I must say though, why show up at the gates of an opperational navy base and protest? War or no war its not going to shut down for you. LOL Your movement should be in DC. Not where the people go to work that they signed up for. I'd imagine ya'll have regular day jobs? Ive seen this group walking by Oceana for a week straight one time......and I know that one dude doesnt have a stable job.
There are marches, etc. in DC, ongoing. Staging something near a navy base brings the issue a little more to the forefront of people's minds: How do we create a better world? Through swords or through ploughshares?
Why the heck would we disarm???? And why would we roll over for the enemy??? Get real dude. we are not goin to be peace makers for others when theres people who dont care if we live to see tomarrow. Piss off and get real. Go hug a tree.
We create our own reality with our thoughts, words and deeds. So reality is what you make it. If you want to live on a peaceful planet, then start thinking thoughts of love and unity, forgiveness and oneness. If you want to stay stuck on Terror Planet, then keep thinking fear, hatred and cynicism. Our lives are shaped by our minds.
Fear informs your thinking I see. Fear of the other. Fear begins the downward path to violence and hatred. This is based on the inability to see that we are all one, so instead we fear another part of ourselves, possibly launching a preemptive strike to assuage our fantasy of annihilation. But this is the right hand attacking the left hand, so that the whole body suffers. It is profound folly and now we have a world awash with weapons and war and endless suffering for millions.
Not "fear" (yeah I remember Master Yoda's words too about it being the path to the Dark Side) but "prudence".
If fear and a "fantasy of annihilation" really did drive US defense policies, then don't you think we would have launched THE First Strike against the Soviets during the height of the Cold War?
You "see" Iraq and "perceive" what went on as a "preemptive strike" driven by some "panicked response"...In reality that is so far from the truth. Think...again.
We didn't believe in "preemptive strikes" in the Cold War. That is the Bush/Cheney legacy, attacking another country based on subjective judgments that they are a dire threat instead of any actual hostility. Attacking Iraq, which I hadn't actually mentioned, was officially a "preemptive strike" against "mushroom clouds" on the horizon, almost any day you would think to hear Rice and Cheney fear-monger, while in reality it was an Imperial war looking for an excuse to happen.
"Disarm Now"? Without an "Armed" Forces you/we wouldn't be celebrating an Independence Day in a week.
"...Jesus...more powerful than war..."? As Prince of Peace, He is also the Supreme Leader of the Armies of Heaven, with St. Michael the Archangel as head General. See even God's "packing heat".
"Norfolk 'Catholic' Worker" is an embarrassment to us Catholics working honorably in the militaries.
To believe what you believe, you have to hold that there is an "enemy", an "other", a "Devil" to always be afraid off. However, I believe that there is nothing that it is not God, and to make war on anyone is to reject God in that individual or people or nation. War solves nothing because it just perpetuates an endless cycle of suffering and hatred. Your enemy is just you looking back in a mirror at you with hatred. Begin to change your perspective if you want a world of peace.
If you align yourselves w/ those who claim to be "Catholic" then you'd necessarily have to accept the belief in the very real Devil. Whom else would we have to reject in our Baptism; from whose influence would have Jesus had to redeem us from? If you've dismissed The Fallen One as a "Scary Idea" then your alliance with the NCW is one of convenience & a lie. This world will never be at peace until the Prince of Peace comes again Himself to transform it. Until then, we fight evil while we live.
But this was not a Catholic event, but an interfaith and inclusive to all event. I accept Buddhist principles. In Buddhism the Devil is ignorance, not an entity, although even Buddhist mythology anthropomorphizes it into demons and negative gods, but they are metaphors. Our life is shaped by our minds and suffering follows an evil thought like a cart follows an ox. If you would fight evil in the world, fight evil thoughts in your mind.
So it's like I said, "a marriage of convenience." Word of advice, maybe it'll help your Dharma ot something, "Catholic objections to Unjust War are driven by principles very different from the Passivism espoused by those of Buddha's adherents." I'd suggest you/your pals stop listing "Our Lord" in the same placard as "Your Guide" as if they were Directors of same the Board...
You can call it what you want but the common vision of those who marched is a world at peace. That is not so much a "marriage of convenience" as a statement of unity of purpose.
Catholics such as St. Francis of Assisi actually approach Buddhist thinking. Catholic thinking on war and peace is not confined to one doctrine. St. Francis said let us be an instrument of your peace and sow harmony where there is discord, the idea being to prevent conflict, not decide which war is a good war.
I must say though, why show up at the gates of an opperational navy base and protest? War or no war its not going to shut down for you. LOL Your movement should be in DC. Not where the people go to work that they signed up for. I'd imagine ya'll have regular day jobs? Ive seen this group walking by Oceana for a week straight one time......and I know that one dude doesnt have a stable job.
ktm511 2 years ago
There are marches, etc. in DC, ongoing. Staging something near a navy base brings the issue a little more to the forefront of people's minds: How do we create a better world? Through swords or through ploughshares?
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
Why the heck would we disarm???? And why would we roll over for the enemy??? Get real dude. we are not goin to be peace makers for others when theres people who dont care if we live to see tomarrow. Piss off and get real. Go hug a tree.
ktm511 2 years ago
We create our own reality with our thoughts, words and deeds. So reality is what you make it. If you want to live on a peaceful planet, then start thinking thoughts of love and unity, forgiveness and oneness. If you want to stay stuck on Terror Planet, then keep thinking fear, hatred and cynicism. Our lives are shaped by our minds.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
Fear informs your thinking I see. Fear of the other. Fear begins the downward path to violence and hatred. This is based on the inability to see that we are all one, so instead we fear another part of ourselves, possibly launching a preemptive strike to assuage our fantasy of annihilation. But this is the right hand attacking the left hand, so that the whole body suffers. It is profound folly and now we have a world awash with weapons and war and endless suffering for millions.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
Not "fear" (yeah I remember Master Yoda's words too about it being the path to the Dark Side) but "prudence".
If fear and a "fantasy of annihilation" really did drive US defense policies, then don't you think we would have launched THE First Strike against the Soviets during the height of the Cold War?
You "see" Iraq and "perceive" what went on as a "preemptive strike" driven by some "panicked response"...In reality that is so far from the truth. Think...again.
RingSight91 2 years ago
We didn't believe in "preemptive strikes" in the Cold War. That is the Bush/Cheney legacy, attacking another country based on subjective judgments that they are a dire threat instead of any actual hostility. Attacking Iraq, which I hadn't actually mentioned, was officially a "preemptive strike" against "mushroom clouds" on the horizon, almost any day you would think to hear Rice and Cheney fear-monger, while in reality it was an Imperial war looking for an excuse to happen.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
"Disarm Now"? Without an "Armed" Forces you/we wouldn't be celebrating an Independence Day in a week.
"...Jesus...more powerful than war..."? As Prince of Peace, He is also the Supreme Leader of the Armies of Heaven, with St. Michael the Archangel as head General. See even God's "packing heat".
"Norfolk 'Catholic' Worker" is an embarrassment to us Catholics working honorably in the militaries.
"Walk" off the end of a pier, why don't you all!
RingSight91 2 years ago
To believe what you believe, you have to hold that there is an "enemy", an "other", a "Devil" to always be afraid off. However, I believe that there is nothing that it is not God, and to make war on anyone is to reject God in that individual or people or nation. War solves nothing because it just perpetuates an endless cycle of suffering and hatred. Your enemy is just you looking back in a mirror at you with hatred. Begin to change your perspective if you want a world of peace.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
If you align yourselves w/ those who claim to be "Catholic" then you'd necessarily have to accept the belief in the very real Devil. Whom else would we have to reject in our Baptism; from whose influence would have Jesus had to redeem us from? If you've dismissed The Fallen One as a "Scary Idea" then your alliance with the NCW is one of convenience & a lie. This world will never be at peace until the Prince of Peace comes again Himself to transform it. Until then, we fight evil while we live.
RingSight91 2 years ago
But this was not a Catholic event, but an interfaith and inclusive to all event. I accept Buddhist principles. In Buddhism the Devil is ignorance, not an entity, although even Buddhist mythology anthropomorphizes it into demons and negative gods, but they are metaphors. Our life is shaped by our minds and suffering follows an evil thought like a cart follows an ox. If you would fight evil in the world, fight evil thoughts in your mind.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago
So it's like I said, "a marriage of convenience." Word of advice, maybe it'll help your Dharma ot something, "Catholic objections to Unjust War are driven by principles very different from the Passivism espoused by those of Buddha's adherents." I'd suggest you/your pals stop listing "Our Lord" in the same placard as "Your Guide" as if they were Directors of same the Board...
RingSight91 2 years ago
You can call it what you want but the common vision of those who marched is a world at peace. That is not so much a "marriage of convenience" as a statement of unity of purpose.
Catholics such as St. Francis of Assisi actually approach Buddhist thinking. Catholic thinking on war and peace is not confined to one doctrine. St. Francis said let us be an instrument of your peace and sow harmony where there is discord, the idea being to prevent conflict, not decide which war is a good war.
MosquitoMac 2 years ago