Look at it this way... if one spends the money to maintain their vehicle it will last longer and expensive repairs are far less likely. It's cheaper to chage your oil frequently that to rebuild your engine.
Rand Paul is a sociopathic hypocrite who is a Teabagger to the core. Total denial of facts is his status quo. He is either very stupid or very dishonest... I believe the latter. There are far more elderly than ever before per capita due to better health care and that does put a strain on social systems but that is simply something we must deal with. The selfish attitudes of too many Americans disgusts me. If corporations and the 1% paid their fair share we wouldn't be in this fiscal mud.
Why is everything with Rand Paul a slippery slope? Why can't we just do things on a case-by-case basis? It's the best way to handle things anyway, there are different variables in each case, and he says that he thinks that private charity should do the brunt of the work, where are they now? Would we need the gov't to do this if they did behave as you said?
Need is not a legitimate moral claim on the rights of someone else. If someone needs healthcare, that is not a claim to get the government to force someone else to provide it. Read Ayn Rand.
Many Republicans would rather that senior citizen just die so nobody would have to deal with them or pay for their treatments. It's a very callous approach to this problem. They'd have no problem saying that your dear old grandmother has to go without, but when it comes to their grandparents, no expense is spared.
Paul made sense if we give 2 billion and that saves money Why dont we just give 20 billion and save a lot more But the truth is the govt cant then that means the US dollar is toilet paper.. And no more money will be left for creating Jobs Mr. Sanders
Paul made sense if we give 2 billion and that saves money Why dont we just give 20 billion and save a lot more But the truth is the govt cant then that means the US dollar is toilet paper.. And no more money will be left for creating Jobs Mr. Sanders
Ron Paul and his idiot son aren't worth research.All the idiotic statements that both of them have made over the years speak for themselves.You fucking Ronbots with the tin hats and paranoia need to research history and perhaps a little mental health visit wouldn.t hurt either.
Respond to this video... Paul makes a good point if the feds is saving money by giving 2 billions dollars why dont they just give 20 billion dollars. But then the dollar would inflate more. No money for job programs and so on. Well if that what Sanders out call the FED and tell them to print more money and we will pay it back in higher taxes.
I agree, I'm ashamed to say I grew up in Kentucky because of that son-of-a-bitch. I love Bernie, I wish more people in Goverment were like him. And when i'm old enough to vote, you can bet I am not voting for Rand Paul..!
pak88xdbl If Rand was sincere he'd cut his own salary and benefits. He's a total hypocrite, but because he's also antisocial you confuse that with honesty. I prefer the hypocrite who's sticking up for the old people. ..BTW I bet YOU could push an old lady off the cliff.
shevykat- you get it! We give Washington the money and then they act like they're doing us a great favor by handing out a few liberal programs sprinkled into the perks they've generously handed themselves!
What is this conversation about!!! What is taken out of your pay check every week? Yea, you are paying in to the program for social security and medicare for when you are unemployed in your old age. I don't see how Rand Paul is paying for my health care! I never hear a polotician make this point. Also, the government is not paying us out of the budget. We get our checks from the money we put in. The U.S. now owes the ssi and medicare accounts money that they borrowed.
@shevykat : Thank You! I have just been told on another Bernie video that I am bascially too old, too sick, and too poor to be allowed to exist in this country. The ignorance and soulessness are a virus that will eventually destroy the United States, unless more people like you take the time to speak up.
Senator Paul, I applaud your desire to impede rampant government spending. However, it seems to me that if you REALLY wanted to get something accomplished, you'd go after far bigger fish than this one. It makes me wonder about your actual motives.
@GreatBigBore I suspect that he is participating in the subcommittee he's been assigned. He's applying libertarian/conservative principals to the issue before him. And he is crusading against a much bigger issue, the national debt. You should look up his YT vids regarding the debt. His vote to raise the debt ceiling is contingent on a balanced budget amendment.
@pak88xbl "He's applying libertarian/conservative principals to the issue before him."
I find that a bit hard to believe. He accepted the claim that spending this money would save taxpayer dollars, but only so he could ridicule the idea. He either doesn't believe the claim, in which case he should have simply said so (catalyzing rather than inhibiting discussion), or he is being dumb, because if it saves taxpayer dollars then he should be in favor of it even if it sounds counterintuitive.
@GreatBigBore Rand doesn't accept their claim. We're looking at a selective clip here. We don't know how much Sanders and Rand have discussed. I think Rand is frustrated by Sanders' demagoguery (we can't push grandma off the cliff). Sanders wrongly believes that taxpayers "save" money by preventing health problems that become more expensive to taxpayers later. But Rand believes taxpayers should not be liable for anyone's health care period so *any* tax money spent on health care is too much.
Liberal compassion kills... both compassion and people. The Feds compete with charities. People would be willing to donate much more to charities if the Feds didn't simply STEAL the money from us. The Feds inefficiently distribute wealth to 'help' people which in turn makes us all poorer, reduces goodwill, and harms our general welfare. At some point, the liberal schizophrenia of 'forced compassion' inevitably collapses into general bankruptcy, resentment and bitterness... what we have today.
@pak88xbl Good points. Seems like we all need to be having a conversation about how we're going to restructure our governance system. I'm looking for that conversation; have you found it happening anywhere?
@GreatBigBore I'm libertarian. If you are, then you know what I'm going to say. If not, libertarians believe in nonaggression (liberals are pro-violence). If you take that premise to it's logical conclusion, you find few roles for government in society. The moral functions of government are national security and to enforce contracts. 'The government that governs least, governs best.' This was the prevailing thought when the Federal government was created when the Constitution was ratified.
@GreatBigBore I need to amend what I said. Moral functions of government include, national defense, private property rights and to allow us to be secure in our person. Enforcing contracts is consistent with these principals. As is your right not to be robbed, murdered, defrauded, or trespassed against. Many liberal desires are addressed including pollution. Libertarians consider pollution a trespass. Environmentalists want to legalize pollution via regulation.
@pak88xbl that is completely wrong. As medical expenses have become higher more and more people are getting the proper medical treatment that a first world country should receive. Private charities are fine, but they can only do so much. Also the rich are paying historically low tax rates, so based on your premise we should be seeing more more people receiving the proper care. We are not. The truth is more and more people are struggling.
@soxfan0408 "As medical expenses have become higher..." So, by that logic computers should be more expensive now since they've gotten a lot better? "Private charities are fine, but they can only do so much." Yes, and that might be enough. "Also the rich are paying historically low tax rates..." The rich don't "pay" taxes and never will. They will always pass their tax burden onto the little guy no matter the rate. "...people are struggling." Yes, but not for the reasons you believe.
@pak88xbl There was a mistake in my first point. I meant to say as expenses are getting higher people are not getting proper care. I do not think costs should be rising and I don't think the majority of people have been getting better care. However, you say that private charities "might be enough."...but the fact is they have not been even with historically low tax rates. The poverty rates have increased and many more people are having trouble getting medical care.
@soxfan0408 "... as expenses are getting higher people are not getting proper care." Gov't drives up costs. Medicare/medicaid make healthcare more costly for everyone. Remove the gov't from the equation and then private charities can be more effective. "The poverty rates have increased and many more people are having trouble getting medical care." Yes because of failed gov't policies. Gov't is destroying the middle class and has created a permanent underclass. More gov't means more poverty.
@pak88xbl that is inaccurate. Medicare expenses, which have been decreasing, are not a substantial reason for the soaring insurance costs. Part of the reason medicare was created was that the elderly were not getting the proper care. There are 15 million people over 65 and that number will increase by 2 million in the coming years. Also when LBJ implemented his war on poverty programs poverty decreased, Reagan cut those programs , poverty increased and so did wealth inequalities.
@soxfan0408 "that is inaccurate..." According to CMMS in 2009, national health cost grew 4.0%; medicare grew by 7.9% and medicaid by 9.0%. So growing more than twice as fast as private health insurance. "Part of the reason medicare was created was that the elderly were not..." And yet these programs are bankrupting the US so no one will get adequate care. "Also when LBJ implemented his war on poverty..." Uh, no. Poverty was going down but stopped with LBJ. LBJ & FDR created permanent underclass.
@pak88xbl Those percentages have increased because the number of old and sick have increased. We have a whole generation reaching retirement age and there is a higher level of poverty among the elderly than we have in decades. Also those percentages dont take into account benefits per person which was what I was talking about. Your point on LBJs policies causing poverty rates to increase is false, though he did harm the social security fund.
@soxfan0408 "Your point on LBJs policies causing poverty rates to increase is false." I didn't say that. See wikipedia 'War on poverty.' See graph next to 'Criticisms.' Poverty rates were going down *until* LBJ started the stupidity called the 'War on Poverty' (more honestly called 'War on Poor People'). Permanent underclass ever since. Epic fail like every unconstitutional, Marxist liberal initiative. And now we can all be bankrupt thanks to statists like Sanders...
@pak88xbl You're completely clueless. Yeah, private charities are going to take care of the impoverished elderly... if that were true it'd already be happening. Government is not driving up costs. Pharmacutical companies, Insurance companies and the AMA are driving up costs. I agree that the Federal government is too large and leaks money constantly but the social services are not the ones to blame. Self serving political parties and corruption are the primary causes. Tax the 1% fairly to fix it
@UncleMatt69 "Federal government is too large and leaks money." Leaks? You mean like the Fukushima tsunami? The Fed gov't has destroyed this country. It's already happened; you're too clueless to realize it. We are now all but guaranteed 3rd world standard of living because of criminals in Congress, the WH, and everyone who voted for them... you presumably one. So, thanks a lot. See what people like you have done to us... youtube.com/watch?v=XX0ENqLSbjY
@joepeeler34 Its slippery slope when Paul starts exclaiming "why don't we give you 20 billion" when the accounting for the bill suggests 2 billion is sufficient. When spending is dedicated toward alleviating the causes of a larger amount of spending in the future, its saving money. Spending money on preventative care helps prevent larger healthcare costs down the road. As for stats 25% unemployment, closure of most banks, massive deflation. Im sure the churches and free market could solve that
@MrGeorgiaray But how do we know that this spending is going to for certain mean less spending than there would have otherwise been down the road? Since when has govt. ever worked that way? The projections for govt. deficits and programs 5 and 10-years out--much less 20 or 30-years-- are often wildly off the market. I think this is because they make assumptions based on static accounting.
@MrGeorgiaray Yes, the free market would have fixed those things if we had one. If we had free market money and interest rates instead of centrally planned money and interest rates, there never would have been a bubble to begin with. It was the Fed.'s artificially low interest rates and rapid increases in the credit money supply allong with collectivized risk and govt. subsidization of housing that caused the housing bubble.
@MrGeorgiaray "Most" banks wouldn't have went under. Even if they had, other banks could and would willingly handle the other bank's former activities. Prices need to fall and the debt must be allowed to be liquidated. The Fed-created housing bubble resulted in artificially high prices. Those prices and artificially low interest rates resulted in a misallocation of labor and material resources. Prices--including wage prices--must be allowed to fall to reveal real conditions.
Also, a price deflation in the wake of credit bubble of central bank creation can be painful to many, but it is necessary medicine. The Fed and the fed. govt. have been busily trying to reflate the housing bubble, but they can control where that new credit money goes first. It has been going into commodities traded on a world market and equities. That's the main reason why commodities have gone ballistic.
Look up the other credit bubbles in our country's history. All credit bubbles saving for the ones ithat burst in 1929, 2001, and 2008 were handled the same way. Govt. cut spending and in some instances taxes. The debt was liquidated. Prices--including wage prices--were allowed to fall to real levels. Businesses retrenched while others went bankrupt. Labor and capital were reallocated to non-bubble activities. These recessions within a few years as a result.
If you get a chance, look up the Depression of 1921 on YouTube The GDP and stock market both shrank by more on a percentage basis in '21 than in '29 in the first year. The unemployment rate spiked much higher in the '21 depression. Govt. spending shrank and taxes were cut to alleviate the burden of govt. on the voluntary/productive economy.
Hoover and Roosevelt werr both progressives who were against liquidation and letting prices fall and businesses fail.
A word about deflation: A rapid price deflation in the wake of a phony credit bubble does hurt some. However, the term deflation just means that purchasing power of the money is rising. The 19th century saw falling prices and greatly increased production, prodcutivity, and standards of living. It was a deflationary boom period. From 1788 (Constitution) to 1913 (Federal Reserve Act) the purchasing power of money increased by 13%. People became accustomed to a gently falling price level.
Paul's best response is a slippery slope fallacy and a lack of respect for the process of accounting, not to mention morality. He based everything on his desire to limit government and not on practical facts that could deviate from his rigid ideology. Also, too bad all of these people forget the days when there was absolutely no welfare system at all. "Private charities" did all they could but it by no means dealt with the massive problems within society during hard times. They have no stats
@MrGeorgiaray How is it a slippery slope argument? How can pols claim that present consumption spending (it isn't investment because capital isn't being purchased to create future wealth) is savings/thrift? I think Orwell should have added one more principle to Ingsoc: Spending is Thrift.
Prove what you said about private charities and mutual-aid societies or communal hospitals. Show me the evidence. Leftists act like people don't care about their fellows. Only govt. force is compassionate.
@MrGeorgiaray It is govt. that has made many people dependent on the state. It is the Federal Reserve's fiat money that has resulted in the dollar's purchasing power falling by 70% since the early 70's. How are people supposed to save for their own retirenment when their money is relentlessly debased by the Fed?
Doesn't the welfare state point to a desire to help others? Do the human traits of reciprocation and altruism simply disappear in the absence of force?
@MrGeorgiaray Further, there wouldn't have to be nearly as much private charity dollars directed to temporarily indigent or chronically dependent people as the state directs. A lot of wealthy and well-off seniors participate in S.S. and Medicare. Many of these people can pay their own freight. There is also the problem of govt. fraud and waste of taxpayer dollars in these programs. Private charities are far more efficient and they must compete for charity dollars forcing them to be efficient.
@singledad1234 No need to curse. I think we may agree on a few points. I don't think every last one of them are bad. Sanders supports the existence of fiat paper money and the Federal Reserve. He doesn't object to the U.N., IMF, or World Bank either. He advocates a very centralized national govt. instead of a federated one where power is decentralized. He gets a few things right, but on most issues the man is a part of the problem.
I still admire Ron Paul and Rand Paul for attempting to do "something"...even though it is "nothing" really...it is much more than anyone else is doing...
The audit the fed bill in itself does nothing but shows us what our government is willing to do to compromise with crooks. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, William Mckinley and JFK would all hereby disagree with any such bill as "auditing the FED"...the people of the US will eventually get it one day....."It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." - Thomas Jefferson
He co-sponsored the bill "after" it was gutted...the bill pretty much did nothing after Sanders got finished with it. However, the fact of the matter is...nobody "audits the mafia". The Federal Reserve is a criminally ran syndicate. Congressman Louis Mcfadden made us quite aware of what the Federal Reserve really is as did Charles A. Lindbergh Sr.
@newave123456 After if had been gutted. He sold out. We didn't get a real audit. We didn't get to find out about gold swaps, manipulations in the stock market, etc. You want to talk about why seniors are stuggling then look no further than the central planners at the Fed who have created bubble after bubble and a real inflation rate of 6-10% over the last decade according to private sources. The govt.'s CPI numbers are a fraud.
Rand Paul makes a great point. Liberals can always find away to justify spending MORE money to save money. How about NOT assuming that it is the role of FEDERAL government to be everyone's caretaker?
No one audits the mafia or any criminally ran syndicate. You arrest it, and then annul its charter. The same advice Congressmen Wright Patman and Louis Mcfadden gave years ago. This country could be totally out of debt in 6 weeks if congress would just remove their head from their sphincter hole and "do the morally right thing" for the American People....Sanders is truly a laughing stock here...and Rand Paul is closer to anyone to it...that is the entire truth of the matter.
This is what they do...people like Sanders greese the skids on issues like these by pushing spending through on moral issues. These days people have to work 2 jobs even to make ends meet. The more money government spends the worst it gets. Rand Paul is so right on this issue. Plus Sanders gutted the Audit the Federal Reserve bill as well. I see no point in auditing the Federal Reserve. It is criminally ran. Tack on the housing crisis to this...you have a fantasy world Sanders is living in
My mom cared for her Alzhiemers husband for about 12 years. When she passed on I cared for him. Was it tough? yes Did it interefere with my social and church life? yes Was it stressful? yes. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely. To those of you that think it is best to send your loved ones to a nursing facility at someone els'es expense I would suggest that there is a character flaw that needs examination.
Where are the children and grandchildren of these seniors such that Mr. Sanders thinks that spending taxpayer money is cheaper than those family members taking care of them?
How sad is it that AMericans want to spend their childrens and grandchildrens future so they can not be bothered with taking care of their own family members now. The federal debt is at $45,000.00 for every man woman and child alive in the US. Anyone willing to pay their share this year? It grows daily by $17.00 dollars.
"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson....Repeal the Federal Reserve Act, buy back the stock in the amount of 144 million and then appropriate that stock to pay off our 14 trillion national debt. Get our country totally out of debt...do it now!
Sander for Prez !! One tomahawk missile cost 150 million to make 180 of them where fired at Libya guess who has to pay for them ? us the tax payers the middle class .
@MrMuddshovel Sanders is a disaster on all but a few issues. If he is so opposed to corporatism, why doesn't he object to tax breaks, subsidies, mandates, and public private partnerships for companies that produce solar, wind, electric cars, and other prodcuts that leftists apporve of? The left identify these measures as corporatism when they are understaken for so-called progressive ends. They just call it good government in that event.
@joepeeler34 sounds like you are describing Ron Paul that will do away with SSI SSD MED care and any welfare program but not Corporate welfare . Like Emron and others Fannie May etc... so no to ron paul 2012.. some of the thing he says are absurd ..
@MrMuddshovel Enron is out of business last I checked, and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are government created/sponsored entities. They are no more a product of a free market than HMO's.
I don't propose ending the social welfare state in its entirety tomorrow. It should be phased out over many years. We could start by cutting off all benefits for those who are wealthy or well-off and reducing benenfits for those with other sources of income. Age must be raised and no deceased spousal benefits.
@MrMuddshovel all those Co.and more received corporate bail out money " Welfare " during the bush and obama era of office . Billions I put into the system 25 years of work but these kids at age of 17 18 getting SSI check and nothing wrong with them isn't right . Should some one get a check for OCD ? nothing physically wrong with them?
wrong, wrong, and wrong. The cost goes up on those who aren't sick and the young so it can bring down the cost for the sickly and old. The only party that'll see it's cost go down are the old sick people. If we didn't have a socialist system, the cost would only go on the elderly and their families. That's the point Dr. Paul was talking about. But I fail to understand is that where in the constitution does it say that the government has to feed old folks? please, don't give me Art1, sec8 bs.
"Truth never envelops itself in mystery, and the mystery in which it is at any time enveloped is the work of its antagonist, and never of itself." - Thomas Paine
AKA..Narbonne Cathedral in the South of France...or simply put.....2Co 11:14-15 KJV And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” - Thomas Jefferson
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." - Thomas Jefferson
It is common sense...if you got a cut on your arm..and you trying to nurse that wound so it get better...when you pour alcohol on that wound...its gonna burn..you can guarantee it..so...you can be sure that nursing this country back to health is going to be painful at the beginning....but it has to be done..
You can be sure that people will suffer because of this change, but those sufferings should not be held to the account of Rand Paul or Ron Paul...they should be held to the account of the criminals who have ran this system for all this time...Refer to my Andrew Jackson quote below..lets re-answer the accusation yet again...how many times will it take?
Rand Paul is for ending wars which allow young people to grow into senior citizens, and for ending the bank behind which finances all wars. The overall picture shows that Rand Paul is saving millions of lives, and it is not his sin that these criminals have left these seniors to hang out to dry. He is for stopping it from going forward any further. War is a racket, and the private centralized banks behind those wars are their financiers, elections are fraudulent as well. Ask MLK..he would agree
Not one penny of the stack of the Federal Reserve banks is owned by the Government or the people, but it is owned by private banks exclusively. They do not pay one penny for the use of that great privilege, to the people or to the Government. (CR, 4-9-1934) - Congressman Wright Patman
The law has never been put into effect. The Federal Reserve Board sets the zero rate. Instead of charging an interest rate which the law says they shall charge, they set no rate at all. Therefore, for the use of this great Government credit, these blanket mortgages that are issued against all the property of all the people of this Nation and against the incomes of all the people of this Nation, they do not pay one penny.
A Federal Reserve bank has a great privilege. It has the right to issue a blanket mortgage on all the property of all the people of this country. It is called a Federal Reserve note. For that privilege section 16 of the act provides that when the Government prints a Federal Reserve note and guarantees to pay that note and delivers it to a Federal Reserve bank, that Federal Reserve bank shall pay -- it seems to be mandatory -- the rate of interest that is set by the Federal Reserve Board.
Mr. Chairman, I see no reason why citizens of the United States should be terrorized into surrendering their property to the International Bankers who own and control the Federal Reserve. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden (Talk about someone who supported the 2nd amendment)
We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the FED. They are not government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
(The Great Depression resulting from the Stock Market crash) was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence....The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so they might emerge as rulers of us all. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
Faithless Government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict that the American people, outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath and send a President here who will sweep the money changers out of the temple. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. We need to have a complete divorce of Bank and State. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's day must be fought over again... The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Congressman Louis Mcfadden
So again..I ask you...how..is..it...that...paying...the...beeelzzz...is...sociopathic? I am gonna sit on this video..like the major 3 networks sit on their mountain of bullshit lies...I am starting a new mountain...ONE OF TRUTH!!! YAKNOW....TRUTH???
"You have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves." - Andrew Jackson
And after we throw you all out by force...I am making the rapper ICE CUBE president...and the entire hip hop scene congress....you have not been listening to these people all this time...
Voting them out is not working because the voting system is totally rigged, according to James and Kenneth Collier's book votescam. That only leaves the American people with one alternative, you have given us no alternative but to remove you by force. Unfortunate as that is..that is your sin, and it is the only alternative you have provided us with.
So the way it has occurred over time is these crooked politicians are not listening to us. I hear what Rand Paul is saying. I am listening to his advice. It is sound, it is reasonable...it is sane...If they wont listen to us, what then do we do then? We simply must take back our government. [ Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare of the United States - Thomas Jefferson].
“Now, take the Panama Canal bonds. They amounted to a little less than $50,000,000 — $49,800,000. By the time they are paid, the Government will have paid $75,000,000 in interest on bonds of less than $50,000,000. So the Government is paying out $125,000,000 to obtain the use of $49,800,000. That is the way it has worked all along. That is our policy. That is our system. The question is: Should that policy be continued? Is it sane? Is it reasonable?" - Congressman Wright Patman.
“When our Federal Government, that has the exclusive power to create money, creates that money and then goes into the open market and borrows it and pays interest for the use of its own money, it occurs to me that that is going too far. I have never yet had anyone who could, through the use of logic and reason, justify the Federal Government borrowing the use of its own money.." - Congressman Wright Patman
Congress can meet today and repeal or alter the Federal Reserve Act per section 34. Congress has the ability to buy all the stock in the Federal Reserve which is 144 million, and then appropriate that stock to completely remove the national debt of 14 trillion. Thats a deal, when you can pay off our national debt for 144 million bux. These silly arguments about not having enough money are just symptoms of the bigger problem. Stop the bleeding then discuss these issues after that is resolved.
To add to Sanders' response to Paul, I would also ask "Where is the private charity then?" as well as perhaps "If you are right in your opinion, why is there so much empirical evidence that is contrary to what you say and so much evidence in favor of what I am suggesting?"
@dualitystruggle Nonsense! There is a lot of private charity. People wouldn't need so much help of govt. weren't so expensive. How much money gets taken from everyone every year to be wasted by govt. It's your ideas that have been dominant and are failing.
People have been programmed to think there only responsibility to their fellow man is signing a few lines on a tax form once a year. How atomizing and dehumanizing! Govt. uses the money inefficiently.
@dualitystruggle Further, I would add that force is not morality and the end of the state's gun isn't altruism. People did just what Paul advocates for most of our history. It just wasn't private charity. It was families, mutual-aid societies, fraternal organizations, etc. that handled this.
Now, many people who receive S.S. and Medicare are wealthy. Some collect deceased spousal benefits. All of that needs to end. Most could save for themselves if the Fed wasn't debasing our money.
@DongWork4Yuda The welfare state is in collapse. Why do leftists always have a default setting of govt. force. Central planning is a failure. These things used to handled by private charity, familiers, fraternal organizations, mutual-aid societies. Leftists always want to use force. It is all you guys seemingly understand.
How about we spend 2 trillion on this program and "save" even more? Spending is Thift? Orwell was right.
Rand Paul or should I say Ebinezer Scrooge is so transparent. The only reason the conservatives are always spouting about charity is because it's a tax break for the rich. Here's a thought, how bout just giving people the benefits they've paid for all their lives without making them feel like charity.
NOT going to focus on the subject of the discussion....
Just want to say that This kind of rational & civil discussion is the way our political system should operate. NO name calling or finger pointing - NO political rhetoric or grandstanding. It's a discussion and debate between adults : a rare event in D.C. politics !
@curiousgeorge1940 I dunno, I think Paul's complete failure to address the points made by Franken and Sanders belies the fact that this is a political event, not a debate.
@RvLeshrac - Like I said - no comment on the subject matter : just amazed at the lack of name-calling and bullying that is so common in most so-called debates these days.
- As far as the Q & A went - Paul is so far out of touch with reality , that he could qualify for a bed in most mental hospitals....
@RvLeshrac So, Paul must go along with Sanders and Franken's starting premises or shut up? Of course there must be debate. Some seniors are in bad shape because of the amount of dollar debasement over the last decade due to deficit spending and the facilitation of that spending by the Federal Reserve's ability to monetize the debt resulting in an inflation tax. It's govt. that is the problem. It makes people poorer and then people like Franken then call for more of the poison that caused it.
We also are going to hold these crooks accountable, for all the needless deaths of the 1st World War, the 2nd World War, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, Gulf war 1, and Gulf war 2...wtc 9/11. You are guilty as charged...your crime...allowing the Federal Reserve to finance all these wars....Louis Mcfadden opposed this, and they killed him as well. You are guilty of so many monsterous crimes against humanity. May God help your soul..
I tell you what...Steve Pieczenik is getting ready to testify against these crooks...we are getting ready to expose this whole ordeal..HOW DARE YOU KILL ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS!!! SWEET JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!!!!...I GUARANTEE IT!!!
"You have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves." - Andrew Jackson
You don't give me my rights...my rights come from the ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF! Check the Malcolm X quote on my channel...I could not have said it better "myself"...he was on the money..
Oh yea, and Ronald Reagan...after his speech of February 18, 1981...that speech was directed right at the Federal Reserve...and he was shot very shortly after that speech....after that speech..you never heard another peep out of him..about the Federal Reserve..
Oh yea, and I forgot to mention the attempt on Thomas Jefferson as well when he failed to renew the charter on the 1st bank of the United States...the war of 1812 was the attempted assassination of Thomas Jefferson..
I will tell you why they don't do it...1) Because they have sold you out and 2) They are afraid to wind up like JFK, RFK, Mckinley, Garfield, Lincoln...and then the attempt on Andrew Jacksons life....THATS WHY!
All congress has to do is meet, and buy the stock in the Federal Reserve which is a total of 144 million bux. It is all the stock that sold in the Federal Reserve. From 1913-1914 was the only time frame that stock sold in the Federal Reserve. Congress per section 34 can meet ASAP, buy the stock..in the amount of 144 million bux, and then appropriate that stock to remove the entire 14.3 trillion bux worth of debt. 144 million, gets rid of 14.3 trillion tall...why don't they do it?
The bankers financed a mob to chase Charles A. Lindbergh through the streets of his hometown in Minnesota and threatened to tar and feather him, after the bill had passed. The Department of Justice definitely views the Federal Reserve as a criminally ran syndicate. Which is why RFK and JFK opposed it so much....RFK opposed all organized crime...and the Federal Reserve is just that...it is "organized crime".
The Federal Reserve Act was passed by only 3 senators while all those who opposed it were on Christmas vacation. The New York Times reported that no legislation of that much importance had ever been passed with so few senators in the entire history of the US. Sections 34 of the Act says that congress at any time can repeal or alter this act. Which tells you that there was indeed a big question as to its authenticity. Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. was one of those who opposed the bill.
Can we just build a system of caring,termination centers that will end the life of seniors ( as well as criminals,unwanted babies , mentally ill and so on) and render them into a low cost source of protein which could then be marketed to low cost fast food chains ? Or nutrition centers for the needy ?We have the technology !! DO WE HAVE THE WILL FOR THIS ? ARE WE READY ???
When I'm to old to work and to poor to eat, I plan to commit a crime so that I can go to prison instead of a nursing home. I intend to plead guilty so as to save the government any trial expenses. That's my plan.
So, they had the $2 billion before this bill was renewed. So why are there still starving old people according to the studies cited? Paul is right. How much money could we throw at this program before it starts costing money net-wise?
So according to Rand Paul spending money, say on changing the oil in your car, or getting it a tune up is a waste of money, because obviously spending money to save money is an impossible contradiction. Where's the common sense in our society these days? Even your run of the mill libertarian/tea partier would agree with this concept, yet somehow deny the very same principle applied on a larger scale!
Lincoln just created the greenback and financed the war with it..he did not borrow it at interest after he created it. There is a "Hazard Circular" article you can find where the bankers were talking about how the greenback needed to be completely removed from circulation. The "Hazard Circular", was an international bankers magazine that was passed around to only bankers.. That is what they tried to do..the Jesuits killed Lincoln and they issued the Contraction Act of 1866.
Wish the camera had stayed on Paul when Franken says, "I think you just did" so we could've seen the reaction of the supremely smug & smirky douche right behind Rand.
The only reason we would do something that absurd, is if someone was putting a gun to our head to do it. That makes sense with all the presidents who were assassinated trying to stop the bankers..
We already do print our own, but not only do we print it...we go into the open market after its printed and then "borrow it at interest". It is like Wright Patman said...that is what is absurd about the whole thing. We dont have to borrow it "at interest" after its already printed. He stated, "It should occur to most people that we are ummm...going too far".
Not a single penny belongs to the USA. Every cent of currency in circulation belongs to the Federal Reserve. We need to stop borrowing theirs when we should be printing our own.
Regarding seniors, I've got a non-profit plan that if implemented would take ALL costs away from the government and would give people the ability to retire at age 50 (rather than 69) and live the rest of their lives with no costs at all for any basic need and little to no cost for most of their wants.
That conversation was so deep and so thought provoking. It clearly shows you the depth of character of each man speaking in that room... It also points out something very scary.... the youngest man out of the three is the most selfish and self serving in the the group... Evently that generation will be in charge.... God help us.... SMH....
@newave123456 Actually, he was the only real person of character. He is not being selfish. He does not believe that the FEDERAL government should be involved in our lives as they are. Do you honestly think that the FEDERAL government should be deciding what elderly folks should or should not eat? States and local communities are the BEST one to deal with the poor and elderly. We don't need nor want socialism from the Federal government.
@CommonSenseJoe You cant believe what you are saying. Rand Paul is a quarter of what his father is. He is selfish, self serving and crazy to boot. He cares nothing for his fellow man. Rand Paul is scary. His father must be shaking his head in disapproval when he gets home every night.
@newave123456 I am not comparing him to his dad. Rand is simply making the point that the FEDERAL government should not be in the business of dictating what older people should or should not eat. This is a state and local issue. Sanders keeps saying estimates say this or that. If you take your credit card and buy a car that gets better mileage, YOU save on gas but the payments with interest will kill you. We do not have TWO billion to spend.
Rand Paul is such an asshat.
Trittydi 1 month ago 5
Rand Paul is even crazier than his dad.
AntiYourFacePhD 1 month ago 7
Leave it to the states
joinProfusionEx 1 month ago
Rand Paul the retard, Once again PWNED!
deeppurple28 1 month ago 13
Rand Paul, you are an asshole.
accebertsmith 2 months ago 12
Look at it this way... if one spends the money to maintain their vehicle it will last longer and expensive repairs are far less likely. It's cheaper to chage your oil frequently that to rebuild your engine.
UncleMatt69 2 months ago
Rand Paul is a sociopathic hypocrite who is a Teabagger to the core. Total denial of facts is his status quo. He is either very stupid or very dishonest... I believe the latter. There are far more elderly than ever before per capita due to better health care and that does put a strain on social systems but that is simply something we must deal with. The selfish attitudes of too many Americans disgusts me. If corporations and the 1% paid their fair share we wouldn't be in this fiscal mud.
UncleMatt69 2 months ago 8
I like Bernie Sanders and Rand's father, Ron Paul, but I whenever Rand talks i feel like he's not on the common people's side.
bigdragoon1 4 months ago
Why is everything with Rand Paul a slippery slope? Why can't we just do things on a case-by-case basis? It's the best way to handle things anyway, there are different variables in each case, and he says that he thinks that private charity should do the brunt of the work, where are they now? Would we need the gov't to do this if they did behave as you said?
calthopian 4 months ago
Need is not a legitimate moral claim on the rights of someone else. If someone needs healthcare, that is not a claim to get the government to force someone else to provide it. Read Ayn Rand.
bma051000 4 months ago
Many Republicans would rather that senior citizen just die so nobody would have to deal with them or pay for their treatments. It's a very callous approach to this problem. They'd have no problem saying that your dear old grandmother has to go without, but when it comes to their grandparents, no expense is spared.
Eizara 5 months ago
Rand Paul is exactly right.
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Paul made sense if we give 2 billion and that saves money Why dont we just give 20 billion and save a lot more But the truth is the govt cant then that means the US dollar is toilet paper.. And no more money will be left for creating Jobs Mr. Sanders
marcuswatsonlife 5 months ago
Paul made sense if we give 2 billion and that saves money Why dont we just give 20 billion and save a lot more But the truth is the govt cant then that means the US dollar is toilet paper.. And no more money will be left for creating Jobs Mr. Sanders
marcuswatsonlife 5 months ago
Rand Paul and his daddy are both asshats who don't deserve to hold political office.
blair227 5 months ago
@blair227 Maybe you need to do your research on Ron Paul before you jump to conclusions
marcuswatsonlife 5 months ago
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Ron Paul and his idiot son aren't worth research.All the idiotic statements that both of them have made over the years speak for themselves.You fucking Ronbots with the tin hats and paranoia need to research history and perhaps a little mental health visit wouldn.t hurt either.
blair227 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Paul makes a good point if the feds is saving money by giving 2 billions dollars why dont they just give 20 billion dollars. But then the dollar would inflate more. No money for job programs and so on. Well if that what Sanders out call the FED and tell them to print more money and we will pay it back in higher taxes.
marcuswatsonlife 5 months ago
here's a thought. Perhaps Kentucky could send Rand Paul out of that seat.
KCJUT 7 months ago 2
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I agree, I'm ashamed to say I grew up in Kentucky because of that son-of-a-bitch. I love Bernie, I wish more people in Goverment were like him. And when i'm old enough to vote, you can bet I am not voting for Rand Paul..!
Bristowbratz 6 months ago 2
Can't stand Al Franken but, he is right on this one.
KCJUT 7 months ago 2
saving government money is the right thing to do if youre not spending it on wars and foreign aid and making the the Bilderberg group filthy richer!.
anthonyontherocks 7 months ago
pak88xdbl If Rand was sincere he'd cut his own salary and benefits. He's a total hypocrite, but because he's also antisocial you confuse that with honesty. I prefer the hypocrite who's sticking up for the old people. ..BTW I bet YOU could push an old lady off the cliff.
Jahkaylin 7 months ago 9
shevykat- you get it! We give Washington the money and then they act like they're doing us a great favor by handing out a few liberal programs sprinkled into the perks they've generously handed themselves!
Jahkaylin 7 months ago
What is this conversation about!!! What is taken out of your pay check every week? Yea, you are paying in to the program for social security and medicare for when you are unemployed in your old age. I don't see how Rand Paul is paying for my health care! I never hear a polotician make this point. Also, the government is not paying us out of the budget. We get our checks from the money we put in. The U.S. now owes the ssi and medicare accounts money that they borrowed.
shevykat 7 months ago 11
@shevykat : Thank You! I have just been told on another Bernie video that I am bascially too old, too sick, and too poor to be allowed to exist in this country. The ignorance and soulessness are a virus that will eventually destroy the United States, unless more people like you take the time to speak up.
madamezolar 7 months ago
Senator Paul, I applaud your desire to impede rampant government spending. However, it seems to me that if you REALLY wanted to get something accomplished, you'd go after far bigger fish than this one. It makes me wonder about your actual motives.
GreatBigBore 8 months ago
@GreatBigBore I suspect that he is participating in the subcommittee he's been assigned. He's applying libertarian/conservative principals to the issue before him. And he is crusading against a much bigger issue, the national debt. You should look up his YT vids regarding the debt. His vote to raise the debt ceiling is contingent on a balanced budget amendment.
pak88xbl 8 months ago
@pak88xbl "He's applying libertarian/conservative principals to the issue before him."
I find that a bit hard to believe. He accepted the claim that spending this money would save taxpayer dollars, but only so he could ridicule the idea. He either doesn't believe the claim, in which case he should have simply said so (catalyzing rather than inhibiting discussion), or he is being dumb, because if it saves taxpayer dollars then he should be in favor of it even if it sounds counterintuitive.
GreatBigBore 8 months ago
@GreatBigBore Rand doesn't accept their claim. We're looking at a selective clip here. We don't know how much Sanders and Rand have discussed. I think Rand is frustrated by Sanders' demagoguery (we can't push grandma off the cliff). Sanders wrongly believes that taxpayers "save" money by preventing health problems that become more expensive to taxpayers later. But Rand believes taxpayers should not be liable for anyone's health care period so *any* tax money spent on health care is too much.
pak88xbl 8 months ago
Liberal compassion kills... both compassion and people. The Feds compete with charities. People would be willing to donate much more to charities if the Feds didn't simply STEAL the money from us. The Feds inefficiently distribute wealth to 'help' people which in turn makes us all poorer, reduces goodwill, and harms our general welfare. At some point, the liberal schizophrenia of 'forced compassion' inevitably collapses into general bankruptcy, resentment and bitterness... what we have today.
pak88xbl 8 months ago
@pak88xbl Good points. Seems like we all need to be having a conversation about how we're going to restructure our governance system. I'm looking for that conversation; have you found it happening anywhere?
GreatBigBore 8 months ago
@GreatBigBore I'm libertarian. If you are, then you know what I'm going to say. If not, libertarians believe in nonaggression (liberals are pro-violence). If you take that premise to it's logical conclusion, you find few roles for government in society. The moral functions of government are national security and to enforce contracts. 'The government that governs least, governs best.' This was the prevailing thought when the Federal government was created when the Constitution was ratified.
pak88xbl 8 months ago
@GreatBigBore I need to amend what I said. Moral functions of government include, national defense, private property rights and to allow us to be secure in our person. Enforcing contracts is consistent with these principals. As is your right not to be robbed, murdered, defrauded, or trespassed against. Many liberal desires are addressed including pollution. Libertarians consider pollution a trespass. Environmentalists want to legalize pollution via regulation.
pak88xbl 8 months ago
@pak88xbl that is completely wrong. As medical expenses have become higher more and more people are getting the proper medical treatment that a first world country should receive. Private charities are fine, but they can only do so much. Also the rich are paying historically low tax rates, so based on your premise we should be seeing more more people receiving the proper care. We are not. The truth is more and more people are struggling.
soxfan0408 5 months ago
@soxfan0408 "As medical expenses have become higher..." So, by that logic computers should be more expensive now since they've gotten a lot better? "Private charities are fine, but they can only do so much." Yes, and that might be enough. "Also the rich are paying historically low tax rates..." The rich don't "pay" taxes and never will. They will always pass their tax burden onto the little guy no matter the rate. "...people are struggling." Yes, but not for the reasons you believe.
pak88xbl 5 months ago
@pak88xbl There was a mistake in my first point. I meant to say as expenses are getting higher people are not getting proper care. I do not think costs should be rising and I don't think the majority of people have been getting better care. However, you say that private charities "might be enough."...but the fact is they have not been even with historically low tax rates. The poverty rates have increased and many more people are having trouble getting medical care.
soxfan0408 4 months ago
@soxfan0408 "... as expenses are getting higher people are not getting proper care." Gov't drives up costs. Medicare/medicaid make healthcare more costly for everyone. Remove the gov't from the equation and then private charities can be more effective. "The poverty rates have increased and many more people are having trouble getting medical care." Yes because of failed gov't policies. Gov't is destroying the middle class and has created a permanent underclass. More gov't means more poverty.
pak88xbl 4 months ago
@pak88xbl that is inaccurate. Medicare expenses, which have been decreasing, are not a substantial reason for the soaring insurance costs. Part of the reason medicare was created was that the elderly were not getting the proper care. There are 15 million people over 65 and that number will increase by 2 million in the coming years. Also when LBJ implemented his war on poverty programs poverty decreased, Reagan cut those programs , poverty increased and so did wealth inequalities.
soxfan0408 4 months ago
@soxfan0408 "that is inaccurate..." According to CMMS in 2009, national health cost grew 4.0%; medicare grew by 7.9% and medicaid by 9.0%. So growing more than twice as fast as private health insurance. "Part of the reason medicare was created was that the elderly were not..." And yet these programs are bankrupting the US so no one will get adequate care. "Also when LBJ implemented his war on poverty..." Uh, no. Poverty was going down but stopped with LBJ. LBJ & FDR created permanent underclass.
pak88xbl 4 months ago
@pak88xbl Those percentages have increased because the number of old and sick have increased. We have a whole generation reaching retirement age and there is a higher level of poverty among the elderly than we have in decades. Also those percentages dont take into account benefits per person which was what I was talking about. Your point on LBJs policies causing poverty rates to increase is false, though he did harm the social security fund.
soxfan0408 4 months ago
@soxfan0408 "Your point on LBJs policies causing poverty rates to increase is false." I didn't say that. See wikipedia 'War on poverty.' See graph next to 'Criticisms.' Poverty rates were going down *until* LBJ started the stupidity called the 'War on Poverty' (more honestly called 'War on Poor People'). Permanent underclass ever since. Epic fail like every unconstitutional, Marxist liberal initiative. And now we can all be bankrupt thanks to statists like Sanders...
pak88xbl 4 months ago
@pak88xbl You're completely clueless. Yeah, private charities are going to take care of the impoverished elderly... if that were true it'd already be happening. Government is not driving up costs. Pharmacutical companies, Insurance companies and the AMA are driving up costs. I agree that the Federal government is too large and leaks money constantly but the social services are not the ones to blame. Self serving political parties and corruption are the primary causes. Tax the 1% fairly to fix it
UncleMatt69 2 months ago
@UncleMatt69 "Federal government is too large and leaks money." Leaks? You mean like the Fukushima tsunami? The Fed gov't has destroyed this country. It's already happened; you're too clueless to realize it. We are now all but guaranteed 3rd world standard of living because of criminals in Congress, the WH, and everyone who voted for them... you presumably one. So, thanks a lot. See what people like you have done to us... youtube.com/watch?v=XX0ENqLSbjY
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JordRep 8 months ago
@joepeeler34 Its slippery slope when Paul starts exclaiming "why don't we give you 20 billion" when the accounting for the bill suggests 2 billion is sufficient. When spending is dedicated toward alleviating the causes of a larger amount of spending in the future, its saving money. Spending money on preventative care helps prevent larger healthcare costs down the road. As for stats 25% unemployment, closure of most banks, massive deflation. Im sure the churches and free market could solve that
MrGeorgiaray 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray But how do we know that this spending is going to for certain mean less spending than there would have otherwise been down the road? Since when has govt. ever worked that way? The projections for govt. deficits and programs 5 and 10-years out--much less 20 or 30-years-- are often wildly off the market. I think this is because they make assumptions based on static accounting.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray Yes, the free market would have fixed those things if we had one. If we had free market money and interest rates instead of centrally planned money and interest rates, there never would have been a bubble to begin with. It was the Fed.'s artificially low interest rates and rapid increases in the credit money supply allong with collectivized risk and govt. subsidization of housing that caused the housing bubble.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray "Most" banks wouldn't have went under. Even if they had, other banks could and would willingly handle the other bank's former activities. Prices need to fall and the debt must be allowed to be liquidated. The Fed-created housing bubble resulted in artificially high prices. Those prices and artificially low interest rates resulted in a misallocation of labor and material resources. Prices--including wage prices--must be allowed to fall to reveal real conditions.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
Also, a price deflation in the wake of credit bubble of central bank creation can be painful to many, but it is necessary medicine. The Fed and the fed. govt. have been busily trying to reflate the housing bubble, but they can control where that new credit money goes first. It has been going into commodities traded on a world market and equities. That's the main reason why commodities have gone ballistic.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
Look up the other credit bubbles in our country's history. All credit bubbles saving for the ones ithat burst in 1929, 2001, and 2008 were handled the same way. Govt. cut spending and in some instances taxes. The debt was liquidated. Prices--including wage prices--were allowed to fall to real levels. Businesses retrenched while others went bankrupt. Labor and capital were reallocated to non-bubble activities. These recessions within a few years as a result.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
If you get a chance, look up the Depression of 1921 on YouTube The GDP and stock market both shrank by more on a percentage basis in '21 than in '29 in the first year. The unemployment rate spiked much higher in the '21 depression. Govt. spending shrank and taxes were cut to alleviate the burden of govt. on the voluntary/productive economy.
Hoover and Roosevelt werr both progressives who were against liquidation and letting prices fall and businesses fail.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
A word about deflation: A rapid price deflation in the wake of a phony credit bubble does hurt some. However, the term deflation just means that purchasing power of the money is rising. The 19th century saw falling prices and greatly increased production, prodcutivity, and standards of living. It was a deflationary boom period. From 1788 (Constitution) to 1913 (Federal Reserve Act) the purchasing power of money increased by 13%. People became accustomed to a gently falling price level.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
Paul's best response is a slippery slope fallacy and a lack of respect for the process of accounting, not to mention morality. He based everything on his desire to limit government and not on practical facts that could deviate from his rigid ideology. Also, too bad all of these people forget the days when there was absolutely no welfare system at all. "Private charities" did all they could but it by no means dealt with the massive problems within society during hard times. They have no stats
MrGeorgiaray 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray How is it a slippery slope argument? How can pols claim that present consumption spending (it isn't investment because capital isn't being purchased to create future wealth) is savings/thrift? I think Orwell should have added one more principle to Ingsoc: Spending is Thrift.
Prove what you said about private charities and mutual-aid societies or communal hospitals. Show me the evidence. Leftists act like people don't care about their fellows. Only govt. force is compassionate.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray It is govt. that has made many people dependent on the state. It is the Federal Reserve's fiat money that has resulted in the dollar's purchasing power falling by 70% since the early 70's. How are people supposed to save for their own retirenment when their money is relentlessly debased by the Fed?
Doesn't the welfare state point to a desire to help others? Do the human traits of reciprocation and altruism simply disappear in the absence of force?
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@MrGeorgiaray Further, there wouldn't have to be nearly as much private charity dollars directed to temporarily indigent or chronically dependent people as the state directs. A lot of wealthy and well-off seniors participate in S.S. and Medicare. Many of these people can pay their own freight. There is also the problem of govt. fraud and waste of taxpayer dollars in these programs. Private charities are far more efficient and they must compete for charity dollars forcing them to be efficient.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@singledad1234 No need to curse. I think we may agree on a few points. I don't think every last one of them are bad. Sanders supports the existence of fiat paper money and the Federal Reserve. He doesn't object to the U.N., IMF, or World Bank either. He advocates a very centralized national govt. instead of a federated one where power is decentralized. He gets a few things right, but on most issues the man is a part of the problem.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@singledad1234 It ain't just the wars. Last I checked the Obama adminstration is expanding the wars. You are a party drone.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
I still admire Ron Paul and Rand Paul for attempting to do "something"...even though it is "nothing" really...it is much more than anyone else is doing...
glitchiker1 8 months ago
The audit the fed bill in itself does nothing but shows us what our government is willing to do to compromise with crooks. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, William Mckinley and JFK would all hereby disagree with any such bill as "auditing the FED"...the people of the US will eventually get it one day....."It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
He co-sponsored the bill "after" it was gutted...the bill pretty much did nothing after Sanders got finished with it. However, the fact of the matter is...nobody "audits the mafia". The Federal Reserve is a criminally ran syndicate. Congressman Louis Mcfadden made us quite aware of what the Federal Reserve really is as did Charles A. Lindbergh Sr.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
@glitchiker1 He co-sponsored a bill to audit the fed, which passed, which he then audited. What are you talking about?
newave123456 8 months ago
@newave123456 After if had been gutted. He sold out. We didn't get a real audit. We didn't get to find out about gold swaps, manipulations in the stock market, etc. You want to talk about why seniors are stuggling then look no further than the central planners at the Fed who have created bubble after bubble and a real inflation rate of 6-10% over the last decade according to private sources. The govt.'s CPI numbers are a fraud.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
The morally right thing is what God said to do concerning lending money...it is written plainly in the law of Moses...Exodus 22, Leviticus 25..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Rand Paul makes a great point. Liberals can always find away to justify spending MORE money to save money. How about NOT assuming that it is the role of FEDERAL government to be everyone's caretaker?
CommonSenseJoe 8 months ago
And see Thomas Jefferson was right about that, because you don't have number 1 in that quote without doing number 2...feel me playaz?
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations. - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
No one audits the mafia or any criminally ran syndicate. You arrest it, and then annul its charter. The same advice Congressmen Wright Patman and Louis Mcfadden gave years ago. This country could be totally out of debt in 6 weeks if congress would just remove their head from their sphincter hole and "do the morally right thing" for the American People....Sanders is truly a laughing stock here...and Rand Paul is closer to anyone to it...that is the entire truth of the matter.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
This is what they do...people like Sanders greese the skids on issues like these by pushing spending through on moral issues. These days people have to work 2 jobs even to make ends meet. The more money government spends the worst it gets. Rand Paul is so right on this issue. Plus Sanders gutted the Audit the Federal Reserve bill as well. I see no point in auditing the Federal Reserve. It is criminally ran. Tack on the housing crisis to this...you have a fantasy world Sanders is living in
glitchiker1 8 months ago
My mom cared for her Alzhiemers husband for about 12 years. When she passed on I cared for him. Was it tough? yes Did it interefere with my social and church life? yes Was it stressful? yes. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely. To those of you that think it is best to send your loved ones to a nursing facility at someone els'es expense I would suggest that there is a character flaw that needs examination.
grossebob 8 months ago
Where are the children and grandchildren of these seniors such that Mr. Sanders thinks that spending taxpayer money is cheaper than those family members taking care of them?
How sad is it that AMericans want to spend their childrens and grandchildrens future so they can not be bothered with taking care of their own family members now. The federal debt is at $45,000.00 for every man woman and child alive in the US. Anyone willing to pay their share this year? It grows daily by $17.00 dollars.
grossebob 8 months ago
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"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson....Repeal the Federal Reserve Act, buy back the stock in the amount of 144 million and then appropriate that stock to pay off our 14 trillion national debt. Get our country totally out of debt...do it now!
glitchiker1 8 months ago
How about saving the value of old people's money? Printing it and then "spending it on them" hasn't exactly worked? has it?
Lukeor 8 months ago
Sander for Prez !! One tomahawk missile cost 150 million to make 180 of them where fired at Libya guess who has to pay for them ? us the tax payers the middle class .
MrMuddshovel 8 months ago
@MrMuddshovel Sanders is a disaster on all but a few issues. If he is so opposed to corporatism, why doesn't he object to tax breaks, subsidies, mandates, and public private partnerships for companies that produce solar, wind, electric cars, and other prodcuts that leftists apporve of? The left identify these measures as corporatism when they are understaken for so-called progressive ends. They just call it good government in that event.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@joepeeler34 sounds like you are describing Ron Paul that will do away with SSI SSD MED care and any welfare program but not Corporate welfare . Like Emron and others Fannie May etc... so no to ron paul 2012.. some of the thing he says are absurd ..
MrMuddshovel 8 months ago
@MrMuddshovel Enron is out of business last I checked, and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are government created/sponsored entities. They are no more a product of a free market than HMO's.
I don't propose ending the social welfare state in its entirety tomorrow. It should be phased out over many years. We could start by cutting off all benefits for those who are wealthy or well-off and reducing benenfits for those with other sources of income. Age must be raised and no deceased spousal benefits.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@MrMuddshovel all those Co.and more received corporate bail out money " Welfare " during the bush and obama era of office . Billions I put into the system 25 years of work but these kids at age of 17 18 getting SSI check and nothing wrong with them isn't right . Should some one get a check for OCD ? nothing physically wrong with them?
MrMuddshovel 8 months ago
Sander for Prez !!
MrMuddshovel 8 months ago
wrong, wrong, and wrong. The cost goes up on those who aren't sick and the young so it can bring down the cost for the sickly and old. The only party that'll see it's cost go down are the old sick people. If we didn't have a socialist system, the cost would only go on the elderly and their families. That's the point Dr. Paul was talking about. But I fail to understand is that where in the constitution does it say that the government has to feed old folks? please, don't give me Art1, sec8 bs.
cartmanfan0316 8 months ago
"Half a truth is often a great lie." - Benjamin Franklin
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"Truth never envelops itself in mystery, and the mystery in which it is at any time enveloped is the work of its antagonist, and never of itself." - Thomas Paine
glitchiker1 8 months ago
AKA..Narbonne Cathedral in the South of France...or simply put.....2Co 11:14-15 KJV And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Thanks to Senator Paul for the lesson in logical fallacy...
dangoettel100 8 months ago 2
I love that quote right there...that shows you what Constantine and Rome did for Christianity....absolutely "NOTHING"....
glitchiker1 8 months ago
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." - Thomas Jefferson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
It is common sense...if you got a cut on your arm..and you trying to nurse that wound so it get better...when you pour alcohol on that wound...its gonna burn..you can guarantee it..so...you can be sure that nursing this country back to health is going to be painful at the beginning....but it has to be done..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Yes....you are a den of vipers and thieves.....indeed...
glitchiker1 8 months ago
You can be sure that people will suffer because of this change, but those sufferings should not be held to the account of Rand Paul or Ron Paul...they should be held to the account of the criminals who have ran this system for all this time...Refer to my Andrew Jackson quote below..lets re-answer the accusation yet again...how many times will it take?
glitchiker1 8 months ago
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Rand Paul is for ending wars which allow young people to grow into senior citizens, and for ending the bank behind which finances all wars. The overall picture shows that Rand Paul is saving millions of lives, and it is not his sin that these criminals have left these seniors to hang out to dry. He is for stopping it from going forward any further. War is a racket, and the private centralized banks behind those wars are their financiers, elections are fraudulent as well. Ask MLK..he would agree
glitchiker1 8 months ago
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glitchiker1 8 months ago
Mr. Paul is a heartless jerk.
likingpurple 8 months ago
Not one penny of the stack of the Federal Reserve banks is owned by the Government or the people, but it is owned by private banks exclusively. They do not pay one penny for the use of that great privilege, to the people or to the Government. (CR, 4-9-1934) - Congressman Wright Patman
glitchiker1 8 months ago
The law has never been put into effect. The Federal Reserve Board sets the zero rate. Instead of charging an interest rate which the law says they shall charge, they set no rate at all. Therefore, for the use of this great Government credit, these blanket mortgages that are issued against all the property of all the people of this Nation and against the incomes of all the people of this Nation, they do not pay one penny.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
A Federal Reserve bank has a great privilege. It has the right to issue a blanket mortgage on all the property of all the people of this country. It is called a Federal Reserve note. For that privilege section 16 of the act provides that when the Government prints a Federal Reserve note and guarantees to pay that note and delivers it to a Federal Reserve bank, that Federal Reserve bank shall pay -- it seems to be mandatory -- the rate of interest that is set by the Federal Reserve Board.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Mr. Chairman, I see no reason why citizens of the United States should be terrorized into surrendering their property to the International Bankers who own and control the Federal Reserve. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden (Talk about someone who supported the 2nd amendment)
glitchiker1 8 months ago
We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the FED. They are not government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
glitchiker1 8 months ago
(The Great Depression resulting from the Stock Market crash) was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence....The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so they might emerge as rulers of us all. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Faithless Government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict that the American people, outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath and send a President here who will sweep the money changers out of the temple. - Congressman Louis Mcfadden
glitchiker1 8 months ago
What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. We need to have a complete divorce of Bank and State. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's day must be fought over again... The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Congressman Louis Mcfadden
glitchiker1 8 months ago
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So again..I ask you...how..is..it...that...paying...the...beeelzzz...is...sociopathic? I am gonna sit on this video..like the major 3 networks sit on their mountain of bullshit lies...I am starting a new mountain...ONE OF TRUTH!!! YAKNOW....TRUTH???
glitchiker1 8 months ago
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"You have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves." - Andrew Jackson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Here is another example of a president dealing with sociopaths...they tried blaming him for their crimes...
glitchiker1 8 months ago
I have your Nutrition here Sanders. I nice load for you and Franken... come take it...
trimetaler 8 months ago
And after we throw you all out by force...I am making the rapper ICE CUBE president...and the entire hip hop scene congress....you have not been listening to these people all this time...
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Voting them out is not working because the voting system is totally rigged, according to James and Kenneth Collier's book votescam. That only leaves the American people with one alternative, you have given us no alternative but to remove you by force. Unfortunate as that is..that is your sin, and it is the only alternative you have provided us with.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
So the way it has occurred over time is these crooked politicians are not listening to us. I hear what Rand Paul is saying. I am listening to his advice. It is sound, it is reasonable...it is sane...If they wont listen to us, what then do we do then? We simply must take back our government. [ Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare of the United States - Thomas Jefferson].
glitchiker1 8 months ago
“Now, take the Panama Canal bonds. They amounted to a little less than $50,000,000 — $49,800,000. By the time they are paid, the Government will have paid $75,000,000 in interest on bonds of less than $50,000,000. So the Government is paying out $125,000,000 to obtain the use of $49,800,000. That is the way it has worked all along. That is our policy. That is our system. The question is: Should that policy be continued? Is it sane? Is it reasonable?" - Congressman Wright Patman.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
“When our Federal Government, that has the exclusive power to create money, creates that money and then goes into the open market and borrows it and pays interest for the use of its own money, it occurs to me that that is going too far. I have never yet had anyone who could, through the use of logic and reason, justify the Federal Government borrowing the use of its own money.." - Congressman Wright Patman
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Congress can meet today and repeal or alter the Federal Reserve Act per section 34. Congress has the ability to buy all the stock in the Federal Reserve which is 144 million, and then appropriate that stock to completely remove the national debt of 14 trillion. Thats a deal, when you can pay off our national debt for 144 million bux. These silly arguments about not having enough money are just symptoms of the bigger problem. Stop the bleeding then discuss these issues after that is resolved.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Government causes these problems, not cures them. +1 Rand. -1 Franken and Sanders.
jtropeano 8 months ago
Rand paul is an idiot
ruggeroization 8 months ago
To Paul Rand: you can argue reductio ad absurdum to almost anything. It doesn't make you clever, it makes you irrational.
anmpir 8 months ago 2
To add to Sanders' response to Paul, I would also ask "Where is the private charity then?" as well as perhaps "If you are right in your opinion, why is there so much empirical evidence that is contrary to what you say and so much evidence in favor of what I am suggesting?"
dualitystruggle 8 months ago 2
@dualitystruggle Nonsense! There is a lot of private charity. People wouldn't need so much help of govt. weren't so expensive. How much money gets taken from everyone every year to be wasted by govt. It's your ideas that have been dominant and are failing.
People have been programmed to think there only responsibility to their fellow man is signing a few lines on a tax form once a year. How atomizing and dehumanizing! Govt. uses the money inefficiently.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
@dualitystruggle Further, I would add that force is not morality and the end of the state's gun isn't altruism. People did just what Paul advocates for most of our history. It just wasn't private charity. It was families, mutual-aid societies, fraternal organizations, etc. that handled this.
Now, many people who receive S.S. and Medicare are wealthy. Some collect deceased spousal benefits. All of that needs to end. Most could save for themselves if the Fed wasn't debasing our money.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
republicans are horrible people
DongWork4Yuda 8 months ago 3
@DongWork4Yuda I agree... and so are the Democrats. There are no distinctions these days... in fact, or for many years
trimetaler 8 months ago
@DongWork4Yuda The welfare state is in collapse. Why do leftists always have a default setting of govt. force. Central planning is a failure. These things used to handled by private charity, familiers, fraternal organizations, mutual-aid societies. Leftists always want to use force. It is all you guys seemingly understand.
How about we spend 2 trillion on this program and "save" even more? Spending is Thift? Orwell was right.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
Rand Paul or should I say Ebinezer Scrooge is so transparent. The only reason the conservatives are always spouting about charity is because it's a tax break for the rich. Here's a thought, how bout just giving people the benefits they've paid for all their lives without making them feel like charity.
judyleasugar97 8 months ago 3
NOT going to focus on the subject of the discussion....
Just want to say that This kind of rational & civil discussion is the way our political system should operate. NO name calling or finger pointing - NO political rhetoric or grandstanding. It's a discussion and debate between adults : a rare event in D.C. politics !
curiousgeorge1940 8 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 I dunno, I think Paul's complete failure to address the points made by Franken and Sanders belies the fact that this is a political event, not a debate.
RvLeshrac 8 months ago 3
@RvLeshrac - Like I said - no comment on the subject matter : just amazed at the lack of name-calling and bullying that is so common in most so-called debates these days.
- As far as the Q & A went - Paul is so far out of touch with reality , that he could qualify for a bed in most mental hospitals....
curiousgeorge1940 8 months ago
@RvLeshrac So, Paul must go along with Sanders and Franken's starting premises or shut up? Of course there must be debate. Some seniors are in bad shape because of the amount of dollar debasement over the last decade due to deficit spending and the facilitation of that spending by the Federal Reserve's ability to monetize the debt resulting in an inflation tax. It's govt. that is the problem. It makes people poorer and then people like Franken then call for more of the poison that caused it.
joepeeler34 8 months ago
im so bitter I cant even type,,,,"Stand"....
glitchiker1 8 months ago
We also are going to hold these crooks accountable, for all the needless deaths of the 1st World War, the 2nd World War, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, Gulf war 1, and Gulf war 2...wtc 9/11. You are guilty as charged...your crime...allowing the Federal Reserve to finance all these wars....Louis Mcfadden opposed this, and they killed him as well. You are guilty of so many monsterous crimes against humanity. May God help your soul..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
I tell you what...Steve Pieczenik is getting ready to testify against these crooks...we are getting ready to expose this whole ordeal..HOW DARE YOU KILL ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS!!! SWEET JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!!!!...I GUARANTEE IT!!!
glitchiker1 8 months ago
"You have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves." - Andrew Jackson
glitchiker1 8 months ago
You don't give me my rights...my rights come from the ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF! Check the Malcolm X quote on my channel...I could not have said it better "myself"...he was on the money..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
run bernie run!
MrBillcale 8 months ago
Oh yea, and Ronald Reagan...after his speech of February 18, 1981...that speech was directed right at the Federal Reserve...and he was shot very shortly after that speech....after that speech..you never heard another peep out of him..about the Federal Reserve..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Oh yea, and I forgot to mention the attempt on Thomas Jefferson as well when he failed to renew the charter on the 1st bank of the United States...the war of 1812 was the attempted assassination of Thomas Jefferson..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
We about to run 777 up yo ass, and Denzel gonna help...
glitchiker1 8 months ago
We don't put these people in office so they can wuss out on us...play your role or get out! Thats how it is..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
I will tell you why they don't do it...1) Because they have sold you out and 2) They are afraid to wind up like JFK, RFK, Mckinley, Garfield, Lincoln...and then the attempt on Andrew Jacksons life....THATS WHY!
glitchiker1 8 months ago
All congress has to do is meet, and buy the stock in the Federal Reserve which is a total of 144 million bux. It is all the stock that sold in the Federal Reserve. From 1913-1914 was the only time frame that stock sold in the Federal Reserve. Congress per section 34 can meet ASAP, buy the stock..in the amount of 144 million bux, and then appropriate that stock to remove the entire 14.3 trillion bux worth of debt. 144 million, gets rid of 14.3 trillion tall...why don't they do it?
glitchiker1 8 months ago
The bankers financed a mob to chase Charles A. Lindbergh through the streets of his hometown in Minnesota and threatened to tar and feather him, after the bill had passed. The Department of Justice definitely views the Federal Reserve as a criminally ran syndicate. Which is why RFK and JFK opposed it so much....RFK opposed all organized crime...and the Federal Reserve is just that...it is "organized crime".
glitchiker1 8 months ago
The Federal Reserve Act was passed by only 3 senators while all those who opposed it were on Christmas vacation. The New York Times reported that no legislation of that much importance had ever been passed with so few senators in the entire history of the US. Sections 34 of the Act says that congress at any time can repeal or alter this act. Which tells you that there was indeed a big question as to its authenticity. Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. was one of those who opposed the bill.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
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glitchiker1 8 months ago
Can we just build a system of caring,termination centers that will end the life of seniors ( as well as criminals,unwanted babies , mentally ill and so on) and render them into a low cost source of protein which could then be marketed to low cost fast food chains ? Or nutrition centers for the needy ?We have the technology !! DO WE HAVE THE WILL FOR THIS ? ARE WE READY ???
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
When I'm to old to work and to poor to eat, I plan to commit a crime so that I can go to prison instead of a nursing home. I intend to plead guilty so as to save the government any trial expenses. That's my plan.
hollywoodt00 8 months ago
So, they had the $2 billion before this bill was renewed. So why are there still starving old people according to the studies cited? Paul is right. How much money could we throw at this program before it starts costing money net-wise?
canaanav 8 months ago
So according to Rand Paul spending money, say on changing the oil in your car, or getting it a tune up is a waste of money, because obviously spending money to save money is an impossible contradiction. Where's the common sense in our society these days? Even your run of the mill libertarian/tea partier would agree with this concept, yet somehow deny the very same principle applied on a larger scale!
Windup23 8 months ago
"I think you just did."
Who said comedians don't make fantastic senators?
RichardMNixon 8 months ago 18
Lincoln just created the greenback and financed the war with it..he did not borrow it at interest after he created it. There is a "Hazard Circular" article you can find where the bankers were talking about how the greenback needed to be completely removed from circulation. The "Hazard Circular", was an international bankers magazine that was passed around to only bankers.. That is what they tried to do..the Jesuits killed Lincoln and they issued the Contraction Act of 1866.
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Wish the camera had stayed on Paul when Franken says, "I think you just did" so we could've seen the reaction of the supremely smug & smirky douche right behind Rand.
keatssycamore 8 months ago
The only reason we would do something that absurd, is if someone was putting a gun to our head to do it. That makes sense with all the presidents who were assassinated trying to stop the bankers..
glitchiker1 8 months ago
We already do print our own, but not only do we print it...we go into the open market after its printed and then "borrow it at interest". It is like Wright Patman said...that is what is absurd about the whole thing. We dont have to borrow it "at interest" after its already printed. He stated, "It should occur to most people that we are ummm...going too far".
glitchiker1 8 months ago
Not a single penny belongs to the USA. Every cent of currency in circulation belongs to the Federal Reserve. We need to stop borrowing theirs when we should be printing our own.
Regarding seniors, I've got a non-profit plan that if implemented would take ALL costs away from the government and would give people the ability to retire at age 50 (rather than 69) and live the rest of their lives with no costs at all for any basic need and little to no cost for most of their wants.
choices1111 8 months ago
That conversation was so deep and so thought provoking. It clearly shows you the depth of character of each man speaking in that room... It also points out something very scary.... the youngest man out of the three is the most selfish and self serving in the the group... Evently that generation will be in charge.... God help us.... SMH....
newave123456 8 months ago 4
@newave123456 Actually, he was the only real person of character. He is not being selfish. He does not believe that the FEDERAL government should be involved in our lives as they are. Do you honestly think that the FEDERAL government should be deciding what elderly folks should or should not eat? States and local communities are the BEST one to deal with the poor and elderly. We don't need nor want socialism from the Federal government.
CommonSenseJoe 8 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe You cant believe what you are saying. Rand Paul is a quarter of what his father is. He is selfish, self serving and crazy to boot. He cares nothing for his fellow man. Rand Paul is scary. His father must be shaking his head in disapproval when he gets home every night.
newave123456 8 months ago
@newave123456 I am not comparing him to his dad. Rand is simply making the point that the FEDERAL government should not be in the business of dictating what older people should or should not eat. This is a state and local issue. Sanders keeps saying estimates say this or that. If you take your credit card and buy a car that gets better mileage, YOU save on gas but the payments with interest will kill you. We do not have TWO billion to spend.
CommonSenseJoe 8 months ago