Let me get this straight... Citizens can't have guns but everyones bodyguard in DC carries one? And that's somehow right, just and fair? Double standard maybe?
Anyone who wants guns banned had a bad experiance with them or is just ignorant. Like charlton heston said "they dont know a semi auto from a sharp stick"
making a law against guns won't stop criminals fro getting guns. criminals don't care about a law against guns, they'll break the law. they're criminals, it's their job to break the law
All gun bans should be met with civil disobedience. These laws are null and void under the Constitution, thus it is our civic duty to not only protest against the induction of these laws but also to refuse to obey them when they pass.
As an atheist, hispanic, asian, 23 year old male living in the US of A, I am glad I still have the right, and every law abiding citizen around me, still has the right to bear arms. The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populace.
I noticed that the majority of comments here center on calling other people names. I would suggest that most of you read a book titled "The dark side of Man" written by Michael P. Ghiglieri - published in 1999 by Perseus books. I think it would clear up some misconceptions held about mankind & what makes violence seem so easy for him. The mind is the weapon - Everything else is a tool. Look at England and any other country that has banned guns - did it stop the killing - no - read why.
the day some government personel come to my home to take my righteously owned guns will be the day I hand them over bullet heads first and as part of a message to all people who own guns (the militias) that we must prepare to resist tyranny.
Listen very closely people. Once we lose our firearms we will lose our freedoms and can be controled like people are in China, Russia, Cuba and all other fascist states. A COUNTRY THAT DISARMS IT'S CITIZENS IS A COUNTRY NOT WORTH LIVING IN. There is no questioning the 2nd ammendment.
buy more ammo man guns are going to get banned and martial law will be dropped next thing you know we are all getting invaded by foreign troops buy more ammo before it is too late
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this one of the dumbest comments ive heard dude what are 14 or something you must have never been in the streets jail or nothing your just running your mouth
shut the fuck up you idiot you know nothing if guns are banned we are all fucked the second amendment states that if the government is not representing its citizens to its full potential we have the right to form a militia and over throw the government once guns are banned and the martial law is dropped you will see what i mean do research BE INFORMED PLEASE DO RESEARCH ITS HAPPENING IT IS REAL ITS GOING DOWN
you can see how well gun bans work. look at chicago. its a county wide "free gun zone". It gaurantees your victim is helpless. All criminals have a free hands there, because they cant get shot except by the police, and we know they are everywhere right? You could do what the Bradys say, give them what they want, like your wife to rape. OH! and your daughter too. I hope he doesnt kill them while he's at it. And make him some coffee so he can keep his energy up to hit then next house. Thank him!
Brady came up with a grading system for different states, giving better grades for more gun control. Ironically enough, the states with the absolute lowest grades have the lowest crime rates, and the states with the highest grades have the highest crime rates - is there a connection here? To me it is just bizarre we hear so much about gun bans in the name of safety. There's no way someone can prove taking guns away from ordinary people stops crime dead in it's tracks.
Exactly, thus the UK gun ban shows us how well it works. I went onto a british site about some coat that came with a swiss army knife and the owners of the store were nearly attacked because of the thoughtless endangerment of society!
... WHAT?! Its a 2" knife! But then again knife crime is absolutely rampant there.
Simple. Its the PEOPLE that are criminals, not some chunk of lifeless metal, be it knife or gun.
I heard in Britain and Australia they also banned any knife with a sharp point. Because if we ban all knifes that can be used for stabbing no one will ever be able to stab someone right? In prison people make knifes out of bed springs and toilet paper, and they're very effective stabbing weapons. It's the one thing about Liberals that really pisses me off, the answer to the world's problems is always another law. But on the other hand conservatives have (ugh) Anne Coulter to be ashamed of.
I think we need more gun rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a right not only that protects us from criminals but it also protects us from the government. i think that all FIREARM bans should be lifted. it is completely legal to own an assault rife in some states you just have to pay the government to get a "pass", and pay allot of money for the firearm<-stupid......
if i want a 50 cal rifle or a SAW its no ones business but my own. people think were free we arnt free.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson: "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
It's more like, the government has become unconstitutional!... the right to bare arms will FOREVER stay constitutional!!! - No matter WHAT crappy bill or bogus law comes about to the contrary.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson
Right On!... and why the heck is ejb812's comment marked as spam!?
Just the other day I had a vocal Obama supporter tell me that guns should be banned because of situations like Katrina, because the government wasnt there to protect people. I quickly pointed out that that is the exact reason we have guns is because the govt. more times than not is incapable of protecting its citizens. It bothers me when ppl are Democrats and think that means that they cant support the 2nd amendment.Both McCain and Obama are not fit for leading our country. Write it RON PAUL.
Exactly, but with all the chaotic mind control/blackops & reverse psychological warfare, chemical lobotomies/fluoride & pharmaceuticals in the water, etc., it becomes easier to see how ppl are so duped by misinformation, and buy such B.S.
But,I think that I'd much rather have a gun for protection/self defense in my hand, than a jar of vaseline, like some ppl seem content in doing. - U are TOTALLY right, about the Katrina incident; all the more reason for us to NOT give up our guns!
A gun is an inanimate object. It has no feelings, a life, nor a conscience(cant spell). Before the gun there was the knife. Before the knife there was the rock. Everything has the potential to be a weapon. If you are going to ban guns then ban everything that is either sharp or blunt. People will continue to kill people. Its just the tool that will change. The ones that want this ban are ppl that thnk evry prson is a decent individual. The truth is we are not.
if we made guns illegal why the hell do you think criminals, who break laws, wouldn't break that one? like o yeah they'll rob banks and murder people but O god no they could never go against our gun law! *gasp*
the goal is 2 make it much, much harder for criminals to get guns - if they can't get guns, they can't use them. Its not a matter of whether or not they have the moral resolution to break the law. Also, guns are the number one cause of death for children. They mess around with them, thinking nothing wil happen, and they hurt themselvs accidentally. Finaly, England, among other countries, have banned guns, and it had only 36 homicide gun deaths last year. The US had 10,000 gun homicides last year
GUYS!! STOP ARGUING! They are liberals, you know better than to argue with them, the are worse than a wife! They already have their mind made up, don't confuse them with facts!
What the fuck does that mean "EAR CROW LIBEAL PINHEADS" someone plz tell me cuz I got to write it down I might be one you know what they say if you don't know what something is you probably are it?
overall is not two words use spell check once in a while.
"why does America keep voting democrats in office?" Since when? Since the last two Bush terms? Aren't you republicans satisfied enough with two terms of a complete dumbass fuckin douchebag?
Can't compare Europe to America; good guys with guns do not kill people it's the criminals in the inner cities who kill their own kind (black on black, brown on brown, etc). White suburbanites do not commit these crimes... they have weapons to deter a random criminal act against them. If I own a gun, I'll probably never use it but I know that I can protect myself from some thug without a conscience. Europe doesn't have crime like the US does b/c it's homogenous.
Plus they don't have a large border with a fucked up country like Mexico. But Europe is becoming less homogeneous and their crime rate is on the rise and they are responding by restricting the rights of their good citizens. We should ask the ovine America bashers now whether they'll want us to step in when the shit hits the fan or just have us sit tight so they can show us how courageous and civilized they are.
if you going to ban guns do it country wide. Tho you have so much os it no point! In UK all we can do tackle it best we can and should never have guns! Tho USA had it for years and year why the change?
I love how the unbiased data continues to show that more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens reduces violent crime and people STILL have this doomsday attitude about this.
Stupid. When the U.S. Constitution was written, they were referring to "a gun in the home to protect the family." They didn't have AK-47s back then, they didn't have fuckin' glock 9s back then, they didn't have serial killers and "Man Gets Charged With 27 Counts Of Murder On Pregnant School Teachers" back then, they didn't have Crips and Bloods back then. This is a disgrace. Fuckin' Supreme Court. Idiots.
tidycat: you are a moron. do you even know what a glock 9 is? you throw it out there like it's some kind of high tech weapon. have you ever even handled a gun. get out and educate yourself in reality before you start running your mouth. and your argument is completely backwards. the fact that we have everything you listed is even MORE reason to allow law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves. fucking dumbass.
tidycat, you continue to sound like a moron. this is not about "eye for an eye"; this is about SELF DEFENSE. "people like me" like the option of being able to defend ourselves. "people like YOU" are welcome to continue being an easy target.
Okay, I continue to sound like a moron. But you fucking gun-nut people are just douchebagging the country up to the verge of extinction. Oh and I HAVE shot a gun. My brother's a gun-nut (doesn't mean I have to THINK like him, does it?) We went on the firing range and shot his "GLOCK 9." Wasn't the adrenaline rush I was hoping for. Doesn't that sound like a douchebaggerdly phrase? Gun-nut? Doesn't that sound like something a douchebag would strive to be?
tidycat, yes, you DO continue to sound like a moron. This isn't about loving guns or being a gun nut. It's about self defense. Does EVERYthing need to be spoon fed and repeated to you before you get it?
What does you not getting an adrenaline rush from firing a gun have to do with the right to defend yourself?????
PS. "you fucking gun-nut people are just douchebagging the country up to the verge of extinction" and "What about the right to arm bears?"
Congratulations. With that mindset, you're on your way to becoming a fucking psycho activist if you aren't there already. You have absolutely NOTHING to back up your moronic statements. It's people like you that are running America into the ground.
And what have you brought to the table? All you've done is contradict everything I've said, and at the same time made yourself look like a GUN-NUT who sits in a dark room, armed to the teeth, waiting for someone to "give you a reason."
" All you've done is contradict everything I've said." waaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Oh, sorry. Should I call you a WAHmbulance? Typical activist crybaby. Insult me and then cry when I don't agree with you.
You're evaluation of me is a perception you've applied to everyone who owns a gun. All you know about me is that I believe in self defense and that I know you are a dumbass. Your reaction to that knowledge makes you even more of a dumbass. The more you post, the bigger a dumbass you become.
I love guns, they are so yummy. Guns are why Americans are not wimps like the French. Guns will be the best tool to the individual in a major situation. Guns are the only weapon in which a woman can make her self equal or even superior to a man.
Isn't taking away a right reducing freedom? The law abiding people go through the steps, follow the laws, and practice responsible ownership. There's no reason to fear law abiding people with guns... unless you're a criminal.
Sure, when some criminal pulls a gun on you and demands for you to pull down your pants because he is going ram it hard into you, then you will enjoy your freedom.
I love the people like you. Because once they are victim of a crime the first thing they do is to get a firearm. Being a helpless victim has this effect on every human. Sure you can learn a self defense discipline, but once you stared at the end of a barrel kung fu will be of little help.
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and you name the constitution as the reason to have guns.. hey man... this is not the 19 century anymore.. bears and indians dont come to scalp or eat you...!!!!
He is right.... the right to keep and bear arms does not come from the Constitution. It comes from God, it comes from the first breath that you take in this world, it comes from FREEDOM. Bears and Indians have been replaced by terrorists and muggers. Stop believing that the "Police" are going to save your ass everytime you get in trouble.... look what happened in Katrina .... when there are no cops arround, you don't need 911 you need 1911 .. the Good 'ol .45
You are a gimp, the indians have been replaced by thugs and gang members bears have been replaced by murderers and rapist. Feel free to tape your mouth shut.
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Stupid americans.. if you have harder punishment for gunlaw-crimes the crime will go down.. just look how it is in europe. there are more kills in the us than i all of europe and canada combined!!
Horgyboy, the US has over 20,000 gun laws on the books at the federal state and local levels, included in these laws are strict punishments for the use of guns in crime. An armed robbery, for instance, where a gun is used is punished far more severely than the same crime committed with a knife. You use the term "Stupid americans" then, ironically go on to make a clear demonstration of your total ignorance on the subject. Good job dumbass.
You are a retard, gun control doesn't mean crime control or do you think criminals care about laws? Englands crime rate whent up 40 percent since they ban guns explain that eurotrash. Go to endland and feel free to et stabbed instead of shot what a big change in crime you blame the person not the instrument. Right to carry states in the U.S hav lower crime rates than gun free states explain that.
* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4
guns arent good as all, don't you see, they're not bad either.... they're neutral, it depends on whos hands the gun is in. and when the law obiding citizens don't have guns, and criminals (drug dealers, gangbangers, burglers, muggers ect) have guns, and normal citizens don't, the criminals basicaly control the streets like a mini dictatorship.
The reason marxists oppose the 2nd amendment is because it is a defense against genocidal tyranical governments, defense of property rights and the right to live. In marxism. people have no rights to property or to live. also most democrats/marxists are criminals who support disarming their victims.
If gun control works why did DC have the highest homocide rate in the country after guns were banned? Why is it in every nation and city where guns are banned or restricted, crime goes up? No matter what the law says criminals will always get guns. Want a gun fast? Go down to the east side to where the black van is parked and the hood inside can get you one off the street.
You're exactly right. Gun control laws in this country have proven to be a huge failure. In areas with restrictive gun laws, crime goes up and so does violence.
I think the only way to objectively view this issue is in this Youtube video. It's only a few minutes long, if you're serious about this issue, on either side, you should watch it:
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The first article was written by a UCLA Law Prof who gives dozens of examples of how the 'basic grammar' means exactly what I've said it means, context nonwithstanding.
The second is an NRO article which quotes experts on grammar and usage (even pro-gun control experts) who also confirm that the main clause is not conditional on the 'militia' clause. I'll go with the experts on this one.
Also, even if your interpretation were correct, the condition isn't met by the National Guard. We view the National Guard, right now, as being the replacemnt of the militia (this has been codified into law). That doesn't mean that someday, with a congressional vote and presidential stamp of approval, that there will be well regulated state militias, and we don't know who would serve in those militias. So even if it were conditional, the condition can only be met by "the people".
This is -really- getting off topic, but as a Socialist, I'm absoultely FINE with our nation having a high GDP. I'm all about society as a whole prospering after all. The real problem I see is inheritance. You claim that in a "free" market that one's end prosperity is a product of their own determination. Yet with the VAST differences in inheritnace, the two extremes of the cycle of poverty and mass-inheritance, it's simply not the case.
A socailist is one who believes "All men" truly ARE equal, and should be given equal rights. As in the modern world, money is power, we believe in giving everyone an equal STARTOFF point. From there, success or failure is up to them.
I would agree with you that the idea of equal wages for all, as has been the case in some "communist" nations is indeed absurd. It fails to reward those who work hardest. Where we disagree is that I accuse inheritance of doing the same thing.
I really wonder how many people will have to be killed that guns will finally be more controlled. its stupid to say "gun ban is unconstitutional". 200 years ago or whenever they made those rules people still believed in witches. whats the big deal? just change the law, the world wont end. but something must be wrong with americans. I live in central europe and I havent heard of people going on a shooting spree in spar. maybe we are too busy with drinking wine and eating strudel.
yep just change the law...you think it will help? If someone was going to murder someone the wouldn't say "oh man they're illegal!" no they'd just go buy one off of the streets. outlawing guns gives all of the guns to outlaws. We need them for our own defense and if we turned them over during a ban that would mean that we are law abiding citizens and that we wouldn't do anything wrong with them anyway.
I really wonder how many people will have to be killed that guns will finally be more controlled. its stupid to say "gun ban is unconstitutional". 200 years ago or whenever they made those rules people still believed in witches. whats the big deal? just change the law, the world wont end. but something must be wrong with americans. I live in central europe and I havent heard of people going on a shooting spree in spar. maybe we are too busy with drinking wine and eating strudel.
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq:
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.
You clearly don't understand how U.N. resolutions work if you feel the comparison of resolutions aimed towards Israel are equal to the ones aimed towards Iraq. Look up the difference between resolutions passed under Chapter 6 (all Israel resolutions) and Chapter 7 (Iraq resolutions). It's like saying that someone should not be convicted of murder because someone else wasn't convicted of jaywalking. Iraq violated the resolutions by not cooperating, threat nonwithstanding.
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Bad, bad, bad!
Bush to extend the power of the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan's Feb. 25 testimony to the House Budget Committee provided an unintentionally candid look at the Bush administration's deliberate fiscal policy of bankrupting the federal government to justify a sweeping program of privatization...
So, the final argument here (#3) is basically that the ban is unconstitutional because it is unconstitutional? Nice. I guess if you talk down to enough people they might believe it?
well, the right to bear arms was intended so that the gov wouldn't contain too much power so there was power to people so when they say unconstitutional, i believe its like taking power from us
it is such blind faith in an antiquated constitution that has americans living in such a violent society. The right to carry a gun is nonsense, it was espoused by men who did not have the foresight to see what damage it could do to a future society. it is time for americans to realise that, despite the incredible job they did, their founding fathers were not infalable. The reason i care is because america exports its culture throughout the globe.
The right to carry a firearm goes hand in hand with the right to self defense and that IS NOT nonsense. Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when created our nation's most sacred document all those years ago, to insure that there was no such thing as an omnipotent authority that can do whatever it wished to the people with no checks on its' power.
the US is fast approaching a totalitarian state with omnipotent government and unfortunately with the uneducated consent of the people (a majority, not all) - in the meantime thousands of people are killed by people who legally carry guns. Are you scared when you walk down the street at night? I'm not.
Look billy, everyone who carries a gun legally in this country knows they can't just point and shoot at every person that pisses them off, that's illegal. No, people who carry legally aren't trigger happy gunmen just looking for a fight, if that's what you're implying. Most of those deaths by those licensed to carry were in self defense or accidents, not malicious intent. As a matter of fact, I feel perfectly fine walking anywhere.
As for your comments directed about my nations' present state, NEWS FLASH-these last 8yrs weren't the first hard times during Americas' existence. We've had plenty of dark moments through out our nations' history and still the country has persevered and righted itself when it needed to, so don't give me this totalitarian state bull. No U.S. President can stay in office forever.
As for your comments directed about my nations' present state, NEWS FLASH-these last 8yrs weren't the first hard times during Americas' existence. We've had plenty of dark moments through out our nations' history and still the country has persevered and righted itself when it needed to, so don't give me this totalitarian state bull. No U.S. President can stay in office forever.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Seems clear as day to me. The 2nd Amendment IS an individual right just like the other ten that's already there. In no way am I going to believe that those in a States' militia are the only ones allowed to access firearms.
Protect our 2nd ammendment rights it's the patriotic thing to do! I know patriotism is a foreign concept to these right wing traitors and domestic terrorists. Don't think we've forgotten about the Oklahoma city bombing and the coutless clinics in the 80's and 90's traitors!terrorists!
I'm a LEFTIST myself... I'm just surprised at all the idiots who can't actually READ the Second Ammendment. It states VERY clearly that the purpose of ownership of guns was for the MILITIA. In modern America this is the National Guard. Please, show me where it says ANYTHING about civilian ownership. I'd really like to see that part. ^^
My position happens to be pro gun ownership because I want the option of killing these right wing republitards at will or if confronted by them in the future. You do see the logic in that. However, I concede and agree that national healthcare is the ONLY option because everything else the republitards have tried has been a MASSIVE FAILURE! It doesn't make sense to have different programs because of the cost. And besides the corporate welfare state has yet to EVER reduce the costs of services.
given the number of foreigners coming to the US for health care, Id say socialized medicine is a failure. Australia has tprobably the best system. Basic govt coverage with private supplemental insurance
it does say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So it does appear to be an individual right. However, since the right to keep and bear say machine guns is not allowed nor are nuclear bombs or b-52s, it is clear that govt can ban certain types of guns, just not all guns. Also if we stayed with original intent as conservatives like to do, only muskeets and pikes can be allowed and everything else banned
LOL! This is just basic grammar. The first phrase is clearly a conditional one. Thus, what is stated later hinges upon whether or not this condition is met. Basically it is saying, "If one is to be part of this well-regulated militia, they must be allowed to keep and bear arms." In more modern language.
"The people" are referred to five times in the Bill of Rights and once in the preamble, do you believe that all of them refer to the militia? It seems more likely to me that the militia reference is an example of necessity, but the right remains with "the people". Of course you can prove me wrong by providing an example where "the people" refers to the militia elsewhere in the Constitution.
Grammar again. In THE SECOND AMMENDMENT, "the people" is a logical subset of the militia. In other contexts it is not set up in this logical manner. Sorry...
As my example shows, even ignoring the context, the grammar shows no conditional phrase. You had to add that yourself. The context is just icing on the cake.
Amazing how conservatives want to protect our right to own a gun but where were they when the patriot act was signed? Only 1 or 2 true conservatives spoke out against it knowing that it was unpatriotic. Gotta love the right wing they're all kinds of fucked up aren't they? TRAITORS!WHERE WERE YOU VERMIN!
"The nation of japan has the population of a large American city, not a good comparison. Japan also is a protectorate of the U.S. and militias are not nessesary."
Um, where to start? Japan has a population of 128 million people (16 times the size the most populous city in the US, New York City) and regained it's status as a sovereign nation in 1952. It ranks 6th in the world in military expenditures.
I should clarify my position. I'm all for nationalizing health care in the US and there are many things that these smaller countries do right that the US could do which would make healthcare better in the US. I thought Sicko was well done with the exception of certain comparisons. I just think that the comparison of countries like Sweden (who's population is about the size of North Carolina and has the ethnic diversity of Utah) to the US is patently absurd.
very few countries have a purely nationalized health system. UK doesnt, Australia doesnt, Germany Doesnt, Sweden doesnt. Even the proponents of national health care are woefully ignorant of other countries health systems
Did you know that France has a nationalized healthcare system and they pay no more that 24% in a vat tax. The average tax in the us is 36% and what do we have to show for it? but a war with no end in sight, a 10 trillion dollar deficit and a health insurance disaster on the horizon. We have tried it your way and it is a MASSIVE FAILURE. Everyone knows that corporations are in collusion with each other and that's why the prices keep going up. Managed competition is a complete and utter FAILURE!
The people LIKE the status quo in France. You claim it is "horrible", but really the total payments including those in taxes are LOWER than what they would be if everyone paid individually... Buying in bulk (aka nationally) means lower prices per unit. It's a simple fact of economics.
The corporate welfare state created under the republicans is a MASSIVE FAILURE. The promises of managed competition lowering the prices of goods and services has been completely elusive due to corporate collusion on pricing. If you have a different opinion I'd like to hear it. If you can name one company that has been able to lower prices in the last 10 yrs due to the disney magic of managed competition to lower prices then please site the company and an example. Thanks I'll be...waiting.
bleunt: You're comparing a country of 9 million people to a country of more than 300 million people. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing what would happen to Sweden's "lower kills by firearms" if Sweden ever allowed any type of diversity within it's borders. Of course, since Sweden practiced Eugenics until 1976 (sterilizing non-whites essentially) that's not likely to happen any time soon:
Let me get this straight... Citizens can't have guns but everyones bodyguard in DC carries one? And that's somehow right, just and fair? Double standard maybe?
outlawracer2229 9 months ago
your stupid!!!!! 1 and 3 are the same thing!!!!
zjk911 10 months ago
28 people are communist.
Striker25521 1 year ago
THIS IS F&%KING CRAZY!!! THEY ARE PUSHING THE AGENDA!
MADE4FETTI 1 year ago
Anyone who wants guns banned had a bad experiance with them or is just ignorant. Like charlton heston said "they dont know a semi auto from a sharp stick"
thegermanPFAU 1 year ago
Why don't these guys just say the 2nd amendment?Its crystal clear.
Doesn't matter what the Gov ,supreme court says.
xxDogsoldierxx 1 year ago
making a law against guns won't stop criminals fro getting guns. criminals don't care about a law against guns, they'll break the law. they're criminals, it's their job to break the law
CarbineKingClassic 2 years ago
theres an old latin proverb that roughly translates as " when catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"
the way i see it, and correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't a criminal hesitate before muggins some old lady. if that old lady might be packin heat?
guns for all or guns for none, and seeing as guns for none is impossible, guns for all seems our only option =D
meowandmeow 2 years ago
VICTORY finally it took the supreme court to show liberal pinheads IDIOTS self protection is right like free speech
SHOWS YOU HOW STUPID LIBERAL ARE AND THEIR OVER ALL MENTALITY
why does America keep voting democrats in office HHHMMMM
Obamaitis: The latest liberal disease.
why760nitro 2 years ago
Chief Justice Roberts is being forced out off the supreme court, black mail?
conspiracy for sure, spread the word
or else
Say good bye to the USA and say hello
to AMERIKA
mrfellowship 1 year ago
Heritage holler at your boy.
Love you guys, thanks so much.
BerPC96 2 years ago
The gov. needs to realize everyone will carry anyways. And cops should get there heads out of ther asses and not enforce these laws.
JimTL1000R 2 years ago
All gun bans should be met with civil disobedience. These laws are null and void under the Constitution, thus it is our civic duty to not only protest against the induction of these laws but also to refuse to obey them when they pass.
onewkirk 2 years ago
duh
just2w4tch 3 years ago
Why do they need a complete outlawing of guns?
TO CONTROL PEOPLE AND NOT LETTING THEM THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE TO REVOLT, FOR EXAMPLE WHEN PRIVATE PROPERTY WILL BE ABOLISHED!
How will they be able to ban all firearms?
THEY NEED PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING AND EVEN DEMANDING IT, THEY NEED A GOOD EXCUSE!
What would be the single best excuse for it by far? You don't konw? C'mon ..
THE ASSASSINATION OF OUR BELOVED PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA BY WHITE, SUPREMACIST RACISTS !
Who would not accept such an excuse?
HailTheWhiteRace 3 years ago 2
I would not accept such an excuse.
Who likes Obama that much anyway? As if white supremacists with plans to kill Obama follow gun control laws anyway.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
What scares me is how many people are begging and demanding that their rights be taken away.
eurohim 2 years ago
I know right.
gtq838 2 years ago
thank you for clarification.
America was deceived, he is not my president
N2thedrink 3 years ago 2
As an atheist, hispanic, asian, 23 year old male living in the US of A, I am glad I still have the right, and every law abiding citizen around me, still has the right to bear arms. The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populace.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago 9
+ fuc*ing 1 dude
Verator 3 years ago
thank god our guns are free at last! dosent mean that we should stop protecting our first freedom (the 2sd amendment)
pkmaok 3 years ago
I noticed that the majority of comments here center on calling other people names. I would suggest that most of you read a book titled "The dark side of Man" written by Michael P. Ghiglieri - published in 1999 by Perseus books. I think it would clear up some misconceptions held about mankind & what makes violence seem so easy for him. The mind is the weapon - Everything else is a tool. Look at England and any other country that has banned guns - did it stop the killing - no - read why.
oslexarkun 3 years ago 2
the day some government personel come to my home to take my righteously owned guns will be the day I hand them over bullet heads first and as part of a message to all people who own guns (the militias) that we must prepare to resist tyranny.
zcm007attack 3 years ago
Listen very closely people. Once we lose our firearms we will lose our freedoms and can be controled like people are in China, Russia, Cuba and all other fascist states. A COUNTRY THAT DISARMS IT'S CITIZENS IS A COUNTRY NOT WORTH LIVING IN. There is no questioning the 2nd ammendment.
sabre1ppc 3 years ago
like i said
living ina world ryte now
i guess we have to need/have firearms
I PROMISE YOU THIS "HATERS OF YOUTUBE!"
BY THE TIME FUCKN PPL WALKING UP AND DOWN "MY" STREETS OF "MY" HOMETOWN INFRONT OF MY HOUSE WITH THER GUN AT FULL ""A-TEN-HUT"
IMA HAV TO SLAP A "HO" Bleave dat "HOMESLICE"
94WAIPAHUblocc 3 years ago
If the goverment ever wanted to take my guns.
They would have to come get them. After they make it past my wall of lead. I have plenty of ammunition.
The goverment is to big and to important to leave in the hands of politicians.
commander4 3 years ago 2
buy more ammo man guns are going to get banned and martial law will be dropped next thing you know we are all getting invaded by foreign troops buy more ammo before it is too late
TEAMPLATANO 3 years ago
H.R. 6257 'Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008'.
Sponsor Bilderberger Rep R-IL Mark Steven Kirk received a Masters Degree from the London School of Economics (Illuminati Training Center for Rothschild's evil
henchmen of the NWO).
Jesuit Trained CoSponsors of U.S House Names Are Below:
Rep Michael N. Castle (R-DE), Elected 1992
L.L.B. Georgetown University (1964)
Rep Michael Ferguson (R-NJ), Elected 2000
M.P.P. Georgetown University (1995)
These men are Black Jesuit Zionist NWO SCUM
Permindex 3 years ago
great video
Bigtruck2007 3 years ago
GUNS should be banned so that the WORLD would and SHOULD be RUN by HUMANS
only FAG WEAK SCARED ASS PUSSIES USE GUNS
GUN PEOPLE; try using your fist, I bet you get KNOCKED THE P"HOC OUT
94WAIPAHUblocc 3 years ago
I think 94w whatever may be a caveman. I bet you are a 12 year old english punk... or a pussy ass hippie.
HKBM45 3 years ago
nah im a whit polynesian from the 808 state
come to think about it ppl need guns to live in a world now days xspecialy in america
wer im from The Fist is a Deadly Weapon
im not a hippie, but i smoke weed like a hippie
and im Str8
94WAIPAHUblocc 3 years ago
but if you use your fist and a guy or his buddy has gun that your not aware of then your going to be in the newspapers
this is 2008 people dont have rules in the streets
if you want rules join the boxing team thats not street
Doggnutts4life 3 years ago
this one of the dumbest comments ive heard dude what are 14 or something you must have never been in the streets jail or nothing your just running your mouth
Doggnutts4life 3 years ago
But if i did not have a gun My wife and child would be dead, I came home one night last summer and someone was in my house. need i say more.
mikeleeross 3 years ago
shut the fuck up you idiot you know nothing if guns are banned we are all fucked the second amendment states that if the government is not representing its citizens to its full potential we have the right to form a militia and over throw the government once guns are banned and the martial law is dropped you will see what i mean do research BE INFORMED PLEASE DO RESEARCH ITS HAPPENING IT IS REAL ITS GOING DOWN
TEAMPLATANO 3 years ago
@94WAIPAHUblocc
My gun is not to kill people, it's to defend myself...
your a dumbass
Cowbelltheoneandonly 1 year ago
If banning guns would stop crime and violence. Then we will also have to ban kitchen knives & pointed sticks
cosa65 3 years ago 2
you can see how well gun bans work. look at chicago. its a county wide "free gun zone". It gaurantees your victim is helpless. All criminals have a free hands there, because they cant get shot except by the police, and we know they are everywhere right? You could do what the Bradys say, give them what they want, like your wife to rape. OH! and your daughter too. I hope he doesnt kill them while he's at it. And make him some coffee so he can keep his energy up to hit then next house. Thank him!
YllwFvrPB 3 years ago
Brady came up with a grading system for different states, giving better grades for more gun control. Ironically enough, the states with the absolute lowest grades have the lowest crime rates, and the states with the highest grades have the highest crime rates - is there a connection here? To me it is just bizarre we hear so much about gun bans in the name of safety. There's no way someone can prove taking guns away from ordinary people stops crime dead in it's tracks.
quuaa1 2 years ago
Exactly, thus the UK gun ban shows us how well it works. I went onto a british site about some coat that came with a swiss army knife and the owners of the store were nearly attacked because of the thoughtless endangerment of society!
... WHAT?! Its a 2" knife! But then again knife crime is absolutely rampant there.
Simple. Its the PEOPLE that are criminals, not some chunk of lifeless metal, be it knife or gun.
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
I heard in Britain and Australia they also banned any knife with a sharp point. Because if we ban all knifes that can be used for stabbing no one will ever be able to stab someone right? In prison people make knifes out of bed springs and toilet paper, and they're very effective stabbing weapons. It's the one thing about Liberals that really pisses me off, the answer to the world's problems is always another law. But on the other hand conservatives have (ugh) Anne Coulter to be ashamed of.
quuaa1 2 years ago
I think we need more gun rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a right not only that protects us from criminals but it also protects us from the government. i think that all FIREARM bans should be lifted. it is completely legal to own an assault rife in some states you just have to pay the government to get a "pass", and pay allot of money for the firearm<-stupid......
if i want a 50 cal rifle or a SAW its no ones business but my own. people think were free we arnt free.
notsosmartru 3 years ago 3
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson
Scotty7617 3 years ago 2
you know you just need to sat one or 2 words "2 amendment" because what he is talking about is the extended words of the consitution
microtaffy 3 years ago
George Mason:"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
Mrgyn 3 years ago 3
I go to George Mason University and they will not let citizens with concealed carry permits carry on campus.
It is ludicrous.
SHOCKERMANG 3 years ago
Thomas Jefferson: "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Mrgyn 3 years ago 2
It's more like, the government has become unconstitutional!... the right to bare arms will FOREVER stay constitutional!!! - No matter WHAT crappy bill or bogus law comes about to the contrary.
dreamsurge 3 years ago
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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson
ejb812 3 years ago
ejb812 -
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson
Right On!... and why the heck is ejb812's comment marked as spam!?
It shouldn't be.
dreamsurge 3 years ago
Just the other day I had a vocal Obama supporter tell me that guns should be banned because of situations like Katrina, because the government wasnt there to protect people. I quickly pointed out that that is the exact reason we have guns is because the govt. more times than not is incapable of protecting its citizens. It bothers me when ppl are Democrats and think that means that they cant support the 2nd amendment.Both McCain and Obama are not fit for leading our country. Write it RON PAUL.
ejb812 3 years ago
Exactly, but with all the chaotic mind control/blackops & reverse psychological warfare, chemical lobotomies/fluoride & pharmaceuticals in the water, etc., it becomes easier to see how ppl are so duped by misinformation, and buy such B.S.
But,I think that I'd much rather have a gun for protection/self defense in my hand, than a jar of vaseline, like some ppl seem content in doing. - U are TOTALLY right, about the Katrina incident; all the more reason for us to NOT give up our guns!
dreamsurge 3 years ago
Hey yall if guns kill people then:
pencils cause peepul to misspel
cars cause people to drive drunk
spoons made Rosie O'Donald fat
slrcarroll42 3 years ago 13
GREAT SAYING (sorry if i replyed to you and your comment is old) BUT EXPLENATION MAN!
theguitarhero3 3 years ago
A gun is an inanimate object. It has no feelings, a life, nor a conscience(cant spell). Before the gun there was the knife. Before the knife there was the rock. Everything has the potential to be a weapon. If you are going to ban guns then ban everything that is either sharp or blunt. People will continue to kill people. Its just the tool that will change. The ones that want this ban are ppl that thnk evry prson is a decent individual. The truth is we are not.
slrcarroll42 3 years ago 2
Why would anyone want a gun ban in DC? More opportunities for target practice on certain people...
marshallguy301 3 years ago
A-MEN!! y760nitro.
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
if we made guns illegal why the hell do you think criminals, who break laws, wouldn't break that one? like o yeah they'll rob banks and murder people but O god no they could never go against our gun law! *gasp*
meowandmeow 3 years ago
the goal is 2 make it much, much harder for criminals to get guns - if they can't get guns, they can't use them. Its not a matter of whether or not they have the moral resolution to break the law. Also, guns are the number one cause of death for children. They mess around with them, thinking nothing wil happen, and they hurt themselvs accidentally. Finaly, England, among other countries, have banned guns, and it had only 36 homicide gun deaths last year. The US had 10,000 gun homicides last year
MrDrQJr 3 years ago
Damn, I leave YouTube for a week to get something done and you guys can't even handle these libtards? Who let so many of them in here! SHIT!
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
GUYS!! STOP ARGUING! They are liberals, you know better than to argue with them, the are worse than a wife! They already have their mind made up, don't confuse them with facts!
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
Feel strongly about your right to Open Carry?
Is your right to free speech ok as long as you cover your mouth?
Please sign the Florida Petition to Open Carry, go to flopencarry . com and join us at opencarry . org
You can also sign the Texas Petition to Open Carry at petitiononline . com / texasoc / petition . html
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
That's "you're" stupid. Contraction of "you are." (Spell check.)
tidycat4 3 years ago
What the fuck does that mean "EAR CROW LIBEAL PINHEADS" someone plz tell me cuz I got to write it down I might be one you know what they say if you don't know what something is you probably are it?
EAR CROW LIBEAL PINHEADS
tidycat4 3 years ago
overall is not two words use spell check once in a while.
"why does America keep voting democrats in office?" Since when? Since the last two Bush terms? Aren't you republicans satisfied enough with two terms of a complete dumbass fuckin douchebag?
tidycat4 3 years ago
Can't compare Europe to America; good guys with guns do not kill people it's the criminals in the inner cities who kill their own kind (black on black, brown on brown, etc). White suburbanites do not commit these crimes... they have weapons to deter a random criminal act against them. If I own a gun, I'll probably never use it but I know that I can protect myself from some thug without a conscience. Europe doesn't have crime like the US does b/c it's homogenous.
choney131 3 years ago
Plus they don't have a large border with a fucked up country like Mexico. But Europe is becoming less homogeneous and their crime rate is on the rise and they are responding by restricting the rights of their good citizens. We should ask the ovine America bashers now whether they'll want us to step in when the shit hits the fan or just have us sit tight so they can show us how courageous and civilized they are.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
if you going to ban guns do it country wide. Tho you have so much os it no point! In UK all we can do tackle it best we can and should never have guns! Tho USA had it for years and year why the change?
northwesten 3 years ago
"That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;"
UK Bill of Rights, 1689
peckerwood321 3 years ago
Heres how DC will keep guns from citizens:
Guns 380 99 bucks.
Registration Required by city $1400!
See how many guns they will let out the door.
This was just an example, but expect some extortion fee of somesorts. Just remember what Uncle ScAM has told you "Freedumb is Not Free".
911sheeple 3 years ago
That would be infringement and clearly against the constitution.
Ataxicabdriver 3 years ago
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
88ragtime 3 years ago
I agree with the sentiment. Coulda been better put together though in my opinion. Thumbs up though for reporting on our 2nd amendment liberties.
ChampionofLiberty 3 years ago
I know and why the hell do Republicans keep nominating liberals!
readthepaper 3 years ago
my favorite t-shirt has 2 check boxes. the one with the check in it says "gun owner". the other one says "victim."
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
venison, does the victims check box have a bullit hole in it?
I know when I am carjacked, I'd prefer to get out my psychology degree and try to talk the guy out of blowing my head off for a 26 hour free ride.
911sheeple 3 years ago
;-)
I love how the unbiased data continues to show that more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens reduces violent crime and people STILL have this doomsday attitude about this.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
To all you anti constitutional socialist liberals out there:
Neener, Neener and once again, NEENER! :-D
MIT1369 3 years ago
i heard a great quote the other day ... "snipe the left."
jbrazil2008 3 years ago
Good quote jbrazil! We should snipe the left.
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
LET FREEDOM RING!!
This is only the beginning liberals/carpetbaggers; only the beginning!
OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
You sound just as douchebaggerdly as that fuckin' douchebag Charlton Heston. Fuckin' douchebag. Glad he's dead.
tidycat4 3 years ago
people have the right to bare arms its in the constitution
DaColt88 3 years ago
What about the right to arm bears?
tidycat4 3 years ago
Unconstitutional? But Obama said that it WAS Constitutional back in late 2007, so it must be.
But wait, he changed his mind today (now that the polls are in) and he agreed with the court. It WAS unconstitutional after all!
Thank God for the polls! We need polls so Obama will know what to do!
USVeterans 3 years ago
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Stupid. When the U.S. Constitution was written, they were referring to "a gun in the home to protect the family." They didn't have AK-47s back then, they didn't have fuckin' glock 9s back then, they didn't have serial killers and "Man Gets Charged With 27 Counts Of Murder On Pregnant School Teachers" back then, they didn't have Crips and Bloods back then. This is a disgrace. Fuckin' Supreme Court. Idiots.
tidycat4 3 years ago
tidycat: you are a moron. do you even know what a glock 9 is? you throw it out there like it's some kind of high tech weapon. have you ever even handled a gun. get out and educate yourself in reality before you start running your mouth. and your argument is completely backwards. the fact that we have everything you listed is even MORE reason to allow law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves. fucking dumbass.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
It's people like you who escalate the situation and cause more need for gun control. Your "eye for an eye" mentality makes the whole world blind.
tidycat4 3 years ago
tidycat, you continue to sound like a moron. this is not about "eye for an eye"; this is about SELF DEFENSE. "people like me" like the option of being able to defend ourselves. "people like YOU" are welcome to continue being an easy target.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
Okay, I continue to sound like a moron. But you fucking gun-nut people are just douchebagging the country up to the verge of extinction. Oh and I HAVE shot a gun. My brother's a gun-nut (doesn't mean I have to THINK like him, does it?) We went on the firing range and shot his "GLOCK 9." Wasn't the adrenaline rush I was hoping for. Doesn't that sound like a douchebaggerdly phrase? Gun-nut? Doesn't that sound like something a douchebag would strive to be?
tidycat4 3 years ago
tidycat, yes, you DO continue to sound like a moron. This isn't about loving guns or being a gun nut. It's about self defense. Does EVERYthing need to be spoon fed and repeated to you before you get it?
What does you not getting an adrenaline rush from firing a gun have to do with the right to defend yourself?????
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
PS. "you fucking gun-nut people are just douchebagging the country up to the verge of extinction" and "What about the right to arm bears?"
Congratulations. With that mindset, you're on your way to becoming a fucking psycho activist if you aren't there already. You have absolutely NOTHING to back up your moronic statements. It's people like you that are running America into the ground.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
And what have you brought to the table? All you've done is contradict everything I've said, and at the same time made yourself look like a GUN-NUT who sits in a dark room, armed to the teeth, waiting for someone to "give you a reason."
Whoop-ee-fuck-in-doo.
tidycat4 3 years ago
" All you've done is contradict everything I've said." waaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Oh, sorry. Should I call you a WAHmbulance? Typical activist crybaby. Insult me and then cry when I don't agree with you.
You're evaluation of me is a perception you've applied to everyone who owns a gun. All you know about me is that I believe in self defense and that I know you are a dumbass. Your reaction to that knowledge makes you even more of a dumbass. The more you post, the bigger a dumbass you become.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
What statements have YOU backed up, you gun-nut?
tidycat4 3 years ago
& by the way, WAHmbulance has been used, like, to death. You should get a newer phrase. Like "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life here."
tidycat4 3 years ago
tidycat. you are a dumbass. every post you make backs up that statement.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago
Congrats to the law abiding citizens of D.C. Now all you need is a competent mayor and police chief and you'll be good to go
tjlawson20 3 years ago
IT PASSED!!!!!!!
rebel2276 3 years ago
I love guns, they are so yummy. Guns are why Americans are not wimps like the French. Guns will be the best tool to the individual in a major situation. Guns are the only weapon in which a woman can make her self equal or even superior to a man.
StrongNblind 3 years ago
ban gun America will more freedom than b4
kiwi0800 3 years ago
Isn't taking away a right reducing freedom? The law abiding people go through the steps, follow the laws, and practice responsible ownership. There's no reason to fear law abiding people with guns... unless you're a criminal.
HeelToeSTi 3 years ago 5
You are a moron and I'm glad to point that out to you.
pred178 3 years ago 3
Sure, when some criminal pulls a gun on you and demands for you to pull down your pants because he is going ram it hard into you, then you will enjoy your freedom.
I love the people like you. Because once they are victim of a crime the first thing they do is to get a firearm. Being a helpless victim has this effect on every human. Sure you can learn a self defense discipline, but once you stared at the end of a barrel kung fu will be of little help.
In your case just carry a lubricant.
lovshooting 3 years ago
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and you name the constitution as the reason to have guns.. hey man... this is not the 19 century anymore.. bears and indians dont come to scalp or eat you...!!!!
horgyboy 3 years ago
He is right.... the right to keep and bear arms does not come from the Constitution. It comes from God, it comes from the first breath that you take in this world, it comes from FREEDOM. Bears and Indians have been replaced by terrorists and muggers. Stop believing that the "Police" are going to save your ass everytime you get in trouble.... look what happened in Katrina .... when there are no cops arround, you don't need 911 you need 1911 .. the Good 'ol .45
jmangle 3 years ago 7
so true
ClingingMars 3 years ago
You are a gimp, the indians have been replaced by thugs and gang members bears have been replaced by murderers and rapist. Feel free to tape your mouth shut.
pred178 3 years ago
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Stupid americans.. if you have harder punishment for gunlaw-crimes the crime will go down.. just look how it is in europe. there are more kills in the us than i all of europe and canada combined!!
horgyboy 3 years ago
Horgyboy, the US has over 20,000 gun laws on the books at the federal state and local levels, included in these laws are strict punishments for the use of guns in crime. An armed robbery, for instance, where a gun is used is punished far more severely than the same crime committed with a knife. You use the term "Stupid americans" then, ironically go on to make a clear demonstration of your total ignorance on the subject. Good job dumbass.
konagnu 3 years ago 8
search england gun ban update
bktk8 3 years ago 2
You are a retard, gun control doesn't mean crime control or do you think criminals care about laws? Englands crime rate whent up 40 percent since they ban guns explain that eurotrash. Go to endland and feel free to et stabbed instead of shot what a big change in crime you blame the person not the instrument. Right to carry states in the U.S hav lower crime rates than gun free states explain that.
pred178 3 years ago 3
If guns kill people then I can blame my pen for misspelling my words! Gun control does not make sense.
ike1371 3 years ago 2
pro guns.
* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4
scarfinger68 3 years ago 4
Guns don't kill people. Democrats who ban guns do.
OrdinaryBill 3 years ago 6
Guns are bad, mmkay. But banning them is not the solution. It's a terrible idea to ban pretty much anything, even guns.
paerarru 3 years ago 3
guns arent good as all, don't you see, they're not bad either.... they're neutral, it depends on whos hands the gun is in. and when the law obiding citizens don't have guns, and criminals (drug dealers, gangbangers, burglers, muggers ect) have guns, and normal citizens don't, the criminals basicaly control the streets like a mini dictatorship.
metallmayhem 3 years ago 4
The reason marxists oppose the 2nd amendment is because it is a defense against genocidal tyranical governments, defense of property rights and the right to live. In marxism. people have no rights to property or to live. also most democrats/marxists are criminals who support disarming their victims.
phantastickyle 3 years ago 8
If gun control works why did DC have the highest homocide rate in the country after guns were banned? Why is it in every nation and city where guns are banned or restricted, crime goes up? No matter what the law says criminals will always get guns. Want a gun fast? Go down to the east side to where the black van is parked and the hood inside can get you one off the street.
phantastickyle 3 years ago 7
You're exactly right. Gun control laws in this country have proven to be a huge failure. In areas with restrictive gun laws, crime goes up and so does violence.
blazefootball91 3 years ago 7
I think the only way to objectively view this issue is in this Youtube video. It's only a few minutes long, if you're serious about this issue, on either side, you should watch it:
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
voceangeli 3 years ago
Youtube won't let me post URLs, so replace the space with a period:
shortText com/vc75co
The first article was written by a UCLA Law Prof who gives dozens of examples of how the 'basic grammar' means exactly what I've said it means, context nonwithstanding.
The second is an NRO article which quotes experts on grammar and usage (even pro-gun control experts) who also confirm that the main clause is not conditional on the 'militia' clause. I'll go with the experts on this one.
voceangeli 3 years ago
Also, even if your interpretation were correct, the condition isn't met by the National Guard. We view the National Guard, right now, as being the replacemnt of the militia (this has been codified into law). That doesn't mean that someday, with a congressional vote and presidential stamp of approval, that there will be well regulated state militias, and we don't know who would serve in those militias. So even if it were conditional, the condition can only be met by "the people".
voceangeli 3 years ago
This is -really- getting off topic, but as a Socialist, I'm absoultely FINE with our nation having a high GDP. I'm all about society as a whole prospering after all. The real problem I see is inheritance. You claim that in a "free" market that one's end prosperity is a product of their own determination. Yet with the VAST differences in inheritnace, the two extremes of the cycle of poverty and mass-inheritance, it's simply not the case.
-continued-
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
A socailist is one who believes "All men" truly ARE equal, and should be given equal rights. As in the modern world, money is power, we believe in giving everyone an equal STARTOFF point. From there, success or failure is up to them.
I would agree with you that the idea of equal wages for all, as has been the case in some "communist" nations is indeed absurd. It fails to reward those who work hardest. Where we disagree is that I accuse inheritance of doing the same thing.
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
You decide my next video! Check it out!
/watch?v=pS-_5Yn0Gas
cashmoneye9 3 years ago
I really wonder how many people will have to be killed that guns will finally be more controlled. its stupid to say "gun ban is unconstitutional". 200 years ago or whenever they made those rules people still believed in witches. whats the big deal? just change the law, the world wont end. but something must be wrong with americans. I live in central europe and I havent heard of people going on a shooting spree in spar. maybe we are too busy with drinking wine and eating strudel.
BoyLikesSkirts 3 years ago
yep just change the law...you think it will help? If someone was going to murder someone the wouldn't say "oh man they're illegal!" no they'd just go buy one off of the streets. outlawing guns gives all of the guns to outlaws. We need them for our own defense and if we turned them over during a ban that would mean that we are law abiding citizens and that we wouldn't do anything wrong with them anyway.
Coloradoelkhuntr 3 years ago
I really wonder how many people will have to be killed that guns will finally be more controlled. its stupid to say "gun ban is unconstitutional". 200 years ago or whenever they made those rules people still believed in witches. whats the big deal? just change the law, the world wont end. but something must be wrong with americans. I live in central europe and I havent heard of people going on a shooting spree in spar. maybe we are too busy with drinking wine and eating strudel.
BoyLikesSkirts 3 years ago
its also unconstitutional to go to war without the consent of congress, I guess that doesn't matter though.
GDI4evr 3 years ago
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq:
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.
voceangeli 3 years ago
1) There was never an ongoing threat to the US posed by Iraq
2) We'll ignore enforcing the resolutions against Isreal shall we ? despite there being > 14 to Iraqs 8 at the time.
The senate was lied to and evidence was falsified. This authorisation should never have been given.
faultme 3 years ago
You clearly don't understand how U.N. resolutions work if you feel the comparison of resolutions aimed towards Israel are equal to the ones aimed towards Iraq. Look up the difference between resolutions passed under Chapter 6 (all Israel resolutions) and Chapter 7 (Iraq resolutions). It's like saying that someone should not be convicted of murder because someone else wasn't convicted of jaywalking. Iraq violated the resolutions by not cooperating, threat nonwithstanding.
voceangeli 3 years ago
I don't know if anyone checked the link with my response, but the short of it is:
1) You're wrong in your intepretation of the grammar. The first clause is one reason, followed by a completely independent clause.
2) The overall document context (which you completely ignore) clearly doesn't define "the people" as being "the militia".
3) I don't need to add anything to the sentence ("If one is to be... they must...") to have the sentence mean what I've said it means.
voceangeli 3 years ago
DC gun ban is unconstitutional.
Nationwide gun ban may be in our future.
3-31-08 Bush to expand Federal Reserve Bank's power.
Bad, bad, bad!
Bush to extend the power of the Federal Reserve Bank.
By Michael Meurer
Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan's Feb. 25 testimony to the House Budget Committee provided an unintentionally candid look at the Bush administration's deliberate fiscal policy of bankrupting the federal government to justify a sweeping program of privatization...
ikekll 3 years ago
Give us our guns back! This is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
ejb812 3 years ago
Alright, go to the AOK corral. ^^
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
So, the final argument here (#3) is basically that the ban is unconstitutional because it is unconstitutional? Nice. I guess if you talk down to enough people they might believe it?
promacuser 3 years ago
well, the right to bear arms was intended so that the gov wouldn't contain too much power so there was power to people so when they say unconstitutional, i believe its like taking power from us
boonieman0194 3 years ago
it is such blind faith in an antiquated constitution that has americans living in such a violent society. The right to carry a gun is nonsense, it was espoused by men who did not have the foresight to see what damage it could do to a future society. it is time for americans to realise that, despite the incredible job they did, their founding fathers were not infalable. The reason i care is because america exports its culture throughout the globe.
billyfever 3 years ago
The right to carry a firearm goes hand in hand with the right to self defense and that IS NOT nonsense. Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when created our nation's most sacred document all those years ago, to insure that there was no such thing as an omnipotent authority that can do whatever it wished to the people with no checks on its' power.
Genji83 3 years ago
the US is fast approaching a totalitarian state with omnipotent government and unfortunately with the uneducated consent of the people (a majority, not all) - in the meantime thousands of people are killed by people who legally carry guns. Are you scared when you walk down the street at night? I'm not.
billyfever 3 years ago
Look billy, everyone who carries a gun legally in this country knows they can't just point and shoot at every person that pisses them off, that's illegal. No, people who carry legally aren't trigger happy gunmen just looking for a fight, if that's what you're implying. Most of those deaths by those licensed to carry were in self defense or accidents, not malicious intent. As a matter of fact, I feel perfectly fine walking anywhere.
Genji83 3 years ago
As for your comments directed about my nations' present state, NEWS FLASH-these last 8yrs weren't the first hard times during Americas' existence. We've had plenty of dark moments through out our nations' history and still the country has persevered and righted itself when it needed to, so don't give me this totalitarian state bull. No U.S. President can stay in office forever.
Genji83 3 years ago
As for your comments directed about my nations' present state, NEWS FLASH-these last 8yrs weren't the first hard times during Americas' existence. We've had plenty of dark moments through out our nations' history and still the country has persevered and righted itself when it needed to, so don't give me this totalitarian state bull. No U.S. President can stay in office forever.
Genji83 3 years ago
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Seems clear as day to me. The 2nd Amendment IS an individual right just like the other ten that's already there. In no way am I going to believe that those in a States' militia are the only ones allowed to access firearms.
Genji83 3 years ago
Protect our 2nd ammendment rights it's the patriotic thing to do! I know patriotism is a foreign concept to these right wing traitors and domestic terrorists. Don't think we've forgotten about the Oklahoma city bombing and the coutless clinics in the 80's and 90's traitors!terrorists!
fringefries 3 years ago
I'm a LEFTIST myself... I'm just surprised at all the idiots who can't actually READ the Second Ammendment. It states VERY clearly that the purpose of ownership of guns was for the MILITIA. In modern America this is the National Guard. Please, show me where it says ANYTHING about civilian ownership. I'd really like to see that part. ^^
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
My position happens to be pro gun ownership because I want the option of killing these right wing republitards at will or if confronted by them in the future. You do see the logic in that. However, I concede and agree that national healthcare is the ONLY option because everything else the republitards have tried has been a MASSIVE FAILURE! It doesn't make sense to have different programs because of the cost. And besides the corporate welfare state has yet to EVER reduce the costs of services.
fringefries 3 years ago
Heh, well, I can't say I really disagree with anything there when you put it that way. xD
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
given the number of foreigners coming to the US for health care, Id say socialized medicine is a failure. Australia has tprobably the best system. Basic govt coverage with private supplemental insurance
gaguy1967 3 years ago
The illegal Mexican immigrants are coming here mostly for employment opportunities, not the healthcare system.
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
i am talking about candians and europeans..the cleveland clinic is the #1 hip replecement center for canadians
gaguy1967 3 years ago
it does say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So it does appear to be an individual right. However, since the right to keep and bear say machine guns is not allowed nor are nuclear bombs or b-52s, it is clear that govt can ban certain types of guns, just not all guns. Also if we stayed with original intent as conservatives like to do, only muskeets and pikes can be allowed and everything else banned
gaguy1967 3 years ago
Haha! I suppose THOSE can stay legal. xD
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
ok, smarty pants...
Would you agree that the word "people" in the US Bill of Rights and the Constitution refers to the citizens of the States? I.E. "Well the People ..."
2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
See the word People in there. Guess what that's you, a citizen.
DarsMoonshade 3 years ago
LOL! This is just basic grammar. The first phrase is clearly a conditional one. Thus, what is stated later hinges upon whether or not this condition is met. Basically it is saying, "If one is to be part of this well-regulated militia, they must be allowed to keep and bear arms." In more modern language.
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
Not much room, to view my response make the following a normal URL by replacing the space with a period -
shortText com/93jupe
ShortText is a pretty nifty online tool.
voceangeli 3 years ago
"The people" are referred to five times in the Bill of Rights and once in the preamble, do you believe that all of them refer to the militia? It seems more likely to me that the militia reference is an example of necessity, but the right remains with "the people". Of course you can prove me wrong by providing an example where "the people" refers to the militia elsewhere in the Constitution.
voceangeli 3 years ago
Grammar again. In THE SECOND AMMENDMENT, "the people" is a logical subset of the militia. In other contexts it is not set up in this logical manner. Sorry...
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
As my example shows, even ignoring the context, the grammar shows no conditional phrase. You had to add that yourself. The context is just icing on the cake.
voceangeli 3 years ago
Amazing how conservatives want to protect our right to own a gun but where were they when the patriot act was signed? Only 1 or 2 true conservatives spoke out against it knowing that it was unpatriotic. Gotta love the right wing they're all kinds of fucked up aren't they? TRAITORS!WHERE WERE YOU VERMIN!
fringefries 3 years ago
courtneywbradley:
"The nation of japan has the population of a large American city, not a good comparison. Japan also is a protectorate of the U.S. and militias are not nessesary."
Um, where to start? Japan has a population of 128 million people (16 times the size the most populous city in the US, New York City) and regained it's status as a sovereign nation in 1952. It ranks 6th in the world in military expenditures.
voceangeli 3 years ago
I should clarify my position. I'm all for nationalizing health care in the US and there are many things that these smaller countries do right that the US could do which would make healthcare better in the US. I thought Sicko was well done with the exception of certain comparisons. I just think that the comparison of countries like Sweden (who's population is about the size of North Carolina and has the ethnic diversity of Utah) to the US is patently absurd.
voceangeli 3 years ago
very few countries have a purely nationalized health system. UK doesnt, Australia doesnt, Germany Doesnt, Sweden doesnt. Even the proponents of national health care are woefully ignorant of other countries health systems
gaguy1967 3 years ago
Did you know that France has a nationalized healthcare system and they pay no more that 24% in a vat tax. The average tax in the us is 36% and what do we have to show for it? but a war with no end in sight, a 10 trillion dollar deficit and a health insurance disaster on the horizon. We have tried it your way and it is a MASSIVE FAILURE. Everyone knows that corporations are in collusion with each other and that's why the prices keep going up. Managed competition is a complete and utter FAILURE!
fringefries 3 years ago
The people LIKE the status quo in France. You claim it is "horrible", but really the total payments including those in taxes are LOWER than what they would be if everyone paid individually... Buying in bulk (aka nationally) means lower prices per unit. It's a simple fact of economics.
fortunecookiesucks 3 years ago
that is a horrible comparison. France pays 24%VAT plus income taxes. In the US our equivalent of a VAT would be less than 10%
gaguy1967 3 years ago
The corporate welfare state created under the republicans is a MASSIVE FAILURE. The promises of managed competition lowering the prices of goods and services has been completely elusive due to corporate collusion on pricing. If you have a different opinion I'd like to hear it. If you can name one company that has been able to lower prices in the last 10 yrs due to the disney magic of managed competition to lower prices then please site the company and an example. Thanks I'll be...waiting.
fringefries 3 years ago
bleunt: You're comparing a country of 9 million people to a country of more than 300 million people. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing what would happen to Sweden's "lower kills by firearms" if Sweden ever allowed any type of diversity within it's borders. Of course, since Sweden practiced Eugenics until 1976 (sterilizing non-whites essentially) that's not likely to happen any time soon:
findarticles com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970825/ai_n14119273
voceangeli 3 years ago