I am not a pilot, and hope this is not a stupid question. Are you allowed to use autopilot to bring you down to minimums on ILS approaches? I thought you had to fly to minimums without autopilot.
congratulations on the approach, job well done. even after the inner marker you stayed on the glideslope and localizer. did u go 100 below minimums because of the ALS or did you call runway in sight at minimums?
I had the ALS right at and then the runway about 2 seconds after minimums. Since the video was shot from the back seat it's hard to appreciate what we could see from up front.
Hey, looked like a great job...but, minimums at 300 feet?? That, in a C-172 seems way low; am I wrong? Man, that seems so low, even for a "precision approach". Maybe down to , say, 400 or 500 feet. But, there just seems that there is now way an instructor would allow his student to "bust minimums". So, all you IFR qualified 172 drivers...is the 300 feet correct?
If I recall correctly, the METAR when we were shooting the approach was saying it was at minimums for the approach, which was a 200 foot ceiling and 3/4 mile visibility (the visibility may have been more, I don't recall). No FARs were busted for this approach. The minimums for an approach are dictated by those on the approach plate and the speed at which you fly the approach. A C-172 (and most general aviation aircraft) fly slow enough to fall in Category A, the lowest available.
Congratulations! I can't wait until I finish my IFR training. Great approach. I just flew my first ILS last week, and for those of you that have never flown one, it looks easier than it is.
That's some pretty ordinary weather. Is there a requirement for for the METAR or other report to be above a certain minima before commencing an approach? I'm not familiar with FARs as im in Australia, but our regulations only descibe an alternate minima for fuel planning. An approach may be commenced with 0 ceiling and vis as long as no minimums are broken. wether or not it will be successful.....
You can always take a look no matter what is reported, but you can not descend below the DA (precision approach) or MDA (non-precision approach) without the runway environment in sight. Once in site you can not perform any unusual maneuvers to make the runway e.g. dive to the runway. That is my understanding of it.. I am summarizing and there is more to it, but that is the basics.
Hey , thanks for the information. As a non IFR rated pilot, I really did get that whole situation wrong...that's why you are IFR rated and I'm not!! I'll just keep "driving" around in the daylight. thanks, m. donavon
Just always make sure you're ready to go missed in a situation like this. I haven't shot an approach to completion at minimums but I have gotten to 200ft with OVC002 1SM being reported and saw nothing, nada, no lights no nothing. So "minimums" being reported on ATIS is a crapshoot maybe that 200ft is really 150ft maybe it's 250ft makes a big difference! ;-) Chris - PP-ASEL/IA.
Best kinda training one can get. I had an instructor who did the same and took me to ILS minimums and first time out 500 foot ceilings were a walk in the park. Great landing too!
What about GPS approved for IFR and GPS approaches.. you need IFR GPS training too.. wouldn't want to be stuck trying to do an GPS approach and never used the GPS before.
The DH for the approach is 200, which is what the ATIS was broadcasting when we came down. All I know is that when the DME showed 1.1 and I transitioned from instruments to visual, the approach lights were right where they were supposed to be. ;-)
You flew that approach well then! I remember my first ILS approaches, under the hood, were 1 radial, either to the left or right at some times. Right now I got it all under my knee, its just important that you keep your eyes on the instruments, and not pannick.
Also DH isnt given in the ATIS, its givin in the charts, maybe sometimes they also give it in ATIS, could be!
Great Video & a Great job. Broke out at minimums, right on the localizer, Landed on the centerline with the stall horn blaring. Perfect approach & landing as far as I could tell.
Was your right-seat passenger surprised by the marker beacon? It looked like it startled him.
The beeping is actually the GPS giving an audible warning that we're going below 300' AGL, and the guy in the right seat was my instructor. He was looking for any signs of the runway environment. ;-)
I'm a CFII and just did my first approach to mins into FTY. 1 SM vis and overcast 300. I broke out and didn't see the lights till mins. Awesome experience but I was too busy flying to record it. :D
Absolutely perfect! Excellent approach and great landing. I applaud. I still haven't had the pleasure of having a hard IFR approach to minimums.. only to about 500 above min's.
Top job on a nasty IFR DAY!
BH195829 1 month ago
Talk about coming out of the murk. That's where you really earn your wings as a pilot.
Nonsenseatbay 2 months ago
Nicely done!
herbalnedtv 2 months ago
Wow! Seriously in the soup! Nice job.
mjkobb 6 months ago
you greased the landing...the best landings always come from a good stable approach...nice
mmerlet150 6 months ago
Just curious, what is "hard IFR"? I know, I know........looks like you have an anxious CFI on board
skipde 7 months ago
Very nice flying dude especially on your ifr x-c. That was a great approach and a great landing!
t6flyer2010 8 months ago
That's smoother than most airliner landings. Thumbs up!
Tjita1 9 months ago
Nice landing !
combarbala 10 months ago
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Awesome stuff , great vid
ads101291 11 months ago
very nice cessna 172 @ FTW with KLN 94 it has to be American Flyers very good job !!!
miavec 1 year ago
@miavec Actually it's N35387. Southeastern Oklahoma State University.
nickmed2009 10 months ago
Nice approach!
XaircraftX 1 year ago
NICE APPROACH!!!! My Long IFR Cross Country, was almost ALL ACTUAL!
AcepilotC172 1 year ago
@AcepilotC172 sadly mine was almost all foggles...nearly 4 hours of that crap
sleadman1 1 year ago
meacham :)
israola 1 year ago
Very cool mid way through my instrument rating currently and after years of vfr flying can't wait to do something liken that
Lsalt1 1 year ago
very nice
shooteraod 1 year ago
Man.. what a great experience.. What I like about this type of weather is, wind calm =D
yohan01 1 year ago
very good landing and an exciting one too, i bet you guys were worried if you can have the airport in sight before you had to go missed. good job.
tx weather can be very unpredictable.
tzuchen2003 1 year ago
I am not a pilot, and hope this is not a stupid question. Are you allowed to use autopilot to bring you down to minimums on ILS approaches? I thought you had to fly to minimums without autopilot.
RRlocoENGR 1 year ago
@RRlocoENGR well you can use the auto land just in the ILS CAT 3
israola 1 year ago
I did my long to Daytona Beach to minimums, popped out right next to the race track, so cool that you got to record it!
firstIanFaith 2 years ago
nice approach. cessna 172?
jsstechclub 2 years ago
Yup. 172R.
nickmed2009 1 year ago
great landing.
IJariJuniorI 2 years ago
Greased it, too. Nice job.
lucabrasi1337 2 years ago
Nice work man. So awsome. I start my ifr training in two weeks. Psyched
fxdwings 2 years ago
Nice approach!
SGadd87 2 years ago
congratulations on the approach, job well done. even after the inner marker you stayed on the glideslope and localizer. did u go 100 below minimums because of the ALS or did you call runway in sight at minimums?
nyyankees10389 2 years ago
I had the ALS right at and then the runway about 2 seconds after minimums. Since the video was shot from the back seat it's hard to appreciate what we could see from up front.
nickmed2009 2 years ago
lmfao at the instructor "holy shit"
that sort of flying will put hairs on your chest
ksa5223 2 years ago
Was your autopilot still engaged when your broke out of the fog or was it disengaged at that point?
Zdogs22 2 years ago
It was all hand flown; no AP in this plane.
nickmed2009 2 years ago
Nice job
kingair81r 2 years ago
This in Ft. Wayne IN?
pilotdude2k3 2 years ago
think its fort worth, tx
druick87 2 years ago
nice! break out...wings level...on course...nice flare and touch down. you fly better than most pilots, private and professional!
koman13 2 years ago
Nicely done man. Props
fxdwings 3 years ago
im currently having instrument flight training in austria. it looked like a fun flight for you with a great landing at the end
skysurfer0805 3 years ago
good stuff man
PRSpilot 3 years ago
Nice vid, thanks for sharing!
michaelking42 3 years ago
Ah yes....the infamous hand on the glare shield assisted approach.
skipd2 3 years ago
which flight school?
KLMPilot03 3 years ago
that is an incredible video. 200 foot ceiling is rediculous.. thats a rare training opportunity in actual imc like that.. 5 stars no doubt.
mitgolden76 3 years ago
Great approach,
morrisonak 3 years ago
Great Video- Post some more IFR approaches when you get a chance
shugacane 3 years ago
Damn beautiful landing, where your knees shakin when you got out?
duk309 3 years ago
Hey, looked like a great job...but, minimums at 300 feet?? That, in a C-172 seems way low; am I wrong? Man, that seems so low, even for a "precision approach". Maybe down to , say, 400 or 500 feet. But, there just seems that there is now way an instructor would allow his student to "bust minimums". So, all you IFR qualified 172 drivers...is the 300 feet correct?
mmichaeldonavon 3 years ago
If I recall correctly, the METAR when we were shooting the approach was saying it was at minimums for the approach, which was a 200 foot ceiling and 3/4 mile visibility (the visibility may have been more, I don't recall). No FARs were busted for this approach. The minimums for an approach are dictated by those on the approach plate and the speed at which you fly the approach. A C-172 (and most general aviation aircraft) fly slow enough to fall in Category A, the lowest available.
nickmed2009 3 years ago
And just for the record, as of January of 2007, I am an instrument rated pilot. ;-)
nickmed2009 3 years ago
Congratulations! I can't wait until I finish my IFR training. Great approach. I just flew my first ILS last week, and for those of you that have never flown one, it looks easier than it is.
mikeb172sp 3 years ago
Hello, how many landings in meacham...as is alliance. I did my ATP at T67....hicks :-)
Ciao from ITALY
amicizia123 3 years ago
Using an archived METAR directory, the weather at our approximate landing time was...
KFTW 191933Z 34004KT 1SM BR OVC002 09/09 A3020
So... we were legal to begin the approach. ;-)
nickmed2009 3 years ago
That's some pretty ordinary weather. Is there a requirement for for the METAR or other report to be above a certain minima before commencing an approach? I'm not familiar with FARs as im in Australia, but our regulations only descibe an alternate minima for fuel planning. An approach may be commenced with 0 ceiling and vis as long as no minimums are broken. wether or not it will be successful.....
fogarty14 3 years ago
You can always take a look no matter what is reported, but you can not descend below the DA (precision approach) or MDA (non-precision approach) without the runway environment in sight. Once in site you can not perform any unusual maneuvers to make the runway e.g. dive to the runway. That is my understanding of it.. I am summarizing and there is more to it, but that is the basics.
mikeb172sp 3 years ago
Hey , thanks for the information. As a non IFR rated pilot, I really did get that whole situation wrong...that's why you are IFR rated and I'm not!! I'll just keep "driving" around in the daylight. thanks, m. donavon
mmichaeldonavon 3 years ago
mmmm Mufins
DjTronik 3 years ago
I'm retarded it's meacham. AA still does work on their aircraft out there don't they?
JonBellew12 3 years ago
I believe AA does work at Alliance (AFW), not FTW.
RangerPilot 3 years ago
Wheres FTW? It'll probably come to me right after i post this
JonBellew12 3 years ago
very nice job...beautiful landing.
Ignantredneck 4 years ago
At :46 is the right seat-er wearing Blu-Blocker sunglasses?!?! "Those are the most amazing sunglasses I've ever seen"! :)
CruzinChris 4 years ago
Beautiful approach. An autopilot wouldn't have done any better.
jonbirge 4 years ago
Nice landing, I epecially like the perfect little stall horn on the flare to top it all off
asteinmetz79 4 years ago
This Vid is Cool. I cant wait to do my IR Great Video and Great Landing. V Impressive
balbriggancc 4 years ago
Just always make sure you're ready to go missed in a situation like this. I haven't shot an approach to completion at minimums but I have gotten to 200ft with OVC002 1SM being reported and saw nothing, nada, no lights no nothing. So "minimums" being reported on ATIS is a crapshoot maybe that 200ft is really 150ft maybe it's 250ft makes a big difference! ;-) Chris - PP-ASEL/IA.
ckmreynolds 4 years ago
Later in the day we did have to go missed on a VOR/DME approach. Got down to the MDA and couldn't see a thing.
Gotta love flying. :-)
nickmed2009 4 years ago
Nothing like it!..And to have landings in situations like these, just puts the cherry on top!..
SevenFiveSevenCrazy 4 years ago
dude, awesome video ! i´m going to do the same things that you did to get your IFR license...but i live in brazil . but , nice jobe man !
malametal 4 years ago
Excellent stuff
balbriggancc 4 years ago
Best kinda training one can get. I had an instructor who did the same and took me to ILS minimums and first time out 500 foot ceilings were a walk in the park. Great landing too!
BeechSundowner 4 years ago
That's what it's all about, Monarch or Flyers?
PIPER338 4 years ago
Neither. I did my training with Southeastern Oklahoma State University. It's hard to beat $88/hour wet for a 172R.
nickmed2009 4 years ago
Thats were I am going in August Chocktaw 3rd floor!
PIPER338 4 years ago
nice video. Good flying too
lorddingo555 4 years ago
I love those kinds of approaches
jmr604 4 years ago
Nope. Any instructor with 1/2 a brain in their heads will not even let you use your GPS during IFR training. its all about VOR navigation.
capceo 4 years ago
What about GPS approved for IFR and GPS approaches.. you need IFR GPS training too.. wouldn't want to be stuck trying to do an GPS approach and never used the GPS before.
jmr604 4 years ago
Thinking about get my IFr ratting . is it all gps now or what?
notar1 4 years ago
great landing!
flight10 4 years ago
Lol , if DH of MDA was 300' you busted minimums :)
Also check ma video's
Pattyboy10 4 years ago
The DH for the approach is 200, which is what the ATIS was broadcasting when we came down. All I know is that when the DME showed 1.1 and I transitioned from instruments to visual, the approach lights were right where they were supposed to be. ;-)
nickmed2009 4 years ago
You flew that approach well then! I remember my first ILS approaches, under the hood, were 1 radial, either to the left or right at some times. Right now I got it all under my knee, its just important that you keep your eyes on the instruments, and not pannick.
Also DH isnt given in the ATIS, its givin in the charts, maybe sometimes they also give it in ATIS, could be!
Cheers
Pattyboy10 4 years ago
I just meant that the ceiling was 200' and the visibility was 1/2 mile, per the ATIS. ;-)
nickmed2009 4 years ago
Fantastic Landing, bet you were thinking.. the runway should be HERE, where is it?... ahh there it is. phew.
DynamiteDanmah 4 years ago
Great Video & a Great job. Broke out at minimums, right on the localizer, Landed on the centerline with the stall horn blaring. Perfect approach & landing as far as I could tell.
Was your right-seat passenger surprised by the marker beacon? It looked like it startled him.
athenscap 4 years ago
The beeping is actually the GPS giving an audible warning that we're going below 300' AGL, and the guy in the right seat was my instructor. He was looking for any signs of the runway environment. ;-)
nickmed2009 4 years ago
If you flipped that runway on it's side, one edge would be on the ground and the other would be darn near in the clouds. Minimums alright!
bodybager 4 years ago
Good job!
JMScheib 4 years ago
I'm a CFII and just did my first approach to mins into FTY. 1 SM vis and overcast 300. I broke out and didn't see the lights till mins. Awesome experience but I was too busy flying to record it. :D
awseft 4 years ago
The technical term for that is "Greaser". Nicely done!
veracityohaney 4 years ago
Absolutely perfect! Excellent approach and great landing. I applaud. I still haven't had the pleasure of having a hard IFR approach to minimums.. only to about 500 above min's.
djmastermind 4 years ago
great landing man.
damiencaz 4 years ago
Awesome!
miahroggio 5 years ago
That was cool.
joecatsean 5 years ago
looks scary - nice landing
skellmed 5 years ago
Very Nice.
Dansnov1086 5 years ago