i agree that this is a problem but an ip ban is absolutely not a sulution to people creating new counts. most people have dhcp so disconnecting and reconnecting your router would get around an ip block. VVIZARD0 also points to a legitimate reason why ip bans are not god in general and not in this case either. beside that i like you’re videos keep up the good work.
@jovaha Reseting the router would only change your internal ip address. I have several port forwards set up using my external ip and have reset my router many times and nothing has changed
How about uploading it on other sites about ten times over on each? As I have heard from ZOMGitsCriss, once her video was flagged and censored it was uploaded on other sites like 300 sites. Make your videos go viral.
enough is enough! youtube has been getting away with abusing users long enough. i just got bulk mailed on appeal that all of the INSTRUMENTALS in my channel "violate community standards!" (not copyrights).
as individuals, youtube can afford to ignore us like the faceless corporation it is, but we WILL have a say if the THOUSANDS of us whose free speech has been violated UNITE!
let's start a class action lawsuit! pass the word, it's time to be heard! fight the conspirators using THEIR methods
Love your video. I contacted one time the Business Bureau and they helped me very well. The complain was about other company and the made this company to apologized. lol
Thank you for this video. While watching the whole VFX meltdown, I kept thinking that the whole mess could have been avoided if YouTube was more responsible to it's users.
Actually, no an IP ban will not block a user simply because many ISPs actually share IP addresses with all of their users and thus the IP address of the abusive person can change every couple hours. The logical solution is to block MAC addresses, which is permanently burned into the NIC and only technical users know how to mask or change.
I just wish that the whole votebot tng woud stop on both sides cause it has cause a ripple effect on YT overall and people need to grow up and stop, yeah people have there right to have their own view on subjects like religion for example but togo as far as to do the votebot thing. both sides need to wake up and figure out who is doing it and to stop them and stop the silly accusations already . why don't you two groups work together and find out hwo done it and bring all the proof to YT?
The only here is that the BBB is only for the US and Canada, I'm not sure if there is an equivalent company for UK and Ireland. I've been false flagged myself recently, I cannot believe how much of a playground YT is for cyber bullies and haters. It's disgusting.
The funny thing is that YouTube claims that they review all flagged videos, when they obviously do not. And you are so right--the infuriating thing is that YouTube gives all the power to the false flaggers and none to the victims.
But please don't think that false flagging is limited to theists.
On another note, the BBB probably IS the best solution to this problem. Just how to get through to them is the ultimate trick. Another great video, Don.
Users don't pay subscription services therefore little or nothing will get done. The adverts call the shots....and all they care about is having their ad on the main page, and in their OWN videos.
Good video DE, yes its infuriating that YT has offered no means for users to fight back against votebots and flaggers trying to shut down their accounts.
I've seen it happen often to great users who never broke the rules but still got suspended or had videos deleted. The worse part is not being able to speak to YT customer service since there isn't any.
Another option might be to contact politicians with some influence that can try to deal directly with YT and get their policies changed.
Don, the problem with complaining to BBB is that YT is free. Had we sent Google/UT money for services rendered, we would have a far greater capacity to be taken seriously. YT can say, "hey, if you don't like our terms for this free service, go somewhere else", and we non-paying users have no legal recourse.
Copyright and obscenity laws are what drives YouTube's need for a FLAG button. You'd be far better off advocating a change in those outdated and biased laws than complaining to the BBB.
Actually, its not that simple. Youtube needs traffic to exist as they live of that traffic to be commercial consumers. As such, they are under the same regulation as any company when they show any commercial, and they are liable for any method they use to gain more traffic. In turn, without the customers activity their traffic would go down. They are therefore liable for their customers as well, in a court of law. In theory, everything I do on youtube is a part of their company platform.
Taken to its extreme, if we do anything, like violating the law by uploading pornography or such, youtube is actually liable as they made it possible.
So if we where to start talking about rights and laws, lets take it both ways, shall we? They would need to censure every video until a team of lawyers appoved it. xD
Making it even worse, they opperate here in Norway. As such, they must submit to our laws. 8D
the big problem in your theory: the mistaken idea that we are youtube's customers. we aren't. we do not pay youtube for its services, therefore youtube has no obligation toward us. youtube's customers are its advertisers. we, the consumers, are the commodity being sold.
which, of course, is not to say that youtube isn't being an ass and shouldn't so something about this. but this isn't exactly the sort of situation you imply.
YouTube is not a member of BBB, so all it can do is leave a message for the contact at YouTube. We all know that YouTube never returns phonecalls or emails. The BBB cannot get through to a human either.
But Google probably is, maybe the complaint should be directed at them. But then again I think YouTube is an independent subsidiary of Google, so I don't know if that would do any good.
Cont... This absolutely is a problem with services that are policed by anon users of the community services. I've seen the problem of flagging on Craigslist out of control at times, with much false flagging, and little to no feedback from CL staff regarding this when I inquired. As long as there are sufficient users to generate advertisers that drive their revenue, it seems some of these services are happy to stay the course.
(previous comment deleted due to typo, corrected here.)
2. How about sending certified return receipt mail directly to YouTube & Google Offices to contact them?
3. The term "whistleblower", refers to employees of a company, not users of a free subscription service. I suspect people have little legal recourse should YT terminate your account.
4. Does YT care what the BBB thinks? YT know's the level of customer service, or lack of it, they provide.
This is the problem with systems that rely on community policing, the nutjobs with no lives to censor based on their idiotic standards. I think this will lead to youtube fading compared to competitors over time if it doesn't figure out ways to correct this.
Why not just boycott? There have to be alternatives to YouTube. It has obviously gotten so big that they don't care if people are unhappy. They're just going to continue laughing their way to the bank.
1482 new things in inbox.. dude, serioulsy. I get like.. 4 a week.
I haven't been on very much coz my laptop died so I'm not aware of all the shitty flagging and suspending that has been going on. Makes me depressed...
I agree with Disthron about IP bans not being a good solution. Maybe flagging in general should be removed as it is constantly being abused. If a person violates the TOS or has a channel with obscene content the decision to remove this person from the youtube community should be done by the community itself. Any idiot can flag a video but it takes an informed and intelligent individual to take place in a discourse on why a certain user should be banned.
I'm sorry but complaining through the BBB is pointless too. If you look up Youtube there and look at their ratings the BBB says that they have requested information from Youtube and YT has not responded. YT doesn't pay attention to them either. I think they are allowing this stuff to happen to drive away people so they have an excuse to make major changes that squeeze the average person out.
I have to say, I'm not really in favore of IP bans. It can lead to things like internet cafes beeing banned becouse of users assness. Also, even though there being asses, they should still be able to voice there opinion.
It's more the voatbotting and false flaging that I am conserned about. Sure they can come back if they are kicked out but so can we. If they start banning IP addresses then if they get someone kicked out unfearly they will not be able to come back ether.
Another reason why an IP ban would fail, you disconnect and reconnect your wireless router with some ISPs and your IP changes (mine does and since i have a dodgy router and a server on here it's very annoying)
@DonExodus2 In the UAE where i am i think about 1000 people share the same IP address. I am not allowed to make a wikipedia account because it told me i vandalised Israel's page, which i didn't. And i don't think that accounts should be banned for being racist, but i really hate it when stupid creationists flag videos simply because it disagrees with them. Nothing gets me more angry.
I think 90% of the attacks are probably one person. How many people are there out there motivated enough to make a slew of sock accounts and log out and in and out again just to one star someone's video? My guess is all this trouble is one or two losers in their mother's basement.
theDracoIX : You are wrong!!! Youtube sells advertising space. DonExodus2 and others who make videos create content for free that draws viewers. Without those of us who make videos no one would ever visit the site and the advertising space would be worthless. They should provide some support for the video makers. Without them they have nothing to sell.
Youtube doesn't get that much from advertising actually, "doesn't get that much" means they're losing money, they don't get enough back from adverts as they spend on servers and electricity because everyone nowadays has adblockers and even then no one clicks adverts.
Adds appear as a box on the top of the youtube home page. They can be closed. They also appear as links at the bottom of some videos. They to can be closed. My 9 year old just showed me how to do that. Very humbling. I'm not sure why they're not on all videos. It may be just on partner videos. Keep an eye out, you'll see.
not really, when the ToS states you're only allowed 1 account on YouTube and the person has several, then closing all, but 1 of that persons account is not censorship, nor is closing all his (or hers) accounts for that matter
Youtube is free service. Advertisers are the true customers since they pay the bills. YT is world within a world. If you want the police to enforce the rules then you are going to have to pay someone to do so. I don't think YT wants to get into the squabbles between users but wishes to create a safe environment for its advertisers.
YT should offer paid support. If you pay for support they will help you if you have issues.
How many companies use YT as free web hosting for its videos?
Unfortunately, the BBB may not give you the answer you're looking for. Also, YouTube isn't exactly turning an oil-sized profit (or any profit if nothing's changed since I last checked), so the feasibility of implementing a lot of these changes may be nil. I'm not defending the current situation, nor the lack of a solution. But pursuing a solution may result in no YouTube at all. And believe me when I say that's not an exaggerated expectation.
Yes and IP ban would only solve it for those with dynamic ISP. You can refresh IP in windows XP by manually changing address to 0.0.0.0 then changing it back to automatic.
I put up a video re a girl being beaten in swat valley by the taliban ..with text i added at the beginning & at the end with a john lennon song playing in the back ground..serve yourself.. the text at the end ..was if this represented a god ..then god can fuck off
It got removed ..who knows y ..it wasn't the music or 4 the girl being beaten or her screams ..it was 4 my disrespect 4 religion..Well i am entitled 2 my opinion
In an attempt to convey as much information as possible with the limited amount of text allowed by youtube i have had to substitute some numerals for text
This is using my intelligence to over come a difficulty & i find myself being criticised by a moron.
Therefore as 99.99% of people have no problem with this regarding the substitution perhaps it is you who needs 2 attend day school for at he very least, to learn some civilised manners ...
Theres a slight problem here in that since youtube is a private company, they are not obligated to not censor your videos. As you say, you could make a complaint to the effect that youtube is impossible to contact, and that there really is no means to get a hold of them whatsoever.
The fact that youtube is a free service really gives them no obligation towards users - only towards advertisers.
I'm sorry to be a pain in the ass but which is the video where donexodus2 shows survey results of whether people believe snow flake crystalization takes place? If any of you can remember please reply.
That's the reason why I'm not supporting Don's efforts to get the BBB involved. Don't get me wrong, it's a different approach to get them to stop dicking around and fix some problems. But we see proof that YouTube doesn't give a flying fuck about the BBB.
YouTube doesn't even have a business model so I don't see what the better business bureau is supposed to do about it. There is no sense in which you are a customer. You're a user of a free service, and you use it with no guarantees.
The moral highground is lame. Just flag creationist videos back. At least it would make things interesting.
> "So to fix it we should make the problem worse?"
Well....one possible way of stopping false flagging would be to clog the system to such a degree that YouTube would just disable the flagging function completely.
It's not the best solution, but it is *A* Solution.
I knew something like this would happen ever since your " Questions for people who don't accept evolution" video, since the creationist(s) tried to silence you.
It's not that YouTube doesn't want him as a customer, it's that the automated system that runs YouTube doesn't know or care what happens to anyone who posts here.
As for the pride issue: if he had no pride, he wouldn't be sticking up for himself. And he deserves to. Because he's in the right.
An IP ban would not "work very well on many." Any person that knows how to create/use automated votebots knows exactly how to use a web proxy. Hell, no setup is even required... they can just go to one of those web anonymizer sites, plug in the Youtube URL and that's it. It's not going to stop anything.
hey everyone i have a great idea...dpr could pay a 500 to 1,000 pound fine for being a repeat offender on youtube, then youtube could donate the fine to the childrens hospital. well???
Yeah, the only other option I can think of is to call Google, press 0, #, * or whatever to get a person, then ask for the contact information for YouTube or to be transferred to their YouTube department.
If YouTube purposely has no customer support, as it obviously doesn't, BBB is the best shot you really have unluckily.
Other options would be to go to a conference google reps would be at, and blogging or getting Matt Cutts to blog about it is another option.
i know you said that retaliation from youtube is very unlikely but i downloaded this vid and its on stand by to go up on my channel should yours be censored or deleted. i just really don't trust youtube.
Boycott YouTube. Go to Film Rokie. CLick on the Ads there. When you tube sees that we're giving money to another site, they'll be more open to change.
You Tube will continue down the road to mediocrity and market populism, while ignoring that which put them on the map, the creative and vibrant users comunity. They will be replaced soon by a site that is more open, less commercialized and more responsive to their users and posters. imho
I think that youtube is more than likely deliberately ignoring issues such as this.
It sucks i know, but they must have so so much shit to deal with from people AROUND THE PLANET, so why would they want to concern themselves with a very touchy and inflammatory issue such as this.
The video makes a good point, and these changes would be awesome, yet i fear youtube ain't coming near this conflict.
I think Thunderf00t should refer his legions of subscribers to another media forum. We can all congregate there. Perhaps the only way to get Youtube to change is to leave.
An IP ban wouldn't neccesarrily take care of the problem. Since the internet uses DHCP all a person has to do is unplug their computer for a few minutes or put in a renew ip command and they ban doesn't work anymore. What youtube needs to do is ban MAC addresses.
The internet in itself doesn't use DHCP but a single ISP might and MAC addresses despite popular belief can be spoofed and changed. There's also the problem of large portions of the world being behind NATs. Many universities, companies and so on are behind NATs. Worse yet there are entire country's NATed like Qatar. What they could be doing however is vote pattern analysis as the vote bots shoudn't exibit the same pattern as a crowd of humans.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Check out my vids, i have destroyed all of tf00ts and dprjones's arguments. took a long time but yeah get owned. the evolution argument is flawed on SOOOOOO many lvls
I honestly think there may be trolls just to frame religious people of such disruption, and I can see how YT would give flaggers the benefit of doubt as videos that MIGHT be harmful are better to be falsely flagged than unflagged.
Best solution? EXODUS, find a better place, vimeo, liveleak, metacafe, blip...etc.
i agree that this is a problem but an ip ban is absolutely not a sulution to people creating new counts. most people have dhcp so disconnecting and reconnecting your router would get around an ip block. VVIZARD0 also points to a legitimate reason why ip bans are not god in general and not in this case either. beside that i like you’re videos keep up the good work.
jovaha 7 months ago
@jovaha Reseting the router would only change your internal ip address. I have several port forwards set up using my external ip and have reset my router many times and nothing has changed
XxSequndaEtapaXx 3 months ago
i'm in college dorm, and 3000 of us share one IP over NAT device so IP ban would suck
VVIZARD0 9 months ago
How about uploading it on other sites about ten times over on each? As I have heard from ZOMGitsCriss, once her video was flagged and censored it was uploaded on other sites like 300 sites. Make your videos go viral.
18randa 10 months ago
Thumbs up if you want IP bans!! s'great idea. Let's see how many new computers those crazies can afford to continue trolling :P
OowlL 1 year ago
enough is enough! youtube has been getting away with abusing users long enough. i just got bulk mailed on appeal that all of the INSTRUMENTALS in my channel "violate community standards!" (not copyrights).
as individuals, youtube can afford to ignore us like the faceless corporation it is, but we WILL have a say if the THOUSANDS of us whose free speech has been violated UNITE!
let's start a class action lawsuit! pass the word, it's time to be heard! fight the conspirators using THEIR methods
djgambitron 1 year ago
first time i seen this vid and lol the votebots have not stopped because we have not stopped trying to educate people
patrickledford420 1 year ago
Love your video. I contacted one time the Business Bureau and they helped me very well. The complain was about other company and the made this company to apologized. lol
Pattty3 1 year ago
Love your video.
Pattty3 1 year ago
Thank you for this video. While watching the whole VFX meltdown, I kept thinking that the whole mess could have been avoided if YouTube was more responsible to it's users.
moronicnotions 2 years ago
How hard can it be to start up a grassroots campaign via Emails, PM's - to give YouTube some competition?
Get 50,000 people who are sick of YouTube's indifference to commit to MOVING their videos from YouTube, to the new site!
All we need is a GOOD NAME and some good computer-geeks!
hybridamerica 2 years ago
Just fight fire with fire until everything is flagged!
Pen81191 2 years ago 2
Somebody needs to clean out their inbox.
Guncriminal 2 years ago
Tried to help but I live in Australia and hence I can not access the BBB website due to postal code requirement.....
onyana 2 years ago
Important info. Thanks for posting.
onyana 2 years ago
Very informative video. Thanks DonExodus2.
I mean it man.
Poseidon500 2 years ago 3
Actually, no an IP ban will not block a user simply because many ISPs actually share IP addresses with all of their users and thus the IP address of the abusive person can change every couple hours. The logical solution is to block MAC addresses, which is permanently burned into the NIC and only technical users know how to mask or change.
totalnerd747 2 years ago
an even better idea.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
Blocking MAC adresses wont work
since they are NOT propagated tru/across routers.
otur1 2 years ago
lol I just checked and the Better Business Bureau says YouTube has a letter grade of F! They say the reasons are:
13 complaints filed against business
Failure to respond to 12 complaints filed against business.
You'd think this would get YouTube's attention, but I guess not.
redboypivot12 2 years ago 14
well, I'm glad I played my part in it (I did in fact send just such a form, which was approved).
Albukhshi 2 years ago
I just wish that the whole votebot tng woud stop on both sides cause it has cause a ripple effect on YT overall and people need to grow up and stop, yeah people have there right to have their own view on subjects like religion for example but togo as far as to do the votebot thing. both sides need to wake up and figure out who is doing it and to stop them and stop the silly accusations already . why don't you two groups work together and find out hwo done it and bring all the proof to YT?
MrHappybunny1 2 years ago
The only here is that the BBB is only for the US and Canada, I'm not sure if there is an equivalent company for UK and Ireland. I've been false flagged myself recently, I cannot believe how much of a playground YT is for cyber bullies and haters. It's disgusting.
VisionGhostPoet 2 years ago 2
dude i absolutely love your videos they mke me think and want to learn again
AnarchisticAttitude 2 years ago 2
The funny thing is that YouTube claims that they review all flagged videos, when they obviously do not. And you are so right--the infuriating thing is that YouTube gives all the power to the false flaggers and none to the victims.
But please don't think that false flagging is limited to theists.
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago 2
I filled out the form took no time at all.I hope it helps. <3
~Rachael~
Summer309 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You have a very high opinion of yourself and your work.
How does one acquire such a level of self confidence?
prettyblueplanet 2 years ago
twenty thousand subscriptions would help with having confidence in one's work I guess.
BaileysBeads 2 years ago 3
he is a fucking doctor.
Nivlac1982 2 years ago 3
Hey dude if one knows what one is talking about the way this guy does then one deserves to have confidence,
upplsuckimcool16 2 years ago 5
He's not alone.
PT109Boat 2 years ago 2
@prettyblueplanet because hes fucking smart and knows his shit and is tired of creationist/religious bullshit on youtube
patrickledford420 1 year ago
oh fuck i accidentally clicked one star how do i undo
ribbonwing 2 years ago
just go back and rate 5 stars. otherwise, you can't undo it-only cancel it out.
I accidently did so more than once, because of my poor mouse, so I ought to know :P
Albukhshi 2 years ago
On another note, the BBB probably IS the best solution to this problem. Just how to get through to them is the ultimate trick. Another great video, Don.
Danny123456789009876 2 years ago
the best solution is sheer numbers. its not a guarantee, however.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
Users don't pay subscription services therefore little or nothing will get done. The adverts call the shots....and all they care about is having their ad on the main page, and in their OWN videos.
Danny123456789009876 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
this video has sexual content, FLAGGED!!
har818 2 years ago
Good video DE, yes its infuriating that YT has offered no means for users to fight back against votebots and flaggers trying to shut down their accounts.
I've seen it happen often to great users who never broke the rules but still got suspended or had videos deleted. The worse part is not being able to speak to YT customer service since there isn't any.
Another option might be to contact politicians with some influence that can try to deal directly with YT and get their policies changed.
iPashaBella 2 years ago
"The worse part is not being able to speak to YT customer service since there isn't any."
I'm surprised that no one has posted their San Bruno headquarters telephone number... not like it's unlisted.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
Dude you need to clean out your inbox.
jrparri 2 years ago
just drink the hemlock
upshall 2 years ago
by the way, i liked your video Don
keep it up :D
thepoison1627 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
CALL 1-800-WHO-GIVES-A-FUCK
smartarse001 2 years ago
That phone number is too long. All I got was a "Please hang up and dial again" message.
AndroidAR 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I flagged you for sexual content :)
Qbeck01 2 years ago
Don, the problem with complaining to BBB is that YT is free. Had we sent Google/UT money for services rendered, we would have a far greater capacity to be taken seriously. YT can say, "hey, if you don't like our terms for this free service, go somewhere else", and we non-paying users have no legal recourse.
Copyright and obscenity laws are what drives YouTube's need for a FLAG button. You'd be far better off advocating a change in those outdated and biased laws than complaining to the BBB.
InReasonWeTrust 2 years ago 4
Actually, its not that simple. Youtube needs traffic to exist as they live of that traffic to be commercial consumers. As such, they are under the same regulation as any company when they show any commercial, and they are liable for any method they use to gain more traffic. In turn, without the customers activity their traffic would go down. They are therefore liable for their customers as well, in a court of law. In theory, everything I do on youtube is a part of their company platform.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago 3
cont.
Taken to its extreme, if we do anything, like violating the law by uploading pornography or such, youtube is actually liable as they made it possible.
So if we where to start talking about rights and laws, lets take it both ways, shall we? They would need to censure every video until a team of lawyers appoved it. xD
Making it even worse, they opperate here in Norway. As such, they must submit to our laws. 8D
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
I was tempted to flag this video - just for kicks. Good idea.
Louisscruz 2 years ago
the big problem in your theory: the mistaken idea that we are youtube's customers. we aren't. we do not pay youtube for its services, therefore youtube has no obligation toward us. youtube's customers are its advertisers. we, the consumers, are the commodity being sold.
which, of course, is not to say that youtube isn't being an ass and shouldn't so something about this. but this isn't exactly the sort of situation you imply.
sarahsbooks 2 years ago
Who's going to see the ads if their users stop using their site?
Notorious1441 2 years ago 2
I just got a response from BBB:
*** This complaint has been closed. If you have more information to provide to the bureau regarding this complaint, please click here. ***
Here is the URL of the complaint:
goldengate[dot]app[dot]bbb[dot]org/complaint/new/0000198283
YouTube is not a member of BBB, so all it can do is leave a message for the contact at YouTube. We all know that YouTube never returns phonecalls or emails. The BBB cannot get through to a human either.
Walabio 2 years ago
But Google probably is, maybe the complaint should be directed at them. But then again I think YouTube is an independent subsidiary of Google, so I don't know if that would do any good.
rkrobol 2 years ago
Whoa, check out 0:25, DonExodus has tons of messages in his mailbox. No wonder he never responded to my question.
underpantssquirrel 2 years ago
Cont... This absolutely is a problem with services that are policed by anon users of the community services. I've seen the problem of flagging on Craigslist out of control at times, with much false flagging, and little to no feedback from CL staff regarding this when I inquired. As long as there are sufficient users to generate advertisers that drive their revenue, it seems some of these services are happy to stay the course.
(previous comment deleted due to typo, corrected here.)
rich0319726 2 years ago
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rich0319726 2 years ago
Interesting vid, some comments pro & con:
1. I.P bans don't work, very easy to get around.
2. How about sending certified return receipt mail directly to YouTube & Google Offices to contact them?
3. The term "whistleblower", refers to employees of a company, not users of a free subscription service. I suspect people have little legal recourse should YT terminate your account.
4. Does YT care what the BBB thinks? YT know's the level of customer service, or lack of it, they provide.
rich0319726 2 years ago
This is the problem with systems that rely on community policing, the nutjobs with no lives to censor based on their idiotic standards. I think this will lead to youtube fading compared to competitors over time if it doesn't figure out ways to correct this.
visigothsatthegates 2 years ago 2
I went to the BBB once,
I ask them if the recommended companys, they said Yes.
I told them that when a person calls and asks about company XYZ, Tell them the company SUCKS.
They said they would help fix tings up, I said No, just tell people the truth !
Thay said the is NOT THE WAY WE WORK !
gregrutz 2 years ago
lalalal
princeofexcess 2 years ago
damn youtueb comments broken again thye should fix that
princeofexcess 2 years ago
Why not just boycott? There have to be alternatives to YouTube. It has obviously gotten so big that they don't care if people are unhappy. They're just going to continue laughing their way to the bank.
Jakneife 2 years ago
lol "now for your moment of zen" LMFAO
Azzaiel 2 years ago
IP bans are heavy-handed and cannot be used by YouTube because rotating IPs will catch innocent people.
For (email) spamming, many people say "ban IPs" and then they start to say "ban subnets" .. it ends up with "ban that country" which is a Bad idea.
sy1234 2 years ago
Filed.
rathikari 2 years ago
Heh.
It means Venom, or his minions, haven't learned anything from the Thunderf00t experience.
What did we expect though? They just quickly vindicate their base primate behavior by saying their invisible friend told them it was OK.
CO2Junkie 2 years ago 2
funny video like this always allow all comment to be post,even the bad one.while christian will filter their comment or just disable it.
jojoinhere 2 years ago
keep up the good work , brother.
the creationists have no other argument than to try to censor the views that aren't in line with their own.
sabretooth209 2 years ago
I filed a complaint with the BBB.
Walabio 2 years ago
1482 new things in inbox.. dude, serioulsy. I get like.. 4 a week.
I haven't been on very much coz my laptop died so I'm not aware of all the shitty flagging and suspending that has been going on. Makes me depressed...
pienipaha 2 years ago
...............
smile01101010bomb 2 years ago
Hmmm..very interesting.
I agree with Disthron about IP bans not being a good solution. Maybe flagging in general should be removed as it is constantly being abused. If a person violates the TOS or has a channel with obscene content the decision to remove this person from the youtube community should be done by the community itself. Any idiot can flag a video but it takes an informed and intelligent individual to take place in a discourse on why a certain user should be banned.
LTS1287 2 years ago
thanks for very informative video. i have noticed that in some domains youtube was very confusing. flagging is one of them.
NakamuraMondo08 2 years ago
That's one tight fish at 8:30, i like it
mathmexican4234 2 years ago
I'm sorry but complaining through the BBB is pointless too. If you look up Youtube there and look at their ratings the BBB says that they have requested information from Youtube and YT has not responded. YT doesn't pay attention to them either. I think they are allowing this stuff to happen to drive away people so they have an excuse to make major changes that squeeze the average person out.
EyesInTheNight 2 years ago
haha the picture at 7:57 was well distracting.
it's a good idea, we really need to get youtube to listen to us, this has gone on for long enough now!
popeyroach 2 years ago
Part of the video and audio was missing.
daddyrizla 2 years ago
IP ban is useless, there are better options
NoCryingNowYes 2 years ago 2
I have to say, I'm not really in favore of IP bans. It can lead to things like internet cafes beeing banned becouse of users assness. Also, even though there being asses, they should still be able to voice there opinion.
It's more the voatbotting and false flaging that I am conserned about. Sure they can come back if they are kicked out but so can we. If they start banning IP addresses then if they get someone kicked out unfearly they will not be able to come back ether.
Disthron 2 years ago
wow look at how nay messages he gets O_O
0:20
TheAtheistTEEN 2 years ago
i used to be able to label comments as NOT SPAM, and it used to work quite well.
But i noticed the NOT SPAM button stopped working a few weeks/months ago.
roidroid 2 years ago
An IP ban would limit my household to 1 account. Five of us live here...
How about, as well as having a flag link, have an un-flag link.
UKLooney 2 years ago
bump for agreeance.
Brettah31 2 years ago
thats a Lot of messages up there, also im subbing.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 2 years ago
A "report false flagging" would be nice.
RevnaVarea 2 years ago
Some of us using certain service providers will have the same IP as other people - hence an IP ban could catch the innocent as well as the guilty.
stevebritgimp 2 years ago 2
Simply using the same ISP does not give you the same IP...
DonExodus2 2 years ago
Another reason why an IP ban would fail, you disconnect and reconnect your wireless router with some ISPs and your IP changes (mine does and since i have a dodgy router and a server on here it's very annoying)
drspangle13 2 years ago 2
@DonExodus2 In the UAE where i am i think about 1000 people share the same IP address. I am not allowed to make a wikipedia account because it told me i vandalised Israel's page, which i didn't. And i don't think that accounts should be banned for being racist, but i really hate it when stupid creationists flag videos simply because it disagrees with them. Nothing gets me more angry.
procritic09 1 year ago
1-2-3-4 I DECLARE A YOUTUBE WAR.
hpufo 2 years ago
"A simple IP ban or 2 nanoseconds worth of effort would mitigate this."
Oh you're so naive it's cute.
ConstantlyQuestion 2 years ago
90% of the attacks happen by computer illiterate trolls who stop after 2 days.
An IP ban is perfect for them.
DonExodus2 2 years ago 2
I think 90% of the attacks are probably one person. How many people are there out there motivated enough to make a slew of sock accounts and log out and in and out again just to one star someone's video? My guess is all this trouble is one or two losers in their mother's basement.
Who knows though.
ConstantlyQuestion 2 years ago
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Welcome to the New World Order, bitch. I hope you like it Don - seeing as how these are the same demons you side with.
I'm going to LOL when yer channel gets deleted, hahahaha.
Why would YT have support?! They don't sell shit - you don't give them money. Get over it - they can take down every video if they want to.
theDracoIX 2 years ago
theDracoIX - So you like censoring?
In that case, what's stopping me from reporting you to youtube and making them ban your IP address?
themanwhoknew 2 years ago
Of course he loves censorship, hes a creotard.
DonExodus2 2 years ago
Also, the NWO isnt comprised of morons, such as yourself.
DonExodus2 2 years ago
theDracoIX : You are wrong!!! Youtube sells advertising space. DonExodus2 and others who make videos create content for free that draws viewers. Without those of us who make videos no one would ever visit the site and the advertising space would be worthless. They should provide some support for the video makers. Without them they have nothing to sell.
insightnew 2 years ago
Youtube doesn't get that much from advertising actually, "doesn't get that much" means they're losing money, they don't get enough back from adverts as they spend on servers and electricity because everyone nowadays has adblockers and even then no one clicks adverts.
drspangle13 2 years ago
I've never seen an ad on youtube
vgerdj 2 years ago
Adds appear as a box on the top of the youtube home page. They can be closed. They also appear as links at the bottom of some videos. They to can be closed. My 9 year old just showed me how to do that. Very humbling. I'm not sure why they're not on all videos. It may be just on partner videos. Keep an eye out, you'll see.
insightnew 2 years ago
thanks, I use adblock plus , and it seems to work.
vgerdj 2 years ago
Is there an equivalent for people who don't live in a country with a zip or postal code?
1916Saoirse1922 2 years ago
If YOU, sir, have been flagged and votebotted, the problem is even worse that I thought.
You, so moderate, flagged???? WTF...
arsenelupin123 2 years ago
Fuck youtube, we don't need to bend over to a bunch of Google rejects. There must be a better alternative.
rc232 2 years ago
Closing down the accounts of abusive people is itself censorship...
Yakovich 2 years ago
not really, when the ToS states you're only allowed 1 account on YouTube and the person has several, then closing all, but 1 of that persons account is not censorship, nor is closing all his (or hers) accounts for that matter
mhrby1985 2 years ago
Youtube is free service. Advertisers are the true customers since they pay the bills. YT is world within a world. If you want the police to enforce the rules then you are going to have to pay someone to do so. I don't think YT wants to get into the squabbles between users but wishes to create a safe environment for its advertisers.
YT should offer paid support. If you pay for support they will help you if you have issues.
How many companies use YT as free web hosting for its videos?
jdquarg 2 years ago
Unfortunately, the BBB may not give you the answer you're looking for. Also, YouTube isn't exactly turning an oil-sized profit (or any profit if nothing's changed since I last checked), so the feasibility of implementing a lot of these changes may be nil. I'm not defending the current situation, nor the lack of a solution. But pursuing a solution may result in no YouTube at all. And believe me when I say that's not an exaggerated expectation.
Kaiouss 2 years ago
FuckMyLifeVideo 2 years ago
LMAO 1482 new messages!!!!!
glad im not a vlogger
DisforDubby 2 years ago 2
Yes and IP ban would only solve it for those with dynamic ISP. You can refresh IP in windows XP by manually changing address to 0.0.0.0 then changing it back to automatic.
sypher113 2 years ago
by would only... i mean wouldn't...
sypher113 2 years ago
Or unplug your router
Sqirril 2 years ago
Youtube runs at a LOSS. Income from advertisimg is less than the hosting cost.
It's not surprising that they chose not to pay people to answer the phone, or manually check flaggings.
Paulginz 2 years ago
Once again the moment of zen was priceless
Iacrodgers 2 years ago
I put up a video re a girl being beaten in swat valley by the taliban ..with text i added at the beginning & at the end with a john lennon song playing in the back ground..serve yourself.. the text at the end ..was if this represented a god ..then god can fuck off
It got removed ..who knows y ..it wasn't the music or 4 the girl being beaten or her screams ..it was 4 my disrespect 4 religion..Well i am entitled 2 my opinion
it's freedom of speech ..except ..on youtube
judge & jury & executioner
mylampstand 2 years ago
I agree with you. But I simply can't take you seriously when you use numbers as words.
This is the internet, not day care.
Lonereapr 2 years ago
In an attempt to convey as much information as possible with the limited amount of text allowed by youtube i have had to substitute some numerals for text
This is using my intelligence to over come a difficulty & i find myself being criticised by a moron.
Therefore as 99.99% of people have no problem with this regarding the substitution perhaps it is you who needs 2 attend day school for at he very least, to learn some civilised manners ...
Thicky
Yours insincerely
mylampstand..
btw
Get a life
mylampstand 2 years ago
I'm in sarcasmic shock.
sypher113 2 years ago
Are you enjoying it & would you like some more ..
lol
mylampstand 2 years ago
You have no rights with big business
they make all their own rules up ..& u have no say what so ever..dictators rule here
This is big business ..u ain't got no rights
If u think this will change your wasting your time
utube don't want u on here ..they want u gone .they don't earn money from u
they have set it up ..so the accounts can be shut down ..they want u all off here
Surely u understand that
The original people who set up youtube sold us down the river ..they took the money & ran
mylampstand 2 years ago
Theres a slight problem here in that since youtube is a private company, they are not obligated to not censor your videos. As you say, you could make a complaint to the effect that youtube is impossible to contact, and that there really is no means to get a hold of them whatsoever.
The fact that youtube is a free service really gives them no obligation towards users - only towards advertisers.
Ormaaj 2 years ago
I honestly did not know that that is what the BBB does. I think i may check that out. Thanks.
Ormaaj 2 years ago
Woohoo dprjones returns! I was in such a bad mood and now its gone.
nakedapedude 2 years ago
On a similar note of sock puppet accounts, FrankReturns is now FrankPolitics.
xavierartorivs 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
omg type: 1 boy 1 cake (shit cake) into youtube! so gross!
omg type: 1 boy 1 cake (shit cake) into youtube! so gross!
omg type: 1 boy 1 cake (shit cake) into youtube! so gross!
omg type: 1 boy 1 cake (shit cake) into youtube! so gross!
frankypa87 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
hi
good video
khasruabid 2 years ago
Dprjones' original account is backup.
maciolek1980 2 years ago
Goodie gump drops!
Thanks for all the support - to ALL of you!
dprjones 2 years ago 2
I'm sorry to be a pain in the ass but which is the video where donexodus2 shows survey results of whether people believe snow flake crystalization takes place? If any of you can remember please reply.
Thanks in advance.
bawokoroma 2 years ago
it's called Putting Creationism Into Perspective
maciolek1980 2 years ago
I went to the Better Business Bureau site, and here is their assessment of YouTube:
"Based on BBB files, YouTube, Inc. has a BBB Rating of F."
They've received 9 complaints in the last 3 years, 8 of which were completely ignored by YouTube.
How the fuck is a company this big able to get away with being so irresponsible? It's unheard of! The BBB gave them a fucking F!!!
SashaNein 2 years ago
It is youtube doing the censoring, duh.
tartsphere 2 years ago
That's the reason why I'm not supporting Don's efforts to get the BBB involved. Don't get me wrong, it's a different approach to get them to stop dicking around and fix some problems. But we see proof that YouTube doesn't give a flying fuck about the BBB.
JBSauce 2 years ago
Dprjones is back, everyone. Youtube got their shit straight and reinstated his channel.
Yell loud enough and they will hear.
ThePsychoReturns 2 years ago 4
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A FUCK, no1 gives 1
6The6Beast6 2 years ago
A BRAIN, you dont have 1.
DonExodus2 2 years ago
What a surprise, the wild west has no law.
YouTube doesn't even have a business model so I don't see what the better business bureau is supposed to do about it. There is no sense in which you are a customer. You're a user of a free service, and you use it with no guarantees.
The moral highground is lame. Just flag creationist videos back. At least it would make things interesting.
fratleyiskewl 2 years ago
So to fix it we should make the problem worse?
JustAnotherMutant 2 years ago
> "So to fix it we should make the problem worse?"
Well....one possible way of stopping false flagging would be to clog the system to such a degree that YouTube would just disable the flagging function completely.
It's not the best solution, but it is *A* Solution.
Not endorsing it, just acknowledging it.
LordCustos3 2 years ago
dpr here is not 20 question's but 4
1/ were you told you were suspended from youtube...yes or no
2/ were you told you couldn't have any other youtube accounts...yes or no
3/were you told your suspension was permanent ....yes or no
4/ are you reapeat offending by being on youtube....yes or no
special137 2 years ago
1/ No.
(He found out about his suspension by trying to log into his account and finding himself locked out.)
2/ Yes
He already had a backup account for just such emergencies. and no, the dprjoneslives account had not been suspended.
3/ Yes.
Not that it matters. His account has been reinstated.
4/ Yes
The policy is broken and enforced unjustly. Unjust laws are meant to be broken and overthrown.
LordCustos3 2 years ago
Yet you can just get all of 4chan to launch an attack again and kill youtube :P
pnx031 2 years ago
I knew something like this would happen ever since your " Questions for people who don't accept evolution" video, since the creationist(s) tried to silence you.
Thothsglyphs 2 years ago
yes he was thrown out, has he no pride, if youtube told me i was not wanted as a customer on their site i wouldn't come back, dpr as no pride though
special137 2 years ago
It's not that YouTube doesn't want him as a customer, it's that the automated system that runs YouTube doesn't know or care what happens to anyone who posts here.
As for the pride issue: if he had no pride, he wouldn't be sticking up for himself. And he deserves to. Because he's in the right.
LordCustos3 2 years ago
I think you mean a "modicum" of competence.
machomaas 2 years ago
An IP ban would not "work very well on many." Any person that knows how to create/use automated votebots knows exactly how to use a web proxy. Hell, no setup is even required... they can just go to one of those web anonymizer sites, plug in the Youtube URL and that's it. It's not going to stop anything.
vickmackey24 2 years ago
hey everyone i have a great idea...dpr could pay a 500 to 1,000 pound fine for being a repeat offender on youtube, then youtube could donate the fine to the childrens hospital. well???
special137 2 years ago
Special here seems to be a real "special person"...
IamOutOfNames 2 years ago
Yeah, the only other option I can think of is to call Google, press 0, #, * or whatever to get a person, then ask for the contact information for YouTube or to be transferred to their YouTube department.
If YouTube purposely has no customer support, as it obviously doesn't, BBB is the best shot you really have unluckily.
Other options would be to go to a conference google reps would be at, and blogging or getting Matt Cutts to blog about it is another option.
nidodson 2 years ago
i know you said that retaliation from youtube is very unlikely but i downloaded this vid and its on stand by to go up on my channel should yours be censored or deleted. i just really don't trust youtube.
Ravinar 2 years ago
Unfortunately, an IP ban would be easily circumvented through proxy servers.
Chaotischesneutrales 2 years ago
Further more, until the flagging system isn't flawless, an IP ban can easily turn against fair users. Worst idea possible!
yetwistedbastards 2 years ago
Boycott YouTube. Go to Film Rokie. CLick on the Ads there. When you tube sees that we're giving money to another site, they'll be more open to change.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
Don your videos are awesome. Logic and reason!
jimrbsn 2 years ago
Awesome vid as always DonEx2!
Paxmax 2 years ago
Haha the German ad at the end is just awesome^^
I'm German and I hate when other Germans can't say the 'TH' :D
Great vid btw.
XQlusiveProductions 2 years ago
blood brain barrier? oh wait better business bureau
ryanomaly84 2 years ago
You Tube will continue down the road to mediocrity and market populism, while ignoring that which put them on the map, the creative and vibrant users comunity. They will be replaced soon by a site that is more open, less commercialized and more responsive to their users and posters. imho
TZ3k 2 years ago 2
intill the site of witch you speak turns into youtube in witch case well will all move to the next more open site and so on and so forth
Gormok11 2 years ago 2
I think that youtube is more than likely deliberately ignoring issues such as this.
It sucks i know, but they must have so so much shit to deal with from people AROUND THE PLANET, so why would they want to concern themselves with a very touchy and inflammatory issue such as this.
The video makes a good point, and these changes would be awesome, yet i fear youtube ain't coming near this conflict.
JonasC22 2 years ago
Send emails to dmca at yt, they work alot better for unfair flagging removed.
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
I think Thunderf00t should refer his legions of subscribers to another media forum. We can all congregate there. Perhaps the only way to get Youtube to change is to leave.
willpoire 2 years ago 3
I have my own ideas concerning leaving YT. Any developers out there?
630633 2 years ago
Good question.
Get a half decent forum and I'm there. Fuck youtube.
willpoire 2 years ago
An IP ban wouldn't neccesarrily take care of the problem. Since the internet uses DHCP all a person has to do is unplug their computer for a few minutes or put in a renew ip command and they ban doesn't work anymore. What youtube needs to do is ban MAC addresses.
aloric645 2 years ago
The internet in itself doesn't use DHCP but a single ISP might and MAC addresses despite popular belief can be spoofed and changed. There's also the problem of large portions of the world being behind NATs. Many universities, companies and so on are behind NATs. Worse yet there are entire country's NATed like Qatar. What they could be doing however is vote pattern analysis as the vote bots shoudn't exibit the same pattern as a crowd of humans.
kitsunde 2 years ago
@aloric645] MAC addresses aren't visible over the Internet.
Glassorchids 2 years ago
finally, a way to laodge a formal complaint about youtube.
thanks DonExodus-I went ahead and filed.
Albukhshi 2 years ago 2
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Check out my vids, i have destroyed all of tf00ts and dprjones's arguments. took a long time but yeah get owned. the evolution argument is flawed on SOOOOOO many lvls
H3Serpent 2 years ago
"took a long time"
WOW you did all that research yourself?
LOL
Hard to make a video with stupid creationist claims?
gorilla199uncensored 2 years ago
I honestly think there may be trolls just to frame religious people of such disruption, and I can see how YT would give flaggers the benefit of doubt as videos that MIGHT be harmful are better to be falsely flagged than unflagged.
Best solution? EXODUS, find a better place, vimeo, liveleak, metacafe, blip...etc.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
I am filing the complaint right now.
sithlord717 2 years ago