Geneva had no law against heresy which deemed a person to be executed. The execution law was a Roman Catholic law which is the Justinian Codex. Calvin used that to his advantage and betrayed Servetus to the Catholics. A great book to read is "Did Calvin Murder Servetus?" by Standford Rives. This book shows the man that Calvin truly was, a murderer. Calvin even changed his book, "The Institutes of Christian Religion" to be able to justify his means for the execution.
Ha Ha...what a bunch of evil men. Saying that a man who is being burned alive would mix up eternal son of God and son of eternal God. I think being burned alive would scramble anyone's brain. Evil evil evil men rationalizing murder and torture. Calvin is burning in hell because he is a murderer. Murder is a sin.
@1Atomtan Following this logic, I suppose David is burning in Hell because he too, is a murderer? And I suppose everyone who has ever hate a hateful intention in their heart is also going to Hell, because Jesus taught that this was a commission of murder within the heart.
@JohnoPeteDavid didn't wallow in murder, was punished..having his life torn asunder. The example of having a hateful intention in your heart is so you will know that those intentions don't escape God attention. To equate them with burning at the stake is insanity. Calvin not only wallowed in his murder, he felt it was God ordained which makes him a sadistic whacked out murderer, but a delusional heretic worshipping a false god as well.
Heresy, being viewed as a public crime is the fault of those that thought to establish a miltant theocratic system, foreign to God's word. This idea that God set up kings and principalities morphed into, "If God put me here, then whatever I do is of God" This is hardly justification, but self incrimination of anti-christian living!
NOT one thing said so far cleanses Calvin in this matter, now or then!
Of course we know the early church fathers who were taught by the Apostles, to a man, all rejected the doctrines of unconditional election and predestination to salvation in individuals - They all taught the freedom of the will, and the ability of all men to choose God. Augustine over 300 years later introduced a different gospel, that was taken up by Calvin, & lately Piper and Driscoll et al. A little research will prove this:
We've had this discussion before and you've been refuted. Ignatius of Antioch, for one, taught Unconditional Election in the opening of his letter to Ephesus. You refuse correction and thus are divisive and a fool.
@AgApE010 Well I don't quite know who you think you are saying this? - it maybe that you can find one or two who said this, but predominantly, as can be seen from the link, the prevailing perspective was for the freedom of the will, as indeed is the New Testament. "**whosoever will** may drink freely of the water of life..." Rev 22. But Agape - I think I should remind you of what the Lord said about calling people fools: "anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."
Was Paul in danger of Hellfire or is it that there is something more to Jesus' words that you don't understand and thus should study? (Incidentally, studying would probably clear up the fog in your understanding of theology in general as well). The only Fathers who taught libertarian freedom were later ones like Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and Origen. These can hardly be considered theologians in the same sense as Ignatius or Augustine
@AgApE010 Well mate - you can try to get around the words of Christ if you like - to be honest, your way of talking to a fellow Christian is quite unkind if a little harsh - The bible is one long story of God appealing to men to follow him, obey him, cease their rebellion, appealing to them to see sense, realise the dreadful results of rebellion & laziness, & seek him while he may be found. Your approach seems to counter the very process by which God calls people to redemption / sanctification?
@AgApE010 "Draw near to God (our deliberate free will action) and He will draw near to you (God's response). Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded..." [Jas 4:8]
@AgApE010 Let's stop looking to early church leaders, but the bible - enough of Augustine, Calvin and all of them - these men were very compromised in their personal lives, and frankly introduced novel interpretations. The scriptures clearly show that man has opportunity to seek God, and if he does so, God has said he is not far from each of us, and he created us this way "in the hope that" we may feel for him and find him (Acts 17) He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent - this is his will
Geneva had no law against heresy which deemed a person to be executed. The execution law was a Roman Catholic law which is the Justinian Codex. Calvin used that to his advantage and betrayed Servetus to the Catholics. A great book to read is "Did Calvin Murder Servetus?" by Standford Rives. This book shows the man that Calvin truly was, a murderer. Calvin even changed his book, "The Institutes of Christian Religion" to be able to justify his means for the execution.
iknowthetruth777 6 months ago
Ha Ha...what a bunch of evil men. Saying that a man who is being burned alive would mix up eternal son of God and son of eternal God. I think being burned alive would scramble anyone's brain. Evil evil evil men rationalizing murder and torture. Calvin is burning in hell because he is a murderer. Murder is a sin.
1Atomtan 6 months ago
@1Atomtan Following this logic, I suppose David is burning in Hell because he too, is a murderer? And I suppose everyone who has ever hate a hateful intention in their heart is also going to Hell, because Jesus taught that this was a commission of murder within the heart.
JohnoPete 6 months ago
@JohnoPeteDavid didn't wallow in murder, was punished..having his life torn asunder. The example of having a hateful intention in your heart is so you will know that those intentions don't escape God attention. To equate them with burning at the stake is insanity. Calvin not only wallowed in his murder, he felt it was God ordained which makes him a sadistic whacked out murderer, but a delusional heretic worshipping a false god as well.
1Atomtan 6 months ago
I think these most astute scholars are a little biased, but this is very God.
klucharis 8 months ago
Heresy, being viewed as a public crime is the fault of those that thought to establish a miltant theocratic system, foreign to God's word. This idea that God set up kings and principalities morphed into, "If God put me here, then whatever I do is of God" This is hardly justification, but self incrimination of anti-christian living!
NOT one thing said so far cleanses Calvin in this matter, now or then!
buzzbbird 10 months ago
Of course we know the early church fathers who were taught by the Apostles, to a man, all rejected the doctrines of unconditional election and predestination to salvation in individuals - They all taught the freedom of the will, and the ability of all men to choose God. Augustine over 300 years later introduced a different gospel, that was taken up by Calvin, & lately Piper and Driscoll et al. A little research will prove this:
angelfire[dot]com/ab8/hobbes/antenicene.html
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve
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We've had this discussion before and you've been refuted. Ignatius of Antioch, for one, taught Unconditional Election in the opening of his letter to Ephesus. You refuse correction and thus are divisive and a fool.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Well I don't quite know who you think you are saying this? - it maybe that you can find one or two who said this, but predominantly, as can be seen from the link, the prevailing perspective was for the freedom of the will, as indeed is the New Testament. "**whosoever will** may drink freely of the water of life..." Rev 22. But Agape - I think I should remind you of what the Lord said about calling people fools: "anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve
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"O foolish Galatians!..." (The Apostle Paul)
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Was Paul in danger of Hellfire or is it that there is something more to Jesus' words that you don't understand and thus should study? (Incidentally, studying would probably clear up the fog in your understanding of theology in general as well). The only Fathers who taught libertarian freedom were later ones like Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and Origen. These can hardly be considered theologians in the same sense as Ignatius or Augustine
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Well mate - you can try to get around the words of Christ if you like - to be honest, your way of talking to a fellow Christian is quite unkind if a little harsh - The bible is one long story of God appealing to men to follow him, obey him, cease their rebellion, appealing to them to see sense, realise the dreadful results of rebellion & laziness, & seek him while he may be found. Your approach seems to counter the very process by which God calls people to redemption / sanctification?
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@AgApE010 "Draw near to God (our deliberate free will action) and He will draw near to you (God's response). Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded..." [Jas 4:8]
Choose you this day who you will serve...
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Let's stop looking to early church leaders, but the bible - enough of Augustine, Calvin and all of them - these men were very compromised in their personal lives, and frankly introduced novel interpretations. The scriptures clearly show that man has opportunity to seek God, and if he does so, God has said he is not far from each of us, and he created us this way "in the hope that" we may feel for him and find him (Acts 17) He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent - this is his will
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
THIS is what Servetus said about Jesus' deity:
"I shall admit these three things: first, this man is JESUS CHRIST; second, he is the Son of God; third, he is God."
We DO have letters from Calvin, several of them, along with two books he wrote dedicated to defending his murder of Servetus.
"Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
From Calvin's 1561 letter to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
"I'm from the south, South Korea!"
Hahahahahaha!
n00bie51 2 years ago 2