(The following is sarcastic.) Hi. We're Muslims and we are outraged at Mark's article. We're not outraged by what's going on all over the world in the name of Islam, we're not outraged by the fatwah for the death of a British author or the reaction about a few cartoons in an obscure Danish newspaper. We only seem to be outraged if ANYONE says ANYTHING against our religion. And if you don't agree...we'll eventually kill you (as our good Koran advocates).
Pakis by nature pretend to exhibit superiority complex while in reality they feel inferior to other religions. They grandstand on every issue but end up bitter losers.
They said that they didn't had any choice. They did. They could ask other newspaper to write about their view. But I guest they didn't had a good based story, only hurt feelings and no facts that would suggest that the article in McClean where wrong.
2:45: "There's an independent responsibility on McLean's magazine that when it is putting an issue out there for the public to allow us a reasonable opportunity to respond." This is huge claim. Is there such a responsibility? Is it a moral one, or a legal one? If a legal one, what is its basis? Do letters to the editor not fulfill any such responsibility? Does any news magazine have the responsibility to give to anyone who disagrees with any point of any article the platform to respond?
If i was ever called a name as a child i would simply shrug it off and carry on, Muslims get called a name and all of a sudden people start dying, court battles the rest of it, they are clearly being childish about the whole thing, to say they put themselves in this situation, they were not forced to move to Europe and America in the first place.
The three complainants all looks like children telling their dad their brother teased them xD
But anyways I understand why M.Steyn shows up, else they would just have had another argument against him but i think M.Steyn jut should let them shout as loud as they want to, cuz people aren't stupid, they see how stupid these complaints are. And everyone sees how childish they are behaving anyway. And it's said like this: The truth is silent, and the lie is yelling.
White people can't fight with al Qaeda small group less then 5 thousand are killing all the USA military 11 years you are fighting with Osama bin Ladan so how are u gonna fight with 1.5 billion Muslims. White people please leave islam alone . White people ya know what happened to the romans. Muslim destroyed the Romans
@AHMEDBULAXUBEY they are the only race that was able to take over the whole world in the past, even if it was a short time. No one race was able to do what they have done. They excel in everything from technology to building of modern civilizations. Go to school so you can learn your history.
@AHMEDBULAXUBEY All western militaries fight with their hands behind their backs to give poor a fighting chance, they agreed to this in the Geneva convention, otherwise they could have dropped a few nuclear bombs without even setting foot into the country. You can look at Japan in WW2. My best advice for you is to get educated
Only thing Muslims are good at is complaining, if there is not a bunch of Muslim fascists in the media complaining about 'Islamiphobia' then i think there's something wrong.
@BrandysiPodTips Maybe a little bit harsh now. But yeah, especially here in Europe the state has specialized muslims and and minorities on how to be pacifists. And whenever something happens that the muslims or minorities don't like, they complain on how little they get to participate. And the result of this (when the mainstream media always take poor mens site) is that everyone who wants to say something has to take in to account that they're most likely to be called racist or islamophobic..
Oh and BTW, @2:50 there is NO ONUS AT ALL on Maclean's to do what you want them to do, it is a magazine in a country with free press, and they publish what they want.
One must question a man or a womans judgement when they give credibility to a raping , murdering , theiving pedophile who pretended to be a prophet of God .
whinge whinge whinge.. isn't this multicultralism at its very best. minority interest groups chipping away at the concept of (westerners only, mind you) freedom of expression. i bet these western educated pakistanis don't spend half as much time attacking islamofascists as they should. so big up mark steyn, a man who has drawn the line as should all right minded westerners. its time to despise the political correctness philosophy for what it is.. a political and cultural suicide.
Lets get one thing straight. Islam(and many other religions) is hateful and phobic. What they love to use as arguments, is what they themselves are tought by most imams around the world.
Religion is full of hate usually.
Anyone who obey these religions, especially Islam, is shaped the way the religious leaders will teach.
Islam is by FAR the biggest threat to western society. And its going the wrong way so far. Lets hope for a bright, anti-islamic future.
Thats why i hate Islam. The muslims always seem to get to some kind of clash, with points. I listen usually a lot to them, but they always lose in the end. Islam, I think, is the reason why. Its a strange and perverted religion. Their personality, reflect their religious and cultural background.
I can see the same in Jews. Lets not be 100% anti-muslim. Many comparisons can be made. That old religion(Islam) is whats wrong, and will destroy the world if not fought back.
@rajmando1 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before." from the Quran
What I find quite unsettling about the three Muslims on the panel is that they refuse to quote anything of Mr. Steyn's work, in spite of their claims. e.g. 5:06: "What Mr. Steyn commonly does in his writing...", 5:30: "In which he essentially takes the Italian equivalent..."
Okay, if Mr. Steyn "commonly does this" or "essentially does that", why not quote him...?
I don't know much about Mr. Steyn, but I think it's patently obvious who's being honest and who's being disingenuous in this debate.
All the muslims on the panel are just dismal, the bimbo on the left is the annoying. Actually they are all annoying and dangerous as a representation of the so called "moderate" islam.
can any canadian discuss his issues about islam in any of arabic muslims magazines or tvs ?
did you forget how the muslims reacted against the cartoon issue in denmark ??
a whole christian street was devasted in Lebanon and many shops were robbed that day !! and nobody could stop them asit happened in many other countries
I find it extremely hypocritical for these well dressed articulate NON muslim conforming individuals to try to make a case for Islam! Non of these individuals from where I am sitting, seem to be subjected to the true Sharia laws that are embraced by the Orthodoxed Muslim community. UNLESS, the typical practice of deceit, in order to convince the enemy they are friendly, is being implemented here. Because none of these 3 individuals would survive in a true Islamic society.
Hey Muslims! If you want people not to write negatively about you and not fear you behave yourself in a civilized manner and stop raking havoc over a few articles and a bunch of cartoons and reign in your murderer fanatics then nobody have any good reason to write anything negative about you! Taking people to court is not going to show how maligned and discriminated against you are, but will prove everyone's suspicion that you are no friend of freedom and democracy and deserved al the maligning!
Muslims have NO sense of humor, NO appreciation for satire, NO appreciation for true tolerance NO respect for freedom of speech and NO love for democracy. They just pay lip service to these notions and try to misuse them when ever it suits their agenda, but God forbid if non-Muslims want to use their freedoms if it offends these thin-skinned people! And the fact that these seemingly modern and western looking muslims are paddling the same crap as bearded Imams should alarm us all!
Why do you think they want to control? How insecure are you? You don't need to be controlled mate. Be strong, don't let people push you around. And no, the way to do that isn't to bash somebodies families, culture, heritage etc and make sweeping hurtful statements. Its to be yourself and live your life. Now why that normal living of your life involves bashing of muslims is a bit sad no? what do you think? only terrorists or extremists spend so much time bashing others.
@cineasta71 I dont think they want to control you mate. They're trying to integrate but how do you expect them to with such narrow-mindedness as you're displaying in your comment. I doubt they want to control you, and hey, if you feel threatened of being controlled by someone else, just toughen up, say no and look the other way, I'm sure your mom and dad taught you that, really no need to be so insecure about something that is clearly just present in your head. they're normal people. sigh.
@massers Why would compare what you call insecurity with facts and history? Its beyond me. It's not only in my head for those of us who live in a first world country like Europe or Canada. But if you live in an island well you have little worries but these "people" will never go to Bermuda because there's nothing to do in Bermuda, just relax. So maybe you will be able to understand what i am saying may be you should be hunting blondies in the beach instead of burping online.
@cineasta71 My ancestral heritage and non-bigoted family ties (unlike yours I guess) are from Bermuda, but I have lived as a dual citizen in both the US and UK for the past 20 years as a highly active and high tax-paying individual. So I think my understanding of your skewed and delusional vision of the first world is probably more accurate than yours. And, if you read my comments across these messages, every single one is supported by fact, unlike yours unfortunately. Yours are truly emotional
@massers "My ancestral heritage and non-bigoted family ties (unlike yours I guess)" You see you are guessing and assuming, first sign of a maniac leftie who checks into videos from Mark Steyn, hahahaha....I have read your pitiful comments, difference is that i don't assume or guess. Facts are there but because you live in a cocacola fantasy world you are unaware, but once the will get you in the ass itll be a bit late for ya...
@cineasta71 Well I was making an educated guess about your background but you could always prove me wrong. I checked in to Mark Steyn's videos because I was sent a link by supporters of the 3 law students, a link sent by a non-Muslim white Christian progressive individual by the way. I'm not sure why you would think my facts are from a coca cola fantasy world because each of them is verified by the sources of information that majority of educated people would use. I guess you dont use them.
@MrKingvanilla83 I accept that some Muslim extremists are terrorists and blow people up, but surely you can't generalize that about over 1 billion people? And wont you accept that Muslim countries suffer more from these same terrorists? Pakistan has had over 30,000 innocent people killed since the war on terror. And also mate, fair enough, christian extremists may burn the Quran and that is there way of being pathetic, but, what about Breivik, and the Evangelical suicide cults in Ohio etc. ?
@MrKingvanilla83 I dont think they attack christianity mate. Muslim countries suffer way more from terrorism. Innocent children and women. And we're trying to fight this and its hard. And come on, are you really saying you don't have psychopaths in the West, paedophiles, child molestors, rapists, murderers, serial killers - ok you can say "oh they're just mad" but isn't it fair to assume that terrorists are also "mad" ... its all about perspective mate.
@massers my bad i guess i shoulda specified. i ment christianity gets attacked more by the mainstream media and hollywood. and yes their are some christians that are bad. we call them catholics lol every group has some bad apples. i use to have a muslim friend. he was really cool and nice but i still think that muslims as a whole are an evil people and an evil religion. and unless those moderate muslims decide to standup and fight against them, then im always gonna think that.
@MrKingvanilla83 I think you're confusing terrorism and religion. Islam is a direct descendant of Christianity and Judaism. The monotheistic fabric is continuously cross-referenced and all respected scholars of Christianity and Judaism accept that. So your tag of evil surely applies to the monotheistic tradition then? But, if you are referring to extremists, then yes, ofcourse we as Muslims should fight them, as we should fight Christian extremists. There should be no room for hatred.
@massers no doubt i think we should fight all extremist. but what i ment was like what rosie odonell said " christians are more of a danger to us then terrorist" something along those lines. and the aclu wouldnt let a man in my area fly a christian flag but they said it was okay to fly a muslim one. its the same thing as the black people getting their own network is okay but if they make a commercial with all whites then its racist. seems to me to be a little unfair
It is interesting that he doesn't object or deny the bit about the concentration camps and ethnic cleansing written by the man from the Islamic council. Shouldn't they be put off or at least say they don't agree with that. Also tolerance doesn't mean having to like people. Many Muslims don't seem to be be tolerant of others.
@MrBrational That's his mental illness showing right there. He's probably barely containing the urge to cut off Steyn's head while screaming ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
@MrBrational haha. No, I think its called intelligent debate and convincing arguments. I guess it blows your mind and confuses you so it looks like something you've never seen before, possibly unnatural, hence your visualizing it as a stroke. hahahah .. :p
Muslims are the very model for double standards in the world. They senser and demand all these special rights and privledges and don't want to have open dialogue about terrorism and use the racist card to combat facts that while not all Muslims are terrorists, % 99 of terrorists or Muslim. Don't call my religion violent or I will kill you !!!
This islamic idiot is the real terrorist- funded by a terrorist organization- a front group for Hamas called CAIR. This particular terrorist is engaging in what is called "lawfare." He is suing in order to silence. Islam can not thrive where there is freedom of speech and where the marketplace of ideas is left unregulated. Islam requires silence and submission. That bald terrorist needs to be hung.
Why are you afraid of muslims? Dont we not breath air? Are we not humans? Am I not able to practice my religion without being discriminated? or not have fear if I say i'm muslim. By these anti islamic comments you hate what you don't understand isn't that ignorance? Did you hear MLK speach for freedom ? or was death and fight was all in vain
One man stands alone aganist a whole group of muslims, that say we,we,we, and do
not take action as individuals but as a group, do you see the point, even here 3 against 1 this is emberressing! We are all individuals, stop falling in and out of the Muslim group, and saying it wasnt me or our muslim group it was that Muslim group. Next breath the person talking that is Muslim says we,we,we,we,we, think we should be able to,,,,,,,,,,,,,we,we,we, it sounds like crying.....to go to the washroom.
@EFISHANT Dearborn is the worst example considering your statement. Are you sure that planet Earth is what you reffer to? FAIL. And it's a demonstrable fact, you do the research.
Independent responsibility? No they don't. Articles can say whatever it is that they say. These damn Muslims are trying to control what is said about Islam. Too bad. Stop whining.
These people are part of a religion, and they KNOW they are part of a religion, which will attempt to kill them if they leave it. Death for apostasy in Islam is mandatory - fact.
The women are part of a religion, and they KNOW they are part of a religion, which will attempt to kill them if they exhibit any sexual or even social autonomy - there are thousands upon thousands of so-called "honour killings" every year.
Now - give these rock solid facts I have two more words to say - Go. Figure.
Typical of the lamestream media. One sensible conservative against three radical wacked out hard core leftist freaks. In this case, terribly unfair. Mark Steyn, armed with something called "fact" and another called "knowledge", had a huge advantage over the other three wackos.
it's just sounds like normal left-wing rhetoric: be tolerant of everything, and don't ask why, or we will fucking destroy you. yessss take us back to the gulags
oriana fallaci a woman that stood up against all sort of dictatorships,the resistance fighter against nazi and fascists, of leftist background, that the love of her life was a man ,twice condemned to death for attempting to kill the fascist leader of greek junta,the war corresponded against imperialist wars, oriana falacci the awarded jurnalist will be now dragged through the mud by these apologists of islamofascism that want to sensor
the whole society by waving the islamophobia accusation.
this whole entire debate proves that these people cant and more importantly DONT WANT to integrate. they want to retain their Muslim roots/identity and be separate from the majority while reaping the economic benefits while living in Canada.
Absolutely Correct! You have just described the modus Opper. of the entire islamic culture war. They take pride in looking down on the kaffir, and refuse to stop their agenda of exceptionalism.
@suchafool990 LOL Canada is sending it's troops the illegal wars of Iraq (no WMD's) and Afghanistan (no enquiry into 9/11 was allowed by Colin Powell)
@suchafool990 Ofcourse they want to integrate. What is wrong with you? Are you thick? that is exactly what they're asking for. They want to integrate and be treated fairly. You really disagree with that? How sad and lacking in tolerance is that? shame on you
@suchafool990 I disagree with your views completely because a vast, overwhelming majority of muslims want to completely integrate in all societies, just like most minorities in all countries across the world. it is a few bad seeds like muslim or christian extremists who ruin the debate on both sides. dont get swayed so easily by popular propaganda against a whole group of people. it is unfair and intolerant. we dont try and call all americans gun-toting serial killers or gangsters
@suchafool990 And that is precisely why they, and anyone else who does not want to integrate into their majority culture should be denied citizenship and be put on work/student residence permits only. And those who cause problems or overstay their welcome should be deported.
@suchafool990 These Muslims are well educated lawyers. Its the economy that will benefit from these hard working students.
What is ur definition of integration ? If its Muslim women having to wear mini-skirts and skin tight clothes, muslim men watching pornography and ice hockey violence just to fit in, then no they WONT integrate that way.
@TimeGod12 Didn't Osama have a stash of porn? And if you're a Muslim with internet access, I don't think Western culsture is the integration you need to see porn. No...porn is a mouse click away. So this culture argument is invalid.
@IllWillForYou Just because american media says that he saw porn does not mean its true. USA media also said iraq has WMDs. Was that true ?
In Canadian high schools, minority children have to do alot of stupid things IF they want to make friends with canadian born. Thats y u see chinese kids hanging out with chinese kids and korean kids with koreans.
My argument is based on facts and real life incidents.
@TimeGod12 Actually the American media parroted what the administration at the time said. There were many in the media that said there were no WMD. But people chose to believe what they want to believe.
Just like you're choosing to believe that Osama was some pious cleric demonized by the big bad American media. When point of fact he was an abusive, hypocrite who engaged in behaviors that his supposed religion abhors. I believe one of Osama's Somalia girlfriends wrote a book about him.
@suchafool990 the bottom line is that even in 'moderate' version, islam has an undeniable authoritarian streak, just like marxism or various forms of fascism. i still haven't seen a single muslim liberal democracy, and frankly i wouldn't live in any muslim country. i don't see how islam and western-style, liberal democracy can truly be compatible. oh, moderates even won't execute gays, they say. really? that's good. does that make the moderates our brothers in spirit? i don't bloody think so.
@suchafool990 the bottom line is that even in 'moderate' version, islam has an undeniable authoritarian streak, just like marxism or various forms of fascism. i still haven't seen a single muslim liberal democracy, and frankly i wouldn't live in any muslim country. i don't see how islam and western-style, liberal democracy can truly be compatible. oh, moderates even won't execute gays, they say. really? that's good. does that make the moderates our brothers in spirit? i don't bloody think so.
This is how a conversation with any muslim "like" people talk, etc by going around in circles and attacking ! No responsibilty for anything ! And I'm suposed to think they are intelligent ! NUTS ! By the way three to one is about right for them to speak-
@lybo5646b LOL look at missionaries and bible bashers, they go around in groups of 3's and 4's, heck some just knocked on my door just now asking if I wanted to hear some "good news"
The fact is we are rubbish at debating with muslims, they seem to have all corners covered. Their books are far superior in terms of putting their point across, in a plain simple manner that is logical within it's context.
This is how a conversation with any muslim "like" people talk, etc by going around in circles and attacking ! No responsibilty for anything ! And I'm suposed to think they are intelligent ! NUTS !
@soverysneaky Yes, muslims sold and continue to sell etc, but you are missing the principle. Muslims are pirates by nature (or by principle) and they will always trade in slaves until they are all dead.
@sirius1188k I agree with what you say (except for that part about me missing the principle). I do like you analogy between Muslims and pirates. It is accurate.
negeo1966: Instead of telling me what bad things the Muslims did not do (which is ludicrous - I'm a great person because I didn't murder anyone) why don't you admit that in history they have been a very murderous bunch and they continue to terrorize the world today!
@leonkushner This is the trouble. It's easy to try to distract people from the facts about Islam by trying to change the angle of debate and quote Bible references. The fact is, all religions are bad, but Islam is by far the worst.
I am also very familiar with common muslm tactics.They always sidetrack the interlocutor and start to accuse Christianity of sth it has never comitted. The crimes comitted by west were not motivated by Bible,but islam comits crimes in the name of its books.
Despite, I wish you all the best and I ll pray for you that you realize one day the crimes of islam and come to the Heavenly Father our God and his Son Yeshua Christos.
its seems that you NEOGEO are completely brainwashed by the muslim teaching, whereever u acquired it. They (muslim media and imams at mosques) are just poisoning you to make u to submit islam. The west is offering you freedom form any compulsion. If u want to be saved after your body dies, u need to believe in Yeshua who took all our sins upon himself. Why is Yeshua so special to God, because he is the only begotten Son of God and has as the only one the right to take all our sins upon himself.
Let us look at Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)
@NEOGEO1966 You can quote references from other religious texts until you're blue in the face, but only in Islam do you have moderate, everyday practitioners of their faith, who always fail to condemn anything the Qu'Ran says. All other world religions tend to condemn the violent verses of their texts now. Only Islam does not allow this.
@DancinJim - Verses of the Quran are taken out on context.
Major media outlets, most are owned by corporations owned by banks who have an interest in gainin oil, gas, gold, gems, minerals from Muslim nations push their agendas, and will try to justify why these so called "evil" muslims people and their lands need to be taken over.
It's mind control on a massive scale.
Let us see the facts, we support Israel's genocidal concensus against Muslims, NO WMD's in Iraq,no investagion into 9/11
@NEOGEO1966 But this conspiracy theory doesn't actually disprove my point, which is that Islam is the only religion where even its moderate practitioners refuse to condemn violent and hateful passages of its holy text. Ask a moderate Christian to condemn violent parts of the Bible and they will. Ask a moderate Muslim to condemn violent parts of the Qur'an and they will not, for fear of repercussions. I've seen many debates where a Muslim has a chance to denounce those hateful parts- they refuse.
@DancinJim Since you are a Christian, how do you feel about your faith being changed to the point that you can no longer recognise its true message?
Again I make this point clear, money is the root cause why gayness is accepted in most Christian churches (including the Vatican) The “Pink Market” generates $billions per annum.
Just as the King James Bible included “one man’s rule over another” to justify lucrative slavery and oppression of black people.
@NEOGEO1966 I am not a Christian. I am, thankfully, entirely uninitiated into any religion. But I will address your point, as it actually proves something that I want to prove - the fact you say how do I feel about a faith being changed to the point that I "can no longer recognise its true message?" is very telling - that you concede the TRUE message is the original one. This means that you then concede that the TRUE meaning of the Qur'an is the original, hateful, violent and bloodthirsty one.
@NEOGEO1966 Also, the 'Pink Market', is just a fanciful idea of yours I'm afraid! Homosexuality in any church was not even tolerated until recentl, let alone accepted/encouraged! The only reason Islam has not followed suit is because Islamic nations have not even modernised enough to treat women fairly, let alone homosexuals. The West has clearly developed more quickly in terms of becoming a civilised society over the years and Islamic countries are still trying to catch up.
@NEOGEO1966 Not at all. Disregarding violent passages from a text is simply acknowledging that violence and hatred of others in the name of religion, race, or anything, is unacceptable. Plain and simple. It does not mean the religion is any less reputable than any other. If you want to nitpick, then sure, Islam is consistent in its message... However, being consistent in message is not a positive, when its message is one of hatred, violence and intolerance. This is the message the Qur'an sends.
@NEOGEO1966 The information you give is not accurate, nor does it change the fact that the Prophet Muhammed took a 9 year old bride and raped her, beheaded men, women and children, raped women, waged war on non-believers and non-Muslim countries; or that Islam is the most intolerant religion towards women and homosexuals, and that its holy book preaches violence and hate. Nor does it change the fact that all religions are fictions, but Islam just happens to be the nastiest of those fictions.
Why Muslims Believe Jesus (pbuh) Is Not The Son of God
Reasons why...
Jesus* prayed to God - If Jesus* is God, why would God pray to himself???
Jesus* had a Mother - God does not need a Mother or Father.
Why does God need a son?
God is 1 - not 3 (Father, Son and holy ghost.)
Jesus* brought God's message to the children of Israel, not for the whole of humanity. That's why even now you have huge segregation between black and white churches, catholic-protestant wars ect.
@NEOGEO1966 This is not relevant to what I am saying though. Attempting to prove that Christianity is 'wrong' and Islam is 'right' means nothing to me, as I am not religious and know that all religion is nothing but a superstition to make people feel less scared of dying and ceasing to exist for all eternity.
@DancinJim Muslims adhere more to Christian teaching than the vast majority of Christians.
The example of the White, blond haired blue eyes Jesus* was designed to make black people and other non whites feel inferior, this was also used to justify slavery and one mans rule over another.
And we all know how much money slavery made for the USA (they has a civil war over it!) the UK and Europe.
@DancinJim We love to hate immigrants, but immigrants are too poor and too hungry to come here and even think about "taking over" the USA, The Fact is the great great grandparents of Latin folk, were native americans, and we go around sticking our nose in South American affairs, Why? Due to the money we make from their resources, Timber, Oil, Gas, Nickel, Tin.
We use South American resources, people, labour force to build and export our brands, so we can survive in this global recession.
@NEOGEO1966 No we don't. Infact, it's clearly the opposite in all my experiences. Society is full of liberal types who are all for immigrants. In the UK, if you speak out against even a section of immigrants for something they have done wrong, you are immediately jumped upon and labelled a 'racist'. The mainstream tend to support the minority. So the idea that all of Western society is against immigrants is simply not true. Even if it is where you live, it doesn't make it true for all the West.
@NEOGEO1966 Also, I don't think it's as easy as saying it's all about money. For your claims to be true, for example major media being controlled by banks, this major media has to be influencing and 'mind controlling' the masses. This simply isn't the case in Britain, where it is still only a minority of people who are speaking out against Islam. The majority seem to have been poisoned by liberal conditioning, which really spread during the last ten+ years. So I don't see how this can be true.
@DancinJim - American media is totally different, money talks in America, and banks own corporations which own media outlets in America, American news is watched by more people, and has more of a global reach.
You can deny what you think is wrong but let us look at an example. Fox News - Corporate not independent
Sky News- Corporate- not independent (Rupert Murdoch controlled) CNN - Corporate - Ted Turner's original concept of independent news bought out by Time Warner.
@NEOGEO1966 America is not the World. Nor is it even the West. Europe is a huge part of the West, and Britain, although a small nation in terms of physical size, is a large power when it comes to world politics. So, it's impossible to claim the entire West is in this huge conspiracy theory, when the media in my country is not having the effect on people you claim it should be. America is very lucky that people have the ability to speak out on these issues without being labeled a racist.
@NEOGEO1966 Liberalism has done nothing but hinder true progress over the years. Liberals are simply going over the top and taking their values too far. You have Liberals to thank for Political Correctness and for not being able to speak openly about race and religion. You have Liberals to thank for double-standards, showing bias towards ethnic minorities over whites. Liberalism had its uses when the West was racist, but now it is actually more biased towards minorities we don't need it at all.
(The following is sarcastic.) Hi. We're Muslims and we are outraged at Mark's article. We're not outraged by what's going on all over the world in the name of Islam, we're not outraged by the fatwah for the death of a British author or the reaction about a few cartoons in an obscure Danish newspaper. We only seem to be outraged if ANYONE says ANYTHING against our religion. And if you don't agree...we'll eventually kill you (as our good Koran advocates).
ghostframer 7 hours ago
Pakis by nature pretend to exhibit superiority complex while in reality they feel inferior to other religions. They grandstand on every issue but end up bitter losers.
kolaverydii 1 week ago
using the phrase Phony Balogne is a real argument...freaking awesome haha
RIGHTSIDEUPBLOG 3 weeks ago
Moderator looks like Inspector Gadget
TheBaerista 3 weeks ago
The 3 muslims are enermy of the western state.
RoadlessPath 4 weeks ago
They said that they didn't had any choice. They did. They could ask other newspaper to write about their view. But I guest they didn't had a good based story, only hurt feelings and no facts that would suggest that the article in McClean where wrong.
RoadlessPath 4 weeks ago
Stupid Law School Ideolog babies getting their asses handed to them by Mark Steyn
Jamespot24 1 month ago
I'm very impressed with the moderator -- think he did a great job in a difficult situation.
7beers 1 month ago 3
2:45: "There's an independent responsibility on McLean's magazine that when it is putting an issue out there for the public to allow us a reasonable opportunity to respond." This is huge claim. Is there such a responsibility? Is it a moral one, or a legal one? If a legal one, what is its basis? Do letters to the editor not fulfill any such responsibility? Does any news magazine have the responsibility to give to anyone who disagrees with any point of any article the platform to respond?
7beers 1 month ago
If i was ever called a name as a child i would simply shrug it off and carry on, Muslims get called a name and all of a sudden people start dying, court battles the rest of it, they are clearly being childish about the whole thing, to say they put themselves in this situation, they were not forced to move to Europe and America in the first place.
BrandysiPodTips 1 month ago
The three complainants all looks like children telling their dad their brother teased them xD
But anyways I understand why M.Steyn shows up, else they would just have had another argument against him but i think M.Steyn jut should let them shout as loud as they want to, cuz people aren't stupid, they see how stupid these complaints are. And everyone sees how childish they are behaving anyway. And it's said like this: The truth is silent, and the lie is yelling.
MyJonas92 1 month ago
White people can't fight with al Qaeda small group less then 5 thousand are killing all the USA military 11 years you are fighting with Osama bin Ladan so how are u gonna fight with 1.5 billion Muslims. White people please leave islam alone . White people ya know what happened to the romans. Muslim destroyed the Romans
AHMEDBULAXUBEY 2 months ago
@AHMEDBULAXUBEY they are the only race that was able to take over the whole world in the past, even if it was a short time. No one race was able to do what they have done. They excel in everything from technology to building of modern civilizations. Go to school so you can learn your history.
Himapke 2 months ago
@AHMEDBULAXUBEY All western militaries fight with their hands behind their backs to give poor a fighting chance, they agreed to this in the Geneva convention, otherwise they could have dropped a few nuclear bombs without even setting foot into the country. You can look at Japan in WW2. My best advice for you is to get educated
Himapke 2 months ago
The host is such a hottie!
rockyqw12 2 months ago
Only thing Muslims are good at is complaining, if there is not a bunch of Muslim fascists in the media complaining about 'Islamiphobia' then i think there's something wrong.
BrandysiPodTips 2 months ago
@BrandysiPodTips Maybe a little bit harsh now. But yeah, especially here in Europe the state has specialized muslims and and minorities on how to be pacifists. And whenever something happens that the muslims or minorities don't like, they complain on how little they get to participate. And the result of this (when the mainstream media always take poor mens site) is that everyone who wants to say something has to take in to account that they're most likely to be called racist or islamophobic..
MyJonas92 1 month ago
Oh and BTW, @2:50 there is NO ONUS AT ALL on Maclean's to do what you want them to do, it is a magazine in a country with free press, and they publish what they want.
SullivanChannel 2 months ago 2
@SullivanChannel Well said.
DesBlackmore 2 months ago
One must question a man or a womans judgement when they give credibility to a raping , murdering , theiving pedophile who pretended to be a prophet of God .
LuluRosenkrantz 2 months ago
These Muslim idiots got dominated. Way to get embarrassed on television, douchebags.
Bunch of self-entitled pricks. Those people are NOT Canadians.
JaysCyYoung1 2 months ago 12
bottom line. muslims and western idealogy dont mix
gotherealex 2 months ago 4
whinge whinge whinge.. isn't this multicultralism at its very best. minority interest groups chipping away at the concept of (westerners only, mind you) freedom of expression. i bet these western educated pakistanis don't spend half as much time attacking islamofascists as they should. so big up mark steyn, a man who has drawn the line as should all right minded westerners. its time to despise the political correctness philosophy for what it is.. a political and cultural suicide.
atlantichouse 3 months ago
@atlantichouse Funding our own funnerals
Kutcher1991 3 months ago
Lets get one thing straight. Islam(and many other religions) is hateful and phobic. What they love to use as arguments, is what they themselves are tought by most imams around the world.
Religion is full of hate usually.
Anyone who obey these religions, especially Islam, is shaped the way the religious leaders will teach.
Islam is by FAR the biggest threat to western society. And its going the wrong way so far. Lets hope for a bright, anti-islamic future.
rajmando1 3 months ago
Thats why i hate Islam. The muslims always seem to get to some kind of clash, with points. I listen usually a lot to them, but they always lose in the end. Islam, I think, is the reason why. Its a strange and perverted religion. Their personality, reflect their religious and cultural background.
I can see the same in Jews. Lets not be 100% anti-muslim. Many comparisons can be made. That old religion(Islam) is whats wrong, and will destroy the world if not fought back.
rajmando1 3 months ago
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@rajmando1 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before." from the Quran
Kutcher1991 3 months ago
solution: Outlaw religion, done!
ccheng21 3 months ago 2
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Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”
Qur’an 8:7 ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last."
Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Religion of Peace ? Yeah, right!
It's rational to fear/dislike muslims.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
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l3lip 4 months ago
What I find quite unsettling about the three Muslims on the panel is that they refuse to quote anything of Mr. Steyn's work, in spite of their claims. e.g. 5:06: "What Mr. Steyn commonly does in his writing...", 5:30: "In which he essentially takes the Italian equivalent..."
Okay, if Mr. Steyn "commonly does this" or "essentially does that", why not quote him...?
I don't know much about Mr. Steyn, but I think it's patently obvious who's being honest and who's being disingenuous in this debate.
l3lip 4 months ago
@l3lip check 6:10
wingzrule6693 3 months ago
@wingzrule6693
Erm, that's a quote that Mark quoted; his commentary comes after.
That's the entire point -- they can't *honestly* quote him in front of Mark because he knows his work better than anybody.
l3lip 3 months ago
All the muslims on the panel are just dismal, the bimbo on the left is the annoying. Actually they are all annoying and dangerous as a representation of the so called "moderate" islam.
orbital92hotmail 4 months ago
how stupid is this show
wherever they go they ask for freedom of speech
and they get it to defend a terrorist religion
can any canadian discuss his issues about islam in any of arabic muslims magazines or tvs ?
did you forget how the muslims reacted against the cartoon issue in denmark ??
a whole christian street was devasted in Lebanon and many shops were robbed that day !! and nobody could stop them asit happened in many other countries
caro2486 4 months ago
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caro2486 4 months ago
they spoke for more than 15 minutes and they interfer in the time he is allowed to speak in
in islam jihad has 2 faces : either you do it physically in killing and threatening people to convet or by supporting jihadi groups with money
there is no third choice
anyone here can try it and ask a mulsim about it with the pesence of a sheikh
because this will cost him his life if he denies it
caro2486 4 months ago
1:53 the three of them look so screwed right there.. Like they just got caught with their hand in a cookie jar.
daPlumber702 4 months ago
What a bunch of fucking crybabies. Fucking hell!
SicSeb 4 months ago
great host.
JPVeigaaaa 4 months ago
Boy oh boy, don't hire a lawyer from Osgoode Hall if your case is important.
bcfsl 4 months ago 12
HAHAHAHA...point taken
kolaverydii 1 week ago
having your voice heard and having it heard that you have a voice to be heard are not the same thing.
FreethinkingFun 4 months ago
Mark Steyn is always civil.
jkovert 4 months ago
I find it extremely hypocritical for these well dressed articulate NON muslim conforming individuals to try to make a case for Islam! Non of these individuals from where I am sitting, seem to be subjected to the true Sharia laws that are embraced by the Orthodoxed Muslim community. UNLESS, the typical practice of deceit, in order to convince the enemy they are friendly, is being implemented here. Because none of these 3 individuals would survive in a true Islamic society.
rsanch8695 5 months ago
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Seriously, who wants to go toe to toe with the Steynser?
codownni 5 months ago
Hey Muslims! If you want people not to write negatively about you and not fear you behave yourself in a civilized manner and stop raking havoc over a few articles and a bunch of cartoons and reign in your murderer fanatics then nobody have any good reason to write anything negative about you! Taking people to court is not going to show how maligned and discriminated against you are, but will prove everyone's suspicion that you are no friend of freedom and democracy and deserved al the maligning!
ritamalik 5 months ago 2
Muslims have NO sense of humor, NO appreciation for satire, NO appreciation for true tolerance NO respect for freedom of speech and NO love for democracy. They just pay lip service to these notions and try to misuse them when ever it suits their agenda, but God forbid if non-Muslims want to use their freedoms if it offends these thin-skinned people! And the fact that these seemingly modern and western looking muslims are paddling the same crap as bearded Imams should alarm us all!
ritamalik 5 months ago 2
LOL - No I think Mark is praying to Jesus that these guys don't keep making him look stupid ;)
massers 5 months ago
@massers these airheads are making him look stupid? the host - non-lawyer - can articulate arguments better than the Osgoode lawyers...
PortugueseGina1 4 months ago
er...is the muslim guy praying to allah that he'll strike Mark down?? 7:55
Jim1905 5 months ago
Why do you think they want to control? How insecure are you? You don't need to be controlled mate. Be strong, don't let people push you around. And no, the way to do that isn't to bash somebodies families, culture, heritage etc and make sweeping hurtful statements. Its to be yourself and live your life. Now why that normal living of your life involves bashing of muslims is a bit sad no? what do you think? only terrorists or extremists spend so much time bashing others.
massers 5 months ago
Not only they dont want to adapt or integrate but they want to control. As simple as that, lets wake up people.
cineasta71 5 months ago
@cineasta71 I dont think they want to control you mate. They're trying to integrate but how do you expect them to with such narrow-mindedness as you're displaying in your comment. I doubt they want to control you, and hey, if you feel threatened of being controlled by someone else, just toughen up, say no and look the other way, I'm sure your mom and dad taught you that, really no need to be so insecure about something that is clearly just present in your head. they're normal people. sigh.
massers 5 months ago
@massers Why would compare what you call insecurity with facts and history? Its beyond me. It's not only in my head for those of us who live in a first world country like Europe or Canada. But if you live in an island well you have little worries but these "people" will never go to Bermuda because there's nothing to do in Bermuda, just relax. So maybe you will be able to understand what i am saying may be you should be hunting blondies in the beach instead of burping online.
cineasta71 5 months ago
@cineasta71 My ancestral heritage and non-bigoted family ties (unlike yours I guess) are from Bermuda, but I have lived as a dual citizen in both the US and UK for the past 20 years as a highly active and high tax-paying individual. So I think my understanding of your skewed and delusional vision of the first world is probably more accurate than yours. And, if you read my comments across these messages, every single one is supported by fact, unlike yours unfortunately. Yours are truly emotional
massers 5 months ago
@massers "My ancestral heritage and non-bigoted family ties (unlike yours I guess)" You see you are guessing and assuming, first sign of a maniac leftie who checks into videos from Mark Steyn, hahahaha....I have read your pitiful comments, difference is that i don't assume or guess. Facts are there but because you live in a cocacola fantasy world you are unaware, but once the will get you in the ass itll be a bit late for ya...
cineasta71 5 months ago
@cineasta71 Well I was making an educated guess about your background but you could always prove me wrong. I checked in to Mark Steyn's videos because I was sent a link by supporters of the 3 law students, a link sent by a non-Muslim white Christian progressive individual by the way. I'm not sure why you would think my facts are from a coca cola fantasy world because each of them is verified by the sources of information that majority of educated people would use. I guess you dont use them.
massers 5 months ago
@massers christian extremist burn qurans. muslim extremist blow people up. answer me why do people attack christianity more?
MrKingvanilla83 5 months ago
@MrKingvanilla83 I accept that some Muslim extremists are terrorists and blow people up, but surely you can't generalize that about over 1 billion people? And wont you accept that Muslim countries suffer more from these same terrorists? Pakistan has had over 30,000 innocent people killed since the war on terror. And also mate, fair enough, christian extremists may burn the Quran and that is there way of being pathetic, but, what about Breivik, and the Evangelical suicide cults in Ohio etc. ?
massers 5 months ago
@MrKingvanilla83 I dont think they attack christianity mate. Muslim countries suffer way more from terrorism. Innocent children and women. And we're trying to fight this and its hard. And come on, are you really saying you don't have psychopaths in the West, paedophiles, child molestors, rapists, murderers, serial killers - ok you can say "oh they're just mad" but isn't it fair to assume that terrorists are also "mad" ... its all about perspective mate.
massers 5 months ago
@massers my bad i guess i shoulda specified. i ment christianity gets attacked more by the mainstream media and hollywood. and yes their are some christians that are bad. we call them catholics lol every group has some bad apples. i use to have a muslim friend. he was really cool and nice but i still think that muslims as a whole are an evil people and an evil religion. and unless those moderate muslims decide to standup and fight against them, then im always gonna think that.
MrKingvanilla83 5 months ago
@MrKingvanilla83 I think you're confusing terrorism and religion. Islam is a direct descendant of Christianity and Judaism. The monotheistic fabric is continuously cross-referenced and all respected scholars of Christianity and Judaism accept that. So your tag of evil surely applies to the monotheistic tradition then? But, if you are referring to extremists, then yes, ofcourse we as Muslims should fight them, as we should fight Christian extremists. There should be no room for hatred.
massers 5 months ago
@massers no doubt i think we should fight all extremist. but what i ment was like what rosie odonell said " christians are more of a danger to us then terrorist" something along those lines. and the aclu wouldnt let a man in my area fly a christian flag but they said it was okay to fly a muslim one. its the same thing as the black people getting their own network is okay but if they make a commercial with all whites then its racist. seems to me to be a little unfair
MrKingvanilla83 5 months ago
It is interesting that he doesn't object or deny the bit about the concentration camps and ethnic cleansing written by the man from the Islamic council. Shouldn't they be put off or at least say they don't agree with that. Also tolerance doesn't mean having to like people. Many Muslims don't seem to be be tolerant of others.
NJburbsSeeker 5 months ago
@Boodle545 They are also the two greatest minds in America.
BookofJim 5 months ago
Both these idiot parties are completely pointless, scared and over all foolish. Nonsensical.
Soulcrusher105 5 months ago
Kick these sandapes back to seventh century!!!
m5rule 6 months ago
@m5rule These comments are full of racist bigots like you. Racist, hate spreading insecure and paranoid losers. shame on you.
massers 5 months ago
7:53 is the bald guy having a stroke?
MrBrational 6 months ago
@MrBrational
I know! I was like...what the heck?
It looks like rage is building up in him....Scary man.
MultiTania7 6 months ago
@MrBrational That's his mental illness showing right there. He's probably barely containing the urge to cut off Steyn's head while screaming ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
silveryt2 5 months ago in playlist steyn vs. muslim critics 2
@silveryt2 Haha, I got home last night and read this comment. I laughed pretty hard .
MrBrational 5 months ago
@MrBrational haha. No, I think its called intelligent debate and convincing arguments. I guess it blows your mind and confuses you so it looks like something you've never seen before, possibly unnatural, hence your visualizing it as a stroke. hahahah .. :p
massers 5 months ago
@massers oh brother, i don't think you see what we were talking about. Skip forward to 7 minutes and 53 seconds. The bald guy is tweekin out.
MrBrational 5 months ago
@MrBrational haha, ok fair enough, 7.53 is quite weird. I have nothing to say in defense of that. : / a lot of tweekin there
massers 5 months ago
islam is illness
TheKomando007 6 months ago
Breivik is RIGHT!
i hope something similar happens in canada. liberals are retarded
xardas411 6 months ago
Muslims are the very model for double standards in the world. They senser and demand all these special rights and privledges and don't want to have open dialogue about terrorism and use the racist card to combat facts that while not all Muslims are terrorists, % 99 of terrorists or Muslim. Don't call my religion violent or I will kill you !!!
e4point 6 months ago
This islamic idiot is the real terrorist- funded by a terrorist organization- a front group for Hamas called CAIR. This particular terrorist is engaging in what is called "lawfare." He is suing in order to silence. Islam can not thrive where there is freedom of speech and where the marketplace of ideas is left unregulated. Islam requires silence and submission. That bald terrorist needs to be hung.
wppw123 6 months ago
Why are you afraid of muslims? Dont we not breath air? Are we not humans? Am I not able to practice my religion without being discriminated? or not have fear if I say i'm muslim. By these anti islamic comments you hate what you don't understand isn't that ignorance? Did you hear MLK speach for freedom ? or was death and fight was all in vain
blazed101 6 months ago
I wish I had the education, the four of you have.
A1machining 7 months ago
I belive it is harder for three people to talk to one, then it is for one to talk to three.
I would think it would have been more fair if each had their own couple, minutes
and it would have made things clearer, on the future for us to all get along
and, have a plan as to what is needed...It is very important to respect each other,
I must retract the we, we comment. sorry to both sides..The four of you did a good job for what its worth..
A1machining 7 months ago
One man stands alone aganist a whole group of muslims, that say we,we,we, and do
not take action as individuals but as a group, do you see the point, even here 3 against 1 this is emberressing! We are all individuals, stop falling in and out of the Muslim group, and saying it wasnt me or our muslim group it was that Muslim group. Next breath the person talking that is Muslim says we,we,we,we,we, think we should be able to,,,,,,,,,,,,,we,we,we, it sounds like crying.....to go to the washroom.
A1machining 7 months ago
7:53 Look at the guy...what...what is he doing...
STARSandBARS1994 7 months ago 6
@STARSandBARS1994 Lmao!
NottinghamForest22 7 months ago
@STARSandBARS1994 He's trying to hold back from screaming Allah Akbar and cutting off Steyn's head.
MrBrational 3 months ago
Steyn is a crack pot alarmist! Has he ever been to Dearborn Michigan? There are thousands of Muslims there and no problems ! NONE!
EFISHANT 7 months ago
@EFISHANT hahahaha, there are thousands of videos showing the problems in Deadborn caused by Muslims, do you live under a rock?
Bad example, bad example.
TXHalabi 7 months ago 2
@EFISHANT Dearborn is the worst example considering your statement. Are you sure that planet Earth is what you reffer to? FAIL. And it's a demonstrable fact, you do the research.
abbielayla 7 months ago
Independent responsibility? No they don't. Articles can say whatever it is that they say. These damn Muslims are trying to control what is said about Islam. Too bad. Stop whining.
liliodine 7 months ago
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These people are part of a religion, and they KNOW they are part of a religion, which will attempt to kill them if they leave it. Death for apostasy in Islam is mandatory - fact.
The women are part of a religion, and they KNOW they are part of a religion, which will attempt to kill them if they exhibit any sexual or even social autonomy - there are thousands upon thousands of so-called "honour killings" every year.
Now - give these rock solid facts I have two more words to say - Go. Figure.
IslamicFarming1 7 months ago
Typical of the lamestream media. One sensible conservative against three radical wacked out hard core leftist freaks. In this case, terribly unfair. Mark Steyn, armed with something called "fact" and another called "knowledge", had a huge advantage over the other three wackos.
eimb1999 7 months ago 6
All europeans in all of our nations need to unite now! against the take over of our countries!
KumarZimmerman08 7 months ago 4
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it's just sounds like normal left-wing rhetoric: be tolerant of everything, and don't ask why, or we will fucking destroy you. yessss take us back to the gulags
atrumdecretum 8 months ago
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atrumdecretum 8 months ago
oriana fallaci a woman that stood up against all sort of dictatorships,the resistance fighter against nazi and fascists, of leftist background, that the love of her life was a man ,twice condemned to death for attempting to kill the fascist leader of greek junta,the war corresponded against imperialist wars, oriana falacci the awarded jurnalist will be now dragged through the mud by these apologists of islamofascism that want to sensor
the whole society by waving the islamophobia accusation.
AmetReloads 8 months ago 2
ALL POINTS THOUGHT THROUGH......VERDICT MARK STEYN : STUDENTS (or whatever they are) 0
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ellajitka 8 months ago 2
Oriana Fallaci, rest in peace. Is a hero in Europe. Those muslims don't know what freedom of speech is.
SicSeb 8 months ago 6
Mark Steyn, it's easy to figure out he's a zionist, no matter how much his ancestors tried to mix in with white people.
NEOGEO1966 8 months ago
this whole entire debate proves that these people cant and more importantly DONT WANT to integrate. they want to retain their Muslim roots/identity and be separate from the majority while reaping the economic benefits while living in Canada.
suchafool990 9 months ago 50
@suchafool990
Absolutely Correct! You have just described the modus Opper. of the entire islamic culture war. They take pride in looking down on the kaffir, and refuse to stop their agenda of exceptionalism.
foamulator 9 months ago
@suchafool990 LOL Canada is sending it's troops the illegal wars of Iraq (no WMD's) and Afghanistan (no enquiry into 9/11 was allowed by Colin Powell)
NEOGEO1966 8 months ago
@suchafool990 Ofcourse they want to integrate. What is wrong with you? Are you thick? that is exactly what they're asking for. They want to integrate and be treated fairly. You really disagree with that? How sad and lacking in tolerance is that? shame on you
massers 5 months ago
@suchafool990 I disagree with your views completely because a vast, overwhelming majority of muslims want to completely integrate in all societies, just like most minorities in all countries across the world. it is a few bad seeds like muslim or christian extremists who ruin the debate on both sides. dont get swayed so easily by popular propaganda against a whole group of people. it is unfair and intolerant. we dont try and call all americans gun-toting serial killers or gangsters
massers 5 months ago
@suchafool990 And that is precisely why they, and anyone else who does not want to integrate into their majority culture should be denied citizenship and be put on work/student residence permits only. And those who cause problems or overstay their welcome should be deported.
This is what Muslim countries do...
Hereticalable 5 months ago
@suchafool990 These Muslims are well educated lawyers. Its the economy that will benefit from these hard working students.
What is ur definition of integration ? If its Muslim women having to wear mini-skirts and skin tight clothes, muslim men watching pornography and ice hockey violence just to fit in, then no they WONT integrate that way.
TimeGod12 4 months ago
@TimeGod12 Didn't Osama have a stash of porn? And if you're a Muslim with internet access, I don't think Western culsture is the integration you need to see porn. No...porn is a mouse click away. So this culture argument is invalid.
IllWillForYou 4 months ago
@IllWillForYou Just because american media says that he saw porn does not mean its true. USA media also said iraq has WMDs. Was that true ?
In Canadian high schools, minority children have to do alot of stupid things IF they want to make friends with canadian born. Thats y u see chinese kids hanging out with chinese kids and korean kids with koreans.
My argument is based on facts and real life incidents.
TimeGod12 4 months ago
@TimeGod12 Actually the American media parroted what the administration at the time said. There were many in the media that said there were no WMD. But people chose to believe what they want to believe.
Just like you're choosing to believe that Osama was some pious cleric demonized by the big bad American media. When point of fact he was an abusive, hypocrite who engaged in behaviors that his supposed religion abhors. I believe one of Osama's Somalia girlfriends wrote a book about him.
IllWillForYou 4 months ago
@suchafool990 the bottom line is that even in 'moderate' version, islam has an undeniable authoritarian streak, just like marxism or various forms of fascism. i still haven't seen a single muslim liberal democracy, and frankly i wouldn't live in any muslim country. i don't see how islam and western-style, liberal democracy can truly be compatible. oh, moderates even won't execute gays, they say. really? that's good. does that make the moderates our brothers in spirit? i don't bloody think so.
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@suchafool990 the bottom line is that even in 'moderate' version, islam has an undeniable authoritarian streak, just like marxism or various forms of fascism. i still haven't seen a single muslim liberal democracy, and frankly i wouldn't live in any muslim country. i don't see how islam and western-style, liberal democracy can truly be compatible. oh, moderates even won't execute gays, they say. really? that's good. does that make the moderates our brothers in spirit? i don't bloody think so.
topperheartramada 4 months ago
It's not fair to them cause they can't control the dialouge and they lose... also the man does most of the talking, kinda suspicious
20MrBigmac 9 months ago
This is how a conversation with any muslim "like" people talk, etc by going around in circles and attacking ! No responsibilty for anything ! And I'm suposed to think they are intelligent ! NUTS ! By the way three to one is about right for them to speak-
lybo5646b 9 months ago 2
@lybo5646b LOL look at missionaries and bible bashers, they go around in groups of 3's and 4's, heck some just knocked on my door just now asking if I wanted to hear some "good news"
The fact is we are rubbish at debating with muslims, they seem to have all corners covered. Their books are far superior in terms of putting their point across, in a plain simple manner that is logical within it's context.
We could learn lots from muslims.
this is a good website,
Inspired By Muhammad Dot Com
NEOGEO1966 8 months ago
This is how a conversation with any muslim "like" people talk, etc by going around in circles and attacking ! No responsibilty for anything ! And I'm suposed to think they are intelligent ! NUTS !
lybo5646b 9 months ago
I tend to be more level-headed when I'm desecrating korans and peeing on halal food supplies. :D
sirius1188k 9 months ago
@soverysneaky Sorry, maybe I get carried away sometimes when I'm insulting islam, muslims, allah,and the "prophet" Muhammed.
sirius1188k 9 months ago
@soverysneaky Yes, muslims sold and continue to sell etc, but you are missing the principle. Muslims are pirates by nature (or by principle) and they will always trade in slaves until they are all dead.
sirius1188k 9 months ago
@sirius1188k I agree with what you say (except for that part about me missing the principle). I do like you analogy between Muslims and pirates. It is accurate.
soverysneaky 9 months ago
Fuckin idiot! XD
sirius1188k 9 months ago
@ NEOGEO1966 muslims did not steal the wealth from India because sikhs and hindus decided that they were unworthy. LOL!
But it wasn't for a lack of trying.
sirius1188k 9 months ago
LMAO!!! The hymen breaks, it ruins the evening! So much funnier when a "muslim" says it!!!
@NEOGEO1966 please reply to this comment. I can hardly wait to tear you apart verbally. Limb from limb. May I call you Osama, Mr bin Laden?
sirius1188k 9 months ago
canadian rednecks owned!!
ufster81 10 months ago
negeo1966: Instead of telling me what bad things the Muslims did not do (which is ludicrous - I'm a great person because I didn't murder anyone) why don't you admit that in history they have been a very murderous bunch and they continue to terrorize the world today!
leonkushner 10 months ago
@leonkushner This is the trouble. It's easy to try to distract people from the facts about Islam by trying to change the angle of debate and quote Bible references. The fact is, all religions are bad, but Islam is by far the worst.
DancinJim 10 months ago
Why are Conservatives who call themselves "All American" worried so much about a country that is not even America
i.e. Israel????
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 Israel is an ally, that's why. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to get attention?
soverysneaky 9 months ago
@NEOGEO1966
because they share the same values as said country.
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NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
islam is filth, erradicate it
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NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
For more on the 'religion of peace' google this: thereligionofpeace
leonkushner 10 months ago
mark steyn is a racist and bigot!
antmlova1 10 months ago
@antmlova1 He is speaking about a religion. How does that prompt you to call him a racist?
soverysneaky 9 months ago
I feel like I was watching one giant kick around three mental midgets...
dillonfreed 10 months ago
I am also very familiar with common muslm tactics.They always sidetrack the interlocutor and start to accuse Christianity of sth it has never comitted. The crimes comitted by west were not motivated by Bible,but islam comits crimes in the name of its books.
Despite, I wish you all the best and I ll pray for you that you realize one day the crimes of islam and come to the Heavenly Father our God and his Son Yeshua Christos.
MrILoveYeshua 10 months ago
its seems that you NEOGEO are completely brainwashed by the muslim teaching, whereever u acquired it. They (muslim media and imams at mosques) are just poisoning you to make u to submit islam. The west is offering you freedom form any compulsion. If u want to be saved after your body dies, u need to believe in Yeshua who took all our sins upon himself. Why is Yeshua so special to God, because he is the only begotten Son of God and has as the only one the right to take all our sins upon himself.
MrILoveYeshua 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua Why does God need a son???
Why did Jesus*, if he was God, pray to God??? Surely God does not need to pray to himself???????
Why is Jesus* shown as white??????
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua Does the Bible order its followers to inherit the slaves and their children?
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua
Let us look at Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
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NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua - Our sins upon himself???? So one soul is accountable for the sins of everyone???
So we can commit sin and live a selfish life, and commit murder, rape, robbery and we will be forgiven????
This- together with other reasons makes Christianity seem a foggy definition of life. No wonder people convert to Islam.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua - Cut Off Her Hand!
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua - Female Births Get Penalty
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua - Jesus Will Kill Children
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua - Rape The Daughter
"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 You can quote references from other religious texts until you're blue in the face, but only in Islam do you have moderate, everyday practitioners of their faith, who always fail to condemn anything the Qu'Ran says. All other world religions tend to condemn the violent verses of their texts now. Only Islam does not allow this.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim - Verses of the Quran are taken out on context.
Major media outlets, most are owned by corporations owned by banks who have an interest in gainin oil, gas, gold, gems, minerals from Muslim nations push their agendas, and will try to justify why these so called "evil" muslims people and their lands need to be taken over.
It's mind control on a massive scale.
Let us see the facts, we support Israel's genocidal concensus against Muslims, NO WMD's in Iraq,no investagion into 9/11
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 But this conspiracy theory doesn't actually disprove my point, which is that Islam is the only religion where even its moderate practitioners refuse to condemn violent and hateful passages of its holy text. Ask a moderate Christian to condemn violent parts of the Bible and they will. Ask a moderate Muslim to condemn violent parts of the Qur'an and they will not, for fear of repercussions. I've seen many debates where a Muslim has a chance to denounce those hateful parts- they refuse.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim Since you are a Christian, how do you feel about your faith being changed to the point that you can no longer recognise its true message?
Again I make this point clear, money is the root cause why gayness is accepted in most Christian churches (including the Vatican) The “Pink Market” generates $billions per annum.
Just as the King James Bible included “one man’s rule over another” to justify lucrative slavery and oppression of black people.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 I am not a Christian. I am, thankfully, entirely uninitiated into any religion. But I will address your point, as it actually proves something that I want to prove - the fact you say how do I feel about a faith being changed to the point that I "can no longer recognise its true message?" is very telling - that you concede the TRUE message is the original one. This means that you then concede that the TRUE meaning of the Qur'an is the original, hateful, violent and bloodthirsty one.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 Also, the 'Pink Market', is just a fanciful idea of yours I'm afraid! Homosexuality in any church was not even tolerated until recentl, let alone accepted/encouraged! The only reason Islam has not followed suit is because Islamic nations have not even modernised enough to treat women fairly, let alone homosexuals. The West has clearly developed more quickly in terms of becoming a civilised society over the years and Islamic countries are still trying to catch up.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim Changing something or denouncing the original message is the first sign that the message is no longer true.
The Bible has been changed so much, which is the original Bible, Good News, Kings James, Greek Orthodox?
Just because things have changed in the Bible does it mean it is right?? Secularism has influenced Christianinty, and even influenced your views.
There is only one version of the Quran, and that has not been changed. Islam therefore is purer in it's message.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 Not at all. Disregarding violent passages from a text is simply acknowledging that violence and hatred of others in the name of religion, race, or anything, is unacceptable. Plain and simple. It does not mean the religion is any less reputable than any other. If you want to nitpick, then sure, Islam is consistent in its message... However, being consistent in message is not a positive, when its message is one of hatred, violence and intolerance. This is the message the Qur'an sends.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim - The fact is Muslims adhere to the teachings of Christianity, than the vast majority of Christians.
Let's look at this.
• Muslims believe in Jesus* as a Prophet of God.
• Muslims believe in the Gospels
• Muslims believe in the Psalms
• Muslims believe in the Bible
• Muslims believe in the Torah
• Muslims believe in the 10 Commandments
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 The information you give is not accurate, nor does it change the fact that the Prophet Muhammed took a 9 year old bride and raped her, beheaded men, women and children, raped women, waged war on non-believers and non-Muslim countries; or that Islam is the most intolerant religion towards women and homosexuals, and that its holy book preaches violence and hate. Nor does it change the fact that all religions are fictions, but Islam just happens to be the nastiest of those fictions.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim • Muslims believe in Judgement Day
• Muslims believe in Jesus* returning to Earth
• Muslims believe in the Angels (inc Gabriel & Michael)
• Muslims believe in The Prophet Muhammad* as the last Prophet
• Muslims believe in the Quran as the Final Testament
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
Why Muslims Believe Jesus (pbuh) Is Not The Son of God
Reasons why...
Jesus* prayed to God - If Jesus* is God, why would God pray to himself???
Jesus* had a Mother - God does not need a Mother or Father.
Why does God need a son?
God is 1 - not 3 (Father, Son and holy ghost.)
Jesus* brought God's message to the children of Israel, not for the whole of humanity. That's why even now you have huge segregation between black and white churches, catholic-protestant wars ect.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 This is not relevant to what I am saying though. Attempting to prove that Christianity is 'wrong' and Islam is 'right' means nothing to me, as I am not religious and know that all religion is nothing but a superstition to make people feel less scared of dying and ceasing to exist for all eternity.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim Muslims adhere more to Christian teaching than the vast majority of Christians.
The example of the White, blond haired blue eyes Jesus* was designed to make black people and other non whites feel inferior, this was also used to justify slavery and one mans rule over another.
And we all know how much money slavery made for the USA (they has a civil war over it!) the UK and Europe.
Muslims bought slaves to free slaves.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@DancinJim We love to hate immigrants, but immigrants are too poor and too hungry to come here and even think about "taking over" the USA, The Fact is the great great grandparents of Latin folk, were native americans, and we go around sticking our nose in South American affairs, Why? Due to the money we make from their resources, Timber, Oil, Gas, Nickel, Tin.
We use South American resources, people, labour force to build and export our brands, so we can survive in this global recession.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 No we don't. Infact, it's clearly the opposite in all my experiences. Society is full of liberal types who are all for immigrants. In the UK, if you speak out against even a section of immigrants for something they have done wrong, you are immediately jumped upon and labelled a 'racist'. The mainstream tend to support the minority. So the idea that all of Western society is against immigrants is simply not true. Even if it is where you live, it doesn't make it true for all the West.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 Also, I don't think it's as easy as saying it's all about money. For your claims to be true, for example major media being controlled by banks, this major media has to be influencing and 'mind controlling' the masses. This simply isn't the case in Britain, where it is still only a minority of people who are speaking out against Islam. The majority seem to have been poisoned by liberal conditioning, which really spread during the last ten+ years. So I don't see how this can be true.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim - American media is totally different, money talks in America, and banks own corporations which own media outlets in America, American news is watched by more people, and has more of a global reach.
You can deny what you think is wrong but let us look at an example. Fox News - Corporate not independent
Sky News- Corporate- not independent (Rupert Murdoch controlled) CNN - Corporate - Ted Turner's original concept of independent news bought out by Time Warner.
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 America is not the World. Nor is it even the West. Europe is a huge part of the West, and Britain, although a small nation in terms of physical size, is a large power when it comes to world politics. So, it's impossible to claim the entire West is in this huge conspiracy theory, when the media in my country is not having the effect on people you claim it should be. America is very lucky that people have the ability to speak out on these issues without being labeled a racist.
DancinJim 10 months ago
@DancinJim Liberalism has done more good than right wing conservatism.
Although there are some things I too queestion about Liberalism i.e. Gay marriage, I can say,
Liberalism built FREE healthcare in Europe
Liberalism built bridges and understanding between people who would otherwise not speak
Liberalism built balanced education
Liberalism helped Women's to achieve greater rights in the USA and UK
Liberalism keeps an eye on the few (Bankers) who prey off the many (your pensions)
NEOGEO1966 10 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 Liberalism has done nothing but hinder true progress over the years. Liberals are simply going over the top and taking their values too far. You have Liberals to thank for Political Correctness and for not being able to speak openly about race and religion. You have Liberals to thank for double-standards, showing bias towards ethnic minorities over whites. Liberalism had its uses when the West was racist, but now it is actually more biased towards minorities we don't need it at all.
DancinJim 10 months ago