@TNQTV I get the feeling that you don't even have a grasp on the concept. With out afterburner/reheat engines effectively loose 50% or more of their thrust. Very few fighters are capable of supersonic flight with out it. And currently no Russian fighter is. The Russians use reheat just as often as anyone else to get the desired effect, which is to climb higher and fly faster. Watch any Mig or Su demo and they are in afterburner almost the whole time.
@TNQTV I always understood that is reheat and afterburner are the same thing. They are both the process of spraying fuel directly into the exhaust of the engine after the turbines. Reheat is what the Brits call it and the Yanks call it afterburner.
@toyzruskid62 Actually, I know it's a sin saying this, seeing as I am a fellow American, but the Russians damn well know how to make high performance aircraft. If they made shitty planes, no one else would be buying them.
@luke6638 re you out of your mind? Where's the swing wing mechanisms? where's the RIO (the guy in the back seat)?, wait a minute, where is the back seat?, when did the luftwaffe, more exactly JG73 in Laage, get the F-14?, have you ever see an F-14 or a MiG 29?.
Man this is MiG-29G 29+20 (MiG-29A upgraded by DaimlerChrysler Aerospace, now EADS, for NATO compatibility)
Zu schade das wir die abgegeben haben... ich habe sie geliebt und werde den Anblick auf jeder Flugshow vermissen. Das Ding war nicht nur Leistungsstark, es sah auch noch verdammt gut aus.
Those engines were seriously de-tuned. Willing to bet they were at the end of their life and were overdue for a swap. Russian jet engines do smoke a little but usually not THAT much.
Russians boast about how the engines can go so many hours without any maintenance but that's because they get swapped out for new ones and the old ones turned in for re-building. Basiclly they just top off the oil and run 'em into the ground.
I've read a little on the subject and seen documentaries about it. They build their engines tough and just make sure the oil is topped off and when the engines either have a problem or is at the end of their service life they just swap them for freshly re-built engines.
That differs from the U.S where we do as much maintenance as we can in the field (aircraft carrier or base) until we re-build the engines.
@ElephantKiller23 It might be smoky but when the Wall came down and NATO had a chance to see one up close and then fly it..... they had a massive, massive shock and realised thay could have been up against a formiddable opponent and lots of them. We'd been swamped.
Someday we will learn the truth, we shall se who is right who is wrong....could be anything tommorow. The only thing we have to do now is try to rebuild our country by ourselfs, rather then waiting for a foreign aid. I hate that. We should just be ourselfs, build and prosper on our own.....i hope that in the near future no war breaks out, but Kosovo is our greatest consern right now. Albanians wont stop there.
Thats it.....NATO attacked Yugoslavia just because they could, not because it would escalate. And besides although Miloshevic made some bad decisions in the past, the law was clearly on our side. Albanians wanted indipendence through violence against Serbs in the region. KLA was on the terrorists list, why not help us, or simply why not leaving us alone? The war in ex Yu didn't start because of Serbs only...it was much complex....
They were peacekeepers, but not like the UN...they were the part of NATO. KFOR is now a peacekeeping force, although they aren't doing what they supposed to. And why would NATO care what Milosevic does in our country? Why didn't NATO attack Russia when they invaded Georgia? NATO doesn't like Putin too.....so why not attack them too?
Sure they were peacekeepers.......and what does NATO want from Miloshevic anyway....why don't they take care of their own countries and business. Just leave us alone to deal with our problems ALONE.....they ruin MY life because they didn't like Miloshevic.....bunch of assholes
milosevic ruined a lot of innocent lives in the ex-yugoslavia, not to mention that he gave serbia into the hands of the criminals to do what they want with it..in the beginning he was ok but very soon political power made him a bad person.. there were few people who fucked up yugoslavia and milosevic was the no1
There were no carpet bombings, no one said there were, but striking factories hurt the innocent people, not the military. NATO failed because our military suffered almost no casulties. 500 soldiers died in the raids, many of them in the fights against the KLA. But instead over 2000 civilians died in the raids.
And for your info about Yugoslav army limiting the action inside the country, how about three soldiers that got captured by Yugoslav forces? They were not in our country....
What is a Petroleum plant,or a Tobaco Factory?What about Flour factory?Or a Electronic industry?A National TV station? Food factories?Car factories?Those are not military targets, ut civilian ones.And trying to destroy a bridge with cluster bombs?For your info the cluster bombs that fell on the market may be the mistake, although the airport is clearly visible even from 10.000 feets. And about the cluster bombs that fell on Children Hospital and a Bus stop? There were no military targets there.
Whatever u think is right.......u are commenting the events according to NATO press releases and news that always presented Serbs differently. Also were u here when the bombings started? Were u here when they released Cluster Bombs on the market in Nish? And the Hospital in Nish? And a Bus station? How about a passenger train full of civilians? Or a Chinese Embassy? NATO didn't talk too much about that didn' they? ......
WE pulled back from Kosovo because NATO switched to bombing of civilian targets. When we signed the piece treaty many of the soldiers were outraged when they heard the news. They wanted to fight on. But then they realised more of our people would suffer. So we lost. And for what? For trying to defend our people in Kosovo and for fighting a terrorists. And about that UN prisoner exchange..are u kidding me...prisoners chanting Alahu EKber with AKs and uniforms. Are u kidding me?
I already said that stories on the net were not true. Bombing of Bosnia was not true, but the bombings in RInas were. And about our military. They were defending spirited defence, mainly against the UCK. Military suffered minimum losses, NATO claimed they destroyed 200 tanks, while in fact only 13 were destroyed. Same goes to all other military aspects except the planes, We had little cover for them.
Lol....i need to stop believing the press???? First pf i was there during the conflict. I witnessed the destruction of one airplane, my father witnessed two. The NATO said they lost 2. Remember the F 117....they said it was not shoot down, until we were able to capture the wreckage and bring newspapers so they couldn't bomb it. The bombings were a secret operation, nobody is going to celebrate that. As i said the stories on the net were not true.
DO you think military reveals all the plans. USA "revealed" they invaded Iraq for weapons of mass destruction and look at Iraq now. There was UN all over Bosnia during the Balkan wars, but that didn't stop their planes to transport mujahideens to aid the Bosnian conflict....so stories about peacekeepers are "invention of an over active mind" . Search the youtube for mujahideens and u will find a video of them being escorted to the frontline.
LooooooooooL................it is true about F 86, really a great piece of work (although looks almost the same as the Mig 15)....but F-4 didn't do much after Mig 21 came....
Those stories on the net are bullshit, claiming they know what happened, i don't believe them too. My info comes from my father, a pilot in Yugoslav Airforce. They flew almost everyday and bombed the UCK positions in Kosovo, why wouldn't they bomb the one in Albania, or Tuzla?
why is mig dangerous? because of the high angle of attack, but. still this doesnt show it. because he is just flying this mig with AWWFULLLL PAINTING as a wuss
Ghostwatcher...a point well made. An illustration of your point is the Falkland Island War ( transonic Harriers vs Mach 2 Mirage) I just get tired of Russian comments here forever making excuses for why their "ass kicking fighters" have weak combat records. As the old expression goes, "put up or shut up!"
Just saw your comment tonight, one thumb up from me.
Well they have weak combat records because the russian jets that were in combat in Iraq, Yugoslavia etc. are old dating from the 80s. How about Mig records in Vietnam and Korea???
Yugoslavia was a mixed bag of old and new, Iraq had the best of the stuff Russia has exported. (Oil money!)
Korea: MiG-15's did well until the F-86 arrived shortly after.
Vietnam: MiG-17's&19's gave us fits for a few years because of "rules of engagement rules" and a lack of proper combat tactic schools like Top Gun/Red Flag.
In neither case did the U.S lose control of the sky.
I keep on seeing comments from Russians and supporters regarding MiG aircraft "kicking ass" ....WHEN & WHERE?
Yeah sure......Yugoslavia had mix of new and old????Are you crazy???? Our radars couldn't detect further than 70 Km and could shoot from 40 km...USA lost wars in Korea and Vitnam...which means they lost control of the air space...unless there are some USA planes still flying there. I say again Mig KICKED BIG ASS in Korea....fact. O not to mention the engagements with the German Mig 29s and Hornets....Migs kicked their asses every time...
Pentraksil, I am going to give you a free one here.
"Our* radars couldn't detect 70km and could shoot 40km".
It was agains't Yugoslavia that the ONLY F-117 stealth fighter was SHOT down.....it has been mothballed so you guys you guys will FOREVER hold that distinction.
You are short-changing your own people.
In Korea and Vietnam... If the MiG's "controlled the air", please supply some dates and places where this happened and American ground forces were bombed and strafed as a result.
Well you lost both wars right??? So migs took over. And all the way until Sabre showed up Migs kicked ass. If they didnt then why do your pilots always say they shit their pants when migs are coming???
I am disappointed with you, an official no comment regarding your obsolete radar and a stealth F-117 shootdown?
WWII vintage B-29 bombers were the aircraft that shot it's pants when the Communist MiG's decided the come play south of the Yalu river/Manchurian border.
In Vietnam the MiG 17, 19 and 21's never strayed south of the DMZ while Lyndon Johnson made NVA airbases off-limits to bombing attacks. Are you aware of this?
Why comment on shoot down of F-117? We shoot it down because our army is trained in that kind of warfare-against superior foe. They shoot down 2 one is damaged, the NATO doesnt want to admit this or 40 other aircrafts that were shot down. The vietnamise army was not so technology equipped as USA was. They had very little amount of aircraft why risk a bombing or strafing with so little aircraft. Our military bombed during the 1999 war 2 airfields, one in Bosnia other in Albania losing two planes.
Explain to me how we lost the Korean War? Also, just because we lost the Vietnam war (or if any nation loses any war) that does not mean control of the sky was lost. In Vietnam the USAF ruled the sky and their biggest threat were ground based SAMs in North Vietnam.
Well there werent US planes in Vietnam after you pulled back so you lost control of the sky. It isn't like Iraq today where you won and still have control of the sky. In Korea just like in Vietnam you didn't achieve what you wanted, so you lost
in the korean war yes they kicked ass mostly to inept and inexperienced korean or chinese pilots but when a russian aces of ww2 took on the american sabres.......it often turned very hairy and it was a battle for youre life againts pros, the nk's and chinks were noobs but the russkies were far from being noobs very far.
The JAS 39 Gripen? The "Crash-King" from Sweden? You can't be serious! The Gripen had absolutely no combat missions. The aircraft is in service with the Swedish Air Force, the Czech Air Force, the Hungarian Air Force and the South African Air Force. It's no big deal.
Чушь полная. ельцин отдал 777 военных городках и 36 290 зданиями в ГДР за 500 миллионов долларов всего. Сами немцы оценивают все наше добро в 30 миллиардов западногерманских марок. Это был просто подарок для немцев.
вот только не надо вгонять в комплекс "неполноценности". советую посмотреть, что стало с нашими военными городками за 20 лет. в каком они у немцев запустении, например Хиллерслебен, а таких море...все в разрухе.
Yes, for a minute I thought it was an older f-4 Phantom going by !! ( I see the Luftwaffe F-4 ICE Phantom fianlly solved the smoke problem with the J-79's) Perhaps I missed it, but can someone tell me one instance where the Mig-29 kicked-ass in actual COMBAT...NOT an airshow? Let me know when and where...Thanks!
Ok can you tell me when REAL aka not this exported downgraded versions even Germans had ever saw combat? NO!? Well no wonder because they did not ;-) Besides that even with such planes Luftwaffe kicked the living shit out of USAF F-16's on the joint excersize... Now while Germans probably were the best Fulcrum pilots in the world at the time I can't even imagine what would happen if they had Fulcrums intended for Russian Air Force ;-)))
the russians didnt use it but i found way more where the mig was in use.
Indian MiG-29s saw action during the Kargil War in Kashmir in 1999. The IAF used the MiG-29s extensively for providing fighter escort for Mirage 2000s which were used for firing laser-guided bombs on enemy targets. According to Indian sources during the Kargil War, MiG-29s from IAFs 47 (Black Archers)Squadron successfully locked onto two Pakistani Air Force (PAF) F-16s which were close to the Indian airspace.
if your trying to say that the Mig-29 cant fight in combat your full of shit to say the least... dont quote Iraq 91' because Iraq basically just used the Mig-29 shell... no Russian technology was left on the Iraqi Migs due to a sanction imposed at the time or something to that effect... the Mig-29 would kick the F-16s ass, and is on par with the F-18
If I hear another Russian crying about their "export" MiG's, I'm goin to scream!
Heard the same argument about the MiG-23 from another Russian. Where is the "savings" of buying castrated 2nd rate MiG's if you get shot down ? The U.S tried the same gimick with the lesser F-16/79....no buyers....they wanted the real deal.
Wake me up when the "ass kicking" starts.
Heard about IAF MiG 29's chasing off Pakistani F-16A's...that it.
well Cabalfreak the East germans in the cold war had them and when the berlin wall came down the german air force just took them in and began to use em, but just for show the german air force uses the eurofighter typhoon 2000. (mostly)
Wenn ich gerade aus den Windeln wäre, würde ich auch noch nicht wissen das die EF in Laage ein ganzes Geschwader MIG 29 der Bundeswehr aus NVA-Beständen abgelöst haben. Alle BW MIG 29 wurden nach Polen gegeben.
ihr könnt das gar nicht einschätzen... wer weiß es denn am ende schießen die eine rakete aus kilometern entfernung ab un die wendigkeit is dahin...aber i welche spekulationen zu starten wer besser is halte ich für sinnlos
Die MiG-29 ist prinzipiell auch nicht schlecht, passt aber ersatzteilmässig, noch waffentechnisch zum restlichen Bestand. Man wollte sich da nicht länger von den Russen abhängig machen, und daher wurden die eben an Polen "verkauft" um sie los zu werden.
Ja die MiG ist aus NVA-Beständen. 23 Maschinen waren von 1990 bis 2007 in Laage stationiert. Seit 2007 gibt es allerdings keine MiG's mehr in der Luftwaffe, wurden (fast) alle an Polen verkauft und durch Eurofighter ersetzt.
In den 17 Jahren dienten sie im Angriffsfall als Alarmrotte. Auf NATO-Ebene simulierten sie feindliche Flieger und trainierten daher oft mit amerikanischen Piloten.
Showmäßig waren sie sehr oft im "Flying Display" unterwegs, formationsmäßig eher selten.
Since the Berlin wall went down and they were left with a bunch of them from the east. They also had a few MIG21's and other older planes, they kept the 29's flying, but I don't think any fly anymore. The video looks like CG, though the color scheme is a real one
The GAF took them over from the former Airforce of the NVA. Unfortunately they were given as something like a present to Poland. Leo 2s were given them , too.
One could have called it a "sold"out of the Bundeswehr- if they had just demanded proper prices and not symbolic ones. I would have wanted one too for a couple of Euros ;)
They have only a limited budget for their fighter sqadrons, and they wanted to have all their sqadrons with the EF 2000 Eurofighter.
Also they were very expensive to use them, 4 times as expensive as the EF 2000.
So that improved Bundeswehrs fighting capability, altough I must admit the EF 2000 does not have a lack of the elegance of the Mig 29. As far as I know Poland uses them as a part giver.
To be quite honest, I don't like Migs or Sukhois very much. I prefer Nato jets, although one has to admit that the ancient sowjet warplanes are very good espeially in a direct comparison of speed, length and maneuvarbility.
But, all they have one problem in common: Maintenance.
Nato jet's components are designed to fly economically for years, those of "russian" jets aren't: Migs are cheaper when bought, but with higher longtime costs.
That's why the GAF decided to set them out of service.
LOL !
sborrone90 2 weeks ago
@TNQTV my bad, i wasn't picking up on reheat "cycle". But the term reheat is also a synonym for afterburner.
r1cw 6 months ago
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r1cw 6 months ago
@TNQTV I get the feeling that you don't even have a grasp on the concept. With out afterburner/reheat engines effectively loose 50% or more of their thrust. Very few fighters are capable of supersonic flight with out it. And currently no Russian fighter is. The Russians use reheat just as often as anyone else to get the desired effect, which is to climb higher and fly faster. Watch any Mig or Su demo and they are in afterburner almost the whole time.
r1cw 6 months ago
@TNQTV I always understood that is reheat and afterburner are the same thing. They are both the process of spraying fuel directly into the exhaust of the engine after the turbines. Reheat is what the Brits call it and the Yanks call it afterburner.
r1cw 6 months ago
@TNQTV oh ok that explains it
chicken4247 7 months ago
neat
deadlytaco101 8 months ago
what an eco friendly jet! lol wtf is all that smoke comein out running on cooking oil or what
chicken4247 8 months ago
Germans in Migs.... OMG wouldn't want to dogfight them boys
SubaruWRXtreme 9 months ago 10
@SubaruWRXtreme hehe
theobajerke 3 months ago
black smoke = full power
no smoke = after burner
syntaxerror9 9 months ago
it is an mig29 of the west-german luftwaffe
this video was made at the airport rostock - laage
it (mig 29) was in service for the bundeswehr from 1990 till 2004
they sold their last mig to poland and poland fly with them still today
one day poland may give one mig back to the bundeswehr as a museumsaircraft
MalteAdam 10 months ago
einfach nur geil diese power
parkhausblinker 10 months ago
russian junk.
toyzruskid62 10 months ago
@toyzruskid62 Actually, I know it's a sin saying this, seeing as I am a fellow American, but the Russians damn well know how to make high performance aircraft. If they made shitty planes, no one else would be buying them.
336kgf 10 months ago
@toyzruskid62 the west german luftwaffe took over the migs after the fall of the wall... they remained in service till 2005
zeking0302 9 months ago
this the East German luftwaffe? I didn't think the W Germans flew Mig's? Where was this shot and what year?
SNDNGRKLR 11 months ago
@SNDNGRKLR
The (west-)German Luftwaffe assume 24 MiG-29G from the former East German Luftwaffe and left they in service until 2004 :-)
couteau86 10 months ago
@couteau86 awesome)))
andreyRUS17 10 months ago
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@SNDNGRKLR the west german luftwaffe took over the migs after the fall of the wall... they remained in service till 2005
zeking0302 9 months ago
At least you can see: The engines are running! :D
4TaktRollerNeinDanke 11 months ago
Leaking oil
hispanicuscorpus 11 months ago
BLACK SMOKE, HELL YEAH!
TheTorri98 11 months ago
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what's the feedback from the german pilots on those MIG29
ericssson 1 year ago
The reason why it's so smokey is because (just like the Luftwaffe Phantoms) they use oil in the fuel to prolong engine life.
tagala777 1 year ago
I think what is more impressive then the fly by is the climbing roll radius he executes after it.
cmdrnmartin 1 year ago 2
Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!
TheJetbreaker 1 year ago
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FistsOfFury21 1 year ago
how can some people think it's a tomcat???? IT IS NOT!!!!!!!
tobseNo1 1 year ago
No afterburner, just some smoke.
flexairz 1 year ago
thts not a mig 29 its a tomcat with flames on it ☺☻
luke6638 1 year ago
@luke6638 LOOOOOOOSERRRRRRRRRR Go and pull yer pud to top gun you turd burglar.
tagala777 1 year ago
@luke6638 pause at 0:25.. Its a Mig 29. With the German Bundesflag on it, not flames..
evildeathmonkey1 11 months ago
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thts not a mig 29 its a tomcat with flames on it
luke6638 1 year ago
thts not a mig 20 thts a tomcat with flames on it
luke6638 1 year ago
lol the engines dont smoke on afterburner. no afterburner sorry
jamesyak52 1 year ago
@jamesyak52 you're partialy right, it's not using afterburner, but tumanski engines are always smoky even when using ab
grtorrest 1 year ago
@grtorrest its not a mig 29 its a tomcat
luke6638 1 year ago
@luke6638 re you out of your mind? Where's the swing wing mechanisms? where's the RIO (the guy in the back seat)?, wait a minute, where is the back seat?, when did the luftwaffe, more exactly JG73 in Laage, get the F-14?, have you ever see an F-14 or a MiG 29?.
Man this is MiG-29G 29+20 (MiG-29A upgraded by DaimlerChrysler Aerospace, now EADS, for NATO compatibility)
grtorrest 1 year ago
@luke6638 No its not
flexairz 1 year ago
@luke6638
BIG #FAIL DUDE !!!
Speedless73 1 year ago
No afterburner. the engine is always like that, smoky.
phadil 1 year ago
man Migs look like beasts.
kleidoscope 1 year ago
@T1w4z das weiß ich jetzt auch, es sind zwei "Klimow-RD-33K-Mantelstromstriebwerke" - Sehr leistungs starke teile
MrSovjetunion 1 year ago
@T1w4z das weiß ich jetzt auch, es sind zwei "Klimow-RD-33K-Mantelstromstriebwerke"
MrSovjetunion 1 year ago
@anspren Du meinst das Cobramanöver? Der EF beherrscht dieses Manöver perfekt. Das konnte ich auf der ILA mit meinen eigenen Augen sehen.
T1w4z 1 year ago
I always thought they used kerosene to fuel jetplanes, not crude oil or browncoal brikets.... I like it!
tielemaniak 1 year ago
Ich glaube, dass die MiG-29 garkeinen Nachbrenner hat !?
MrSovjetunion 1 year ago
@MrSovjetunion sie hat die Nachbrenner
T1w4z 1 year ago
wow nice paint job .
silkethirteen 1 year ago 6
Did that plane feature a custom paint job??! How cool is that?! (if it's not standard equipment, that is)
magnacore11 1 year ago
Nice fly-by!! That was an insane chandelle at the end! Awesome!! XD
flugverrueckt 1 year ago
Zu schade das wir die abgegeben haben... ich habe sie geliebt und werde den Anblick auf jeder Flugshow vermissen. Das Ding war nicht nur Leistungsstark, es sah auch noch verdammt gut aus.
Sturmfalke010475 1 year ago
@Sturmfalke010475 naja, zuviel spritverbrauch halt :D
Haniel93 1 year ago
It´s in Airbase Laage - close to Rostock (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern).
Das war kurz vor der Ausserdienststellung und Überführung nach Polen.
Longer1312 1 year ago
Thats not a mig. its an SU-27
Sethical 1 year ago
@Sethical Its a Mig 29G used by the German Airforce from 1990 to 2004. We sold them to the Polish Air Force for the symbolic price of €1 per item.
Sturmfalke010475 1 year ago
HAhaha whats up with the smoking trail ? To make it easier for the F15's ?
cmtegaravello 1 year ago
@cmtegaravello f15? even your grandpa could hit it with his entfield
punisher17011990 1 year ago
@punisher17011990 ur right, but the smoking trail is BS
cmtegaravello 1 year ago
@punisher17011990 llolololol
djwilko7 1 year ago
Boah, die quarzen ja wie die Luftwaffendiesel...
respinK 1 year ago 2
@melfiire no i think bad fuel
pavel280488AA 1 year ago
Those engines were seriously de-tuned. Willing to bet they were at the end of their life and were overdue for a swap. Russian jet engines do smoke a little but usually not THAT much.
Russians boast about how the engines can go so many hours without any maintenance but that's because they get swapped out for new ones and the old ones turned in for re-building. Basiclly they just top off the oil and run 'em into the ground.
frankthespank 2 years ago
Tell me your joking?They really do that I mean swapped the engines out after running them out? Your a pilot or flight mechanic?
kalikaputra 1 year ago
@kalikaputra
I've read a little on the subject and seen documentaries about it. They build their engines tough and just make sure the oil is topped off and when the engines either have a problem or is at the end of their service life they just swap them for freshly re-built engines.
That differs from the U.S where we do as much maintenance as we can in the field (aircraft carrier or base) until we re-build the engines.
frankthespank 1 year ago
In the stuff you read did they say which approach was more cost effective? thanks for the info man.
kalikaputra 1 year ago
nah their engines really do smoke - at least at some conditions.
Suyamu 2 years ago
Fucking Diesel ! ;)
ElephantKiller23 2 years ago 47
@ElephantKiller23 It might be smoky but when the Wall came down and NATO had a chance to see one up close and then fly it..... they had a massive, massive shock and realised thay could have been up against a formiddable opponent and lots of them. We'd been swamped.
Kuatchisugimoto 1 year ago
@ElephantKiller23
hah yeah.
patachu666 1 year ago
I don't see no afterburner!
Neutrinoghost 2 years ago 18
@Neutrinoghost whats afterburner?
BlAhHaDaBoY123 1 year ago
@BlAhHaDaBoY123 Just type afterburner into youtube ...you'll see.
Neutrinoghost 1 year ago
the smoke because the this mig are old and engines are old
topulov3 2 years ago 2
Low/zero bypass turbojets. If it's like the Phantom a lil afterburner will clear it right up.
davetek490 2 years ago
Because the Tumanski engines they use are very unefficient^^
RomanticGothderechte 2 years ago 3
as the phanom.
hopefully the phantoms will serve longer than planned theyre real beauties.
95predator 2 years ago
i love that plane
herbst199011 2 years ago
to put a rest to all arguments like these
Copy and paste this
It happened and you all cant change it, just give up
thishomie 2 years ago
beautiful plane great manouvreing .
bumbandito1 2 years ago
Nice paint job.
reverendcutterx 2 years ago
Wow i like to rec that sound and put it into C&C Generals to the mig´s :)
wasborn1982m 2 years ago
Someday we will learn the truth, we shall se who is right who is wrong....could be anything tommorow. The only thing we have to do now is try to rebuild our country by ourselfs, rather then waiting for a foreign aid. I hate that. We should just be ourselfs, build and prosper on our own.....i hope that in the near future no war breaks out, but Kosovo is our greatest consern right now. Albanians wont stop there.
pentraksil 2 years ago
Thats it.....NATO attacked Yugoslavia just because they could, not because it would escalate. And besides although Miloshevic made some bad decisions in the past, the law was clearly on our side. Albanians wanted indipendence through violence against Serbs in the region. KLA was on the terrorists list, why not help us, or simply why not leaving us alone? The war in ex Yu didn't start because of Serbs only...it was much complex....
pentraksil 2 years ago
They were peacekeepers, but not like the UN...they were the part of NATO. KFOR is now a peacekeeping force, although they aren't doing what they supposed to. And why would NATO care what Milosevic does in our country? Why didn't NATO attack Russia when they invaded Georgia? NATO doesn't like Putin too.....so why not attack them too?
pentraksil 2 years ago
Sure they were peacekeepers.......and what does NATO want from Miloshevic anyway....why don't they take care of their own countries and business. Just leave us alone to deal with our problems ALONE.....they ruin MY life because they didn't like Miloshevic.....bunch of assholes
pentraksil 2 years ago
milosevic ruined a lot of innocent lives in the ex-yugoslavia, not to mention that he gave serbia into the hands of the criminals to do what they want with it..in the beginning he was ok but very soon political power made him a bad person.. there were few people who fucked up yugoslavia and milosevic was the no1
tibchy144 2 years ago
There were no carpet bombings, no one said there were, but striking factories hurt the innocent people, not the military. NATO failed because our military suffered almost no casulties. 500 soldiers died in the raids, many of them in the fights against the KLA. But instead over 2000 civilians died in the raids.
And for your info about Yugoslav army limiting the action inside the country, how about three soldiers that got captured by Yugoslav forces? They were not in our country....
pentraksil 2 years ago
What is a Petroleum plant,or a Tobaco Factory?What about Flour factory?Or a Electronic industry?A National TV station? Food factories?Car factories?Those are not military targets, ut civilian ones.And trying to destroy a bridge with cluster bombs?For your info the cluster bombs that fell on the market may be the mistake, although the airport is clearly visible even from 10.000 feets. And about the cluster bombs that fell on Children Hospital and a Bus stop? There were no military targets there.
pentraksil 2 years ago
Whatever u think is right.......u are commenting the events according to NATO press releases and news that always presented Serbs differently. Also were u here when the bombings started? Were u here when they released Cluster Bombs on the market in Nish? And the Hospital in Nish? And a Bus station? How about a passenger train full of civilians? Or a Chinese Embassy? NATO didn't talk too much about that didn' they? ......
pentraksil 2 years ago
WE pulled back from Kosovo because NATO switched to bombing of civilian targets. When we signed the piece treaty many of the soldiers were outraged when they heard the news. They wanted to fight on. But then they realised more of our people would suffer. So we lost. And for what? For trying to defend our people in Kosovo and for fighting a terrorists. And about that UN prisoner exchange..are u kidding me...prisoners chanting Alahu EKber with AKs and uniforms. Are u kidding me?
pentraksil 2 years ago
I already said that stories on the net were not true. Bombing of Bosnia was not true, but the bombings in RInas were. And about our military. They were defending spirited defence, mainly against the UCK. Military suffered minimum losses, NATO claimed they destroyed 200 tanks, while in fact only 13 were destroyed. Same goes to all other military aspects except the planes, We had little cover for them.
pentraksil 2 years ago
Lol....i need to stop believing the press???? First pf i was there during the conflict. I witnessed the destruction of one airplane, my father witnessed two. The NATO said they lost 2. Remember the F 117....they said it was not shoot down, until we were able to capture the wreckage and bring newspapers so they couldn't bomb it. The bombings were a secret operation, nobody is going to celebrate that. As i said the stories on the net were not true.
pentraksil 2 years ago
No argument from me ...
pentraksil is the one who is taken up with propaganda.
he has his world , we have ours.
rampking1 2 years ago
DO you think military reveals all the plans. USA "revealed" they invaded Iraq for weapons of mass destruction and look at Iraq now. There was UN all over Bosnia during the Balkan wars, but that didn't stop their planes to transport mujahideens to aid the Bosnian conflict....so stories about peacekeepers are "invention of an over active mind" . Search the youtube for mujahideens and u will find a video of them being escorted to the frontline.
pentraksil 2 years ago
LooooooooooL................it is true about F 86, really a great piece of work (although looks almost the same as the Mig 15)....but F-4 didn't do much after Mig 21 came....
pentraksil 2 years ago
Those stories on the net are bullshit, claiming they know what happened, i don't believe them too. My info comes from my father, a pilot in Yugoslav Airforce. They flew almost everyday and bombed the UCK positions in Kosovo, why wouldn't they bomb the one in Albania, or Tuzla?
pentraksil 2 years ago
why is mig dangerous? because of the high angle of attack, but. still this doesnt show it. because he is just flying this mig with AWWFULLLL PAINTING as a wuss
reindenaab 2 years ago
that would sound awesome being there!!
cs512tr 2 years ago
No ab anywhere. If they would have used it, there wouldn't be all that smoke...
Klappdrache 2 years ago
No afterburner anywhere
So you lose much of the smoke with AB, but isn't that a fuel consumption problem for an aircraft that CANNOT be refueled by a tanker aircraft?
Maybe the Germans should go to Russia and explain how they cleaned up the
F-4F's GE J-79's
Saw a F-4F ICE at the Reno Air Races...I was shocked to see how little smoke was emitted with and w/o afterburner.
Hell, the Russians are probably stealing this technology as I write this.
Btw, does the MiG 29 still use a drag shute?
rampking1 2 years ago
Ghostwatcher...a point well made. An illustration of your point is the Falkland Island War ( transonic Harriers vs Mach 2 Mirage) I just get tired of Russian comments here forever making excuses for why their "ass kicking fighters" have weak combat records. As the old expression goes, "put up or shut up!"
Just saw your comment tonight, one thumb up from me.
rampking1 2 years ago
Well they have weak combat records because the russian jets that were in combat in Iraq, Yugoslavia etc. are old dating from the 80s. How about Mig records in Vietnam and Korea???
pentraksil 2 years ago
Yugoslavia was a mixed bag of old and new, Iraq had the best of the stuff Russia has exported. (Oil money!)
Korea: MiG-15's did well until the F-86 arrived shortly after.
Vietnam: MiG-17's&19's gave us fits for a few years because of "rules of engagement rules" and a lack of proper combat tactic schools like Top Gun/Red Flag.
In neither case did the U.S lose control of the sky.
I keep on seeing comments from Russians and supporters regarding MiG aircraft "kicking ass" ....WHEN & WHERE?
rampking1 2 years ago
Yeah sure......Yugoslavia had mix of new and old????Are you crazy???? Our radars couldn't detect further than 70 Km and could shoot from 40 km...USA lost wars in Korea and Vitnam...which means they lost control of the air space...unless there are some USA planes still flying there. I say again Mig KICKED BIG ASS in Korea....fact. O not to mention the engagements with the German Mig 29s and Hornets....Migs kicked their asses every time...
pentraksil 2 years ago
Pentraksil, I am going to give you a free one here.
"Our* radars couldn't detect 70km and could shoot 40km".
It was agains't Yugoslavia that the ONLY F-117 stealth fighter was SHOT down.....it has been mothballed so you guys you guys will FOREVER hold that distinction.
You are short-changing your own people.
In Korea and Vietnam... If the MiG's "controlled the air", please supply some dates and places where this happened and American ground forces were bombed and strafed as a result.
rampking1 2 years ago
Well you lost both wars right??? So migs took over. And all the way until Sabre showed up Migs kicked ass. If they didnt then why do your pilots always say they shit their pants when migs are coming???
pentraksil 2 years ago
I am disappointed with you, an official no comment regarding your obsolete radar and a stealth F-117 shootdown?
WWII vintage B-29 bombers were the aircraft that shot it's pants when the Communist MiG's decided the come play south of the Yalu river/Manchurian border.
In Vietnam the MiG 17, 19 and 21's never strayed south of the DMZ while Lyndon Johnson made NVA airbases off-limits to bombing attacks. Are you aware of this?
Compromise?
MiG 15 did beat F-80
MiG 17/19 did beat F-105.
rampking1 2 years ago
Why comment on shoot down of F-117? We shoot it down because our army is trained in that kind of warfare-against superior foe. They shoot down 2 one is damaged, the NATO doesnt want to admit this or 40 other aircrafts that were shot down. The vietnamise army was not so technology equipped as USA was. They had very little amount of aircraft why risk a bombing or strafing with so little aircraft. Our military bombed during the 1999 war 2 airfields, one in Bosnia other in Albania losing two planes.
pentraksil 2 years ago
Explain to me how we lost the Korean War? Also, just because we lost the Vietnam war (or if any nation loses any war) that does not mean control of the sky was lost. In Vietnam the USAF ruled the sky and their biggest threat were ground based SAMs in North Vietnam.
BARsrule2 2 years ago
Well there werent US planes in Vietnam after you pulled back so you lost control of the sky. It isn't like Iraq today where you won and still have control of the sky. In Korea just like in Vietnam you didn't achieve what you wanted, so you lost
pentraksil 2 years ago
in the korean war yes they kicked ass mostly to inept and inexperienced korean or chinese pilots but when a russian aces of ww2 took on the american sabres.......it often turned very hairy and it was a battle for youre life againts pros, the nk's and chinks were noobs but the russkies were far from being noobs very far.
phonix032 2 years ago
These things put out more black smoke than an old Chevy Diesel!!! They should be easy to ID in the air if IFF system goes down.
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
I'm not aircraft expert but IMHO mig-29 (and russian weapons in general) looks sexy :)
trunikov 2 years ago 5
The JAS 39 Gripen? The "Crash-King" from Sweden? You can't be serious! The Gripen had absolutely no combat missions. The aircraft is in service with the Swedish Air Force, the Czech Air Force, the Hungarian Air Force and the South African Air Force. It's no big deal.
cyberarmy007 2 years ago
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mhagins1 2 years ago
You kid, have no idea about Aviation. So shut the hell up!
germansascha 2 years ago 2
In Germany there is a MIG?
German pilots were lucky!
maxispeed0 2 years ago
Это Миги ГДР советского производства вообще-то. ФРГ их присвоили себе после воссоединения. Очень гордятся этим. Хи-хи.
Veter23 2 years ago
да я это уже выяснил.
Но все равно им повезло!
maxispeed0 2 years ago
Что значит повезло? Жалко, что мы их отдали. Они-то всю собственность наших бывших военных городков на территории ГДР себе присвоили. Все, тю-тю.
Veter23 2 years ago
Немцам повезло говорю, что они в нахаляву столько МИГов получили.
Да и не только МИГов....
maxispeed0 2 years ago
2 Veter23:
вообще-то за ту собственность они заплатили дойчмарками. а вот куда наши генералы их дели это большой вопрос.
trunikov 2 years ago
Чушь полная. ельцин отдал 777 военных городках и 36 290 зданиями в ГДР за 500 миллионов долларов всего. Сами немцы оценивают все наше добро в 30 миллиардов западногерманских марок. Это был просто подарок для немцев.
Veter23 2 years ago
2 Veter23:
Так кто же нам доктор? Трудно обвинять немцев в том, что они поступили так как это выгодно им.
Кстати есть интересный фильм по этому поводу:
rutube точка ru/tracks/1043422 точка html
trunikov 2 years ago
Никогда не говорят, что твоему конкуренту в чем-то повезло. Удача конкурента - это автоматом твоя неудача. Немцев, что ли, защищаешь?
Veter23 2 years ago
2 Verter23:
Скорее говорю, что нам самим не надо быть дураками.
trunikov 2 years ago 2
вот только не надо вгонять в комплекс "неполноценности". советую посмотреть, что стало с нашими военными городками за 20 лет. в каком они у немцев запустении, например Хиллерслебен, а таких море...все в разрухе.
Veter23 2 years ago
the only downside to the MiG is it's exhaust, other than that, a bad ass of a plane
camwizardoz 3 years ago
Yes, for a minute I thought it was an older f-4 Phantom going by !! ( I see the Luftwaffe F-4 ICE Phantom fianlly solved the smoke problem with the J-79's) Perhaps I missed it, but can someone tell me one instance where the Mig-29 kicked-ass in actual COMBAT...NOT an airshow? Let me know when and where...Thanks!
rampking1 3 years ago
Ok can you tell me when REAL aka not this exported downgraded versions even Germans had ever saw combat? NO!? Well no wonder because they did not ;-) Besides that even with such planes Luftwaffe kicked the living shit out of USAF F-16's on the joint excersize... Now while Germans probably were the best Fulcrum pilots in the world at the time I can't even imagine what would happen if they had Fulcrums intended for Russian Air Force ;-)))
Brain320 3 years ago
the russians didnt use it but i found way more where the mig was in use.
Indian MiG-29s saw action during the Kargil War in Kashmir in 1999. The IAF used the MiG-29s extensively for providing fighter escort for Mirage 2000s which were used for firing laser-guided bombs on enemy targets. According to Indian sources during the Kargil War, MiG-29s from IAFs 47 (Black Archers)Squadron successfully locked onto two Pakistani Air Force (PAF) F-16s which were close to the Indian airspace.
trains457 2 years ago
if your trying to say that the Mig-29 cant fight in combat your full of shit to say the least... dont quote Iraq 91' because Iraq basically just used the Mig-29 shell... no Russian technology was left on the Iraqi Migs due to a sanction imposed at the time or something to that effect... the Mig-29 would kick the F-16s ass, and is on par with the F-18
bittemeinrammstein 2 years ago
If I hear another Russian crying about their "export" MiG's, I'm goin to scream!
Heard the same argument about the MiG-23 from another Russian. Where is the "savings" of buying castrated 2nd rate MiG's if you get shot down ? The U.S tried the same gimick with the lesser F-16/79....no buyers....they wanted the real deal.
Wake me up when the "ass kicking" starts.
Heard about IAF MiG 29's chasing off Pakistani F-16A's...that it.
rampking1 2 years ago 2
well Cabalfreak the East germans in the cold war had them and when the berlin wall came down the german air force just took them in and began to use em, but just for show the german air force uses the eurofighter typhoon 2000. (mostly)
trains457 3 years ago
und ob die deutschen mig´s besitzen und zwar sind das 5 stück insgesamt aus nva bestand !!!!
Schultheisss 3 years ago
Die sind 2003 alle nach Polen gegangen. Get your facts straight.
Synarious 3 years ago
die migs sind alle verkäfft man!
nix mehrmitgood-oldmigs in luftwaffe
gammler0852 3 years ago
What a nice Plane! Böse im Kurvenkampf!!
OpaHoppenstedt 3 years ago
We dont use Migs !! we use tornado and eurofighter
Cabalfreak 3 years ago
Wenn ich gerade aus den Windeln wäre, würde ich auch noch nicht wissen das die EF in Laage ein ganzes Geschwader MIG 29 der Bundeswehr aus NVA-Beständen abgelöst haben. Alle BW MIG 29 wurden nach Polen gegeben.
isdasanstrengend 3 years ago
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germany doesn´t use migs
gotschge 3 years ago
yes doesn`t use migs, but look for 3 years ago.
That was a mig 29 from gdr, later the migs was integrated in the Luftwaffe. look at wikipedia.
Kohlnator 3 years ago 3
looks like he rearranged his internal organs after the flyby
AreaQNH870 3 years ago
ihr könnt das gar nicht einschätzen... wer weiß es denn am ende schießen die eine rakete aus kilometern entfernung ab un die wendigkeit is dahin...aber i welche spekulationen zu starten wer besser is halte ich für sinnlos
dasbasti1990 3 years ago
Nun ja, der Eurofighter ist eine gute Maschine, wie auch die Gripen, die MiG 29 würde ich da ein wenig schlechter einschätzen, auf jeden!
llllllrrrrrr 3 years ago
this MIG's got some probleeemooo's! it shouldnt shit that black smoke...
anyway..MIG's are great plaes! :)
madedd02 3 years ago
"it shouldnt shit that black smoke..."
The Luftwaffe tinkered a bit with the engines to prolong their service life. That they spew such smoke in low-flight is a sidee-effect from that.
Magni56 3 years ago
I like russian war equipment.
FangBl4de 3 years ago 4
IMPRESIONANTE, MIG-29 FABULOSO
gracias por el video, thankyu for video
LOLODECEUTA 3 years ago
NEED 3 SPEED
nadanada123 3 years ago
your lucky it didnt bomb you HAHA. juz kiddin
Blu3t0oth 3 years ago
Die MiG-29 ist prinzipiell auch nicht schlecht, passt aber ersatzteilmässig, noch waffentechnisch zum restlichen Bestand. Man wollte sich da nicht länger von den Russen abhängig machen, und daher wurden die eben an Polen "verkauft" um sie los zu werden.
Fooly1973 3 years ago
Germany
fcbayjako 3 years ago
Germany gave it's 29's to Poland for 1 Euro each? Damn, I'd have gone to 5 Euro each for those pieces of aviation history.
md902A 3 years ago 2
well that thing changes directions real fast! hahahah awesome!
Floatsforlife 3 years ago
No reheat-Russian gas turbine engines are renowned for giving off large amounts of black smoke when run dry.
Solidboat123 3 years ago
die mig29 ist doch noch aus beständen der nva oder?
wird diese maschine dann im kriegsfall auch eingesetzt oder is die nur so showmäßig unterwegs
gibts irgendeinen von der luftwaffe hier oder nen sonstigen experten der das weiß?
danke ^^
UltrasFrankfurt92 3 years ago
Ja die MiG ist aus NVA-Beständen. 23 Maschinen waren von 1990 bis 2007 in Laage stationiert. Seit 2007 gibt es allerdings keine MiG's mehr in der Luftwaffe, wurden (fast) alle an Polen verkauft und durch Eurofighter ersetzt.
In den 17 Jahren dienten sie im Angriffsfall als Alarmrotte. Auf NATO-Ebene simulierten sie feindliche Flieger und trainierten daher oft mit amerikanischen Piloten.
Showmäßig waren sie sehr oft im "Flying Display" unterwegs, formationsmäßig eher selten.
Sadrick76 3 years ago
OMG you dumb fucking whatever useless joke of a country you come from.
jdoernte 3 years ago
I didn't notice any afterburning going on. :p That was a non afterburning pass. Cool video though.
kickZtailout 3 years ago
spoken like a true euro douche bag. Its SO much pollution!!!
jdoernte 3 years ago
Since the Berlin wall went down and they were left with a bunch of them from the east. They also had a few MIG21's and other older planes, they kept the 29's flying, but I don't think any fly anymore. The video looks like CG, though the color scheme is a real one
TDOBrandano 3 years ago
russian jets sure smoke a lot. Easy to see them coming...Cool video.
squadman33 3 years ago
I doubt you could - they are heavily armored.... :P
Fliegertruppe 3 years ago 2
u may see em, but u dont react as fast...
Schmatko89 3 years ago
The GAF took them over from the former Airforce of the NVA. Unfortunately they were given as something like a present to Poland. Leo 2s were given them , too.
One could have called it a "sold"out of the Bundeswehr- if they had just demanded proper prices and not symbolic ones. I would have wanted one too for a couple of Euros ;)
MikeSierraTango13 3 years ago
They have only a limited budget for their fighter sqadrons, and they wanted to have all their sqadrons with the EF 2000 Eurofighter.
Also they were very expensive to use them, 4 times as expensive as the EF 2000.
So that improved Bundeswehrs fighting capability, altough I must admit the EF 2000 does not have a lack of the elegance of the Mig 29. As far as I know Poland uses them as a part giver.
Fliegertruppe 3 years ago
To be quite honest, I don't like Migs or Sukhois very much. I prefer Nato jets, although one has to admit that the ancient sowjet warplanes are very good espeially in a direct comparison of speed, length and maneuvarbility.
But, all they have one problem in common: Maintenance.
Nato jet's components are designed to fly economically for years, those of "russian" jets aren't: Migs are cheaper when bought, but with higher longtime costs.
That's why the GAF decided to set them out of service.
MikeSierraTango13 3 years ago 2