccount4 8 months ago
@noaccount4
because buddaists aren't savage, buddaism is a peaceful religion unlike islam OR christianity.
thats why
Mikeybetts 8 months ago
@Mikeybetts So religion = savage? o_O
Also it's Buddhist, at the risk or sounding like a grammar troll ;]
Personally Buddhism should be a religion BECAUSE it is one of the few that actually wants peace.
Christiany or Islam... Well I definitely agree with you there, both can (and are largely) savage or corrupt ;)
noaccount4 8 months ago
@noaccount4
exactly.
Buddhism (thanks for correcting that) has not had a single account of killing scientists for learning more about the world, while christianity and Islam have both got a long and bloody history of genocide, slavery and corruption
Mikeybetts 8 months ago
@Mikeybetts
I'm not sure about genocide(Maybe in Myanmar), but buddhists also have a history of slavery and corruption. political conflicts being the center piece of these hardships. it's more likely that humans are just stupid no matter what religion/philosophy they chose
LuminousTruth 8 months ago
@jasontrail it's not really ignorance...I would say it's because people are weak...they're to affraid of what will happen to them if they reject god aka eternal sufering and all that shit.
Zerrattul 8 months ago
@jasontrail "being an atheist requries you to think"
Not necessarily. Someone can be an atheist without critical thinking.
Strangerinasland 8 months ago
I think religious people find comfort their beliefs. I think they would fear a world in which there is no "meaning" as they have come to conceive of it. That doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable.
NotWithstandingThis 8 months ago
@jasontrail Good point! Religion is the way of the lazy. Thinking, reading, and learning something takes a little work! WORK!! Oh God help us!!!!
Lennon4ever1 7 months ago
@Lennon4ever1 yes, actually when i totally accepted i was an atheist, my world turned upside down.
i mean what was real, was now bullshit, and what was unreal was now the truth. i explain myself: i used to think it was possible for a man to walk over the water with magic, or resurrect people. now because im not a complete asshole i know that's bullshit. i used to think that what i saw in the movies, aliens, gallactic alliances, zombie viruses, time travel, and a lot of stuffcan might be real
jasontrail 7 months ago