Eat or don't eat whatever you want or don't want, just don't get all Onicion on us and act holier-than-thou everywhere you go because you're an upstanding "moral vegetarian". I eat meat, but there are several kinds of meat I refuse to eat (lamb, veal, etc.). But I don't go around spouting my indignation across the land like an evangelist. If someone asks why I don't eat veal, I'll explain; but I keep my ego in check.
teller was quick when he mad the balloon dog, it surprised me because i thought penn would be the one to be a balloon sculptor, teller is a skilled illusionist, not a balloon sculptor :3 ah well not that it really matters
you soon realise that you are just watching some guy on the bass talking about animals and another guy going mental with balloon animals .... love penn and teller though just the best :D
@Vinny0151 I don't know where you got that but Penn and Teller were introduced to one another by Weir Chrisimer and the three of them performed together in an act called "Asparagus Valley Cultural Society". Or maybe you meant that Teller suggested that he and Penn go it alone?
think about what you just said, animals are not made of food, they are simple edible, and so is EVERYTHING else. we are made of the same thing they are, but noone would order human at a gormet meal
@AtlantisSkye ya but of course some do if they are very desperate or sick cuz just face it we cant put up much of a fight against a tiger we only rule the animal kingdom now cuz our superior intellect and our ability to breed like f-in rabbits
Sure, you can eat a human if you really think you need to. But, you know, since birth, you have been injected with so many chemicals, you have eaten so much food with these preservatives and enhancers, that human flesh would make you extremely sick you wish you didn't eat it in the first place.
Thats probobly true, i hadn't considered it before.
Not to mention that the knowledge on "How to cook human so you won't get sick" isn't exactly common place, then theres the human version of mad cow disease.
Nature abhors cannibalism, we're evolutionarily adapted not to eat adult close relatives, because any specie that did that would be in big trouble.
@Notoria666 That and we've been conditioned by "civilized" society not to eat each other. If someone's gonna kill me, I'd like for them to eat me. Otherwise, it's just a waste of perfectly good meat.
@Mopperty Did you seriously say "why are they made of food"? You are an idiot. I guess you are also "made of food". Why doesn't someone eat you for lunch?
@Mopperty you can eat humans aswell.. also it's not about the fact you can eat them there are vegetarians that don't eat them just simply because they don't want it to die, like you might not want to kill your pet.
Ok, wow I knew Penn played bass as well, but that's some nice playing while storytelling at the same time. Going to learn that bassline now, it's mesmerizing.
to not eat meat is defying nature. humans are omnivores first of all. which means we eat both. just like a lion has claws and sharp teeth to eat prey, we have a more advanced brain so that we can prevail over other animals. if a cow had the chance he would eat you and your family
thats because they are incapable of catching prey due to their bulky slow bodies.. blunt hoofs and so forth, it was easier for them to adapt to become herbivours
Not to mention, even if we were natural herbivores there's no rule that says we can't eat meat if we choose to do so. When the first animal to develop legs, crawl onto land and further evolve into an amphibious creature slithered onto the bank of whatever body of water it was in, nobody was there to protest "Hey! Those appendages are for SWIMMING! Not crawling!"
I will leave it to you then to walk up to a lion and tell him it is wrong to hunt for his food. Period.
The only time vegans live longer than meat eaters is when the meat eater eats nothing but meat for every single meal. I eat meat and I have lower cholesterol than some vegans I know. Fact.
I don't agree with hunter for sport and I do not agree with the way most animals are killed, but I have nothing against eating meat. Its natural.
Actually, vegans have a shorter lifespan by a few years than indiscriminate meat eaters, and far shorter than lacto-ovo vegetarians as well as those who only eat fish.
I'm a vegetarian, both for taste and health, and it has served me well. I completely sympathize with and encourage those who avoid eating meat. However, placing yourself on a moral pedestal and levying judgement on most humans throughout history as well as many animals is quite silly.
Not true. Meat is unhealtyh. Period. And morally, not killing when you don't need to is leagues above killing sentient creatures to appease one's own selfish appetites.
Before saying "Not True," did you actually look up those facts or did you just say it? Most meat IS unhealthy, but having a diet with fish is about as healthy as a vegetarian diet with eggs and dairy, which is healthier than a vegan diet (assuming by health you mean a lack of major health problems and longer lifespan). I don't eat meat (including fish) because I don't like to, and for health purposes, and it's just fine. But definitely check your facts.
Not only have I looked it up, I've lived it. Meat is filled with chemicals. The shoot beef up with steroids to make more meat to increase profits, and when the animal is butchered, the brutal murder (which is what it really is) of the animal causes massive levels of adrenalin to shoot through it's body, and further contaminates the meat. At any rate, it all adds up to choice. We have it and animals do not. Animals are either carnivorous or herbivorous, but humans are omnivorous. (look it up)
Humans are not the only omnivores there are... Bears are too and they eat meat and plants... So are pigs and some birds.... So how is being an omnivore supposed to make me stop eating meat? Also... some herbivores will eat meat to survive, and some carnivores will eat plants if they have to. Most commercially available meat really isn't very good for you, but that doesn't mean meat in general is bad.
Being an omnivore will NOT stop you from eating meat, but as a human being, you have a mind that is superior to that of a bear, pig or bird. YOU are the one who chooses what YOU eat. Animals are driven by instinct while we have free will.
so having a better intellegence automatically makes us better than animals, if we are better than them why do animals have most of the solutions for modern problems?
I dont dissagree with you. I just want you to name problems and solutions. The animal kingdom is a wonderful place to look at solutions to many of our problems as a society as there have been billions of years of evolution on our little rock.
Meat and fish are not only healthy, they are the only viable sources of essential amino acids that the body cannot produce on its own. There are no edible plant sources that supply these.
Avoiding meat may not kill you, but it does introduce deficiencies which impede the normal function of your body. In particular, it decimates testosterone levels and muscle mass.
Eating animals to avoid a significantly lower quality of life is perfectly justified. Animal life is commensurable.
Also of note: Where do you draw the line of "sentience"? What about animal tissue, like chickens without heads, engineered and grown in labs but never part of a living animal? Is it anything with a brain? What about insects, jellyfish, and starfish that have nerve systems but no brains? What about coral and sponges - they are animals. Plants have cells just like humans- why isn't it wrong to eat them? You might have answers to the above questions, but it's not a perfectly clear cut moral choice.
What if it feels cold, but not fear or love (i.e. coral, sponges, starfish, insects)? What if it has a face, but doesn't come when you call its name?
My point is NOT that animal cruelty is OK in any way- my point is that calling vegetarianism a purely moral issue is trying to put a black and white border where there is none. Apart from a different type of cell wall and certain reproductive structures, a plant is no different from simpler animals.
I'd rather die at 84 as a healthy man than die at 85 in a fucking hospital bed because I've been too weak to get out of bed to take a shit for the past ten years.
Meaning I don't care how much longer vegetarians and vegans live than meat eaters, that doesn't mean anything.
Vegetarians and vegans, like anyone who puts thought into what they eat, are much more likely to exercise than people who eat whatever happens to be closest to them at the exact instant they decide to stuff their fat faces.
Vegetarianism doesn't make you healthier or live longer, living healthy does. Vegetarianism only deprives you of essential protein and makes you weaker.
Actually, you can get all the nutrients necessary from a vegetarian diet. There is actually more usable protein in most vegetables than there is in meat. At least, that's what doctors and nutritionists told me when I began eating vegetarian. Maybe they, along with all current medical knowledge and anecdotal evidence are just totally wrong, but if you're going by accredited medical textbooks, then you're not missing anything by going vegetarian.
Apparently your doctor along with the authors of the variety of medical journals you've probably not read have never taken a biology course.
Proteins are chains of amino acids, and there are several different amino acids. Some of these can't be synthesized by the body so they need to be provided in the diet.
The only plant source of complete protein is soy, which also contains phytoestrogens and is generally toxic in any regular quantities.
I also noticed you mentioned eggs and dairy in a previous comment. Eggs and dairy are great if you're not lactose intolerant. You could literally live on eggs and dairy. They are nearly perfect sources of protein. The only problem is that the lack of variety could lead to deficiencies over time.
Meat is chock FULL of steroids and other chemicals. PLUS wheh the animal is killed, it knows it's dying and the sheer terror and the agony floods the meat with adrenaline, which is toxic!
Are you saying that humans are on the same inteligence level as wild animals? Maybe you are dude, but some of us are more evolved.
The food chain, as enforced by the balance of nature, demands that wild animals hunt to survive. It does not however, demand that humans do. We can shop.
In any case, fat ass internet warriors like yourself are incapable of hunting anything more than a family bucket from KFC or a Big Mac from McDonald's. Jackass!
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Something that few people (vegetarians and not) know: every year millions of animals get killed as a result of wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season
If u kno that, u conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits.
you're just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater. Plus, you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed.
You're grasping at straws, my little friend. I'm not killing anything. Combines don't go through lettuce & tomato patches, nor are they used to grow potatoes. And I wouldn't touch soy beans with YOUR mouth. As for wheat, the whole world uses it and I can hardly take the blame for how it's harvasted. And your claim about "millions of snakes, rats, etc. being killed each year is so much rubbish. Combines make a lot of noise. Any animals nearby one would be long gone before it ever reached them.
Nope you can not take the blame for how wheat is harvested Nor can we for how beef pork etc.. You do understand the.. You just want to be morally superior as was suggested earlier.... Oh well this was 6 months ago.. i will quit letting it attract my attention and just click the filter now...
@uziTGC Yeah, i'm not a vegetarian but people should only eat animals raised for feed. Unless of course youre in mortal danger and you see a deer or something.
@pokeman411 One of the biggest things keeping most wild animals to a healthy population as in decent numbers and limited diseases is people hunting them.
@uziTGC If you are a vegan, I'd say Good point. Let's all just not eat anything and die... Not.
If you are a meat-eater, I'd say there's a big diifference between purposely killing and inadvertantly killing. Go eat your meat but don't try to convince yourself it's ok by belittling vegetarians.
@uziTGC Actually I got your point. YOU obviously didn't get MINE. Vegetarians know that animals die inadvertantly by many means, whether as road kill or even ploughing the fields where our crops grow. OUR crops not just vegetarians' crops. They obviously know that this can't be prevented. Their stance is that it is not right to intentionally kill animals for food. I am not a vegetarian but this notion is within my grasp while aparently not within yours, Captain clever...
@uziTGC It's true. There is no food at all without dead animals. No matter how organic, free-range, fair-trade, or cruelty-free your food seems to be, sooner or later you are going to end up indirectly killing lots of little furry animals to produce it, prepare it, ship it, and deliver it to you. Even if you grow the food in your own little vegan garden out back, you will need to defend it aggressively against every creature that wants to steal and eat it, or you will starve.
Isn't true that if we all stopped eating meat, it could stop the flow of natural selection and cows and pigs and all other species that are eaten by humans and other omnivores such as Bars and Chimps may overpopulate the surviving population and drive them to extinction sooner. It has became so natural for the predator to take the prey that in most cases both species will survive. If the predator over or under predates, both species are prone to die out and life goes on. its natural selection
your not even listening to my previous posts, ive already said "you don't need meat to live" and I also said "its not horrible to eat meat". Eating meat occassionally is completely normal but when people have it five times a week thats a little over doing it, you dont even need it to live never mind eating it as if its the only kind of food your ever going to get.
its natural for meat eating to still exist however we arent carnivores, so we have no excuse.
Of course I'm not reading your previous posts, I originally replied to someone else, not you.
I can guarantee you some people need meat to live. I know people with problems with their digestive system and eating just a trace of most vegetables leaves them in hospital. So meat is necessary for them to live.
As I've already said, we don't grow enough to be able to comfortably replace meat entirely or even largely.
Fine, if you want to act like a fucking smartarse: Crohn's Disease. My mum has it - the only vegetables she can eat is carrots and potatoes. All other vegetables hospitalise her. No fruit. No onions. No garlic. Almost no herbs. No eggs. If she doesn't eat meat she'll end up with malnutrition.
Think you're being funny with your "let me know" attitude? Fucking shove your arrogance up your arse.
I actually wasn't being smart but I love how you took it as such. I actually thought this was a fun debate until you opened your huge arrogant ass mouth. And don't think it makes me feel any more sorry for your ass that your mom has a disease I can throw that one right back at you dick.
Homo sapiens is in fact amazingly omnivorous. We can eat nearly anything. We are at our healthiest when a balance of all things, be they meat, fish, poultry, fruit, vegetable or grain.
Though, a vegan diet is slightly more healthy than a purely meat diet. We can't make our own vitamin C, so forcing one's self to eat only meat is a good way to die from scurvy within feet of a carton of orange juice.
Herbivores - Predominantly eat plants though not exclusively
Omnivores - Predominantly eat plants / and meat equally.
Carnivores Predominantly eat meat though not exclusively
Avian - Diets vary drastically but usually are more like omnivores and encompass either plants or proteins from insect or mammalian sources for prey type birds. To nearly exclusive carnivore diets for Raptors and Carrion eaters.
*BlueBarrier782* Good point KFC owners need to be shot they grow thier chickens till thier legs break. The way there diet is it makes them so fat. Don't get me wrong I love chicken just not KFC
They should implement the disclaimer stating "that no animals were harmed, during this demonstration",........................ You know what? Fuck that, I take that back!!!!
No actual animals were harmed, but balloon animals were.
This is humorous in a way to educate!! I love it. Five Feverish Stars.......
One of the few things I disagree with Penn and Teller about. It depends what you mean by "domestication". For some animals it's great, for others they would have better chances being out in the wild. In this day and age, some of us really don't need to rely on killing animals in order to survive. Yeah you aren't killing humans, but you are putting a conscious being through incredible pain so that you can treat your mouth's senses. But meat does taste really fucking good.
Nobody relies on killing animals to survive. Someone else does it for 99% of the people.
The masses get to keep their hands clean and yet they still want to carry on like nothing they have ever done has been cause for killing a single animal.
Well they should wake up. If you have eaten meat then you have been a reason for its death!
Yes, but who is trying to argue against that? I'm certainly not. I've probably been responsible for the deaths of quite a few animals - I eat cows, chickens, and fish absolutely every day without fail. If we were still primative, I would have hunted them myself, but because of a little thing called trading, I don't have to anymore. I don't understand your point.
Basically nobody has to do the killing themselves.. and I am fairly tired of people saying things like
"Yeah you aren't killing humans, but you are putting a conscious being through incredible pain so that you can treat your mouth's senses. But meat does taste really fucking good."
I'm sick of it because it's a fucking waste of time. Why say it, if you are going to say "oh but meat does taste so good".. waste of time and shows you are a hypocrite.
Hypocritical maybe, but at least I am acknowledging all my thoughts. A waste of time to you but I really don't give a shit. We have free speech for a reason.
Anyway, he's talking about domesticating animals in the way that we won't be eating them anymore. Such as cats and dogs.. (although some people still eat cats and dogs)
Who says they are conscious beings? Are they self aware? or does a sheep just think it's a sheep like the others?
Yeah fucking right. Have you ever seen what happens in a slaughterhouse? I'm not stating right now whether or not it is right, but they do most definetly experience pain for our "benefit".
Have you seen what they do to chickens? Give me a fucking break man, you can't seriously argue that all the animals we eat in the world are killed instantly without any pain.
not all of them, no. but for the most part, measures are taken to seriously reduce their suffering. the way i look at it, do they suffer more now, or back in the stone age when for us to eat them we had to chase them then bludgeon them to death with a rock?
That is somewhat true, but they really do what is economically efficent. I do not take such a utilitarian viewpoint as justification either. Fact of the matter is you are consciously putting that animal under pain for taste or clothing, not for survival.
it is still survival, in a way. if every meat eater on the planet suddenly decided to only eat vegetables, then we would all starve, because tehre isnt enough edible greenery to feed us all.
You are right, it would be impossible for every meat eater to do so right now. However, for a majority of the U.S. it would be possible to transition to surviving by eating unconscious sources of food.
the only problem with vegitarianism (is that a word?)i have is when i look at lions. they have no idea of what is right or wrong, just that they need to eat. but they do not choose to eat plants, but instead hunt and eat gazelles and the like. eating living prey is part of who we are as the dominant species on this planet.
First of all, lions are not omnivorous, they are carnivours, they do not have the option of eating plants. And since eating living prey is an option for humans, it is not a necessity of humans. Are you comparing the human moral capacity to that of lions?
I still believe you have a right to eat w/e the fuck you want, you are not harming human life which is first and foremost. However, my personal belief is if it isn't for human survival and the animal must experience that much pain it is wrong rationally and ethically.
Are you seriously comparing raping someone of eating an organism that isn't of the same species (which is what every animal does)? There are definitely people in this world with some very warped ideas of morality. You're one of them.
Rather than explaining to you how utterly ridiculous it is to believe that rape is in any way natural, and explaining the difference between being sociopathic and psychopathic, let me just ask...
Why are animals absolved from the crime of killing each other in your book?
I bring those up because I can not see the correlation between eating another organism to survive (sociopathic) and rape (psychopathic). Rape is not the same thing as sex, but a psychopathic action where one gets enjoyment out of knowing that what they are doing harms another.
There is nothing natural about rape. Psychopathic actions are only relevant to humans. As opposed to consuming other organisms, a sociopathic action of survival, observed in all animals
OK, so do you consider an animal eating plant life to be equally heinous?
I still don't agree that rape is NATURAL. Living creatures do not have the innate desire to have sex with each other because "they're asking for it."
Another point, sado masochism is consensual. RAPE is not. Someone's opinion of whether it was justified doesn't make it so. You see what you're doing? Your argument isn't making eating animals seem worse, it's belittling rape.
I'll turn vegeterian when all carniverous animals agree to do so as well. There is a reason we evolved teeth for chewing meat...so we can chew meat!
DAZCreativeContests 2 months ago
Lol 3:05
badmovebaker 3 months ago
i want this music
TheYella20 5 months ago
Eat or don't eat whatever you want or don't want, just don't get all Onicion on us and act holier-than-thou everywhere you go because you're an upstanding "moral vegetarian". I eat meat, but there are several kinds of meat I refuse to eat (lamb, veal, etc.). But I don't go around spouting my indignation across the land like an evangelist. If someone asks why I don't eat veal, I'll explain; but I keep my ego in check.
cyanmanta 6 months ago 4
OMG people stop arguing over the topic am i the only one who watched this just for penn and teller
hyperbeanify 6 months ago 2
teller was quick when he mad the balloon dog, it surprised me because i thought penn would be the one to be a balloon sculptor, teller is a skilled illusionist, not a balloon sculptor :3 ah well not that it really matters
wolfchicgalpal 7 months ago
you soon realise that you are just watching some guy on the bass talking about animals and another guy going mental with balloon animals .... love penn and teller though just the best :D
randomist92 1 year ago
I like this bit a lot :)
Cornygurl669 1 year ago
Man, Penn sure plays one hell of a funky bass.
UpsidedownThinker 1 year ago 3
penn is doing a sick job on the bass there while he talks
supahsekzy 1 year ago
I'm totally for animal rights. Animals have the right to be delicious when well cooked.
SeppukuDoll 1 year ago 4
I love this...
sbilts 2 years ago
Haha! TAKE THAT PETA!!
Hairysteed 2 years ago 6
If you listen to Penn's radio show he clearly consider Teller his boss. There's no arguing Teller being the brain.
FredMalm 2 years ago 5
That's why they're so great. Penn has awesome showmanship and personality, and Teller is crazy talented.
TheHatheist 2 years ago 6
Teller does all the work
SammyD96Alwayz 2 years ago 8
Teller has the ability, but Penn has the presence. The guy's got charisma out of EVERY orifice, AND his pores.
Shinkada 2 years ago 24
Yeah Penn has said that Teller is the one who started it all
Vinny0151 2 years ago
@Vinny0151 I don't know where you got that but Penn and Teller were introduced to one another by Weir Chrisimer and the three of them performed together in an act called "Asparagus Valley Cultural Society". Or maybe you meant that Teller suggested that he and Penn go it alone?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Sorry about that. I must have been misinformed
Vinny0151 1 year ago
Well, Penn does the talkin, and bass playin! I think thats a good trade off...
Kelavmeister 2 years ago
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if your not meant to eat animals why are they made of food?
Mopperty 2 years ago 131
think about what you just said, animals are not made of food, they are simple edible, and so is EVERYTHING else. we are made of the same thing they are, but noone would order human at a gormet meal
awkwardmaniacs 2 years ago 4
I would, but they wont let me...
Mopperty 2 years ago 3
Cannibals would. And Polar bears are the only animal on the planet that will actually eat humans for food.
AtlantisSkye 2 years ago 5
are you a cannibal?
awkwardmaniacs 2 years ago
I'm vegetarian actually.
AtlantisSkye 2 years ago
aren't tigers in china the last man eaters?
laidt0rest 2 years ago
No. That is a myth. The may attack only when provoked or when we come between a mother and her cubs. But they don't eat humans.
AtlantisSkye 2 years ago
@AtlantisSkye ya but of course some do if they are very desperate or sick cuz just face it we cant put up much of a fight against a tiger we only rule the animal kingdom now cuz our superior intellect and our ability to breed like f-in rabbits
MrDiNOsoar 1 year ago
Eat a rock.
NutNapalm 1 year ago
If you're not meant to eat Humans, why are we made of food?
1313Nothing 1 year ago
Sure, you can eat a human if you really think you need to. But, you know, since birth, you have been injected with so many chemicals, you have eaten so much food with these preservatives and enhancers, that human flesh would make you extremely sick you wish you didn't eat it in the first place.
Notoria666 1 year ago
@Notoria666
Thats probobly true, i hadn't considered it before.
Not to mention that the knowledge on "How to cook human so you won't get sick" isn't exactly common place, then theres the human version of mad cow disease.
Nature abhors cannibalism, we're evolutionarily adapted not to eat adult close relatives, because any specie that did that would be in big trouble.
sketchydc 1 year ago
@Notoria666 That and we've been conditioned by "civilized" society not to eat each other. If someone's gonna kill me, I'd like for them to eat me. Otherwise, it's just a waste of perfectly good meat.
JorgensZelda 1 year ago
@Mopperty we're made of food too so we must be cannibals then.
garrisonalton 1 year ago
@garrisonalton Hey, eating people would be cool. Just gotta make sure they're healthy. Too many medicated people these days.
JorgensZelda 1 year ago
@Mopperty Did you seriously say "why are they made of food"? You are an idiot. I guess you are also "made of food". Why doesn't someone eat you for lunch?
JKearnjo 1 year ago
@JKearnjo
Cuz human meat is way too sweet.
Dude1337jeeb 1 year ago
@JKearnjo because they would go to jail if we eat animal like deer we no get go to jail
MrDiNOsoar 1 year ago
@Mopperty
Hello there, Sarah Palin.
VikutaaChyaaruzu 1 year ago
@Mopperty you can eat humans aswell.. also it's not about the fact you can eat them there are vegetarians that don't eat them just simply because they don't want it to die, like you might not want to kill your pet.
IL0veMoz 1 year ago
this is the 5th video in a row ive watched where teller is smoking. i dont know why i think thats funny but i do.
elscorcho19 2 years ago 4
Ok, wow I knew Penn played bass as well, but that's some nice playing while storytelling at the same time. Going to learn that bassline now, it's mesmerizing.
1rishShaman 2 years ago 2
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cows are actually faster than humans.
We're pretty slow.
And we're really herbivores.
livedandletdie 2 years ago
Omnivores, actually. Vegan bullshit not allowed.
theJugganawt 2 years ago 4
Wow were herbivores?
maybe you should inform the scientific community. Seems they think were omnivores.
Cows wouldn't eat humans because they are stupid as fuck. We would know. We bred them to be.
They would be all but extinct if we stopped eating them. Is that what you want? the mass extinction of Cows, Pigs, and Chickens?
lubermanl 2 years ago
Uhh no...if we were herbivores we wouldn't eat any form of meat..also why would we have canines? Teeth used for grpping meat?
HLZoner 2 years ago
to not eat meat is defying nature. humans are omnivores first of all. which means we eat both. just like a lion has claws and sharp teeth to eat prey, we have a more advanced brain so that we can prevail over other animals. if a cow had the chance he would eat you and your family
RichT519 2 years ago 8
Uh, no it wouldn't. Cows are obviously herbivores
peanutbutterfriends 2 years ago
thats because they are incapable of catching prey due to their bulky slow bodies.. blunt hoofs and so forth, it was easier for them to adapt to become herbivours
bradconx 2 years ago
Not to mention, even if we were natural herbivores there's no rule that says we can't eat meat if we choose to do so. When the first animal to develop legs, crawl onto land and further evolve into an amphibious creature slithered onto the bank of whatever body of water it was in, nobody was there to protest "Hey! Those appendages are for SWIMMING! Not crawling!"
UJS8X 2 years ago
not true on the cow part....
they're stomachs cannot process meat
guyincorner 2 years ago
can't you guys not all just watch the video for what it is and don't make the comments all about meat/no meat debates?
samcian888 2 years ago
I will leave it to you then to walk up to a lion and tell him it is wrong to hunt for his food. Period.
The only time vegans live longer than meat eaters is when the meat eater eats nothing but meat for every single meal. I eat meat and I have lower cholesterol than some vegans I know. Fact.
I don't agree with hunter for sport and I do not agree with the way most animals are killed, but I have nothing against eating meat. Its natural.
ruin009 2 years ago
Eating animals is wrong. Period.
Hunting animals is wrong. Period.
Experimentation on animals is wrong. Period.
Vegetarians and and vegans live longer than meat eaters. Fact.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
And you are a warm person who understands people, history, nature, habits, cultures, science and you probably consider yourself a "very tolerant"
kantti 2 years ago
Actually, vegans have a shorter lifespan by a few years than indiscriminate meat eaters, and far shorter than lacto-ovo vegetarians as well as those who only eat fish.
I'm a vegetarian, both for taste and health, and it has served me well. I completely sympathize with and encourage those who avoid eating meat. However, placing yourself on a moral pedestal and levying judgement on most humans throughout history as well as many animals is quite silly.
pandacommanda 2 years ago
Not true. Meat is unhealtyh. Period. And morally, not killing when you don't need to is leagues above killing sentient creatures to appease one's own selfish appetites.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
Before saying "Not True," did you actually look up those facts or did you just say it? Most meat IS unhealthy, but having a diet with fish is about as healthy as a vegetarian diet with eggs and dairy, which is healthier than a vegan diet (assuming by health you mean a lack of major health problems and longer lifespan). I don't eat meat (including fish) because I don't like to, and for health purposes, and it's just fine. But definitely check your facts.
pandacommanda 2 years ago
Not only have I looked it up, I've lived it. Meat is filled with chemicals. The shoot beef up with steroids to make more meat to increase profits, and when the animal is butchered, the brutal murder (which is what it really is) of the animal causes massive levels of adrenalin to shoot through it's body, and further contaminates the meat. At any rate, it all adds up to choice. We have it and animals do not. Animals are either carnivorous or herbivorous, but humans are omnivorous. (look it up)
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
Humans are not the only omnivores there are... Bears are too and they eat meat and plants... So are pigs and some birds.... So how is being an omnivore supposed to make me stop eating meat? Also... some herbivores will eat meat to survive, and some carnivores will eat plants if they have to. Most commercially available meat really isn't very good for you, but that doesn't mean meat in general is bad.
ruin009 2 years ago 3
Being an omnivore will NOT stop you from eating meat, but as a human being, you have a mind that is superior to that of a bear, pig or bird. YOU are the one who chooses what YOU eat. Animals are driven by instinct while we have free will.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
And I freely choose to eat what my diet has been evolutionarily groomed to be.
ShadowWolf346 2 years ago 2
so having a better intellegence automatically makes us better than animals, if we are better than them why do animals have most of the solutions for modern problems?
deathart225 2 years ago
I dont dissagree with you. I just want you to name problems and solutions. The animal kingdom is a wonderful place to look at solutions to many of our problems as a society as there have been billions of years of evolution on our little rock.
Cloudff7yaoi 2 years ago
Please be more elaborate in your claims.
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PoloXGS 2 years ago
why dont you be more elaborate on your face
deathart225 2 years ago
It's not half as fun...
PoloXGS 2 years ago
and what modern problems are you talking about that animals have the solutions to
RichT519 2 years ago
like global warming?
flangleelgnalf 2 years ago
Penn and teller are not vegetarians that is not their argument
tonytrilex 2 years ago 2
Meat and fish are not only healthy, they are the only viable sources of essential amino acids that the body cannot produce on its own. There are no edible plant sources that supply these.
Avoiding meat may not kill you, but it does introduce deficiencies which impede the normal function of your body. In particular, it decimates testosterone levels and muscle mass.
Eating animals to avoid a significantly lower quality of life is perfectly justified. Animal life is commensurable.
GeneralSeptem 2 years ago
Also of note: Where do you draw the line of "sentience"? What about animal tissue, like chickens without heads, engineered and grown in labs but never part of a living animal? Is it anything with a brain? What about insects, jellyfish, and starfish that have nerve systems but no brains? What about coral and sponges - they are animals. Plants have cells just like humans- why isn't it wrong to eat them? You might have answers to the above questions, but it's not a perfectly clear cut moral choice.
pandacommanda 2 years ago
I do have answers and here's the line: If it feels pain, cold, heat, and the emotions of fear and love, then it's sentient.
If it comes when you call it's name, it's sentient. If it thinks, it's sentient.
Basically, if it has a face, it's sentient!
Lab abominations that you speak of are utterly un-Godly and totally reprehensible!!
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
What if it feels cold, but not fear or love (i.e. coral, sponges, starfish, insects)? What if it has a face, but doesn't come when you call its name?
My point is NOT that animal cruelty is OK in any way- my point is that calling vegetarianism a purely moral issue is trying to put a black and white border where there is none. Apart from a different type of cell wall and certain reproductive structures, a plant is no different from simpler animals.
P.S. "lab abominations" could save your life.
pandacommanda 2 years ago 2
When a plant screams in agony, then let me know.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
When a jellyfish/insect/starfish/coral/sponge/sea anenome/fish/spider screams in agony, let me know.
pandacommanda 2 years ago
When you decide to EAT a jellyfish/insect/starfish/cora l/sponge/sea anenome/fish/spider, let me know. :p
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
*raises hand and looks around* i ate a fish...
metallicrules 2 years ago
What people eat shouldn't be a moral choice.. it's just a way to keep the body going.... damn PETA lol
HLZoner 2 years ago
I'd rather die at 84 as a healthy man than die at 85 in a fucking hospital bed because I've been too weak to get out of bed to take a shit for the past ten years.
GeneralSeptem 2 years ago
Meaning???
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
Meaning I don't care how much longer vegetarians and vegans live than meat eaters, that doesn't mean anything.
Vegetarians and vegans, like anyone who puts thought into what they eat, are much more likely to exercise than people who eat whatever happens to be closest to them at the exact instant they decide to stuff their fat faces.
Vegetarianism doesn't make you healthier or live longer, living healthy does. Vegetarianism only deprives you of essential protein and makes you weaker.
GeneralSeptem 2 years ago
Actually, you can get all the nutrients necessary from a vegetarian diet. There is actually more usable protein in most vegetables than there is in meat. At least, that's what doctors and nutritionists told me when I began eating vegetarian. Maybe they, along with all current medical knowledge and anecdotal evidence are just totally wrong, but if you're going by accredited medical textbooks, then you're not missing anything by going vegetarian.
pandacommanda 2 years ago
Apparently your doctor along with the authors of the variety of medical journals you've probably not read have never taken a biology course.
Proteins are chains of amino acids, and there are several different amino acids. Some of these can't be synthesized by the body so they need to be provided in the diet.
The only plant source of complete protein is soy, which also contains phytoestrogens and is generally toxic in any regular quantities.
GeneralSeptem 2 years ago 2
I also noticed you mentioned eggs and dairy in a previous comment. Eggs and dairy are great if you're not lactose intolerant. You could literally live on eggs and dairy. They are nearly perfect sources of protein. The only problem is that the lack of variety could lead to deficiencies over time.
GeneralSeptem 2 years ago 2
Quite possibly they are wrong..
Ask 5 Dr's if Cows Milk is good or Bad for you?
Then, as a wise man once said; Eat, Drink, and be Merry, for tomorrow we may die..
Timerider 1 year ago
vegetarians may only live longer because they are a little more health contentious than the average meat eater. FACT!!!... not really
LulJam 2 years ago
Meat is chock FULL of steroids and other chemicals. PLUS wheh the animal is killed, it knows it's dying and the sheer terror and the agony floods the meat with adrenaline, which is toxic!
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
adrenaline is also oh so tasty.
LulJam 2 years ago
And oh so deadly.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
You said that before a few times in fact. Repeating it will not make it a fact. Quoting your source of information might?
Timerider 1 year ago
Go tell hunting and killing animals is wrong to a hungry lion, shark, wolf and other various carnivores, Dumbass.
HLZoner 2 years ago 3
Are you saying that humans are on the same inteligence level as wild animals? Maybe you are dude, but some of us are more evolved.
The food chain, as enforced by the balance of nature, demands that wild animals hunt to survive. It does not however, demand that humans do. We can shop.
In any case, fat ass internet warriors like yourself are incapable of hunting anything more than a family bucket from KFC or a Big Mac from McDonald's. Jackass!
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
Such love you demonstrate?
Why would I be even tempted to listen to you?
Actually strike that question..
GreaseMonkey (TM) take him away..
For any who wonder GreaseMonkey is a free killfilter addon for your web browser. It means once selected folks like StreetKnight1 Here will never darken your browser again.. Bye SW..
Timerider 1 year ago
Something that few people (vegetarians and not) know: every year millions of animals get killed as a result of wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season
If u kno that, u conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits.
you're just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater. Plus, you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed.
uziTGC 2 years ago 78
You're grasping at straws, my little friend. I'm not killing anything. Combines don't go through lettuce & tomato patches, nor are they used to grow potatoes. And I wouldn't touch soy beans with YOUR mouth. As for wheat, the whole world uses it and I can hardly take the blame for how it's harvasted. And your claim about "millions of snakes, rats, etc. being killed each year is so much rubbish. Combines make a lot of noise. Any animals nearby one would be long gone before it ever reached them.
StreetKnight1 2 years ago 5
Nope you can not take the blame for how wheat is harvested Nor can we for how beef pork etc.. You do understand the.. You just want to be morally superior as was suggested earlier.... Oh well this was 6 months ago.. i will quit letting it attract my attention and just click the filter now...
Timerider 1 year ago
@Timerider
Wheat is not sentient, living breathing animals are. As for being morally superior, I can't help being that.
Now please do go click your filter.
StreetKnight1 1 year ago
Killing animals accidently via harvesting is no more morally deplorable than running over a rabit accidently on the highway.
JMfrac 2 years ago 5
@uziTGC so what do you eat?
mchkeegan 1 year ago
@uziTGC Yeah, i'm not a vegetarian but people should only eat animals raised for feed. Unless of course youre in mortal danger and you see a deer or something.
pokeman411 1 year ago
@pokeman411 One of the biggest things keeping most wild animals to a healthy population as in decent numbers and limited diseases is people hunting them.
criticpaintballer 1 year ago 4
@uziTGC And what do domestic animals get fed? Soy and wheat and other cereals.
SketchyBack 1 year ago
@uziTGC I think cows and pigs are more intelligent than rodents. =/
Madfoot713 1 year ago
@Madfoot713
Cows no, pigs yes.
Trisket 11 months ago
@uziTGC millions?
ontariobuds 8 months ago
@uziTGC shut up hippie and go get me a burger
PimpsUnited 6 months ago
@uziTGC If you are a vegan, I'd say Good point. Let's all just not eat anything and die... Not.
If you are a meat-eater, I'd say there's a big diifference between purposely killing and inadvertantly killing. Go eat your meat but don't try to convince yourself it's ok by belittling vegetarians.
I perosnally eat meat.
shimyns 6 months ago
@shimyns @madfoot713 @ontariobuds @sketchyback @trisket and especially @pimpsunited:
you didn't get the irony I was trying to refer to: that if we were all vegetarian or vegan, shitloads of animals would be killed as a result.
jesus.
@Streetknight you're just retarded and deserve to be beheaded and eaten by rodents :D
uziTGC 6 months ago
@uziTGC Actually I got your point. YOU obviously didn't get MINE. Vegetarians know that animals die inadvertantly by many means, whether as road kill or even ploughing the fields where our crops grow. OUR crops not just vegetarians' crops. They obviously know that this can't be prevented. Their stance is that it is not right to intentionally kill animals for food. I am not a vegetarian but this notion is within my grasp while aparently not within yours, Captain clever...
shimyns 6 months ago
@uziTGC
So then what CAN we eat without killing animals?
WolfieboyMachi 6 months ago
@WolfieboyMachi people (although we are actually animals ourselves, so, self subsitant vegetarian farming)
spudlington 6 months ago
@uziTGC It's true. There is no food at all without dead animals. No matter how organic, free-range, fair-trade, or cruelty-free your food seems to be, sooner or later you are going to end up indirectly killing lots of little furry animals to produce it, prepare it, ship it, and deliver it to you. Even if you grow the food in your own little vegan garden out back, you will need to defend it aggressively against every creature that wants to steal and eat it, or you will starve.
cyanmanta 6 months ago
@uziTGC Funny fact is that most of those soy beans are used for food for farm animals. You know, the animals you eat.
Zzanney 5 months ago
@uziTGC, idiot, wheat and soy beans are mostly eaten by animals used for meat production.
SoftWarewolf 5 months ago
such good artistry even when its not a magic trick per se
ChrisCrockerTime 2 years ago
Isn't true that if we all stopped eating meat, it could stop the flow of natural selection and cows and pigs and all other species that are eaten by humans and other omnivores such as Bars and Chimps may overpopulate the surviving population and drive them to extinction sooner. It has became so natural for the predator to take the prey that in most cases both species will survive. If the predator over or under predates, both species are prone to die out and life goes on. its natural selection
usernametakenomg 2 years ago
I know what a "Chimp" is, but what the fuck is a "Bar"? ROFLMAO!!
StreetKnight1 2 years ago
haha bears. whoops
usernametakenomg 2 years ago
I love animals
they're delicious
lol
84368004 2 years ago 4
great performance by the best comic magicians round chriss angel is the mindfreak or freaky magicain
marco tempest is the techno magician and P&T is the greatest comic magicains ive seen
zeratul575 2 years ago
woah! in the first put it's weird but cool!
katiakat999 3 years ago
goddamn, teller is awesome.
UltraBibendum 3 years ago
lol. penn is quite the bass player isn't he?
tosko2107 3 years ago 3
wats so bad about meat?
xxxjobrofan26xxx 3 years ago
your not even listening to my previous posts, ive already said "you don't need meat to live" and I also said "its not horrible to eat meat". Eating meat occassionally is completely normal but when people have it five times a week thats a little over doing it, you dont even need it to live never mind eating it as if its the only kind of food your ever going to get.
its natural for meat eating to still exist however we arent carnivores, so we have no excuse.
LaylaNamine 3 years ago
Of course I'm not reading your previous posts, I originally replied to someone else, not you.
I can guarantee you some people need meat to live. I know people with problems with their digestive system and eating just a trace of most vegetables leaves them in hospital. So meat is necessary for them to live.
As I've already said, we don't grow enough to be able to comfortably replace meat entirely or even largely.
ScotsmanRS 3 years ago
same person -different account
And I too can guarentee you meat is not a neccessity. Let me know if you ever learn the name of the disease where they can't eat anything but meat.
LaylaNamine 3 years ago
Fine, if you want to act like a fucking smartarse: Crohn's Disease. My mum has it - the only vegetables she can eat is carrots and potatoes. All other vegetables hospitalise her. No fruit. No onions. No garlic. Almost no herbs. No eggs. If she doesn't eat meat she'll end up with malnutrition.
Think you're being funny with your "let me know" attitude? Fucking shove your arrogance up your arse.
ScotsmanRS 3 years ago
I actually wasn't being smart but I love how you took it as such. I actually thought this was a fun debate until you opened your huge arrogant ass mouth. And don't think it makes me feel any more sorry for your ass that your mom has a disease I can throw that one right back at you dick.
Good job ending this discussion on a good note.
LaylaNamine 3 years ago
Homo sapiens is in fact amazingly omnivorous. We can eat nearly anything. We are at our healthiest when a balance of all things, be they meat, fish, poultry, fruit, vegetable or grain.
Though, a vegan diet is slightly more healthy than a purely meat diet. We can't make our own vitamin C, so forcing one's self to eat only meat is a good way to die from scurvy within feet of a carton of orange juice.
rlrsk8r1 3 years ago
shut up obviously he didn't mean people only ate meat.
and really taken literally carnivore only means an animal that eats meat, it only implies it doesn't eat anything else.
123456789106 3 years ago
actually he was right carnivorous means only eats meat. Omnivore in when they eat both.
m0osey 3 years ago
Just today an article was published out of China where a Panda was found on a Pig Farm eating Meat and Bone.
These creatures usually survive on bamboo and according to the article are classified as CARNIVORES..
I will have to look that up as I thought being Bears they would be omnivores though from their diet they would appear to be herbivores?
Timerider 1 year ago
Any way for those who wonder.
Herbivores - Predominantly eat plants though not exclusively
Omnivores - Predominantly eat plants / and meat equally.
Carnivores Predominantly eat meat though not exclusively
Avian - Diets vary drastically but usually are more like omnivores and encompass either plants or proteins from insect or mammalian sources for prey type birds. To nearly exclusive carnivore diets for Raptors and Carrion eaters.
Timerider 1 year ago
Oh when that chicken laid the egg i lost it!!!! so funny!
GatesJJ1 3 years ago 2
*BlueBarrier782* Good point KFC owners need to be shot they grow thier chickens till thier legs break. The way there diet is it makes them so fat. Don't get me wrong I love chicken just not KFC
GodXile 3 years ago
They should implement the disclaimer stating "that no animals were harmed, during this demonstration",........................ You know what? Fuck that, I take that back!!!!
No actual animals were harmed, but balloon animals were.
This is humorous in a way to educate!! I love it. Five Feverish Stars.......
KingofHollywood2k6 4 years ago
One of the few things I disagree with Penn and Teller about. It depends what you mean by "domestication". For some animals it's great, for others they would have better chances being out in the wild. In this day and age, some of us really don't need to rely on killing animals in order to survive. Yeah you aren't killing humans, but you are putting a conscious being through incredible pain so that you can treat your mouth's senses. But meat does taste really fucking good.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
Nobody relies on killing animals to survive. Someone else does it for 99% of the people.
The masses get to keep their hands clean and yet they still want to carry on like nothing they have ever done has been cause for killing a single animal.
Well they should wake up. If you have eaten meat then you have been a reason for its death!
ArchitectOfEvil 4 years ago
Yes, but who is trying to argue against that? I'm certainly not. I've probably been responsible for the deaths of quite a few animals - I eat cows, chickens, and fish absolutely every day without fail. If we were still primative, I would have hunted them myself, but because of a little thing called trading, I don't have to anymore. I don't understand your point.
GrandMasterScotty 4 years ago 3
My point is something like this:
Basically nobody has to do the killing themselves.. and I am fairly tired of people saying things like
"Yeah you aren't killing humans, but you are putting a conscious being through incredible pain so that you can treat your mouth's senses. But meat does taste really fucking good."
I'm sick of it because it's a fucking waste of time. Why say it, if you are going to say "oh but meat does taste so good".. waste of time and shows you are a hypocrite.
ArchitectOfEvil 4 years ago
Hypocritical maybe, but at least I am acknowledging all my thoughts. A waste of time to you but I really don't give a shit. We have free speech for a reason.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
And the reason for me to live healthy! Hooray for me and fellow humanbeings I care about!
Abercr0mbie4life 4 years ago
Anyway, he's talking about domesticating animals in the way that we won't be eating them anymore. Such as cats and dogs.. (although some people still eat cats and dogs)
Who says they are conscious beings? Are they self aware? or does a sheep just think it's a sheep like the others?
ArchitectOfEvil 4 years ago
By conscious, I mean that they can feel pain and have a basic understanding of it unlike plants.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago 3
the animals we eat do not suffer any pain when they are slaughtered.
turkeylips17 4 years ago
Yeah fucking right. Have you ever seen what happens in a slaughterhouse? I'm not stating right now whether or not it is right, but they do most definetly experience pain for our "benefit".
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
they dont. cows dont anyway. a bolt throught the head resulting in instant death is better then the alternative anyway.
turkeylips17 4 years ago 3
Have you seen what they do to chickens? Give me a fucking break man, you can't seriously argue that all the animals we eat in the world are killed instantly without any pain.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
not all of them, no. but for the most part, measures are taken to seriously reduce their suffering. the way i look at it, do they suffer more now, or back in the stone age when for us to eat them we had to chase them then bludgeon them to death with a rock?
turkeylips17 4 years ago 15
That is somewhat true, but they really do what is economically efficent. I do not take such a utilitarian viewpoint as justification either. Fact of the matter is you are consciously putting that animal under pain for taste or clothing, not for survival.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
it is still survival, in a way. if every meat eater on the planet suddenly decided to only eat vegetables, then we would all starve, because tehre isnt enough edible greenery to feed us all.
turkeylips17 4 years ago 6
You are right, it would be impossible for every meat eater to do so right now. However, for a majority of the U.S. it would be possible to transition to surviving by eating unconscious sources of food.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
the only problem with vegitarianism (is that a word?)i have is when i look at lions. they have no idea of what is right or wrong, just that they need to eat. but they do not choose to eat plants, but instead hunt and eat gazelles and the like. eating living prey is part of who we are as the dominant species on this planet.
turkeylips17 4 years ago 8
First of all, lions are not omnivorous, they are carnivours, they do not have the option of eating plants. And since eating living prey is an option for humans, it is not a necessity of humans. Are you comparing the human moral capacity to that of lions?
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago
I still believe you have a right to eat w/e the fuck you want, you are not harming human life which is first and foremost. However, my personal belief is if it isn't for human survival and the animal must experience that much pain it is wrong rationally and ethically.
BlueBarrier782 4 years ago 3
in a strange way, i am sort of with you. while i am a great meat lover, i do believe that the animal shouldnt suffer unecessarily.
turkeylips17 4 years ago 3
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TheKitXune 2 years ago
we do know whats right and whats wrong, thats why we do eat meat... cuz its natural
jahoven 2 years ago
Rape can be natural too. Whether or not it's natural has nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
Are you seriously comparing raping someone of eating an organism that isn't of the same species (which is what every animal does)? There are definitely people in this world with some very warped ideas of morality. You're one of them.
BannedCinema 2 years ago
"Are you seriously comparing raping someone of eating an organism that isn't of the same species (which is what every animal does)?"
Yes. Both are natural, and both have undesirable consequences.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
Rather than explaining to you how utterly ridiculous it is to believe that rape is in any way natural, and explaining the difference between being sociopathic and psychopathic, let me just ask...
Why are animals absolved from the crime of killing each other in your book?
BannedCinema 2 years ago
"Rather than explaining to you how utterly ridiculous it is to believe that rape is in any way natural"
Please explain.
"Why are animals absolved from the crime of killing each other in your book? "
They aren't.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
Oh, and why'd you bring up sociopathy and phychopathy?
TheKitXune 2 years ago
I asked you first but fine.
I bring those up because I can not see the correlation between eating another organism to survive (sociopathic) and rape (psychopathic). Rape is not the same thing as sex, but a psychopathic action where one gets enjoyment out of knowing that what they are doing harms another.
There is nothing natural about rape. Psychopathic actions are only relevant to humans. As opposed to consuming other organisms, a sociopathic action of survival, observed in all animals
BannedCinema 2 years ago
"Rape is not the same thing as sex, but a psychopathic action where one gets enjoyment out of knowing that what they are doing harms another."
You've, like, never actually debated rapists, have you? They're in denial; most of them believe that the woman WANTS to get raped. I kid you not.
As for whether or not it's sociopathic or psychopathic, it doesn't matter. I said that it was NATURAL, and it is:
nat·u·ral (nchr-l, nchrl)
adj.
1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
Oh, and I think you're confusing "rapist" with "sado masochist".
TheKitXune 2 years ago
Indeed, I am not. And you have yet to answer my question.
BannedCinema 2 years ago
How have I not answered your question? Go back and check my response.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
OK, so do you consider an animal eating plant life to be equally heinous?
I still don't agree that rape is NATURAL. Living creatures do not have the innate desire to have sex with each other because "they're asking for it."
Another point, sado masochism is consensual. RAPE is not. Someone's opinion of whether it was justified doesn't make it so. You see what you're doing? Your argument isn't making eating animals seem worse, it's belittling rape.
BannedCinema 2 years ago