I'm a debunker and extremely against the conspiracy theories, but some of this video is wrong. the WTC columns WERE steel. That's why they failed due to fires and the tower collapsed. The only concrete used in the towers was a 4 inch layer for each floor. No concrete was used in the vertical supports.
so glad theres videos like this to shut these paranoid morons up. check under the 'conspiracy theories' tab at itwastyped. com .. a lot of interesting posts there also
let's see - 47 STEEL box columns are NOW concrete & NOT steel?? WOW
the firetruck photo is in unknown location?? really with a street sign in the actual bkgrd of said photo?? really, NO ONE in NY knows where this might be with the building ALSO in bkgrd of said photo?? MAn, PLEEEEEZ! JUST STICK WITH EVIDENCE and NOT try to explain everything! That's what Judy Wood did! Nut job extrodinaire there huh??
@40joel You need to do homework. They can only get peer reviewed at the Bentham Open, all it takes is 800$ to get your stuff published there. I could go there and get "peer reviewed" for the same amount, but I'm not a scientist. If they really had something worth peer reviewing why don't they actually get it peer reviewed for real? Instead of paying the BO (because it stinks) off? Google: "Journalology: A short post about Bentham Open". You haven't done ANY research. Please quit......Now.
@kushsmokkeralt I was delighted to read your post because it is apparent that a simple example of a journal peer reviewed by several universities would clear up the misunderstanding.
Niels H. Harrit, et. al "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics Journal, Vol. 2 (April 3,
2009): 7-31 (w w w.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2 dot htm)
I scincerely hope this clears any misunderstanding
You can google a credited movie from the 80's named "The Money Masters".
Forget about the occult stuff flying sausers, satan worshippers and other silly and unrelevant stuff.
The federal reserve banking system witch we all live under in the western world was introduced 300 years ago and serves only to rich up the once printing the money.
Has been responsible for nearly all wars of the united states since then. There are numerous examples of presidents who have been in fight with the system.
Anyone else realize how uninformed this guy is? If he's saying the center was made from concrete he's confirming what the 'conspiracy theorists' are saying. The govt said the center frame was steel. It's a wonder the kinda people floating out of the gene pool, but then again thats why most of our officials believe in eugenics. I vote this guy up first when they start! thumbs up for the truth!
You ask what evidence would you need to admit you are wrong. People have answered your question. Why do you then challenge anyone who answers? You're asking for an opinion.
As a heads up, Judy Wood and her space lasers are about as respected within the group as official conspiracy theory is: not any more than any other crazy thing.
The current paradigm hinges on further investigation of nature of the collapse via relativistic study, outlining of multiple available lines of tertiary evidence, and demand for a new investigation due to unsatisfactory performance of government-commissioned ones.
that a firetruck was moved thats your point of debunking
i dont think some sort of deathray as u call it was used but how can 2/3 of a building disappear.i like to see u try and debunk real evidence like the nanothermites
@sapperdiosia You clearly don't understand what the term EVIDENCE means. "They" (meaning Jones- not "multiple scientist"[sic]) found some chemical reactions, and then just claimed it pointed to "nanothermite". Problem is- it's the wrong amount, in a questionable sample, and missing some key components. It would be like finding trace amounts of graphite and then claiming a gigantic pencil took down the towers. It's not science- it's the opposite of science.
@totovader The science speaks for itself The buildings fell to quickly!
So many professional have tried to make it happen but all have failed to replicate the collapse because using a plane + fire + gravity can not give the collapse times seen.
The conspiracy nuts may not be right about nano thermite, but it was Plane + Fire + Gravity + X = collapse we saw.
@Mr911FACTS Science says you guys are all crazy, that's why NOBODY scientist agrees with Harrits, Jones, Richard Gage or anyone in your "movement". You call yourself a movement but can't even get a few thousand more people a year? Pathetic.
@sapperdiosia it really isnt a wonder how thermite was found at the site of the twin towers, you combine a mixture of grinding metals (such as aluminium and iron oxide) and an igniting process.
ALL of which you could find with the flaming/collapsing of the twin towers.
@sapperdiosia no thermite was ever found. A variety of chemicals that would be used in thermite were found, such as sulfur, titanium, etc. These came from computers, wallpaper, the planes, and other parts of the buildings.
There would also need to be huge amounts (about a dumpster full) of thermite to take down one support. How is this suposed to remain unseen by office employees?
@12Weasel awww thats so sweet but at least im not an idiot like u to believe the media and propaganda crap, 9/11 was a conspiracy, wake up and do some research.
this video is made by an ignorant i mean seriously your not even a scientist. 9/11=Conspiracy. PERIOD. And the whole death ray from out space thing is annoying.
So my question is to you people who are trying to figure out some alterior motives to this event is why? It's obvious the day it happened seeing on video the planes crashing into the buildings.. A phone call from a passenger on the plane explaining whats happening on the plane. Not only that but what will it do for you if perhaps you have a half assed claim of some twisted truth that you can probably never ever prove 100 percent. Just let it be and let those who died be remembered.
the question that still haunts me continuously in my sleep is that, if the 9/11 was not a ramification of a conspiracy, then why does this counterargument theory emerge only after a decade of the incidence? it took the the 9/11 truth less than a decade to come up with a number of reasonable arguments regarding this matter; if Washington thinks that they are right,and the the truth is that it was a deliberate attack made by an external party then,why is it so hard for them to to convey it?
the question that still haunts me continuously in my sleep is that, if the 9/11 was not a ramification of a conspiracy, then why does this counterargument theory emerge only after a decade of the incidence? it took the the 9/11 truth less than a decade to come up with a number of reasonable arguments regarding this matter; if Washington thinks that they are right,and the the truth is that it was a deliberate attack made by an external party then,why is it so hard for them to to convey it?
I think your statement of the inner core being concrete is innacurate. The floors all had 4" concrete slabs but their inner core and outer columns were steel that was not concrete encased. Which was one of the fatal flaws in its design. Encasing all of these would have slowed construction trememdously as well as raised construction costs dramatically.
@thecandidate0607 agree, but usuall steel frame structures are coated with fire proofing paint or insulation that give more then 2 hours fire resistance. Putting that part aside even if te bulding did burn from top to bottom(witch it did't) it would't have collapsed in the way it did, 10 s every thing was gone, now compare that with the steel tower in Madrid that DID burn for more then 15 h and only had partial collapses, melted but the Building did not fall in to its own foot print instantly
The building in Madrid had a concrete encased core protecting the steel and the exposed steel portions of the building did collapse. The New WTC7 has concrete encased steel members because of what was learned on 9-11. The fireproofing in the wtc was removed by the impact of the planes obviously and I never stated that fire burned from top to bottom. Obviously heat rises and fires dont often move downward. What makes you think the building would have collapsed any other way?
@thecandidate0607can you further explain how fire proofing can be removed? most fireproofing react to heat and impact load.the fire (were the plain hit) was cold enough for people to stand there and look areound approx 20 -30 min after impact, so the steel was not exposed to alot of fire and it was not hot enough for the steel to yeald. The bulding then fell straight down acceleraiong at a free fall speed. that is physically impossible as below lyes 50 undamaged floors resisting the fall.
@FFreeMind2009 Have you ever worked with the spray on fireproofing that was in the wtc? It doesnt take a hell of a lot to get it off a couple of scrapes with a knive would work much less a fully loaded 767 travelling at over 500 mph. It was cold enough for people to stand around because as I stated in the previous post. Heat rises. standing near or below the impact would obviously much cooler than above the impact. There are plenty of calls from inside wtc with claiming intense heat.
@FFreeMind2009 Beyond that could you explain to me how the twin towers undergo such a monumental task as a demolition prep without being noticed? All the structural weakening prior to detonation, miles and miles of detonation wire, blast mats, yet not a single scrap of detonation wire or any of the materials that usually litter a implosion site pre and post detonation. Not even a single person from the army of people it would have taken to perform such an immense undertaking.
black boxes indestructable, they did find them. they dont have to fuckin tell anyone they did. none of us are on the need to know.. fuck what u think.....false flag...we now have the patriot act. which is against the fuckin constitution. they are taking away freedom. check out free masons, and who is in in, o yeah the boheimian club too..idiots with blinders on all of u
Yah well we've seen movies portraying satellite technologies of Lazers and so called death rays. Like Sub Zero a B grade movie which showed A grade Lazer technologies in space.
And again I stress why did the dump trucks coming in to remove the debris already have dirt within them to displace the loss of mass.. How come no DNA was found? no body parts, no human remains.. and how come such a rapid cover up..by US Government???
i DO NOT BELIVE IT WAS A DEATH RAY. BUT ITS REAL FISHY HOW THE TOWERS CAME DOWN AND NOT FINDING THE BLACK BOXES. 6 NOT FOUND HMMM THE SHELLS NOT FOUND HMMM NOTHING OF THEM.
No what I think is the US goverment has a room of people posting stupid stuff like this and you ar on the Payroll . I do not belive it was a death ray but look at Jessy Venturas Video
You seem to have a vivid imagination Why dont YOU sit down in a room with a bunch of your fellow big brains and piece together a SINGLE DEFINITIVE ALTERNATIVE version of vents from A to Z that explains 9/11 This story must be extrapolated from the steaming mountains of SHIT you call evidence of an inside job
You FUCKING MORONS cant even decide whether or not plains were used
Why dont you formulate this story while you mop the floors at your mediocre job
Ill wait until you geniuses FINALLY... AFTER 8 YEARS come out with a SINGLE DEFINITIVE ALTERNATIVE story explaining the events of 9/11 extrapolated from the mountains of SHIT you call evidence of an inside job
Remember this isnt the movies so you arent allowed an alternate ending
For example you cant have an ending WITH PLANES or WITHOUT PLANES
there's a truck in there somewhere with a hole burnt through it. maybe you should explain how that happened from the ground a mile or better away and the angle points directly to one of the towers.. Yah possible Lazer beam you jack ass, LIKE GOD! just because you never seen one doesn't mean that there isn't one! JAck off! I sat and watched all of this on TV with my oldest son in shock and dismay while it was happening. where were you SLEEPING? well WAKE UP!
oh yah what was that a politician once said? Nixon wasn't it? "Because when I do it it's not a crime!" OK it was only in a movie Frost Nixon but still a considerable reply..
(3) I had stuff typed here but it changed pages on me,, damit..
OK so explain why CDC was insight and knowing very well that it was unsafe to go in, told the rescuers it was OK to go back in and continue searching for life (yah OK) knowing very well it would make people sick and even die from later illnesses. People are still suffering and dying from it. and then there are stupid people like you... GO Back to sleep you idiot! your sheeple.. your first in the line of slaughter by NWO. JACK OFF!
So explain why soo much fell and so little remained. Explain why while rescue was still going on debris was already being removed and carted away, still hot and steaming. Explain why a building that was already condemned for Asbestos contamination that would have cost millions if not billions to demolish and or restructure was so easily demolished by dropping it strategically within it's own footprint.. MORE
how do you account for the clean up crews already being dispatched and NO CSI investigation, rather just a quick cover up and clean up. How come this was never properly documented and investigated? How do YOU explain the firefighter who found a body in a closet while searching for ways to get out of the building? DID HE SEE SOMETHING DURRING THE SET UP AND INSTALATION OF THE EXSPLOSIVES? and was HE TERMINATED? why were there no JET SCRAMBLES from US AIR FORCES
Why were the dump trucks that were scheduled to do the clean up already on route and half full of dirt before the clean up even started? How do you account for the lack of materials, considering how much cement and steel and stuff was brought in for this construction? How do you explain the multiple explosions heard by so many fire fighters and police who by the way lost friends, coworkers, and family in this massive destruction, (Word Count) (1)
hy is there a flipped upside down car on top of fire engine truck? Was it inside the wtc and fell down on top of firetruck? or maybe there was an explosion and it got flipped onto FT. any suggestions? There are other cars...spontaneous combustion. on metal surfaces...nuclear fission w lasers on earth...dust explosions..firemens airpacs exploding..electrostatic discharge..esd event..thermobaric...nanoscale composites..isotopes...oxidation..base surge explosion..local fallout...hot particles...
The US military uses lasars. This death ray from space is a twist off line of crap. How about death ray from earth? We do have those here on earth. Check out the parking lot at West & Vesey..cars just sitting there caught on fire from the dust of the towers. drjudywood...you know the rest will show the pictures.The Woolworth building was damaged.Read the Iraqi war exotic weapons being used that shrinks buses to the size of VOLKSWAGONS AND MELTS ENGINE BLOCKS. Theres NO DEATH RAY FROM SPACE!
what kind of fucking asshole is this person? name a FACT or piece of EVIDENCE that would get ME to admit 9/11 wasnt an insdie JOB? you fucking piece of shit! thanks for posting your pic, so i can show everyone what a true FUCKING ASSHOLE looks like!
WHY THE FUCK didnt you ask bush for EVIDENCE proving WMD's existed ASSHOLE? WHY THE FUCK IS BIN LADEN NOT EVEN WANTED BY THE FBI FOR 9/11 DICKHEAD?
FBI agent Wright had the computer to one of the terrorists before 911 and knew the date and time of the sept 11 attack but was blocked by the justice dept.(.Michael Chertoff who got humself a new job as Homeland Security) would not let him see Ashcroft and not allowed a warrant.About 9 other FBI agents encountered blockage to pursue investigations.Wright wrote a book but the FBI has blocked his tell all book.Anyway Wright was pissed and did a news conference afterward which you can find.
1st : if a group or person admitted to the attck that wasnt a Bin Laden lookalike
2nd : if any of flight 93 was found
3rd: if any of the STEEL from the rubble didnt perfectly fit the back of the lorrys that were there to take the remains away ( only a controlled demolition can make sure that the size of the rubble matches the size of the removale trucks )
4th : If the towers hadnt been insured for the first time only a week before the attack
This man needs to be investigated for being an agent provocateur or simply for being so stupid.
It would be interesting to know who this guy is and who does he work for. Lord protect us from these evil creatures who spread lies to confuse people even more.
The Moussaoui trial provided the FBI report which proved that Solicitor General, Ted Olsen lied about receiving phone calls from his wife, Barbara. In fact, disclosure of evidence in the Moussaoui's trial proved only two of the 37 phone calls reported, took place. None of the calls detailed in the Official 911 Report ever took place.
Where's the Media outrage when the Solicitor General US proven to have lied & a fatally flawed 911 Report that documents several calls that never took place?
"Death Ray from Outer Space." No one believes this?
Either it's a bad joke or your COIntelPro budget has been severely scaled back. Try debating the actual views of the truth movement rather than making up easily debunked theories that no one besides yourself has ever mentioned.
Have you been living under a rock? Of course there was a Death Ray from outer space! Don't you know about the government's "space station"? What do you think they're doing up there? The Death Ray is real. You've just bought in to the government's lie. Get the truth. Stop listening to the media and sheeple!
Every one Knows death rays reduce steel and concrete to jello pudding.
There was no Jello Pudding found in the rubble. All they found weeks later was molten steel, only possible from a Thermite reaction. The world trade centers were shut down for maintenance the weekend prior..even the security dogs were sent home...That is when the Trade center got Wired to come down....Black boxes with no markings were brought up to the "Battery backup floors"...the same floor the planes hit on each building.
Structural Steel from the building has been analysed and contain all the trademark characteristics of a Thermite reaction...as well as the same elemental traces of thermite Iron and sulphor and aluminum...
Recently, Members of the 911 commision have come out and stated that any evidence that did not back the official 911 story,was to be left out of the report....
Turner Construction who constructed a facility which is the only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the US, was in fact performing unspecified renovation work throughout the WTC complex until the very morning of September 11, 2001,
including fireproofing on the only floors that were struck by United and American airlines flights on September 11, 2001 which later burned and failed.
The CEO for Turner Construction at the time, was Tom Leppert, the current mayor of Dallas, Texas who has ties with both former president George W. Bush and Carlos M. Gutierrez, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST, (a bureau of the Department of Commerce), was assigned to investigate the collapses of the WTC 1,2 and 7.
Turner Construction particpated in the collection and disposal of the steel wreckage of the WTC towers following September 11, 2001.
nobody on earth says there is a "death ray from outter space" at all, much less one which detroyed the WTC
this video is really, really stupid and is ment to tty and make the TRUE aregument which quesitons and proves the 911 conspiracy WAS an inside job seem rediculous.
This is brilliant. I'm glad to see people calling out all the assholes with their conspiracy theories. Thank you. At least some people on here are still using legitimate logic. Kudos
A death ray from outer space?!!! muahahahahaha That is definitely the looniest conspiracy theory for 9/11 I have heard yet!! Thank u totovader, for confronting the stupidy of those who believe in these conspiracies!!!
your ignorant statement dies niot deserve a reply all ct are the same they claim to ask questions but dont like the answers. You are too intellectually lazy to google it for your self. I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponnent
If the truck pictured at 8:58 is Ladder 3, then the other truck in question is not. They both have two different front rims. Granted the images are of a left and right side but the FDNY does not mix and match rims that way.
Correct- they are not the same truck. I made a follow-up video where I actually found the final resting place of Ladder 3: crushed under the north walkway.
I made the mistake of thinking I was talking to someone else who posted at the exact same time as you. YOU- on the other hand- think the government conspired to destroy the two largest buildings in the world, murdering almost 3000 people, using technology which is both impossible and unheard of- and then cover it all up without a single person saying a peep.
In your own words billybbob18, and dont send me anymore of your garbage links. Can you tell me where exatly was th thermite found 'at the scene'?! Can you tell me in your words billybbob18?! Can you tell me in something that even resemble your own words?! Or the 'chemical reaction' you claim was found! There are people who have gone through the trouble of engaging you in this debate. They used their own words, however you have not been able to extend the same courtesy.
billybob just send me a link to the "911 research" site, talking about explosives: tinyurl . com / hwfft
Something tells me he not only has not read it- but really doesn't care to research anything about the claims. Notice there is not a single shred of evidence on that entire page.
No, I have not read his links, I dont need to see or read any of that conspiratorial crap.
Those sites are designed to be an insult to the people who died there, the people who built those buildings and America. The people who indulge in those conspiracy theories are spoiled brats who have watched too many saturday morning cartoons.
billybob is lying- I have not blocked him at all. I'm not the least bit afraid of his claims. He started trying to have a conversation with me in private and I told him that he needs to debate this publicly... clearly, he's afraid to do that, even going so far as to lie and say that he's been blocked.
The only theory that I've heard from the scholars was the fact that the twin towers fell at nearly the same speed as gravity, and that the ONLY steel framed buildings to ever fall from "fire" fell on 9/11. Taking compelling testimony from experts in their respective fields. For instance, a demolition expert saying "I couldn't have pulled those buildings better." WTC 7? obviously pulled. Why? IDK. Coincidence? Not plausible. Notice how I say plausible meaning we need more investigation.
Maybe you should visit the website before you pretend to be their spokesperson.
"Only steel framed buildings..." = lie. Research McCormick Center fire, Kader toy factory, and the Madrid Hotel fire.
"Compelling testimony" is not evidence- nor is out of context quoting. You need more investigation AFTER you've already reached your conclusion? "Obviously pulled" is not an argument, it's a avoidance of one.
I'm only a spokesman for myself. Evidence of thermite was found at the scene. If you fall asleep and the ground is clear, only to wake up to find snow everywhere, then you can conclude that it snowed. please give me the link to the scholar site that states the death ray theory.
Not a very good spokesman, I might add. No evidence of thermite was ever found- CLAIMS of thermite were made and research was falsified to meet that claim, but there is no evidence whatsoever of thermite.
Go to the scholars website- you SHOULD know where it is if you're claiming that they ARE NOT making that claim, shouldn't you? Look at the SECOND VIDEO LINK, go read ANY of Fetzer's statements. Go look at his debate with Mark Roberts for crying out loud. THIS IS THE PREVAILING THEORY.
It's called research, billybob18- it's the opposite of just repeating what you're told and being a shill for individuals with a political agenda.
WHAT evidence did you THINK there was for thermite? Sulfur? Iron sphereules? And what did YOU find when you RESEARCHED Jones' claims? Do they hold up AT ALL? Are there OTHER, MORE REASONABLE explanations for these things? Is SULFUR uncommon or unusual? Is there anything IN THERMITE that would be a BETTER indicator that WAS found? Come on kiddo.
I just did all kinds of searches in google, wiki, and youtube. I was unable to find anyone who believes the theory, and am unable to find the origination of the said theory. Only people taking of people who believe the theory. Don't take my word for it. I charge anyone who is curious as to my statements to search for themselves. peace kiddo.
That's obviously a lie since I told you exactly where to find it. Either that or you fail at Google... considering what you believe, I wouldn't be surprised if your research skills were lacking.
THERES NO NEED TO DO A GOOGLE SEARCH- go right to the Scholars website. It's RIGHT THERE. SECOND VIDEO LINK. For crying out loud...
Oh shouldn't you know that kiddo? It's YOUR CLAIM!
I'll give you a hint- it WASN'T found at the scene, and it WASN'T collected in any scientific manner- even though it proves nothing, it could have EASILY been contaminated. Any conclusions drawn from it (conclusions which were false, anyway) would have been highly suspect and inadmissible.
And you jump to post pointless "gotchas". Don't bother responding to the argument, the facts, or the links I have provided in regards to the individuals within your movement who ALL believe in nonsense... no no no, instead jump on me for replying to someone who I thought was you... yeah, that means I "jump to conclusions" which of course should call all my conclusions into question.
So now youre back pedaling from thermite being found 'at the scene'. To 'chemical reactions exclusive to thermite'.
But ok, were 'at the scene' was this chemical reaction found?
What is this 'chemical reaction' that is exclusive to thermite?
You are aware that a chemical reaction is an event that takes place. Not the results of the event, right? So youre basically implying that there were sensors there testing for this 'chemical reaction'.
Ok, so where were these "chemical reactions exclusive to thermite" found- or rather, where was the evidence of these exclusive chemical reaction markers found?
I'd also like to see if you can explain WHAT these EXCLUSIVE chemical reactions would be... that's quite a ridiculous claim to make, and I'm positive it will sink you.
You must not be very involved with the movement, then. The DRFOS claim is the principle claim of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth- and is largely the reason that the group was forced to split.
Rubbish, I'm merely stating that there are also pranksters out there who make things up, or others who just want to convolute the movement as to cause discretenesses to make the story sound crazy. To even respond to a claim like that is pointless. How many people do YOU think believe in Death rays from space?
You think the Scholars for 9/11 Truth are pranksters? Your entire argument- that anyone who believes this is NOT one of you- is fallacious: it's called the No True Scotsman fallacy. It's the SAME reasoning that allows you to conclude that the Towers were a CD, or that a missile hit the Pentagon, or that there were no planes at all, or that the government let is all happen on purpose. Whether you like it or not- THIS is the result of abandoning science. ALL of it.
Also one of the firetrucks ( not sure if it was the ladder 3 firetruck) was move out from a pile after it was hooked on to by cables and mooved by a large cranne. This vid is about as good as can be done on a ridiculous theory
To conclude. I have read some comments to your other videos. Everyone eventually get frustrated with your lack of an argument. Your "challenge" is laughable. There is no answer, it's moronic. All you do is demand evidence. When you provide nothing. I have no idea why you defend the official story. Your debating skills are horrible. I watched a few of your videos, there's no point to any of them. Here's a tip. Watch actual news reports as it happened. Open your ears and listen to what happened.
You have no evidence- claim you don't need any- and then demand that people buy into your absurd fantasy. Claiming my Challenge is "laughable" is not an argument- and it's not an adequate response.
Some people want to find a conspiracy in every single thing. It amazes me how logic smacking these people in the face is still not enough to make them realize how silly they are.
Meckanix, I'm not going to tell you this again. I have asked far too many times for you to provide evidence supporting your case- and the fact that you think you don't need any is really what I'm getting at. If you are unable to answer my Challenge- then move on. No more spamming this video. I've answered enough of your questions and debunked enough of your nonsense. Anything beyond that will be addressed AFTER you answer my Challenge.
Answer this....Why do you keep asking for evidence. When you yourself have not provided any. Tell one piece of evidence that has stood up to independent scrutiny. You have said nothing to prove your case. All you do is ask the innocent to damn the guilty, when the guilty hold all the cards. We have been asking for answers to the 100's of unanswered questions. But our obvious and legitimate questions continue to be ignored. Why does the Government ignore the families of 9/11 who lost loved ones.
I'm not the one making the claim, here- why do you keep demanding evidence when you are the one who claimed the "official story" was completely disproven?
totovader-why do you keep demanding evidence when you are the one who claimed the "official story" was completely disproven?
So in a nutshell you cannot point out 1 significant issue to convince me "the Official Story" is true. Most people who were there that day want a RE-investigation by a fair & independent council. Why are we denied? What are they trying to hide. Allow the American public access to the evidence. Why are we not priviledged to sensitive material. Ther is only one reason..
You aren't convinced by facts- therefore nothing I can provide (or have provided) will get you to change your mind: THAT IS MY POINT. You believe in stupid conspiracy theories because you WANT TO- not because it's the TRUTH. The position that has the SUPPORTING EVIDENCE is the TRUTH- and you're on the other side of it.
Meckanix- I'm not going to keep asking you for evidence: it's clear you have none.
Instead, I'm going to direct you to my Challenge redux video. If you can answer my Challenge I will be glad to continue to answer any questions you have. However, if you're just here to waste my time, then I'm going to suggest that you move on.
Why do you keep asking for evidence. When you yourself have not provided any. Tell one piece of evidence that has stood up to independent scrutiny. You have said nothing to prove your case. All you do is ask the innocent to damn the guilty, when the guilty hold all the cards. We have been asking for answers to the 100's of unanswered questions. But our obvious and legitimate questions continue to be ignored. Why does the Government ignore the families of 9/11 who lost loved ones.
Why do I keep asking for evidence? Wow. My case is proven by the facts- and YOU are the one making the claim. YOU need to provide PROOF for YOUR claim, I don't need to provide proof that your claim is wrong, I simply do it as a courtesy.
Okay you abandoned my Pentagon point, because I'm right. You don't need evidence, just a brain. You have not backed up your argument with any facts yet. All I'm asking for is your evidence, yet I'm still waiting. Show me the facts. The government's story has never been proven. Never can be proven, because you can't prove a lie. Just give me you most solid piece of evidence, please I beg you. I have made no claims. I just don't believe you. I want you to convince me that your story holds up.
Anyone who says "you don't need evidence" is a person to be avoided at all costs. At the same time you are demanding facts left and right- this is AFTER you said that EVERYTHING in the Commission Report has been "disproven". You couldn't even back that up with ONE fact. You won't be convinced by the facts- that's the point. Your "Pentagon point" is absurd and has no supporting evidence.
You really are a waste of my time. You strut around saying that the "Official Story" has been proven. When in fact it's just lies forced on the American public. The more it is looked into, the sotry falls apart. Then the Government just ignores it.
Have you heard any eyewitness accounts who were there? Multiple explosions were heard, By all walks of life. Does that not count. The basement and lobby were blown up before the plane's impact. People died and were burned there BEFORE the collapse. That doesn't matter either I guess. So far I have provided more evidence than you. You are the most uninformed person I have discussed 9/11 with to date. I will respond to your other 2 idiotic replies, then I will be done with you.
I have not only heard the eyewitness accounts, but I have talked to a couple of them personally. One of the firefighters there that day was here only a couple weeks ago. He doesn't buy your bullshit. In fact, THE VAST MAJORITY OF WITNESSES DO NOT. Explosions and burned people are not at all unusual and do not contradict the "official story".
Being only 40 mins. from ground zero, I;ve been there 4 times. Each time I see more and more first responders there, telling their story. A story that directly refutes the 9/11 commission report. They are becoming increasingly angry at the way they have been treated since 2001. You are an imbecile. You make statements that are absurd and simply untrue, sounds familiar. I will end all communication with you now, for it is a complete waste of my time.
I have sent you my evidence. You are a deranged, senseless, mindless individual. You provide nothing for discussion. Therefore I will, from here on out ignore your futile attempts to twist the truth to accommodate your "officcial explanation" of that horrible day. I do beg you though, stop doing this publicly because you are making a fool of yourself. Thank you for wasting my time.
What you have sent me is not evidence- it's a long, useless attack which states that if someone doesn't agree with you- it must be because they're either stupid or they work for the government.
You have harassed me privately and spammed my video comment section after I have patiently answered your questions and directed you towards the Challenge video. Since you're incapable of doing that- you have been suspended for 3 days. At the end of that time, I expect an answer to my Challenge.
totovader-"All walks of life"... are you sure about that one genius? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Yes, all walks of life. News reporters, office workers, emergency personnel, janitors & the friggin' Mayor all speak of secondary explosions. As many as 10. I give you important information, and you disregard it like your are an authority on such matters. Your ignorance is apalling. Still you have yet to mention your strongest piece of evidence. Give me something, anything.
I say that this was a Goa'uld attack that was covered up by the US government! US need to stop lying about the Stargate program!
mornmeril 3 weeks ago
I'm a debunker and extremely against the conspiracy theories, but some of this video is wrong. the WTC columns WERE steel. That's why they failed due to fires and the tower collapsed. The only concrete used in the towers was a 4 inch layer for each floor. No concrete was used in the vertical supports.
MazJax 1 month ago
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so glad theres videos like this to shut these paranoid morons up. check under the 'conspiracy theories' tab at itwastyped. com .. a lot of interesting posts there also
culturebully3 3 months ago
let's see - 47 STEEL box columns are NOW concrete & NOT steel?? WOW
the firetruck photo is in unknown location?? really with a street sign in the actual bkgrd of said photo?? really, NO ONE in NY knows where this might be with the building ALSO in bkgrd of said photo?? MAn, PLEEEEEZ! JUST STICK WITH EVIDENCE and NOT try to explain everything! That's what Judy Wood did! Nut job extrodinaire there huh??
crazyiommi 4 months ago
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megamogx 4 months ago in playlist 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Debunking
Take this video down, claiming the core is concrete makes you look like an idiot.
signalfire6 4 months ago
@40joel You need to do homework. They can only get peer reviewed at the Bentham Open, all it takes is 800$ to get your stuff published there. I could go there and get "peer reviewed" for the same amount, but I'm not a scientist. If they really had something worth peer reviewing why don't they actually get it peer reviewed for real? Instead of paying the BO (because it stinks) off? Google: "Journalology: A short post about Bentham Open". You haven't done ANY research. Please quit......Now.
kushsmokkeralt 6 months ago
@kushsmokkeralt I was delighted to read your post because it is apparent that a simple example of a journal peer reviewed by several universities would clear up the misunderstanding.
Niels H. Harrit, et. al "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics Journal, Vol. 2 (April 3,
2009): 7-31 (w w w.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2 dot htm)
I scincerely hope this clears any misunderstanding
40joel 6 months ago
You can google a credited movie from the 80's named "The Money Masters".
Forget about the occult stuff flying sausers, satan worshippers and other silly and unrelevant stuff.
The federal reserve banking system witch we all live under in the western world was introduced 300 years ago and serves only to rich up the once printing the money.
Has been responsible for nearly all wars of the united states since then. There are numerous examples of presidents who have been in fight with the system.
turbofritz2 7 months ago
you are an idiot... i canrt even watch past the death ray from outer space part the 2nd time. thats how lame you are.
LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 7 months ago
Anyone else realize how uninformed this guy is? If he's saying the center was made from concrete he's confirming what the 'conspiracy theorists' are saying. The govt said the center frame was steel. It's a wonder the kinda people floating out of the gene pool, but then again thats why most of our officials believe in eugenics. I vote this guy up first when they start! thumbs up for the truth!
Mrabudamonkee 1 year ago
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You ask what evidence would you need to admit you are wrong. People have answered your question. Why do you then challenge anyone who answers? You're asking for an opinion.
xXxSlowPoke 1 year ago
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@12Weasel Fail, fail, fail.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
Greetings from "conspiracy theory" camp.
As a heads up, Judy Wood and her space lasers are about as respected within the group as official conspiracy theory is: not any more than any other crazy thing.
The current paradigm hinges on further investigation of nature of the collapse via relativistic study, outlining of multiple available lines of tertiary evidence, and demand for a new investigation due to unsatisfactory performance of government-commissioned ones.
Cheers.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@12Weasel Fail.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
They scome muggans!
mobilechief 1 year ago
what a ridiculous video.
so what did u debunk here?
that a firetruck was moved thats your point of debunking
i dont think some sort of deathray as u call it was used but how can 2/3 of a building disappear.i like to see u try and debunk real evidence like the nanothermites
sapperdiosia 1 year ago
@sapperdiosia LMAO. A death ray from outer space is just silly... but nanothermite is a legitimate claim? Oh man, you conspiracists crack me up.
Here's a hint: both claims contain the exact same amount of evidence. That is, none at all.
totovader 1 year ago 2
@totovader
yes a death ray is silly, i didnt say it was now did i?
so the nanothermites they found in the dust by multiple scientist
is no evidence you mean?
funny how you just proved to be a total fraud
sapperdiosia 1 year ago
@sapperdiosia You clearly don't understand what the term EVIDENCE means. "They" (meaning Jones- not "multiple scientist"[sic]) found some chemical reactions, and then just claimed it pointed to "nanothermite". Problem is- it's the wrong amount, in a questionable sample, and missing some key components. It would be like finding trace amounts of graphite and then claiming a gigantic pencil took down the towers. It's not science- it's the opposite of science.
totovader 1 year ago
@totovader The science speaks for itself The buildings fell to quickly!
So many professional have tried to make it happen but all have failed to replicate the collapse because using a plane + fire + gravity can not give the collapse times seen.
The conspiracy nuts may not be right about nano thermite, but it was Plane + Fire + Gravity + X = collapse we saw.
Mr911FACTS 10 months ago
@Mr911FACTS Science says you guys are all crazy, that's why NOBODY scientist agrees with Harrits, Jones, Richard Gage or anyone in your "movement". You call yourself a movement but can't even get a few thousand more people a year? Pathetic.
kushsmokkeralt 6 months ago
@sapperdiosia it really isnt a wonder how thermite was found at the site of the twin towers, you combine a mixture of grinding metals (such as aluminium and iron oxide) and an igniting process.
ALL of which you could find with the flaming/collapsing of the twin towers.
this conspiracy nonsense is just getting silly.
Dread556 1 year ago
@sapperdiosia no thermite was ever found. A variety of chemicals that would be used in thermite were found, such as sulfur, titanium, etc. These came from computers, wallpaper, the planes, and other parts of the buildings.
There would also need to be huge amounts (about a dumpster full) of thermite to take down one support. How is this suposed to remain unseen by office employees?
MazJax 10 months ago
@totovader The nanothermite claim is taken from a peer reviewed article written in 2009. Please do some more homework
40joel 7 months ago
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kushsmokkeralt 6 months ago
@sapperdiosia Fuel tanks burned the cab , seen many times face to face!
mobilechief 1 year ago
I love this video. There are, especially now in 2010, so many conspiracy theories on any topic whatsoever and nobody has evidence.
StopFear 1 year ago
BELIEVE THE LIE
XanatharEye 1 year ago
@12Weasel awww thats so sweet but at least im not an idiot like u to believe the media and propaganda crap, 9/11 was a conspiracy, wake up and do some research.
lardospanko 1 year ago 2
this video is made by an ignorant i mean seriously your not even a scientist. 9/11=Conspiracy. PERIOD. And the whole death ray from out space thing is annoying.
lardospanko 1 year ago
So my question is to you people who are trying to figure out some alterior motives to this event is why? It's obvious the day it happened seeing on video the planes crashing into the buildings.. A phone call from a passenger on the plane explaining whats happening on the plane. Not only that but what will it do for you if perhaps you have a half assed claim of some twisted truth that you can probably never ever prove 100 percent. Just let it be and let those who died be remembered.
Twizztednights81 1 year ago
the question that still haunts me continuously in my sleep is that, if the 9/11 was not a ramification of a conspiracy, then why does this counterargument theory emerge only after a decade of the incidence? it took the the 9/11 truth less than a decade to come up with a number of reasonable arguments regarding this matter; if Washington thinks that they are right,and the the truth is that it was a deliberate attack made by an external party then,why is it so hard for them to to convey it?
atonglenon 1 year ago
the question that still haunts me continuously in my sleep is that, if the 9/11 was not a ramification of a conspiracy, then why does this counterargument theory emerge only after a decade of the incidence? it took the the 9/11 truth less than a decade to come up with a number of reasonable arguments regarding this matter; if Washington thinks that they are right,and the the truth is that it was a deliberate attack made by an external party then,why is it so hard for them to to convey it?
atonglenon 1 year ago
I think your statement of the inner core being concrete is innacurate. The floors all had 4" concrete slabs but their inner core and outer columns were steel that was not concrete encased. Which was one of the fatal flaws in its design. Encasing all of these would have slowed construction trememdously as well as raised construction costs dramatically.
thecandidate0607 1 year ago
@thecandidate0607 agree, but usuall steel frame structures are coated with fire proofing paint or insulation that give more then 2 hours fire resistance. Putting that part aside even if te bulding did burn from top to bottom(witch it did't) it would't have collapsed in the way it did, 10 s every thing was gone, now compare that with the steel tower in Madrid that DID burn for more then 15 h and only had partial collapses, melted but the Building did not fall in to its own foot print instantly
FFreeMind2009 1 year ago
@FFreeMind2009
The building in Madrid had a concrete encased core protecting the steel and the exposed steel portions of the building did collapse. The New WTC7 has concrete encased steel members because of what was learned on 9-11. The fireproofing in the wtc was removed by the impact of the planes obviously and I never stated that fire burned from top to bottom. Obviously heat rises and fires dont often move downward. What makes you think the building would have collapsed any other way?
thecandidate0607 1 year ago
@thecandidate0607can you further explain how fire proofing can be removed? most fireproofing react to heat and impact load.the fire (were the plain hit) was cold enough for people to stand there and look areound approx 20 -30 min after impact, so the steel was not exposed to alot of fire and it was not hot enough for the steel to yeald. The bulding then fell straight down acceleraiong at a free fall speed. that is physically impossible as below lyes 50 undamaged floors resisting the fall.
FFreeMind2009 1 year ago
@FFreeMind2009 Have you ever worked with the spray on fireproofing that was in the wtc? It doesnt take a hell of a lot to get it off a couple of scrapes with a knive would work much less a fully loaded 767 travelling at over 500 mph. It was cold enough for people to stand around because as I stated in the previous post. Heat rises. standing near or below the impact would obviously much cooler than above the impact. There are plenty of calls from inside wtc with claiming intense heat.
thecandidate0607 1 year ago
@FFreeMind2009 Beyond that could you explain to me how the twin towers undergo such a monumental task as a demolition prep without being noticed? All the structural weakening prior to detonation, miles and miles of detonation wire, blast mats, yet not a single scrap of detonation wire or any of the materials that usually litter a implosion site pre and post detonation. Not even a single person from the army of people it would have taken to perform such an immense undertaking.
thecandidate0607 1 year ago
black boxes indestructable, they did find them. they dont have to fuckin tell anyone they did. none of us are on the need to know.. fuck what u think.....false flag...we now have the patriot act. which is against the fuckin constitution. they are taking away freedom. check out free masons, and who is in in, o yeah the boheimian club too..idiots with blinders on all of u
kissarmy51 1 year ago
@kissarmy51 They're called "FREE" masons for a reason dip shit.
PhilConey1 1 year ago
Yah well we've seen movies portraying satellite technologies of Lazers and so called death rays. Like Sub Zero a B grade movie which showed A grade Lazer technologies in space.
And again I stress why did the dump trucks coming in to remove the debris already have dirt within them to displace the loss of mass.. How come no DNA was found? no body parts, no human remains.. and how come such a rapid cover up..by US Government???
kentek2007 1 year ago
i DO NOT BELIVE IT WAS A DEATH RAY. BUT ITS REAL FISHY HOW THE TOWERS CAME DOWN AND NOT FINDING THE BLACK BOXES. 6 NOT FOUND HMMM THE SHELLS NOT FOUND HMMM NOTHING OF THEM.
2009wildmonkey1 1 year ago
No what I think is the US goverment has a room of people posting stupid stuff like this and you ar on the Payroll . I do not belive it was a death ray but look at Jessy Venturas Video
2009wildmonkey1 2 years ago
LOL!
Paranoia the great destroyaaaaaah!
You seem to have a vivid imagination Why dont YOU sit down in a room with a bunch of your fellow big brains and piece together a SINGLE DEFINITIVE ALTERNATIVE version of vents from A to Z that explains 9/11 This story must be extrapolated from the steaming mountains of SHIT you call evidence of an inside job
You FUCKING MORONS cant even decide whether or not plains were used
Why dont you formulate this story while you mop the floors at your mediocre job
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
what a dumb video. AFTER WATCHING "ENDGAME" "EMPIRE OF THE CITY" THEIR WILL BE NO DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW NOW IS A LIE.
alessioNY 2 years ago
No thanks
Ill wait until you geniuses FINALLY... AFTER 8 YEARS come out with a SINGLE DEFINITIVE ALTERNATIVE story explaining the events of 9/11 extrapolated from the mountains of SHIT you call evidence of an inside job
Remember this isnt the movies so you arent allowed an alternate ending
For example you cant have an ending WITH PLANES or WITHOUT PLANES
LOL! You fucking losers
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
there's a truck in there somewhere with a hole burnt through it. maybe you should explain how that happened from the ground a mile or better away and the angle points directly to one of the towers.. Yah possible Lazer beam you jack ass, LIKE GOD! just because you never seen one doesn't mean that there isn't one! JAck off! I sat and watched all of this on TV with my oldest son in shock and dismay while it was happening. where were you SLEEPING? well WAKE UP!
kentek2007 2 years ago
Ive never seen your mother jerk off a bum on a freight train bound for Tennessee and eat his cum but it doesnt mean she didnt
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
OH sorry did I not stick to the point?
THE WHOLE THING IS THE POINT!
It shouldn't have happened?
did I not say ONE QUESTION?
OK here it is!
WHY WAS THERE NEVER A FORMAL INVESTIGATION?
oh yah what was that a politician once said? Nixon wasn't it? "Because when I do it it's not a crime!" OK it was only in a movie Frost Nixon but still a considerable reply..
kentek2007 2 years ago
ummm there was a formal investigation It was called the 9/11 commission
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
(3) I had stuff typed here but it changed pages on me,, damit..
OK so explain why CDC was insight and knowing very well that it was unsafe to go in, told the rescuers it was OK to go back in and continue searching for life (yah OK) knowing very well it would make people sick and even die from later illnesses. People are still suffering and dying from it. and then there are stupid people like you... GO Back to sleep you idiot! your sheeple.. your first in the line of slaughter by NWO. JACK OFF!
kentek2007 2 years ago
(3) oops missed spell check last one!
So explain why soo much fell and so little remained. Explain why while rescue was still going on debris was already being removed and carted away, still hot and steaming. Explain why a building that was already condemned for Asbestos contamination that would have cost millions if not billions to demolish and or restructure was so easily demolished by dropping it strategically within it's own footprint.. MORE
kentek2007 2 years ago
(2) (word count)
how do you account for the clean up crews already being dispatched and NO CSI investigation, rather just a quick cover up and clean up. How come this was never properly documented and investigated? How do YOU explain the firefighter who found a body in a closet while searching for ways to get out of the building? DID HE SEE SOMETHING DURRING THE SET UP AND INSTALATION OF THE EXSPLOSIVES? and was HE TERMINATED? why were there no JET SCRAMBLES from US AIR FORCES
kentek2007 2 years ago
Hey I want to ask you this one question?
Why were the dump trucks that were scheduled to do the clean up already on route and half full of dirt before the clean up even started? How do you account for the lack of materials, considering how much cement and steel and stuff was brought in for this construction? How do you explain the multiple explosions heard by so many fire fighters and police who by the way lost friends, coworkers, and family in this massive destruction, (Word Count) (1)
kentek2007 2 years ago
hy is there a flipped upside down car on top of fire engine truck? Was it inside the wtc and fell down on top of firetruck? or maybe there was an explosion and it got flipped onto FT. any suggestions? There are other cars...spontaneous combustion. on metal surfaces...nuclear fission w lasers on earth...dust explosions..firemens airpacs exploding..electrostatic discharge..esd event..thermobaric...nanoscale composites..isotopes...oxidation..base surge explosion..local fallout...hot particles...
muttkat 2 years ago
The US military uses lasars. This death ray from space is a twist off line of crap. How about death ray from earth? We do have those here on earth. Check out the parking lot at West & Vesey..cars just sitting there caught on fire from the dust of the towers. drjudywood...you know the rest will show the pictures.The Woolworth building was damaged.Read the Iraqi war exotic weapons being used that shrinks buses to the size of VOLKSWAGONS AND MELTS ENGINE BLOCKS. Theres NO DEATH RAY FROM SPACE!
muttkat 2 years ago
watch?v=vlJOa7PS5W8 this is proof that there is a death ray from outer space.
warlord2080 2 years ago
what kind of fucking asshole is this person? name a FACT or piece of EVIDENCE that would get ME to admit 9/11 wasnt an insdie JOB? you fucking piece of shit! thanks for posting your pic, so i can show everyone what a true FUCKING ASSHOLE looks like!
WHY THE FUCK didnt you ask bush for EVIDENCE proving WMD's existed ASSHOLE? WHY THE FUCK IS BIN LADEN NOT EVEN WANTED BY THE FBI FOR 9/11 DICKHEAD?
EarthsGravitySucks 2 years ago
FBI agent Wright had the computer to one of the terrorists before 911 and knew the date and time of the sept 11 attack but was blocked by the justice dept.(.Michael Chertoff who got humself a new job as Homeland Security) would not let him see Ashcroft and not allowed a warrant.About 9 other FBI agents encountered blockage to pursue investigations.Wright wrote a book but the FBI has blocked his tell all book.Anyway Wright was pissed and did a news conference afterward which you can find.
muttkat 2 years ago
ok here is some answers to your question.
1st : if a group or person admitted to the attck that wasnt a Bin Laden lookalike
2nd : if any of flight 93 was found
3rd: if any of the STEEL from the rubble didnt perfectly fit the back of the lorrys that were there to take the remains away ( only a controlled demolition can make sure that the size of the rubble matches the size of the removale trucks )
4th : If the towers hadnt been insured for the first time only a week before the attack
BalloonBoy69 2 years ago
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BalloonBoy69 2 years ago
This man needs to be investigated for being an agent provocateur or simply for being so stupid.
It would be interesting to know who this guy is and who does he work for. Lord protect us from these evil creatures who spread lies to confuse people even more.
1939ardalan 2 years ago
The interior was concrete? What about the 47 steel columns?
sxmadrid 2 years ago
Jerusalem Post / Rosner Blog
11 | Ted Walters, Tuesday May 26, 2009
"... I have never seen a Jew run into a Arab wedding and blow everyone up..."
"When they are not killing Jews and the rest of the world they are happy to kill each other as shiites and sunis. GO SMITE AMELEK"
*Ted Walters NYCCAN ???
(NYsentinel)
NYsentinel 2 years ago
Jerusal Post / Rosner Blog
12 |Ted Walters USA, Tuesday May 26, 2009
"It never ceases to amaze me when Palestinians or muslims is general accuse Isreal of mass murder..."
"...Isreal my brothers we are to prepare to defend ourselves. The time is short. We recognize who you are AMELEK !!"
*Ted Walters NYCCAN ???
(NYsentinel)
NYsentinel 2 years ago
how would a death ray crush a truck?
neomp5 2 years ago
Simple solution. Have those who were involved answer questions sitting in an electric chair wired to a lie detector.
waketheoblivious 2 years ago
Correct
walmartian555 2 years ago
conspiracists are an alien race!!! xD
curiouscat2009 2 years ago
it did disintegrate into powder. if you dont believe me just ask the clean up crew!!!
curiouscat2009 2 years ago
is this video supposed to make 911 truthers look better then the debunkers?
Cuz thats what its doing imo
vens1o1 2 years ago
The Moussaoui trial provided the FBI report which proved that Solicitor General, Ted Olsen lied about receiving phone calls from his wife, Barbara. In fact, disclosure of evidence in the Moussaoui's trial proved only two of the 37 phone calls reported, took place. None of the calls detailed in the Official 911 Report ever took place.
Where's the Media outrage when the Solicitor General US proven to have lied & a fatally flawed 911 Report that documents several calls that never took place?
waketheoblivious 2 years ago
Cool Please source me the Ted Olsen lie report.
fake2 2 years ago
"Death Ray from Outer Space." No one believes this?
Either it's a bad joke or your COIntelPro budget has been severely scaled back. Try debating the actual views of the truth movement rather than making up easily debunked theories that no one besides yourself has ever mentioned.
Can you debunk VIGILANT GUARDIAN? How about TAPI?
No?
Ok. go back to playing with your death ray.
FistInTheAir420 2 years ago 2
Have you been living under a rock? Of course there was a Death Ray from outer space! Don't you know about the government's "space station"? What do you think they're doing up there? The Death Ray is real. You've just bought in to the government's lie. Get the truth. Stop listening to the media and sheeple!
adamsmark69 2 years ago
Is there anyone who believes in this idea?
Scoforever 2 years ago
Directed Energy Weapons exist and can pulverize concrete and steel. Your video is simplistic and condecending
trapozoidalsyth 2 years ago
Nobody claims that...awful vid! Try to "debunk" the real conspiracy champ!
Beutse1 2 years ago
Your an idiot there were 1200 fried cars, dick head.
trapozoidalsyth 2 years ago
1200 fried cars = Ray from space? You are the idiot. This was clearly a control demolition "dickhead"!
Beutse1 2 years ago
your both wrong just one is more obviously wrong then the other
AwsomestKill 2 years ago
Every one Knows death rays reduce steel and concrete to jello pudding.
There was no Jello Pudding found in the rubble. All they found weeks later was molten steel, only possible from a Thermite reaction. The world trade centers were shut down for maintenance the weekend prior..even the security dogs were sent home...That is when the Trade center got Wired to come down....Black boxes with no markings were brought up to the "Battery backup floors"...the same floor the planes hit on each building.
slammah2012 2 years ago
Structural Steel from the building has been analysed and contain all the trademark characteristics of a Thermite reaction...as well as the same elemental traces of thermite Iron and sulphor and aluminum...
Recently, Members of the 911 commision have come out and stated that any evidence that did not back the official 911 story,was to be left out of the report....
That explains why building 7 was not adressed.
slammah2012 2 years ago
Everyone knows death rays don't exist.
Scoforever 2 years ago
Well here is some interesting news...
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Turner Construction who constructed a facility which is the only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the US, was in fact performing unspecified renovation work throughout the WTC complex until the very morning of September 11, 2001,
including fireproofing on the only floors that were struck by United and American airlines flights on September 11, 2001 which later burned and failed.
Thermite is an aluminum nanopowder.
slammah2012 2 years ago
The CEO for Turner Construction at the time, was Tom Leppert, the current mayor of Dallas, Texas who has ties with both former president George W. Bush and Carlos M. Gutierrez, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST, (a bureau of the Department of Commerce), was assigned to investigate the collapses of the WTC 1,2 and 7.
Turner Construction particpated in the collection and disposal of the steel wreckage of the WTC towers following September 11, 2001.
slammah2012 2 years ago
this is LOL'worthy
MIG06 2 years ago
whoever made this video probably wears a tinfoil hat too.
livefastdieyoung26 2 years ago
nobody on earth says there is a "death ray from outter space" at all, much less one which detroyed the WTC
this video is really, really stupid and is ment to tty and make the TRUE aregument which quesitons and proves the 911 conspiracy WAS an inside job seem rediculous.
this video ... is rediculous
rtardbox 2 years ago
Glad to see logic hasn't yet died completely.
ANewAccount43 2 years ago
This is brilliant. I'm glad to see people calling out all the assholes with their conspiracy theories. Thank you. At least some people on here are still using legitimate logic. Kudos
OutpostOrange 2 years ago
outpost u r a dik hed!!!
u are supporting the Murder of 3000 americans
i hope when jutice comes , they hang u by the balls also..
P.S SOME DEBUNKERS HAVE CLAIMED THERE WERE "NO" CAMERAS AT THESE AIR PORTS HENCE WHY MAJORITY OF THE TERRORISTS WERE NOT CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!!
kannay123 2 years ago
Facts of 9/11
1. No proof of plane hitting Pentagon.
2. Bin Laden confession tape is Obvious fake.
3. Bush lied about when he first saw the attack.
4. WTC fell at free fall speed ( Physics refutes government claims of Pancake effect )
5. Norad Stand down to scramble fighters 1-½ hour lapse.
5. No Bin laden Hide out has ever been found in Afghanistan.
The list can go on but here are some facts that no one can refute & the Facts can be researched by anyone.
kannay123 2 years ago
word <):-o
chrismelen01 2 years ago
7. Many supposed "hijackers" still alive.
8. FBI claims "No Evidence" linking Osama to 9/11
and no proof the supposed Hijackers were on the plane.
9. Specific warnings from German, Russian and Isreali intelligence of the imminent attack were ignored.
10. Some government officials told not to fly on that day.
Lazyboy0008 2 years ago
Oh my god. These are adults making this claim? Are you sure? Death ray? This must be a joke.
plusplusplusplusp 2 years ago
DEATH RAY FROM OUTER SPACE!!!!!
LOL
okayillgonow 2 years ago
this is so stupid and insults anyones intelligence,
Airportris 2 years ago
I.
Love.
You.
nukenate 3 years ago
Let me guess this video was done by a 12 year old.
MichaelJohnLA 3 years ago
crystallizing public opinion through false claims.
toto at his best
Zhagarim 3 years ago
the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! lol
soakdezinagro 3 years ago
GAY LAUGHING)
TEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
I pee'd my GAY shorts on this one.
You're the best Totovader.
This is the best YUTUB video ever. I feel really really GAY now.
The TWWOFIE movement is dead as my wewe when I pull it out of jizzmongers behind.
GaySlimeBuster 3 years ago
Nader Paul Kucinich Gravel
McKinney Ventura too
Perot charts...
RATM
Honesty compassion intelligence guts
- or more lies?
ryanshaunkelly 3 years ago
it wasnt from outer space fuckhead,it was from the white elephant.
butthd1 3 years ago
A death ray from outer space?!!! muahahahahaha That is definitely the looniest conspiracy theory for 9/11 I have heard yet!! Thank u totovader, for confronting the stupidy of those who believe in these conspiracies!!!
OldSchoolGamer1975 3 years ago 2
stupidity* lol
OldSchoolGamer1975 3 years ago
I would have to disagree about the death ray being the looniest CT about 911. Hands down it has to be the no plane theory
Obelisk2290 3 years ago
who mad a death ray claim?
did you see a plane?
Zhagarim 3 years ago
Jim Fetzer and Judy Wood. Everyone that was watching tv saw the planes. What parallel universe are you in
Obelisk2290 3 years ago
show me where they stated it.
seeing planes on tv don't count.
Zhagarim 3 years ago
your ignorant statement dies niot deserve a reply all ct are the same they claim to ask questions but dont like the answers. You are too intellectually lazy to google it for your self. I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponnent
Obelisk2290 3 years ago
"dies not"
thanks so much, I win by default once again.
Zhagarim 3 years ago
*"dies niot" rather
Zhagarim 3 years ago
judy nor jim made a death ray claim, directed energy is easily googled and should be by anyone interested.
You lost this battle hands down.
Zhagarim 3 years ago
If the truck pictured at 8:58 is Ladder 3, then the other truck in question is not. They both have two different front rims. Granted the images are of a left and right side but the FDNY does not mix and match rims that way.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
Correct- they are not the same truck. I made a follow-up video where I actually found the final resting place of Ladder 3: crushed under the north walkway.
totovader 3 years ago
If can you can you should try to make a video debunking the theory that the airplanes were flown into the buildings using remote control.
I mentioned that in a different comment, I dont know if it made it through.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
No desperation here toto, only dry insults and false assumptions on your part
billybbob18 3 years ago
I made the mistake of thinking I was talking to someone else who posted at the exact same time as you. YOU- on the other hand- think the government conspired to destroy the two largest buildings in the world, murdering almost 3000 people, using technology which is both impossible and unheard of- and then cover it all up without a single person saying a peep.
Your mistake trumps mine. Sorry.
totovader 3 years ago 2
In your own words billybbob18, and dont send me anymore of your garbage links. Can you tell me where exatly was th thermite found 'at the scene'?! Can you tell me in your words billybbob18?! Can you tell me in something that even resemble your own words?! Or the 'chemical reaction' you claim was found! There are people who have gone through the trouble of engaging you in this debate. They used their own words, however you have not been able to extend the same courtesy.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
billybob just send me a link to the "911 research" site, talking about explosives: tinyurl . com / hwfft
Something tells me he not only has not read it- but really doesn't care to research anything about the claims. Notice there is not a single shred of evidence on that entire page.
totovader 3 years ago 3
No, I have not read his links, I dont need to see or read any of that conspiratorial crap.
Those sites are designed to be an insult to the people who died there, the people who built those buildings and America. The people who indulge in those conspiracy theories are spoiled brats who have watched too many saturday morning cartoons.
BTW, billybbob says you blocked him.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
billybob is lying- I have not blocked him at all. I'm not the least bit afraid of his claims. He started trying to have a conversation with me in private and I told him that he needs to debate this publicly... clearly, he's afraid to do that, even going so far as to lie and say that he's been blocked.
totovader 3 years ago
I figured he was lying.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
The only theory that I've heard from the scholars was the fact that the twin towers fell at nearly the same speed as gravity, and that the ONLY steel framed buildings to ever fall from "fire" fell on 9/11. Taking compelling testimony from experts in their respective fields. For instance, a demolition expert saying "I couldn't have pulled those buildings better." WTC 7? obviously pulled. Why? IDK. Coincidence? Not plausible. Notice how I say plausible meaning we need more investigation.
billybbob18 3 years ago
Maybe you should visit the website before you pretend to be their spokesperson.
"Only steel framed buildings..." = lie. Research McCormick Center fire, Kader toy factory, and the Madrid Hotel fire.
"Compelling testimony" is not evidence- nor is out of context quoting. You need more investigation AFTER you've already reached your conclusion? "Obviously pulled" is not an argument, it's a avoidance of one.
totovader 3 years ago
I'm only a spokesman for myself. Evidence of thermite was found at the scene. If you fall asleep and the ground is clear, only to wake up to find snow everywhere, then you can conclude that it snowed. please give me the link to the scholar site that states the death ray theory.
billybbob18 3 years ago
Not a very good spokesman, I might add. No evidence of thermite was ever found- CLAIMS of thermite were made and research was falsified to meet that claim, but there is no evidence whatsoever of thermite.
Go to the scholars website- you SHOULD know where it is if you're claiming that they ARE NOT making that claim, shouldn't you? Look at the SECOND VIDEO LINK, go read ANY of Fetzer's statements. Go look at his debate with Mark Roberts for crying out loud. THIS IS THE PREVAILING THEORY.
totovader 3 years ago
Now I must ask where you got your evidence
billybbob18 3 years ago
It's called research, billybob18- it's the opposite of just repeating what you're told and being a shill for individuals with a political agenda.
WHAT evidence did you THINK there was for thermite? Sulfur? Iron sphereules? And what did YOU find when you RESEARCHED Jones' claims? Do they hold up AT ALL? Are there OTHER, MORE REASONABLE explanations for these things? Is SULFUR uncommon or unusual? Is there anything IN THERMITE that would be a BETTER indicator that WAS found? Come on kiddo.
totovader 3 years ago
I just did all kinds of searches in google, wiki, and youtube. I was unable to find anyone who believes the theory, and am unable to find the origination of the said theory. Only people taking of people who believe the theory. Don't take my word for it. I charge anyone who is curious as to my statements to search for themselves. peace kiddo.
billybbob18 3 years ago
That's obviously a lie since I told you exactly where to find it. Either that or you fail at Google... considering what you believe, I wouldn't be surprised if your research skills were lacking.
THERES NO NEED TO DO A GOOGLE SEARCH- go right to the Scholars website. It's RIGHT THERE. SECOND VIDEO LINK. For crying out loud...
totovader 3 years ago
Where exactly 'at the scene' was it found?
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
Oh shouldn't you know that kiddo? It's YOUR CLAIM!
I'll give you a hint- it WASN'T found at the scene, and it WASN'T collected in any scientific manner- even though it proves nothing, it could have EASILY been contaminated. Any conclusions drawn from it (conclusions which were false, anyway) would have been highly suspect and inadmissible.
totovader 3 years ago
Oops- sorry, new poster... didn't notice that.
Anyway, pretend like billybob had asked the question.
totovader 3 years ago
you jump to conclusions too soon it seems....
billybbob18 3 years ago
And you jump to post pointless "gotchas". Don't bother responding to the argument, the facts, or the links I have provided in regards to the individuals within your movement who ALL believe in nonsense... no no no, instead jump on me for replying to someone who I thought was you... yeah, that means I "jump to conclusions" which of course should call all my conclusions into question.
You must be desperate.
totovader 3 years ago
Billybbob, where *exactly* was the thermite found 'at the scene'?
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
not thermite, but chemical reactions exclusive to thermite.
billybbob18 3 years ago
So now youre back pedaling from thermite being found 'at the scene'. To 'chemical reactions exclusive to thermite'.
But ok, were 'at the scene' was this chemical reaction found?
What is this 'chemical reaction' that is exclusive to thermite?
You are aware that a chemical reaction is an event that takes place. Not the results of the event, right? So youre basically implying that there were sensors there testing for this 'chemical reaction'.
ThunderAppeal 3 years ago
Ok, so where were these "chemical reactions exclusive to thermite" found- or rather, where was the evidence of these exclusive chemical reaction markers found?
I'd also like to see if you can explain WHAT these EXCLUSIVE chemical reactions would be... that's quite a ridiculous claim to make, and I'm positive it will sink you.
totovader 3 years ago
This is the first death ray theory reference I've ever heard.....
billybbob18 3 years ago
You must not be very involved with the movement, then. The DRFOS claim is the principle claim of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth- and is largely the reason that the group was forced to split.
totovader 3 years ago
Rubbish, I'm merely stating that there are also pranksters out there who make things up, or others who just want to convolute the movement as to cause discretenesses to make the story sound crazy. To even respond to a claim like that is pointless. How many people do YOU think believe in Death rays from space?
billybbob18 3 years ago
You think the Scholars for 9/11 Truth are pranksters? Your entire argument- that anyone who believes this is NOT one of you- is fallacious: it's called the No True Scotsman fallacy. It's the SAME reasoning that allows you to conclude that the Towers were a CD, or that a missile hit the Pentagon, or that there were no planes at all, or that the government let is all happen on purpose. Whether you like it or not- THIS is the result of abandoning science. ALL of it.
totovader 3 years ago
Also one of the firetrucks ( not sure if it was the ladder 3 firetruck) was move out from a pile after it was hooked on to by cables and mooved by a large cranne. This vid is about as good as can be done on a ridiculous theory
Obelisk2290 3 years ago
To conclude. I have read some comments to your other videos. Everyone eventually get frustrated with your lack of an argument. Your "challenge" is laughable. There is no answer, it's moronic. All you do is demand evidence. When you provide nothing. I have no idea why you defend the official story. Your debating skills are horrible. I watched a few of your videos, there's no point to any of them. Here's a tip. Watch actual news reports as it happened. Open your ears and listen to what happened.
Meckanix 3 years ago
You have no evidence- claim you don't need any- and then demand that people buy into your absurd fantasy. Claiming my Challenge is "laughable" is not an argument- and it's not an adequate response.
totovader 3 years ago
Some people want to find a conspiracy in every single thing. It amazes me how logic smacking these people in the face is still not enough to make them realize how silly they are.
TheScenicView 3 years ago
Meckanix, I'm not going to tell you this again. I have asked far too many times for you to provide evidence supporting your case- and the fact that you think you don't need any is really what I'm getting at. If you are unable to answer my Challenge- then move on. No more spamming this video. I've answered enough of your questions and debunked enough of your nonsense. Anything beyond that will be addressed AFTER you answer my Challenge.
totovader 3 years ago
Answer this....Why do you keep asking for evidence. When you yourself have not provided any. Tell one piece of evidence that has stood up to independent scrutiny. You have said nothing to prove your case. All you do is ask the innocent to damn the guilty, when the guilty hold all the cards. We have been asking for answers to the 100's of unanswered questions. But our obvious and legitimate questions continue to be ignored. Why does the Government ignore the families of 9/11 who lost loved ones.
Meckanix 3 years ago
I'm not the one making the claim, here- why do you keep demanding evidence when you are the one who claimed the "official story" was completely disproven?
totovader 3 years ago
totovader-why do you keep demanding evidence when you are the one who claimed the "official story" was completely disproven?
So in a nutshell you cannot point out 1 significant issue to convince me "the Official Story" is true. Most people who were there that day want a RE-investigation by a fair & independent council. Why are we denied? What are they trying to hide. Allow the American public access to the evidence. Why are we not priviledged to sensitive material. Ther is only one reason..
Meckanix 3 years ago
You aren't convinced by facts- therefore nothing I can provide (or have provided) will get you to change your mind: THAT IS MY POINT. You believe in stupid conspiracy theories because you WANT TO- not because it's the TRUTH. The position that has the SUPPORTING EVIDENCE is the TRUTH- and you're on the other side of it.
totovader 3 years ago
Meckanix- I'm not going to keep asking you for evidence: it's clear you have none.
Instead, I'm going to direct you to my Challenge redux video. If you can answer my Challenge I will be glad to continue to answer any questions you have. However, if you're just here to waste my time, then I'm going to suggest that you move on.
totovader 3 years ago
Why do you keep asking for evidence. When you yourself have not provided any. Tell one piece of evidence that has stood up to independent scrutiny. You have said nothing to prove your case. All you do is ask the innocent to damn the guilty, when the guilty hold all the cards. We have been asking for answers to the 100's of unanswered questions. But our obvious and legitimate questions continue to be ignored. Why does the Government ignore the families of 9/11 who lost loved ones.
Meckanix 3 years ago
Why do I keep asking for evidence? Wow. My case is proven by the facts- and YOU are the one making the claim. YOU need to provide PROOF for YOUR claim, I don't need to provide proof that your claim is wrong, I simply do it as a courtesy.
totovader 3 years ago
Okay you abandoned my Pentagon point, because I'm right. You don't need evidence, just a brain. You have not backed up your argument with any facts yet. All I'm asking for is your evidence, yet I'm still waiting. Show me the facts. The government's story has never been proven. Never can be proven, because you can't prove a lie. Just give me you most solid piece of evidence, please I beg you. I have made no claims. I just don't believe you. I want you to convince me that your story holds up.
Meckanix 3 years ago
Anyone who says "you don't need evidence" is a person to be avoided at all costs. At the same time you are demanding facts left and right- this is AFTER you said that EVERYTHING in the Commission Report has been "disproven". You couldn't even back that up with ONE fact. You won't be convinced by the facts- that's the point. Your "Pentagon point" is absurd and has no supporting evidence.
totovader 3 years ago
You really are a waste of my time. You strut around saying that the "Official Story" has been proven. When in fact it's just lies forced on the American public. The more it is looked into, the sotry falls apart. Then the Government just ignores it.
Meckanix 3 years ago
Theres NOTHING TO IGNORE- you have no case. I have asked you at least a dozen times for your evidence and you have concluded that you don't need any.
totovader 3 years ago
Have you heard any eyewitness accounts who were there? Multiple explosions were heard, By all walks of life. Does that not count. The basement and lobby were blown up before the plane's impact. People died and were burned there BEFORE the collapse. That doesn't matter either I guess. So far I have provided more evidence than you. You are the most uninformed person I have discussed 9/11 with to date. I will respond to your other 2 idiotic replies, then I will be done with you.
Meckanix 3 years ago
I have not only heard the eyewitness accounts, but I have talked to a couple of them personally. One of the firefighters there that day was here only a couple weeks ago. He doesn't buy your bullshit. In fact, THE VAST MAJORITY OF WITNESSES DO NOT. Explosions and burned people are not at all unusual and do not contradict the "official story".
totovader 3 years ago
Being only 40 mins. from ground zero, I;ve been there 4 times. Each time I see more and more first responders there, telling their story. A story that directly refutes the 9/11 commission report. They are becoming increasingly angry at the way they have been treated since 2001. You are an imbecile. You make statements that are absurd and simply untrue, sounds familiar. I will end all communication with you now, for it is a complete waste of my time.
Meckanix 3 years ago
And everyone is just supposed to believe you because you say so, right?
You don't need evidence... right?
totovader 3 years ago
I have sent you my evidence. You are a deranged, senseless, mindless individual. You provide nothing for discussion. Therefore I will, from here on out ignore your futile attempts to twist the truth to accommodate your "officcial explanation" of that horrible day. I do beg you though, stop doing this publicly because you are making a fool of yourself. Thank you for wasting my time.
Meckanix 3 years ago
What you have sent me is not evidence- it's a long, useless attack which states that if someone doesn't agree with you- it must be because they're either stupid or they work for the government.
You have harassed me privately and spammed my video comment section after I have patiently answered your questions and directed you towards the Challenge video. Since you're incapable of doing that- you have been suspended for 3 days. At the end of that time, I expect an answer to my Challenge.
totovader 3 years ago
"All walks of life"... are you sure about that one genius? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Name ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE supporting your claim. JUST ONE. You seem to think you don't need any.
totovader 3 years ago
totovader-"All walks of life"... are you sure about that one genius? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Yes, all walks of life. News reporters, office workers, emergency personnel, janitors & the friggin' Mayor all speak of secondary explosions. As many as 10. I give you important information, and you disregard it like your are an authority on such matters. Your ignorance is apalling. Still you have yet to mention your strongest piece of evidence. Give me something, anything.
Meckanix 3 years ago