All you can learn from watching a video of one style vs another is one way in which they did interact. You need to look at the rules of the fights, the context, and a vast collection of fights to make a judgement. But on a deeper more philosophical note, guys with small dicks need to stop taking it personally that their art may or may not be the best out there. (Unless they're training special forces or something when it actually matters)
Some of you people are confusing BJJ with MMA. BJJ uses the gi a LOT in training. Most judokans and BJJs can do both gi and no-gi. Like one instructor said, if all you know is no-gi, then you've got less than half the advantage. Knowing both prepares you for so many situations in and out of the ring. People who fight in MMA train in several disciplines. BJJ is just one part and has plenty of "with gi" pracitce.
Great choke. All the bickering about Jiujitsu, Jujitsu and Judo is dogmatic and silly. Sounds like a bunch of Christians arguing for their denominations while ignoring the core principles.
@IG8E8 Thank you. This guy is not a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. Maybe Japanese JuJitsu, but not Jiu-Jitsu... notice the extra "i" ... there is a major difference. Second, why does a Judo guy know the Ezekiel Choke. I was going to question his kimono top but that doesnt matter. I just find this whole explanation suspect.
Silly , as far as BJJ vs JUDO this is the one of of ten that judo wins. f you think this is trolling of BS please let me know. ANY JUDO fighter (i would like to REINFORCE that) ANY is more than welcome to come down to any BJJ gym and try a bullshit ezequiel on anyone with a colored belt and walk out with the arm wrapped .
Regarding throwing in the street. When thrown by a judo fighter, one who trains at a very high level, you will not get up, there is no need for a follow up. Throws are designed to injure and maim. If you are talking about 2Xweekly dojo trainer, good chance you won't get thrown.
I have trained in both BJJ and Judo clubs and they are nothing alike! BJJ ground fighting is completely, and I mean completely different that Judo training on the ground. Real judo practitioners don't even work from their backs! Get out there and find out geniuses.
I'm gonna throw two words out there........... "combat sports"
arguing about wether bjj, judo, sambo, muaythai etc being better than the other is pointless...
However, I think we'd all agree, the footballer at the bar acting like he's the best thing since sliced bread realy doesnt have a fucking chance anymore.... where ten years ago, that may not of been the case.
This doesn't prove that Judo is a better art. I started in wrestling then judo and finally jiu jitsu. There is a video of Royce Gracie in a Judo tournament on youtube. He beat the judo man but this doesn't prove one art is superior. I embrace judo,jiu jitsu and wrestling. A great man said "the truth in combat is different for each indvidual. Research your own expierience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is specifically your own.
@humblegrappler Was the Judo tournament in which Royce Gracie fought a tournament with ONE SINGLE world class Judoka????? Was there ONE single professional Judoka who had won at least national competitions?????? Or was it only a local Judo tournament where people fought who train Judo only two times per week without lifting weights????
@01Proust I honestly don't know the level of competition that he went up against in that tournament. You seem to be trying to make some type of point. If so, what is it? I can tell you that Rickson Gracie submitted Heyward Nishioka and Nishioka seemed to be able to throw Rickson at will.
@humblegrappler For me a grappler who has no balance at all and who can be thrown at will is no world class grappler but just a funny sportsman.On the street nobody can afford being thrown at will.
@01Proust Agreed but I hope you aren't refering to Rickson, that would make you a joke. On the street when you throw someone there is no ref to hold up your hand and yell ippon, and after you throw someone you had better know how to followup with a submission because you can still get beaten by the guy you threw.
When it comes to no time limits competition BJJ is of course better to practice but for real world street survival i would go for judo because of the way its practiced.Avoid being thrown and if it goes to ground be on top and quickly move to a dominant postion as opposed to falling backward and dragging someone into guard which is not really great for the street.
@Thensolomonsaid bjj guys don't all pull guard. Watch ufc 1. BJJ as a single art is the most effective in unarmed combat. Even if they do pull gaurd, which is fine unless your out numbered. A skilled pratictionar on the ground will easily handle someone larger, bigger, and stronger than them. Judo is a nice compliment to BJJ, it is not a substitute.
Re Nick Diaz; Yes even Boxing and Judo is awesome combination, but whats come from MMA is that no gi grappling wrestling judo/BJJ combination (locks/position/strangles) with boxing and striking skills is the best.(wrestlers not allowed on back or lose points...
But this isnt very practical for self defense Judo works bestl with clothes on and MMA fighters clearly avoid clothing to avoid being thrown hard. Most of the time most humans wear clothes......lol
@chchjudoschool my thoughts are gi would only be good if learned if everyone wore jackets all the time. most people wear sweaters or t-shirts i would say and the few fights i have been in were my shirt was grabbed it just ripped. but i guess you learn it all to be prepared for it all. summer battles (no shirt) and arctic battles (coat)
@chchjudoschool Self-defense it is best to train in both gi and no gi grappling. Yes, most people wear clothes, but most clothes also aren't like a gi. They are designed in ways that the holds are the same, and they are not always as strong as a gi. If you try to do a hold and the clothing rips, it won't work. If you are knowledgeable in both gi and no gi grappling, this isn't a problem as you can use either depending on the situation. Selfdefense should also always have striking as a 1st choice
It's not a difficult task to find a black belt in Jiu- Jitsu that is not at a black belt level. Belt color is not as significant as where you get your rank from. The guy in the Atama gi has a very poor guard and that has nothing to do with "Judo vs Jiu- Jitsu".
It was an Ezekial choke. A good BJJ guy won't let you get that from the guard (like the judoka did). The judoka's arms were exposed for either an arm bar or triangle. And he knew he was being choked, he could have tapped...
E para finalizar:Mais bom senso na hora de comentar e fomentar discordia entre Judo e Jiu Jitsu.Ninguém ganha absolutamente nada com isto.Na verdade a tecnica de estrangulamento aplicada (Ezequiel) tem este nome no Brasil exatamente porque Ezequiel Paraguassu a utilizava com frequencia mesmo contra atletas do jiu jitsu.Flavio Canto é bom exemplo do que pode fazer um judoca quando não menospreza as tecnicas de NE WAZA.
Assino: Flavio Nobre. Professor Faixa preta 4 Grau FJJRIO.
1-Ezequiel é tecnica eficiente e pode ser usada dentro da guarda.
2-Existe diferença de peso grande entre os dois lutadores.
3-O posicionamento do passador (judoca) esta correto e fica dificil dar arm lock se você perde o tempo da defesa.Talvez uma catranca abrindo a guarda e colocando os pés na virilha mas isso é conjectura.Judo e BJJ tem a mesma origem (Kyto Ryu Jitsu) a diferença é a enfase (solo ou projeções).E atualmente o mundo todo treina BJJ.
@FoneArc Guy gets choked from the guard like someone who's never even stepped on the mat, and your "sure he's got the basics down". LOL I bet your a black belt then too... in tkd.
They both seem pretty inexperienced as grapplers. Choking from inside the guard exposes your arms. Being chocked out shows a lack of self control or awareness.
the JUJITSU guy (not BJJ) is a fucking black belt yet has no clue how to defend one of the most basic chokes in grappling? he is not worthy of a black belt!
i used to train BJJ AND Judo and remember as a BJJ blue belt i used to destroy everybody in Judo but some very high calibre guys!
You know that by putting a choke until inconsciousness like that can implie a heart attack by stopping the heart, some brains wounds by stopping the blood flow to brains and more of that, death ?
You do what you want guys, but just to win a pointless competition, you stupidely risk your life. Better to keep that for a true life or death situation in the true world, in my oppinion.
Kano wanted his students to focus on nage waza because he knew that throws develop the physical and mental power better than newaza. For self defense even Helio Gracie had a focus on nage waza. Even Royce Gracie in a book about BJJ self-defense relies on nage waza and a bit of Aikido moves. But also as far as newaza is concerned Olympic Judo is much better than BJJ as it uses much more power. For self-defense, for nage waza and even as far as newaza is concerned: Judo rules!!!!!
@01Proust have you tried doing an ezekial choke on the street? maybe you live somewhere cold so you always have sleaves. but still, good way to make a person spaz out when both your hands are occupied. i guess you could post out on your head to keep it out of the way.
@SurgiKill I think you wanted to critisize BJJ and not Judo as the balance of BJJ fighters is very weak. As I wrote judoka have very strong nage waza (throws) and Judoka have a training focus on throws and maintaining their balance. Judo throws work perfectly in self-defense and I know this from expercience. Of course, judoka also have to train punching and weapon training as Kano wanted his students to do so. Nobody breaks the balance of a good Judoka, but the balance of Bjj is very poor.
I LOVE THIS GAME !!!!!!!.....THAT WHY I DO JUDO -N- BJJ.....JUDO FOR THE TROW AND FASTER MOVE ON FLOOR AND BJJ FOR LEAN THE PROHIBITED MOVE IN JUDO....
@chchjudoschool i have a question i want to be clear that judo influence bjj and jj didnt influence bjj right? because there is someone who is insisting on claiming it not so i am asking various perosn with at least some knowledge or alot of it to give me some info
@mmafan400 I'm a brown belt in judo and you're so wrong there. Not sure where you train, but that statement is incorrect. Did you know that when Dr. Kano in 1882 invented judo, there was no ground component? It was all nagewaza or standup fighting. Newaza or ground fighting came in much later. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is completely taken from Jiu Jitsu. Over the years, BJJ guys have learned some judo throws and wrestling take downs, but that's the only link to judo. End of story.
I see bjjers crying oh its llegal move the guy on the bottom should of done this that .bjjer seems tobe a fifth degree black belt so he knows wat hes doin the problem with bjj is they over think ohh im gona do spider gaurd 50 50 blah blah and this is judo will always prevail subs are straight to the point and quik and tight i mean the judoka choke him from his guard same choke yoshida did to gracie but from the mount still think gracie didnt pass out think again
This has to be rigged. I am a white belt in jiujitsu an people have tried this on me. I went with a high guard armbar. They teach tis kinda stuff on ur first day.
@favaratojr no es broma, judo tipo especializado de esta técnica como 3 dan de cinturón negro 5 años, es sutil y tennacious la aplicación de sus favoritos. BJJ teccher es buena persona, simplemente engañados por el favorito eficiente.
@miltondemelo1984 Hi, It is because the other guy is good and specialized in that between the legs strangle attack, not because the defending Brazillian JJ Black belt was bad, he is a proven good fighter that was caught out in this simple looking but quality attack
@chchjudoschool I just thought i would ad to this bjj is judo in all of its form . i see the same moves in judo as i do in bjj so this is an even contest . i can accept also that bjj has moved forward in some of its moves but fundamentally its judo and that where Helio Gracie developed it from.
@miltondemelo1984 no es broma, judo tipo especializado de esta técnica como 3 dan de cinturón negro 5 años, es sutil y tennacious la aplicación de sus favoritos. BJJ teccher es buena persona, simplemente engañados por el favorito eficiente.
How the hell does a bjj black belt get subbed like that? I'm a purple belt and rolled with an olympic trials judo fighter and destroyed him. This is a joke.
@ajizzlejiujitsudog You destroyed Olympic level fighters? I've always held that there is huge variation in newaza skill amongst judo players but the Olympic players in my country guys that I know are at least purple belt (formally and informally). Newaza is something you can largely neglect yet still advance rank.
maybe counter with armbar? but chchjudoschool is right, tokuiwaza. the judoka's pressure pinning the bjj guy flat on the ground was what made him not do the armbar?
doesnt matter what's better, on a comp day its one person vs the other. Just because someone trains in Judo and other trains in some variant of Jujitsu it doesnt make one martial better than the other. Unless its Karate cant stand it! :o)
bjj and judo is almost the same thing except that bjj focuses more on ground fighting while judo is vice versa, and what i tend to find is that bjj fighters are almost always cocky, always have respect to any fighter.
@speedpianomaster really? im suprised, most bjj guys i know are not cocky as they have been humbled to hell when they start training by being repeatedly made to tap over and over and over and over.
my favourite choke, nicely done too. Anyone who grapples BJJ/Wrestling or otherwise round town knows to respect good judoka, just look at last weekends comp where some very nice applications of judo were used to beat several grapplers of various disciplines.
@utubesqueeze there was a big grappling tournament in Canterbury the other week. I personally train and compete in BJJ but have a great deal of respect for all the fighters there, wrestlers and judoka alike deserve it and can hold their own with a BJJ fighter any day, anyone who says differently is ignorant and hasnt crossed trained with enough different disciplines in my honest opinion...
I am sorry but shilakdo doesn't know what he is talking about, this judoka specializes in this technique, has a higher understanding as he learnt subtleties and applies amazing pressure, is tennacious and patient in application. In judo we call it a tokuiwaza! A favourite. A basic technique performed at high level!
im sorry but chchjudoschool dosent know wtf he is talking about.. no black belt in jiu jitsu would be choked by that and not take the arm bar which is stairing them in the face the whole time.
@shlakado it sounds so easy -> just take the arm and finish the armbar... looks like you never spend time in a bjj/judo or whatever grappling gym, its nearly impossible to make the amrbar out of this position he was in...
If you've ever practised judo, you would know that they also do armbars like in BJJ and block them too. Those originated from judo. I'm not undermining BJJ, but what I'm saying is that a judoka with good grappling skills is just as effective as a bjj-practicioner.
@shlakado The armbar isnt the problem, he allows hands around his neck which he shouldn't. He tries to skip his hips out when he feels the tightness, no luck though, judoka's weight is well positioned..
@shlakado everyone gets caught dont try to say what you would have done in that situation cause its ridiculous yes an armbar was there i see that doesnt mean he isnt a good black belt for not getting it.
I am really sorry disagree with you .. BJJ you will be able to defend your self faster and more efficient than judo ... i did judo for 8 years and isn't the same when i start doing BJJ
Classic sleeve choke. It's in Brazilian Ju-jutsu as well, I believe, since the art was born from the the Gracie Family's work on pre-World-War-Two-era Judo. As always, it's the artist more than the art that wins the fight. On that note, I like that you put "this time..." at the end. It makes you seem less arrogant (assuming that you did it) compared to the multitude of other "[style] vs. [style]" videos. Thanks for the upload.
nice work, but you couldnt do this technique in a real situation. Unless you lived back in the samurai era wearing a gi in Japan. Or you walk around in a gi all day. Nonetheless greatly done by the judoka.
So far in my career 13 years BJJ i NEVER SEEN A JUDO GUY win a match agaist us ...unfortunatly this young inesperient Jiu jitsu WHITE guy didn't know the BRAZILIAN TECHNIC ..for sure...!
The Real match should be mad in BRAZIL first of all where this martial art BORN second of all put a experient Teacher to dispute that kinda match.
@GraceBarra Im a Judoka and also practice BJJ and Wrestling. Want to learn Sambo. None is the better than the other it all comes to the fighters hability. But to be honest when it comes to throws BJJ, and wrestling have a very poor posture wich makes it easy to the judoka to throw them, even more with gi. In the floor they are even, but in real life the judoka throws anybody easy, and getting Ippon with an uchi mata, harai goshi or ippon seoi nage on concrete sucks big time.
Argue all you want kids....... Judo is superior with take-downs, but don't even think about comparing it with BJJ's ground game, I speak from Combat experience, not you-tube video experience rofl. It is absolutely simple to submit Judo practitioners on the floor, who have equivalent training time as you.
Thats true for the majority of clubs, that BJJ would be better for their additional study time specializing on the ground is commonsense, but some clubs are extraordinarily good and some poor. Cant assume. A combination of coach, quality of system and training partner levels and how hard /many hours we spend training, can drastically affect our capabilities to throw you assumption out the window.
@chchjudoschool Yeah I love BJJ and Judo, Although I only train BJJ, and wrestling I have all the respect in the world for Judo guys since our BJJ classes are loaded with Judo guys also, And they offer great throws in exchange for BJJ sweeps,subs, and all around general ground techniques. I will give the judo guys this, That pure wrestlers are way way easier to submit then judo guys lol, although wrestlers are harder to takedown XD Very interesting watching judo vs wrestling in takedown war.
Its a classic clothes on vs clothes off combat system. the MMA popularity and any wrestling advantage over judo, (although they borrow our locks/chokes etc) in MMA is because they dont wear clothing.
When clothes are worn, judo is superior / easier to succeed.
@chchjudoschool Yeah if you throw clothes or a GI on even an Olympic gold medalist wrestler, And armature Judo or BJJ guy would easily choke them to sleep with a simple Gi choke. Love it haha!
@TheDarceChoke I'd say imo Judo is better for take downs, self defense in general, grapplings and throws. From experience I find Jujitsu appeals more to me, and is more useful imo when you're defending yourself against someone with a weapon, but they're both good. They both have different qualities.
All you can learn from watching a video of one style vs another is one way in which they did interact. You need to look at the rules of the fights, the context, and a vast collection of fights to make a judgement. But on a deeper more philosophical note, guys with small dicks need to stop taking it personally that their art may or may not be the best out there. (Unless they're training special forces or something when it actually matters)
2ubelazy 8 hours ago
Some of you people are confusing BJJ with MMA. BJJ uses the gi a LOT in training. Most judokans and BJJs can do both gi and no-gi. Like one instructor said, if all you know is no-gi, then you've got less than half the advantage. Knowing both prepares you for so many situations in and out of the ring. People who fight in MMA train in several disciplines. BJJ is just one part and has plenty of "with gi" pracitce.
clarkepeters22 22 hours ago
But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but he's not supposed to choke me from inside my guard. :-D :-D :-D
brottarnacke 2 days ago
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what was the choke? ezekiel choke?
nasgaf 2 days ago
Great choke. All the bickering about Jiujitsu, Jujitsu and Judo is dogmatic and silly. Sounds like a bunch of Christians arguing for their denominations while ignoring the core principles.
zensarcasm 3 days ago 3
@zensarcasm I agree it would sound silly, to someone with no practical experience in BJJ... Kinda like the guy in the black gi.
IG8E8 1 day ago
FUCK BJJ JUDO RULES
454Clone 4 days ago
all that advertisement on that guys gi made him slower than usual...
GrowingUpSortOf 4 days ago
Guy in black = NOT BJJ
...not even a blue belt. The way he flails hi legs is the dead giveaway.
The equivalent of this would be seeing someone shoot a basketball underhand granny style and calling him a basketball player.
IG8E8 5 days ago
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@IG8E8 Thank you. This guy is not a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. Maybe Japanese JuJitsu, but not Jiu-Jitsu... notice the extra "i" ... there is a major difference. Second, why does a Judo guy know the Ezekiel Choke. I was going to question his kimono top but that doesnt matter. I just find this whole explanation suspect.
felonmonk 4 days ago
@IG8E8 Uhm pretty sure Diaz is a black belt in Gracie Jiujitsu wait no im positive.
Jdrbean 1 day ago
@Jdrbean No shit I'm talking about the video-- I never mentioned Diaz.
IG8E8 1 day ago
If the spelling in the title is intentional, "JUJITSU" is a world apart from "Jiu Jitsu". And this would show in the guy's performance.
IG8E8 5 days ago
The better man won, not the better style.
blarson12 5 days ago
Silly , as far as BJJ vs JUDO this is the one of of ten that judo wins. f you think this is trolling of BS please let me know. ANY JUDO fighter (i would like to REINFORCE that) ANY is more than welcome to come down to any BJJ gym and try a bullshit ezequiel on anyone with a colored belt and walk out with the arm wrapped .
PFNasz 5 days ago
@PFNasz it all has to do with the emphasis in your training. Not all Judo guys will be tapped quickly.
But generally, BJJ is better than Judo on the ground due to the emphasis of BJJ in that aspect.
aattitude 5 days ago
Regarding throwing in the street. When thrown by a judo fighter, one who trains at a very high level, you will not get up, there is no need for a follow up. Throws are designed to injure and maim. If you are talking about 2Xweekly dojo trainer, good chance you won't get thrown.
aeschw 6 days ago
So a judo guy used ju-jistu to choke him out?
Alpinex105 6 days ago
@Alpinex105 That choke, and most others in BJJ exists in Judo. BJJ came from Judo. Judo came from various jiu jitsu schools in Japan.
aattitude 6 days ago
@aattitude Yeah you're right.
Alpinex105 6 days ago
master is a master...whatever martial art he/she practice!
Gliachi 6 days ago
I have trained in both BJJ and Judo clubs and they are nothing alike! BJJ ground fighting is completely, and I mean completely different that Judo training on the ground. Real judo practitioners don't even work from their backs! Get out there and find out geniuses.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 week ago
i think he coulda gone for the armbar...but i could be wrong
kfong99 1 week ago
eziekial choke.
fearthenightraids 1 week ago
I'm gonna throw two words out there........... "combat sports"
arguing about wether bjj, judo, sambo, muaythai etc being better than the other is pointless...
However, I think we'd all agree, the footballer at the bar acting like he's the best thing since sliced bread realy doesnt have a fucking chance anymore.... where ten years ago, that may not of been the case.
LucianLycan1313 1 week ago
This doesn't prove that Judo is a better art. I started in wrestling then judo and finally jiu jitsu. There is a video of Royce Gracie in a Judo tournament on youtube. He beat the judo man but this doesn't prove one art is superior. I embrace judo,jiu jitsu and wrestling. A great man said "the truth in combat is different for each indvidual. Research your own expierience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is specifically your own.
humblegrappler 1 week ago
@humblegrappler Was the Judo tournament in which Royce Gracie fought a tournament with ONE SINGLE world class Judoka????? Was there ONE single professional Judoka who had won at least national competitions?????? Or was it only a local Judo tournament where people fought who train Judo only two times per week without lifting weights????
01Proust 6 days ago
@01Proust I honestly don't know the level of competition that he went up against in that tournament. You seem to be trying to make some type of point. If so, what is it? I can tell you that Rickson Gracie submitted Heyward Nishioka and Nishioka seemed to be able to throw Rickson at will.
humblegrappler 6 days ago
@humblegrappler For me a grappler who has no balance at all and who can be thrown at will is no world class grappler but just a funny sportsman.On the street nobody can afford being thrown at will.
01Proust 6 days ago
@01Proust Agreed but I hope you aren't refering to Rickson, that would make you a joke. On the street when you throw someone there is no ref to hold up your hand and yell ippon, and after you throw someone you had better know how to followup with a submission because you can still get beaten by the guy you threw.
humblegrappler 6 days ago
like I said. it's the artist...not the art...
warspectre 1 week ago
The guy also trains bjj... Joking hahaha.
pedicalc7 1 week ago
When it comes to no time limits competition BJJ is of course better to practice but for real world street survival i would go for judo because of the way its practiced.Avoid being thrown and if it goes to ground be on top and quickly move to a dominant postion as opposed to falling backward and dragging someone into guard which is not really great for the street.
Thensolomonsaid 1 week ago 7
@Thensolomonsaid Totally true!!
01Proust 1 week ago
@Thensolomonsaid bjj guys don't all pull guard. Watch ufc 1. BJJ as a single art is the most effective in unarmed combat. Even if they do pull gaurd, which is fine unless your out numbered. A skilled pratictionar on the ground will easily handle someone larger, bigger, and stronger than them. Judo is a nice compliment to BJJ, it is not a substitute.
KyleMPulley 15 hours ago
I have never seen someone get choked while holding guard, razor or arm bar all day. Or feet to hips and toss them over. I dunno, no expert
Blackouttsi2 1 week ago
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUDO FOREVER!
MrRF03 1 week ago
ezekiel choke
btktaptap 1 week ago
Choked out from inside the guard. Does anyone know the name of this choke? Thanks.
wynstonsmyth 1 week ago
@wynstonsmyth here in brazil we named this choke EZEQUIEL
in the mount and in the closed guard this choke is more efective
jonathasffp 1 week ago
In my club BJJ i for those who dont have the required guts to do judo..
Faetterguf123 1 week ago
@Faetterguf123 I would imagine your club is full of egoistical dicks and lots of injuries.
Gojnic 1 week ago
@Gojnic A lot of ego's yeah, but not a lot of injuries ;)
Faetterguf123 6 days ago
nick diaz.......boxing and ju jutsu makes him the best
jasoncunden3 1 week ago
@jasoncunden3
Re Nick Diaz; Yes even Boxing and Judo is awesome combination, but whats come from MMA is that no gi grappling wrestling judo/BJJ combination (locks/position/strangles) with boxing and striking skills is the best.(wrestlers not allowed on back or lose points...
But this isnt very practical for self defense Judo works bestl with clothes on and MMA fighters clearly avoid clothing to avoid being thrown hard. Most of the time most humans wear clothes......lol
chchjudoschool 1 week ago 3
@chchjudoschool my thoughts are gi would only be good if learned if everyone wore jackets all the time. most people wear sweaters or t-shirts i would say and the few fights i have been in were my shirt was grabbed it just ripped. but i guess you learn it all to be prepared for it all. summer battles (no shirt) and arctic battles (coat)
marcusaydelott 5 days ago
@chchjudoschool Since when can you use a t-shirt for a throw? I practice judo and I love it but this is just rubbish advice.
akirabob 4 days ago
@chchjudoschool Self-defense it is best to train in both gi and no gi grappling. Yes, most people wear clothes, but most clothes also aren't like a gi. They are designed in ways that the holds are the same, and they are not always as strong as a gi. If you try to do a hold and the clothing rips, it won't work. If you are knowledgeable in both gi and no gi grappling, this isn't a problem as you can use either depending on the situation. Selfdefense should also always have striking as a 1st choice
gringofreestyler 1 day ago
@chchjudoschool But isnt a GI must stronger then normal clothes? If i tried most judo trows on normal clothes, i think they might tare
nora8brian 23 hours ago
Judo :') always wins :)
spirititi2303 1 week ago
@spirititi2303 No it doesn't
RagingDemon89 1 week ago
It's not a difficult task to find a black belt in Jiu- Jitsu that is not at a black belt level. Belt color is not as significant as where you get your rank from. The guy in the Atama gi has a very poor guard and that has nothing to do with "Judo vs Jiu- Jitsu".
thedarkknightfall 2 weeks ago
@SuperKenneth6969 thank you for posting something intelligent and factual.
thedarkknightfall 2 weeks ago
I love both styles :-) Great vid!
MrNapalm138 2 weeks ago
Não bateu apagou.
Osssssss.
ominisful 2 weeks ago
was that jeff monson on top?
bushidobrother06 2 weeks ago
@maskenken thank you for posting something intelligent and short on youtube. You actually had something valuable to say.
thedarkknightfall 2 weeks ago
It was an Ezekial choke. A good BJJ guy won't let you get that from the guard (like the judoka did). The judoka's arms were exposed for either an arm bar or triangle. And he knew he was being choked, he could have tapped...
riveselliot 2 weeks ago
I just learned that choke in my bjj class.
Cire2001 2 weeks ago
I do both. Judo is best for on the feet and BJJ is best on the ground.
killerclown789 2 weeks ago
E para finalizar:Mais bom senso na hora de comentar e fomentar discordia entre Judo e Jiu Jitsu.Ninguém ganha absolutamente nada com isto.Na verdade a tecnica de estrangulamento aplicada (Ezequiel) tem este nome no Brasil exatamente porque Ezequiel Paraguassu a utilizava com frequencia mesmo contra atletas do jiu jitsu.Flavio Canto é bom exemplo do que pode fazer um judoca quando não menospreza as tecnicas de NE WAZA.
Assino: Flavio Nobre. Professor Faixa preta 4 Grau FJJRIO.
Oss
sauron1966 2 weeks ago
Ta cheio de mestre aqui comentando não é?
1-Ezequiel é tecnica eficiente e pode ser usada dentro da guarda.
2-Existe diferença de peso grande entre os dois lutadores.
3-O posicionamento do passador (judoca) esta correto e fica dificil dar arm lock se você perde o tempo da defesa.Talvez uma catranca abrindo a guarda e colocando os pés na virilha mas isso é conjectura.Judo e BJJ tem a mesma origem (Kyto Ryu Jitsu) a diferença é a enfase (solo ou projeções).E atualmente o mundo todo treina BJJ.
sauron1966 2 weeks ago
was that a gi choke
FitnessFidelity 2 weeks ago
@FitnessFidelity No, that was a cold ass move, and the bjj guy didnt even know he was fucked. *yonk* im taking that one Gracie jiu jitsu all the way
o3AshMazing88 2 weeks ago
@o3AshMazing88 well i learned a modfied version where you grip the back of their gi and choke with that. but i dont do bjj or judo lol :P
FitnessFidelity 2 weeks ago
Jujitsu guy needs to learn some basic BJJ
IG8E8 2 weeks ago
@IG8E8 LOL...he's a BJJ black belt. I'm sure he's got the basics down.
FoneArc 2 weeks ago
@FoneArc Guy gets choked from the guard like someone who's never even stepped on the mat, and your "sure he's got the basics down". LOL I bet your a black belt then too... in tkd.
IG8E8 6 days ago
@IG8E8 LOL. Not TKD....in Tae Bo. I ordered the DVDs from an infomercial.
FoneArc 5 days ago
They both seem pretty inexperienced as grapplers. Choking from inside the guard exposes your arms. Being chocked out shows a lack of self control or awareness.
Maskenken 2 weeks ago
the JUJITSU guy (not BJJ) is a fucking black belt yet has no clue how to defend one of the most basic chokes in grappling? he is not worthy of a black belt!
i used to train BJJ AND Judo and remember as a BJJ blue belt i used to destroy everybody in Judo but some very high calibre guys!
hekoka 2 weeks ago
i liked the light rays
a nice touch
FishyOnStick 3 weeks ago
Judo is the best !
TheGitesMan 3 weeks ago
Never underestimate a good judo student.
SeoulTee 3 weeks ago
Judo won?? who was who??
Viper777ism 3 weeks ago
Why are those idiots raising his head when they are suppose to raise his legs in order to get the blood to the head?
m4s3r 3 weeks ago
You know that by putting a choke until inconsciousness like that can implie a heart attack by stopping the heart, some brains wounds by stopping the blood flow to brains and more of that, death ?
You do what you want guys, but just to win a pointless competition, you stupidely risk your life. Better to keep that for a true life or death situation in the true world, in my oppinion.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
Hahaha....Ezekial ftw! Love that choke
zaphear 3 weeks ago
Is this in NZ? Guy giving instructions from the sideline sounds Kiwi.
mdma111 3 weeks ago
Kano wanted his students to focus on nage waza because he knew that throws develop the physical and mental power better than newaza. For self defense even Helio Gracie had a focus on nage waza. Even Royce Gracie in a book about BJJ self-defense relies on nage waza and a bit of Aikido moves. But also as far as newaza is concerned Olympic Judo is much better than BJJ as it uses much more power. For self-defense, for nage waza and even as far as newaza is concerned: Judo rules!!!!!
01Proust 3 weeks ago
@01Proust have you tried doing an ezekial choke on the street? maybe you live somewhere cold so you always have sleaves. but still, good way to make a person spaz out when both your hands are occupied. i guess you could post out on your head to keep it out of the way.
SurgiKill 3 weeks ago
@SurgiKill I think you wanted to critisize BJJ and not Judo as the balance of BJJ fighters is very weak. As I wrote judoka have very strong nage waza (throws) and Judoka have a training focus on throws and maintaining their balance. Judo throws work perfectly in self-defense and I know this from expercience. Of course, judoka also have to train punching and weapon training as Kano wanted his students to do so. Nobody breaks the balance of a good Judoka, but the balance of Bjj is very poor.
01Proust 3 weeks ago
thats my favorite choke in judo, by far the strongest, done properly anyway.
stefanos624 3 weeks ago
I LOVE THIS GAME !!!!!!!.....THAT WHY I DO JUDO -N- BJJ.....JUDO FOR THE TROW AND FASTER MOVE ON FLOOR AND BJJ FOR LEAN THE PROHIBITED MOVE IN JUDO....
Welc01 3 weeks ago 7
@Welc01 good for you; both is a good way to learn what suits you, I train at both too.
chchjudoschool 3 weeks ago 2
@chchjudoschool How do you have the time required? I can't even go do one martial arts..
Kryomega 2 weeks ago
@Kryomega Sometimes we have to make time....Sacrifice your social life or refuse to do chores at home...joking,...
We all have issues with time management, how we chose to spend the time defines us.
chchjudoschool 2 weeks ago 5
@chchjudoschool I love your comment... R.I.P. Phil Porter
liamedlinkirk 2 weeks ago
@chchjudoschool Boxing & Jujitsu are a great combination to.
infokemp 1 week ago
@chchjudoschool i have a question i want to be clear that judo influence bjj and jj didnt influence bjj right? because there is someone who is insisting on claiming it not so i am asking various perosn with at least some knowledge or alot of it to give me some info
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali
bjj came from judo which came from jj.
mmafan400 1 week ago
@mmafan400 I'm a brown belt in judo and you're so wrong there. Not sure where you train, but that statement is incorrect. Did you know that when Dr. Kano in 1882 invented judo, there was no ground component? It was all nagewaza or standup fighting. Newaza or ground fighting came in much later. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is completely taken from Jiu Jitsu. Over the years, BJJ guys have learned some judo throws and wrestling take downs, but that's the only link to judo. End of story.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 week ago
@Welc01
stop yelling
kafkaesque567 2 weeks ago
I see bjjers crying oh its llegal move the guy on the bottom should of done this that .bjjer seems tobe a fifth degree black belt so he knows wat hes doin the problem with bjj is they over think ohh im gona do spider gaurd 50 50 blah blah and this is judo will always prevail subs are straight to the point and quik and tight i mean the judoka choke him from his guard same choke yoshida did to gracie but from the mount still think gracie didnt pass out think again
sonnych69 1 month ago
I use this choke all the time. It is great because you can do it from many positions and it is a low risk move.
poolboyinla 1 month ago
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ApparentlyGirlsFart 1 month ago
This has to be rigged. I am a white belt in jiujitsu an people have tried this on me. I went with a high guard armbar. They teach tis kinda stuff on ur first day.
SuperKenneth6969 1 month ago
@SuperKenneth6969 Yah, the guy on the bottom doesn't know what he is doing. If anyone reaches in your closed guard, you razor or arm bar them.
bobbysaysyo 1 month ago
Que piada... tirem a faixa preta dele e deixem-no sem nenhuma.
favaratojr 1 month ago
@favaratojr no es broma, judo tipo especializado de esta técnica como 3 dan de cinturón negro 5 años, es sutil y tennacious la aplicación de sus favoritos. BJJ teccher es buena persona, simplemente engañados por el favorito eficiente.
chchjudoschool 1 month ago
That's an illegal grip to the gi! it should of been a cave man grip. i thought it was bjj rules!
adwouldgo 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@adwouldgo please explain how this is an illegal grip. I don't see it.
UnworthyBaldHead 1 month ago
muito burro! hsauhsaushaushau
um faixa preta ser finalizado da guarda! isso é coisa de faixa branca!
só la nos gringos q isso acontece aqui no brasil esse cara ja tinha levado um lindo arm-lock!
xD
miltondemelo1984 2 months ago 2
@miltondemelo1984 Hi, It is because the other guy is good and specialized in that between the legs strangle attack, not because the defending Brazillian JJ Black belt was bad, he is a proven good fighter that was caught out in this simple looking but quality attack
chchjudoschool 2 months ago
@chchjudoschool I just thought i would ad to this bjj is judo in all of its form . i see the same moves in judo as i do in bjj so this is an even contest . i can accept also that bjj has moved forward in some of its moves but fundamentally its judo and that where Helio Gracie developed it from.
Devilbknown 4 weeks ago
@miltondemelo1984 no es broma, judo tipo especializado de esta técnica como 3 dan de cinturón negro 5 años, es sutil y tennacious la aplicación de sus favoritos. BJJ teccher es buena persona, simplemente engañados por el favorito eficiente.
chchjudoschool 1 month ago
@chchjudoschool TU ESPAÑOL APESTAS !!!!!
JuanManuelPironi 1 week ago
He choked the guy from his guard... never saw anything like that before.
FerDensetsu 2 months ago
GUYS, he is a blue belt, just so happens he washed it often and it turns black, happens to me all the time.....
mockingbird491 2 months ago 2
@mockingbird491 Ehm, look again. He has a red section on his belt for the degrees, he's a black belt.
brottarnacke 2 months ago
@mockingbird491 you dont see the red stripes on his gi i guess @22 secs
sonnych69 1 month ago
How the hell does a bjj black belt get subbed like that? I'm a purple belt and rolled with an olympic trials judo fighter and destroyed him. This is a joke.
ajizzlejiujitsudog 2 months ago
@ajizzlejiujitsudog You destroyed Olympic level fighters? I've always held that there is huge variation in newaza skill amongst judo players but the Olympic players in my country guys that I know are at least purple belt (formally and informally). Newaza is something you can largely neglect yet still advance rank.
ShalKekNemRon 3 weeks ago
That's the same move that Yoshida used to choke out Royce Gracie.
FoneArc 2 months ago
I think the difference is not only focus but rulesets create a system that differs
chchjudoschool 2 months ago 2
maybe counter with armbar? but chchjudoschool is right, tokuiwaza. the judoka's pressure pinning the bjj guy flat on the ground was what made him not do the armbar?
kenseisato1989 3 months ago
JUDO ALWAYS WIN !
aponcecortess 3 months ago
doesnt matter what's better, on a comp day its one person vs the other. Just because someone trains in Judo and other trains in some variant of Jujitsu it doesnt make one martial better than the other. Unless its Karate cant stand it! :o)
safenafe 3 months ago
How did he knock him out ?
Washingstone 3 months ago
@Washingstone looked like an ezekial choke...
ordaboy 2 months ago
judo will always win
DaddyXxXPanda 3 months ago
He should have moved to an armbar.
PandawdyBob 3 months ago
bjj and judo is almost the same thing except that bjj focuses more on ground fighting while judo is vice versa, and what i tend to find is that bjj fighters are almost always cocky, always have respect to any fighter.
speedpianomaster 3 months ago 6
@speedpianomaster I can agree with that statement.
Which I should of just thumbs up rather then replied lol
OMFGHUGEWOLF 3 months ago
@speedpianomaster How many have you met? I train with around 40 other BJJers most nights and they are always nice to me?
Finalymadename 1 month ago
@speedpianomaster really? im suprised, most bjj guys i know are not cocky as they have been humbled to hell when they start training by being repeatedly made to tap over and over and over and over.
SurgiKill 3 weeks ago
my favourite choke, nicely done too. Anyone who grapples BJJ/Wrestling or otherwise round town knows to respect good judoka, just look at last weekends comp where some very nice applications of judo were used to beat several grapplers of various disciplines.
bloodvendetta 3 months ago 4
@bloodvendetta which comps are those, please?
utubesqueeze 3 months ago
@utubesqueeze there was a big grappling tournament in Canterbury the other week. I personally train and compete in BJJ but have a great deal of respect for all the fighters there, wrestlers and judoka alike deserve it and can hold their own with a BJJ fighter any day, anyone who says differently is ignorant and hasnt crossed trained with enough different disciplines in my honest opinion...
bloodvendetta 2 months ago
What kind of choke was that? I couldn't see where his hands were because of the camera angle. It didn't seem to be a gui choke.
kickassliberal 3 months ago
@kickassliberal ezekiel choke. sneaky as FUCK
nahuelfantino 3 months ago
@kickassliberal He held his own sleeve for leverage and put his fist into the guys neck. It's a very effective move.
PandawdyBob 3 months ago
@shlakado Did your lights ever get out in a Judo-Fight?
Zim883 3 months ago
I am sorry but shilakdo doesn't know what he is talking about, this judoka specializes in this technique, has a higher understanding as he learnt subtleties and applies amazing pressure, is tennacious and patient in application. In judo we call it a tokuiwaza! A favourite. A basic technique performed at high level!
chchjudoschool 3 months ago 8
@chchjudoschool shlakado sorry
chchjudoschool 3 months ago
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ihxci 3 months ago
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ihxci 3 months ago
im sorry but chchjudoschool dosent know wtf he is talking about.. no black belt in jiu jitsu would be choked by that and not take the arm bar which is stairing them in the face the whole time.
shlakado 3 months ago
@shlakado see my comment
chchjudoschool 3 months ago
@shlakado it sounds so easy -> just take the arm and finish the armbar... looks like you never spend time in a bjj/judo or whatever grappling gym, its nearly impossible to make the amrbar out of this position he was in...
mexmen 3 months ago
@shlakado
If you've ever practised judo, you would know that they also do armbars like in BJJ and block them too. Those originated from judo. I'm not undermining BJJ, but what I'm saying is that a judoka with good grappling skills is just as effective as a bjj-practicioner.
SendoJuuso 3 months ago 3
@shlakado The armbar isnt the problem, he allows hands around his neck which he shouldn't. He tries to skip his hips out when he feels the tightness, no luck though, judoka's weight is well positioned..
EamonD129 3 months ago
@shlakado everyone gets caught dont try to say what you would have done in that situation cause its ridiculous yes an armbar was there i see that doesnt mean he isnt a good black belt for not getting it.
shanexnetherton 3 months ago in playlist Martial Principles in Practices
I love videos that pit on art vs.another
Here is the truth of the matter ...either you can make it work or you cant ...the art has very little to do with the outcome.
Hexdoll 3 months ago
I am really sorry disagree with you .. BJJ you will be able to defend your self faster and more efficient than judo ... i did judo for 8 years and isn't the same when i start doing BJJ
GraceBarra 3 months ago
Classic sleeve choke. It's in Brazilian Ju-jutsu as well, I believe, since the art was born from the the Gracie Family's work on pre-World-War-Two-era Judo. As always, it's the artist more than the art that wins the fight. On that note, I like that you put "this time..." at the end. It makes you seem less arrogant (assuming that you did it) compared to the multitude of other "[style] vs. [style]" videos. Thanks for the upload.
xjxm 3 months ago
I think you were fortunate to compete against an inexperienced Bjj opponent. :-)
Jason2252 3 months ago
nice work, but you couldnt do this technique in a real situation. Unless you lived back in the samurai era wearing a gi in Japan. Or you walk around in a gi all day. Nonetheless greatly done by the judoka.
americanmambi 4 months ago
how he did that in this position?
clyde49er 4 months ago
which one is which?
zakquack 4 months ago
@zakquack Judo guy on top, BJJ black belt the sleepier of the two.
chchjudoschool 4 months ago 10
Oh ... that could have ended badly . o.o But, beautiful strangler! : D
I have it almost guessed ... This type strangler is damned uncomfortable. But while the other gets up again he may be accused of anything ^ ^
MewMewChild 4 months ago
So far in my career 13 years BJJ i NEVER SEEN A JUDO GUY win a match agaist us ...unfortunatly this young inesperient Jiu jitsu WHITE guy didn't know the BRAZILIAN TECHNIC ..for sure...!
The Real match should be mad in BRAZIL first of all where this martial art BORN second of all put a experient Teacher to dispute that kinda match.
GraceBarra 4 months ago
@GraceBarra bjj blows, you guys always throw a hissy fit when you lose (which is more times than not) JUDO ALL THE WAY
metallimoob 4 months ago
@GraceBarra Im a Judoka and also practice BJJ and Wrestling. Want to learn Sambo. None is the better than the other it all comes to the fighters hability. But to be honest when it comes to throws BJJ, and wrestling have a very poor posture wich makes it easy to the judoka to throw them, even more with gi. In the floor they are even, but in real life the judoka throws anybody easy, and getting Ippon with an uchi mata, harai goshi or ippon seoi nage on concrete sucks big time.
fitnessboyPR 3 months ago 2
Judo is best.
riperuzzz 4 months ago
What did he do, did he wrap one hand on one side and one on the other... then pulled his own sleeves?
keeplisted 4 months ago
@keeplisted
sode guruma jime; (sleeve wheel strangle) or eziekle?? BJJ name
chchjudoschool 4 months ago
@chchjudoschool thx
keeplisted 4 months ago
@chchjudoschool Ezekiel. It's one of the few chokes if not the only where you push away.
NosShiroMedia 3 months ago
Argue all you want kids....... Judo is superior with take-downs, but don't even think about comparing it with BJJ's ground game, I speak from Combat experience, not you-tube video experience rofl. It is absolutely simple to submit Judo practitioners on the floor, who have equivalent training time as you.
TheDarceChoke 4 months ago
@TheDarceChoke
Thats true for the majority of clubs, that BJJ would be better for their additional study time specializing on the ground is commonsense, but some clubs are extraordinarily good and some poor. Cant assume. A combination of coach, quality of system and training partner levels and how hard /many hours we spend training, can drastically affect our capabilities to throw you assumption out the window.
chchjudoschool 4 months ago
@chchjudoschool :)
TheDarceChoke 4 months ago
@chchjudoschool Yeah I love BJJ and Judo, Although I only train BJJ, and wrestling I have all the respect in the world for Judo guys since our BJJ classes are loaded with Judo guys also, And they offer great throws in exchange for BJJ sweeps,subs, and all around general ground techniques. I will give the judo guys this, That pure wrestlers are way way easier to submit then judo guys lol, although wrestlers are harder to takedown XD Very interesting watching judo vs wrestling in takedown war.
TheDarceChoke 4 months ago
@TheDarceChoke
True;
Its a classic clothes on vs clothes off combat system. the MMA popularity and any wrestling advantage over judo, (although they borrow our locks/chokes etc) in MMA is because they dont wear clothing.
When clothes are worn, judo is superior / easier to succeed.
chchjudoschool 4 months ago
@chchjudoschool Yeah if you throw clothes or a GI on even an Olympic gold medalist wrestler, And armature Judo or BJJ guy would easily choke them to sleep with a simple Gi choke. Love it haha!
TheDarceChoke 4 months ago
@TheDarceChoke I'd say imo Judo is better for take downs, self defense in general, grapplings and throws. From experience I find Jujitsu appeals more to me, and is more useful imo when you're defending yourself against someone with a weapon, but they're both good. They both have different qualities.
Muckass06 4 months ago
@Muckass06 Yeah i agree
TheDarceChoke 4 months ago