im sorry but matt smith to me seems a very wooden type of actor when he tries anything dark, i mean the amount of time's you see matt smith almost cower every time he tries anything mean or god-like or he just turns plain silly in his actions in a very serious scene, he's not an actor i would like playing someone as emotionally diverse as the doctor and also the doctor was a genius but he was never as rude about as matt smith is, he just comes off as arogant when the doctor we know is the hero
@StickyCharmander Well /get/ used to it. He is, and he's amazing. This is a show where one of the main plot points IS the actor changing quite often. You knew that going in. Don't like it, don't watch.
@StickyCharmander the thing about what you've said there is, Tennant wasn't removed by the BBC nor did ( I hear anyway) anyone complain about him, the only reason he went, is because he said "Someone else should have a go now" which I think was quite nice of him :P
@jamesxkxklass3 sorry,didn't write that,someone else on my account,agree with you though,it was nice of him,better to be missed than overstay your welcome.
@michio2013 The Doctor has always had that coldness running under his surface & it does bubble to the surface, the 7th Doctor (Times Champion) is the epitome of that, and his 'dark design,' does eventually lead to the Valeyard/Grand Father Paradox - which is probably 10.5
@woolwichlad The Valeyard is stated to be the Doctor at some point between his 12th and 13th regenerations, so presuming he is still canon, we won't see him for a while.
@ConotWrigley He won't *BE* him for a while. That's not exactly the same thing. Especially since the 'someone' who orchestrated the 'big bang' knew how to 'jack the T.A.R.D.I.S. controls...
@michio2013 mm, each to their own I guess, but I definitely think Smith has very real darkness. His Colonel Run-Away speech had just a touch of sadism. Also, his ability to turn armies at the sound of his name, like at Demon's Run and the Pandorica, was, like River said, something the Doctor never meant to be. But I thought the bit where he was darkest, so far, was in "The Girl Who Waited." Make Rory choose between two Amys, give them false hope, then leave one to die and laugh it off? *shiver*
@PhoenixWormwood137 I agree. Also, remember The Doctor is "supposed" to have something of a dark edge to him. Way back in The Trial Of A Time Lord, The Valeyard is supposed to be the manifestation of everything dark and/or possibly evil about The Doctor who comes somewhere between The Doctor's 12th incarnation and his 13th and final incarnation somehow. I don't know what Steven Moffat got planned for the franchise but it's gonna be big. Personally I want him to bring The Master or The Rani back.
@sandmanzcommin08 Yeah! Oh my goodness, I'm looking forward to seeing who the Valeyard is. The Doctor's had so many duplicates... and it's the best kind of scary when they seem to turn evil, like Eleven's ganger, when he started pretending to go wrong. I'm thinking the Valeyard's gonna be something like that. idk.
And YES! I'd LOVE the Master to make another appearance :D he was SO awesome. And I wonder if he'd still have those drums, now that the White Point Star's link was broken?
@PhoenixWormwood137 Oh fuck the drums! God, was that stupid! I'm sorry, I haven't gotten over Russel T. Davies destroying The Doctor's greatest enemy yet. So they take The Master, an intimidating, ruthless yet classy sociopath who's intellect has surpassed The Doctor's on more than one occasion...and turn him into this over-the-top excuse of a joke. To make matters worse, they turn him into this sad, tragic hero who was a pawn of the Time Lords and sacrifices his life to save The Doctor....WHAT?
@sandmanzcommin08 Language.....! But I agree... gah. The End of Time Part One was... was... ugh. I really liked him in "The Sound of Drums". But I have to agree with you - but wouldn't it be a good character study if he came back without the drums and was still evil and crazy and all the Master stuff? I'd like it to be proved that he's not just a victim of the drums, that other things drove him crazy, too. Because there were other things.
@PhoenixWormwood137 I was so fucking mad wen I saw John Simm's performance. In Utopia, when YANA gets his memory back, I wanted HIM to play The Master throughout the rest of the 3-parter. I liked Derek Jacobi's introduction, it was like a callback to the original actors who played him. He was murderous, arrogant and psychotic but he was also regal and well-educated, I wish I could've seen more of him.
@sandmanzcommin08 In my opinion, the real reason the Master went insane was revealed in the Classic audiobook - I think it was called "Master". And it really had not much to do with the drums.
I actually loved Simm's performance, to tell the truth, and several times, after watching the Sound of Drums, remarked upon what an awesome villain he was. But I have heard a lot of Classic-Who-ers complain about Simm, so who am I to argue? I've only seen New. I gotta check out this old Master.
@PhoenixWormwood137 If they do bring back The Master while Matt Smith's around, I would love to see someone who's the exact polar opposite to the 11th Doctor. Matt Smith is 29 but plays it off as a wise yet eccentric old man perfectly, and I would love to see him clash with an actor who's around his late 40s to late 50s that plays The Master as having the arrogance and will of a young man but was in fact a cold and calculating mastermind. Best actors: Jeremy Irons, Eddie Marsan or Sean Bean.
@sandmanzcommin08 I LOVE that idea! And I'm glad you don't disapprove of the way Smith plays the Doctor, because I think he does an awesome job. An old man with a mind you'd expect to see in some insane young person would be a really good stereotype breaker, as well as a fantastic character. I'd like to see that.
@PhoenixWormwood137 Me too! It would be an old man trapped in a young man's body vs. a young man trapped in an old man's body. We as young people are naturally arrogant and energetic schemers, but there are some who also act so serious that's it creepy, like that creepy son from Human Nature/Family Of Blood. Another example is Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Silly I know, but before he revealed himself as a toon, he was cold, ruthless, arrogant, efficient and fucking frightening!
@PhoenixWormwood137 As for Matt Smith...I friggin' love the guy! Anyone who has a problem with Matt Smith aren't true Doctor Who fans, there David Tennant fans. I also like Tom Baker and Paul McGann but Smith will always be my 1st Doctor. Since Smith WILL be in Series 7 and The Silence is still around, imagine if The Master comes back and takes control of The Silence like Madame Kovorian did! Plus, there was that old voice that said "Silence Will Fall" in the Series 5 Finale. Hmm...could it be?
I think the problem that people have with Smith is that he's a very violent doctor. The whole thing that occurred over the span of Tennant was that he was giving a message of peace to himself.
Granted, this, while breaking everything Tennant's doctor worked for, is really badass for the same reason. Remember in Demon's Run, when he blew up the Cybermen fleet? Tennant would never do that to the guys, but Smith would. He's good for the same reason he's not.
@AnonymousJustified I think Tennant's Doctor would have done that if the cybermen knew where Rose was, I can't see him doing it for anyone other than her though
@sandmanzcommin08 I wouldn't like the Master to come back (don't get me wrong I love the master, If I become... I mean when I become evil dictator... I mean Lord and Master of the world, I'll be singing siscor sisters all night long baby!) because he'd turn into the Daleks, okay they're big and scary, but the doctor really has taken that away from him because he has defeated them so much, and If that happened to the Master it would be a real shame... Maybe in another series
When you live for nine hundred years, then you lose everything and think you could do nothing to help those in pain. To be given the power to save those people must have been great, but to see one of the people he saved kill herself must have been heart-breaking. This song is a metaphor for all those people the doctor couldn't save.
@JEDrummer100 You're wrong! (no-offence) but technically he damned her, he knew it was a fixed point in time and then he went all crazy, and I love that scene Tennant is so good at acting, but he had already told her about the fixed point in time and then he changed it, and then she thought you can't do that, and killed herself to stop time from collapsing, well she did it for her grand-daughter but I imagine time would collapse if she didn't, (sorry if that seems a bit troll-ey!)
Why exactly is the Time Lord victorious bad? Just because he would've stopped playing by the rules would not make him evil, or some kind of tyrant. With more power, and less inhibition he could do so much more.
@Drayakir Think of it this way. Someone a thousand years ago had a son, and that son went on to create more sons until it branched all the way down to you and all of your near and distant relatives. Hundreds of people. But if the Doctor thought that it would be better served that that man had died all those years ago, you nor any of your relatives would be alive. It's not so much as being a tyrant as it is making things the way the weren't supposed to happen.
... It has that dark edge to it, but it also has a strain of regret. Not quite sure if I interpret it as the Doctor's after Adelaide kills herself, or more of a disembodied sense of regret as we see the Doctor starting to lose control when he insists on saving her and her crew. I just know, when Adelaide protested with being saved and the Doctor responded with a stone-faced, "Tough," it gave me chills.
@BriannaBanana1 I agree. Tennant was my favorite/second favorite Doctor- tied with Smith, with Eccleston and Davison tied just behind them- and this was one of his best episodes. From the manic energy so disturbingly like his usual self, to the quietly threatening intensity talking to Adelaide, to the utter 'ho shit what did I just do' near breakdown afterward...wow.
I just love this piece. It's so darkly haunting and evocative of the Doctor's darker side. The whole piece makes me reflect on the idea that the Doctor has so much power, and what if he wasn't able to keep himself in check? What damage could he really do with that power? ...
This was terribly sad. :( He knew he had to let them all die that day, but he couldn't. After talking and getting to know them on a personal level, he just had to save them.
After all this time...he realized...he was wrong...Time Lord he may be...smart and a hero...but wrong...he made a mistake which changed history...caused the cracks in time...greed got to his honest hearts...
@beautifulpassion I didn't miss the point, I know that he was wrong and that in a way he died because of it. But at the time, as I was watching it, I enjoyed seeing him finally go a little off the deep end after being so patient with all the humans. I loved his dark side. Just my opinion though.
@narwhal17 Haha, wow, didn't expect that. Okay. Um. Gonna try not to go off on a TOTAL tangent.
I do understand liking seeing the Doctor's more dark side; believe it or not, I do. One of my favorite moments is in Family of Blood, when he got his revenge. But there's a difference between that, which is The Oncoming Storm, and what happened to him in The Waters of Mars. He didn't loose his patience with humans. /He lost his grip on everything that made him HIM./ He slipped not into impatience
@narwhal17 But into /insanity/. He /snapped/, between the fear of his own death and the things that had happened to him. Did you notice any similarity, for example, between his last few minutes and oh, say, /the behavior of the Master?/ Yeah. THAT is what happens when a Time Lord goes 'boing', and it doesn't take the drums alone to do it. He was going to make /all of time and space/ his bitch, and that is NOT okay. As the expedition lady he saved said herself- /no one/
@narwhal17 should have that kind of power. And he himself said 'I make the rules now, and no one can stop me', essentially. Which would SCREW a lot of people, and probably fuck up time pretty bad, too. But at that point, he didn't care. He didn't care about saving people, or helping people; he did it because he COULD, because he wanted to give fate and time itself a great big UP YOURS and you can't /do/ that. The rules are there for a reason. The look on his face after she killed herself wasn't
@beautifulpassion Well, I can see your point now that you put it that way. I had never thought of it as insanity really but now I can. I still rather enjoyed the whole scene, and his reaction when she shot herself- not because I think he's right, but because I suppose I'm somewhat of a sadist...
Just watched these five episodes for the first time on TV.... Oh goodness I'm so full of different emotions. Strong sensation of grief of saying goodbye to the Doctor, yet incredible joy of saying hello to him again. This is what Doctor Who is all about. Hellos and Goodbyes.
@MegumiGoose Hey, that happened to me. I watched all of season five thinking "Huh, I guess Ten just left, wish they'd given some sort of explanation... oh well." Then I was informed of these, and watching them was exactly as you describe. I was hysterical with grief by the end of The End of Time part two. D:
@igoteggigotchicken11 At the end of the Waters of Mars, The Tenth Doctor breaks the laws of time and changes a fixed point in time (or tries to). He basically decided that he could do whatever he wanted since he had, alone, won the Time War. It was also this event that made him realize he had to die
@igoteggigotchicken11 There isn't a literal "Dark Doctor", it's just a side of him you see sometimes. It's especially prevalent with the Eleventh Doctor. Now there is a literal evil version of the Doctor called the Valeyard, but he's in the Classic series and only has one or two poorly written episodes.
@igoteggigotchicken11 the dark doctor is the valeyard a character from the 6th doctor's time and is said to be the evil side of the doctor and he shows up between his 12th and final regenerations and it would seem that 9th's temper, the time victorious, and the dream lord are all foreshadowing for the valeyard's coming.
Season 23, the Dark Doctor, is referred to as the Valeyard, an amalgam of the Doctor's 'Dark Design,' created by Gallifrey's Celestial Intervention Agency. He also becomes 'Grand Father Paradox,' during the Second Great Time War.
However the Doctor's 7th Incarnation is much Darker & Machiavellian ( The Times Champion), manipulating people (particularly Ace) & events for his own needs. It is possible he is preparing the multivrse, from the fall out of the Second & Last Great Time Wars
It was Adelaide's fault that she brought that terrible terrible side out of him, and he can't help but know everything about the universe. I really hated Adelaide Brook, she annoyed me. the Doctor went through all that effort to try to save her, even going against his previous beliefs, only for her to kill herself. I understand she was trying to keep history intact, but if she hadn't instigated in the first place, she wouldn't have had to die by her own hands. She should have died on Mars.
I don't think BBC will end the doctors life and their profits just for a plot point which can easily be avoided somehow, idk... The master comes back and resurrects the doctor using an improved version of Racillons(wrongly spelt) glove ?
I think that the Doctor realized that acting the way he did, like he was invincible, was pretty much what got him killed. That's most likely one reason why the Eleventh Doctor is always calm, and basically just wants to die, because he sees that people are getting hurt because of him, and he can't always be there to save them.
@959chris you know i thought the same thing, i was telling my friends and they were like "what?" and i was like "6th doctor, heres the dvd, go watch" lol.
@AccidentallyOPurpose you have the dvd, lucky, i only know about the valeyard because i saw a clip on youtube of the trial- i do have the first few episodes on dvd though, as well as some of the davros episodes
@959chris have you seen that episode in season 5 where they(the doctor-amy-n rory have to decide between the tardis or an old village w/ senior citizen/aliens;which one is real n the other a dream?! the dream lord or the doctors dark side. ne way the dreamlord seemed very much like the valeyard
It seems that he has fallen and is currently in denial of it. So far his reign is benefiting us, but how soon until this changes? I have a feeling that Moff will walk us through a path that will eventually lead us to be on the side of those who created River Song. Where the Doctor is the enemy and we must destroy him to save ourselves. Which is why he walked so willingly to his death.
The Time Lord Victorious is something to be feared. For it is one of the most powerful beings in the universe removing itself as a cog from the machine of time, and becoming it's director. It is a person saying that he is God, and having the power to carry out his will and project it across the timeline.
It is the difference between a guardian and a commander. It is something of which to be terrified. For if the one who protects us becomes are enemy, who will be able to save us?
The end of that episode was something truly spectacular. I was very disappointed they didn't explore that plot line into the end of time. In fact they seemed to pretty much forget about it :(
i have never enjoyed doctor who more than in these 4 episodes. These episodes were the very best of all of doctor who through out all 11 doctors. We'd never seen the doctor so dark before, tennat captured the dark doctors image so perfectly. we will never have another david tennat. not saying matt smith is bad but seriously, Tennat will always be the pinnacle of doctor who.
This piece of music is wonderful and eery at the same time, I can almost sense Zagreus in this energy as well (from the audio play) Murray Gold has some of the most amazing music going for causing you to cry etc
maybe it will end with a split, maybe he will regenerate into to separate forces who have to cancel the other out...well i doubt it, but it sounded cool.
This Dark Doctor seems to be the beginning of him being feared, hence why most aliens united to lock him in the Pandorica. It also explains why they stole the Amy's baby, so they can get rid of the fear. River said it herself; if he doesn't change, what will he become? It began with David Tennant, spans right Matt Smith so far - but where will it end?
@TheFpsNinja Never heard of him before, but being me, I spent about three hours on the Doctor Who wiki getting sidetracked by related atticles, but eventually got back to him. I keep saying I'll buy and watch the classic serieses but never get round to it
THEY ALL DIED, YOU KNOW WHO THAT LEAVES? ME!! AND THE LAWS OF TIME WILL OBEY ME!!
The day the kindest man becomes arrogant and overwhelmed he will lay a shadow on every planet in the universe and the planets will fear his shadow as they used to worship it
That dark doctor, that edge of arrogance and confidence, fed into the 11th doctor's new personailty. Number 11 is almost recklessly overconfident, but that's what makes him the ultimate hero. Never in history has there been a genius who wasn't slightly mad at the same time. It gives an edge, certainly to Matt Smith when he gave his "I Am The Doctor" speech, sporting a bow tie at the same time. It takes courage, confidence and madness to call an alien back to Earth.
The music strings his actions.His life was painful he lost all his friends and was about to leave people to die. His actions are guided through the discipline of the Time Lords.Yet when he's there staring into the fires of the burning base his life flashed before his eyes such a good man obeying the rules no matter how desperate the situation got. But then he realized the time lords are gone,only he survived, and through that sudden realization he became arrogant and nearly turned into a monster
@anangrygoldfish No that was the silence on earth. if you heard in seris 5 everyone was scared of them, every species. plus the silence is the biggest ever story ark in doctor who apart from maybe bad wolf but thats kind of weird. they wouldn't tell you the answer the that in one episode.
The Silence was the biggest ever story arc in Doctor Who? Really now... It was under my impression that the season three finale with The Master had 3 episodes instead of just the two from The Silence. And even more if you consider that in order to understand the human time lord transformation you had to watch the 2 episode about The Family. That's 5 in total. Two episode story arcs come along quite often actually
@Lingonberry99 No I mean in the modern Doctor who it's been active for two seris while most are for 1. thats all. but river song you could count from seris 4 to seris 6. I don't mean the like final episode plot I mean like the main seris story ark because seris 1 is bad wolf, seris 2 is torchwood, seris 3 the master which carries on over to the end of time. If i meant in like consecutive episodes then yes your right, but i meant when moffat drops little clues in and stuff.
I think that the Dark Doctor is probably behind the cracks in the universe. Think about it, ever since Waters of Mars, the show has been focusing on his dark side. Hell, the entire new series has been
I think it was a bit strange that as soon as the doctor broke one of the ancient laws of time that he knew his death was going to come. But I think its true though that sometimes a regeneration can live too long and that a Time Lord living too long will ensure there corruption. Because even though it took war for it to show Rassilon was indeed corrupt.
anyone who watches the old dr.who eps nows that a dark version of the doctor rises between his twelth to thirtenth regeneration so the vale yard will rise soon and if u look in matts eps there is A LOT of evidence to support it for example the big bang two and the dream lord and the valeyard and so on...
@CatastrophiCassidy the master was insane, he wasn't corrupted by power, he simply was insane (the drumbeats in his head only made things worse for him)...what he really wanted was to get back at those that wronged him and that desire alone turned into obsession that ultimatly brought his downfall
When time lords turn 8 years old, they are taken to a place on Gallifrey, where they look straight into the time vortex. They all either hate it and turn evil, like the Master, run away, or become inspired.
@Democromentor Well, possibly... It was "inspired, run away, or turn mad". First of all, that's probably more of generalization than and rule. And turning mad doesn't necessarily mean turning evil. Every society has its bad guys, but I don't think they were all made by looking into the Schism. I'm sure that much of the Master's evildoing was his own decision and his own fault: the drumming was there to influence him, but in the end it was he who succumbed.
@ClawSlasher1 well you can see it already in smith, when he tells Amy Tory and river " don't play games with me don't ever think you can" and when he freaked out on the guy in the soccer game. There is an arrogance to 11 which suggests a dark side.
If things were so very bright all the time, we would have nothing but brightness to compare to. As individuals, we define ourselves by the things we are not. This much remains true for the Doctor, who must occasionally be spun off his many axes to be how we all normally know him.
@ClawSlasher1 Personally I love dark doctor in small amounts, because he's not a bad guy, but you see that he does lose control eventually, and how it affects him
@rillera25 Well when you think about it, they did sort of bring up the topic again in 'Amy's Choice', but it was a complete 'Jekyll and Hyde' situation instead of the Doctor himself succumbing to evil.
@bummer6 the waters of mars when he changed a fixed focal point in time and that the rules of time applied to him no more because he is the last of the time lords
It'd be great if David Tennant returned as the Valeyard. After all, we are getting close to the 12th and final regeneration.
LaMortesAbyss 13 hours ago
I love this. So much. This show has some of the best music known to mankind.
HaninatorForthewin 2 weeks ago 10
Which soundtrack is this on? I can't find it on the specials soundtrack...
CellobeanRocks 2 weeks ago
@CellobeanRocks It's on the specials soundtrack. The song is called "Vale" but it's markedly different to what was aired. Probably due to editing.
medusan980 1 week ago 2
i can only remember the look on sarah janes face when she saw the doctor like she knew
0551E80Y 1 month ago
Matt Smith is the coolest Doctor.
Tom Baker is the best Doctor.
David Tennant is the Doctor.
Vale Decem - Farewell ten.
GMMReviews 1 month ago 2
@GMMReviews wrong technically William Hartnell is the Doctor
TheIVGamer 1 month ago
im sorry but matt smith to me seems a very wooden type of actor when he tries anything dark, i mean the amount of time's you see matt smith almost cower every time he tries anything mean or god-like or he just turns plain silly in his actions in a very serious scene, he's not an actor i would like playing someone as emotionally diverse as the doctor and also the doctor was a genius but he was never as rude about as matt smith is, he just comes off as arogant when the doctor we know is the hero
blackfire0x0 1 month ago
1.44 TARDIS noise <3
sugardance100 1 month ago
The dislikes were all...
Never mind.
nliausacmmv 1 month ago 4
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StickyCharmander 2 months ago
@StickyCharmander Well /get/ used to it. He is, and he's amazing. This is a show where one of the main plot points IS the actor changing quite often. You knew that going in. Don't like it, don't watch.
beautifulpassion 1 month ago
@StickyCharmander the thing about what you've said there is, Tennant wasn't removed by the BBC nor did ( I hear anyway) anyone complain about him, the only reason he went, is because he said "Someone else should have a go now" which I think was quite nice of him :P
jamesxkxklass3 2 days ago
@jamesxkxklass3 sorry,didn't write that,someone else on my account,agree with you though,it was nice of him,better to be missed than overstay your welcome.
StickyCharmander 2 days ago
I used to like Tennant more than Smith. After seeing doctor 10 grow so cold and so power hungry and prideful, I defiantly prefer smith.
michio2013 2 months ago
@michio2013 The Doctor has always had that coldness running under his surface & it does bubble to the surface, the 7th Doctor (Times Champion) is the epitome of that, and his 'dark design,' does eventually lead to the Valeyard/Grand Father Paradox - which is probably 10.5
woolwichlad 2 months ago
@woolwichlad The Valeyard is stated to be the Doctor at some point between his 12th and 13th regenerations, so presuming he is still canon, we won't see him for a while.
ConotWrigley 1 month ago
@ConotWrigley He won't *BE* him for a while. That's not exactly the same thing. Especially since the 'someone' who orchestrated the 'big bang' knew how to 'jack the T.A.R.D.I.S. controls...
locarno24 1 month ago
@locarno24 so the timelords are returning once more
Zerocool818 1 month ago
@michio2013 mm, each to their own I guess, but I definitely think Smith has very real darkness. His Colonel Run-Away speech had just a touch of sadism. Also, his ability to turn armies at the sound of his name, like at Demon's Run and the Pandorica, was, like River said, something the Doctor never meant to be. But I thought the bit where he was darkest, so far, was in "The Girl Who Waited." Make Rory choose between two Amys, give them false hope, then leave one to die and laugh it off? *shiver*
PhoenixWormwood137 1 month ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 I agree. Also, remember The Doctor is "supposed" to have something of a dark edge to him. Way back in The Trial Of A Time Lord, The Valeyard is supposed to be the manifestation of everything dark and/or possibly evil about The Doctor who comes somewhere between The Doctor's 12th incarnation and his 13th and final incarnation somehow. I don't know what Steven Moffat got planned for the franchise but it's gonna be big. Personally I want him to bring The Master or The Rani back.
sandmanzcommin08 1 month ago
@sandmanzcommin08 Yeah! Oh my goodness, I'm looking forward to seeing who the Valeyard is. The Doctor's had so many duplicates... and it's the best kind of scary when they seem to turn evil, like Eleven's ganger, when he started pretending to go wrong. I'm thinking the Valeyard's gonna be something like that. idk.
And YES! I'd LOVE the Master to make another appearance :D he was SO awesome. And I wonder if he'd still have those drums, now that the White Point Star's link was broken?
PhoenixWormwood137 1 month ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 Oh fuck the drums! God, was that stupid! I'm sorry, I haven't gotten over Russel T. Davies destroying The Doctor's greatest enemy yet. So they take The Master, an intimidating, ruthless yet classy sociopath who's intellect has surpassed The Doctor's on more than one occasion...and turn him into this over-the-top excuse of a joke. To make matters worse, they turn him into this sad, tragic hero who was a pawn of the Time Lords and sacrifices his life to save The Doctor....WHAT?
sandmanzcommin08 4 weeks ago
@sandmanzcommin08 Language.....! But I agree... gah. The End of Time Part One was... was... ugh. I really liked him in "The Sound of Drums". But I have to agree with you - but wouldn't it be a good character study if he came back without the drums and was still evil and crazy and all the Master stuff? I'd like it to be proved that he's not just a victim of the drums, that other things drove him crazy, too. Because there were other things.
PhoenixWormwood137 4 weeks ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 I was so fucking mad wen I saw John Simm's performance. In Utopia, when YANA gets his memory back, I wanted HIM to play The Master throughout the rest of the 3-parter. I liked Derek Jacobi's introduction, it was like a callback to the original actors who played him. He was murderous, arrogant and psychotic but he was also regal and well-educated, I wish I could've seen more of him.
sandmanzcommin08 4 weeks ago
@sandmanzcommin08 In my opinion, the real reason the Master went insane was revealed in the Classic audiobook - I think it was called "Master". And it really had not much to do with the drums.
I actually loved Simm's performance, to tell the truth, and several times, after watching the Sound of Drums, remarked upon what an awesome villain he was. But I have heard a lot of Classic-Who-ers complain about Simm, so who am I to argue? I've only seen New. I gotta check out this old Master.
PhoenixWormwood137 4 weeks ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 If they do bring back The Master while Matt Smith's around, I would love to see someone who's the exact polar opposite to the 11th Doctor. Matt Smith is 29 but plays it off as a wise yet eccentric old man perfectly, and I would love to see him clash with an actor who's around his late 40s to late 50s that plays The Master as having the arrogance and will of a young man but was in fact a cold and calculating mastermind. Best actors: Jeremy Irons, Eddie Marsan or Sean Bean.
sandmanzcommin08 4 weeks ago
@sandmanzcommin08 I LOVE that idea! And I'm glad you don't disapprove of the way Smith plays the Doctor, because I think he does an awesome job. An old man with a mind you'd expect to see in some insane young person would be a really good stereotype breaker, as well as a fantastic character. I'd like to see that.
PhoenixWormwood137 4 weeks ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 Me too! It would be an old man trapped in a young man's body vs. a young man trapped in an old man's body. We as young people are naturally arrogant and energetic schemers, but there are some who also act so serious that's it creepy, like that creepy son from Human Nature/Family Of Blood. Another example is Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Silly I know, but before he revealed himself as a toon, he was cold, ruthless, arrogant, efficient and fucking frightening!
sandmanzcommin08 4 weeks ago
@sandmanzcommin08 huh. Yeah.
PhoenixWormwood137 4 weeks ago
@PhoenixWormwood137 As for Matt Smith...I friggin' love the guy! Anyone who has a problem with Matt Smith aren't true Doctor Who fans, there David Tennant fans. I also like Tom Baker and Paul McGann but Smith will always be my 1st Doctor. Since Smith WILL be in Series 7 and The Silence is still around, imagine if The Master comes back and takes control of The Silence like Madame Kovorian did! Plus, there was that old voice that said "Silence Will Fall" in the Series 5 Finale. Hmm...could it be?
sandmanzcommin08 4 weeks ago 6
@sandmanzcommin08 That would be so cool! :D Yeah, Matt is really awesome. David is my first Doctor, though, but I really love Matt.
PhoenixWormwood137 3 weeks ago
@PhoenixWormwood137
that´s true
Katka361 2 weeks ago
@sandmanzcommin08
I think the problem that people have with Smith is that he's a very violent doctor. The whole thing that occurred over the span of Tennant was that he was giving a message of peace to himself.
Granted, this, while breaking everything Tennant's doctor worked for, is really badass for the same reason. Remember in Demon's Run, when he blew up the Cybermen fleet? Tennant would never do that to the guys, but Smith would. He's good for the same reason he's not.
AnonymousJustified 3 days ago
@AnonymousJustified I think Tennant's Doctor would have done that if the cybermen knew where Rose was, I can't see him doing it for anyone other than her though
jamesxkxklass3 2 days ago
@sandmanzcommin08 I wouldn't like the Master to come back (don't get me wrong I love the master, If I become... I mean when I become evil dictator... I mean Lord and Master of the world, I'll be singing siscor sisters all night long baby!) because he'd turn into the Daleks, okay they're big and scary, but the doctor really has taken that away from him because he has defeated them so much, and If that happened to the Master it would be a real shame... Maybe in another series
jamesxkxklass3 2 days ago
When you live for nine hundred years, then you lose everything and think you could do nothing to help those in pain. To be given the power to save those people must have been great, but to see one of the people he saved kill herself must have been heart-breaking. This song is a metaphor for all those people the doctor couldn't save.
JEDrummer100 2 months ago
@JEDrummer100 You're wrong! (no-offence) but technically he damned her, he knew it was a fixed point in time and then he went all crazy, and I love that scene Tennant is so good at acting, but he had already told her about the fixed point in time and then he changed it, and then she thought you can't do that, and killed herself to stop time from collapsing, well she did it for her grand-daughter but I imagine time would collapse if she didn't, (sorry if that seems a bit troll-ey!)
jamesxkxklass3 2 days ago
This should play during the 50th anniversary when 11 regenerates :D
TheStarwarssuperfan 2 months ago 2
Why exactly is the Time Lord victorious bad? Just because he would've stopped playing by the rules would not make him evil, or some kind of tyrant. With more power, and less inhibition he could do so much more.
Drayakir 2 months ago
@Drayakir Think of it this way. Someone a thousand years ago had a son, and that son went on to create more sons until it branched all the way down to you and all of your near and distant relatives. Hundreds of people. But if the Doctor thought that it would be better served that that man had died all those years ago, you nor any of your relatives would be alive. It's not so much as being a tyrant as it is making things the way the weren't supposed to happen.
Veleth95 2 months ago 2
@Drayakir
That's what the Master thought.
Tenebrous76 2 months ago
... It has that dark edge to it, but it also has a strain of regret. Not quite sure if I interpret it as the Doctor's after Adelaide kills herself, or more of a disembodied sense of regret as we see the Doctor starting to lose control when he insists on saving her and her crew. I just know, when Adelaide protested with being saved and the Doctor responded with a stone-faced, "Tough," it gave me chills.
BriannaBanana1 2 months ago 4
@BriannaBanana1 I agree. Tennant was my favorite/second favorite Doctor- tied with Smith, with Eccleston and Davison tied just behind them- and this was one of his best episodes. From the manic energy so disturbingly like his usual self, to the quietly threatening intensity talking to Adelaide, to the utter 'ho shit what did I just do' near breakdown afterward...wow.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
I just love this piece. It's so darkly haunting and evocative of the Doctor's darker side. The whole piece makes me reflect on the idea that the Doctor has so much power, and what if he wasn't able to keep himself in check? What damage could he really do with that power? ...
BriannaBanana1 2 months ago 2
very sad
mylestewart 3 months ago
This was terribly sad. :( He knew he had to let them all die that day, but he couldn't. After talking and getting to know them on a personal level, he just had to save them.
SkittlesTheLucario 3 months ago
Forgive my shocking ignorance, but which episode is this from? Is it Waters of Mars, and if so, where can I watch that? Is it on YouTube? THANKS :)
PhoenixWormwood137 3 months ago
After all this time...he realized...he was wrong...Time Lord he may be...smart and a hero...but wrong...he made a mistake which changed history...caused the cracks in time...greed got to his honest hearts...
TheRobloxfighter 3 months ago
@TheRobloxfighter Please stop abusing those poor ellipses.
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
this is awesome!
mickimowse 3 months ago in playlist random Doctor Who music
I know it`s not the right place to ask, but in this episoe, Waters of Mars, what`s the name of a song that played at 48 : 30 ?
AISER1000 3 months ago
They better get murray gold to make all the music for the film...
madman6000 3 months ago 45
@madman6000 ...THERE'S GOING TO BE A FILM!!?!??!!??!!! <333333333
MrDerpbag 1 month ago
@MrDerpbag Yep, matt smith will be the doctor in it aparently, and the guy who made the last harry potter films is directing it, David yates...
madman6000 1 month ago
@madman6000 be still my heart...
MrDerpbag 1 month ago
You know, when he went off on that rant all I could think was: "DAAAAMN RIGHT!" And he was.
narwhal17 3 months ago
@narwhal17 If you're talking about The Waters of Mars, you /really/ missed the point. Because he WASN'T right, and even /he/ realized that.
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@beautifulpassion I didn't miss the point, I know that he was wrong and that in a way he died because of it. But at the time, as I was watching it, I enjoyed seeing him finally go a little off the deep end after being so patient with all the humans. I loved his dark side. Just my opinion though.
narwhal17 3 months ago
@narwhal17 Yeah, you missed the point. By a LOT. In so many, many ways.
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@beautifulpassion Okay, educate me lol. I don't have a very strong opinion on this, you're probably right.
narwhal17 3 months ago
@narwhal17 Haha, wow, didn't expect that. Okay. Um. Gonna try not to go off on a TOTAL tangent.
I do understand liking seeing the Doctor's more dark side; believe it or not, I do. One of my favorite moments is in Family of Blood, when he got his revenge. But there's a difference between that, which is The Oncoming Storm, and what happened to him in The Waters of Mars. He didn't loose his patience with humans. /He lost his grip on everything that made him HIM./ He slipped not into impatience
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@narwhal17 But into /insanity/. He /snapped/, between the fear of his own death and the things that had happened to him. Did you notice any similarity, for example, between his last few minutes and oh, say, /the behavior of the Master?/ Yeah. THAT is what happens when a Time Lord goes 'boing', and it doesn't take the drums alone to do it. He was going to make /all of time and space/ his bitch, and that is NOT okay. As the expedition lady he saved said herself- /no one/
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@narwhal17 should have that kind of power. And he himself said 'I make the rules now, and no one can stop me', essentially. Which would SCREW a lot of people, and probably fuck up time pretty bad, too. But at that point, he didn't care. He didn't care about saving people, or helping people; he did it because he COULD, because he wanted to give fate and time itself a great big UP YOURS and you can't /do/ that. The rules are there for a reason. The look on his face after she killed herself wasn't
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@narwhal17 just 'oh shit, she killed herself anyway', it was 'oh shit, what the hell did I just almost do?!?'
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
@beautifulpassion Well, I can see your point now that you put it that way. I had never thought of it as insanity really but now I can. I still rather enjoyed the whole scene, and his reaction when she shot herself- not because I think he's right, but because I suppose I'm somewhat of a sadist...
narwhal17 3 months ago
@narwhal17 Oh, don't get me wrong; I love that scene, too. It was incredibly powerful and well done. Maybe I'm a bit of a sadist myself. :P
beautifulpassion 3 months ago
"We are not just fighting the flood, we are fighting time itself.. AND IM GONNA WIN!"
*SWOON <3*
WinglessShinobi 3 months ago 4
Just watched these five episodes for the first time on TV.... Oh goodness I'm so full of different emotions. Strong sensation of grief of saying goodbye to the Doctor, yet incredible joy of saying hello to him again. This is what Doctor Who is all about. Hellos and Goodbyes.
MegumiGoose 3 months ago 68
@MegumiGoose Whenever there is a meeting, a parting is sure to follow.
However, that parting need not last forever...
Whether a parting be forever or merely for a short time...that is up to you.
-Happy Mask Salesman.
TheValiantBob 2 months ago
@MegumiGoose Hey, that happened to me. I watched all of season five thinking "Huh, I guess Ten just left, wish they'd given some sort of explanation... oh well." Then I was informed of these, and watching them was exactly as you describe. I was hysterical with grief by the end of The End of Time part two. D:
narwhal17 1 month ago in playlist Doctor Who Character Themes
@MegumiGoose its also what life is about tbh its full of hellos and goodbyes
doomday666 2 weeks ago
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zvfsd 4 months ago
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SamsStation 3 months ago
Just wondering, who is the Dark Doctor and in which season does he appear? I've only seen Doctor Who from the Ninth Doctor to now.
igoteggigotchicken11 4 months ago
@igoteggigotchicken11 At the end of the Waters of Mars, The Tenth Doctor breaks the laws of time and changes a fixed point in time (or tries to). He basically decided that he could do whatever he wanted since he had, alone, won the Time War. It was also this event that made him realize he had to die
Rhewin 4 months ago
@Rhewin Ahh. Thanks. I haven't finished the last 2 episodes of the 10th doctor so I haven't seen that yet.
igoteggigotchicken11 4 months ago
@igoteggigotchicken11 There isn't a literal "Dark Doctor", it's just a side of him you see sometimes. It's especially prevalent with the Eleventh Doctor. Now there is a literal evil version of the Doctor called the Valeyard, but he's in the Classic series and only has one or two poorly written episodes.
TheFpsNinja 3 months ago
@TheFpsNinja Ohh. Thanks for the info.
igoteggigotchicken11 3 months ago
@igoteggigotchicken11 the dark doctor is the valeyard a character from the 6th doctor's time and is said to be the evil side of the doctor and he shows up between his 12th and final regenerations and it would seem that 9th's temper, the time victorious, and the dream lord are all foreshadowing for the valeyard's coming.
bigjavo36 3 months ago
Season 23, the Dark Doctor, is referred to as the Valeyard, an amalgam of the Doctor's 'Dark Design,' created by Gallifrey's Celestial Intervention Agency. He also becomes 'Grand Father Paradox,' during the Second Great Time War.
However the Doctor's 7th Incarnation is much Darker & Machiavellian ( The Times Champion), manipulating people (particularly Ace) & events for his own needs. It is possible he is preparing the multivrse, from the fall out of the Second & Last Great Time Wars
woolwichlad 2 months ago
i swear to you the shiver that ran through me when he said time lord victorious was ungodly!
jesusmusiclover20 4 months ago
It was Adelaide's fault that she brought that terrible terrible side out of him, and he can't help but know everything about the universe. I really hated Adelaide Brook, she annoyed me. the Doctor went through all that effort to try to save her, even going against his previous beliefs, only for her to kill herself. I understand she was trying to keep history intact, but if she hadn't instigated in the first place, she wouldn't have had to die by her own hands. She should have died on Mars.
Kaioshoryuken 4 months ago
they should make an epsidoe in the future where the docotr faces a darker version of himself
dalektaliban 4 months ago
@dalektaliban They already have, twice---with the Valeyard from the Colin Baker years, and most recently with the Dream Lord last year.
CaptDingDong 4 months ago
The Valeyard.
ginnoveffect 4 months ago 2
The Dark Doctor wouldn't last as long as the usual one.
AnaFilipexD 4 months ago
loved how the latest doctor who episode went
JH134 5 months ago
I don't think BBC will end the doctors life and their profits just for a plot point which can easily be avoided somehow, idk... The master comes back and resurrects the doctor using an improved version of Racillons(wrongly spelt) glove ?
harryalexander991 5 months ago
@harryalexander991 tessalect. guessed that once i saw lets kill hitler.
JJtheporcupine 5 months ago
I think that the Doctor realized that acting the way he did, like he was invincible, was pretty much what got him killed. That's most likely one reason why the Eleventh Doctor is always calm, and basically just wants to die, because he sees that people are getting hurt because of him, and he can't always be there to save them.
OMIGHTYGUY 5 months ago
2:22 TARDIS Door
proudy03 5 months ago
the beginnings of the valeyard
959chris 5 months ago 56
@959chris
Ooh, good. Glad to see some of us still watch/know about classic who.
OliveTheBreloom 5 months ago
@OliveTheBreloom they should really do an episode about the doctors grandaughter too
959chris 5 months ago 2
@959chris i really hope they do something about the valeyard when it comes it.
AccidentallyOPurpose 3 months ago
@AccidentallyOPurpose i know, i think that the dream lord might be the valeyard- possibly
959chris 3 months ago 3
@959chris you know i thought the same thing, i was telling my friends and they were like "what?" and i was like "6th doctor, heres the dvd, go watch" lol.
AccidentallyOPurpose 3 months ago
@AccidentallyOPurpose you have the dvd, lucky, i only know about the valeyard because i saw a clip on youtube of the trial- i do have the first few episodes on dvd though, as well as some of the davros episodes
959chris 3 months ago
@959chris if its out on dvd i probably own it lol, theres only a few im missing, slightly obsesed lol.
AccidentallyOPurpose 3 months ago
@959chris have you seen that episode in season 5 where they(the doctor-amy-n rory have to decide between the tardis or an old village w/ senior citizen/aliens;which one is real n the other a dream?! the dream lord or the doctors dark side. ne way the dreamlord seemed very much like the valeyard
themasterlove79 2 months ago
@themasterlove79 Yes I have and i did think that it could have been the Valeyard, i hope it was :)
959chris 2 months ago
It seems that he has fallen and is currently in denial of it. So far his reign is benefiting us, but how soon until this changes? I have a feeling that Moff will walk us through a path that will eventually lead us to be on the side of those who created River Song. Where the Doctor is the enemy and we must destroy him to save ourselves. Which is why he walked so willingly to his death.
kyyakawaii 5 months ago
The Time Lord Victorious is something to be feared. For it is one of the most powerful beings in the universe removing itself as a cog from the machine of time, and becoming it's director. It is a person saying that he is God, and having the power to carry out his will and project it across the timeline.
It is the difference between a guardian and a commander. It is something of which to be terrified. For if the one who protects us becomes are enemy, who will be able to save us?
Voidmaster05 5 months ago in playlist Voidmaster05's Favorited Videos 6
The end of that episode was something truly spectacular. I was very disappointed they didn't explore that plot line into the end of time. In fact they seemed to pretty much forget about it :(
galifreysparrow 5 months ago
i have never enjoyed doctor who more than in these 4 episodes. These episodes were the very best of all of doctor who through out all 11 doctors. We'd never seen the doctor so dark before, tennat captured the dark doctors image so perfectly. we will never have another david tennat. not saying matt smith is bad but seriously, Tennat will always be the pinnacle of doctor who.
MewtwoKurosaki 6 months ago
Excellent episode, but a little terrifying, too. What the Doctor would be if he finally gave in to the power of time travel. -shiver-
tokyopanda13 6 months ago
This piece of music is wonderful and eery at the same time, I can almost sense Zagreus in this energy as well (from the audio play) Murray Gold has some of the most amazing music going for causing you to cry etc
lilmissglentoran 6 months ago
maybe it will end with a split, maybe he will regenerate into to separate forces who have to cancel the other out...well i doubt it, but it sounded cool.
doctorofthe12thkind 6 months ago
This Dark Doctor seems to be the beginning of him being feared, hence why most aliens united to lock him in the Pandorica. It also explains why they stole the Amy's baby, so they can get rid of the fear. River said it herself; if he doesn't change, what will he become? It began with David Tennant, spans right Matt Smith so far - but where will it end?
lja1993 6 months ago
@lja1993 Well, the Valeyard has to appear soon, and he basically is the Doctor turned bad. Perhaps 12?
TheFpsNinja 5 months ago
@TheFpsNinja Never heard of him before, but being me, I spent about three hours on the Doctor Who wiki getting sidetracked by related atticles, but eventually got back to him. I keep saying I'll buy and watch the classic serieses but never get round to it
lja1993 4 months ago
@TheFpsNinja The Valeyard / Dream Lord Appears between the 12th and 13th regerations of The Doctor. So be ready!
Stanford85 4 months ago 2
Technically he was right when he said time listens to me now.. he shouldnt have to obey it
Icetrae93 6 months ago
The Dark Doctor is what makes The Doctor,The Doctor! But he is scary.
100mphsteve 6 months ago 2
Some people may not like Dark Doctor, but he's fucking awesome
MegaUnoriginal 6 months ago
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THEY ALL DIED, YOU KNOW WHO THAT LEAVES? ME!! AND THE LAWS OF TIME WILL OBEY ME!!
The day the kindest man becomes arrogant and overwhelmed he will lay a shadow on every planet in the universe and the planets will fear his shadow as they used to worship it
Jackoooist 6 months ago
That dark doctor, that edge of arrogance and confidence, fed into the 11th doctor's new personailty. Number 11 is almost recklessly overconfident, but that's what makes him the ultimate hero. Never in history has there been a genius who wasn't slightly mad at the same time. It gives an edge, certainly to Matt Smith when he gave his "I Am The Doctor" speech, sporting a bow tie at the same time. It takes courage, confidence and madness to call an alien back to Earth.
TheMessiersAndromeda 6 months ago 60
To those who say the Silence is the biggest arc in Doctor Who ever, the classic series would like a word with you.
aeth0 6 months ago 2
@aeth0 Yeah, honestly, the Daleks have been there since the 1963 episodes.
Temaile 6 months ago
Question: When you start deciding who lives (and in that case, who doesn't) what do you become?
Answer: A monster
I swear... this part scared me, probably because HE WAS SO CALM AND CONTENT!!!! DX
suadela87 7 months ago 3
The music strings his actions.His life was painful he lost all his friends and was about to leave people to die. His actions are guided through the discipline of the Time Lords.Yet when he's there staring into the fires of the burning base his life flashed before his eyes such a good man obeying the rules no matter how desperate the situation got. But then he realized the time lords are gone,only he survived, and through that sudden realization he became arrogant and nearly turned into a monster
Jackoooist 7 months ago
The Doctor has committed mass genocide many, many times. And he's unlikely to stop. I mean, you saw how he killed the Silence.
anangrygoldfish 7 months ago
@anangrygoldfish No that was the silence on earth. if you heard in seris 5 everyone was scared of them, every species. plus the silence is the biggest ever story ark in doctor who apart from maybe bad wolf but thats kind of weird. they wouldn't tell you the answer the that in one episode.
zpwner11 7 months ago
@zpwner11
The Silence was the biggest ever story arc in Doctor Who? Really now... It was under my impression that the season three finale with The Master had 3 episodes instead of just the two from The Silence. And even more if you consider that in order to understand the human time lord transformation you had to watch the 2 episode about The Family. That's 5 in total. Two episode story arcs come along quite often actually
Lingonberry99 7 months ago
@Lingonberry99 No I mean in the modern Doctor who it's been active for two seris while most are for 1. thats all. but river song you could count from seris 4 to seris 6. I don't mean the like final episode plot I mean like the main seris story ark because seris 1 is bad wolf, seris 2 is torchwood, seris 3 the master which carries on over to the end of time. If i meant in like consecutive episodes then yes your right, but i meant when moffat drops little clues in and stuff.
zpwner11 7 months ago
@zpwner11
That's a good point, I see what you mean.
Lingonberry99 7 months ago
@Lingonberry99 Sorry for not making it clear.
zpwner11 7 months ago
The Doctor's always had a dark side to him. The Seventh Doctor was especially dark, especially in the audio plays.
CenturionRyan 7 months ago
Frightning.
tokyopanda13 8 months ago
I think that the Dark Doctor is probably behind the cracks in the universe. Think about it, ever since Waters of Mars, the show has been focusing on his dark side. Hell, the entire new series has been
Bladerunner93 8 months ago
@RedEyesTakeWaring no but I here the Druming cant you here it 1234 1234 1234 1234 it never stops ever
jokernu1fan 8 months ago
I think it was a bit strange that as soon as the doctor broke one of the ancient laws of time that he knew his death was going to come. But I think its true though that sometimes a regeneration can live too long and that a Time Lord living too long will ensure there corruption. Because even though it took war for it to show Rassilon was indeed corrupt.
kaven860hotmail 8 months ago in playlist Doctor Who
Love all the sounds interspersed with the music… anyone else hear birds…?
RedEyesTakeWarning 8 months ago
anyone who watches the old dr.who eps nows that a dark version of the doctor rises between his twelth to thirtenth regeneration so the vale yard will rise soon and if u look in matts eps there is A LOT of evidence to support it for example the big bang two and the dream lord and the valeyard and so on...
awsomehaz310 9 months ago 4
just think valeyard
sjbccfc 9 months ago 4
to think about it that what a human would do save all thoughs ppl
chamge histoury
guesswho14teen 9 months ago
i always thought this song was "waters of mars" or "a death amongst friends" thank god i found it
CATZEistKRIEG 9 months ago
actually i thought finally he was living up to what he could be. he was so much more interesting when he did what he wanted.
CAPT4305 10 months ago 2
if you thought he was scary in this episode imagine what will happen
A. when the dreamlord returns
B. when he become the Valegaurd
*runs screaming from the world*
doctorwhom1 10 months ago 2
Waters of Mars <3 That was such a sad and scary episode
BilliePiperLuv 11 months ago
The Master succumbed to the corruption of power - I think, if the Doctor was to do that, he'd be a force even the Master would fear.
CatastrophiCassidy 1 year ago 119
@CatastrophiCassidy Yeah! Evil Tennant creeped me the fuck out! :p
olit1234 10 months ago
@CatastrophiCassidy the master was insane, he wasn't corrupted by power, he simply was insane (the drumbeats in his head only made things worse for him)...what he really wanted was to get back at those that wronged him and that desire alone turned into obsession that ultimatly brought his downfall
warbossgrotsmasha23 6 months ago
@CatastrophiCassidy He didn't "succumb to the corruption of power".
When time lords turn 8 years old, they are taken to a place on Gallifrey, where they look straight into the time vortex. They all either hate it and turn evil, like the Master, run away, or become inspired.
Democromentor 5 months ago
@Democromentor Well, possibly... It was "inspired, run away, or turn mad". First of all, that's probably more of generalization than and rule. And turning mad doesn't necessarily mean turning evil. Every society has its bad guys, but I don't think they were all made by looking into the Schism. I'm sure that much of the Master's evildoing was his own decision and his own fault: the drumming was there to influence him, but in the end it was he who succumbed.
AgentTanuki 5 months ago
@AgentTanuki Touché
Democromentor 5 months ago
when the doctor got all arrogant and basically said that he was a god, i swear that my heart nearly stopped because he resembled the master so much
let's hope that the dark doctor never turns up again!
ClawSlasher1 1 year ago 95
@ClawSlasher1
I love dark doctor, i want him back
MegaUnoriginal 8 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 well you can see it already in smith, when he tells Amy Tory and river " don't play games with me don't ever think you can" and when he freaked out on the guy in the soccer game. There is an arrogance to 11 which suggests a dark side.
bigjavo36 7 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 That's the premise behind the Master, the Rani, Rassilon and the Valeyard as well. I must say, it's absolutely terrifying.
yoshinibble123 6 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 Valeyard
controlfreak896 6 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 why i love the dark doctor :) its nice to see him go crazy every noe adn thgen :)
pukemaster666 5 months ago 3
If things were so very bright all the time, we would have nothing but brightness to compare to. As individuals, we define ourselves by the things we are not. This much remains true for the Doctor, who must occasionally be spun off his many axes to be how we all normally know him.
Fluffypear 5 months ago 2
@ClawSlasher1 Personally I love dark doctor in small amounts, because he's not a bad guy, but you see that he does lose control eventually, and how it affects him
slightlyinsaneFTW 5 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 I would like a whole season of dark doctor. The valeyard born in fire.
Gormanmod 5 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 imagine the silence corrupting him and he becomes the new madam kavarian
POWERJAAAX 4 months ago
@POWERJAAAX I just did, and now I'm going to have nightmares.
NevillesGran1 4 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 The Dark Doctor was brilliant. I'm kind of sad that they dropped it off after 10.
rillera25 4 months ago
@rillera25 Well when you think about it, they did sort of bring up the topic again in 'Amy's Choice', but it was a complete 'Jekyll and Hyde' situation instead of the Doctor himself succumbing to evil.
MrMischiefter 4 months ago
@ClawSlasher1 What episode was that? I don't remember that... What specifically did he say?
bummer6 4 months ago
@bummer6 the waters of mars when he changed a fixed focal point in time and that the rules of time applied to him no more because he is the last of the time lords
lanedone98 4 months ago
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igoteggigotchicken11 4 months ago
This music always reminds me of Clint Mansell's Requiem for a Dream for some reason.
PraiseDivineMercy 1 year ago
love it...this music is awesome! thx : ) I miss David Tennant as the 10th dr he was the best : (
polkadotsforlife 1 year ago 5
this music speaks volumes