New Flag of Ontario - Nouveau Drapeau pour l'Ontario

[MrEsposition]

It should be simple enough that any child can draw it. Ontario is surrounded by the Great Lakes to the south and Hudson Bay to the north. May I suggest looking at the prefecture flags of Japan; they are simple and beautiful. We really do deserve a flag of our own.

[long774]

A while ago I designed my own flag for Ontario, a green trillium on a gold field. I like it, personally. Anyway, whatever the new flag is, it should include Ontarian symbols, such as the trillium.

[destroymyEpets]

ONTARIENS LOL ontariens ontariens la la la ontariens oh ontariens

[carrotmuffin123]

the ontario procon forum debate has the resolution BIRT ontario needs a new flag on january 26, 2011. haha.

[dash1dash2]

The Green trillium has no affiliation with any specific culture and is a broad symbol of the province. In other words, it perfectly is representative without being discriminatory.

Most flags of the world have this same quality. If you start trying to represent every culture in a flag, you will never please anyone and will most likely end up with a mish-mashed flag.

[dash1dash2]

Just to add, as well as the affiliation with the UK is greatly awarded to the province's and the country's culture, there is a time where an independant nation has to grow out of its 'mother nation'. There is no liberalism or multi-culturalism involved in changing a flag, what the country needs is a unified way of representing its provinces. If you think that it all resides in the maintenance of the Union Jack, then you might reconsider how strong-willed you are towards keeping a unified nation.

[GMOFoodsaregood]

You can change the flag to whatever you want as long as I never have to hear that awful, cheesy song again :)

More seriously:

- anything that includes a Maple Leaf is basically undrawable too. Try getting any Canadian who hasn't taken a professional course as a graphic artist to hand draw a half-way passable Canadian flag: I bet 99 percent can't. I think the stylized trillium is only marginally better on that front.

- that is a pretty ugly shade of green

- I kinda like the current flag

My 2¢

[jimmyinablizzard]

Please, please, please do not run roughshod over my heritage. Ontario is the fabulous place it is today because of the foundation of British laws, commerce, administration, the rule of law, stoicism, individual rights and freedoms, indeed a stiff upper lip and heritage which created the environment which other cultural groups have found the attaction of living in it and thrive. WHY TO WE NEED THESE ANACHRONISTIC AND RIDICULOUS SYMBOLS THAT ONLY SERVE TO DIVIDE US?!

[jimmyinablizzard]

Please, please, please do not run roughshod over my heritage. Ontario is the fabulous place it is today because of the foundation of British laws, commerce, administration, the rule of law, stoicism, individual rights and freedoms, indeed a stiff upper lip and heritage which created the environment which other cultural groups have found the attaction of living in it and thrive. WHY TO WE NEED THESE ANACHRONISTIC AND RIDICULOUS SYMBOLS THAT ONLY SERVE TO DIVIDE US?!

[cheaze69]

If you don'ty like Canada's history and flags, LEAVE!!!!!

[chucky8787]

how about a flag with a big dollar sign on it because everything in Ontario is for sale and we are owned by corporations?

[jcsecs]

all your new flags forgot the Fleur de Lys.

[gnizleov]

Canadian soldier fought under the Union flag at Ypres, Vimy, Dieppe- the Union flag demands and deserves a measure of respect.

Just because you're ignorant of Canada's history and brilliant military exploits- don't burden the rest of us with you're ridiculous 'banner'.

[thedarknemesis]

@gnizleov Canadian soldiers fought under the Canadian red ensign because it was the best thing going at the time. That doesn't mean Ontario's flag should pay homage to that flag despite otherwise being of recognizably poor design.

[waspboy69]

how can people say that our culture is obsolete? while you're at it lets change Saudi Arabia's flag since it doesn't reflect cultura diversity... Ontario and Canada are what they are today because of our British forefathers, its a central part of our history... i really hate it when lefties want to change our history just because a bunch of immigrants are here... trust me, many people like myself will fight hard against any flag change, don't underestimate conservative canadians

[waspboy69]

LEAVE OUR FLAG ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate when liberals and multiculturalists take our true Canadian symbols away, fuck off liberal scum

[ejsilver7]

I posted a video response with some ideas I had after thinking about this for a bit and doing some research.

[ejsilver7]

I agree that Ontario needs a new flag, one that better represents the province as a whole, but to be honest I don't really like any of the designs offered in the video (save perhaps for the three golden leaves on a green background, taken from the crest - that looks pretty good).

Unfortunately, Ontario just doesn't really have a lot of symbols that would look good on a flag, IMO.

[YYZJOHN]

I do not agree with you in any way whatsoever.

[PixiSaturnyne]

I'm glad you feel strongly for this issue, but I don't think many are gonna jump on this band wagon.

I'm proud to be an Ontarian and Francophone. I wouldn't change either flag. They are a part of history.

If you want to talk about something important, talk about why Britain can't fly their flag in the Olympics. They have to fly the UK flag even though they are their own country.

[random250]

You talk about diversity but these flags erase all traces of Britishness in favour of a Franco inspired flag. These ideas dont celebrate diversity only highlight a Frenchoriented minority. Surely the majority of the population deserve to have their cultural heritage respected too and what about other minorities that arent Francophiles? Do they not get a mention on the diversity flag? If you play the diversity card you have to respect diversity. Also your tricolour is the flag of Hungary.

[Dzakku]

No, the colors and the height of the bands aren't the same as Hungary, nor Tajikistan. The red portrayed in most of the examples comes directly from the Red Ensign, and in two other ones I use the Ontario shield of arms (in our current flag), and the Floral Emblem of Ontario (Trillium). Two of those are of British origin, the only French element is the lighter green colour. I'm also in favour of adding autochtonous elements, but unfortunately I don't do native art; or going for a neutral design

[zachary2373]

So Then by your logic it would be okay if a small population of English speaking who people lived in Quebec were to change the Quebec flag to something resembling a Royal Union flag or the St. George's cross because I am offended that anyone could ever think that Ontario would be comfortable flying a symbol of the Kings of France, sure maybe the Ontario flag needs to be changed but it should not include the fleur de lis.

[zachary2373]

@random250

I agree.

This flag should be called the French Canadian Revenge flag, because instead of British symbols they are displaying French Imperial Symbols, there is no diversity within the Franco Ontario flag it is representative of French Canadians and the Ontario Red Ensign is representative of English Canadians. If Ontario must change its flag that Ontario's flag must represent Ontario and not one particular group, and if Ontario must change then so must Quebec for they too are guilty.

[gnizleov]

You people who want a new flag are part of the generation that is too easily offended ! Learn your history and realize our parliamentary system, system of laws have been adopted from Britain.

You are the birds who want to rename Christmas, stop observing Easter, get rid of Victoria Day; get a life ! Stop being offended, humiliated, or devastated. Whiners and complainers !!

[Dzakku]

You people is very general, everyone has their own differing opinion on things. Renaming or getting rid of a Holiday is not the same as changing a flag; a flag is by definition a symbol used for communication, identification, and representation. Christmas is a religious holiday, not a means of communication, or directly identification and representation.

[Dzakku]

To appreciate the current flag for its historical meaning and affiliation with the British is fine, and a very valid argument. And no one has explicitely said they disagree with keeping the Britishness in the flag. People generally disagree for other reasons. Such as; like the other 100 flags exactly like it, it represents the British and their race to world conquest, not Ontarians. Look at British Columbia, it's still British, but with a more local touch.

Anyhow, thanks for commenting.

[AdMareUsqueAdvil]

Okay, here's my thought.

Keep the ensign structure and colour, but take out the Union Jack from the upper left canton. Replace it with a pattern of blue and white; maybe a blue field with a white border and a red or even white maple leaf. Symbolizes the British heritage of Ontario without the Union flag deliberately irritating people.

On the fly place a beautiful (not that nasty 70s government logo) trillium. Something as elegant as the 'fleur-de-lis'. Three leaves in white, on the red.

[AdMareUsqueAdvil]

A new flag for Ontario is probably a good idea, but any new flag should try to find a symbol that most Ontarians can respect without ignoring the history and British heritage of the Province. The beautiful flag of Quebec does not reflect the diversity of that province either. It has a cross and four fleur de lis, taken from the royal standard of pre-revolutionary France. Should Quebec change its flag as well?

A red, white and blue colour scheme, with a nice trillium in the fly would be good

[Infinitygirl28]

manitoba and ontario have the worst flags in Canada lol yeah right

um ok.... the best one for Ontario was in 3:30. it's beautiful, but the most interressing one is at 4:09 (but I find it not really beautiful)

4:24 is not that bad but still miss something

I like that you showed both of French and English um...cultures in Ontario. :)

[gnizleov]

Why do you erase Zachary's comments?

Afraid of healthy debate? Afraid you can't back up your ridiculous, ill begotten, treasonous, dispicable flag proposal??

[Dzakku]

None of the comments have ever been erased. Change your account settings to permit viewing comments with below -5 rating.

[zachary2373]

Don't ever change the Ontario Flag especially when Ontario is one of the first provinces to Enter confederation under British Rule, it is symbolic to the large English population in Ontario, if Ontario Changes so should Quebec as the Quebec Flag is incredibly symbolic the former French monarchy, so don't even go there Franco-phones

[Durandal1492]

Le drapeau ontarien, c'est pour les Loyalistes des USA et les Orangistes de l'United Kingdom.

Pourquoi les francophones, qui ont déjà leur drapeau, voudraint de faire modifier le drapeau des anglophones pour que celui-ci souligne l'existence des francos ?

Et pourquoi les Canadiens-Français de l'Ontario sont tellement fiers d'être "Ontariens"... sont-ils tellement différents des Canadiens-Français du Manitoba et du Saskatchewan ?

[Durandal1492]

*erratum*

voudraient faire modifier le drapeau des anglos

[gnizleov]

'The flag is plain ugly'?

This person clearly does not know their history.

Ontario's common law, our parliamentary system, our political system grew out of Britain. There are wonderful African-American spirituals that sing of 'finding the promise land into the arms of the white mother' (Queen Victoria) as they escaped slavery and fled to Canada. We've adopted wonderful rule of law, tolerance and freedom under the Crown.

I am African-Canadian and proud of it.

Grow up and learn your history !

[carmencita89ambi]

Ontario's flag is plain ugly. The Queen doesn't represent us anymore so we should to update our flag. If we keep the Union Jack then we should have something that represents the francophone and native population of Ontario as well.

[zachary2373]

You clearly have no idea what your talking about, do you know who your head of state is you little moron? You French Canadians disgust me and the only French Canadians I've met live in either New Brunswick or Quebec, I have lived in Ontario my whole life and I haven't spoke French outside the classroom.

You French are minorities get used to it and shut up.

[carmencita89ambi]

Wow, you seriously need to calm down and tone down the bigotry. I'm actually not French Canadian, and yes I do know who our head of state is. I'm not a moron, I just wish Canada would cut it's ties with the Queen of England/British Monarchy. We don't need her/them anymore, they're useless. But whatever, keep the flag the way it is, I still think it's one of the ugliest provincial flags in Canada regardless.

[gbambino]

"We don't need her/them anymore, they're useless." Uuhh-huh. If the Canadian monarchy is so useless, let's hear your simple solution to the question of its replacement.

[carmencita89ambi]

The answer seems so painfully obvious to me. Electing our own head of state is a simply solution. In fact many countries that aren't stuck in the 1800s are doing this.

[gbambino]

A "simply" solution, is it? Only if one relies on sadly ignorant, arrogantly touted personal opinions. Don't just parrot the Bolshevik catch phrases, back up your claims with facts. How will changing the system be "simply"? How is electing a head of state more evolved? What is so useless about the monarchy that it needs disposed of at all? You see, backing up your point is harder than making it.

[carmencita89ambi]

I didn't come here to argue with you, I just "simply" answered your question. I don't need to waste my time with a (Canadian) monarchist and a condescending jerk.

[gbambino]

So, you have nothing. Thank you for not only confirming my suspicions, but also providing a glimpse at republican sentiment in Canada: misplaced spite delivered with holier-than-thou lecturing and covered only in a thin veil of Marxist populism and patriotic fervour. I rather think it isnt that you dont want to argue; its that you cant.

[carmencita89ambi]

Can you please stop harassing me? I don't come on to youtube to argue with people. Its a fucking waste of time. I commented on this video to which someone responded. I responded back to him/her MONTHS ago. Then you came along, I answered your question NOW LEAVE ME ALONE and get life!

[carmencita89ambi]

I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way. That wasn't my intention. I just don't care to argue with you. Let's agree to disagree.

[gbambino]

Well, I doubt that baseless attacks aren't intended to offend, but not to worry if I'm offended; I'm not. What I am is disappointed that someone would hold onto such negative beliefs so strongly, but have no rationale as to why. We'll obviously continue to disagree, but at least I know why I stand where I do. Your reasoning, however, remains a mystery.

[steejoe]

I think the best design is the simplest one. The trillium on the white background. I agree that the Ontario flag seems like more of an out-dated appeasement than a true symbol. A flag should be instantly recognizable and easy to draw. For example, the flag of New Mexico.

[Normalman50]

Please don't tell me Ontario will lose their flag just to accomodate the imports. What is next, the loss of Victoria Day ?

[jimmyphack]

Can we change Quebec's flag, and the French-Ontario flag then, to the Union Jack, Or England's flag. You would cry probably.

We must look special going into battle with a maple leaf.

[jimmyphack]

Canada should use the ensign, that is the entire reason why Ontario has that flag, is in protest of the new flag. Most of us still think that way.

[gnizleov]

I wouldn't trust Lolokimi's opinions.

He obviously can't even spell;

'your' should be the contraction 'you're'.

Go back and become literate before you spout dumb opinions !

[lolokimi]

What do you mean take that? I'm not even trying to diss you, I just want to stick to my beliefs and show you that there is other cultures out there, and we can make change to the flag.

You are such a Canadian redneck jackass. And your not even from Ontario?!

[jimmyphack]

You sound fucking stupid, You should have been here when we called in the army, I went outside and got a nosebleed just from the cold. The army brought us food.

You are a complete fucking idiot.

[AnalogueAudio1985]

Well yesterday it was -50 with the windchill. You ontarians are just pussies.

[jimmyphack]

Had the army not come to my town, the Town was out of Food This is way out in the country.

Old people died in their Chairs from the cold inside their house, or From gas poisoning from old gas stoves.

There was no food in the town, the army brought it after a week.

[jimmyphack]

So if it is -50 without power, and without food for a week, You would have called in the army.

[Ivandinsmore2]

The green flag with the maple leaf design from the coat of arms is best. A simple easily remembered design which is easy to draw and could be instantly recognised by all.

[dsguccia]

The current flag of Ontario should be left as is; it's perfectly fine. Why are Canadians being made to feel guilty about wanting to keep this country's heritage. I'm not of British background, but I strongly object to removing the union jack or any other signs of this country's British past

[BlackenedHP]

Green trillium is Ontario's rightful flag.

[Ashybasha]

The flag with the green trillium is the one that appeals to me the most. It's simple and symbolic like any good flag should be. The others are pretty much competing with the current flag for ugliness. Personally, I think a real flag for Ontario should refrain from including red maple leafs since that is the National symbol which belongs to all of Canada, not just Ontario.

[ryan8437]

There's no need to change the flag. Unlike our nation during the 1960s, Ontario is not undergoing an identity crisis.  I think we have bigger issues to tend to, such as an economic collapse rivaling the Depression. Stop whining people and use your energy on something more productive.

[jonathanmakepeace]

Thank you, Dzakku, for presenting such a compelling case for a new flag. The main lessons behind the design of our beloved national flag were: "Keep it simple, keep it Canadian." We need a flag that says one thing: Ontario.

[gnizleov]

Dzakku,with Remembrance Day upon us, I began to reflect again on your flag proposal. My grandfather fought at Vimy Ridge; my dad served in the army during the Second World War. They served Canada so that you could enjoy the freedom to come up with silly flag designs. They have both passed on, but I can tell you they'd be appalled that you would deny the Union Jack a rightful place as one of our country's symbols. Many died under this flag and it deserves and demands our respect. Shame !

[lolokimi]

...unwanted french culture? you know, there is not only english-speaking people in this country. That is why Canada is such a beautiful place. We need the Native Americans, the French, and all these other cultures as much as we need the English. So shut your fucking mouth and suck it up princess.

[lolokimi]

i was talking to

wilkes85

[lolokimi]

Ontario is English territory, yes, but not ONLY English territory. I know it is the British that conquered, blablabla, but you have to think that you are not the only one in the province.

[zachary2373]

How would you feel if we made Quebec get rid of its Fleur de lis and fly the Union Jack, well thats what your telling 95% of Ontario. You French will loose this battle just like the Quebec Referendum back in 1995.

[Jimderkaisser]

Referendum was a victory i guess you forget the scandal being the referendum of 1995 with Jean-Chrétien with tons of english canadian who said "We love you Quebec" ..

[TremcladClock]

Cry about it.

Canada's rightful flag is the British red ensign.

[woodrailking]

What does this have to do with Dolores Claman?

[Dzakku]

It's in the description; Dolores Claman composed the song "A Place to Stand, A Place to Grow" (regarded as Ontario's unofficial anthem), which plays in the first half of the video. It's definitely not the focus of the video, as the title, description, and video point out.

[CanadaguyRudey]

Leave it alone.

Not everything has to be changed to accommodate.

I dont expect a country to change their heritage if I moved to there.

MOVE ON!!!

[Dzakku]

CR, your commment made no sense. To point out, the land belonged to natives; the first colonizers in Ontario to establish themselves were Francophones. It was only until the 1800s that Anglophone settlements started expanding and imposing an all-imperialistic rule over the general population of Upper Canada (formerly Quebec, and Pays-d'en-haut). So if anything, this is to point out that like Canada, Ontario is multiculturally and historically diverse; and the such should be noted.

[insertcutename]

The flag of Ontario is just fine the way it is. Why is there a need to change it?

I know this is gonna sound harsh and overtly blunt, but the French lost and the British won.

Yes, I understand the French were the first Europeans to explore the province, but that doesn't matter one bit since the Brits came in and had a scrap and forced them out.

Brits 1, French 0

Winner gets to make the flag.

[gnizleov]

Changing the Ontario flag is complete nonsense! Our political system, Common Law and parliamentary democracy are founded on the British system and just because the creator of this video has an ax to grind or does not know his history, he wants to foist this illbegotten monstrocity on the rest of us. I'm getting tired of continual re-visionist historians tinkering and destroying Canadian heritage. I think the Ontario flag is beautiful; created with a thousand years of tradition and custom.

[snowstormcan]

Well put. Flags shouldn't change every time society does. Ontario's Red Ensign represents where we came from, and why we're here.

[NOCTVRNVS]

Fuck that! We want to erase the tribute to our English heritage and foundation, just to replace it with a tribute to the French?

Well then let's decide over a war, whall we? :)

[Blitzmadel]

Whats next, erase every trace of our heritage? More Canadians show know that they are british and if they don't that is only the byproduct of campains like this to remove ourselves from anything british in order to create some land NO ONE feels compleatly comfortable in. They have passed laws on english in quebec, I'm sorry if I don't roll out the red carpet to my history and land we aquired in the same method being used for centuaries. NO FLAG CHANGE! CANADIAN HISTORY IS NOT UP FOR REVISION,thx

[Dzakku]

It seems you failed to read any part of my messsages; quite unfortunate. In no way did I propose to erase history, I just proposed a flag that would more accurately represent history and people. And it's been since the last 90 years that Canadians have been diverging from the British reign, whereas most living Ontarians don't associate themselves as "subjects of the Queen", and surely wouldn't defend the UK in its imperialistic goals any more as we change from a colony into a G8 Country.

[Dzakku]

To add, I never once mentioned Québec: that's an entirely different province (it's too bad you don't understand the difference). Here, I'm talking about Ontarians (English, French, and Native), who are equally Canadians. And Canada is an innovative Country that keeps redefining its cultural symbols and borders. Just 10 years ago, no one expected the Inuit to gain their own territory, but look at Nunavut today. And just 44 years ago, Canada gained a new flag. History changes, for better for worse

[Blitzmadel]

Our country was built and founded by the British, many lost their lives fighting in wars for this land, show some bloody respect. No one immigrates to other countries and makes them change their flags. This flag is a reminder of our heritage and forefathers. 'Loyal she began, loyal she remains' thats the motto of ontario, if you don't like it you're welcome to return to your own country.

[Dzakku]

No need to get all offended and call everyone immigrants; what are natives to you? Sure, maybe you believe that French people are immigrants to Ontario, but just know that the French explorer Étienne Brûlé first explored Ontario in 1610-12, and the first Ontarian establishments were settled since 1639 by French missionaries. This is nearly 70 years before the English even founded a trade post in the region.

[Dzakku]

The video is not intended to denigrate British Heritage, but rather promote the diversity of Ontario as a whole. Francophones, like Anglophones, and even Natives, fought the same wars for the land; showing some respect is a two-way street. To top that, many Canadian Anglophones do not in fact associate themselves with Britain in any way, who now that it has become the United Kingdom, also faces problems with representing its own society (see videos: ~New Union Flag).

[Dzakku]

And I speak this as both an Anglophone of British heritage and a Francophone of French Canadian heritage. This is my country, and I intend to stay. -- Such flag debates have become a trend among former british Colonies: Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United Kingdom have each considered at one point to change their flags (to a certain extent, the United States too). So Ontario, like Canada, should be allowed a non-racial civil debate over such a matter that concerns its own citizens.

[FRENCHandBLOND]

I am franco-ontarien...that franco-ontarien flag is more beautiful than ever to me, the franco-ontarien flag is my flag, I refuse to fly the current ontario flag cause I'm not of british decent...

[Ashybasha]

As a proud Ontarian of British descent, I think it's time to adopt a flag that is simple, simbolic and represent's Ontario.

[Ashybasha]

I would probably make the trillium in the tri-coloured version black in order to differentiate it from the green band at the bottom. Other than that, I like the proposed trillium version the best.

[petie71]

I like the present one. I like it's 'formality' and its 'traditionalistic' feel. I do feel that, as was mentioned below, that Aboriginals should be represented, though. I sure as hell don't want something like the B.C. flag which is way over the top. It stands out - yes; but, that isn't always a good thing. (P.S. You spelled coloured the American way (colored) in your description). x

[CanadaguyRudey]

I like the flag with the red background and the Union jack in the upper left hand corner and the shield with the cross of st george and the tro leafs.

Thats the on eI like.

[Commonwealther]

I think the Ontarian flag should keep the Union Jack as well as St. George's Cross but it does need some reference to the natives; they were here before us. As for the national flag I personally don't like it. The red ensign was good but it should have a bit more to do with the French and natives.

[conrad12345678910]

your "new" flag looks awful!!!! why change the old one? looks pretty cool to me.

[Dzakku]

Which one? There's quite a few designs; none which I particularly promote, it was, as written in the description, to provoke opinions on the current flag of Ontario. As for 'why', the countless reasons are mentioned throughout the video and in the description. Thanks for commenting.

[Canadenc]

I love the red ensign. Keep it!

[snowstormcan]

Loyal She Began, Loyal She Remains. Leave the flag alone.

[spammingassistant02]

snowstormcan,you are absoloutely right my friend...the last thing we need is more damn "changes". It`s time for reinstating order...

[CaroFranco08]

I totally agree with the vid. the flag is ugly and why would we have the union jack? I liked the green,white and red striped one with the trillium in the center. It would characterise Ontario with an emphasis on it's bilingual residents. As a proud French Canadian i could never be proud to raise anything with the union Jack on it.

[spammingassistant02]

last I checked the bi-lingual residents were mostly asians,indians and middle easterns and not any French. Besides Canada was once a Dominion of Britian,and didn`t the French want seperation anyways?

[CaroFranco08]

First of all maybe you should check your facts before you make uneducated comments!! Less then 50% of quebec residents want to separate ( I dont blame them with Square heads like you around!!) Now if you havent noticed this vid is about ontario's flag, And you must be really ignorant if you havent noticed all the french people in Ontario. oh and Secondly we separated from brittan for a reason, and Last I checked Canada's Nationnal languages were French And English, I speak both, i doubt you can.

[spammingassistant02]

I highly doubt that,as the attitude of most(perhaps not all,but definitely most) of the french happen to consider themselves "disitnct" to the rest of us Canadians.

[spammingassistant02]

French people in Ontario?Forget whatever statistics may be saying but I no hardly any people who speak french.And Canada was a Dominion of Britian,and you seperating from them was a good idea as far as we`re concerned.

[spammingassistant02]

And no I don`t speak very good French,and I don`t want to,nor do I care that you can.That was thrust upon us without any chance to say whether we wanted it or no.Now we have to pay extra taxes for the french to be scrawled over the back of everything even though nobody wants it to.

[Dzakku]

Although the video put a lot of emphasis on the English and French communities, you mustn't forget Native peoples, or various other minority communities. The Red Ensign et al. aren't representative of anyone but people of British decent. I would strongly encourage looking up the current Canadian Flag, and reasons that make it a more efficient flag than its former. - Aside, using taxes as an excuse is a totally inefficient argument. You would still have to pay for 2nd language education anyhow.

[spammingassistant02]

Europeans (primarily British) made Canada what it is today..the indians wouldn`t have gone to all that trouble...and any "real" Canadian will agree that the french are a burden...

[Dzakku]

The British may have been the strongest influence in the 19th century, but before that it was the French. Before "Canada", most provinces were independant from the crown. And this may come to a shock for you, but the term "Canadian" was originally used by & to refer to French Canadians. So a 'True Canadian' would technically be a frenchman.

In addition, your way of thinking is nazist - I have never met anyone from the East, the West, or the North who would still believe in british supremacy.

[spammingassistant02]

well my friend,I will gladly let you know that there are many of us out there who are tired of seeing Canada be spoiled.Whites settled this country,and I believe that minorities should never be in control...

[Dzakku]

Then if you don't want to live in a democratic place, one where we value equality of rights, freedom of speech, and more; I'd suggest you move away. Go live in a supremacist nation, for all you value is not the idea of the majority. This discussion with you is useless, you don't even realize that on all three sides of your border, and within your own community, people are different. They speak different languages, whether French, English, Inuktitut, or other.

[Dzakku]

Canada is one for the people, one by the people. Each of us has our own part to contribute in this country, but if you want to incite hatred upon millions of Canadians, more than 90% of whom would not identify themselves as british today, then that's your say. But keep your judgement to yourself, because you are the minority.

[CaroFranco08]

I'm so happy to hear another deacent Canadian make a comment!! all of your camments are compleatly right and i think you speak for most canadians (well those with a head on their shoulders) I dont understand why anyone would consider themselves british, Canadians fought long and hard to gain respect as an independent country and now we are ONE of the most respected countries in the world

[CaroFranco08]

You are so right!! there should be a native symbol on the flag. It's kinda funny how british decendents think they make up most of canada when in fact their are way more minorities, like asians for instance who basicly built the trans-Canadian rail road. Native's and French-Canadians make up a very large part of Canada's rich heritage as well as all the immigrants who colonised the west,these are the real Canadians who put their heart, soul, blood and sweat into creating this amazing Country!!

[pow3334]

It's not about representing the people, it's about representing the SYSTEM of GOVERNMENT the Britsh implanted. We are free because of the British parliamentary system and the way it evolved! Don't forget who the Queen is and what she represents. Our freedom can be traced back to Magna Carta, we should not forget how it came about and how it came about! What better way to represent this? if 50,000,000 yanks move to China, does that mean they should change their flag? NO! Their system, their flag

[CaroFranco08]

Obviously you are making uneducated comment's that whole yanks china argument is such a bad analogy that i wont even respond to what ever you just spewed out your ass

[pow3334]

same thing, a whole bunch of indians and paks moved to ontario, lets change the flag... that's what you're saying... why not put a union jack in the quebec flag to represent the english minority(which is much bigger than the french minority in ontario)...

[AvixK7]

Guess what, I'm french, I'm bilingual, and I get along with anglophones perfectly well. Oh and I live in Ontario, Orléans-Ottawa to be specific. coming to conclusions based solely on your own account of how things are is incredibly short-sighted.

[AvixK7]

Note: my previous reply was address to spamassistant02 for one of his previous comments, don't know why my post ended up at the top of the thread. As for the flag, I wouldn't mind if it adopted a new design, but I wouldn't consider it a priority.

[gnizleov]

English and French? Maybe legally we are bilingual, but Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan have nothing to do with French. I live my life completely in English (I'm bilingual too)so saying we're a bilingual nation is a misnomer; that's a Liberal Party proclamation. Our country supports financially the 'idea' of bilingualism and billions are poured into Quebec because it's a 'have not' province, but the primary language of Canada is English.

[bill9167]

Well, since you ask, here goes: I like the Ontario flag just as it is. I read somewhere that the government of Canada kind of rammed the maple leaf flag through the House of Commons back in 196 something or other and millions of Canadians were none-too-pleased to lose the old Red Ensign...the Ontario and Manitoba governments of the day agreed with the unlistened to millions and immediately adopted a modified Red Ensign for their provinces. And to them, I say, "thank you and long may it fly."