MORMON BLOOD ATONEMENT 1884 Charles Penrose

[orlovna2]

Going from Joseph Smith's 1843 promoting of the doctrine of Blood Atonement, backward, to 1832, we see (on a different note), that he, Smith, prophesied the Civil War. (He did not say even what decade the Civil War would begin).

PART of that prophesy said that (the war) would signal "the end of all nations".

SORRY: that never came to pass, at all!

Applying Deuteronomy 18:20-22, to Smith's prophesy, we see that--if he had EVER been a true prophet--he FAILED THE TEST, right there, with that!

[orlovna2]

I have an "old" (not that old, really) paperback set of 8 volumes of THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, printed for the first time, in paperback, in 1978. That is the year that I bought the set. There are really only 7 volumes, but an 8th volume is just "indexing", for the other 7.

On page296, Vol. 5, of The History of the Church, we see where Joseph Smith, himself, promoted the doctrine of BLOOD ATONEMENT, at a Nauvoo City Council meeting, held on Saturday, the 4th of March, 1843.

[IExposeMormonism]

@orlovna2 I recently saw the Ppr version on ebay. I don't have it But I do have WHitney, Bancroft, 2 RLDS and another Mormon one, all c. 1900-ish. What good is Mormon History? All they do is make up lies as they go along and leave you to sort out the truth!

[orlovna2]

@IExposeMormonism

That is interesting that you would refer to a "circa 1900" date. All of the footnotes (in my 1978 edition) come right out of 1902: referencing the "standard works" (and other sources), from that year.

There is at least some degree of "consistency to the lunacy", there!

LOL

But, at the same time, it underscores the concerted efforts & the lengths to which the infamous PR "arm" of the church goes, to "sanitize" real history: and therefore to create a facade (a false front).

[sldeyo]

Excellent post.

[IExposeMormonism]

@sldeyo I found "Blood Atonement and the Origin of Polygamy" 1905, by the Living Mormon Prophet, Joseph F smith. And Posted it in a couple of versions. One with Penrose and MMMassacre....Of course, according to Penrose, the two are not related. But they are in the same book. Must be a Mormon Miracle.

[sldeyo]

=). God bless you for posting. I pray that you see the fruit of those leaving Mormonism for Christ.

[sldeyo]

This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.-BYoung JoD vol 4 pg 220

[orlovna2]

@sldeyo

And, then Brigg'um went on to include counterfeiters in that "short list" of people who he, himself, would have gladly "helped", by Blood Atoning them!

That "Brother Breed'm" was one mean, fat little puppy! (He oddly looks like that "other" mean, fat little puppy, from history: King Henry VIII )

[orlovna2]

@sldeyo

BY THE WAY, if Brigham Young REALLY thought that loving one's neighbor included helping them get executed (not by hanging, of course), then it seems that a member of his own family loved HIM enough to poison that old goat, to death: so that that Slime-ball could not marry a certain 17-year girl, as his "WIFE NUMBER 57".

And, people wonder how he got his nickname BREED'M YOUNG??

Duh !

[001hinata001]

i was born mormon, i never heard of blood atonement until i was 14 on youtube.

[IExposeMormonism]

I guess thats the good and the bad in youtube. You find out more than you want sooner than you want. At least you found the truth. keep searching. I have other posts on polygamy and blood atonement. see my most recent ones. (My movie maker is messed up or I would have more posts)

[pecheleleaw]

One of the things one must go thru, when one leaves, is to understand what u have done to others..u will know how they felt, because u will be in their place. Because that is what Christ meant in 'do to others..', if we don't we must learn. Read the Gospels, for yourself. Let Christ's message speak to YOU. Don't let any other human think they understand his message more than you. His beauty and simplicity are beautiful. He wanted to reach out to YOU. I'm not an 'expert' just an NDE survivor.

[IExposeMormonism]

What is NDE? I was never Mormon. and i agree.

[pecheleleaw]

Hello iexpose~NDE is 'near death experience', this happened when I was 19. I don't expect anyone to believe my experience, I just want to spread the 'good news'. Christ is beautiful. I just hope people keep in mind that 'the universe is always watching' and we are to do a simple thing which is 'to do to others as we would have done'. That's all. I don't want to make anyone mad or offend-this is a message for all humans, regardless of religion, etc...Take care all!

[orlovna2]

@pecheleleaw

I am a retiree from several professions: including having been a medical professional. I studied the research and books written by renowned pediatrician, Dr. Melvin Morse, in the State of Washington, in re: NDEs, in children.

(There are others whose work was focused on this kind of experience in just adults).

The universal message that they bring back with them has to do with a type of Golden Rule. This is "religion at its simplest". Thanks for sharing your experience.

[orlovna2]

@pecheleleaw

The "problem with" the "Golden Rule" is that, for Mormons to do good, there seems to be some kind of "pay-off", for them. (For example, they are "nice" to their neighbors, as part of their Every-Member-A-Missionary program: people easily see through the hidden agenda that is the reason for their being nice to their non-mormon neighbors)

The thing I hated about Mormons was that they are taught how to put on a face: to present an "image", to the world. Disingenuous is the word.

[Loopthecrazyman]

im tired of arguing with these lies im not posting anymore because you knoq im right

Thanks=D

Your christian brother,

loopthecrazyman

[Loopthecrazyman]

Sir it is not right to post false doctorines like this one. i am a member of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and i have never heard of it before i watched this video. please take it off of here

Your christian brother,

loopthecrazyman

[IExposeMormonism]

Well, loopy, the problem is this IS MORMON DOCTRINE> By a Mormon named Penrose. So, you might want to change your religion to Christianity. Mormonism is full of this. Have you seen the polygamy revelation or endowment ceremony or what happens when you mix all three and get the Mountain Meadows Massacre. You are right, this is false un Christian Doctrine. We need to convince the Mormon Hierarchy to renounce all of it.

[Loopthecrazyman]

sir i dont think you get what im saying blood atonement is wrong. blood atonement that is not praticed in our church we never talk about hurting youself to get rid of a sin. if you commit a great sin you have a conference with the bishop and he tells you how long you cant take the sacrement.

THIS IS NOT LDS DOCTORINE AND IS NOT TAUGHT OR MENTIONED IN OUR CURCH ANYWHERE.

Thanks=D

Your christian brother,

loopthecrazyman

[fairldsguy]

Great video, 5 stars!

[IExposeMormonism]

Well, just keep reading. Penrose wrote this in the context of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Penrose was mormon. It is mormon doctrine. I have far too many books Proving it is Integral to Mormonism.

[Loopthecrazyman]

Charles penrose went against the teachings of our church by writing that.

were any of those books written by an LDS person?

[IExposeMormonism]

Charles Penrose wrote For the Mormon Hierarchy. Much of what i post is mormon doctrine or witness of ex mormons like Fanny stenhouse, Josiah Gibbs, the ex wives of B. Young, etc. Many refuse to accept the testimony of ex mormons like stenhouse, gibbs, ex wives etc and simply call them apostate mormons.

[fairldsguy]

Hey Loop Joseph Smith is a false prophet.

I love this video, I ask the channel moderator to please keep it up.

I am a former mormon and I really enjoy learning all the past doctrines and issues with the church. It just reaffirms to me over an over again that Mormonism is a cult.

[Loopthecrazyman]

how many times do i have to tell you!!!

we do not practice this nor ever speak of it in the church

i have been a church member for 12 years and have never heard of it being used

also i read about about charles penrose he was a polygamist so that tells me that he didnt obey our teachings and in conclusion this book may have been written by charles penrose but went against our tteachings as he wrote false doctorines

I hope you will be able to know lies when you see them next time

thx =D

[IExposeMormonism]

Loop, Penrose wrote FOR the Mormon church. And all he was doing was explaining what already was doctrine in Mormonism. This is not hard to find or research. It is basic old fashion mormonism.

[fairldsguy]

What about JS making false prophecies in the Doctrine of Covenants? Do you really think that God wants us to follow after false prophets? JS failed the biblical test of a prophet in Deut. 18:20-22.

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Joseph Smith "fails the test". BUT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 is actually talking about true prophets who then go on to speak "presumptuously" (or, out of their own vanity, instead of speaking God's own words). So, the "test" applies to them as FALLEN prophets!

If a "prophet" (a real one) speaks presumptuously, THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE!

(God was not interested in punishing "false" prophets: just real ones who had "gone bad".)

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM:

I will also tell you "why" I see Deut. as giving the people a way to test what a "true prophet" says. The first thing that comes to mind is that ancient Israel would not have believed "wizards", anyway. (There were "wizards & scorcerers", in the ancient world).

In fact, the word "prophet", and the word commonly used for "false" prophet (viz, wizard-scorcerer), were completely different, in the Hebrew.

"FALLEN" Prophet is the subject, then, of Deuteronomy 18:20-22

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM II

Now, I am going to get even more BOLD, here, and ask you (and all mormons who wish to read this):

WHY hasn't a so-called mormon prophet prophesied, in the name of the Lord, in the last 130 years (since circa 1880 and Wilford Woodruff, as some would point out)?

ANSWER: Because they are afraid that, if they do speak "presumptuously" (or, in another words, "SPEAKING AS A MAN"), the God of Heaven will strike them down, to the ground:

for, "THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE!"

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM III

That is the whole upshot of Deuteronomy 18:20-22 !!

IF a (real) prophet speaks presumptuously, THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE!.

There is no "room" that God gives to those jack-wagons for "speaking as a man". God was not trifling with them, anciently, and He is not doing so, now, either!

ODDLY, only "if" a man had prophesied, on a previous occasion, was he called a prophet: a prophet, by definition, is "one who prophesies".

Mormon "pro$its" don't prophesy!

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM IV

I will tell you the name of a man who I, myself, think was a prophet (by the definitions and qualifying criteria of Deut. 18:20-22:

Rebbe (Rabbi) Menachem Mendel Schneerson (alternately, Schneersohn), who was a Lubavitcher Rebbe of Chassidic (Hassidc) Judaism, for 40 years.

---1902-1994

I am not Jewish. You don't have to be a Jew, to apply the test, nor to see that Rabbi Schneersohn actually prophesied (and passed the test!)

To be continued...

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM V

I will give just one example, from the life of Rabbi Schneersohn (whose name sounds German, but who lived in Nikolaev, Ukraine, until emigrating to Israel).

Schneersohn was visiting an Israeli soldier, who was being hospitalized, in a comatose condition, from a bullet wound, to the brain.

(Usually a mortal wound, on the battle field).

The rabbi looked at the man in a coma and prophesied a full recovery! (NOTE: This is not "faith healing")

Prophecy fulfilled!

[orlovna2]

@fairldsguy

ADDENDUM VI

I think that this is a "caveat", to what I said, earlier.

With good reason, I referred to "the ancients who actually prophesied" as "PROPHETS": that is the qualifier, in Deuteronomy.

BUT, the wording does not refer to "supposed prophets" or to "suspected prophets". It refers to those who had at least ONCE prophesied a thing that came true: after all, that is how they came to be called "prophet", in the first place.

God was telling the people to ALWAYS TEST things!

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

good video! thank you for sharing and thank you for exposing the morons! ;) i just got back from a trip and did exactly that! expose the mormons with their own books. a lot of people didn't believe me but they did at the end when they saw they evidence on the mormon books! ;) thank you once again!

[IExposeMormonism]

thanks, I get my inspiration from Hypno. RIP. and from pukes like omiolo who expose themselves and deep side of mormonism for what it is. a cult of vindictive liars that will say or do anything to conceal their deep truths.

[omiolo2]

I think very highly of CH Penrose. I love his songs.

Especially "School Thy Feelings".

[IExposeMormonism]

omiolo, you little shit. its Morms like you that make your type so offensive. you are blocked. goodbye