I think it is not a bad choice to coach, if her chance to compete internationally is almost 0%, as she seems to be blacklisted by the head coaches after her mistakes in Beijing. Who knows she could learn from her mistakes and become a late-boomer? But it seems she is not given one last chance...
There is a video on her official website showing her + her mother coaching junior gymnasts. Anna still looks beautiful + elegant. She was interviewed at about 03:00 in the video. I am sure she will be a very good coach when she retires (it seems the clock is ticking and her retirement is approaching soon...). Would she coach her gymnasts to do a stunning floor routine like her memorable Beijing AA floor?
And I think she showed sportmanship in this competition to hug Jiang Yuyuan. She was also the first one to congratulate Liukin when her FX came up. She clearly knew she had 0% chance to medal (due to UB low D-score), yet she still tried her best and hit all 4 routines!!! Does anyone notice that, without the UB score, she would have won bronze here? She also should have won Athens AA bronze, does anyone remember her painful tears at the end of that competition? It made the TV viewers heartbroken!
ShawnVikaKomova2012, I am Sorry, but we are now talking about how beautiful Anna Pavlova is not only technically, but also as a gymnast. Look at her style, look like a gymnast keeps up with this! Visible pride and dignity. Nor any sloppy, confusing movements are clearly the music. How you can talk about technique when the show is not just a gym, where there is beauty and power at the same time!
@MrAerial12345 Silver in Athens is what she truly deserved. Sveta's medal was a mea culpa for what happen in Sydney and Nan came out of nowhere. Pav was the scape goat..:(
Her weakness was bars but it's also due to the COP who favors bar worker (hence NL gold medal). But her beam scored well, she scored around 15.9. It's a good score especially when you know she had a few wobble and did not hit her connection. Full capacity, she could eeasily score a 16.2 or 16.3 :) I miss my Pavlova (:
It is sad that she was so close to making the Russian team in 2010 and 2011, and in both occasions the team won a Worlds team final medals. Pavlova is the type of gymnast to have big influence on the sport, yet struggling to win medals. Her chance for 2012 Olympics is almost 0%, but I hope she would aim for 2013 Worlds? She could compete until an old age and nobody can stop her, but the biggst problem is the Russian coaches dont want to use her anymore. Life is so difficult and unfair to her...
@Anonymous9999 hey do you know why she didn't make it into the national teams in 2010/2011? Was she injured or is she just being displaced by newer arrivals?
@unevercalled She made it to the final 8 for selection in 2010 Worlds, but was the only one not chosen at the end (because of coaches' uncertainty about her injury + health status).
In 2011, she only got her 2 vaults back and won the V in Russian Cup, but her UB (which is always hopeless), BB and FX are still not up to international standards, so it is understandable that she is surpassed by young members and not chosen.
I rather think she has a chance in 2013-2016. London: almost 0% chance...
@unevercalled I would not say her career is bad, because she won 5 euro medals (4 silver, 1 bronze), 2 Olympic bronze, and 1 Worlds bronze. She really would not be like Milosovici / Gogean / Boginskaya / Miller / Liukin / Podkopayeva, winning lots of medals. She failed to win medals mainly because of (1) her inconsistency problem, (2) Russian team was weak or she would have won more team final medals.
@unevercalled We never know the answer since she was injured right after Beijing.
If she did not suffer this injury and duplicate her Beijing AA performance in 2009 Worlds, she could easily win a silver or bronze in AA, or probably be Floor world champion, because the 2009-2012 COP only allowed a maximum of 4 tumbling passes (this is why she would never win a FX medal in Beijing even if she hit/hit/hit everything, as Cheng / Izbasa / Johnson / Jiang did 5 passes. Pavlova won't crazily do that.
@unevercalled Comparing her Athens and Beijing routines: (1) V remained the same, (2) her UB was slightly easier in Beijing, (3) her BB was more or less the same in both Games, (4) her FX became more difficult (double layout). It seemed she peaked at the right time (in 2004 + 2008), but too bad she failed to win AA bronze in Athens. In Beijing, if she did not mess up, she could win bronze in TF + BB (she could only be no.5 on AA, V and FX, even if she hit everything, due to the poor COP...)
@unevercalled And even without that ugly zero-scoring incident in V final, she could only finish no.5 best. Or I should say, she was doomed to fail to medal BEFORE the start of the competition in AA, V and FX, because of her lower D-score. She was so unlucky to compete in this era with such a poor COP. Her career would be much better had she competed in the 1990s. Her Beijing FX is the only type of routine (artistry + tumbling) that could threaten Podkopayeva for Atlanta FX gold title.
@unevercalled When I saw Afanasyeva winning FX gold in the 2011 Worlds, I had a sour feeling for Pavlova. Why could Afan win gold but Pavlova cannot (and never will, sigh...)? Pavlova's Beijing FX was actually better than Afan's 2011 FX routine. Now with Mustafina / Komova / Grishina / Sidorova coming up, and the others like Nabieva / Afan / Dementyeva / Belokobylskaya / Inshina / Paseka coming up, Pavlova had 0% chance for 2012 Olympics. I do hope she will aim for 2013-2016 though...
@unevercalled (Last comment to you) I only hope lots of gymnasts would be retired / out-of-form / suffer from growth spurt / etc. after London olympics, so Pavlova could have a chance to re-emerge in international competitions in 2013. If she loves the sport so much and still refuse to retire, I dont see why she would waste her efforts in the last 3 years to suddenly retire. I would not be surprised she will STILL be around even after Mustafina has retired! She could be the next Chusovitina.
@Anonymous9999 Why didn't the coaches change her routines to give her a better chance in Beijing then? Sure she could still be artistic with an extra tumbling run and she's a strong tumbler. I think that Anna is a beautiful gymnast but at times she lets herself down by being inconsistent and no matter how graceful you are and no matter how difficult the routine is, nothing is going to save you if you can't perform on the day.
@Anonymous9999 She seems very emotional (for example, letting the 0 vault score hamper in the FX EF). I hope she will last because I love her artistry but the reason why I asked about whether she's peaked is because she was a lot less inconsistent in the beginning of her career it seems. Btw I watched the aa of Athens and yes her tears were heart breaking! Thanks for replying btw :D musta taken ages to type all that xD
@unevercalled I would say the following words summarize Pavlova's career: sad, emotional, controversial, lonely, innocent.
But ironically, I think it was her Athens' post-AA heartbreaking tears that made her 'famous' and won the hearts of gymnastics fans. Even non-gymnastics people could vaguely remember her because of those tears (plus her great Bejing AA FX - probably the only great FX that failed to win even 1 minor Euro medal in gymnastics history!!!!!)
@unevercalled She cried very sadly (that still makes me feel heartbroken until today!) sitting alone, while everyone was celebrating + cheering for Patterson winning AA gold in Athens. There was even a close-up of her tears flowing down her face when she cried - that was so so so so so sad to watch!!! I am sure you can find it on YouTube (on the last part of Athens AA competition). I dont think anyone would defend for Zhang Nan to say she deserved to be ranked ahead of Pavlova.
@Anonymous9999 I am a huge fan of Chinese gymnasts but I don't love Zhang Nan...she's ok but I never understood what the fuss was? I can't remember the AA competition at Athens so I should really rewatch it...I just remember Carly Patterson won >.< I dislike American gymnasts as much as I love the Chinese! Tbh Anna was still young then wasn't she? She shouldn't have been so hard on herself :(
I wished she would shut her mouth about scruffy legs in the last tumble....Monica you could only do a bloody layout on floor and that was scruffy, sorry in the whip to triple.
The most beautiful and well executed exercise of the decade!! And one of the most (if not the most) elegant gymnasts of all time.... and, sadly, one of the most underrated :(
This is the routine that represents her career - people would always remember her because of this routine (and Maxim Mrvica indirectly gains more reputation because people know him more with Anna's FX music!), even though she did not have a successful career (when it comes to winning medals).
It is sad she probably won't have any chance to make it to Olympics next year...
I can't quite see how she got a 9.15 in execution... It just... Doesn't fit... The only places I'd deduct are for the crossed legs, a step, and feet not aligned on the landing of the triple. Also, flexed feet, low landing, and feet not aligned in the air on the double pike. That's a 9.6 and that's harsh! Therefore, I give Pavs a 15.5. Maybe, to be more exact, you could deduct .2 for separated legs in the air and landing on the double layout. But that's pushing it. These floor judges were morons!
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 I just realized I added that wrong and it should be a 9.4 B score and a 15.3 total. Silly me. And yet, it's still a top comment haha.
@CappieandCaseyFan There actually was a .1 deduction for a step more than shoulder width apart in the 2006-2008 CoP. Now, it's a .3 deduction and a regular step/hop is a .1 deduction. The score was a travesty here. So ridiculous how biased the judges were at some points. This clearly was the highlight of Beijing. I don't know how the judges failed to see it when even the untrained eye recognizes Pavlova's intense beauty, poise, grace, difficulty, execution, and passion for ARTISTIC gymnastics.
@iamyukilee can everyone please leave liukin out of this? Every olympics there are gymnasts over and underscored. If all gymnasts were scored fairly then liukin still wouldve won. Drop it. you can't change the past. For the AA champion she has the most hate.
@gymnastagirl141009 So far yeah thats true...I think people have hated on Nastia over this...she can't help it the judges made their decision. Nobody can deny that Nasita was almost flawless this night. I would have loved to see Pavs get a metal but she was weak on bars. Thats why they still need to tweak scoring to make it more fair...Thus what the FIG has been talking of changes soon. Great post gymnasticsgirl141009. I agree with you about Nastia
@mjlemon There is a ballerine named Anna Pavlova :) But they are not related or whatever ! Her parents did not name her Anna refering to the ballerina either. It's a pure coincidence if they have the same name and the same grace :)
Nearly three years after Beijing, I still can't get over how beautiful this routine is. From the tumbling that just FLOATS to the elegant leaps and the choreography that coincides perfectly with the crescendo of the music, it was truly a breath of fresh air that refused to be stifled by the CoP. Best floor routine of the last quad by far.
i still do not understand the deductions here, and then no deductions on Nastia Liukin rutine. Nastia doesn't have high in the dobble front and basically put her knees behind her ears, i mean the most horrible cowboyed dobble front ever, and then she cross her legs in all the other tumbling passes.
@troco00 Very true. Anna is way cleaner but Nastia's execution score is better...The FX was obvisouly overscored. the winner "bump" but since her UB routine was overscored as well, then I seriously think she should not have been gold.
@troco00 well, techically, in AA, Jiang Yuyuan has the highest A score.(but she failed her amanar so no need to count her) then, indeed, some ppl think Yang Yilin and Shawn performed the best....so....there r many problems around about her gold...and for the UB EF, it's another controversy..sigh..Yang Yilin and Nastia again...by the way, it's a just 0.1 for crossing legs(from minor to major)..so..i really doubt how the penalty works.
@iamyukilee t`Thaaank u !! I also think she doesn't deserve her gold. Everybody sees her body line, her "artistry" but they don't think that gymnastics scoring system is about deduction. And the judges did not take the deductions they should have taken. That's sad. LIke u said, the wolf jump should not have been counted, neither the connexion with the Onodi. It also mean that her BB silver is very questionable. But it's Nastia, so it's "acceptable" LOL
@Missnewyork28 "artistry" belongs to Pavlova! She is really artistic! I love her floor routine...I still don't understand why Nastia Liukin received a 9.325 B-score, Pavlova did perfectly here, only got a 9.15...
btw, I hope I can see Pavlova in 2012 London Olympics.
@iamyukilee Oh dear, that's so true ! Pavlova is just the most exquisite gymnast of the decade (and IMO ever :D)
I love everything she does, there is nothing she could do wrong. She makes everything look beautiful. Liukin's scores was bumped, like her bars for the matter.
I hope to see Pav in London, I doubt she makes it with the upcoming new russian stars but I still hope
Her execution scores were amazing that night, but her difficulty was what did her in unfortunately. Anna is one of my favorite gymnasts and it's sad that she is either underscored or falters under pressure. I think she could have crept up into the medals if she upgraded her bars and floor
@aleksdeabreu on floor her SV was 5.8. She counted 1 F, 1 E (+0.2cv), 1 D, 3 C, 3 B, 1 A
For a gymnast of that calibre, that's hard for me to understand the choices of skills from the coaches. At least her third pass shoudl've been the same as it used to be: 2.5 twist punch front layout step-out.
On bars, there are too many obvious upgrades to mention. Sigh, what a beautiful gymnast...
@Missnewyork28@lepetitpoulet, Now I'm confused because I thought she had a 5.9 and she had a 1/1 switch leap for a D, but in lepetitpoulet's summary of her routine, she only had one D for the double pike...
@lepetitpoulet well is she was less artistic and did less dance to include a 5th pass she would have been scored very high..but now they changed that in the 2009 code lol..so now this floor would actually score better in 2010 than in 2008 lol..how crazy is that.
@aleksdeabreu I think thats the sad thing..gymnast will just throw anything because they can. They need to make a rule that if you can't stick the element it doesn't count at all. For as much as gymnast practice this shouldn't be too hard.
i keep rewinding to watch that beautiful double layed back! mezmorizing! this is a routine where you watch her and say "wow she doesnt have an olympic medal on beam or floor?" huh.. amazing..i love nastia.. my fave gymnast but i dont see how nastia out scores herr on floor..
Believing you're the centre of the world? Yes I noticed you gave yourself the right to undermine other peoples talent and ability to make yourself look good.
You're becoming a joke. But at least I was able to showcase your attitude for what it actually was. I'm glad for that at least.
@elenore88 You are the joke here. You made a whole fuss because I told u I was careful about what commentators says. U are ridiculous. You start attacking me in the first place when I just said that sometimes they don't know what they are talking about, especially miss Elfi Schegel. My attitude ? i"m not gonna apologize because I don't trust commentators. Your attitude is the one to blame here. YOU want to look good and trying to bash me, talking about my ego and stuff. What a waste of time u r
@Missnewyork28 and on the other hand, apart from fake landings, her form break is serious. on offense. but i think most of the times it's overscoring. and i completely agree with u.simply ignore NBC. BBC is better, not just avoiding those mistakes made by american gymnasts ad criticizing the others. and if u understand chinese, i heard CCTV5 is pretty gd also, though the commentator sometimes avoid talking about the negative points of all gymnasts. so..just read the Cop. forget about the others.
@aps010154 I know...that was my point. Obviously some people don't know that what's said on tv is not always accurate and true. Really sad to read this :p
@PeachVampire94 yes :D i think jiang yuyuan shouldve had second and anna third:) but of course im stilll a nastia girl so her.. she deserved gold:) shes a legend when people think of her they think of beautiful russian grace
@gymnastagirl141009 Grace is not about pseudo balletic moves on nice musics. It's about position of the body, your hands, arms, ect. The russian receive ballet class, russian ballet class and you can see on the way the hold their body. Nastia is nowhere close to this. Her origin can't make it for her, it's years and years of practise.
@gymnastagirl141009 Why do you assume I'm of Shawn fan ? because i'm not. So your guess is that because I said Nastia doesn't have the russian grace, I'm a Shawn fan ? What an argument ! I'm not a Shawn fan, at all. I'm a russian gymnastics fan and as far as I know, Shawn is not russian, is she ? And as far as I know, Nastia did not spend her childhood taking class with Anna, Aliya, or all the other russian competing.
@gymnastagirl141009 I never said Shawn was more graceful. And even if Anna was a world champion, that doesn't mean Nastia is even close to as graceful as her mother was.
@gymnastagirl141009 Okay, okay... No need to flip out. Haha, yeah. The New Life rule kind of sucks. This performance would be gold in EF, then Sandra's for silver, and Johnson's for bronze, IMO.
i wish she would've/could've competed her 2 1/2 into front layout step out from athens...so graceful and higher difficulty than her full into front layout step out...she's so original and graceful...just what this sport needs with this new COP
Also her landing is so light because of her control. Most gymnasts thump when they land. That's the beauty of her skill. It sounds to me like you're just jealous. You can't fake the control she has to land so accuratly, lightly and easily. That takes great ability.
@elenore88 That's because it's cheated. She lands leg opens and close them really quickly. So yeah you can fake a landing. She became really goood at it ! A perfect landing would be Pavlova's DLO off bar and on FX.What takes great ability is to land correctly not grabing points by cheating.
@Missnewyork28 Gymnasts thump because of their bodies flying through the air. To have the control to land lightly and perfectly takes a lot of skill. Opening or closing your legs has little to do with it.
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 And I think the commentators know better then us. You're also ignoring my point about her control which enables her to land so perfectly and lightly.
@elenore88 I think most fans know more than the commenatators. Maybe not Christine (she knows a lot). And no, control is how Pavlova stuck both her 1st AA passes in 04 and 08. Control is Musty preforming a super hard 3 1/2 and almost sticking it. Control is Johnson sticking a DTDLO on bars and double double on floor. Control is Cheng Fei's consistant Amanars. Yes, she lands lightly. It's easy when you're 90 pounds and only doing twisting elements. Her "perfect landing" would have legs together.
@elenore88 Don't trust the commentators, especially if the NBC trio. Not to be mean, but they don't know what they are talking about and they are biased. They never talk about deductions, how the CoP works, the skills, the mistakes. BBC commentators tend to be better but sometimes they only points out the positive, which is good but for people who don't know a lot about gymnastics, it infers that a routine was good when sometimes it's not :/ I'm very careful with the commentators :)
@Missnewyork28 so you still know better then them even though they do it professionally in front of millions of viewers who also include many experts. AND you continue to ignore the points I continue to bring up about her control.
Still sounds like sour grapes to me. You can call her a cheat until you're blue in the face but this girl obviously has incredible skill. Like it or lump it. You're just trying to cast doubts over her performance through jealousy. Nasty.
@elenore88 Well now for sure I know YOU don't know anything about gymnastics if you still believe what commentators said or what they did not say. If you learn gymnastics by listening to them, that's probably why you have this speech.
Why should I bea jealous ? There are no reasons, If I have to be jealous, I would be jealous of bessonova or Pavlova for AG but not Liukin. I don't like her gymnastics, why should I bea jealous of someting I don't like ? Silly
@Missnewyork28 So commentators haven't a clue. none whatsoever. but YOU know all about it. better then them, and better then the judges as well I assume or you wouldn't feel the need to go on this bitchy little crusade to undermine peoples view of this gymnast. does she get points deleted for it? Can you PROVE that? How about doing it if you can. If not, stop whining about someone more skillful then yourself and trying to rip her down to satisfy your own petty ego.
@elenore88 The BBC does and some other as well. They are good. But the NBC trio is biaised and never talked about american mistakes. They always praised them like if they were the best and they almost say theyare perfect all the time. Instead of believing commentators PAID to "talk" about gymnastics, I'd rather get my information directly on the CoP or by talking to people who know a lot about gymnastics like judges. I've never said I was better, go get glasses instead of taling about pride LOL
@Missnewyork28 Oh yeah the glasses I need to notice that you're completly ignoring my points again. Can you prove it. No. Are you bitchy, you've been unable to give any evidence to the contrary. Are you wiser then the commentators who are paid to do what they do in front of experts. No. Are you avoiding the issues. YES.
CAN YOU PROVE THAT THE JUDGES DELETE POINTS FOR WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING. Or are you just going to continue on with your whiney little tirade. It's getting boring.
@elenore88 I'm going to ignore you because you have this annoying useless speech. Do you have proves they actually are good commentators ? I don't think so. YOU are enable to give evidence that I'm wrong as well so don't talk. You want proves, take the CoP, read it and deduct her moves everytime she makes something considered as a mistake in the CoP. You will see.
Bitchy, really? Why don't you learn to be polite first. I've never insulted you.
@elenore88 How childish that was, OMG ! I can't believe you DARED say that. For the record, not everyone speaks english. Stop believing, as an english speaker you're the center of the world. How rude, and then you want to give lessons to people ? Why don't you hide yourself somewhere instead ?
Don't care if I make english mistakes, it's not my first language and I do my best. LMAO serisously. You totally made my day.
her landings are perfect. 'fake' good. give me a break. you can't 'fake' a good landing.
I wish they'd wear tights though. guys make crude comments about gymnasts for a reason. if you want respect in a sport, you have to earn it legitimatly and some things just take it away.
@elenore88 You're supposed to land with glued feet. No seperation between them. Feel free to check her FX and VT, with slow motion you'll see she lands with her feet seperated and closes very quickly like if she landed correctly. I called this a fake good landing. because it looks like an amazing landing but it's cheated.
@Missnewyork28 I'm not a judge, but the commentators seem to have no problem with it. I think they'd know more then you or I. AND I have done tumbling, and what she is doing is very, very difficult. It looks pretty perfect to me.
I freakin love Anna!!!!! She is sooo graceful, artistic, elegant, classical, powerful, & talented!!!!!! I wish she would have one a medal at these games! But in my mind she has!
Don't dis the british. Tweddle's 26 and is gunna atempt to do the 2012 olympics, so if Myzdrikova enters then you'll just have to see her get robbed again
@Solyle37 No!!!!! Omg! I'm still so sad about Anna. I thought she deserved it with all her risk. Tweddle is old and her bars are fantastic. But a real gymnast who sticks with the sport is CHUSO!!!! =D
This is the kind of performance you dream about.
realgymtalk 2 days ago
this is just a beautiful piece. goes terrific with Pavlova's elegance. waay to underscored.
ELangelfilms 2 weeks ago
I watch it once a day like a habit while at work...
Anonymous9999 1 month ago
I could watch this all day
purplegirl353 1 month ago
I think it is not a bad choice to coach, if her chance to compete internationally is almost 0%, as she seems to be blacklisted by the head coaches after her mistakes in Beijing. Who knows she could learn from her mistakes and become a late-boomer? But it seems she is not given one last chance...
Anonymous9999 1 month ago
There is a video on her official website showing her + her mother coaching junior gymnasts. Anna still looks beautiful + elegant. She was interviewed at about 03:00 in the video. I am sure she will be a very good coach when she retires (it seems the clock is ticking and her retirement is approaching soon...). Would she coach her gymnasts to do a stunning floor routine like her memorable Beijing AA floor?
Anonymous9999 1 month ago
in my eyes she is the all around champion!
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xRAPxPaulistano91 2 months ago
What a lovely lady she grew up to be
RiciB1974 2 months ago
She is so beautiful
RiciB1974 2 months ago
Love this routine! One of favorites ever! And just like her said "Power with Elegance"
GymnasticsFan1144 2 months ago
Beautiful! Perhaps the best exercise I've seen this beautiful gymnast who is one of the few who do it with elegance.
UGGO87 2 months ago
i love this routine from her its just perfect. if only she had done a 2.5 twist front layout it would have been the best routine on earth
leaeze96 2 months ago
And I think she showed sportmanship in this competition to hug Jiang Yuyuan. She was also the first one to congratulate Liukin when her FX came up. She clearly knew she had 0% chance to medal (due to UB low D-score), yet she still tried her best and hit all 4 routines!!! Does anyone notice that, without the UB score, she would have won bronze here? She also should have won Athens AA bronze, does anyone remember her painful tears at the end of that competition? It made the TV viewers heartbroken!
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
I think she is the only bright star in the 2003-2008 period, when Russian women's team was in a deep slump.
But honestly, she is really not in the same category as Podkopayeva / Zamolodchikova / etc. (not as mentally + physically strong as them)
And she competed in the wrong era - these COPs really dont suit her.
If she competed in 1990s, she could win 2-3 individual golds, 1-2 AA minor medals, and have a career similar to Kochetkova / Lysenko.
This FX could win 1996 Olympic gold!
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
the only time ill ever argue with the score is for anna pavlova
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xRAPxPaulistano91 3 months ago
She'll be remembered by gym fans for her elegance and beauty... She should have won WAY more medals than she did.
Floatie114 3 months ago
I like very much, the moment when Pavlova kissed Jiang!
javito1229 3 months ago
ShawnVikaKomova2012, I am Sorry, but we are now talking about how beautiful Anna Pavlova is not only technically, but also as a gymnast. Look at her style, look like a gymnast keeps up with this! Visible pride and dignity. Nor any sloppy, confusing movements are clearly the music. How you can talk about technique when the show is not just a gym, where there is beauty and power at the same time!
Layevskay 3 months ago
I remember jerky off to this girl when she was on tb in athens, ohhh fuck me anna pavlova....
xRAPxPaulistano91 3 months ago
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HDgymnastics 4 months ago
@MrAerial12345 Silver in Athens is what she truly deserved. Sveta's medal was a mea culpa for what happen in Sydney and Nan came out of nowhere. Pav was the scape goat..:(
Her weakness was bars but it's also due to the COP who favors bar worker (hence NL gold medal). But her beam scored well, she scored around 15.9. It's a good score especially when you know she had a few wobble and did not hit her connection. Full capacity, she could eeasily score a 16.2 or 16.3 :) I miss my Pavlova (:
Missnewyork28 4 months ago
It is sad that she was so close to making the Russian team in 2010 and 2011, and in both occasions the team won a Worlds team final medals. Pavlova is the type of gymnast to have big influence on the sport, yet struggling to win medals. Her chance for 2012 Olympics is almost 0%, but I hope she would aim for 2013 Worlds? She could compete until an old age and nobody can stop her, but the biggst problem is the Russian coaches dont want to use her anymore. Life is so difficult and unfair to her...
Anonymous9999 4 months ago
@Anonymous9999 hey do you know why she didn't make it into the national teams in 2010/2011? Was she injured or is she just being displaced by newer arrivals?
unevercalled 3 months ago
@unevercalled She made it to the final 8 for selection in 2010 Worlds, but was the only one not chosen at the end (because of coaches' uncertainty about her injury + health status).
In 2011, she only got her 2 vaults back and won the V in Russian Cup, but her UB (which is always hopeless), BB and FX are still not up to international standards, so it is understandable that she is surpassed by young members and not chosen.
I rather think she has a chance in 2013-2016. London: almost 0% chance...
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
@Anonymous9999 @Anonymous9999 I hope her career will not end here because the lack of medals is not a reflection on her as a gymnast :(
unevercalled 3 months ago
@unevercalled I would not say her career is bad, because she won 5 euro medals (4 silver, 1 bronze), 2 Olympic bronze, and 1 Worlds bronze. She really would not be like Milosovici / Gogean / Boginskaya / Miller / Liukin / Podkopayeva, winning lots of medals. She failed to win medals mainly because of (1) her inconsistency problem, (2) Russian team was weak or she would have won more team final medals.
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
@Anonymous9999 I have to ask...do you think she's peaked?
unevercalled 2 months ago
@unevercalled We never know the answer since she was injured right after Beijing.
If she did not suffer this injury and duplicate her Beijing AA performance in 2009 Worlds, she could easily win a silver or bronze in AA, or probably be Floor world champion, because the 2009-2012 COP only allowed a maximum of 4 tumbling passes (this is why she would never win a FX medal in Beijing even if she hit/hit/hit everything, as Cheng / Izbasa / Johnson / Jiang did 5 passes. Pavlova won't crazily do that.
Anonymous9999 2 months ago
@unevercalled Comparing her Athens and Beijing routines: (1) V remained the same, (2) her UB was slightly easier in Beijing, (3) her BB was more or less the same in both Games, (4) her FX became more difficult (double layout). It seemed she peaked at the right time (in 2004 + 2008), but too bad she failed to win AA bronze in Athens. In Beijing, if she did not mess up, she could win bronze in TF + BB (she could only be no.5 on AA, V and FX, even if she hit everything, due to the poor COP...)
Anonymous9999 2 months ago
@unevercalled And even without that ugly zero-scoring incident in V final, she could only finish no.5 best. Or I should say, she was doomed to fail to medal BEFORE the start of the competition in AA, V and FX, because of her lower D-score. She was so unlucky to compete in this era with such a poor COP. Her career would be much better had she competed in the 1990s. Her Beijing FX is the only type of routine (artistry + tumbling) that could threaten Podkopayeva for Atlanta FX gold title.
Anonymous9999 2 months ago
@unevercalled When I saw Afanasyeva winning FX gold in the 2011 Worlds, I had a sour feeling for Pavlova. Why could Afan win gold but Pavlova cannot (and never will, sigh...)? Pavlova's Beijing FX was actually better than Afan's 2011 FX routine. Now with Mustafina / Komova / Grishina / Sidorova coming up, and the others like Nabieva / Afan / Dementyeva / Belokobylskaya / Inshina / Paseka coming up, Pavlova had 0% chance for 2012 Olympics. I do hope she will aim for 2013-2016 though...
Anonymous9999 2 months ago
@unevercalled (Last comment to you) I only hope lots of gymnasts would be retired / out-of-form / suffer from growth spurt / etc. after London olympics, so Pavlova could have a chance to re-emerge in international competitions in 2013. If she loves the sport so much and still refuse to retire, I dont see why she would waste her efforts in the last 3 years to suddenly retire. I would not be surprised she will STILL be around even after Mustafina has retired! She could be the next Chusovitina.
Anonymous9999 2 months ago
@Anonymous9999 Why didn't the coaches change her routines to give her a better chance in Beijing then? Sure she could still be artistic with an extra tumbling run and she's a strong tumbler. I think that Anna is a beautiful gymnast but at times she lets herself down by being inconsistent and no matter how graceful you are and no matter how difficult the routine is, nothing is going to save you if you can't perform on the day.
unevercalled 2 months ago
@Anonymous9999 She seems very emotional (for example, letting the 0 vault score hamper in the FX EF). I hope she will last because I love her artistry but the reason why I asked about whether she's peaked is because she was a lot less inconsistent in the beginning of her career it seems. Btw I watched the aa of Athens and yes her tears were heart breaking! Thanks for replying btw :D musta taken ages to type all that xD
unevercalled 2 months ago
@unevercalled I also think she was CLEARLY robbed the following times:
(1) Athens AA bronze: I am 100% sure even Zhang Nan herself knew Pavlova deserved the bronze more than her.
(2) 2005 Euro AA: she won silver, but she was robbed again. She lost gold by 0.25 to Marine Debauve (nobody would bother to remeber her)
(3) Beijing BB bronze: She missed 1 skill, but overall she did better than Cheng Fei. Cheng had a HUGH HUGE wobble (which last 2 seconds long!)!
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
@unevercalled I would say the following words summarize Pavlova's career: sad, emotional, controversial, lonely, innocent.
But ironically, I think it was her Athens' post-AA heartbreaking tears that made her 'famous' and won the hearts of gymnastics fans. Even non-gymnastics people could vaguely remember her because of those tears (plus her great Bejing AA FX - probably the only great FX that failed to win even 1 minor Euro medal in gymnastics history!!!!!)
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
@Anonymous9999 what post athens heartbreaking tears?
unevercalled 3 months ago
@unevercalled She cried very sadly (that still makes me feel heartbroken until today!) sitting alone, while everyone was celebrating + cheering for Patterson winning AA gold in Athens. There was even a close-up of her tears flowing down her face when she cried - that was so so so so so sad to watch!!! I am sure you can find it on YouTube (on the last part of Athens AA competition). I dont think anyone would defend for Zhang Nan to say she deserved to be ranked ahead of Pavlova.
Anonymous9999 3 months ago
@Anonymous9999 I am a huge fan of Chinese gymnasts but I don't love Zhang Nan...she's ok but I never understood what the fuss was? I can't remember the AA competition at Athens so I should really rewatch it...I just remember Carly Patterson won >.< I dislike American gymnasts as much as I love the Chinese! Tbh Anna was still young then wasn't she? She shouldn't have been so hard on herself :(
unevercalled 2 months ago
@MrAerial12345 Have you seen Nastia's leg form?
TamarjanFan95 4 months ago
how old is she???? anna pavlova is amazing!!!
BrookeTrapp 4 months ago
@BrookeTrapp in 2008, 21 years old
javito1229 4 months ago
I wished she would shut her mouth about scruffy legs in the last tumble....Monica you could only do a bloody layout on floor and that was scruffy, sorry in the whip to triple.
peruomo 5 months ago
I wished she would shut her mouth about scruffy legs in the last tumble....Monica you could only do a bloody layout on floor and that was scruffy
peruomo 5 months ago
To me, one of the most UNDERdecorated gymnasts! She always seems to land outside of the medals. Pity- her gymnastics is just beautiful.
spartyutube 5 months ago
CRIMINALLY UNDERSCORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bdfan4ever 5 months ago
who can dislike this.... So beautiful!!!!
csbhaskar 5 months ago
The most beautiful and well executed exercise of the decade!! And one of the most (if not the most) elegant gymnasts of all time.... and, sadly, one of the most underrated :(
Deidamia 5 months ago
This routine represents the peak of her career. I think Maksim Mrvica indirectly gains more reputation because of this floor music!
Anonymous9999 6 months ago 4
This is the routine that represents her career - people would always remember her because of this routine (and Maxim Mrvica indirectly gains more reputation because people know him more with Anna's FX music!), even though she did not have a successful career (when it comes to winning medals).
It is sad she probably won't have any chance to make it to Olympics next year...
Anonymous9999 6 months ago
perfection!! i love her!
SusiieeH 6 months ago
BEAUTIFUL routnine!!! Awesome job, Anna!!! You rocked this and this was amazing. She had such elegance and she KNEW she could do it!
thejadedancer24 6 months ago
Why does the judge put her head down when she lands that double lay out? It was perfect!
kakumei77 6 months ago
@kakumei77 Legs separated maybe... Not sure how.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago
Anna Pavlova got so much less credit than deserved as an international elite gymnast. She is truly artistic transcendence.
gymnastgirl1232 6 months ago
I can't quite see how she got a 9.15 in execution... It just... Doesn't fit... The only places I'd deduct are for the crossed legs, a step, and feet not aligned on the landing of the triple. Also, flexed feet, low landing, and feet not aligned in the air on the double pike. That's a 9.6 and that's harsh! Therefore, I give Pavs a 15.5. Maybe, to be more exact, you could deduct .2 for separated legs in the air and landing on the double layout. But that's pushing it. These floor judges were morons!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago 15
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 I just realized I added that wrong and it should be a 9.4 B score and a 15.3 total. Silly me. And yet, it's still a top comment haha.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 3 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 There was no deduction for a step after a pass in this code. The score on this routine is a travesty.
CappieandCaseyFan 2 months ago
@CappieandCaseyFan There actually was a .1 deduction for a step more than shoulder width apart in the 2006-2008 CoP. Now, it's a .3 deduction and a regular step/hop is a .1 deduction. The score was a travesty here. So ridiculous how biased the judges were at some points. This clearly was the highlight of Beijing. I don't know how the judges failed to see it when even the untrained eye recognizes Pavlova's intense beauty, poise, grace, difficulty, execution, and passion for ARTISTIC gymnastics.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 2 months ago
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M0PSTER 7 months ago
OMG..... perfection.......
itisonlysasa 7 months ago
one of the last truly artistic gymnasts...
horsejumpergurl107 7 months ago
Shlimazl (Yiddish) - Somebody who has nothing but bad luck.
HDgymnastics 7 months ago
i love this routine!!!
gymchick3345 7 months ago
@iamyukilee can everyone please leave liukin out of this? Every olympics there are gymnasts over and underscored. If all gymnasts were scored fairly then liukin still wouldve won. Drop it. you can't change the past. For the AA champion she has the most hate.
gymnastagirl141009 7 months ago 2
@gymnastagirl141009 So far yeah thats true...I think people have hated on Nastia over this...she can't help it the judges made their decision. Nobody can deny that Nasita was almost flawless this night. I would have loved to see Pavs get a metal but she was weak on bars. Thats why they still need to tweak scoring to make it more fair...Thus what the FIG has been talking of changes soon. Great post gymnasticsgirl141009. I agree with you about Nastia
LCAmarkymark 7 months ago
Wasn't she a ballerina?? wow great song...
05werewolf 7 months ago
I can't stop watching the double layout. Stuck cold!
mjlemon 7 months ago 17
@mjlemon There is a ballerine named Anna Pavlova :) But they are not related or whatever ! Her parents did not name her Anna refering to the ballerina either. It's a pure coincidence if they have the same name and the same grace :)
Missnewyork28 7 months ago
She's one of the few Olympic gymnasts that is graceful and elegant. But what's ironic is....she hates dancing.
mynameisnterin 7 months ago
I love that now you can only do four tumbling passes max and her routine would be amazing for todays code of points
LCAmarkymark 7 months ago
she has the most amazing double layout! And i love the layout step out from the front full!
kewltumbler1 7 months ago
My jaw dropped to the floor. She is the definition of perfection!
Wildcatsareamazing 8 months ago
One of the best double layouts I've seen.
Tribute2the80s 8 months ago 4
It was nice(extremmly perfect)I wish you get gold
keiyanice 8 months ago 2
Nearly three years after Beijing, I still can't get over how beautiful this routine is. From the tumbling that just FLOATS to the elegant leaps and the choreography that coincides perfectly with the crescendo of the music, it was truly a breath of fresh air that refused to be stifled by the CoP. Best floor routine of the last quad by far.
glibster 8 months ago 57
@glibster The best thing about this floor is that its better suited for this COP this routine would have gotten some wonderful scores now days.
LCAmarkymark 7 months ago
i still do not understand the deductions here, and then no deductions on Nastia Liukin rutine. Nastia doesn't have high in the dobble front and basically put her knees behind her ears, i mean the most horrible cowboyed dobble front ever, and then she cross her legs in all the other tumbling passes.
troco00 9 months ago
@troco00 Very true. Anna is way cleaner but Nastia's execution score is better...The FX was obvisouly overscored. the winner "bump" but since her UB routine was overscored as well, then I seriously think she should not have been gold.
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
@troco00 well, techically, in AA, Jiang Yuyuan has the highest A score.(but she failed her amanar so no need to count her) then, indeed, some ppl think Yang Yilin and Shawn performed the best....so....there r many problems around about her gold...and for the UB EF, it's another controversy..sigh..Yang Yilin and Nastia again...by the way, it's a just 0.1 for crossing legs(from minor to major)..so..i really doubt how the penalty works.
aps010154 9 months ago
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iamyukilee 8 months ago 3
@iamyukilee t`Thaaank u !! I also think she doesn't deserve her gold. Everybody sees her body line, her "artistry" but they don't think that gymnastics scoring system is about deduction. And the judges did not take the deductions they should have taken. That's sad. LIke u said, the wolf jump should not have been counted, neither the connexion with the Onodi. It also mean that her BB silver is very questionable. But it's Nastia, so it's "acceptable" LOL
Missnewyork28 8 months ago
@Missnewyork28 "artistry" belongs to Pavlova! She is really artistic! I love her floor routine...I still don't understand why Nastia Liukin received a 9.325 B-score, Pavlova did perfectly here, only got a 9.15...
btw, I hope I can see Pavlova in 2012 London Olympics.
iamyukilee 8 months ago 4
@iamyukilee Oh dear, that's so true ! Pavlova is just the most exquisite gymnast of the decade (and IMO ever :D)
I love everything she does, there is nothing she could do wrong. She makes everything look beautiful. Liukin's scores was bumped, like her bars for the matter.
I hope to see Pav in London, I doubt she makes it with the upcoming new russian stars but I still hope
Missnewyork28 8 months ago 4
Pavlova is awsome graceful and beautiful, she's all that !!!
100kenbray 9 months ago 3
what is the title of the music..? i really love it...........
ronaldbalete81 9 months ago
still 0 dislikes : ))))))
moro116 9 months ago
Her execution scores were amazing that night, but her difficulty was what did her in unfortunately. Anna is one of my favorite gymnasts and it's sad that she is either underscored or falters under pressure. I think she could have crept up into the medals if she upgraded her bars and floor
aleksdeabreu 9 months ago
@aleksdeabreu on floor her SV was 5.8. She counted 1 F, 1 E (+0.2cv), 1 D, 3 C, 3 B, 1 A
For a gymnast of that calibre, that's hard for me to understand the choices of skills from the coaches. At least her third pass shoudl've been the same as it used to be: 2.5 twist punch front layout step-out.
On bars, there are too many obvious upgrades to mention. Sigh, what a beautiful gymnast...
lepetitpoulet 9 months ago
@lepetitpoulet The commentators said that he was 5.9. Which skill was downgraded then ?
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
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lepetitpoulet 9 months ago
@lepetitpoulet You forgot the switch ring I think :)
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
@Missnewyork28 @lepetitpoulet, Now I'm confused because I thought she had a 5.9 and she had a 1/1 switch leap for a D, but in lepetitpoulet's summary of her routine, she only had one D for the double pike...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 8 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 But now I see it's only a 1/1 split leap. Hmm... What could've possibly been downgraded?
ShawnVikaKomova2012 8 months ago
@lepetitpoulet well is she was less artistic and did less dance to include a 5th pass she would have been scored very high..but now they changed that in the 2009 code lol..so now this floor would actually score better in 2010 than in 2008 lol..how crazy is that.
LCAmarkymark 9 months ago
@aleksdeabreu I think thats the sad thing..gymnast will just throw anything because they can. They need to make a rule that if you can't stick the element it doesn't count at all. For as much as gymnast practice this shouldn't be too hard.
LCAmarkymark 9 months ago
I <3 THE DOUBLE LAYOUT!!!!!!!! GORGEOUS!!! :-)
uvahooful 9 months ago 4
i keep rewinding to watch that beautiful double layed back! mezmorizing! this is a routine where you watch her and say "wow she doesnt have an olympic medal on beam or floor?" huh.. amazing..i love nastia.. my fave gymnast but i dont see how nastia out scores herr on floor..
gymnastagirl141009 9 months ago
I wonder if she is related to Anna palova the ballet dancer they have the same grace and the same name
helga141 9 months ago
she has amazing heigh and fluidity
Uknowhoo971 9 months ago
0 dislikes:d
pommelhorse16 9 months ago
0 dislikes :d
TheOrlandocool 10 months ago
Believing you're the centre of the world? Yes I noticed you gave yourself the right to undermine other peoples talent and ability to make yourself look good.
You're becoming a joke. But at least I was able to showcase your attitude for what it actually was. I'm glad for that at least.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 You are the joke here. You made a whole fuss because I told u I was careful about what commentators says. U are ridiculous. You start attacking me in the first place when I just said that sometimes they don't know what they are talking about, especially miss Elfi Schegel. My attitude ? i"m not gonna apologize because I don't trust commentators. Your attitude is the one to blame here. YOU want to look good and trying to bash me, talking about my ego and stuff. What a waste of time u r
Missnewyork28 10 months ago 7
@Missnewyork28 and on the other hand, apart from fake landings, her form break is serious. on offense. but i think most of the times it's overscoring. and i completely agree with u.simply ignore NBC. BBC is better, not just avoiding those mistakes made by american gymnasts ad criticizing the others. and if u understand chinese, i heard CCTV5 is pretty gd also, though the commentator sometimes avoid talking about the negative points of all gymnasts. so..just read the Cop. forget about the others.
aps010154 9 months ago
@aps010154 I know...that was my point. Obviously some people don't know that what's said on tv is not always accurate and true. Really sad to read this :p
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
This score just seems so low to me. Sigh. Pavlova can never catch a break.
jcbroadw 10 months ago 46
how tall is she? she looks like agiant, and to have that power:p her and nastia are my idols for that!
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 She was 5'3" here. Sandra Izbasa is 5'6". Taller than even Khorki who was 5'5"!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
one of the most underscored gymnasts of all time. shame :(
LMA629 10 months ago
peachvamp., artistic gymnastics is a different sport than you see up here 'fyi'
turtlepond101 10 months ago
she should of won( I don't judge on the country, I judge on their performance) she has a trick to make people stop and stare in amazement :)
turtlepond101 10 months ago
i really like the music for some reason it reminds me of star wars hahah
msms68 10 months ago
@PeachVampire94 yeah sure(:
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@PeachVampire94 yes :D i think jiang yuyuan shouldve had second and anna third:) but of course im stilll a nastia girl so her.. she deserved gold:) shes a legend when people think of her they think of beautiful russian grace
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 I think of nothing close to beautiful Russian grace when I think of Liukin.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 so shawn was more of a graceful russian. face it, nastias mother was a world champion in rythimic.
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Grace is not about pseudo balletic moves on nice musics. It's about position of the body, your hands, arms, ect. The russian receive ballet class, russian ballet class and you can see on the way the hold their body. Nastia is nowhere close to this. Her origin can't make it for her, it's years and years of practise.
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 well she has years and years of practice. just taking a wild guess your a shawn johnson fan. please stop replying to me your annoying
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Why do you assume I'm of Shawn fan ? because i'm not. So your guess is that because I said Nastia doesn't have the russian grace, I'm a Shawn fan ? What an argument ! I'm not a Shawn fan, at all. I'm a russian gymnastics fan and as far as I know, Shawn is not russian, is she ? And as far as I know, Nastia did not spend her childhood taking class with Anna, Aliya, or all the other russian competing.
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 ok ok sorry, just everyone gives nastia bull shi and it pisses me off because shes my idol.
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 You don't need grace to be a good gymnast, look at Shawn :D
I was just saying that she doesn't have russian grace, it's no shame, all the other gymnast in the world don't ;)
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 Exactly! Nastia's so-called "dance" is mostly switching poses every second!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 I never said Shawn was more graceful. And even if Anna was a world champion, that doesn't mean Nastia is even close to as graceful as her mother was.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Also I forgot to mention that Jiang fell on her Amanar... Do you really want a fall and still give someone a silver medal?
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 i meant on floor?
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Oh okay. My bad. But you liked Nastia's floor over Sandra's? Well then...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 And actually, Anna fell on her double pike in EF on floor. I probably would give her a medal either way.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 omgg i was looking at her performance now. not just the ef. i know it doesnt work like that though. chill
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Okay, okay... No need to flip out. Haha, yeah. The New Life rule kind of sucks. This performance would be gold in EF, then Sandra's for silver, and Johnson's for bronze, IMO.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 im just too conufzzled now. haa ok.
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
i wish she would've/could've competed her 2 1/2 into front layout step out from athens...so graceful and higher difficulty than her full into front layout step out...she's so original and graceful...just what this sport needs with this new COP
toomuchgoingon 10 months ago
@PeachVampire94 THANKYOU!!!!!!! i hate shawn! she cat even hit a split! god knows how she got second.
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
Also her landing is so light because of her control. Most gymnasts thump when they land. That's the beauty of her skill. It sounds to me like you're just jealous. You can't fake the control she has to land so accuratly, lightly and easily. That takes great ability.
elenore88 11 months ago
@elenore88 That's because it's cheated. She lands leg opens and close them really quickly. So yeah you can fake a landing. She became really goood at it ! A perfect landing would be Pavlova's DLO off bar and on FX.What takes great ability is to land correctly not grabing points by cheating.
Missnewyork28 11 months ago
@Missnewyork28 Gymnasts thump because of their bodies flying through the air. To have the control to land lightly and perfectly takes a lot of skill. Opening or closing your legs has little to do with it.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 Most gymnasts land with legs separated. Nastia quickly puts them together to avoid a .1 deduction. I think Missnewyork knows her facts.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 And I think the commentators know better then us. You're also ignoring my point about her control which enables her to land so perfectly and lightly.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 I think most fans know more than the commenatators. Maybe not Christine (she knows a lot). And no, control is how Pavlova stuck both her 1st AA passes in 04 and 08. Control is Musty preforming a super hard 3 1/2 and almost sticking it. Control is Johnson sticking a DTDLO on bars and double double on floor. Control is Cheng Fei's consistant Amanars. Yes, she lands lightly. It's easy when you're 90 pounds and only doing twisting elements. Her "perfect landing" would have legs together.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 10 months ago
@elenore88 Don't trust the commentators, especially if the NBC trio. Not to be mean, but they don't know what they are talking about and they are biased. They never talk about deductions, how the CoP works, the skills, the mistakes. BBC commentators tend to be better but sometimes they only points out the positive, which is good but for people who don't know a lot about gymnastics, it infers that a routine was good when sometimes it's not :/ I'm very careful with the commentators :)
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 so you still know better then them even though they do it professionally in front of millions of viewers who also include many experts. AND you continue to ignore the points I continue to bring up about her control.
Still sounds like sour grapes to me. You can call her a cheat until you're blue in the face but this girl obviously has incredible skill. Like it or lump it. You're just trying to cast doubts over her performance through jealousy. Nasty.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 Well now for sure I know YOU don't know anything about gymnastics if you still believe what commentators said or what they did not say. If you learn gymnastics by listening to them, that's probably why you have this speech.
Why should I bea jealous ? There are no reasons, If I have to be jealous, I would be jealous of bessonova or Pavlova for AG but not Liukin. I don't like her gymnastics, why should I bea jealous of someting I don't like ? Silly
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 So commentators haven't a clue. none whatsoever. but YOU know all about it. better then them, and better then the judges as well I assume or you wouldn't feel the need to go on this bitchy little crusade to undermine peoples view of this gymnast. does she get points deleted for it? Can you PROVE that? How about doing it if you can. If not, stop whining about someone more skillful then yourself and trying to rip her down to satisfy your own petty ego.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 The BBC does and some other as well. They are good. But the NBC trio is biaised and never talked about american mistakes. They always praised them like if they were the best and they almost say theyare perfect all the time. Instead of believing commentators PAID to "talk" about gymnastics, I'd rather get my information directly on the CoP or by talking to people who know a lot about gymnastics like judges. I've never said I was better, go get glasses instead of taling about pride LOL
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@Missnewyork28 Oh yeah the glasses I need to notice that you're completly ignoring my points again. Can you prove it. No. Are you bitchy, you've been unable to give any evidence to the contrary. Are you wiser then the commentators who are paid to do what they do in front of experts. No. Are you avoiding the issues. YES.
CAN YOU PROVE THAT THE JUDGES DELETE POINTS FOR WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING. Or are you just going to continue on with your whiney little tirade. It's getting boring.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 I'm going to ignore you because you have this annoying useless speech. Do you have proves they actually are good commentators ? I don't think so. YOU are enable to give evidence that I'm wrong as well so don't talk. You want proves, take the CoP, read it and deduct her moves everytime she makes something considered as a mistake in the CoP. You will see.
Bitchy, really? Why don't you learn to be polite first. I've never insulted you.
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
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@Missnewyork28 why don't you learn to speak english.
elenore88 10 months ago
@elenore88 How childish that was, OMG ! I can't believe you DARED say that. For the record, not everyone speaks english. Stop believing, as an english speaker you're the center of the world. How rude, and then you want to give lessons to people ? Why don't you hide yourself somewhere instead ?
Don't care if I make english mistakes, it's not my first language and I do my best. LMAO serisously. You totally made my day.
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
her landings are perfect. 'fake' good. give me a break. you can't 'fake' a good landing.
I wish they'd wear tights though. guys make crude comments about gymnasts for a reason. if you want respect in a sport, you have to earn it legitimatly and some things just take it away.
elenore88 11 months ago
@elenore88 You're supposed to land with glued feet. No seperation between them. Feel free to check her FX and VT, with slow motion you'll see she lands with her feet seperated and closes very quickly like if she landed correctly. I called this a fake good landing. because it looks like an amazing landing but it's cheated.
Missnewyork28 11 months ago
@Missnewyork28 I'm not a judge, but the commentators seem to have no problem with it. I think they'd know more then you or I. AND I have done tumbling, and what she is doing is very, very difficult. It looks pretty perfect to me.
elenore88 11 months ago
I like shawn johnson way better than these losers she was AWESOME on dancing with the stars i voted like million times for her!!!1
551349 11 months ago
@551349 did you seriously just call Anna a loser? on this video of all videos?!?!
paiges38 11 months ago
for some reason... this is my favorite leotard of all time 0.o
gymnastagirl141009 11 months ago
I freakin love Anna!!!!! She is sooo graceful, artistic, elegant, classical, powerful, & talented!!!!!! I wish she would have one a medal at these games! But in my mind she has!
GymnasticsFan1144 11 months ago
She could do wonders with this routine nowadays. 5.8 is the average difficulty (because the pass maximum). This would've won gold in 2009 and 2010.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 11 months ago
She's just phenomenal
annaisjesus 11 months ago
I always liked anna....... but the Russians are a little to quick for me.
pimpernell01 11 months ago
This pisses me off!!! If she'd done this in the FX EF and in the TF I'm sure Russia would've had two bronze medals in the bag easy.
steelersboy2009 11 months ago
Anna Pavlova made me love Maksim Mrvica.. Just from watching this!
chrislindsey14 1 year ago
its a matter of style preference really. Ana has a different style and technique than other gymnists
4FabBEATLES 1 year ago
Don't dis the british. Tweddle's 26 and is gunna atempt to do the 2012 olympics, so if Myzdrikova enters then you'll just have to see her get robbed again
Solyle37 1 year ago
@Solyle37 No!!!!! Omg! I'm still so sad about Anna. I thought she deserved it with all her risk. Tweddle is old and her bars are fantastic. But a real gymnast who sticks with the sport is CHUSO!!!! =D
ShawnVikaKomova2012 11 months ago