@myrnarogelio "mass attacks" are so rare and contain so many variables that it is futile to really train for such an attack. Focus on fight avoidance and good situational awareness. GJJ teaches a simple way to fight a untrained opponent and there Combatives methods are good against 99% of the world, that's enough for most ppl
In addition to slouttop., this video is very effective and efficient in one on one combat against a bigger and more athletic opponent.. Can you share us your knowledge how to deal with a mass attack scenario? I think when I have an M4 with 12 30 rds magazine will work or a 20 GJJ experts against 20 punks on the street will make you realize or predict who will emerge victorious. What is your predictions?.
To slouttop.I respect your opinion but do you think we are silly enough to engage multiple attackers when we are alone in a streetfight?. What Master Rener and Master Ryron want us to to learn is to how to defeat an agressive opponent in a one on one combat and not fighting against multiple attackers.Don't confuse luck withskill. Your use of profanity against the Gracie family and their grateful students including me reflects your not warrior type but it flaunts your super ego maniac type.
Who said that in a steet fight its going to be 1 vs 1? Would you be in this position against 2 or more onto 1? These guys are so fucking rediculous and there are soooo many assholes out there that beleive in this nonsence. There is no doubt this would be effective 1 against 1. Have you ever seen gracies or any BJJ describe defence against multiple attackers?
To @zakquack and @noose357. If you want to be a winner in a fight, you must respect your enemy. The Gracie Family means no harm to us. You must be grateful because a lot of people changed in a better, effective, and efficient way when they learned this magnificent art. Including me.
Every strike you throw you risk breaking your hand and fingers, that's even more essential in a life or death scenario, you NEED hand dexterity to grab a weapon, operate a gun, open a door, climb up off the ground. Striking and Breaking your hand is about as detrimental in a real fight as trying to pull half guard, or work spider guard or that other sport BJJ nonsense
In this context streetfight = 1 on 1 with no rules, not a mugging. Strikes and mains not only risk injury to yourself, but aren't always defensible in court, they also activate the "fight or flight" response and make your opponent WAY stronger than they normally are b/c of adrenaline. Also this is GJJ, so everything is under the filter of-- done against someone BIGGER & STRONGER
In reality,you should never want to play the ground game with ANYone in a street fight.What he says 4:14 - 4:25 made me cringe.So in a no holds barred fight,you wanna take your time?Why,so I can wait for his buddies to come kick my head in or so he can pull out his knife and stab me? This video and "instructor"overlook the most obvious target in reach: the nuts. Disengaging on the ground in order to stand up,is insanely more important then chasing after transitions and positions.
@bebaiz Oh well I'm just being real. Playing the ground game in a real attack or street fight is more dangerous than helpful and is more likely to get you killed.If it's really a no holds barred situation, the ground is literally the last place you want to go.Therefore, if there's no rules, and someone is stupid enough to pull guard on me, 2 things will probably happen.1,I'm going to attack their nuts 2.I'm then going to pick them up and Dake Age(Power slam) them. If it's me or them, I pick me.
@ArmorKingRulez That's idiot logic I'm sorry. I'm not knocking BJJ, I'm just saying,a huge flaw here, is the fact that the guard is so heavily relied on. In real life, the guard is far from your main concern. You make that statement as if I'm unschooled and don't know what I'm talking about. He can try and grab for my arms all he wants, but after I've destroyed his nuts,and he reaches for my arms for any set-up, I'm slamming him on his head, or if he's smart enough to let go, stomp on his face.
Its your choice what u want to believe.No one is stopping you.maybe you find your strategy works on everyone but i have different opinions cuz I feel comfortable fighting on the ground where most bullies in my school have no clue what to do once on the ground.I remember the surprise on their face when they actually can't do anything to me when they are in my guard and ironically they got desperate and try to grab my nuts and all that which ended up with them bullies sleeping.
@ArmorKing Again that's your experience.I know what I'm talking about because I've been in both situations. I've been set up in a triangle,that ended with me slamming the guy on his back and damn near knocking him out,and I've tried to triangle a much bigger opponent only to be picked up and I had only a second to let go before his gorilla weight came back down on me.Please dont misunderstand,I have no doubt it works in a 9th grade school bully fight.I however am talking fighting in the street.
@noose357 if someone's close enough to bite me i can bite them back... I'll be all like, 'ohhhh you wanna turn this into a monkey-fight?? OOOOWAAAAAH!!!! *BITE*'
@noose357 if you're in my guard i can easily bite you back... if i'm in your guard and you bite me, i can bite you back.. If we're monkey fighting i'm going to scratch your eyes out and bite your penis off and your nose and swish them around together and spit them into your eyes which now have no eye-lids and then i'm going to sodomize you to prove my dominance then i will fling poo at you and have a banana and nap in a tree.
@zakquack You need to strategize more effectively. Biting/groin attacks aren't the only moves available. I will never worry about the guard in a street fight, because as Soon as i pick them up, there are ONLY two options. Hang on and except the slam (Stupid) or let go and disengage from my body making enough room for me to stand up (smart) either way whether they pick the smart or stupid option, either result returns benefits in my favor. Get smashed or let go of my body. End of discussion.
@noose357 and if I hook your leg that makes it impossible for you to slam me... Or im just too big? Or I grip your neck in such a way that would leverage a break upon impact with the ground? My point is, there is no end of discussion when dealing with retarded hypotheticals. And if you think youre a better expert than the guys in this video, youre not.
@zakquack It's not impossible for a trained opponent. In any other scenario, I pull out my knife and stab into your thigh and twist it. MY point is, there is an end of discussion.If you are attacked with a "what if" mind-set, you will be killed or seriously maimed.I never said anything about being an expert.
And if you think you're some amazing philosopher, you're not.The what if scenario can be played to death with anything. What if in the middle of a fight,the world blows up and ends?
@noose357 You're right... that bit at 4:14 is freaking awful. You don't take your time. You finish and get the hell out as quickly as you can. You bite. You gouge eyes. You do some real damage. You don't grapple and wait - as you mention - for his friends to get involved.
That statement alone invalidates everything else... plus the bit about it taking too much arm strength to lift the leg. STRIKE first. You shouldn't be doing anything without strikes or maims. Your life depends on it.
Doesn't the punch expose you to get your head captured again? I tried this pass in an MMA punches in Guard drill, the other guy captured my head again and he was new. :(
No espaço de tempo entre 1 minuto e dez segundos e um minuto e trinta ele pode levar um arm lock oum sankaku jime (triângulo) pois eu já tentei e o meu adversário me triangulou.
@FinchDenton Then it'll be a half-assed triangle attempt in which theres really no way a ufc wannabe can know how to get a correct triangle choke. So basicly you apply the escape.
@FinchDenton There's not a triangle possibility at 1:35 as long as you keep *both* arms either in or out of the party, as shown (but not explained) in this vid. If he'd had one arm in the guard, he'd be a sitting duck for a triangle like you pointed out.
most ufc junkies probably know what the guard is. as far as how to pass it or do anything resembling jiu jitsu thats where you would have an advantage. a white belt with a couple of months of rolling experience will probably out grapple any untrained douche bag
People claiming to be mixed martial artist but then doing nothing but abusing other people are a disgrace.. You type of people most likely only do it for the 'Look at me I can beat you up'.. Pathetic.
people who do jiu jitsu are the same as the people they face in the street, except they practice fighting often, we have been in street fights and are well aware that people want to grab nuts and so on... every fight I was in before jiu jitsu ended up in a grappling situation anyways
when I was a white belt I only used jiu jitsu in a group street fight standing up, I was the only one without a cut or injury
I dont say that this wont work for the streets, but there are too many moves and i see a triangle choke when he moves to the outside. In this position and you start hitting him he will get your head and pull it towards him, cuz he thinks he s safe from the punches. At this time get to your animal instinct and start biting the face and tear him apart.
@minasz sorry sir but, you can NOT get a triangle from this position because a triangle is one arm in and one arm out whereas in the video he is doing a DOUBLE UNDER PASS (not one arm in and one arm out). Secondly the part where you said that he could pull you back in could be beneficial to you because there is less room to move to pass the guard. And no i am not some idiot ranting about how i am a master. I am a white belt in no gi bjj.
@Grapplingndmma Im not talking about the triangle one arm in and one out and you choke him with his own arm pulling the head down!. Im talking about when he locks his legs, and twist his body so you hit the ground and got your neck locked.
this is not real combat jitsu,its sport jitsu.One you are wide open to eye jab in that position,doesnt need much impact to cause serious damage,two in side mount you are open to bein bitten.three why ground and pound or grapple,too slow.in the real world there are other people who could get involved so from that position you just take the eyes
@TheSilatiger Bro, I live in Yakima WA. A very GANG INFESTED town. I use Jiu Jitsu EVERYTIME I fight and i have not been beaten on the streets..People dont eye gouge and bite that much unless your at a bar..and biting wont kill you. A CURB STOMP can and will probably seriously injure OR KILL YOU. A simple counter to that is a Knee bar or a heel hook. Jiu jitsu is NOT slow AT ALL..One second they think they are going to beat you.. A split second later they're falling asleep in a Triangle choke =]
@misterzeerow You dont think jiu jitsu works on the street? Your the delusional one buddy..If you ever fight someone who actually trains..your going to be one embarrassed little kid when you wake up or have to scream like a little girl because your arm or leg was about to break..Learn how to fight kid..take classes 5 days a week like a real fighter. And dont act like you know what is effective when you more than likely dont know how to fight for shit..Ive used subs in the street so piss off =]
@MrTechnicalFighter dear internet fucktard. learn the difference between "your" and "you're" please do. im 16-4 as an amateur MMA fighter. i've been training since im 15. spent 4 years in thailand. ive been to krav maga seminars in tel aviv with the israeli army. i worked with bas rutten on selling his brand in beijing china...
...you're just full of shit and ignorant. please stop acting like you know anything...
do us all a favor and crawl back into the hole where you belong.
@misterzeerow Yeahh im a retard because im the one who is just a wannabe fighter and YOURRRR the one with a blue belt in the 10th planet jiu jitsu system...i feel sorry for clueless kids like you..
But... and when you're on guard, controlling his hips, trying to pass, he applies a telephone, a slap or something like that in eyes, nose or ear? Fingers eye. He's got his arms free, has no angle to throw punches, but I believe it can clap against your head. Outside it, is quite fast, it is perfectly possible to pass the guard unharmed.
These guys are AWESOME!! They got an instructional video out?! Anyways, I'm gonna watch every video they got on youtube as I get the chance... thanks for this!!
From a street fighting standpoint, even if you are on the ground, you still have to be aware of the fact that eye gouging can occur (both by you and from your opponent). Also instead of punching them in the face, why not punch the opponent in the neck directly or go for the eyes? Brutal yes, but if this is real world that would end the fight more quickly.
If you have some stupid objection "Urrrr he can throw a left-hook herp derp derp!" well there are half-a-dozen other easy guard passes (that I know of) to choose from.
very valuable information. i have to say thank you to gracyacademy for putting this info out here on the tubes for free for everyone to learn. my only problem with the vid is the situation. if its a 1 on 1 street fight or you're in a group that outnumbers you opponents, i'm sure its feasible... but if the guy you're trying to do this technique to has a few buddies around, you might get kicked in the head. street fights are very unpredictable and getting "jumped" is very different from a fight.
@LeadPaintSandwich "to do this technique to someone who has a few buddies around"* fixed
also when the fight is taken to the ground, you make it harder for you to run away if the situation gets really messed up (ex: someone takes out a weapon), even if you are in top. you also give a group time to surround you and prepare to beat you down. if your life and safety is in danger, don't be a hero. if its a pride street fight, be aware that some people can't stand to lose and will cheat.
When you get side control you can switch to full mount by moving your knee across their belly and instantly move to full mount. Sub from their and also that comment about strikes from the top mount basically being ineffective is crap. He is very schooled but has never been punched in the face.
@kirkoloft10 lol good eye there, but there's no real chance for a triangle choke UNLESS you were to be careless and left one arm in, for a triangle to close both carotid arteries (the blood vessels that supply blood to the brain) you'd need at least one arm in, with this technique you put both your arms under your opponents legs to get enough leverage to effectively pass the guard. if you don't believe me go ahead and try it yourself.
And then if it's a one on one fight and the other guy you're fighting with is down you straight kick him in the face, ribs or wherever the fuck.Footwear comes in handy in those situations, you know.If there are multiple oponents you're fighting then you try to get the hell out of there as soon as possible, or you if you are really capable you can fight even 4 or 5 oponents (and i've seen this a couple of times) with your FISTS! No ground fighting is involved in like 95% of street fights.
Who the hell fights on the street like this? NO ONE! I'm telling you, I'm sick of this MMA bullshit they serve as as being "street fight". In street fights you fight with your fists and that's that.
@dariusbilc Right.. thats why just about EVERY video on youtube has people pushing/shoving/grabbing wrists shirts and arms. And regardless of your experiences(which i'm guessing are minimal at best) the fact of the matter is, it is VERY difficult to keep a fight from going to the ground if someone wants it to. And that is where BJJ shines.
I really like these videos because of the explanations and their personality in general and knowledge of BJJ, but sorry, if you have a chance to finish him with punches, you better do it. Finish it fast, and get back up safely. Just my opinion though.
i dunno i still think that is a little risky in a street fight... if u put one leg on ur shoulder and the other free like that i dunno it could happen but what if they put u in a triangle?
@Kolanug it would have to be a no arm triangle. it could happen but they are really hard to get, especially if the person passing the guard grabs the leg at the knee on the side he is passing, like gracie is doing it
@Kolanug That is very unlikley beacuse first of all you are distracting him with punches, so he will not think about any triangles even if he could. Most people today in a street fight do not know how to apply the traingle.
It is almost impossible to fail if you do those moves to pass.
@Curatalo506 : Actually, a Russian fighter KOed a guy while being mounted with a left hook to the temple in a MMA match in Japan. To my knowledge, that's the only time it's ever happened.
@joeysmokesz195 no not really, if you look closely at the guy on the bottom you will see that if he attempted the triangle he will only get the head, now he might get lucky but you need to trap an arm in the triangle aswell to really put the pressure on the neck.
Dipping the arm/shoulder under the leg is dangerous for a triangle choke if your opponent knows jiu-jitsu. And also, instead of punching from the bottom I would use elbows, they're much more dangerous. Good stuff, but it has some flaws too.
I don't understand. If they were fighting someone versed in the guard, why would he pull his legs up when you hit him? Especially if the guard is all he knows, like most of the people who have just seen it on tv, it seems to me that he would be holding onto gaurd for dear life not releasing on the first strike.
@deaunte101 I think I see where you noticed that (when you swing your arms inside his guard at 1:28) But a triangle is only possible with one arm in and one arm out. Maybe if you were to do it slowly and one arm at a time your opponent will attempt a triagle, but the key here is moving your arms inside simultaneously after the strike. I've used this move once and it worked. Train hard and God bless.
well both his arms are still out and if the guy would grap a hold of the arm and bring his leg under, you still have all the time to throw the legs over and pass...at least when you know what you are doing
why was this a response to a jkd video.... goin to the ground is just playin into ur opponents game ...there's no reason for the fight to go to the ground it should n can be finished at the feet ...ground is over rated get hit n see what u say
the 2nd guard pass looks like hes giving himself away for a good triangle =P but like he said its very rare that the guy on the ground would understand what to do with it =P
They missed one of the best parts of jiu jitsu when talking about the reasons not to use the "ground and pound" method. You can seriously injure someone wailing on their face. If you choke them out apply and arm bar they understand that they have been beaten and there is less of a chance they win a lawsuit against you.
@GuerrillaLuchador hes talking about a street fight. he already said its unlikely that they will even close there guard. this is assuming they dont know what they are doing.
@GuerrillaLuchador You have to pull both arms under your opponent's legs to avoid triangle (just as they demonstrate in this video). If you pull only one arm and leave the other arm inside his guard, now you are vulnerable to get caught in triangle.
@GuerrillaLuchador Not so much. He'd have to get one of your arms between his legs to complete the submission. If you maintain grip on his thigh and shoulder with your arms on the outside, it shouldn't be much of a problem.
@bigmuso123 Be thankful that you at least you got good conditioning from KF. That makes it possible to learn and practice BJJ. These guys make this stuff look easy but if you don't have good conditioning and especially a strong core it is way harder than it looks.
Curatalo...you DONOT deserve to train in the martial arts. Your attitude is negative and childish. IF you where my student I would bounce your ass right out the door, and tell all the other local instructors to ignore you. Get some respect before you start shooting your mouth off.
No left hook. The bottom position can't manage the space to throw a hook. His left elbow is touching the ground.
Go lie down and try to throw a hook. It's a perfectly wrong position for a hook - there's ground in the way, there's leverage for power, there's no left hook.
@PanKrato and does everyone realize how fast this pass is? you may get off one pointless hook from the bottom if you're not choking on teeth or about to get mounted. hopefully that one hook does it...cause you're about to get thrashed.
@PanKrato A lot of ppl don't understand the fundamental aspects of control positions and think striking will negate them. No, if I have you mounted or side controlled, you're not going to be able to get much of shit off. Trying to throw punches from the side mount would only allow the opponent to close the distance no?
um.....what is your problem...i said that because he said that any punch he striked him with would be ineffective and would hurts your hands more...which is wrong..left hook...i never said it would knock him out because it wouldn't...but you're an idiot...because obviously you haven't seen many fights if you have not seen that, because it happens all the time...i said good game because i was right...that's all but thanks
@Curatalo506 : Actually, a Russian fighter KOed a guy while being mounted with a left hook to the temple. To mey knowledge, that's the only time it's ever happened.
@Curatalo506 the one guy tried to dive into someones guard in a Pride match....and the guy on the ground put his foot up and kicked him in the face, KO.
@Curatalo506 i dont care about the other comments, you specifically asked when someone knocked someone else out while on their back, and WENT ON to say it NEVER happened...
@Curatalo506@Curatalo506 Polish-Chechen MMA fighter - Mamed Khalidov knocked out Jorge Santiago with a hammer fist from his back!! ;) it was at SENGOKU 11 /watch?v=k4C2YACtxkA ;)
theres no space for a left hook. his elbow is blocked by the floor and his fist is about an inch away from his face. the best thing would be eye gouge...but i would advise against it for various reasons.
basically, there is absolutely no space for the punch to hurt at all.
actually, i believe it IS possible to hurt them a little bit....just not enough to do anything. i would rather save my energy and time and try working on escapes or reversals instead.
Hey i love you Dudes, but ya gotta get better stand up, i respct the art but its no Secret anymore, and Strong Jujitsu and jujitsu Defence, MUST be added to your Stand up to make you a Totally Complete.
it works better when you have both hands on throat drive foraward and hip thrust with posture throwing a punch then when you get both hands under the legs don't reach for the shoulder but place your palm flat next to his left hip and just all the way around on the other side to side mount ( old machado tec)
you have to have an arm in for the triangle so no there wouldnt be a risk, and if there was a risk of it the gracies wouldnt chance it, they would have a different technique
You dont really put yourself in any traingle postion.. If he has some knowledge he might try to choke you out with his legs but that can be real easy to pass.. just place one of your legs over he body and u can pass it
not many people in the street pull guard so i dont see the point in calling it streetfight guard pass. Guard pass is essential to learn, but in the street they generally are extrememly easy to pass.
Not really dude,There are some good BJJ guys at my school who will break your posture,and could keep you in guard all day,the key to a guard pass isnt smashing or thrashing (Thats the key to getting armbarred in the street) But its actually possturing,and keeping tight to them. But Now,just because you step off the mat doesnt meen your guard is less powerfull when punches are involved.
nah thats not what i meant haha... I just meant the average joe in the street is not likely to have any BJJ, so strong guard passes, and advanced ones, are mostly used on the mat. In my experience random people on the street dont even know how to pull guard let alone know how to defend passes. I get what your saying, but its kind of irrelevant to what i was trying to say but failed to communicate i guess. But yeah, I train gi almost everyday with a guy who trained with the gracies for 9 years
I already did, and it shows nothing of what you speak about. I provided you with a link that proves my point. If you wish to convince me do so by showing me proof. Because so far you have provided none.
lol me too. But truthfully a streetfighting bum which is what this video is designed for wont have the biomechanical skills to armbar you. On the off they do i'm pretty sure they wont do it fast enough to catch a six-month white belt so just stack the hell outta him and pass. If it was me i'd arm triangle him til he sleeps or if i can isolate both arms one w/ my legs one w/ arm and elbow with my free arm til he cries like a bitch (: but the finish is truely up to you, you are the practicioner.
I debate to myself whether an amateur fighter would know a basic armbar move. It's likely me just being the critic. When we've done this long enough, we become so aware.
YOUR KEMPO KARATE, TAE KWON DO CRAP HAS PROVEN TO BE A JOKE AND A SCAM TO THE WORLD AS FOR WHAT IT SAYS IT CAN HELP YOU WITH IN A FIGHT SITUATION. WHEN JIU-JITSU ENTERED THE RING TO PROVE IT WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE ART IN THE ART IT ALSO EVOLVED THE ART OF FIGHTING THAT WAS AT A STAND STILL FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. TO BE A COMPLETE FIGHTER YOU NEED JIU JITSU BOTTOM LINE. HERE IS A TRUE FACT "90% OF FIGHT END UP ON THE GROUND" (Bakari Akil II, Ph.D.)
you bitch about people talking smack about your art, but its ok for you to do it? lol how lovely, you really need to take a pill. and my training has saved my butt more than once. funny you guys always talk about the ring, that means sport to me. i want to see some self defense, not tournament stuff. how many times do i have to say it? that is far from being a fact, according to most police statistics. even if it was...100% of them start standing up.
Yes I will talk smack about your art because you decided to make a false foolish comment, and now your saying your art has saved you more than once?I'll bet thats a lie as well you mention police, Police officers and military train jiujitsu for control purposes and SELF DEFENSE not KEMPO . and who says anything about a tournament I'm talking a fight in the street or the ring actually the people that fight in the ring are even more dangerous than the street and most train jiujitsu
i don't care if you believe me or not. where do you get that im saying jiujitsu sucks? i really dont understand that. and the military studies and trains alot more than just jiujitsu, in fact on the gracie's own website they say the army combatives program won't even get you a blue belt. the army also studies kempo, taekwondo, muay thai, fma, jkd and many others. and most of them will teach that you dont want to be on the ground in self defense. if it happens you need to know it.
@myrnarogelio "mass attacks" are so rare and contain so many variables that it is futile to really train for such an attack. Focus on fight avoidance and good situational awareness. GJJ teaches a simple way to fight a untrained opponent and there Combatives methods are good against 99% of the world, that's enough for most ppl
lsloewen2 1 month ago
weapon defense????? concentration of force on vital areas/ nerve centers etc.?
hs72js82 2 months ago
In addition to slouttop., this video is very effective and efficient in one on one combat against a bigger and more athletic opponent.. Can you share us your knowledge how to deal with a mass attack scenario? I think when I have an M4 with 12 30 rds magazine will work or a 20 GJJ experts against 20 punks on the street will make you realize or predict who will emerge victorious. What is your predictions?.
myrnarogelio 2 months ago
To slouttop.I respect your opinion but do you think we are silly enough to engage multiple attackers when we are alone in a streetfight?. What Master Rener and Master Ryron want us to to learn is to how to defeat an agressive opponent in a one on one combat and not fighting against multiple attackers.Don't confuse luck withskill. Your use of profanity against the Gracie family and their grateful students including me reflects your not warrior type but it flaunts your super ego maniac type.
myrnarogelio 2 months ago
Who said that in a steet fight its going to be 1 vs 1? Would you be in this position against 2 or more onto 1? These guys are so fucking rediculous and there are soooo many assholes out there that beleive in this nonsence. There is no doubt this would be effective 1 against 1. Have you ever seen gracies or any BJJ describe defence against multiple attackers?
slouttop 2 months ago
To @zakquack and @noose357. If you want to be a winner in a fight, you must respect your enemy. The Gracie Family means no harm to us. You must be grateful because a lot of people changed in a better, effective, and efficient way when they learned this magnificent art. Including me.
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crazyCIAhitman 3 months ago
@crazyCIAhitman Troll.
dirtyminded604 3 months ago
@dirtyminded604 thats awfly mean of you to say that.
crazyCIAhitman 3 months ago
@crazyCIAhitman Point proven...
dirtyminded604 3 months ago
@dirtyminded604 What that i get offended when you call me a troll....those are ugly things.
crazyCIAhitman 3 months ago
@gabrielsburg
Every strike you throw you risk breaking your hand and fingers, that's even more essential in a life or death scenario, you NEED hand dexterity to grab a weapon, operate a gun, open a door, climb up off the ground. Striking and Breaking your hand is about as detrimental in a real fight as trying to pull half guard, or work spider guard or that other sport BJJ nonsense
lsloewen2 3 months ago
@gabrielsburg
In this context streetfight = 1 on 1 with no rules, not a mugging. Strikes and mains not only risk injury to yourself, but aren't always defensible in court, they also activate the "fight or flight" response and make your opponent WAY stronger than they normally are b/c of adrenaline. Also this is GJJ, so everything is under the filter of-- done against someone BIGGER & STRONGER
lsloewen2 3 months ago
In reality,you should never want to play the ground game with ANYone in a street fight.What he says 4:14 - 4:25 made me cringe.So in a no holds barred fight,you wanna take your time?Why,so I can wait for his buddies to come kick my head in or so he can pull out his knife and stab me? This video and "instructor"overlook the most obvious target in reach: the nuts. Disengaging on the ground in order to stand up,is insanely more important then chasing after transitions and positions.
noose357 5 months ago
@noose357 That'll get u hated and hunted...
bebaiz 5 months ago
@bebaiz Oh well I'm just being real. Playing the ground game in a real attack or street fight is more dangerous than helpful and is more likely to get you killed.If it's really a no holds barred situation, the ground is literally the last place you want to go.Therefore, if there's no rules, and someone is stupid enough to pull guard on me, 2 things will probably happen.1,I'm going to attack their nuts 2.I'm then going to pick them up and Dake Age(Power slam) them. If it's me or them, I pick me.
noose357 5 months ago
@noose357 o.o another hypothetical street fighter lol it never ends on youtube
cocotiger77 5 months ago
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noose357 5 months ago
@noose357
Try to reach Draculino's nuts and see what you end up with..my bet is probably a broken arm or in a triangle choke.
ArmorKingRulez 3 months ago
@ArmorKingRulez That's idiot logic I'm sorry. I'm not knocking BJJ, I'm just saying,a huge flaw here, is the fact that the guard is so heavily relied on. In real life, the guard is far from your main concern. You make that statement as if I'm unschooled and don't know what I'm talking about. He can try and grab for my arms all he wants, but after I've destroyed his nuts,and he reaches for my arms for any set-up, I'm slamming him on his head, or if he's smart enough to let go, stomp on his face.
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357
Its your choice what u want to believe.No one is stopping you.maybe you find your strategy works on everyone but i have different opinions cuz I feel comfortable fighting on the ground where most bullies in my school have no clue what to do once on the ground.I remember the surprise on their face when they actually can't do anything to me when they are in my guard and ironically they got desperate and try to grab my nuts and all that which ended up with them bullies sleeping.
ArmorKingRulez 3 months ago
@ArmorKing Again that's your experience.I know what I'm talking about because I've been in both situations. I've been set up in a triangle,that ended with me slamming the guy on his back and damn near knocking him out,and I've tried to triangle a much bigger opponent only to be picked up and I had only a second to let go before his gorilla weight came back down on me.Please dont misunderstand,I have no doubt it works in a 9th grade school bully fight.I however am talking fighting in the street.
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357 that's why i wear a cup 24/7
zakquack 3 months ago
@zakquack Then I hope you're also wearing a suit of armor, because that is not the only target availble, and I didn't even mention biting.
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357 if someone's close enough to bite me i can bite them back... I'll be all like, 'ohhhh you wanna turn this into a monkey-fight?? OOOOWAAAAAH!!!! *BITE*'
zakquack 3 months ago
@zakquack Not if i'm in the guard!!! LOL
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357 if you're in my guard i can easily bite you back... if i'm in your guard and you bite me, i can bite you back.. If we're monkey fighting i'm going to scratch your eyes out and bite your penis off and your nose and swish them around together and spit them into your eyes which now have no eye-lids and then i'm going to sodomize you to prove my dominance then i will fling poo at you and have a banana and nap in a tree.
zakquack 3 months ago
@zakquack You need to strategize more effectively. Biting/groin attacks aren't the only moves available. I will never worry about the guard in a street fight, because as Soon as i pick them up, there are ONLY two options. Hang on and except the slam (Stupid) or let go and disengage from my body making enough room for me to stand up (smart) either way whether they pick the smart or stupid option, either result returns benefits in my favor. Get smashed or let go of my body. End of discussion.
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357 and if I hook your leg that makes it impossible for you to slam me... Or im just too big? Or I grip your neck in such a way that would leverage a break upon impact with the ground? My point is, there is no end of discussion when dealing with retarded hypotheticals. And if you think youre a better expert than the guys in this video, youre not.
zakquack 3 months ago
@zakquack It's not impossible for a trained opponent. In any other scenario, I pull out my knife and stab into your thigh and twist it. MY point is, there is an end of discussion.If you are attacked with a "what if" mind-set, you will be killed or seriously maimed.I never said anything about being an expert.
And if you think you're some amazing philosopher, you're not.The what if scenario can be played to death with anything. What if in the middle of a fight,the world blows up and ends?
noose357 3 months ago
@noose357 You're right... that bit at 4:14 is freaking awful. You don't take your time. You finish and get the hell out as quickly as you can. You bite. You gouge eyes. You do some real damage. You don't grapple and wait - as you mention - for his friends to get involved.
That statement alone invalidates everything else... plus the bit about it taking too much arm strength to lift the leg. STRIKE first. You shouldn't be doing anything without strikes or maims. Your life depends on it.
gabrielsburg 3 months ago
Doesn't the punch expose you to get your head captured again? I tried this pass in an MMA punches in Guard drill, the other guy captured my head again and he was new. :(
IamVeryFrozen 5 months ago
No espaço de tempo entre 1 minuto e dez segundos e um minuto e trinta ele pode levar um arm lock oum sankaku jime (triângulo) pois eu já tentei e o meu adversário me triangulou.
robertofegomes 5 months ago
Aren't you quite vulnerable to triangle chokes at 1:35?
I mean, assuming the guy has ever seen a MMA fight, even if he doesn't know BJJ technically, he still might be able to lock in a triangle.
FinchDenton 5 months ago
@FinchDenton Then it'll be a half-assed triangle attempt in which theres really no way a ufc wannabe can know how to get a correct triangle choke. So basicly you apply the escape.
Govegeda 5 months ago
@FinchDenton There's not a triangle possibility at 1:35 as long as you keep *both* arms either in or out of the party, as shown (but not explained) in this vid. If he'd had one arm in the guard, he'd be a sitting duck for a triangle like you pointed out.
kendroid 5 months ago
@kendroid
Ah okay, cool, thanks for the explanation.
FinchDenton 5 months ago
most ufc junkies probably know what the guard is. as far as how to pass it or do anything resembling jiu jitsu thats where you would have an advantage. a white belt with a couple of months of rolling experience will probably out grapple any untrained douche bag
phantasmo14 5 months ago 2
People claiming to be mixed martial artist but then doing nothing but abusing other people are a disgrace.. You type of people most likely only do it for the 'Look at me I can beat you up'.. Pathetic.
MrNaySmith 6 months ago
people who do jiu jitsu are the same as the people they face in the street, except they practice fighting often, we have been in street fights and are well aware that people want to grab nuts and so on... every fight I was in before jiu jitsu ended up in a grappling situation anyways
when I was a white belt I only used jiu jitsu in a group street fight standing up, I was the only one without a cut or injury
marsy91 6 months ago
I dont say that this wont work for the streets, but there are too many moves and i see a triangle choke when he moves to the outside. In this position and you start hitting him he will get your head and pull it towards him, cuz he thinks he s safe from the punches. At this time get to your animal instinct and start biting the face and tear him apart.
minasz 6 months ago
@minasz sorry sir but, you can NOT get a triangle from this position because a triangle is one arm in and one arm out whereas in the video he is doing a DOUBLE UNDER PASS (not one arm in and one arm out). Secondly the part where you said that he could pull you back in could be beneficial to you because there is less room to move to pass the guard. And no i am not some idiot ranting about how i am a master. I am a white belt in no gi bjj.
Grapplingndmma 6 months ago
@Grapplingndmma Im not talking about the triangle one arm in and one out and you choke him with his own arm pulling the head down!. Im talking about when he locks his legs, and twist his body so you hit the ground and got your neck locked.
minasz 6 months ago
@minasz Yes i understand the concept of the triangle...Are you talking about the body triangle?
Grapplingndmma 6 months ago
@minasz Also no disrespect my fighting brother.
Grapplingndmma 6 months ago
Why would you take the time to search something and then dislike it? The fuck is wrong with you people?
MrKhanYay 7 months ago
question: when you posture up, what about the danger of being caught in an arm bar from guard?
Iaintom 7 months ago
this is not real combat jitsu,its sport jitsu.One you are wide open to eye jab in that position,doesnt need much impact to cause serious damage,two in side mount you are open to bein bitten.three why ground and pound or grapple,too slow.in the real world there are other people who could get involved so from that position you just take the eyes
TheSilatiger 7 months ago
@TheSilatiger Bro, I live in Yakima WA. A very GANG INFESTED town. I use Jiu Jitsu EVERYTIME I fight and i have not been beaten on the streets..People dont eye gouge and bite that much unless your at a bar..and biting wont kill you. A CURB STOMP can and will probably seriously injure OR KILL YOU. A simple counter to that is a Knee bar or a heel hook. Jiu jitsu is NOT slow AT ALL..One second they think they are going to beat you.. A split second later they're falling asleep in a Triangle choke =]
MrTechnicalFighter 7 months ago
@MrTechnicalFighter you're delusional and no one believes your tales.
misterzeerow 7 months ago
@misterzeerow You dont think jiu jitsu works on the street? Your the delusional one buddy..If you ever fight someone who actually trains..your going to be one embarrassed little kid when you wake up or have to scream like a little girl because your arm or leg was about to break..Learn how to fight kid..take classes 5 days a week like a real fighter. And dont act like you know what is effective when you more than likely dont know how to fight for shit..Ive used subs in the street so piss off =]
MrTechnicalFighter 7 months ago
@MrTechnicalFighter dear internet fucktard. learn the difference between "your" and "you're" please do. im 16-4 as an amateur MMA fighter. i've been training since im 15. spent 4 years in thailand. ive been to krav maga seminars in tel aviv with the israeli army. i worked with bas rutten on selling his brand in beijing china...
...you're just full of shit and ignorant. please stop acting like you know anything...
do us all a favor and crawl back into the hole where you belong.
misterzeerow 7 months ago
@MrTechnicalFighter retard. haha
misterzeerow 7 months ago
@misterzeerow Yeahh im a retard because im the one who is just a wannabe fighter and YOURRRR the one with a blue belt in the 10th planet jiu jitsu system...i feel sorry for clueless kids like you..
MrTechnicalFighter 6 months ago
@MrTechnicalFighter WA represent!!
Mathizzle 3 months ago
heectic
bsut01 7 months ago
But... and when you're on guard, controlling his hips, trying to pass, he applies a telephone, a slap or something like that in eyes, nose or ear? Fingers eye. He's got his arms free, has no angle to throw punches, but I believe it can clap against your head. Outside it, is quite fast, it is perfectly possible to pass the guard unharmed.
MrPguarnier 8 months ago
These guys are AWESOME!! They got an instructional video out?! Anyways, I'm gonna watch every video they got on youtube as I get the chance... thanks for this!!
hbkgault 8 months ago
From a street fighting standpoint, even if you are on the ground, you still have to be aware of the fact that eye gouging can occur (both by you and from your opponent). Also instead of punching them in the face, why not punch the opponent in the neck directly or go for the eyes? Brutal yes, but if this is real world that would end the fight more quickly.
SPE825 8 months ago
If you have some stupid objection "Urrrr he can throw a left-hook herp derp derp!" well there are half-a-dozen other easy guard passes (that I know of) to choose from.
Learn some Jiu-jitsu.
Itsnattatooma 8 months ago
very valuable information. i have to say thank you to gracyacademy for putting this info out here on the tubes for free for everyone to learn. my only problem with the vid is the situation. if its a 1 on 1 street fight or you're in a group that outnumbers you opponents, i'm sure its feasible... but if the guy you're trying to do this technique to has a few buddies around, you might get kicked in the head. street fights are very unpredictable and getting "jumped" is very different from a fight.
LeadPaintSandwich 9 months ago
@LeadPaintSandwich "to do this technique to someone who has a few buddies around"* fixed
also when the fight is taken to the ground, you make it harder for you to run away if the situation gets really messed up (ex: someone takes out a weapon), even if you are in top. you also give a group time to surround you and prepare to beat you down. if your life and safety is in danger, don't be a hero. if its a pride street fight, be aware that some people can't stand to lose and will cheat.
LeadPaintSandwich 9 months ago
When you get side control you can switch to full mount by moving your knee across their belly and instantly move to full mount. Sub from their and also that comment about strikes from the top mount basically being ineffective is crap. He is very schooled but has never been punched in the face.
MrToddskins 9 months ago
triaNGLE CHOKE!
kirkoloft10 10 months ago
@kirkoloft10 lol good eye there, but there's no real chance for a triangle choke UNLESS you were to be careless and left one arm in, for a triangle to close both carotid arteries (the blood vessels that supply blood to the brain) you'd need at least one arm in, with this technique you put both your arms under your opponents legs to get enough leverage to effectively pass the guard. if you don't believe me go ahead and try it yourself.
ffrplaye 10 months ago
And then if it's a one on one fight and the other guy you're fighting with is down you straight kick him in the face, ribs or wherever the fuck.Footwear comes in handy in those situations, you know.If there are multiple oponents you're fighting then you try to get the hell out of there as soon as possible, or you if you are really capable you can fight even 4 or 5 oponents (and i've seen this a couple of times) with your FISTS! No ground fighting is involved in like 95% of street fights.
dariusbilc 10 months ago
Who the hell fights on the street like this? NO ONE! I'm telling you, I'm sick of this MMA bullshit they serve as as being "street fight". In street fights you fight with your fists and that's that.
dariusbilc 10 months ago
@dariusbilc Only if you dont know what your doing!
xmanrules2001 9 months ago
@dariusbilc Right.. thats why just about EVERY video on youtube has people pushing/shoving/grabbing wrists shirts and arms. And regardless of your experiences(which i'm guessing are minimal at best) the fact of the matter is, it is VERY difficult to keep a fight from going to the ground if someone wants it to. And that is where BJJ shines.
TrippleLee 9 months ago
i think he's actually trying to fuck him
8smellyjelly8 11 months ago
ive been in a few streetfights before, and never has passing the guard come to my mind,
when your in a streetfight, you dont try to go for submissions, you try to survive
dmbass313 11 months ago
he sounds like mark walborg
tmass1 1 year ago
you don't need space to throw a hook, you move your hips and provide space between your opponent then get wrist control
you can knock someone out from your back btw
Kickboxer067 1 year ago
and if all else fails, its the street, so slams and punches to the balls will also probably break open his closed guard :)
khazal12 1 year ago
I really like these videos because of the explanations and their personality in general and knowledge of BJJ, but sorry, if you have a chance to finish him with punches, you better do it. Finish it fast, and get back up safely. Just my opinion though.
mmafan400 1 year ago
@mmafan400 However I still like this video, is definitely useful.
mmafan400 1 year ago
What if he kicks me in the face...
MrCharlestonbattery 1 year ago
i dunno i still think that is a little risky in a street fight... if u put one leg on ur shoulder and the other free like that i dunno it could happen but what if they put u in a triangle?
Kolanug 1 year ago
@Kolanug it would have to be a no arm triangle. it could happen but they are really hard to get, especially if the person passing the guard grabs the leg at the knee on the side he is passing, like gracie is doing it
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@Kolanug That is very unlikley beacuse first of all you are distracting him with punches, so he will not think about any triangles even if he could. Most people today in a street fight do not know how to apply the traingle.
It is almost impossible to fail if you do those moves to pass.
takidabossen 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 : Actually, a Russian fighter KOed a guy while being mounted with a left hook to the temple in a MMA match in Japan. To my knowledge, that's the only time it's ever happened.
SpartansQuest 1 year ago
@SpartansQuest I think you mean Machmed kalivdov. Chechen fighter. And the striking positision was very weird. It wasn't from guard
Curatalo506 1 year ago
easy triangle?
joeysmokesz195 1 year ago
@joeysmokesz195 no not really, if you look closely at the guy on the bottom you will see that if he attempted the triangle he will only get the head, now he might get lucky but you need to trap an arm in the triangle aswell to really put the pressure on the neck.
xlsentinel 1 year ago
@xlsentinel All you need is AN arm. It doesn't have to be theirs. ;)
JacksEpicFail 1 year ago
Dipping the arm/shoulder under the leg is dangerous for a triangle choke if your opponent knows jiu-jitsu. And also, instead of punching from the bottom I would use elbows, they're much more dangerous. Good stuff, but it has some flaws too.
HmongYou2Tube 1 year ago
I don't understand. If they were fighting someone versed in the guard, why would he pull his legs up when you hit him? Especially if the guard is all he knows, like most of the people who have just seen it on tv, it seems to me that he would be holding onto gaurd for dear life not releasing on the first strike.
ChuckFinleytube 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
it is not good !!!
kokushinka 1 year ago
We learned this move last week in my bjj class... I pulled a fucking back musle because of being stacked by a guy that out weighs me by 100 pounds..
My back still fucking hurts
dirkbikeman1001 1 year ago
@dirkbikeman1001 That motherfucking sucks. I hate grappling bigger people LOL
SuckMehDook 1 year ago
you can get triangled using this tech
deaunte101 1 year ago
@deaunte101 I think I see where you noticed that (when you swing your arms inside his guard at 1:28) But a triangle is only possible with one arm in and one arm out. Maybe if you were to do it slowly and one arm at a time your opponent will attempt a triagle, but the key here is moving your arms inside simultaneously after the strike. I've used this move once and it worked. Train hard and God bless.
pkouret 1 year ago
@pkouret sorry to break it to ya, but there is an armless triangle
kornholeo167 1 year ago
@deaunte101
well both his arms are still out and if the guy would grap a hold of the arm and bring his leg under, you still have all the time to throw the legs over and pass...at least when you know what you are doing
muaythai193 1 year ago
why was this a response to a jkd video.... goin to the ground is just playin into ur opponents game ...there's no reason for the fight to go to the ground it should n can be finished at the feet ...ground is over rated get hit n see what u say
stompin74 1 year ago
the 2nd guard pass looks like hes giving himself away for a good triangle =P but like he said its very rare that the guy on the ground would understand what to do with it =P
bls90 1 year ago
i would never assume that a street fighter wont lock in the guard, i was doing that without any training
if they dont, great, better for us.
derecuis 1 year ago
They missed one of the best parts of jiu jitsu when talking about the reasons not to use the "ground and pound" method. You can seriously injure someone wailing on their face. If you choke them out apply and arm bar they understand that they have been beaten and there is less of a chance they win a lawsuit against you.
stang4lyfe07 1 year ago
@stang4lyfe07 I agree. You're less likely to hurt yourself as well. If you miss in a streetfight, you might just wind up punching asphalt, not a mat.
ChuckFinleytube 1 year ago
how can i stai in full guard on the street and avoid beeing kneed or stomped in the groin?
alucardseperdalv 1 year ago
Great Stuff!
minasz 1 year ago
nice vid. what if he has a knife or buddy waiting behind your back?
jamx97 1 year ago
When in a streetfight and find yourself in guard utilize the headbutt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ruthlessforce 1 year ago
Got it.
GuerrillaLuchador 1 year ago
I think this is how gay men fuck each other. Really strange.
boyaah123 1 year ago
when you put your shoulder under his leg for the pass, are you opening your self up for a triangle?
GuerrillaLuchador 1 year ago
@GuerrillaLuchador hes talking about a street fight. he already said its unlikely that they will even close there guard. this is assuming they dont know what they are doing.
Debowmusic 1 year ago
@GuerrillaLuchador You have to pull both arms under your opponent's legs to avoid triangle (just as they demonstrate in this video). If you pull only one arm and leave the other arm inside his guard, now you are vulnerable to get caught in triangle.
Lookaasheq 1 year ago
@Lookaasheq nice, thanks for the tip.
GuerrillaLuchador 1 year ago
@GuerrillaLuchador Not so much. He'd have to get one of your arms between his legs to complete the submission. If you maintain grip on his thigh and shoulder with your arms on the outside, it shouldn't be much of a problem.
jnguyen06 1 year ago
mirco crocop did it
kidwithbrownhair 1 year ago
excellent
5764830 1 year ago
jiu jitsu rocks, 12 years i did kung fu, crap,
bigmuso123 1 year ago
@bigmuso123 Be thankful that you at least you got good conditioning from KF. That makes it possible to learn and practice BJJ. These guys make this stuff look easy but if you don't have good conditioning and especially a strong core it is way harder than it looks.
TrickShepherd 1 year ago
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Curatalo506 1 year ago
Curatalo...you DONOT deserve to train in the martial arts. Your attitude is negative and childish. IF you where my student I would bounce your ass right out the door, and tell all the other local instructors to ignore you. Get some respect before you start shooting your mouth off.
JimmyPtheman 1 year ago
@cmzuppe
No left hook. The bottom position can't manage the space to throw a hook. His left elbow is touching the ground.
Go lie down and try to throw a hook. It's a perfectly wrong position for a hook - there's ground in the way, there's leverage for power, there's no left hook.
FAIL
PanKrato 1 year ago 10
@PanKrato and does everyone realize how fast this pass is? you may get off one pointless hook from the bottom if you're not choking on teeth or about to get mounted. hopefully that one hook does it...cause you're about to get thrashed.
tracietracieharrow 1 year ago
@PanKrato A lot of ppl don't understand the fundamental aspects of control positions and think striking will negate them. No, if I have you mounted or side controlled, you're not going to be able to get much of shit off. Trying to throw punches from the side mount would only allow the opponent to close the distance no?
np494609 9 months ago
2:50 left hook to the grill good game.
cmzuppe 1 year ago
Yah right "good game".
Whens the last time you saw somebody knock a guy out from his back?
Never
Curatalo506 1 year ago 6
um.....what is your problem...i said that because he said that any punch he striked him with would be ineffective and would hurts your hands more...which is wrong..left hook...i never said it would knock him out because it wouldn't...but you're an idiot...because obviously you haven't seen many fights if you have not seen that, because it happens all the time...i said good game because i was right...that's all but thanks
cmzuppe 1 year ago
Really? It happens all the time?
Find me a single fight.
One single fight and ill believe you
Curatalo506 1 year ago 2
Kick to the face. simple and effective....
JimmyPtheman 1 year ago
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Curatalo506 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 elbows bitch
curbotize 1 year ago
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Curatalo506 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 anderson silva knocked someone out from the guard, with a kick.
quinny2cool 1 year ago
@quinny2cool I ment with a punch...and the answer is never
Curatalo506 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 well it doesent change the fact that you can knock someone out from your back.
quinny2cool 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 Santiago vs Khalidov
Gromi00 1 year ago
@Gromi00 Im talking with hands.
Curatalo506 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 Yeah Mamed knock out Santiago with right hand. See this fight on youtube.
Gromi00 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 I guess you haven't heard of the "up kick"
702decatur 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 : Actually, a Russian fighter KOed a guy while being mounted with a left hook to the temple. To mey knowledge, that's the only time it's ever happened.
SpartansQuest 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 Fitch vs Alves
MMAMickey 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 Anderson Silva did it..
freep2050 1 year ago
@freep2050 Thank you for not reading any of my other posts or the post I was responding to...
Curatalo506 1 year ago
@Curatalo506
anderson silva vs yushin okami ;)
cwuarre 1 year ago
@Curatalo506 the one guy tried to dive into someones guard in a Pride match....and the guy on the ground put his foot up and kicked him in the face, KO.
LowLeveledPower 1 year ago
@LowLeveledPower ...Please read the rest of the comments..We were talking about a left hook from the back.
Curatalo506 11 months ago
@Curatalo506 i dont care about the other comments, you specifically asked when someone knocked someone else out while on their back, and WENT ON to say it NEVER happened...
LowLeveledPower 11 months ago
@Curatalo506 a couple of weeks ago. anderson silva!
nicodlr 11 months ago
@Curatalo506 @Curatalo506 Polish-Chechen MMA fighter - Mamed Khalidov knocked out Jorge Santiago with a hammer fist from his back!! ;) it was at SENGOKU 11 /watch?v=k4C2YACtxkA ;)
gorentati 9 months ago
@gorentati I know, I saw it..If you read the whole convo, we were talking from guard..
Curatalo506 9 months ago
@Curatalo506 Even in the closed guard it's hard to get a decent punch off, some of these fools have no idea what they're talking about
np494609 9 months ago
@Curatalo506 LMAO. I think yushin okami would disagree.
Pettyh 9 months ago
@Curatalo506 James Toney vs Randy Coture
blaaket123 8 months ago
@Curatalo506 Actually, I've seen it not only from the back but from being mounted. It's in an MMA match somewhere here on youtube.
MrMZaccone 8 months ago
@Curatalo506 Anderson Silva vs. Yushin Okami. You and 7 other people are just weekend warriors.
legendof 8 months ago
@cmzuppe
theres no space for a left hook. his elbow is blocked by the floor and his fist is about an inch away from his face. the best thing would be eye gouge...but i would advise against it for various reasons.
basically, there is absolutely no space for the punch to hurt at all.
TerminatorFanGame 1 year ago
[EDIT]......
actually, i believe it IS possible to hurt them a little bit....just not enough to do anything. i would rather save my energy and time and try working on escapes or reversals instead.
TerminatorFanGame 1 year ago
Hey i love you Dudes, but ya gotta get better stand up, i respct the art but its no Secret anymore, and Strong Jujitsu and jujitsu Defence, MUST be added to your Stand up to make you a Totally Complete.
dawadah67 1 year ago
it works better when you have both hands on throat drive foraward and hip thrust with posture throwing a punch then when you get both hands under the legs don't reach for the shoulder but place your palm flat next to his left hip and just all the way around on the other side to side mount ( old machado tec)
1lostinspace 2 years ago
Beginner question here:
Do you not put yourself at risk for a triangle choke when you drop your head between their legs like that?
I'm just learning so I apologize if it's a totally noobish question :P
Virility 2 years ago 2
nah. both arms are outside the legs.
thunderbaloney 2 years ago
Yeah,but what are the odds of the person knowing how to pull a triangle lol?
yeee941 2 years ago
you have to have an arm in for the triangle so no there wouldnt be a risk, and if there was a risk of it the gracies wouldnt chance it, they would have a different technique
JMoore4291 1 year ago
also, it's pretty hard for him to put pressure if you're stacking him as quickly as that guy does, not enough leverage.
bloeregard 2 years ago
no, his arm is under his leg, for a triangle you need an arm inbetween the legs with your head, he's in no danger of a serious triangle.
Gunskie 2 years ago
that's true...if you don't keep your arm under the leg you could risk a triangle from the guy in guard
flashtrading 1 year ago
You dont really put yourself in any traingle postion.. If he has some knowledge he might try to choke you out with his legs but that can be real easy to pass.. just place one of your legs over he body and u can pass it
pkedushun 2 years ago
not many people in the street pull guard so i dont see the point in calling it streetfight guard pass. Guard pass is essential to learn, but in the street they generally are extrememly easy to pass.
Etaks89 2 years ago
Not really dude,There are some good BJJ guys at my school who will break your posture,and could keep you in guard all day,the key to a guard pass isnt smashing or thrashing (Thats the key to getting armbarred in the street) But its actually possturing,and keeping tight to them. But Now,just because you step off the mat doesnt meen your guard is less powerfull when punches are involved.
yeee941 2 years ago
nah thats not what i meant haha... I just meant the average joe in the street is not likely to have any BJJ, so strong guard passes, and advanced ones, are mostly used on the mat. In my experience random people on the street dont even know how to pull guard let alone know how to defend passes. I get what your saying, but its kind of irrelevant to what i was trying to say but failed to communicate i guess. But yeah, I train gi almost everyday with a guy who trained with the gracies for 9 years
Etaks89 2 years ago
So i know what you mean when you say that punches don't make a good guard game irrelevant.
Etaks89 2 years ago
this is gay
BhigKingWolf 2 years ago
I already did, and it shows nothing of what you speak about. I provided you with a link that proves my point. If you wish to convince me do so by showing me proof. Because so far you have provided none.
myksgrl 2 years ago
@ 1:11 is risky against a trained opponent. Im nervous keeping my arms fully extended in a grappling match.
Efferts 2 years ago
lol me too. But truthfully a streetfighting bum which is what this video is designed for wont have the biomechanical skills to armbar you. On the off they do i'm pretty sure they wont do it fast enough to catch a six-month white belt so just stack the hell outta him and pass. If it was me i'd arm triangle him til he sleeps or if i can isolate both arms one w/ my legs one w/ arm and elbow with my free arm til he cries like a bitch (: but the finish is truely up to you, you are the practicioner.
bjjartist 2 years ago
lol you think that too?!
I debate to myself whether an amateur fighter would know a basic armbar move. It's likely me just being the critic. When we've done this long enough, we become so aware.
I could be thinking too hard.
Efferts 2 years ago
YOUR KEMPO KARATE, TAE KWON DO CRAP HAS PROVEN TO BE A JOKE AND A SCAM TO THE WORLD AS FOR WHAT IT SAYS IT CAN HELP YOU WITH IN A FIGHT SITUATION. WHEN JIU-JITSU ENTERED THE RING TO PROVE IT WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE ART IN THE ART IT ALSO EVOLVED THE ART OF FIGHTING THAT WAS AT A STAND STILL FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. TO BE A COMPLETE FIGHTER YOU NEED JIU JITSU BOTTOM LINE. HERE IS A TRUE FACT "90% OF FIGHT END UP ON THE GROUND" (Bakari Akil II, Ph.D.)
myksgrl 2 years ago
you bitch about people talking smack about your art, but its ok for you to do it? lol how lovely, you really need to take a pill. and my training has saved my butt more than once. funny you guys always talk about the ring, that means sport to me. i want to see some self defense, not tournament stuff. how many times do i have to say it? that is far from being a fact, according to most police statistics. even if it was...100% of them start standing up.
kempobrad 2 years ago
Yes I will talk smack about your art because you decided to make a false foolish comment, and now your saying your art has saved you more than once?I'll bet thats a lie as well you mention police, Police officers and military train jiujitsu for control purposes and SELF DEFENSE not KEMPO . and who says anything about a tournament I'm talking a fight in the street or the ring actually the people that fight in the ring are even more dangerous than the street and most train jiujitsu
myksgrl 2 years ago
i don't care if you believe me or not. where do you get that im saying jiujitsu sucks? i really dont understand that. and the military studies and trains alot more than just jiujitsu, in fact on the gracie's own website they say the army combatives program won't even get you a blue belt. the army also studies kempo, taekwondo, muay thai, fma, jkd and many others. and most of them will teach that you dont want to be on the ground in self defense. if it happens you need to know it.
kempobrad 2 years ago