FL Studio - Music Theory - Common Jazzy R&B Groove 4-3maj-6-5min-1

[gmilkboy504]

your the greatest learned this peice around an hour

[kapone815]

this sounds like so funkdafied by da brat a lil bit except a lil different

[blagmusic]

@kapone815 Ah, great spot! I used to love that track.

Just put it on but was caught out by the swearing (there's a child in the room).

Thanks for the reminder.

Peace!

[kapone815]

@blagmusic oh yeah its just sounds like it for some reason too me..lol but great tutorial and could tell me some good progressions for R&B/hiphop

[slamfish2010]

can you explain that chord you use after the third to *change* to your gmin 7?

whats its function/name?

[pakurao]

What other songs did these chords appear? can i use these chords for my song? :D

[Gugleyahoo]

@pakurao Resurrecting an old video, but that is also the chord progression to The Isley Brothers "Between the Sheets".

[siyanna]

After you do your 3-chord chromatic descend, what I love doing is make the next chord a minor 9th. Really adds some color to the chord :)

[blagmusic]

@siyanna Ah yes! sounds nice. I have that sound in my "gospel jam" video. Thanks for the knowledge.

Peace!

[josiah566]

2 people don't know about improvising on chords. Oh well.

[lecure777]

dude, i know this, its in "just like a star" by rae sumthnig or something like that.

[blagmusic]

@lecure777 Corrine Bailry Rae!:)

[lecure777]

@blagmusic

Yes her!

[MagicalCardDude]

How can you create this kind of beat without putting in those silly green blocks that take forever!! D:

[blagmusic]

@MagicalCardDude Hi, you need a "MIDI" keyboard so you play in the notes instead of clicking them in.

[MagicalCardDude]

@blagmusic Oh, how much do those usually cost? I have a Wk-110 keyboard. Will that work?

[osensei2987]

I'm a guitar player and my experience is that keyboard players normally have more theory than just about anyone else in a group. You need to get you knowledge of pivot chords together and understand modulations better! Remember that it is seldom that a tune is ever in one key for long. Most songs have key changes out the whazoo! I see guys all the time calling progressions 7-3-6 ... etc when they are actually chains of ii-V-I's.

[sandalero]

@osensei2987

your right, but its called 1-4-7-3-6-2-5-1 and the like because not only is it a chain of 2-5s but ALSO these progressions have a tonality to it. they have a KEY. a base note if you will. that holds all this together. b is the 7 in c. e is the 3 in c. a is the 6 in c. d is the 2 in c. g is the 5 in c.

IN C!!!! get it?

[habbtrillion]

I play keyboards and i agree they do!

[osensei2987]

F Maj 7 - Tonic in the key of F

The E7 is the V7 in the key of A min so that chord signals a key change (modulation) to the key of A minor.

E7 - V7 of A min

Amin7 - Tonic in Amin

G min7 - C7 = ii min - V7 in F Major which returns us to our original key. So we have :

I Maj7 in F

V7 - i min 7 in A min

ii min7 - V7 - I Maj7 in F

[sandalero]

@osensei2987

f is the 4

the 1 is c

we are in a min

nothing modulates,just a simple progression in a min

F is NOT the key/tonic

the progression just starts on the 4

[osensei2987]

Step your ii-V-I game up hommie! You need to study man!

[sandalero]

thanx for your kind reply.

imagine just for a second that you are not right. just imagine the possibility.

then try singing the F major scale (or maybe the d minor blues scale) over the whole progression, after that try singing the c major scale (or maybe the a minor blues scale) over all of these chords.

you'll see that a minor fits perfectly. the d- scale , especially the note Bb in it, is not right. ask your teacher or maybe a singer or guitar player , all of them would improvise in a-min

[osensei2987]

It's not my concern what other ppl would play! We already have enough ppl out there that end up playing cliche'! Because everyone is using the same method of modal playing over the entire progression! The result is mundane. cliche', smooth jazzniac , Kenny G sounding BS! My method is to explore the harmonic possibilities of each individual chord rather than to lock in on a single tonal center that's applied to the whole progression! When I hear ppl play like that, I yawn and walk out.

[sandalero]

@osensei2987

you're right. it definately gets boring just to play one single scale over these chords. but that has nothing to do with the fact that this is a 4-3-6-5-1 progression -and you have to know the main tonality as well as the individual scales for each chord (lydian, altered, whole-half etc) and even kenny g knows them and COULD play them if he wanted to, but he rather wants to SELL smooth jazz records. so please try not to mix up different matters here. there is a lot to learn!

[MagT800]

nice chords brotha

realy like it

[texbls]

sounds very nice, what songs have this progression, can you give some example please?

[cbvidio]

just the two of us from bill withers is one example,

[rootiful]

homie you get subcribed too. you made my day. i been searchin forever for decent R&b soundin chords. now i can learn them and show off hahaha

[slideonsteel]

And worse ... I got hip to your post by a good friend that got really confused by your video, thinking you must know what you're talking about ... because you posted it on youtube ....

[slideonsteel]

I gotta ask now ... why do you post videos like this when you don't know what they are? Don't know how to analyze them?

Loving all the posters that luv luv luv it. Should I help people count this thing out or does anyone care?

[blagmusic]

I have to repeat myself about the whole "blagmusic" thing and "Triad Power" channel.

But yes a video response would be good, I'd place a hyper-link to your video for a better/alternative analysis.

I did put a kind of disclaimer in the notes section - had you seen this?

My approach always relates to the diatonic traids of C with some unavoidable alterations.

And yes I do need to brush up on secondary dominants but I prefer to think of it as a temporary change of key.

I'll get there bit by bit..

[slideonsteel]

You should always show your chords all the way up to the 7th. That way we can tell what the qualities are. Calling a chord a Major ... when its a dominant and lacks the 7th is misleading. You did that on the E chord because you didn't know that it was a V7 of iii. A G triad in the key of C is a dominant. It just omits the 7th. But that 7th got played all over the place and is in the listener's ear.

[slideonsteel]

(in words, we would say that this was a 'five of two). Its a vi chord that's dominant. A vii chord that's dominant is a V7 of iii.

[slideonsteel]

But the E7 is a secondary dominant, and thats why you thought the thing was in A minor for a while. It was ... for the few seconds that the V was resolving to i ... (in A minor). But the A minor is the iii chord in F Major. Its a tossup sometimes whether to consider there being a key change, or a secondary dominant. A secondary dominant can occur on any chord in the key. In C, a V of ii will be an A7.

[slideonsteel]

There's nothing simple about keeping it in C. Its just plain WRONG. If you want to keep it in C, play it in C and analyze it correclty in C.

In F Major, E WOULD be dominant if it was a V of III ... You need to brush up on secondary dominants. True, in F, the V chord or the normal dominant chord would be C7 (which it is later in your piece, and confirms F Major).

[slideonsteel]

The analysis is jacked ... the progression is in the Key of F, not C, and the correct analysis is: F: || I V7/iii (a dominant, not a Maj as stated) iii (biii passing chord) ii V7 || Best wishes!

[blagmusic]

Hi,

Sorry, this is why my channel is called "blagmusic" everthing is shown in Cmajor to keep it simple.

Sometimes I just refer to the triad (not the 7th)

The same goes for omitting passing chords.

I actually thought this progression was actually in Aminor for a while then Fmajor for a while as in either key there are chords that don't belong or natuarlly occur.

Aminor: C wouldn't be a dominant

FMajor: E wouldn't be dominant or Major

Thanks for bringing that up.

Best wishes!

[Herzweh]

don't need the help,i figuered it out.

great!thanks again

saludos

[blagmusic]

Glad you appreciate!

[Herzweh]

thanks alot!very nice.

you know i am still trying to figure out how to count right.the part that starts at 1 minute and has the little walkups...could you tell me how to count that one?that would be sweet.

saludos and thanks again for your lessons

[alicia2r18]

luv luv uv luv it