ROMANS 1:16-32 shows that EVERYONE KNOWS that God exists + that belief in God is not blind faith but a mixture of what is tangible + observable + faith. The above Scripture is a case in point. The reality is that as a Christian my remit from God is 2 let ppl know about Jesus Christ the Saviour who died 4 our sins. GENESIS chapters 1,2+3 explain where original sin came from + how Jesus has rectified this. The ppl who "demand" proof the loudest r the very ppl who refuse 2 c the sin in their lives.
@jmdnarri U seem 2 think that Christians don't think 4 themselves. How wrong! Christians have thought about what God's Word says + taken a hard look at ourselves + decided 2 repent of sin + receive Jesus as Lord + Saviour. U can listen 2 what God's Word says + act on it or u can stay blind + face Jesus on Judgement Day...
@The3in1trinity No actually, your words just illustrate how brainwashed you are and how you don't evaluate the situation for yourself. What solidified my mind that I could never be a Christian was nothing more than reading the Bible. That book illustrates a God that shows no respect for the lives or suffering of the sentient beings he brought into this world, but you people are so brainwashed, you are like abused wives making excuses for why the abuse is your own fault.
@jmdnarri What IS the "situation" i should evaluate that u r referring 2? Y didn't elaborate. Clearly i use the brain that God has given me, looked at what God's Word says+come 2 the conclusion that Jesus IS my Saviour. It appears that u r the 1 who hasn't taken the time 2 think about sin or believe u r a "good person" +there4 don't need a Saviour. The reality is that it's ppl who deny the obvious fact that God exists who live in denial+can't face the truth. ONLY JESUS 4GIVES SINS+SAVES SOULS!!!
@The3in1trinity If you are not just being a Poe, please leave a comprehensive post that shows you are capeable of thinking outside of biblical passages. The Bible can not prove its self into reality. A passage stating "people will doubt the words of Jesus" does not prove it to be devine, it just shows that the authors knew some people would be smart enough to see through it, and some would be dumb enough to fall for it.
@dragonbesas10 BULLSHIT. Of course you are; if you were not, you'd shut the fuck up, because there is NO REASON to try to convince me a god exists otherwise.
Oh, and by the way...learn to use the fucking 'REPLY' button...or you're blocked. I'm sick of this.
@BionicDance Omgosh I'm not haha. If you want to believe I am then ok. And it's so sad you too scared to listen to my proof and block me. Shame...the lesson is bigger than you'll ever know.
@BionicDance lol so you must also be someone who believed we never landed on the moon and 9/11 is a conspiracy and osamas still alive am i right? this type of thinking is plaguing the world resulting in misinformed and stupid children.. you are the creation of the spread of this because you say science is fact. while it may be please explain to me what quantum physics is.that is a science but its a theory. 2+2 =4 only if you use the proper numerical values assigned and agreed on but the majority
@BionicDance i guess ill play devils advocate, what definitive proof do you have besides media coverage and biased testimony... two things that you seem to be against. your logic is flawed.
@xCyanide37x I don't DO "Devil's Advocate" conversations, kiddo. If you've got a case to make...make it. But I'm not going to play games and be put on the spot for your amusement.
@BionicDance well you are putting yourself up for my amusement when you put these types of claims on youtube.. lol my stance is that whatever someone believes in is there view.. and another thing was that you backed off my previous comment showing weakness which makes me think i have you a little tongue tied amirite?
@xCyanide37x No, i just more than a little bit suspect you of being a troll. You're CLEARLY spoiling for an argument, even if your intentions aren't to be an asshole; you're trying to be challenging not because you hold a different view for which you'd like to advocate, but rather you're arguing just to argue.
i have no interest in that; if you don't want to have an HONEST exchange of ideas, this can be over VERY fast.
@BionicDance you have no interest in debate? my views are the medium between yours and that of a christian. i am neither against nor for religion. i make the argument to anyone who claims they know the correct answer to this solution. religion is a part of human history. the "theory" of evolution is still only a theory with no definitive proof that can be said 100%, neither can faith. the reason faith is stronger is because although its not 100% those who have it are 100% sure it exists.
@xCyanide37x Anyone who says that the theory of evolution (genetic/biological) is "just a theory", isn't worth debating because they have consistantly proven to be too dumb to not shit on the toilet seat while shitting. Are you willing to debate with a four year old on a topic like macro economics? I thought so...
@xCyanide37x What media coverage is there out there that is evidence for God? In addition since noone KNOWS who wrote the Bible, the Bible does not count as eyewitness testimony.
@dragonbesas10 "sigh" Self righteous much? Look up the dunning-kruger effect (thank you Theramintrees!). It explains your condition perfectly. And promise me that, afterwards, you never return in public with your digital noice again.
You know what would happen if no theist ever claimed god DOES exist? Nothing. It'd be a non-issue.
But you DO claim that a god exists...and then don't back if up with facts. I'm NOT obligated to believe you...and I don't. And WON'T, not until you produce EVIDENCE THAT BACKS UP YOUR CLAIM.
That's not an argument from ignorance, that's basic logic. An argument asserted without evidence can be discarded in the same manner.
Ok...I will say this: You are fine with what you don't believe in, I already said that. But you have no justification in pointing out that my belief is unfounded with such a weak argument.
Try to read what I'm actually saying, I know it's hard..
I don't care what your beliefs are, but at least make a LOGICAL argument. If anything, check your facts and educate yourself on reasonable and valid points. I'm not trying to convert you.
I'm not all about converting atheists. It's fine what you believe or don't, but at least be smart about it. This video as well as most of your others are just, sad. Theres no logical basis in every single video. I'm all about having an open mind, of which you lack I might add. I have no problem with you making videos voicing your opinion. I have a problem with you being so closed minded and dumb about it. Open your eyes Kiddo, you can't even produce empirical, objective, scientific evidence.
If this is all it takes to convince you atheists a God doesn't exist...then I'd love to have 5 minutes of your time to give a 10x stronger argument as to why God does exist
@dragonbesas10 Unless you can produce empirical, objective, scientific evidence that god exists, you will find ZERO success in converting most atheists, kiddo.
You are stupid and ignorant. This video is describing "faith" in sociological terms, as opposed to faith in the religious sense. I have no problem with people believing or not believing...I USED to be an atheist at one point....but at least I was smart about it. I read the bible and educated myself instead of making up crap and posting it without a shred of logical support....I mean really? Why do y'all believe in all this?
It's that simple. You're believing in god FOR NO GOOD REASON.
If you think otherwise, and if you think that belief in something that affects SO MUCH of life for no good reason isn't utterly chowderheaded...well, then I'm not the one who is stupid and ignorant, kiddo.
Why does she do what she does? Go to whywontgodhealamputeesDOTcom/forums and click "General Religious Discussion". Then, click the topic "Kcrady - old school". Then, scroll down to Reply #14 and read it.
@TheJesusKey The difference is I put faith in things I have reasonable expectations for. 2,000 year old belief system that needs its defenders to change their arguments as time goes on vs a person in a relationship? No comparison. Christians do have blind faith btw. They believe what those before them believe and so on based on nothing but a book that consists of hearsay. If your belief had any truth, there wouldn't so many demoninations fighting over which one got it right.
Faith without medicine? there was discussion on how knowledge was given for people to think and to do things to treat themselves. I agree with your arguement that you need to think and not just believe everything that is said. that is why we have wisdom. I also respect free will. Individuals have the right to believe, live and do as they please as long as it doesn't cause harm.
@TheJesusKey People get jobs and find love every day. Is everyone you know unemployed? Have you never met someone who is happily married? We KNOW these things happen, we see them happen all around us.
Has anyone ever even once shown Gods existence??
There is a HUGE difference between being hopeful and having blind faith.
In my natal city, a very religious one btw, there is a wide spread saying, everytime you refuse to do something, no matter how insignificant it is, they call you bad faith (original: mala fe).
I was called that way in high school when i refuse to lend money to a kid that i barely knew.
@TheJesusKey Actually I would go to a food bank if I had no food or money. And you seem to be implying that even though I know numerous atheist who donate both time and money to charities, that without belief in Jesus, no christians (or at least significantly fewer) would bother to help their fellow man. If you are not saying this, then churches helping people reduces to people helping people and the religious aspect of it becomes 100% unnecessary.
"Atheists are SO arrogant. You think you know EVERYTHING. You'd have to know EVERYTHING to say there's NO GOD!"
"I don't believe in fairies. Do you think I'm arrogant, or do you agree?"
"Fairies are SO different! How do you explain consciousness, morality, irreducible complexity, fine-tuning..."
"That's special pleading. But my point is you're fine saying things don't exist. Some of those have explanations, but if you don't know it, it must be god? It's like you know EVERYTHING!"
The difference between faith and gullibility is that people usually learn quickly to not be gullible (unless they're George McFly or Joxer the Mighty). Faith is terminal.
@TheJesusKey Right, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist if it has no scientific evidence. It just means that there is no good reason to believe it does exist. And the likelihood of existence is negligibly small until something demonstrable is put forth.
@TheJesusKey No matter how nice or heroic someone is, it doesn't verify their beliefs. If someone was the most moral, selfless person in the entire world, and they believed 2+2=5, they'd still be wrong. I'm sure millions of people have somehow had their lives improved by some religion, but that doesn't count as evidence for the veracity of that religion.
If one must have faith in order to believe something, or believe in something, then the likelihood of that something having any truth or value is considerably diminished. -Christopher Hitchens
@TheJesusKey The use of the term 'reason' is being maligned here. Your talking about moral justifications for accepting the truisms of christ's teachings. This video is talking about having logical, rational, reasons for holding the fundamental belief that any specific god, or gods on general, genuinely exist. Its important to understand the critical difference here. A fictitious story can have a good moral lesson, but that is not a reason to accept the story as Truth.
"his is why we Christians could never have a rational discussion with you atheists"
No, this is why you christian could never have a rational discussion at all. You believe in things for no good reason. Why do you miss such a simple concept?
@TBman256 Same here, every time I tell someone about my personal pink unicorn they laugh at me! It's disgusting how blind and ignorant some people can be...
@TBman256 Wooooosh, right over my head!! ;) But you have to admit, your comment could very well have come from a superstitionalist expressing his disgust about this video.
@TheJesusKey But to say that god is the only possibility is absurd. I have a hypothesis that holds just as much weight as you hypothesis. I say that it was aliens from a different dimension that were using a large hardon collider that created this universe.
@TheJesusKey "If faith were so bad then you have NEVER, EVER been in one single relationship with a person.You must have also never filled out a job application or have gone to an interview with the FAITH that you will do a good job and get hired." You're confusing faith with trial and error, a common mistake.
@deepashtray I'd say the confusion re: 'faith' from JesusKey is more akin to mistaking "faith" with trust and confidence.
A person doesnt have 'faith' that they wont get screwed in a reslationship. They have trust based on mutal respect and desire to make it work. A person doesn't have 'faith' an interview will go well, you (hopefully) have self-confidence to make that happen. Neither have anything to do with "faith".
@TheJesusKey - I have been in a relationship. I don't need to rely on faith. I took a chance - not needing faith to do it. Didn't expect anything. Over time, we built trust in our relationship. Based on evidence/reason, as I base all my decisions on. I don't need faith to do a good job and get hired. In fact, I don't know a single job that hires based on faith. They require resumes, references and interviews to try and get an idea of the job you will do - not faith.
What's interesting is, Theists accuse us of thinking the exact same way they do, we take that as a vicious insult, and then they fail to think to themselves that maybe, just maybe, if we take it as an insult when they project their way of thinking on to us, maybe there's something wrong with the way they think.
Faith, n.: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
@TheJesusKey Yes, it's been refuted. Theology is not a real field of study. I don't need to know about unicorns to tell you they don't exist. History has nothing to do with it. Anyway, clearly your definition of "winning a debate" is the first person who throws an insult wins. Very Christian of you.
Blind faith = bad but I put faith in friends with mixed results. This form of faith is called trust but I wouldn't call it blind. I have a basis for that trust and if I take it on faith that a friend will pay me back or help me move then I have an idea about just how much of a leap of faith I am taking. I've loaned money and never been repaid but I knew the risk going in and so when I wasn't paid back I was not surprised. I never enter into blind faith but I trust people I know within reason.
@dodgermutt When you use the word faith in connection with friends, what you mean is trust. This isn't a semantic quibble, at their pure (and correct) definitions faith and trust are two different concepts, but it is in common usage for people to use faith when they really mean trust. It works because we use the context to interpret what the person means. Even most theists understand the difference when someone says "I have faith in my friends" and "I have faith in God".
@amlorusso Just reviewed my comment. I still stand by the context difference between "faith in my fiends/faith in god" but have been reminded that trust still has an element of uncertainty in it. It's still a much better word to use to convey that your expectation is based on reason as opposed to no reason. Having the word 'faith' carry both meanings leads to the important but wasteful time spent on having to when necessary clarify which version we are mean when we use the word faith. Bleh.
@TheJesusKey Personally I see having some faith in your spouse is a good thing. I have faith in the love of my girlfriend for me. Could be that it's misplaced, but I'm not going to force that burden of prove upon her :-P
If that's how you see your relationship with your god, fine.. But like any other relationship (well, some swingers excluded I suppose) it's a personal one. Keep it personal, keep that relationship out of politics, law and schools
@TheJesusKey You're going by it the wrong way. For everything you say about your faith, your religion, we can say something equally unbelievable and unprovable. Going by the logic you and many others take, it's up to YOU to prove to me that whatever unbelievable and unprovable thing I say, is true.
The world doesn't work that way. You claim, you have the burden of proof. Which is why faith is such a stupid thing in almost all cases. Almost yes.. There are exceptions -->
@TheJesusKey HA! you just settled it. "You had faith that your posts have meaning". Clearly I have no hope of getting through your thick skull that blind faith is a bad thing.
I am GLAD that most people don't follow through with their faith all the way when theirs and/or more importantly, if somebody else's health/life is at risk.
If its jumping off a building they want technology to save them but if its finding there keys before work (pray and have a little faith lol)
On a side note did you see that the Presbyterians are allowing gays to openly be ministers in the church now?
About time they figure out what the rationalist have knows for 50 years+ now...Still its nice to see religions taking steps back into reality on some level.
@TheJesusKey Wow, you just pwned yourself more than I even hoped to. You just described sevceral scenarios that could get people robbed or killed, demonstrating that faith is indeed bad.
@TheJesusKey There are significant differences between faith in people and faith in a belief. People will react positively to your faith in them and will be likely to do more things to your benefit and less things to your detriment. Reality doesn't react to your faith at all. And if someone screws you over, you don't maintain faith in them. With other things, it's just a matter of gauging risk; although in something like driving a car, too much faith *definitely is* a bad thing — and dangerous.
This video was humorous and funny, but lacks moderate human cunning. However, tis' true, that you have a good point to those who use faith to anoint. Why use logical reasons when you can just hope for new seasons? That can't be a God-treason. Life is a muse.
"Belief in God wont kill you, unless you live in a country that kills those who believe."
Or, if you believe that God wants you to join the army and fight the Muslims. Or if you are muslim. Or if you're a Christian Scientist and get sick. Or if other Christians think you're posessed. Or if you listen to a televangelist who tell you to throw away your pills and use holy water instead. Oh! And snake handlers. If they get bitten they claim you didn't have "enough faith".
@TheJesusKey Even if we would never got a spike of evidence for any phenomena that would not make "god" the answer to anything. That is an argument from ignorance. I can't posibly explain how X happen. God did it. The last resort of lazy minds.
Well, I wasn't going to rate this, but that probulator thing scared the hell out of me. Thumbs up, okay? Now, please, get that probulator away from me!
@TheJesusKey Evidence for the universe creation: red shift. Go look it up. How life first formed. See the work of Szostak. Human beings fail, but science corrects the mistakes eventually. Religions cannot correct mistakes and so are stuck with horrible errors. One does not need to be outside something to study it. We knew the earth is spherical way before we got off planet.
@TheJesusKey You must be new to the Atheist argument on the internet. Do a little Googling. Every argument you are making has been, to most standards, adequately disproven or shown to be fallible. Your arguments have been made before, unsuccessfully, and ad nauseam. I highly recommend Youtube user Thunderf00t's videos as well as any debate featuring Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins. Go watch them, and stop wasting BD's time.
I posted this on a FB creationist site earlier today... Faith is believing that god alone will swiftly and completely heal a child afflicted with a life-threatening bacterial infection, as long as the family has "enough" faith in god; Knowledge is KNOWING that a proper dose of antibiotics will cure that same child, regardless of the degree of belief or disbelief.
I've come to the conclusion that religious belief is in inverse proportion to Knowledge.
@lazyperfectionist1 The Bible says that God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself in order to be born into His own creation to grow up to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.
@lazyperfectionist1 Up there on the Roman torture device, He cried out to Himself to ask why He had forsaken Himself and to beg Himself to forgive these people, for they knew not that they sacrificed Him to Himself in perfect accordance with his own perfect plan to pay Himself off for our debt to Him which He decided we owed Him in the first place. Then He died, spent the weekend away, rose from the grave and ascended into Heaven to be with Himself again.
@TheJesusKey that's just down right not tru. u just havn't checked in2 the scientific communityt lately or nasa's updates. there is plenty of evidence 2 suggest what happened 2 make this galaxy how it is now. right up until fractions of fraction of a fraction.... of a fraction of a fraction of a second after the big bang. we just havn't figured out how the mass got 2 b there. there are hypothesis on singularity. we won't find the answer by prayin but by experiment, study, and observation
@TheJesusKey if those with the faith the size of a mustard see could tell a tree 2 pick up its roots and up in2 the ocean. try as i might, when I believed whole heartedly, I could never get a tree 2 move witout picking it up. same difference.
@lazyperfectionist1 I'd go look at the Apple website to see what an iOwa™ was and if I could get one for my iPod™, and ask you if there'z a SaskatchTWO. ;)
@cruelbusiness1984 So then God is the sort to say, "Well, you know, I would answer that prayer, but it just doesn't have enough people saying it yet?"
@TheJesusKey How do you know, first of all, that there was a time when the Universe didn't exist? How do you know, second of all, that the process that brought it into existence was a "creation?"
How do you know, thirdly, assuming that there was a process of some sort that brought it into existence that this process must have included a willful being of some sort?
You wanna know what really makes the least sense over anything about christians? before the "bible was written sin was known by the first people"...so obviously the people that wrote the bible are going to twist it for their evil ways. So regardless if there is a god or a christian god...it's flawed. So no one should be going by that bible. People should be doing what their instincts tell them...or at least sane ones should be to the best of their ability.
@JustABitchyCancer I agree. instincts hav lead us 2 communities, lov, prizing peace over violence, and being wary of creeps, bugs, and predators. our instincts hav a great place :)
@TheJesusKey That's what's known as the God-of-theGaps argument, kiddo...and it doesn't hold water.
What you're saying is, "I don't know how the universe came to be...so I'm going to say it was a magical man living in the sky!"
Until and unless you actually have evidence that the magic man exists--DIRECT evidence, not this "We need magic to explain the universe!" crapola--you are simply NOT justified in god-belief. Period.
all you know to exists is colour, taste, touch, and pitch. every thing else is believed on faith. for example, electrons, protons, and photons are theories taken on faith.
@tom9152a Y'ever stop to think that the test itself is modifying the electron so that it appears to be only one, or that strips out the other thing it is? That we might need a better test?
@BionicDance electrons can create interference patterns and travel threw the nucleus. waves do both of those, not objects. speaking of better tests, how about the faith people had in newtonian physics that was proven wrong by einstein. you know most theories are proven false, right?
@tom9152a But these people who did the believing...? They didn't have FAITH.
What they HAD was incomplete evidence; they were at least ATTEMPTING to think critically. Religious people are NOT; they use faith IN PLACE of evidence, reason, and logic. That's the point.
@tom9152a The difference, though, is that SCIENCE'S evidence does real-world heavy-lifting; we can run experiments to SHOW that science is at least on to something.
Religion can't EVER do that...or at least never has. And certainly not successfully, assuming it's ever been attempted. God has NEVER been shown to exist with any degree of confidence, certainly not even a tenth as much as even the most tentative science.
Believing that a jump off the Space Needle won't kill you and believing that a god exists--both without a SCRAP of scientific evidence that even suggests these things are true--is EXACTLY the same thing. It's belief in something loony for no good reason.
@gothatfunk Aww, not necessarily. Some of us are still skeptics.
I WANT the alien abduction stories to be true, I WANT Roswell to have been a real UFO...but given the evidence, I have to doubt it. Just as an example.
@gothatfunk I disagree. I want to believe in the Force. I want to believe in Santa. I want to believe that racist assholes like Mel Gibson don't exist in Australia.
@gothatfunk If you had said, 'People can be gullible when it comes to some things they want to believe.' you might have had a point. It's called the sacred cow fallacy. It's when a person uses reason and evidence for almost everything, except for their pet belief(s), for example gods, homoeopathy and the social contract.
The underlying idea I think you were trying to convey is valid, but you over generalised.
Theist- 'one who believes in the existence of a god or gods specifically a god viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world.'
In other words, has faith in zombies dwelling in the sky, a zombie that can know,see, hear, predict and control everything in the universe. Yep, sounds reasonable to this guy.
The differance is that you don't really hear that many people dieing due to gullibility. That way if there was only gullibility, I may be more inclined to drink kool-aid. FAITH TOOK AWAY MY RIGHT TO DRINK KOOL-AID! Faith took away my right! Faith is unconstitutional!
We now stop this Glen Beck esque comment to bring you this:
ROMANS 1:16-32 shows that EVERYONE KNOWS that God exists + that belief in God is not blind faith but a mixture of what is tangible + observable + faith. The above Scripture is a case in point. The reality is that as a Christian my remit from God is 2 let ppl know about Jesus Christ the Saviour who died 4 our sins. GENESIS chapters 1,2+3 explain where original sin came from + how Jesus has rectified this. The ppl who "demand" proof the loudest r the very ppl who refuse 2 c the sin in their lives.
The3in1trinity 8 months ago
@The3in1trinity All those passages sound like nothing but excuses to those of us unafraid to think for ourselves.
jmdnarri 8 months ago
@jmdnarri U seem 2 think that Christians don't think 4 themselves. How wrong! Christians have thought about what God's Word says + taken a hard look at ourselves + decided 2 repent of sin + receive Jesus as Lord + Saviour. U can listen 2 what God's Word says + act on it or u can stay blind + face Jesus on Judgement Day...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity No actually, your words just illustrate how brainwashed you are and how you don't evaluate the situation for yourself. What solidified my mind that I could never be a Christian was nothing more than reading the Bible. That book illustrates a God that shows no respect for the lives or suffering of the sentient beings he brought into this world, but you people are so brainwashed, you are like abused wives making excuses for why the abuse is your own fault.
jmdnarri 7 months ago
@jmdnarri What IS the "situation" i should evaluate that u r referring 2? Y didn't elaborate. Clearly i use the brain that God has given me, looked at what God's Word says+come 2 the conclusion that Jesus IS my Saviour. It appears that u r the 1 who hasn't taken the time 2 think about sin or believe u r a "good person" +there4 don't need a Saviour. The reality is that it's ppl who deny the obvious fact that God exists who live in denial+can't face the truth. ONLY JESUS 4GIVES SINS+SAVES SOULS!!!
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity If you are not just being a Poe, please leave a comprehensive post that shows you are capeable of thinking outside of biblical passages. The Bible can not prove its self into reality. A passage stating "people will doubt the words of Jesus" does not prove it to be devine, it just shows that the authors knew some people would be smart enough to see through it, and some would be dumb enough to fall for it.
jmdnarri 7 months ago
@TLSlayer1 not really, its the claim. faith is the argument. and this video proved it a bad one
sobored671 9 months ago
I'm not trying to convince or convert you. I've said that already. ...again.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 BULLSHIT. Of course you are; if you were not, you'd shut the fuck up, because there is NO REASON to try to convince me a god exists otherwise.
Oh, and by the way...learn to use the fucking 'REPLY' button...or you're blocked. I'm sick of this.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance Omgosh I'm not haha. If you want to believe I am then ok. And it's so sad you too scared to listen to my proof and block me. Shame...the lesson is bigger than you'll ever know.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 Oh, please...you're not actually presenting any EVIDENCE. All you're doing at this point is being insulting and arrogant.'
Is that all you've got?
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance lol so you must also be someone who believed we never landed on the moon and 9/11 is a conspiracy and osamas still alive am i right? this type of thinking is plaguing the world resulting in misinformed and stupid children.. you are the creation of the spread of this because you say science is fact. while it may be please explain to me what quantum physics is.that is a science but its a theory. 2+2 =4 only if you use the proper numerical values assigned and agreed on but the majority
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x I have EVIDENCE for the moon landings and 9/11, you fool. *rolls eyes*
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance i guess ill play devils advocate, what definitive proof do you have besides media coverage and biased testimony... two things that you seem to be against. your logic is flawed.
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x I don't DO "Devil's Advocate" conversations, kiddo. If you've got a case to make...make it. But I'm not going to play games and be put on the spot for your amusement.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance well you are putting yourself up for my amusement when you put these types of claims on youtube.. lol my stance is that whatever someone believes in is there view.. and another thing was that you backed off my previous comment showing weakness which makes me think i have you a little tongue tied amirite?
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x No, i just more than a little bit suspect you of being a troll. You're CLEARLY spoiling for an argument, even if your intentions aren't to be an asshole; you're trying to be challenging not because you hold a different view for which you'd like to advocate, but rather you're arguing just to argue.
i have no interest in that; if you don't want to have an HONEST exchange of ideas, this can be over VERY fast.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance you have no interest in debate? my views are the medium between yours and that of a christian. i am neither against nor for religion. i make the argument to anyone who claims they know the correct answer to this solution. religion is a part of human history. the "theory" of evolution is still only a theory with no definitive proof that can be said 100%, neither can faith. the reason faith is stronger is because although its not 100% those who have it are 100% sure it exists.
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x I have no interest in FORCED debate. I have no interest in debate FOR ITS OWN SAKE.
...which is what YOU appear to be doing.
I'll debate a topic if the other side is willing to do so HONESTLY, because it's a position they ACTUALLY hold.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance i just proposed my side.. and the position i actually hold. read again..
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x Anyone who says that the theory of evolution (genetic/biological) is "just a theory", isn't worth debating because they have consistantly proven to be too dumb to not shit on the toilet seat while shitting. Are you willing to debate with a four year old on a topic like macro economics? I thought so...
thomazz2000 9 months ago
@xCyanide37x What media coverage is there out there that is evidence for God? In addition since noone KNOWS who wrote the Bible, the Bible does not count as eyewitness testimony.
atheistram 9 months ago
@atheistram you misunderstood what i wrote. the media coverage and biased testimony wasn't trying to validate a religion.. reread the argument
xCyanide37x 9 months ago
@BionicDance You ma'am are HOT and have a sexy voice. :)
atheistram 9 months ago
@atheistram I'll take your word on that.
...or, to put it another way, aww, shucks. :)
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance Take my word for it, it's true. You also make many valid points in your "rants." I'm definitely subscribing. :)
atheistram 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 "sigh" Self righteous much? Look up the dunning-kruger effect (thank you Theramintrees!). It explains your condition perfectly. And promise me that, afterwards, you never return in public with your digital noice again.
thomazz2000 9 months ago
Claiming a Christian has magic is ludicrous. Misunderstanding a common saying for an actual meaning on a different level is just stupid.
I have a logical argument and proof that there is a God, but I see no point in proving it to you sense you can't even listen to what I'm saying now.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 You have proof god exists? Really? I've seen NONE.
Why don't you actually lay out your case, asshole. If you're so confident, WHY HAVEN'T YOU PRESENTED YOUR ARGUMENTS? *rolls eyes*
BionicDance 9 months ago
Look up argument from ignorance fallacy.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 This is no argument from ignorance.
You know what would happen if no theist ever claimed god DOES exist? Nothing. It'd be a non-issue.
But you DO claim that a god exists...and then don't back if up with facts. I'm NOT obligated to believe you...and I don't. And WON'T, not until you produce EVIDENCE THAT BACKS UP YOUR CLAIM.
That's not an argument from ignorance, that's basic logic. An argument asserted without evidence can be discarded in the same manner.
BionicDance 9 months ago
Ok...I will say this: You are fine with what you don't believe in, I already said that. But you have no justification in pointing out that my belief is unfounded with such a weak argument.
Try to read what I'm actually saying, I know it's hard..
I don't care what your beliefs are, but at least make a LOGICAL argument. If anything, check your facts and educate yourself on reasonable and valid points. I'm not trying to convert you.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 This IS a logical argument, kiddo; not MY fault if you don't see it.
Your belief IS unfounded; until and unless you produce justifying EVIDENCE for your belief, that's PRECISELY what it is.
BionicDance 9 months ago
I'm not all about converting atheists. It's fine what you believe or don't, but at least be smart about it. This video as well as most of your others are just, sad. Theres no logical basis in every single video. I'm all about having an open mind, of which you lack I might add. I have no problem with you making videos voicing your opinion. I have a problem with you being so closed minded and dumb about it. Open your eyes Kiddo, you can't even produce empirical, objective, scientific evidence.
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 I don't HAVE to produce empirical, objective, scientific evidence...I'M not the one claiming that something exists!
Until and unless you can prove there IS a god, I am justified in my non-belief...and in pointing out that YOUR belief is unfounded.
BionicDance 9 months ago
If this is all it takes to convince you atheists a God doesn't exist...then I'd love to have 5 minutes of your time to give a 10x stronger argument as to why God does exist
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 Unless you can produce empirical, objective, scientific evidence that god exists, you will find ZERO success in converting most atheists, kiddo.
BionicDance 9 months ago
You are stupid and ignorant. This video is describing "faith" in sociological terms, as opposed to faith in the religious sense. I have no problem with people believing or not believing...I USED to be an atheist at one point....but at least I was smart about it. I read the bible and educated myself instead of making up crap and posting it without a shred of logical support....I mean really? Why do y'all believe in all this?
dragonbesas10 9 months ago
@dragonbesas10 Faith = belief without proof.
It's that simple. You're believing in god FOR NO GOOD REASON.
If you think otherwise, and if you think that belief in something that affects SO MUCH of life for no good reason isn't utterly chowderheaded...well, then I'm not the one who is stupid and ignorant, kiddo.
BionicDance 9 months ago
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dragonbesas10 9 months ago
Too much going on. The goofy music and green screen distracts me from what you are trying to say.
MrTsBastardChild 9 months ago
Dyke.
Lloyath 9 months ago
@Lloyath Proud of it, baby!
BionicDance 9 months ago
why do you hate God and those who believe in God so much? ..
laurux95 9 months ago
@laurux95
Why does she do what she does? Go to whywontgodhealamputeesDOTcom/forums and click "General Religious Discussion". Then, click the topic "Kcrady - old school". Then, scroll down to Reply #14 and read it.
lotanddaughters 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey The difference is I put faith in things I have reasonable expectations for. 2,000 year old belief system that needs its defenders to change their arguments as time goes on vs a person in a relationship? No comparison. Christians do have blind faith btw. They believe what those before them believe and so on based on nothing but a book that consists of hearsay. If your belief had any truth, there wouldn't so many demoninations fighting over which one got it right.
HybridD91 9 months ago
Faith without medicine? there was discussion on how knowledge was given for people to think and to do things to treat themselves. I agree with your arguement that you need to think and not just believe everything that is said. that is why we have wisdom. I also respect free will. Individuals have the right to believe, live and do as they please as long as it doesn't cause harm.
KashukoProductions 9 months ago
The difference between faith and gullable is having a certain ground of sanity... regrettably theists lack this sanity...
dolldaggabuzz 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey You're reading way too much into it.
deepashtray 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey People get jobs and find love every day. Is everyone you know unemployed? Have you never met someone who is happily married? We KNOW these things happen, we see them happen all around us.
Has anyone ever even once shown Gods existence??
There is a HUGE difference between being hopeful and having blind faith.
jmdnarri 9 months ago
@jmdnarri ROMANS 1:16-32...
The3in1trinity 8 months ago
@The3in1trinity Was that supposed to do anything other than demonstrate how brainwashed you are?
jmdnarri 8 months ago
In my natal city, a very religious one btw, there is a wide spread saying, everytime you refuse to do something, no matter how insignificant it is, they call you bad faith (original: mala fe).
I was called that way in high school when i refuse to lend money to a kid that i barely knew.
sesaruoosama 9 months ago
Probe-u-later? You would prefer the Probe-u-now. Trust me. Have a little faith.
8WholeThing 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Actually I would go to a food bank if I had no food or money. And you seem to be implying that even though I know numerous atheist who donate both time and money to charities, that without belief in Jesus, no christians (or at least significantly fewer) would bother to help their fellow man. If you are not saying this, then churches helping people reduces to people helping people and the religious aspect of it becomes 100% unnecessary.
TheNikonSevast 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey
Or I could just go to secular food bank.
JerryConlon 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey
"Atheists are SO arrogant. You think you know EVERYTHING. You'd have to know EVERYTHING to say there's NO GOD!"
"I don't believe in fairies. Do you think I'm arrogant, or do you agree?"
"Fairies are SO different! How do you explain consciousness, morality, irreducible complexity, fine-tuning..."
"That's special pleading. But my point is you're fine saying things don't exist. Some of those have explanations, but if you don't know it, it must be god? It's like you know EVERYTHING!"
rkyeun 9 months ago
@rkyeun
Apologies to Tracie Harris.
rkyeun 9 months ago
The difference between faith and gullibility is that people usually learn quickly to not be gullible (unless they're George McFly or Joxer the Mighty). Faith is terminal.
Brandt761 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Right, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist if it has no scientific evidence. It just means that there is no good reason to believe it does exist. And the likelihood of existence is negligibly small until something demonstrable is put forth.
Ledwix 9 months ago
Probulator - hmmmmnfff.
Promises, promises...
steveb0503 9 months ago 2
Well done!
lhvinny 9 months ago
Oh I am so dying to read some of the comments on this video! I think you going to frustrate theists to the point of cussing!
opaldragon75 9 months ago
@opaldragon75 I almost hope so. :)
BionicDance 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey No matter how nice or heroic someone is, it doesn't verify their beliefs. If someone was the most moral, selfless person in the entire world, and they believed 2+2=5, they'd still be wrong. I'm sure millions of people have somehow had their lives improved by some religion, but that doesn't count as evidence for the veracity of that religion.
MetaKlonoa 9 months ago
If one must have faith in order to believe something, or believe in something, then the likelihood of that something having any truth or value is considerably diminished. -Christopher Hitchens
realigiousrayne 9 months ago
Major fail there.
"are you totally ignorant of the philosophy of Jesus Christ"
People were good prior to the story of Jesus (a mortal man, nothing else)
"You may not believe in Jesus, but to say there is no good reason to believe goes against History"
Having an impact on history do not make your fictional sky tyran real.
"Next time you run out of food in your house and you have no money, who would you call...A CHURCH"
Again, helping others do not come from religion.
So yeah, no good reasons.
Atharkas 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey The use of the term 'reason' is being maligned here. Your talking about moral justifications for accepting the truisms of christ's teachings. This video is talking about having logical, rational, reasons for holding the fundamental belief that any specific god, or gods on general, genuinely exist. Its important to understand the critical difference here. A fictitious story can have a good moral lesson, but that is not a reason to accept the story as Truth.
AgeOfScience 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey
"his is why we Christians could never have a rational discussion with you atheists"
No, this is why you christian could never have a rational discussion at all. You believe in things for no good reason. Why do you miss such a simple concept?
Atharkas 9 months ago
Well said/done BionicDance...
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 9 months ago
I find your lack of faith...disturbing
TBman256 9 months ago
@TBman256 Same here, every time I tell someone about my personal pink unicorn they laugh at me! It's disgusting how blind and ignorant some people can be...
ronnystoehr 9 months ago
@ronnystoehr you do know that was a star wars reference right?
TBman256 9 months ago
@TBman256 Wooooosh, right over my head!! ;) But you have to admit, your comment could very well have come from a superstitionalist expressing his disgust about this video.
ronnystoehr 9 months ago
@ronnystoehr yeah I was kind of counting on Bionicdance to reply first, sorry for the confusion :)
TBman256 9 months ago
Love the Wilhelm scream!
corvardus 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey But to say that god is the only possibility is absurd. I have a hypothesis that holds just as much weight as you hypothesis. I say that it was aliens from a different dimension that were using a large hardon collider that created this universe.
lautz73 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey "If faith were so bad then you have NEVER, EVER been in one single relationship with a person.You must have also never filled out a job application or have gone to an interview with the FAITH that you will do a good job and get hired." You're confusing faith with trial and error, a common mistake.
deepashtray 9 months ago 13
@deepashtray I'd say the confusion re: 'faith' from JesusKey is more akin to mistaking "faith" with trust and confidence.
A person doesnt have 'faith' that they wont get screwed in a reslationship. They have trust based on mutal respect and desire to make it work. A person doesn't have 'faith' an interview will go well, you (hopefully) have self-confidence to make that happen. Neither have anything to do with "faith".
vaprex 9 months ago 6
@vaprex Good point.
deepashtray 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey - I have been in a relationship. I don't need to rely on faith. I took a chance - not needing faith to do it. Didn't expect anything. Over time, we built trust in our relationship. Based on evidence/reason, as I base all my decisions on. I don't need faith to do a good job and get hired. In fact, I don't know a single job that hires based on faith. They require resumes, references and interviews to try and get an idea of the job you will do - not faith.
Jaelra 9 months ago
What's interesting is, Theists accuse us of thinking the exact same way they do, we take that as a vicious insult, and then they fail to think to themselves that maybe, just maybe, if we take it as an insult when they project their way of thinking on to us, maybe there's something wrong with the way they think.
dechha1981 9 months ago
Faith, n.: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
is3it7lonar 9 months ago
Wilhelm Scream FTW!
HappySkeptic 9 months ago
thumbs up for the wilhelm scream.
dreadpiratedan 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Yes, it's been refuted. Theology is not a real field of study. I don't need to know about unicorns to tell you they don't exist. History has nothing to do with it. Anyway, clearly your definition of "winning a debate" is the first person who throws an insult wins. Very Christian of you.
BlueRonin44 9 months ago
Blind faith = bad but I put faith in friends with mixed results. This form of faith is called trust but I wouldn't call it blind. I have a basis for that trust and if I take it on faith that a friend will pay me back or help me move then I have an idea about just how much of a leap of faith I am taking. I've loaned money and never been repaid but I knew the risk going in and so when I wasn't paid back I was not surprised. I never enter into blind faith but I trust people I know within reason.
dodgermutt 9 months ago
@dodgermutt When you use the word faith in connection with friends, what you mean is trust. This isn't a semantic quibble, at their pure (and correct) definitions faith and trust are two different concepts, but it is in common usage for people to use faith when they really mean trust. It works because we use the context to interpret what the person means. Even most theists understand the difference when someone says "I have faith in my friends" and "I have faith in God".
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso Just reviewed my comment. I still stand by the context difference between "faith in my fiends/faith in god" but have been reminded that trust still has an element of uncertainty in it. It's still a much better word to use to convey that your expectation is based on reason as opposed to no reason. Having the word 'faith' carry both meanings leads to the important but wasteful time spent on having to when necessary clarify which version we are mean when we use the word faith. Bleh.
amlorusso 9 months ago
Oh god BD i love you....your rants against religion is music to my ears!
TheFockerizer 9 months ago
YAY for using the Wilhelm Scream... not about "faith", but it made me smile, and isn't that what life's about?
THEMrFill 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Personally I see having some faith in your spouse is a good thing. I have faith in the love of my girlfriend for me. Could be that it's misplaced, but I'm not going to force that burden of prove upon her :-P
If that's how you see your relationship with your god, fine.. But like any other relationship (well, some swingers excluded I suppose) it's a personal one. Keep it personal, keep that relationship out of politics, law and schools
Shangori 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey You're going by it the wrong way. For everything you say about your faith, your religion, we can say something equally unbelievable and unprovable. Going by the logic you and many others take, it's up to YOU to prove to me that whatever unbelievable and unprovable thing I say, is true.
The world doesn't work that way. You claim, you have the burden of proof. Which is why faith is such a stupid thing in almost all cases. Almost yes.. There are exceptions -->
Shangori 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey HA! you just settled it. "You had faith that your posts have meaning". Clearly I have no hope of getting through your thick skull that blind faith is a bad thing.
dechha1981 9 months ago
I'm a dude, but I am so growing my hair to be able to go over on eye like BD does. It's fucking badass.
pumarunner88 9 months ago
I <3 me some Strangers in Paradise.
RomeoCo 9 months ago
aaaaAAAAH! the probulator! I'll never do that again...
Paxmax 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey "If faith were so bad then you have NEVER, EVER been in one single relationship with a person."
You're confusing earned trust with believing shit for no reason.
Gnomefro 9 months ago
go girl ....love you
invisibletime 9 months ago
I AM immune =3
OukaKisa 9 months ago
I am GLAD that most people don't follow through with their faith all the way when theirs and/or more importantly, if somebody else's health/life is at risk.
Achenar12 9 months ago
If its jumping off a building they want technology to save them but if its finding there keys before work (pray and have a little faith lol)
On a side note did you see that the Presbyterians are allowing gays to openly be ministers in the church now?
About time they figure out what the rationalist have knows for 50 years+ now...Still its nice to see religions taking steps back into reality on some level.
inquiry10 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Wow, you just pwned yourself more than I even hoped to. You just described sevceral scenarios that could get people robbed or killed, demonstrating that faith is indeed bad.
dechha1981 9 months ago
does the probulator take batteries?
Mcfly88 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey There are significant differences between faith in people and faith in a belief. People will react positively to your faith in them and will be likely to do more things to your benefit and less things to your detriment. Reality doesn't react to your faith at all. And if someone screws you over, you don't maintain faith in them. With other things, it's just a matter of gauging risk; although in something like driving a car, too much faith *definitely is* a bad thing — and dangerous.
sashavboyd 9 months ago
This video was humorous and funny, but lacks moderate human cunning. However, tis' true, that you have a good point to those who use faith to anoint. Why use logical reasons when you can just hope for new seasons? That can't be a God-treason. Life is a muse.
AtheistPoetry 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey
"Belief in God wont kill you, unless you live in a country that kills those who believe."
Or, if you believe that God wants you to join the army and fight the Muslims. Or if you are muslim. Or if you're a Christian Scientist and get sick. Or if other Christians think you're posessed. Or if you listen to a televangelist who tell you to throw away your pills and use holy water instead. Oh! And snake handlers. If they get bitten they claim you didn't have "enough faith".
dechha1981 9 months ago
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
how DARE youi question the Prince of Niger?
dechha1981 9 months ago
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dechha1981 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Even if we would never got a spike of evidence for any phenomena that would not make "god" the answer to anything. That is an argument from ignorance. I can't posibly explain how X happen. God did it. The last resort of lazy minds.
nyarlotep 9 months ago
Well, I wasn't going to rate this, but that probulator thing scared the hell out of me. Thumbs up, okay? Now, please, get that probulator away from me!
wickedenchanter 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Evidence for the universe creation: red shift. Go look it up. How life first formed. See the work of Szostak. Human beings fail, but science corrects the mistakes eventually. Religions cannot correct mistakes and so are stuck with horrible errors. One does not need to be outside something to study it. We knew the earth is spherical way before we got off planet.
farvision 9 months ago
Wilhelm scream! you is awesome
Polum824545201 9 months ago
@Polum824545201 i was going to call it if no one else did
concord327 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey You must be new to the Atheist argument on the internet. Do a little Googling. Every argument you are making has been, to most standards, adequately disproven or shown to be fallible. Your arguments have been made before, unsuccessfully, and ad nauseam. I highly recommend Youtube user Thunderf00t's videos as well as any debate featuring Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins. Go watch them, and stop wasting BD's time.
BlueRonin44 9 months ago
I posted this on a FB creationist site earlier today... Faith is believing that god alone will swiftly and completely heal a child afflicted with a life-threatening bacterial infection, as long as the family has "enough" faith in god; Knowledge is KNOWING that a proper dose of antibiotics will cure that same child, regardless of the degree of belief or disbelief.
I've come to the conclusion that religious belief is in inverse proportion to Knowledge.
Nafetitive 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey "The bible clearly lays out a path to have proof"
I see. So to have proof, one must first have faith? But once one has accepted something on faith, why does one still need proof?
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1 The Bible says that God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself in order to be born into His own creation to grow up to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1 Up there on the Roman torture device, He cried out to Himself to ask why He had forsaken Himself and to beg Himself to forgive these people, for they knew not that they sacrificed Him to Himself in perfect accordance with his own perfect plan to pay Himself off for our debt to Him which He decided we owed Him in the first place. Then He died, spent the weekend away, rose from the grave and ascended into Heaven to be with Himself again.
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
One cannot get more clear guidance than that.
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey that's just down right not tru. u just havn't checked in2 the scientific communityt lately or nasa's updates. there is plenty of evidence 2 suggest what happened 2 make this galaxy how it is now. right up until fractions of fraction of a fraction.... of a fraction of a fraction of a second after the big bang. we just havn't figured out how the mass got 2 b there. there are hypothesis on singularity. we won't find the answer by prayin but by experiment, study, and observation
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey if those with the faith the size of a mustard see could tell a tree 2 pick up its roots and up in2 the ocean. try as i might, when I believed whole heartedly, I could never get a tree 2 move witout picking it up. same difference.
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
Wilhelm! NOOOOOOO!
MorteMcAdaver 9 months ago
I don’t suppose you have any of that ocean-front property in Wyoming I’ve been hearing about? What about Arkansas?
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1 Well, why NOT Oming?
And it seems to me that ocean-front property would be perfect for Ark-ansas. ;)
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance Aren't you clever. What if I had asked about Iowa and Saskatchewan?
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1 I'd go look at the Apple website to see what an iOwa™ was and if I could get one for my iPod™, and ask you if there'z a SaskatchTWO. ;)
-Kate
BionicDance 9 months ago 4
...and on the side, the ad says, “Need prayer?”
“Post a Prayer Request. THOUSANDS will pray for you.”
Evidently, a prayer is more likely to be answered with more people saying it.
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1 eventually, thinks are more likely 2 happen when people DO something 2 acheive a goal
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@cruelbusiness1984 So then God is the sort to say, "Well, you know, I would answer that prayer, but it just doesn't have enough people saying it yet?"
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
Look at that person. Sailing through the air majestically. Like an eagle. Piloting a blimp.
BeRad117 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey How do you know, first of all, that there was a time when the Universe didn't exist? How do you know, second of all, that the process that brought it into existence was a "creation?"
How do you know, thirdly, assuming that there was a process of some sort that brought it into existence that this process must have included a willful being of some sort?
lazyperfectionist1 9 months ago
You wanna know what really makes the least sense over anything about christians? before the "bible was written sin was known by the first people"...so obviously the people that wrote the bible are going to twist it for their evil ways. So regardless if there is a god or a christian god...it's flawed. So no one should be going by that bible. People should be doing what their instincts tell them...or at least sane ones should be to the best of their ability.
JustABitchyCancer 9 months ago
@JustABitchyCancer I agree. instincts hav lead us 2 communities, lov, prizing peace over violence, and being wary of creeps, bugs, and predators. our instincts hav a great place :)
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
I think I may wanna be put on the probulator....
Juxtaposedjoker 9 months ago 2
@TheJesusKey That's what's known as the God-of-theGaps argument, kiddo...and it doesn't hold water.
What you're saying is, "I don't know how the universe came to be...so I'm going to say it was a magical man living in the sky!"
Until and unless you actually have evidence that the magic man exists--DIRECT evidence, not this "We need magic to explain the universe!" crapola--you are simply NOT justified in god-belief. Period.
BionicDance 9 months ago 17
all you know to exists is colour, taste, touch, and pitch. every thing else is believed on faith. for example, electrons, protons, and photons are theories taken on faith.
tom9152a 9 months ago
@tom9152a No, they really aren't. Because we can run tests and experiments on 'em, we can see how the world reacts to various stimuli.
That's the very OPPOSITE of faith, kiddo.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance exactly its perceived thru our senses. taste, smell, hearing, touch, and most importantly sight :)
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@cruelbusiness1984 And yet, there are conclusions reached through those data that proves things which are NOT perceived through those senses.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance some tests show electrons are objects, some tests show they are waves. they can't be both. which tests do you have faith in?
tom9152a 9 months ago
@tom9152a Y'ever stop to think that the test itself is modifying the electron so that it appears to be only one, or that strips out the other thing it is? That we might need a better test?
Also, I'm pretty damn sure you're thinking of photons, not electrons.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance electrons can create interference patterns and travel threw the nucleus. waves do both of those, not objects. speaking of better tests, how about the faith people had in newtonian physics that was proven wrong by einstein. you know most theories are proven false, right?
tom9152a 9 months ago
@tom9152a But these people who did the believing...? They didn't have FAITH.
What they HAD was incomplete evidence; they were at least ATTEMPTING to think critically. Religious people are NOT; they use faith IN PLACE of evidence, reason, and logic. That's the point.
BionicDance 9 months ago 2
@BionicDance all evidence is incomplete. faith in science is used to fill the gaps in the evidence. for example evolution.
tom9152a 9 months ago
@tom9152a The difference, though, is that SCIENCE'S evidence does real-world heavy-lifting; we can run experiments to SHOW that science is at least on to something.
Religion can't EVER do that...or at least never has. And certainly not successfully, assuming it's ever been attempted. God has NEVER been shown to exist with any degree of confidence, certainly not even a tenth as much as even the most tentative science.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey That's not different AT ALL.
Believing that a jump off the Space Needle won't kill you and believing that a god exists--both without a SCRAP of scientific evidence that even suggests these things are true--is EXACTLY the same thing. It's belief in something loony for no good reason.
BionicDance 9 months ago 4
The only people outside of religion who try to tell you that belief without evidence is a good thing is either a con man or a politician
anubis2814 9 months ago
@anubis2814 exactly but also the only people within religion who try 2 tell u somethin without evidence is tryin 2 get money out of it
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
"...or we put you on the probulator"
Promises, promises.
Anon11674 9 months ago
@TheJesusKey Oh, yeah...? PROVE IT.
Faith in god is belief for no good reason, belief with neither proof nor evidence. And that is gullibility, kiddo.
BionicDance 9 months ago 12
just the tip...come on have faith
dude12nothin 9 months ago
0:36 Wilhelm Scream! :)
Akira625 9 months ago
Love you babe!
thecursedland 9 months ago
i think its time for a camera upgrade yo! ur videos deserve so much more :)
ConsiderMeGuru 9 months ago
@ConsiderMeGuru Well, as soon as I'm making a bit more on the 'Tubes, maybe I can afford a new one. Someday.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@BionicDance i look forward to that!
ConsiderMeGuru 9 months ago
everyone is gullible when it comes to things they *want* to believe.
gothatfunk 9 months ago
@gothatfunk Aww, not necessarily. Some of us are still skeptics.
I WANT the alien abduction stories to be true, I WANT Roswell to have been a real UFO...but given the evidence, I have to doubt it. Just as an example.
BionicDance 9 months ago
@gothatfunk I disagree. I want to believe in the Force. I want to believe in Santa. I want to believe that racist assholes like Mel Gibson don't exist in Australia.
dechha1981 9 months ago
@gothatfunk If you had said, 'People can be gullible when it comes to some things they want to believe.' you might have had a point. It's called the sacred cow fallacy. It's when a person uses reason and evidence for almost everything, except for their pet belief(s), for example gods, homoeopathy and the social contract.
The underlying idea I think you were trying to convey is valid, but you over generalised.
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso "The underlying idea I think you were trying to convey is valid, but you over generalised."
indeed i did.
gothatfunk 9 months ago
Theist- 'one who believes in the existence of a god or gods specifically a god viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world.'
In other words, has faith in zombies dwelling in the sky, a zombie that can know,see, hear, predict and control everything in the universe. Yep, sounds reasonable to this guy.
saxmanchiro 9 months ago
I rated exclusively for the Wilhelm scream.
AIReject 9 months ago
lol. I like the space needle part. Great video. Thumbs up
longname25 9 months ago
The differance is that you don't really hear that many people dieing due to gullibility. That way if there was only gullibility, I may be more inclined to drink kool-aid. FAITH TOOK AWAY MY RIGHT TO DRINK KOOL-AID! Faith took away my right! Faith is unconstitutional!
We now stop this Glen Beck esque comment to bring you this:
Sorry :P
crazyinsane500 9 months ago