While a stellar scholar, Pinnock has been up and down the proverbial theological latter, many times over. This is something that is telling to me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just indicative of a bigger issue. As a five-point Calvinist early on in his career and an Open Theist for the most recent portion of his life, Pinnock certainly defends his beliefs reasonably.
Pinnock says "So I do not apologize for admitting to being on a pilgrimage in theology, as if it were in itself some kind of weakness of intelligence or character. Feeling our way toward the truth is the nature of theological work even with the help of Scripture, tradition and community …. A pilgrimage, therefore, far from being unusual or slightly dishonorable, is what we would expect theologians who are properly aware of their limitations to experience."
Don't you think that since there is SO much to be known about God, stating your position and never moving up or down the ladder would seem not only dishonest, but unjust to what theology really is? As if to say you've acquire the necessary knowledge of God to fit into a "category."
I personally have more respect for a person, let's say, who was an Atheist for 30 years and then realized he was wrong about his theology (some say lack thereof) and became a Christian.
I guess you've never had surgery before. Especially one like prostate, flippin, cancer. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be chipper if I had recently gotten my groin scalpelled open. Just sayin.
I don't think whether a person is convinced of another's position should be dependent on the presence of emotion in the presentation of the person's position.
Isa 48:5-6 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
Jim, you clearly love the Word, as evidenced by your post. I would encourage you to cease proof-texting, though, as it is a dead-end debate tactic. I could easily post open theist proof texts in response. The point is to either except the tension or to try and resolve it. Accepting your proof texts as inherently meaning exactly what they say and, de facto, proclaiming open theist proof texts to inexplicably mean something OTHER than what THEY say is weak argument, and hence, weak theology.
Clark Pinnock's work is excellent. His presentation skills here are less so. His work on both the Openess of God and his position on Hell need to be examined in depth and with an open mind. Prayer too, of course.
Mainstream Christianity has too long lived with half-formed, hellenistic-influenced traditions that distort the nature and love of God.
While a stellar scholar, Pinnock has been up and down the proverbial theological latter, many times over. This is something that is telling to me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just indicative of a bigger issue. As a five-point Calvinist early on in his career and an Open Theist for the most recent portion of his life, Pinnock certainly defends his beliefs reasonably.
jefferygwatkins 10 months ago
@jefferygwatkins
Pinnock says "So I do not apologize for admitting to being on a pilgrimage in theology, as if it were in itself some kind of weakness of intelligence or character. Feeling our way toward the truth is the nature of theological work even with the help of Scripture, tradition and community …. A pilgrimage, therefore, far from being unusual or slightly dishonorable, is what we would expect theologians who are properly aware of their limitations to experience."
DanPrinMan 9 months ago
@DanPrinMan Seems like a cop out.
jefferygwatkins 9 months ago
@jefferygwatkins
Don't you think that since there is SO much to be known about God, stating your position and never moving up or down the ladder would seem not only dishonest, but unjust to what theology really is? As if to say you've acquire the necessary knowledge of God to fit into a "category."
I personally have more respect for a person, let's say, who was an Atheist for 30 years and then realized he was wrong about his theology (some say lack thereof) and became a Christian.
DanPrinMan 9 months ago
@DanPrinMan I respect anyone who is a theist. I may disagree with whom their belief is to, but I don't respect very many atheists.
jefferygwatkins 9 months ago
How can a man of this caliber and experience present so badly!?
spoztube 1 year ago
@spoztube
I guess you've never had surgery before. Especially one like prostate, flippin, cancer. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be chipper if I had recently gotten my groin scalpelled open. Just sayin.
DanPrinMan 9 months ago
too bad he is reading his lecture. Lacks the emotion to convince me of his points which I'm sure are worth considering.
msudlp 1 year ago
@msudlp
I don't think whether a person is convinced of another's position should be dependent on the presence of emotion in the presentation of the person's position.
DanPrinMan 9 months ago
Isa 48:5-6 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
KJV
NazareneEvangelists 2 years ago
Ps 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
KJV
Mal 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
KJV
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
KJV
JimQualls 2 years ago
Jim, you clearly love the Word, as evidenced by your post. I would encourage you to cease proof-texting, though, as it is a dead-end debate tactic. I could easily post open theist proof texts in response. The point is to either except the tension or to try and resolve it. Accepting your proof texts as inherently meaning exactly what they say and, de facto, proclaiming open theist proof texts to inexplicably mean something OTHER than what THEY say is weak argument, and hence, weak theology.
jklseattle 2 years ago
Ps 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
KJV
Through HIs Blood,
Jim
JimQualls 2 years ago
Open Theology is not the same as process theology. It's not that God changes, it is that humans are invited into the process of history.
theologyethicsgeek 2 years ago
Clark Pinnock's work is excellent. His presentation skills here are less so. His work on both the Openess of God and his position on Hell need to be examined in depth and with an open mind. Prayer too, of course.
Mainstream Christianity has too long lived with half-formed, hellenistic-influenced traditions that distort the nature and love of God.
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