Why I Don't Support Enlistment in the US Military

[holiness1031]

@11B0304@11B0304: If you want proof, please see the description of my video. I cite 10 links, which together are only a sampling of the evidence.

Why not begin with video footage of American soldiers mowing down civilians with machine guns? Click on the fourth link down from the top for that one.

[longcountdown]

Great video. Very well explained.

[SoutHcouGars2010]

Another fucking idiot. I'm done ranting about how stupid both of you are, it's pointless.

[Jeda624]

Holiness?!? Please don't tell me after the holiness denomination ..ugh

[holiness1031]

@Jeda624: No, I don't know what denomination ur referring to.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 ive watched your pathetic video seversl times and have shown it to many of my friends and family. theyve all said that youre full of shit and your facts arent justifiable. should we stop "participating" in wars, the invasion of our country would be inevitable. its because we are participating and have bases all over the world, that we havent been already and our retaliation for 9/11 has been so severe.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: Like I point out in my video, other countries don't invade and occupy Arab nations, yet Al-Quada hasn't been attacking them. So you have it backwards. They wouldn't invade us if we stopped invading them. They attack us precisely because we invade them.

Notice how I prove that you don't have to invade other countries to prevent being invaded by naming other countries that have done so. Notice also that you cite no evidence for your assumption that we'd "inevitably" be invaded.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: And how are my facts not justifiable? Can you name one?

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 meaning we cant neutralise the threat until we get fired on first. there have been some instances where an accident has occurred, one being the sniper shooting a civilian that had entered a military base without authorization. accidents commited by soldiers have been the cause of maybe a thousand civilian deaths, which isnt good, but its not as bad as what you and libertychicklive have been saying.

[Clonies]

Next time I deliver I speech, I'm going to keep looking down instead of at the audience.

[holiness1031]

@Clonies: I say in my description I'm reading an essay I had just written.

[Jazziefresh89]

If it funny that you said that we shouldnt be mad at her, we should direct our anger to these big corporations. But clearly bashed the entire military, for fight a war that we have no control over. Maybe you should have thought about that before you said something

[Jazziefresh89]

@Jazziefresh89 *it is

[11B0304]

@Jazziefresh89 that sucks...

[Jazziefresh89]

@11B0304 Yeah tell me about it lol. but no hard feelings from it 

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: The point is that you do have control over whether you participate. You can conscientiously refuse and join Veterans Against the War.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031

It is Veteran's "AGAINST THE WAR" Not Veteran's Bashing other Veteran's. And like I ask the other girl. Have you enlisted? Have you had boots on ground over there? Have you had extremist target you with bombs strapped to their children? Until you can fully say that you have experienced this actions, then you can not judge me nor my fellow brothers and sisters in arms

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: No, I have not enlisted. Because as I argue in my video, to do so is morally unacceptable.

Your logic is like saying: "Have you ever raped a woman or molested children? Until you have, then you can not judge those who do."

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 And no it is not because rapist is a totally different subject and a horrible crime....I didnt even watch you video for the simple fact that you judge this group of people that you know absolutely nothing about. You do not why each and everyone of us enlisted. Yes you have your opinion. But why be prejudice? you and her are the same. you would rather just then get to know some veteran that have been over there, or even active duty personnel

[Jazziefresh89]

@Jazziefresh89 excuse the typos

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: Killing thousands of people, including women and children, is a worse crime than rape. And that's what you're contributing to by serving in the U.S. military.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 Yes killing of innocent people has happened and it will happen in every war, not just this one. On 9/11 innocent people that was just going to work as normal was killed, but you are mad at our military.

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: Killing of innocent people in a war won't happen if the soldiers refuse to fight in the war. If you and enough other soldiers refused to serve to make the maintenance of the war impossible, then the innocent people wouldn't be killed. And thousands of Iraqis and Afghans have been killed just going to work or playing i front of their house. If 9/11 seems to evil to you when it killed only 3,000 people, then you should be really offended at these wars.

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: The Arabs on the planes didn't organize 9/11. They just carried out the orders. By carrying out the orders to fight these wars, you and your fellow soldiers are no better than they are. Worse, since many times the number of Iraqi and Afghan civilians have been killed.

And my point was to refute your argument that I can't say it's wrong if I haven't been over there killing people. It's like saying you can't say rape or murder is wrong unless you've done it.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 yours points are completely unfounded. not every military enlistee joins to kill women and children. in fact, none of us do, and to think that is fucking stupid. obviously there is no point in trying to tell you that because you ARE fucking stupid. people die in war, it happens, and a complete lack of participation throughout the entire military isnt going to stop the unfortunate end of civilians. it will, however, enhance the death toll. so admit you knoww NOTHING about us and

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 what we do/did, so shut your damn mouth until you have knowledge from a personal stand-point which i dont ever think will happen because youre too comfortable hiding behind a computer screen to do something better with your life instead of wasting what was given to you at the cost of the lives of my brothers and sisters in arms. bash us all you fcking want, the point is, we stand for your right to do so. it makes no difference to me personally what my superior's superior's gain

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 from my service becase i enlisted for my country and IT'S people and the fact that my families blood has stained the field of battle for 4 generations and it is my duty to them to answer the call, just like them. i dont plan on killing someone, but if it comes down to it, and its my life or the life of my squad or the life of a terrorist, i will double tap him OR her to save my life, and the life of my friends and their families. will i ruin someones life by doing so? yes.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 will it forever be on my conscience? yes. and will i regret it? absolutely. but my kids will have their father and my wife will have her husband, and the families of my comrades will be happy because i pulled the trigger that they get to see their sons and daughters again. im hoping you can see my points, and i wont have to spell them out for your ignorant, ungrateful, unpatriotic fuckin ass.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: I'm not saying let yourself be killed after you get over there. I'm saying don't go over there in the first place and don't put yourself in that position. If enough soldiers had the courage to refuse to participate in these wars, tens of thousands of loves would be saved, and the American people, economy, and its international standing would be MUCH better off. See my video for the explanation how, or stop commenting on videos you obviously haven't watched.

[holiness1031]

@holiness1031: *lives*

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: You say: "I didnt even watch your video for the simple fact that you judge this group of people that you know absolutely nothing about." How do you not see the irony in your sentence? You don't know how much I do or don't know, because you haven't watched the video. Not that kept you from commenting anyway, and making arguments I had already refuted in my video.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 I dont have to watch the video. Your first sentence said it all. You said that we shouldnt be mad at her, but instead at these big corporations. Did you not? And i said well then why is she mad at us (US Military) when she should be mad at these same corporations. And then you started an argument with me.

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: In answer to your question, she's mad at you because you carry out the orders of the corporations to invade and occupy other countries, kill thousands of innocent people, and steal their resources. So she's mad at the corporations, but also at you. Like you are mad at Al-quaida, and also at the Arabs on the 9/11 planes that carried out the orders.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 Yes I am mad at Al-Queda just like every other American, they attacked our land. Am I mad at the race in a whole? NO. Please answer me this: If these here soldiers you are speaking of do refuse to fight refuse to carry out orders. Then what then happens to our country??? Let me tell you..Other countries are going to view the United States as weak and undisciplined, and the after that they are going to start attacking us........comtinued

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: They only attacked our land to get us out of theirs. We attacked them first, and they retaliated. We've been the aggressors since the 50's. How'd u feel if they had bases on our soil? See my video.

What would happen to our country if enough soldiers refused would be a huge improvement. They would stop attacking us, because they wouldn't have a reason to anymore. And our economy, international standing, and military families would all profoundly improve. See my video.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 It is amazing that you said that we are the aggressors when we were giving the weapons to fight off their enemies. That doesnt sound aggressive to me, that sounds like helping. And from what i understand there werent any military bases in Iraq pre war maybe an embassy but no base. so there for that was irrelevent. And I think that your are very naive to think that they would just stop attacking us. I mean what world to you live in?

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: We are the aggressors because we invaded, occupied, and ruled under martial law. And we gave "them" (the American-installed puppet regime) weapons with which to help us fight those who resisted our conquest. It was to help fight OUR enemies, not the Arab people's.

Bush has already admitted there was no evidence linking Iraq with 9-11. So even were it true we had no bases in Iraq, that would be irrelevant.

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 We are the most powerful nation on the planet, and once they see that I nation's defense is deteriorating they are going to view it as a golden oppurtunity to attack. Because we will not have a good defense strategy. Sweetie it is more to it then just having the soldier rebel. Do you really think that having our country appear weak, that other countries are going to be like "Aww Poor America, we should take pity on them and not attack" BS. Cause it wont happen

[holiness1031]

@Jazziefresh89: Actually, that's exactly what happened when the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Al-quaida stopped its "terrorist" attacks.

But you seem to assume if we're not occupying other countries we'll be seen as so weak that we can't defend our own. It takes a lot fewer soldiers to defend our own borders. If enough refused to invade, our gov. would stop doing it. And there would still be plenty to defend our borders IF someone attacked us despite our no longer being in their country.

[mralanv]

@Jazziefresh89 That's paranoia. America has crashed itself because of the high expenditures on the war. I doubt any country would invade the USA.

[Jazziefresh89]

@mralanv Dude this conversation is dead -_-

[Jazziefresh89]

@holiness1031 And then after that we are back at war. And guess what? Innocent people are going to get hurt. It's war sweetie, innocent lives are going to be lost on both sides. That can simply not be avoided. But it is people like you that do not get that. I joined the Army, not to kill, but to help. We trained their military, we trained their police force, we trained their medical personnel. I help deliever their babies, and treat their children's wounds. its not all evil

[11B0304]

@Jazziefresh89 HOOAH!!!

[Jazziefresh89]

@11B0304 Good Hooah or bad Hooah??? lol

[11B0304]

@Jazziefresh89 good hooah. lol im in the us army.

[Jazziefresh89]

@11B0304 LOL okay. That word can mean too many different things

[11B0304]

@Jazziefresh89 yea i know. lol did you serve?

[Jazziefresh89]

@11B0304 Yes, I did 4 1/2 years, i am getting medically chaptered. I would do more if it was my choice

[11B0304]

@Jazziefresh89 whatchya gettin out on medical for? if you dont mind my asking... lol

[Jazziefresh89]

@11B0304 Injury to my pelvis iN iraq

[suchbullshit]

....The US Government and media has inflated yet another bubble, but this one needs to pop in order to benefit the American citizens: the ego and logic of the American soldier. Yet again, good riddance during the inevitable 'natural selection' process.



[edwardd6681]

fuck the troops

[coconut390]

You make some good points but dont be naive radical extremists do exist. And they do want us exterminated.

[MrTaloul]

nice video but i would like to debate you...there are points i agree with and points that I disagree with u

[holiness1031]

@MrTaloul: Debate away. But I'll wait until after my finals next week to respond.



[11B0304]

@holiness1031 you said "german soldiers under the third reich..." saying that i dont know my history, proves that you dont. dip shit. your pretty vocabulary doesnt impress or intimidate me, i'll have you know. and the college education you spent so much money on doesnt recieve any justice for the pathetic, extremist veiws you so repeat on a site like youtube. unto you sir,i give the advice of grow up, and stop playing your childish games on the internet.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: Exactly. I said "german soldiers under the third reich." That's not Nazis. The Nazis were the ruling party. German soldiers under them, most of them anyway, were not Nazis. So the historical inaccuracy remains your sir. And maybe you should take your own advice.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 i mean, do you really think that whining and accusing every soldier in the military of the slaughter of innocents is either morally correct or even plausible? more than half of us never see combat,and those that do regret every time they have to end a life. perhaps you should apologize to me and every soldier you meet, unless they have, indeed, been accused by a higher power of murdering the helpless. what you are saying holds nowater at all.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: It is morally correct and plausible, because the thousands of people our military has killed is only made possible by the participation of the soldiers. If enough of you joined Veterans Against the War, or simply refused to participate any further, then these wars and the thousands of civilians being killed by American soldiers couldn't continue.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 indeed it wouldnt, however, what you are obviously forgetting is that without me and the rest of our military at least present, that is, existing, other countries would assault our nation and many American civilians would perish. bitch and complain about what actions we SUPPOSEDLY commit over seas, and come up with outlandish stories of malicious and brutal things we so love to do, but remember, we ARE a necessary entity for our country to still be that, OUR country.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: I never said that we shouldn't have a military or that our military shouldn't be utilized DEFENSIVELY if necessary. My entire video was against serving in invasive and occupying campaigns like our foreign policy of the past 60 years. Every country has a right to defend itself. No country has a right to set up bases in other countries and militarily dominate it. If one did that to us, we'd have right to attack that country in self-defense. Likewise, they had a right to attack us.

[TheKuomintang]

Great upload! You just gotta luv all the "patriots" raging in the comments section.

Hurr!!! if you don't support the war, you're not American, durr!!!

Please keep speaking your mind on these topics and never

let the ignorant masses keep you silent!

[holiness1031]

@NoFlowButStillBro: Yes you do.

[holiness1031]

@NoFlowButStillBro: Yes you do.

[russ805]

i dont know anyone who joined to be a hero. just sayin. and as one of the great thinkers once said "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

[holiness1031]

@russ805: Plato is the bomb. Thanks for the quote.

[TheBmburton0204]

You are a reject and need to go hang your self

[holiness1031]

@TheBmburton0204: Thanks for supporting my position that those who support our troops support death. Even if you didn't realize it when you typed your hateful comment.

[OSHJE]

How about this, War happens fact of life. But what would happen if America didn't have any troops at all, America would no longer exsist beacuse no one can change the fact that war has always and will always happen no matter how much most people dislike war. I support my troops for the simple fact that, they do infact die for me so I can have freedom and this country.

[breakingelite2011]

great job!

[badzulu44]

@11B0304 Give me one good reason why the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a good idea.

[11B0304]

@badzulu44 war is never a good idea, but it happens, and people like me answer the call that most don't. don't hide behind your extreme points of veiwing war. so long as there is man, there will be war... so long as there is war, there will be soldiers. and yes, people get killed, did you expect anything else? for if you did, then there is no hope for you and people like you.

[11B0304]

@badzulu44 and as for a peaceful solution to wars and killing, there wont ever be one. people have ideas and beliefs, other people don't like theres beliefs or ideas. they keep pushing one another until it leads to violence. so it has been, and so shall it remain. its not something any one person or group can fix. it requires full cooperation throughout the world, which is something we will never achieve, at least not in our life time, so stop whining becase its not going to change a damn thing.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: If you were a hero, you would "fight" against the corporations puppeteering our government to start and maintain these wars. Like other former U.S. soldiers and members of Veterans Against the War are doing. You have answered the call in the same way way that the German soldiers under the Third Reich and British soldiers under King George III did. By helping the imperialist oppressor kill thousands of innocent people, you are no more innocent than they were. less so in fact, because 

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: (cont.) unlike them , you have the internet and other ways of much more easily accessing information to learn the injustice of the side you're fighting on.

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 so... did your mommy compose that essay for you, because only a stupid fuck with down syndrome would compare me and my brothers and sisters in uniform similar to the nazi's... or perhaps you know jack shit about history? if you did, in fact, write your own paper, then you seem intelligent and should stop making yourself look like a moron on youtube. im done trying to show you the illogical shit youre spewing is just that, shit. if you want to live a life taking things for granted

[11B0304]

@holiness1031 go ahead, thats your right. but know that it was given to you by the soldiers that came before me, and all of us serving now. ignorance is not the way to a happy life my friend.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: I wrote the essay. Your assumption I didn't parallels your presumption that my freedom has any connection to your helping kill innocent people in Iraq/Afghanistan.

The way I compared you to German soldiers and Redcoats was your "helping the imperialist oppressor kill thousands of innocent people." It's not stupid to see that parallel, it's stupid not to.

I never said Nazis. I said German soldiers. Ironically, by conflating the two, you demonstrate your own ignorance of history.

[11B0304]

you are quite an ignorant guy, you know that? soldiers go to war and kill people because its their job. people like you piss me off because you take liberty for granted and bash the military that has protected the rights you now abuse for over 200 years. people like you should be set up infront of a firing squad for being so dumb and unpatriotic. if you hate my country this bad, leave. no one is stopping you.

[holiness1031]

@11B0304: Either you're being stubborn, or you didn't actually watch my video. Because in it I gave an argument against every assertion/argument you just made. You haven't responded to any of them.

As for the subject of leaving, most Americans do not support these wars and would favor the immediate return of our troops. And thousands of Americans agree with everything I said. If you hate what so many Americans believe so bad, leave. No one is stopping you.

Hypocrite.

[Wowzer33]

Dear Carlo I have watched your video, now you must read my rules of life. P.s. you pretty much said almost everything I think right so we are mind-twins.

[dachozen109]

@civilwarcow what are you talking about? very unchristian? this is coming from a religion that says, burn witches(now known as homeopathic medicine), and its ok to stone your children to death for not listening to you, bravo for understanding your religion.

[NCCJared724]

General Electric and Raytheon own NBC and they promoted the war. Boycott NBC!

[holiness1031]

@civilwarcow: Again, she said "OR." And yes, she was challenging them to stop killing innocent people. A challenge that I agree needs to be made. Because the war-profiteering corporations aren't going to stop the killing until enough soldiers start refusing to serve. And she was also challenging the nation as a whole to recognize the truth about these wars and the immorality of serving in them. Because we all have a role to play in stopping them.

[upshot13]

nice job yo!

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Now your post is a lot more refreshing to read and I can agree with you on those aspects. In regards to you and civilwarcow's is she was speaking her mind but was saying some of statistics that were off and once again she was generalizing our military as a whole,which is wrong in every way.

[holiness1031]

@civilwarcow:(cont.) If more people protested, resigned from the military, refused to enlist and encouraged their loved ones to do the same, thousands of American, Iraqi, and Afghan lives could be saved as well.

You see, Jesus really offended people. Because telling the truth is extremely offensive when people love a lie.

[holiness1031]

@civilwarcow: (cont.)

And while I do not know her heart, challenging thousands of people to consider the justice of these wars and the immorality of serving in them was a very Christian thing to do. Vietnam finally ended when enough people were willing to do that. And that ultimately saved thousands of lives.

[holiness1031]

@civilwarcow: (cont.)

As for your diagnosis of her mental condition, I'm guessing you're not a psychiatrist.

[holiness1031]

@civilwarcow: She said soldiers are dumb OR evil OR morally compromised. That is, one of the three, not all three. And she defends that statement. These wars are unjustly killing thousands of people, and aren't benefitting anyone except a relatively very small number of corporate executives. So, as I would put it in my own words, there seem to be only three logical possibilities:

[holiness1031]

(cont.)

1) they are too unintelligent to realize this and too unintelligent to know how to do research; OR

2) they are too lazy/apathetic to do the research to find out; OR

3) they realize what they are perpetrating but don't care because they're that evil.

I also have not been able to think of a fourth possibility. And I agree with her that given what our soldiers are perpetrating, it is no more honorable or heroic to be a US soldier than it is a German soldier during WWII.

[holiness1031]

@holiness1031 Let me change #3 to "morally compromised" instead of evil. What they're doing is evil, but I would like to change my wording to morally compromised.

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Yes like my job I'm a Aerospace and control warning systems tech and I work with technology only, only time you have a combat role in the air force is if you're in spec ops, security forces, aerial gunner, or a bomber/fighter pilot and it's the same with navy The only branch that does that is the marine core because you're infantry first and your job is second. I would love you video if you said you don't support enlisting in combat roles during are current occupation.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: How's this for respecting distinctions? Every civilian should avoid enlisting, except for the Coast Guard bc the CG is dedicated exclusively to saving lives. Medics and those exclusively involved in non-violent rescue operations are excepted for the same reason.

To those already enlisted, everyone involved in combat roles should resign because it is now evident that these wars are murderous. And murder is no more justified by following orders than it was for the WWII Germans.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: Those already enlisted who are NOT involved in combat roles, should organize to protest how the military they work for is being used. Striking/resigning would be the most effective form that protest could take. But I’m calling for organization first, as collective strikes/resignations will be much more effective. But the peace effort is going to require more than just combat soldiers putting their foot down, especially since (historically) not nearly all of them will.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: In the same way, I want civilians to organize to refuse to pay their taxes. I would refuse to pay mine and suffer the consequences if only 1,000 other people would do it with me and agree to march/publicize why we are refusing.

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Yes they do but the number are small for actual combat roles and people who actually do the bombings. Since you said you know by the people who carry it out that proves my overall point that not everyone is conducting killings within the military. To answer your question about dropping bombs would be no because there are less than 10 jobs within the air force that conduct actual killings.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: (Quick aside question): When you join any of the branches besides the Coast Guard as a soldier, can you be guaranteed that you won't be ordered to participate in a combat role?

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Did not see your question because you directed it at yourself but will gladly answer it. I would say yes they should refrain from entering combat roles within the military(infantry,security forces, spec ops, etc) and Yes they should resign at first chance but how do you know who is being used by corporations? Also don't forget about the Air Force, most of the air force is technical and not combat. I'll also retract my navy part because they do carry marines to the fight.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: R u saying the AF does not fly from aircraft carriers or bases in the ME?

As for your question, the way I know is that they are the ones who carry it out. But not the coast guard, and if your answer to my question is yes(and that's true), not the AF either. And if your answer is yes, could you be ordered to go drop aerial bombs in other countries?

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Advocating for our military is great but you're making generalizations that every member of the military is being used by corporations. It;s just like saying you support military occupation because you pay taxes. You should at least specify what branch or branches of enlistment you don't support. Coast Guard, Navy, Air force, and the national are prime examples of military units that don't to extensive amounts of fighting or operations in the middle east.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX : You didn't answer my questions. But I'll still reply to your post by saying I'm not talking about the Coast Guard. But enlisting in the Coast Guard doesn't mean being willing to be a killer for a government that has already proven itself criminally and murderously imperialist. But since you now remind me that the Coast Guard is considered military, I'll concede to you that I should have added them to medics as another exception.

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 I understand that fully but you should pick your wording a little more carefully. You should at least say you don't like the way are military is being used by corporations. You shouldn't bash people for wanting to enlist to serve their country . Let's just stop it at it's source by not paying taxes. Would you support your cause fully to stop paying taxes for the well being of others?

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: Yes, in answer to your question. And in answer to your preceding sentences, I say in my video in quite clear terms that I don't like the way our military is used by corporations. And I don't see myself as bashing them, I begin by advocating for them. But I also call them to recognize that they are NOT serving their country, for the many reasons I say in the video. So if that was the whole reason they enlisted, recognizing the truth should make them want to withdraw. 

[holiness1031]

@holiness1031: Unless, of course, they're not in it serve their country, but for profit. Which I'm told by my friends in the military is the case with 90% of them. But whatever their reasons for being in it, how do they not have a moral obligation to get out or refrain from enlisting if what they're being used by these corporations to do is criminal and immoral? If the invading foreign power described in my video was killing your family members, wouldn't you think their soldiers should resign?

[XBlackcheezeX]

@holiness1031 Depressing to hear this with all the military personnel who do actually serve our country. USAF Radar operator here and I watch the borders of the USA.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX: Defending our borders is exactly what our military is supposed to do. Unfortunately, that's not what we've been doing in these wars. These corporations won't withdraw as long as we keep enabling them. Enough soldiers refusing would be a big if not necessary part of the peace movement. That would serve our country more than the alternative. And as a soldier, you have to be willing to go kill others defending their borders, and you shouldn't be.

[holiness1031]

@XBlackcheezeX : (Cont.) So if you and enough others resign and refuse to enlist, we can change our foreign policy so that our military is only used for defense and aggression, like it should be. And its not like you'd be putting the US at danger by resigning. Our gov will fold long before every last soldier defending us has resigned, or enough of them to render us incapable of defending ourselves.

[holiness1031]

@holiness1031: *defense and not aggression*

[Bishopsvoice]

Interesting that only between 50-60% of eligible American voters actually vote. Why not sort out democracy back home before you try and sort it out overseas! Hypocrisy.

[holiness1031]

@Bishopsvoice: Even if every American voted, we still wouldn't have a democracy. The choice between corporate henchmen #'s 1, 2, and 3 is not a choice. Sure, we get to pick the guy whose smile we like the best. But we don't get a say in our policy. Not when it costs over 100 million to be a viable candidate for the presidency, and only those who serve the mega-corporations can raise that because those companies can afford the multi-million $ contributions.

[holiness1031]

@ReignbowSmite: The phrase is "well regulated Militia," and having one is protected by the 2nd Am. But the Constitution doesn't say the people have a responsibility to overthrow bad government. The Dec. of Indep. however, does say that when people find themselves under a despotic/abusive government: "It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[seonidh]

Soldiers are cannon fodder enough said. How many rich people send their sons and daughters out to die.

[Mattyb88ful]

What about the moral ramifications of living in the US and paying taxes that fund the 'US war machine'?

[holiness1031]

@Mattyb88ful: I, for one, would like to see civilian Americans collectively refusing to pay their taxes, in addition to other forms of protest. This requires organization, and before that the calls to organize. A good subject for a later video.

[RangerMcFriendlie]

Outstanding!

[Relativisticism]

Ive been saying this for 10 years and every time I said it I got shit for it. Funny how the truth takes so long for people to fucking realize.

[doit420sdf]

Everything you said is the absolutely the truth. Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough approach, I know that you laboured over every word.

[SkidRowRadio]

wow, this video was absolutely perfect. faved, tweeted, featured.

[mojosideburns]

first video??????? You got to make more, this is truly amazing. Heartfelt and articulate. Love it.

[HorrorIllogium]

Great first video!

[dannypantsgm]

Booya sir. Right on the $