Unions seem to work like no child left behind does. You are only as good as the worst member, across the board. Teacher's unions and no child left behind end up leaving the entirety of America behind.
@PaxAtheista I would love for a state to go all private for about 10 years as a test to see the difference. I for one would move to that state just to allow my kids a proper education. Money has nothing to do with it. Look at the video private schools have the kids help clean, all cold lunches. Poor people could easily go to private schools if all school where private and the government instead of spending thousands per student as is now. Would help low income families.It would save
@PaxAtheista All this shit your saying is already happening. The USA has one of the worst educational systems in the civilized world. We push feeling good and how nice we should be while only 31% of high school students are at their math level. Its almost impossible to fire teachers due to unions. There is a reason why private schools outscore public in almost every section. The teachers are allowed to teach the proper way and if students don't want to learn they kick them out. cont
@PaxAtheista If all schools where privatized then the price would go down, the government would of course give each kid an allowance to go to what ever school they wanted that qualified. Thats how it would be better. Competition
@PaxAtheista They aren't receiving a good education now, so what you're afraid of? Once there are no government schools, private schools will compete for customers and, as we know, competition increases quality and decreases price. There is a third solution: privatize and let government give these poor kids money and they decide which school to go to, that way bad schools will be left with no students and will go bankrupt. This relies on competition = lower prices as well
I like public schools I like being mentally fucking retarded I go the one of the "best" schools according to Newsweek and its corrupt and doesn't teach shit
So similar to his old report on ABC (Stupid in America). In fact, a lot of his statistics and visuals from this are drawn right from there, and his guest was actually one of the more prominent guests from that episode.
That being said, he's totally right. My mother made a career as a special ed teacher, working for an independent non-profit rather than an actual school. The difference between her performance, and public-salaried teachers, is astronomical. Mostly because my mom can be canned.
@jrsub3 (cont). For example, recently a school transitioned their special education from being district-run to run by her company. The guidance counselor recently told someone in my mom's company that the changes are obvious; special needs kids are going from babied to actually active in the classroom, and some may actually hold jobs after school (which is the goal of special ed programs, from what I can tell). Competition for educators lead to good things for kids.
So if a teacher is a rapist and a murderer, it's going to be a very hard time to fire a teacher from work (taking the factor of Police Custody out of the equation).
What a terrible idea! If I had to pay to finish high school, I would have left in the eighth grade. Education leads to higher social mobility and a chance at self improvement. Isn't that what the whole right wing soapbox is built on?
The point being, when children are born into situations that leave that at a disadvantage it is in societies interest to band together and assist. The facts always bother conservatives. But the fact is this: improve education for the poor (ie. those whose parents work and often lack either the education or time to impute knowledge to their children, like Edison's mother and rich parents) and you start to REALLY improve education.
So it is a coincidence that the #1 factor by FAR for how successful children are in school is the economic background of their parents? lol. Come on, parents are the biggest factor in success.
I said Edison was successful because SOMONE ELSE helped him. In that case his mother. You can't do it on your own, conservatives hate that fact. You need others.
And progressive era is a factual event, regardless of if you like the word or not. Just like the gilded era, industrial era. etc.
Here is what I find curious, now I am happy you mention monopolies, but we had, with FEW exceptions, so few as to not affect the analysis, a Free Market pre progressive era.
That was not pretty. IF the Free Market HAD worked we would not have been forced to pass legislation against child labor, monopolies (the inevitable outcome of a free market, just naive to think you can fight it without fighting it), subpar education.
And no one answered my question: HOW do the poor compete for education?
@goliathreno Private Monopolies have a risk factor, it's profit and loss where they depend on free will by the public to buy their product. Govt Monopolies, are financed by taxes instead of a purchase determined by the public. This is why vouchers and charter schools are vital to quality. Stossel explains it here beautifully. Free Markets in the pre statist nanny era, which you call "progressive" were better then state control we have today.
@dons123111 But we can just look to facts. The facts are that the Free Market did not produce a good system pre progressive era. The abuses were gross. And black lung + growth issues in kids weren't prosecuted.
And charter schools and vouchers are financed by taxes. So I am thrown off by your attack on taxes.
IF there is a better system to educate our children let's do it. But let's be realistic, the poor won't be educated without SOME gov financing. Edison's mom was educated.
@goliathreno But you just proved my point. Edisons parents were poor, and lived in an almost statist free environment and their son became the worlds greatest inventor of all time. This is the crux of our argument. It hinges on the fact that poor people today are blocked by statist rules. Edison's first job at 14 was working in a railroad car selling goods. Todays statists would not allow it. Child Labor would be called in question and his poor parents arrested for neglect.
@dons123111 actually the crux of my argument is that many poor children have parents who are illiterate. Now, had Edison been poor, no state schooling and had illiterate parents THEN you'd have an exception. But you didn't do that. You proved my point, we NEED other people. Where family works THAT is most important (hence why rich and middle class kids succeed SO MUCH MORE than the poor).
Where family doesn't work (poor, or do you think they are born less intelligent) society steps in.
@goliathreno I meant to say, arrested for child endangerment, and the railroad company demonized as greedy, fined and threatened to be closed down. Those are the facts. All the statism is just feelings..it does away with the judicial system that is utilitarian and implants a moral one, without a rule of law. No longer is man free, but he now and continues further to answer to a man or woman for his or her existance. This is called totalitarian.
@dons123111 So you have no problem with a 3 year old being sent down into a mine because he can maneuver into areas that otherwise aren't reached? And stopping him is totalitarianism? I understand the idea of anarchy, is that what you espouse? Cause I can respect that, if you think pure anarchy is the best, so be it. My comments are relevant to any view except anarchy. SO if you are a libertarian then I think your points have no force. But if you are an anarchist then we just disagree.
@goliathreno Progressive in politics can mean anything you want it to mean. I consider liberty to be progressive, and not the Totalitarian state that you beleive in. The Totalitarian German Philosophers changed the meaning of many moral words, like social and justice, progressive, and are liars. You insist that poor people like Edisons mother did her child harm, because the totalitarian state was not in place at that time as much as it is today.
@goliathreno I emphatically know that the Totalitarian "progressive" state breaks down the nucleus of the family and does more harm then good. The evidence is everywhere. I can name numerous examples, from Boarding schools, to Nazis, to Communists, to the Great Society, even today. One of them being your blaming parents for kids not doing well in school.
@goliathreno One other problem I have with you and anyone who uses the word progressive today in politics. Simply this, that you apply a word that does not mean what it is. Progressive meant a Free Market in Reniassance Italy. What you have done is change the meaning of the word to justify the return of totalitarian government. The roots of the problem can be traced back with German Philosophers, starting with Kant and reaching an apex with Hegal. Please, refrain with such Fascist doctrine.
@dons123111 One thing I don't do is play make-believe with words like conservatives do. I use words as a form of communication. Since that era is CALLED the progressive era I refer to it so you know the timeframe I refer to. If I was talking about ITALY and wanted to refer to THEIR progressive market, then I would refer to the progressive market in Italy (just like you did in your post, yet I'm not up in arms with YOUR use of that term, lol)
@goliathreno When children were hurt on a job, which was very very rare, the justice system was available to prosecute the culprits. That is called the rule of law. But with Bureacracy, children are shut out of jobs that benefit them. It's naive to think that all children have the same iq and cannot handle some jobs more then others. Edison was poor, how did he compete?
@dons123111 This is how he competed: "Edison recalled later, "My mother was the making of me. She was so true, so sure of me; and I felt I had something to live for, someone I must not disappoint." His mother homeschooled him.[2] Much of his education came from reading R.G. Parker's School of Natural Philosophy and The Cooper Union. "
Like I said below, it is the correlation between poverty and the lack of home education that makes us worry. SO Edison just proves the point: we need others.
@419dman Nothing wrong with child labor when conditions around the child are worse then the labor is, it's imperative that the child can improve the condition of his life without some busybody making his or her life stay miserable. In this light, it is the bureacracy that harms the child.
@dons123111 your actually coming out in favor of child labor , truly amazing, it is not "imperative that a child improve the condition of his (own) life" it's imperative that a child be a child, to learn and grow, to become a productive member of society without hypocrites like you holding them down
@419dman You actually beleive that Union School teachers can teach kids to be productive, that's a joke. The premise of Unions is egalatarin, a system that treats everyone the same and disregards talent or merit as anything but being unfair to others., Union Teachers are advanced in their profession, not by measuring success, but buy measuring time, what they bastardize and call tenure. The kids can't grow into mentally sound adults with these ideas holding them back.
@dons123111 No I actually believe that you advocating child labor is absurd, I can't even call that a joke, are unions, any unions perfect? ... NO, but for a libertarian to be consistent in philosophy they would have to accept since it is not gov't's job to protect the worker the worker has the right to join groups for their own protection, you would understand if you weren't TParty which is libertarian only when convenient
In other words it is time we realized that the #1 factor for education is your family. And if that is the case we as a society are BETTER off reallocating resources to the areas where there is less family support. If we can bump the kids of lower income families (whose parents actually work for a living) into the area where they do good in school (and I like charter and private schools IF there is some money allocation that lets them go) then this country is gonna BOOM.
@goliathreno The more Government intrudes on a Family, the less support the children get from their parents. Government Monopolies, like regulations, licenses, taxes, etc drives unemployment up, blocks opportunity which disrupts the nucleus of the family. Until we stop blaming parents for the faults of intrusive Govt we can't expect kids to learn anything. The promises made are never kept.
@dons123111 I think sooner or later we have to face reality. The reason poor children get less support from their parents is because there is a correlation between education levels and income levels. Without society stepping in how do you end the cycle? The child of an illiterate is already at a huge disadvantage by the time he walks into school.
How would poor children benefit from a free market of education? Why teach in a poor district for poor wages if you can work in a wealthy area?
@goliathreno We have to face reality all right. Govt Monopolies kill opportunity. Kids need parents who are not blocked from opportunities. We tell you guys over and over and over, that free markets create competition, that competition begats quality, yet we have to keep repeating it over and over and over again, and still you keep asking, It never ends. Why would you stop competition that creates good teachers and wealth too?. Free Market education eliminates mediocrity
I'm in 11th grade and my history teacher constantly complains on how schools should be funded more and teachers don't get paid enough... Every time he says that I really want to debate him on it but he doesn't let me.
@ChoiceandCapitalism Teacher's don't get paid enough. One thing you'll find with quacks like in the video is they skew stats. Did he show you teacher's salaries? My dad made more teaching in Alaska in 1980 than teachers make now. I'd like to see his inflation stats on that one. lol
Some teachers start below 30K. That is the same as 20 years ago.
I love how the guys states that we have blackberries and other forms of technology because of competition......he obviously has no clue how IP works, I hate to break it to him, but there is no competition, they get their product and they get a 20 year MONOPOLY.
The best investment we can make is in educating our poor children. Without the society being involved that just can't happen. And when I say society I don't mean local, impoverished and uneducated segment, but society as a whole.
@goliathreno Blackberries are a monopoly? What about iPhones and Droids? You don't consider them competition? Your "it takes a village" approach sounds sweet, but it is really just a means to pass responsibility from parents and educators to society in general. It is the kind of meaningless platitude fitting of BHO. The truth is, without competition, there would be little innovation--no matter how much the teachers' union screams in protest.
@fzqlcs Yes they are monopolies. Try putting an i-phone out to make Apple compete with you, see what happens. And I'm not talking trademarks, I'm talking patent, use the technology. Same with a blackberry.
The problem with education, vs. countries like Belgium, is that HERE we have a huge population covering a WIDE variety of incomes. Look at the stats: poor people do bad at school, middle income good and high income very good, very few exceptions to this rule.
Hey people public schools are a mess and sometimes its the governments fault, and sometimes it is clearly dumb people and dumb families who will still be dumb even if they are sent to private schools. Also someone below me says "abolish the government" , keep in kind people like Ron Paul, are not anarchists, he said so himself, he is not an anrchist
@StopFear well then compromise...we don't have to abolish all state schools; but instead of sending tax dollars to schools, send the tax dollars to each child, and let the parent choose where the child is educated. if there are dumb parents, they'll make dumb decisions, and get poor results. if their only option is to wise up they will be forced to, not by government, but by reality.
Not that I'm insinuating anything specific, but I don't get why the people who lose it, fly into IRS office buildings, or shoot up a place before getting taken out by SWAT or police don't target the few people on the top. If you've gone off the deep end, at least do us all a favor and take out an IRS commissioner, big business lobbyist, union boss, Congressman, etc.
government monopolies are the worst, most inefficient and cruel of all. And its done under the false guise it being for the so called public good...sad....
Replace "Teacher" with "Doctor", replace "Student" with "Patient", and you have a glimpse of government run health care in the US.
Regardless of the "right or wrong" on principle arguments to government health care, the fact is clear- our government is woefully ineffective at such tasks. It has clearly demonstrated that fact.
It is the rare individual that says "I do not NEED to work hard and excel, but I will anyway." Those folks are working in the private sector- really producing.
The whole reason that we don't have vouchers is because of the teacher's union lobby. They are literally robbing the future of our country. I think there is a place for a politician to get elected simply by running against teachers unions.
@BigPurple121 "I think there is a place for a politician to get elected simply by running against teachers unions."
Not a chance. Keep in mind the American electorate was educated by the unions so they are too dumb to know why the teachers union is bad for us. I mean... they were foolish enough to vote Obama into office, weren't they?
Calling them what they are, "government schools", goes a long way in understanding what's going on here. They function to serve the government's interest rather then the public.
@Sondre7 Hell, all over Europe and various other industrialized places, including many developing ones, if I recall, they have lots of school choice, many good private schools AND schools run for profit by companies that can provide efficiency and competition. If they can do it, why can't we? If they HAVE done but are still very liberal overall, why hasn't America come its senses? It's pretty ridiculous.
Unions seem to work like no child left behind does. You are only as good as the worst member, across the board. Teacher's unions and no child left behind end up leaving the entirety of America behind.
torgyman 4 weeks ago
Funny : 3:40 "There is nothing in Belgium better than United States". Clearly, education is better in Belgium.
Szpion1 2 months ago
@PaxAtheista I would love for a state to go all private for about 10 years as a test to see the difference. I for one would move to that state just to allow my kids a proper education. Money has nothing to do with it. Look at the video private schools have the kids help clean, all cold lunches. Poor people could easily go to private schools if all school where private and the government instead of spending thousands per student as is now. Would help low income families.It would save
cwood4ever 2 months ago
@PaxAtheista All this shit your saying is already happening. The USA has one of the worst educational systems in the civilized world. We push feeling good and how nice we should be while only 31% of high school students are at their math level. Its almost impossible to fire teachers due to unions. There is a reason why private schools outscore public in almost every section. The teachers are allowed to teach the proper way and if students don't want to learn they kick them out. cont
cwood4ever 2 months ago
@PaxAtheista If all schools where privatized then the price would go down, the government would of course give each kid an allowance to go to what ever school they wanted that qualified. Thats how it would be better. Competition
cwood4ever 2 months ago
@PaxAtheista They aren't receiving a good education now, so what you're afraid of? Once there are no government schools, private schools will compete for customers and, as we know, competition increases quality and decreases price. There is a third solution: privatize and let government give these poor kids money and they decide which school to go to, that way bad schools will be left with no students and will go bankrupt. This relies on competition = lower prices as well
ElJefer 2 months ago
I like public schools I like being mentally fucking retarded I go the one of the "best" schools according to Newsweek and its corrupt and doesn't teach shit
soccer92489 9 months ago
Interesting info about Belgium schools.
concordbdance 1 year ago
So similar to his old report on ABC (Stupid in America). In fact, a lot of his statistics and visuals from this are drawn right from there, and his guest was actually one of the more prominent guests from that episode.
That being said, he's totally right. My mother made a career as a special ed teacher, working for an independent non-profit rather than an actual school. The difference between her performance, and public-salaried teachers, is astronomical. Mostly because my mom can be canned.
jrsub3 1 year ago
@jrsub3 (cont). For example, recently a school transitioned their special education from being district-run to run by her company. The guidance counselor recently told someone in my mom's company that the changes are obvious; special needs kids are going from babied to actually active in the classroom, and some may actually hold jobs after school (which is the goal of special ed programs, from what I can tell). Competition for educators lead to good things for kids.
jrsub3 1 year ago
05:50
So if a teacher is a rapist and a murderer, it's going to be a very hard time to fire a teacher from work (taking the factor of Police Custody out of the equation).
America is in deep trouble...
Cleric775 1 year ago
In Louisiana you can just get a transfer especially if you are a minority.
fashionhistorylover 1 year ago
I live in cali and I know a teacher- she told me that after just five years it's nearly impossible to fire them
collapseofthedollar 1 year ago
What a terrible idea! If I had to pay to finish high school, I would have left in the eighth grade. Education leads to higher social mobility and a chance at self improvement. Isn't that what the whole right wing soapbox is built on?
AlexanderDGraham 1 year ago
The point being, when children are born into situations that leave that at a disadvantage it is in societies interest to band together and assist. The facts always bother conservatives. But the fact is this: improve education for the poor (ie. those whose parents work and often lack either the education or time to impute knowledge to their children, like Edison's mother and rich parents) and you start to REALLY improve education.
goliathreno 1 year ago
So it is a coincidence that the #1 factor by FAR for how successful children are in school is the economic background of their parents? lol. Come on, parents are the biggest factor in success.
I said Edison was successful because SOMONE ELSE helped him. In that case his mother. You can't do it on your own, conservatives hate that fact. You need others.
And progressive era is a factual event, regardless of if you like the word or not. Just like the gilded era, industrial era. etc.
goliathreno 1 year ago
Here is what I find curious, now I am happy you mention monopolies, but we had, with FEW exceptions, so few as to not affect the analysis, a Free Market pre progressive era.
That was not pretty. IF the Free Market HAD worked we would not have been forced to pass legislation against child labor, monopolies (the inevitable outcome of a free market, just naive to think you can fight it without fighting it), subpar education.
And no one answered my question: HOW do the poor compete for education?
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno Private Monopolies have a risk factor, it's profit and loss where they depend on free will by the public to buy their product. Govt Monopolies, are financed by taxes instead of a purchase determined by the public. This is why vouchers and charter schools are vital to quality. Stossel explains it here beautifully. Free Markets in the pre statist nanny era, which you call "progressive" were better then state control we have today.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 But we can just look to facts. The facts are that the Free Market did not produce a good system pre progressive era. The abuses were gross. And black lung + growth issues in kids weren't prosecuted.
And charter schools and vouchers are financed by taxes. So I am thrown off by your attack on taxes.
IF there is a better system to educate our children let's do it. But let's be realistic, the poor won't be educated without SOME gov financing. Edison's mom was educated.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno But you just proved my point. Edisons parents were poor, and lived in an almost statist free environment and their son became the worlds greatest inventor of all time. This is the crux of our argument. It hinges on the fact that poor people today are blocked by statist rules. Edison's first job at 14 was working in a railroad car selling goods. Todays statists would not allow it. Child Labor would be called in question and his poor parents arrested for neglect.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 actually the crux of my argument is that many poor children have parents who are illiterate. Now, had Edison been poor, no state schooling and had illiterate parents THEN you'd have an exception. But you didn't do that. You proved my point, we NEED other people. Where family works THAT is most important (hence why rich and middle class kids succeed SO MUCH MORE than the poor).
Where family doesn't work (poor, or do you think they are born less intelligent) society steps in.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno I meant to say, arrested for child endangerment, and the railroad company demonized as greedy, fined and threatened to be closed down. Those are the facts. All the statism is just feelings..it does away with the judicial system that is utilitarian and implants a moral one, without a rule of law. No longer is man free, but he now and continues further to answer to a man or woman for his or her existance. This is called totalitarian.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 So you have no problem with a 3 year old being sent down into a mine because he can maneuver into areas that otherwise aren't reached? And stopping him is totalitarianism? I understand the idea of anarchy, is that what you espouse? Cause I can respect that, if you think pure anarchy is the best, so be it. My comments are relevant to any view except anarchy. SO if you are a libertarian then I think your points have no force. But if you are an anarchist then we just disagree.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno Progressive in politics can mean anything you want it to mean. I consider liberty to be progressive, and not the Totalitarian state that you beleive in. The Totalitarian German Philosophers changed the meaning of many moral words, like social and justice, progressive, and are liars. You insist that poor people like Edisons mother did her child harm, because the totalitarian state was not in place at that time as much as it is today.
dons123111 1 year ago
@goliathreno I emphatically know that the Totalitarian "progressive" state breaks down the nucleus of the family and does more harm then good. The evidence is everywhere. I can name numerous examples, from Boarding schools, to Nazis, to Communists, to the Great Society, even today. One of them being your blaming parents for kids not doing well in school.
dons123111 1 year ago
@goliathreno One other problem I have with you and anyone who uses the word progressive today in politics. Simply this, that you apply a word that does not mean what it is. Progressive meant a Free Market in Reniassance Italy. What you have done is change the meaning of the word to justify the return of totalitarian government. The roots of the problem can be traced back with German Philosophers, starting with Kant and reaching an apex with Hegal. Please, refrain with such Fascist doctrine.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 One thing I don't do is play make-believe with words like conservatives do. I use words as a form of communication. Since that era is CALLED the progressive era I refer to it so you know the timeframe I refer to. If I was talking about ITALY and wanted to refer to THEIR progressive market, then I would refer to the progressive market in Italy (just like you did in your post, yet I'm not up in arms with YOUR use of that term, lol)
Use language to communicate, it works.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno When children were hurt on a job, which was very very rare, the justice system was available to prosecute the culprits. That is called the rule of law. But with Bureacracy, children are shut out of jobs that benefit them. It's naive to think that all children have the same iq and cannot handle some jobs more then others. Edison was poor, how did he compete?
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 This is how he competed: "Edison recalled later, "My mother was the making of me. She was so true, so sure of me; and I felt I had something to live for, someone I must not disappoint." His mother homeschooled him.[2] Much of his education came from reading R.G. Parker's School of Natural Philosophy and The Cooper Union. "
Like I said below, it is the correlation between poverty and the lack of home education that makes us worry. SO Edison just proves the point: we need others.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@dons123111 Aghh! that darn bureacracy, It's the true enemy of child labour, and I just thought it had to do with people having a conscience
419dman 1 year ago
@419dman Nothing wrong with child labor when conditions around the child are worse then the labor is, it's imperative that the child can improve the condition of his life without some busybody making his or her life stay miserable. In this light, it is the bureacracy that harms the child.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 your actually coming out in favor of child labor , truly amazing, it is not "imperative that a child improve the condition of his (own) life" it's imperative that a child be a child, to learn and grow, to become a productive member of society without hypocrites like you holding them down
419dman 1 year ago
@419dman You actually beleive that Union School teachers can teach kids to be productive, that's a joke. The premise of Unions is egalatarin, a system that treats everyone the same and disregards talent or merit as anything but being unfair to others., Union Teachers are advanced in their profession, not by measuring success, but buy measuring time, what they bastardize and call tenure. The kids can't grow into mentally sound adults with these ideas holding them back.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 No I actually believe that you advocating child labor is absurd, I can't even call that a joke, are unions, any unions perfect? ... NO, but for a libertarian to be consistent in philosophy they would have to accept since it is not gov't's job to protect the worker the worker has the right to join groups for their own protection, you would understand if you weren't TParty which is libertarian only when convenient
419dman 1 year ago
In other words it is time we realized that the #1 factor for education is your family. And if that is the case we as a society are BETTER off reallocating resources to the areas where there is less family support. If we can bump the kids of lower income families (whose parents actually work for a living) into the area where they do good in school (and I like charter and private schools IF there is some money allocation that lets them go) then this country is gonna BOOM.
But get to the root.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno The more Government intrudes on a Family, the less support the children get from their parents. Government Monopolies, like regulations, licenses, taxes, etc drives unemployment up, blocks opportunity which disrupts the nucleus of the family. Until we stop blaming parents for the faults of intrusive Govt we can't expect kids to learn anything. The promises made are never kept.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 I think sooner or later we have to face reality. The reason poor children get less support from their parents is because there is a correlation between education levels and income levels. Without society stepping in how do you end the cycle? The child of an illiterate is already at a huge disadvantage by the time he walks into school.
How would poor children benefit from a free market of education? Why teach in a poor district for poor wages if you can work in a wealthy area?
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno We have to face reality all right. Govt Monopolies kill opportunity. Kids need parents who are not blocked from opportunities. We tell you guys over and over and over, that free markets create competition, that competition begats quality, yet we have to keep repeating it over and over and over again, and still you keep asking, It never ends. Why would you stop competition that creates good teachers and wealth too?. Free Market education eliminates mediocrity
dons123111 1 year ago
I'm in 11th grade and my history teacher constantly complains on how schools should be funded more and teachers don't get paid enough... Every time he says that I really want to debate him on it but he doesn't let me.
ChoiceandCapitalism 1 year ago
@ChoiceandCapitalism Teacher's don't get paid enough. One thing you'll find with quacks like in the video is they skew stats. Did he show you teacher's salaries? My dad made more teaching in Alaska in 1980 than teachers make now. I'd like to see his inflation stats on that one. lol
Some teachers start below 30K. That is the same as 20 years ago.
goliathreno 1 year ago
I love how the guys states that we have blackberries and other forms of technology because of competition......he obviously has no clue how IP works, I hate to break it to him, but there is no competition, they get their product and they get a 20 year MONOPOLY.
The best investment we can make is in educating our poor children. Without the society being involved that just can't happen. And when I say society I don't mean local, impoverished and uneducated segment, but society as a whole.
goliathreno 1 year ago
@goliathreno Blackberries are a monopoly? What about iPhones and Droids? You don't consider them competition? Your "it takes a village" approach sounds sweet, but it is really just a means to pass responsibility from parents and educators to society in general. It is the kind of meaningless platitude fitting of BHO. The truth is, without competition, there would be little innovation--no matter how much the teachers' union screams in protest.
fzqlcs 1 year ago
@fzqlcs Yes they are monopolies. Try putting an i-phone out to make Apple compete with you, see what happens. And I'm not talking trademarks, I'm talking patent, use the technology. Same with a blackberry.
The problem with education, vs. countries like Belgium, is that HERE we have a huge population covering a WIDE variety of incomes. Look at the stats: poor people do bad at school, middle income good and high income very good, very few exceptions to this rule.
Belgium has less poverty.
goliathreno 1 year ago
2 thumbs up!
zzx2847 1 year ago
Competition! Competition! Competition! The truth reigns supreme!
totustuus11 1 year ago
If your 12 year old can't spell girl it is not the school's fault. Stossel rules tho.
wheelzwheela 1 year ago
Hey people public schools are a mess and sometimes its the governments fault, and sometimes it is clearly dumb people and dumb families who will still be dumb even if they are sent to private schools. Also someone below me says "abolish the government" , keep in kind people like Ron Paul, are not anarchists, he said so himself, he is not an anrchist
StopFear 1 year ago
@StopFear well then compromise...we don't have to abolish all state schools; but instead of sending tax dollars to schools, send the tax dollars to each child, and let the parent choose where the child is educated. if there are dumb parents, they'll make dumb decisions, and get poor results. if their only option is to wise up they will be forced to, not by government, but by reality.
andristic 1 year ago
You've got to overcome an extremely powerful Teacher's Union.
Good luck on that one.
cloudberry121 1 year ago
Abolish the government, yo
theVAGINAntichrist 1 year ago
"Parents have all kinds of choices when it comes to picking our kids food, their clothing, their toys, all sorts of things..."
Don't worry, the governement is working on ways to fix that problem to.
scrappmutt2 1 year ago 3
My life long pursuit of information and knowledge has benefitted me far more than any public education indoctrination camp Ive ever attended.
And no one was there trying to take my lunch money with a 45.
espada9 1 year ago 2
In my school they actually do review the teachers once a year. Still I am a very privileged person
dukee155 1 year ago
Not that I'm insinuating anything specific, but I don't get why the people who lose it, fly into IRS office buildings, or shoot up a place before getting taken out by SWAT or police don't target the few people on the top. If you've gone off the deep end, at least do us all a favor and take out an IRS commissioner, big business lobbyist, union boss, Congressman, etc.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago 2
government monopolies are the worst, most inefficient and cruel of all. And its done under the false guise it being for the so called public good...sad....
trekkerperson 1 year ago 6
Replace "Teacher" with "Doctor", replace "Student" with "Patient", and you have a glimpse of government run health care in the US.
Regardless of the "right or wrong" on principle arguments to government health care, the fact is clear- our government is woefully ineffective at such tasks. It has clearly demonstrated that fact.
It is the rare individual that says "I do not NEED to work hard and excel, but I will anyway." Those folks are working in the private sector- really producing.
1RationalMind 1 year ago 6
The public school systems are the worst. The few teachers and students who do excel within them do so in spite of the school system.
ConcernedAmericans 1 year ago
The whole reason that we don't have vouchers is because of the teacher's union lobby. They are literally robbing the future of our country. I think there is a place for a politician to get elected simply by running against teachers unions.
BigPurple121 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 "I think there is a place for a politician to get elected simply by running against teachers unions."
Not a chance. Keep in mind the American electorate was educated by the unions so they are too dumb to know why the teachers union is bad for us. I mean... they were foolish enough to vote Obama into office, weren't they?
Tidoublemy 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO! So true! And the same goes for healthcare! We NEED competition!
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
I'm just glad you left ABC they suck. Stossel rocks
jsh78mang 1 year ago
the beer, chocolates and ability to speak several languages is deffo better in belgium! ; ) i agree with John 100%
cloeda 1 year ago
Calling them what they are, "government schools", goes a long way in understanding what's going on here. They function to serve the government's interest rather then the public.
carcabe 1 year ago
fuck yeah john stossel
asdfgasdfasdful 1 year ago
@asdfgasdfasdful hahaha This obviously doesn't sit well with teachers' union!
fzqlcs 1 year ago
Stossel droppin' bombs!
boxant 1 year ago
Right on the money. John hits it once again.
drkangravewing 1 year ago 2
His episodes are improving every time. Great topic.
They should check out Sweden as well, they have a really cool voucher program going on.
Sondre7 1 year ago 3
@Sondre7 Hell, all over Europe and various other industrialized places, including many developing ones, if I recall, they have lots of school choice, many good private schools AND schools run for profit by companies that can provide efficiency and competition. If they can do it, why can't we? If they HAVE done but are still very liberal overall, why hasn't America come its senses? It's pretty ridiculous.
whoo689 1 year ago 2
As if I needed another reason to want to dismantle public education...
Make education a 100% free market: Get the government out of it entirely.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago 42
@Surhotchaperchlorome
You would see the best education in the world if the free market was providing, and competing, for the school dollars
phantomcharger 1 year ago
@Surhotchaperchlorome You got it - best thing America could do right now.
lenny380 1 year ago
@Surhotchaperchlorome Even though I agree with you. America is too far into its government help to do anything.
cwood4ever 5 months ago
@cwood4ever So you advocate just giving up and letting it all go down the drain? That's not the attitude that created the US.
ElJefer 2 months ago
I don't call them State Indoctrination Camps for nothing. :P
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago 32