That is correct IAMJacks; now the "other" side of the ones that run Wall Street have made a brainwashing movie about their bro's. It's gotta be all true if they made a movie....now it makes perfect sense since I've seen the movie "too big to fail.". That's exactly what happened!!! Bull Crap!!!! The money masters -So tight with money- didn't see it coming????
The movie is basically a form of financial capitalism apologism...but well acted I will give them that but creates the illusion that bernanke, paulson and geithner are some sort of heroes
I like the line about McDonald's employees not getting paid. LOL. How stupid do they think I am? So, if I work at McDs and I don't get my paycheck because the company has gone under, guess what? I go get a new job at a place that is still in business. Why is the other place still in business? Because it pays it's employees. This isn't fucking science rocket. How the American people bought this "too big to fail" line is beyond me. And HBO is shamelessly trying to continue the lie. Fuck this BS!
Bull Shit HBO Bull Shit!!! More lies! How many people actually believe this shit? The "collapse" is exactly what needs to happen because it is the current financial system that is ultimately corrupt. Fuck the FED! Fuck these thieves! I hate these con artists! They all deserve to go to jail for fraud and theft, especially the politicians who were involved. These companies need to fail. Ben Bernake had our financial well-being in mind when he sold the line "too big to fail?" Bull Shit!
what bullshit... its still there you fuk's, if you think we saved a full out great depression by bailing failing banks out you are a fuking idiot. The long run will prove my point
@thumm99 Can you tell me exactly where you got your facts on this comment thumm99? I'd really like to know...exact websites that are not extreme right or left..just real facts. Thanks.
Why is Ben barnanke on this film? He is one of the main causes of the U.S. recession. He didn't allow the derivatives to be regulated and he was warned many times before the bubble exploded that there were going to be huge consequences if he didn't regulate derivatives. If you guys want to know the full story, I recommend the documentary "Inside Job".
the entire world would have ground to a halt if these companies went bankrupt. they are too big and own everything. it would have affected everyone on the planet, and we really won't know what would have happened it the US didn't pump money into these banks. the problem is investment banking are investing primarily in their paychecks, who needs 100 million a year to live? and deregulation by government has provided them (bankers, my new dirty word) with ways to stop the trickle down of money.
Too big to fail? The little guy was struggling before the 08 crisis and now even more after his tax money went to these worthless institutions. I say let them all fall and all of a sudden we are all at the same level. You fucked up... you deserve to fail.
This little gang of wealthy dudes has been pulling this for a while and America is the long term results of a corporate dictatorship tapping into average citizens with fine tuned propaganda, leaving them in a haze of materials only to wake up feeling raped. Information is power, they can lie no more. People look up CIA backed military coups Guatemala by United Fruit (now Chiquita), Chile coup by BP/ARCO and more!! Its shocking, watch "Century of Self", people all over the world are suffering.
I would probably be downvoted but, i watched this movie just for topher grace (Eric ofcourse) , but after this i would probably see "Inside Job" for more honest and less dramatic picture.
@jrosie3 Are you saying information cannot be conveyed through the medium of film, only print? or what media do you approve, painting? recorded tape? chalk on chalk board? You avoided the argument by attacking the source of the info. Way to avoid the issue. Are you a politician? if not maybe you should consider it as a career, cause you are so good at addressing the point at hand.
You are hilarious, arguing movies as a credible source. First Hollywood is totally left wing slanted. Second a movie particularly one like this is someone else's version of things. Its what ever the hell someone wants it to be no one is there to dispute or make sure the facts are straight. You cant argue with a movie screen. All that can be done is journalists/critics report inaccuracies later that they find in the film. But most believers of the film dont read that shit anyway. Hell...
We can all thank Greenspan for getting rid of Glass–Steagall Act to create this Too Big To Fail crap that got us into more trouble. We all know now that Federal Reserve is a private bank and like Greenspan said, they're above the law apparently.
@Ganseblumchen12 man greenspan created the shit in the financial sector but look again everything is going on the same path every sector is dominated by huge companies car industry it industry fashion alcohool cigaretes not mentioning oil all are too big to fail not only the financial sector we need anti trust laws hardend in order to be imposible to create world giants ,look at GM saved if tesla could buy a cheap factory maybe the would be the next henry ford inovators and s on
@jrosie3 Thanks for the right wing talking points lesson. Absolve everyone but the government and Barney Franks. You need to watch the movie and learn something. There is plenty of blame to go around including right wing haters of regulation.
At 15:00 They said that if the govmnt didn't step in we would have had something worse than we have. Translation: something bad would have happened to ME and MY family and MY friends. Now that I'm ok and my family and friends are ok, to hell with those that got screwed.
I just watched this and i got to tell you. For reasons i cant understand,I'm shaking right now. This movie scared the heck out of me!
It seems to me that somehow,this was all plained out before hand in order to put more money into the hands of people who caused this is the 1st place. Now after all of the hand outs we are right back where we started from. Teetering on the edge of the abyss.
It's all going to come crashing down,all they have done is slow the rate of fall.
According to this HBO documentary, Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld and the other crooks are saints. Sorry HBO, but nobody is buying your history. This "documentary" must have been paid by the financial masters of the world. Shame on HBO, just little puppets of the status-quo, as well as Hollywood.
@fahernandezp1 how would you have handled the situation? i'm not having a go at you. I just can't see how it could have been handled differently considering how far along it had progressed. Paulson should never have been in that position in the first place, no matter how well he could have done he would never be beyond suspicion. I just want another option that could have made things better considering the hole that the banks and the general public dug for ourselves.
@DaddyCalls Americans seem to have forgotten, or totally ignored, the meaning of CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. This principle of transparency is been flagrantly violated at all levels of government, and that is one of the causes of the debacle. 1) The "crisis" shouldn´t have happened in the first place. 2) I would have, for example, with tax payers money, rescued only retirement funds creating a public fund for example and let the finace institutions flounder, face the comsequences of their ponzi.
@DaddyCalls There is another thing, the "general public" as you call most of the american citizens and the citizens of the world, are only victims in this scheme. Blaming the general population for this debacle is not correct, since the ponzi scheme, the hallucinatory mentality of get-rich-quick no matter what, has been induced by the media, shich is just a tentacle of the financiers who run the show. Indulgement, enjoying excesses, have been marketed very well in the media, and the public fell.
If you lowclass retards didnt loan for more than you could afford this wouldnt happend. stop blaming investmentbankers for taking advantage of your stupidity.
Call me monster and whine some more, i'll just keep ballin' in my G6
Plus...GET THIS, when my husband & I applied for a loan in 2004 Wells Fargo wanted me to fudge my personal income so we could get a bigger loan which I refused to do. My primary "job" was selling Avon.....AVON mind you. This should be no surprise to anyone what they did but even I knew back then it was wrong to do & many people did it, I was told by the lender don't worry no one will check the validity of it.
For the life of me I cannot understand, & never will, WHY no one was indicted or went to prison for this??? I'm 37 yrs old I guess I'm learning something new everyday....then again maybe not.
great movie, it ultimately portrays the utter catastrophe and failure we know as the us government. and its very funny how they claim there is no connection but lehman brothers goes under and we bail out AIG the next day? loool. we should see our government doesnt serve us anymore, they serve the big boys in corporate that run their own agendas (like taking out lehman bros)
unbelievable propaganda, who are you trying to convince? will 50% of the population keep a revolution from happening? You have already numbed us down with media, entertainment, and sports to keep us divided and under the delusion that we are free and have a choice. Democrat? Republican? Coke? Pepsi? anyone? your unrelenting lust for power your messiah comes prophesied in the bible. When our Lord Jesus returns He will expose evil and He will be the one doing the dividing (SHEEP AND GOATS!!)
@trubornagain I thought you were a voice of sanity till you brought up the end times. And furthermore, I know its an analogy, but do you believe that the creator of the universe prefers sheep over goats? Run your analogy through that thought.
LIKE THIS IF YOU THINK "TOO BIG TO FAIL" IS BULSHIT!
In a capitalistic society (which we live in, not a democracy), companies should fail to open up chances to let small businesses to get ahead. There are no more entrepreneurs unless you create a app for a phone now in days. spread the love and yes I am still proud to live in this country.
@Ruttie2 haha :) your so pessimistic! I love it bro, If someone were to kill you the world would be a better place! :) I realize the world is a messed up place but I love my family and friends and people that I have met. I know I can't change your views but be happy!! your vids are dope though and I wish more people knew about the illuminati. Have you ever watched the Zietgeist? It's another dope video
@brettmfm Well, ofcourse i might be wrong calling them the ''illuminati''. But it is confirmed small
corporations own the world, so no theories. The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence. To me, you're just a bunch of fucking morons, it's so goddamn obvious you're being screwed in the ass. That's what seperates me from morons like you. So yeah, i'm proud to be a FREE spirit. Yes i've seen zeitgeist, they're nasty lyars, why?
@Ruttie2 your a fucking idiot and don't know how to control the mass people. Maybe you should research the way you direct your audience before you become negligent. You obviously don't understand how easy it is to take control of the mass's. I'm sitting here watching a video on the corporate, hence"Too Big to Fail" and yet you say the comment "The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence."Cont..
@Ruttie2 As before, your stupid comments are a result of your pathetic life. You probably lack motivation and work a dead end job. So I can completely understand why your the way you. A "free spirit" is a little much because I am one in the same as you are but the difference is I understand that the corporate run world, I just choose to enjoy my life and not hate on other peoples opinions. (unless it's FOX News of Course) etc... Don't me mad at me because I laugh at your ignorant comments.Smile
@Ruttie2 oh and about the zeitgeist, I like their videos because for the ignorant masses, it allows people to open up their eyes a little bit wider. We don't get alot of views because the media is ran by corporate, and of course having a subject that degrades the corporate world doesn't help. I do stand behind the videos you have and completely agree. Just stop being such a negative nancy about it. It might help bro
@77musica The funny thing is that they call me a ''conspiracy theorist''. But i believe it were conspiracy theorists who knew the earth was ROUND. Geez, these people are so stupid...
@brettmfm Well, ofcourse i might be wrong calling them the ''illuminati''. But it is confirmed small
corporations own the world, so no theories. The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence. To me, you're just a bunch of fucking morons, it's so goddamn obvious you're being screwed in the ass. That's what seperates me from morons like you. So yeah, i'm proud to be a FREE spirit. Yes i've seen zeitgeist, they're fucking lyars, why?
@brettmfm I disagree what's happening in America now isn't capitalism it's corporatism the politicians, bureaucrats even the damn supreme court is brought and paid for. The financial sector's have more power & influence on our policies than the people, no one has gone to jail for this fraud. This country is going threw some Marie Antoinette let them eat cake shit. This isn't about dems & repubs or measuring patriotism for many the american dream has become a nightmare.
@chakazulu87 You're absolutely right. What's going on in Wall Street is a criminal mockery of of the democratic process, point blank, period, end of story.
@chakazulu87 this is not happening NOW the USA, it's as old as the world itself. it's not an american thing, it's a worldwide thing. funny how people have the need to point out those "irregularities" in the political/economical world & think they discovered those issues all by themselves that are happening since a couple of years in their opinion....they're not, they are as old as prostitution & the world just can't seem to work without them! MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND YOU FOOLS! GOT IT ?!?
@chakazulu87 it's as worst as in comunism few people on the top take everything and the rest is impozed a socialist capitalism ,EU is USSR in the mirror no elected leader a big oversized goverment 50% of the gdp and bussines as usual means pass a law create a bussines ,to bad america is going the same way ,when i heard that in the most capitalist country of the world the goverment saved multinationals with taxpayers money i realized that the rea sistem we all unfortunately live in
This film is bullshit! Their being potrayed as if thay gave a shit about the people. Their even made to look as if their shocked by what happened, and to blame the consumer? phffff! You give a dog a sausage he's going to eat it.
what..wait omg how did this happen..uhh gee golly I'm so innocently confused
The whole movie is just laughable but downright most ridiculous scene is when all the politicians are looking at the proposed bill & that helluva guy barney frank who's just so concerned with the working man says
'your giving all the money to the banks but what about the average joe who's about to lose his home'
Monetary systems are unsustainable; extreme wealth concentration or collapse is inevitable. Collapse has been delayed, and currently less than 1% of the US population controls over 90% of the wealth.
We have to take the next step forward and evolve past this system.
All it is is knowing how big money games work; people who do this for a living create nothing, maintain nothing, provide nothing, they just play high risk money games because they get it and because they get off on the thrill. The fact that they have to do it with our money is something they simply avoid thinking about. And they hate the rules of the game, and so play another game to get them reduced or eliminated. Normal people don't think like this. Crazy egomaniacs do.
@jerico641 Actors, in order to give a convincing performance, need to find within themselves, a kernal of empathy for the character they are playing. Even an actor playing Hitler must find a part of him that empathizes with the mad man. That is why so many actors are politicaly liberal. They have taken the time and effort to understand the "evil" in our world. It is akin to what Jesus was trying to say. We all have the potential for the evil and must use it to understand and forgive.
after companies like Citi, UBS, etc almost went bankrupt, I like to say,,, I had more respect for Osama bin Laden, then I did for most wall street presidents, Millions hated osama ( including me of course), but millions loved him,,, NO ONE Loves wall street presidents except maybe his spouse, they did not care about the employees, stockholders, etc, just their bonus, they all got golden parachutes,, ps great movie
pattern in the US and Global financial crisis historically: Lending, debt, default. IF They can't afford it, They shouldn't be able to buy it. nevertheless, the greedy bastards of all generations attract the stupid Joe into believing he can afford it and that crackpot dream of false prosperity is known as american dream. Wake up people. But in the end the cycle will repeat again and again.
I would suggest you actually read the book. Or I guess you could go back to watching Fox News, because THAT organization and their parent corporation are the pillar of integrity, as we've all seen so much recently, yeah...
To those who critisize the movie, I agree about all arguments but the movie isn't about the cause of the crisis. It's about the crisis itself. All the piece of the chess game are already in place when the movie start and all the people who are in the movies a accountable of what happened from Paulson to Bernanke. But but the story tell us how they managed to deal with the crisis and to show us their human side is very interesting. There is no pure evil or pure good in this world.
You must have been watching a different movie my friend. Paulson is shown to make several game-changing F'ups. Fuld is shown to be a greedy bastard that also F'ed up royally. I'd hardly call their characterizations "heroic"...
And by the way, Texas224, Paulson did go down on his knees to beg Pelosi ala Richard Nixon to Henry Kissinger. Didn't you ever read "The Final Days"? This shit really happened...
Some people have no idea just how incredibly connected everything is, and they arm chair, a situation they have no actual understanding of. Despite what some of you might think about these men, the fact is, they were the only ones that could prevent the unimaginable, and by going against their very nature, regardless if your house was paid off or not, if it all came down, it would have been hell on earth. people would have starved to death.
TARP may have kept the banks alive. BUT YOU INJECTED POISON INTO THE DOLLAR!!!! Wall Street, Government, and people are fine as long as you throw money at them. But you poison THE CURRENCY when you print it from nothing.
@americanjedi77 dude come on. there's legitimate arguments for what you're saying, but 'by design'? Do you have any idea how complicated the system of system of subprime debt and corresponding default swaps actually is? And how did Geithner profit from this? He argued that banks were spreading out toxic risk rather than diversifying it years before the collapse. Secondly, he's aged about 25 years since 2008. Explain to me just one way this was by design. Hold my fucking hand through it.
@americanjedi77 what's your source on that big guy? not taking a side here but you can't throw out shit like that and leave it alone...were you directly involved? a friend, family member?
This movie is just payed for by the same bankster gangsters who are still stealing all of your money right now. Hell, they produced this brainwash film with your money. Watch FALL OF THE REPUBLIC here on you tube and learn the real truth.
The TARP is just morphine on the financial system, it is not a surgery or a fix. The problem remained and now is bigger. We could just use cash injections anytime anybody got into financial trouble. But sooner or later, morphine will not stop the body from dying when it's sick, instead it actually can make the real problem worse. Cash injections causes inflation which will result in a dollar collapse that will be bigger than the problem portrayed in this film.
Fareed you had alot of people that lost everything in savings because a group of fuck faces on wall street was trying to get as much money as they can without thinking and that my friend was the main fucking issue.
Fareed Zakarie's get the fuck out of here with that stupid ass comment. I didn't earn or gain shit from all this. I work my ass off everyday and i already had my house way before this shit even happened so for you to say everyone gained something from this is bullshit. I didn't take a loan out for nothing like a car. house, or boat. I already had my car paid off so what did i take from the bailout. let me answer that for you. NOTHING!!!. Just like alot of other people.
Fareed Zakarie's comments that "every american" took advantage of this in some way , is pure BS . millions of americans did not benefit from this .. but we are the ones paying for it and that is wrong !
Fareed Zakarie's comments that "every american took advantage of this in some way , is pure BS . millions of americans did not benefit from this .. but we are the ones paying for it and that is wrong !
Yes but everything in the movie happened under the previous admin, so how is that supporting the current admin. That doesn't make any logical sense ;)
Clearly a poor attempt to WHITEWASH the truth and keep the public in the dark about what REALLY happened. Just like that Moron Michael Moore's 9/11 documentary was made to white wash the real truth, the same with this. Do you people REALLY think for a moment that a masonic, illuminati, group like HBO films will really tell you guys the truth and expose themselves? Theirs ALWAYS a hidden agenda with hollywood. PERIOD!
@WilteredFire Powerful masonic and illuminati conspiracies, are like believing in fairies and sprites. Come back to the real world. You watch too many faux history documentaries on cable tv.
Lack of accountability is to blame...moral hazard lives on wall street...for far too long CEO'S money manager's and financial executives make bad decisions take way too much risk and nobody is to blame or held accountable when it all goes south....these people must be held accountable for their actions or else it will continue to happen....!
Lack of accountability is to blame...moral hazard lives on wall street...for far too long CEO'S money manager's and financial executives make bad decisions take waay too much risk and nobody is to blame or hels accountable when it all goes south....these people must be held accountable for their actions or else it will continue to happen....!
"the real cause of the Great D. was lack of credit, the avg joe unable to borrow...if we dont do this BO we'll have another Great Dep. only far worse"
FAR WORSE?! Are u kidding me. Just think about the implication of that. That somehow this magical number $700B was the difference between The Even Greater Depression taking effect & a thwarted disaster.
Now when ppl say the BO didnt seem to help they say maybe but it did save the world
Not in Farenheit 911, not anywhere shown in your cable acess shows.
HINT HINT STUPID AMERICANS, you live in a false bubble, look at where no one is pointing, Observe how Democrats and Republicans only agree on one issue ISREAL. Look who owns the banks, look where money are beeing sent 2, look who really profits from you war. Look who will at all means keep you looking the other way. one word of critizism is battered down into pulp.
keep playing this crap, trying to make Paulson, bernanke, Geitner Fuld and the rest of those clowns look like hero's Buffet should be in jail old bastard. The Whole Fiat System is Coming down in Greece, Yes The Good and very Brave people of Greece have Spoken they don't want your Fractional banking or The Rothchilds or IMFmoney. The Euro is Going to fall the EU is going to fall, we will hear stories that this is the end of Civiliz No just the Big bankers End. They will meet Waterloo In Greece
Wall Street propaganda portraying Paulson as a good guy, and cooking facts just a bit to defocus us from the massiveness of the flawed business model, Citi & Goldman and ex Goldman / ex Citi bankers and regulators. They are continuing business as usual with all vague and cosmetic regulation they proposed; nothing fundamentally changed on Wall Street nor in City of London.
When Topher Grace said, after they let Lehmen fail, "The New York F*cking Times"...I cringed and wanted to crawl somewhere. Terrible. The Oscar Winning Doc blows this away.
They even cant help themselves & take a shot at McCain. They say oh yea remember when he stopped his campaign to help out on the deal well actually he was a reckless asshole & the democrats had everything under control. The same democrats who passed all the bullshit legislation that fucked us up in the first place. Of course no mention of Obama either
...up on ur new rug after u just fed him loads of candy. Special interests groups in particular who have nothing better to do than fuck with people were bragging that they forced banks to give out loans to people who couldnt afford it, something about class discrimination bullshit. But whats really funny is handing out too much $ on credit created the problem & now the world will end if we dont give the banks $700B so they can keep handing out credit
@mikedd56 That's funny since the TWENTY cities with the highest rates of foreclosure are each in one of four states which just so happen to be the four states that prospered the most during the boom (Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and California). And these cities were primarily MIDDLE and UPPER MIDDLE CLASS towns. If your little talking point was true, then the highest rates of default would be in POOR CITIES and neighborhoods. They are not. The BANKS don't do ANYTHING they don't want to do.
OMG u just went on about people living outside of their means spending $ they dont have on credit. Your salary determines your class. So if working class people get loans they cant pay back to buy houses they cant afford why would those houses be in poor areas where they already live moron. Whos more likely to lose a middle class size house someone earning middle class wages or someone w/ working class wages who got a loan they couldnt pay back. Sure there were prob middle class...
...idiots who contributed to all this. But this was mostly 'every1 deserves a house' crap as in poor areas are mostly apartments and/or houses that are cheap & affordable. What are you even saying anyway that every1 is spending $ they dont have being irresponsible except for poor/working class people. It seems I also have to point out that the more money you earn typically the smarter you are & vice versa. Please go ahead & tell me my logic is flawed
@mikedd56 AGAIN how could the working poor home owners be responsible for a trillion dollar banking collapse when the cities that those working poor homes exists in weren't the ones that experienced the greatest rates of foreclosure? This is not about the COSTS of foreclosures, it's about the NUMBER of foreclosures. And those numbers favor MIDDLE and UPPER MIDDLE CLASS cities. Obviously you don't make much money because BASIC MATH and LOGIC is beyond your grasp.
Because you idiot when people get loans they cant pay back to buy houses they cant afford it means they were living above their means, so obviously they upgraded to an area & house they couldnt afford & had to move back to the lower area when they couldnt pay. But like I said theres plenty of blame to go around, are u just like the defender of working class insisting they were completely blameless. You dont think this was about people who didnt make a lot of $ deciding that they...
@mikedd56 The institution that authorizes the loan must be required to accept the risk of the loan. any other situation will lead inevitably to bad loans being approved.
...'An Inconvenient Truth' was taken to court in England & 11 clear cut inaccuracies were officially established by the court (basically all of his major points). He even used the opening scene from 'Day After Tomorow' it shows ice caps melting in CGI & Gore put it in his film as a 'credible source.' All that and I think they still show it in our fucking schools.
@mikedd56 You don't think there are inacuracies and lies in print!? Your arguments are flawed. Why are you even talking about some other movie? We're talking about this movie. You don't think its possible to convey information acurately through visual media?
I'm sorry you people can talk about how great it was and how the movie actually was harsh on everyone, bullshit. Just think about how people this high up esp. govt people operate behind closed doors in their war rooms. The unending hypocrisy(left & right), the deception, always worrying about perception. Now just think about how all this really went down & how the film portrayed it going down. How similar do you really think they were.
@mikedd56 While at the same time Americans, who were seeing their wages decline and stagnate for thirty years, were busy living like there's no tomorrow on CREDIT. Don't act like the govt is alone in their self-deception. Americans have been deluding themselves that they have wealth they don't actually have for decades. Think about how many credit cards and how big a mortgage your parents had when they were your age. Now think about how deep in debt the average American is now. There's the key.
Well last 2yrs of Bush congress was under dem control & there is a youtube vid in 06 of congress showing concern for fannie mae & the rest of the gang (basically predicting exactly what happened) & then the response of a dozen or so democrats & barney frank in front all reassuring that there is nothing to worry about. But ur right it was a bunch of irresponsible morons who all bought a house they couldnt afford. But at the end of the day you cant really blame a lil kid for throwing...
You guys are stupid. As big a waste as the bailouts were, nothing Bernanke or Paulson did will ever compare to the complete economic deregulation that Reagan and Clinton oversaw. It's THEIR fault. Nobody wants a second Depression, and nobody wants bailouts either. The solution? More and better regulation, HURP! Keep Capitalism in check next time!
Ok. But who watches the regulators? Brooksley Borne warned Greenspan that this was a mess as far back as 05, naming AIG and GoldmanSachs specifically. The power was there to make changes, buy people like Larry Summers would have none of it. Deregulation was only part of the problem. The banks have to take responsibility for their greed. Wells Fargo didnt committ all their resources to mort-def swaps-and they came out the other end better for it.
@torr5962 Larry Summers was the President of Harvard in 2005 and busy questioning the aptitude of women. He wasn't part of the Bush administration that oversaw and IGNORED this looming disaster until it was too nearly too late.
While I didn't like the way they portray Ben and Hank in this movie. There were couple things that didn't make sense to me. They mentioned that the bailout and capital injections were the two ways to "save the world." Congress passed it the second time, so why did they bother handing out the money to the banks? And if the world was going to collapse after few days if the banks didn't take the money to lend it out. Shouldn't the world economy collapse? Because the bank didn't lend the money out!
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
...they drank it with them, then willingly gave him the keys to car knowing he was drunk. Then when he got in trouble & totaled the car his parents only bought him a lawyer because they feared with a bad record he might not grow up to become a millionaire that they could leach off of.
They actually say w/o the bailouts it would have been far worse than the great depression. Yea I'm sure, they helped us so much before.
This movie portrays all the big financial institutions as a 16yr old who took the family car w/o permission, got drunk, totaled it & now has all sorts of legal problems. The fed govt as the responsible parents who, disgusted with his behavior, just want to bail their son out of trouble b/c they love him & want whats best for him so w/o question they put up thousands for a lawyer
Back in reality - that kids parents not only provided him & his buddies with the alcohol...
Oversimplification. There's no comparison between a "16 y/o who took the family car w/o permission" and the collection of power hungry men that the movie obviously portrays. Plus, the opening scene of the movie was entirely devoted towards portraying the gov't deregulation that led to this issue. That's not exactly portraying them as "responsible parents" as you suggest. The portrayal I took away was that many saw it coming but there were no rules in place to avoid disaster.
Yea whatever, but the movies message was things would have been far worse w/o the bailouts, they say so in the behind the scene stuff 'worse than the great depression.' Gimme a break. Plus Barney Franks character in the movie was so concerned with the average american & was so surprised by this, please. There is a youtube vid of him defending Fannie Mae in like 2004 saying theres nothing to worry about. Its funny too b/c Giamatti's character gets all serious & says the real reason...
I don't see how anyone saw the movie and concluded that anyone was portrayed in a "nice/heroic" way. The movie (and this BTS vid) repetitively suggests widespread greed and self-centeredness as motives for the problem. While explaining the source of the problem, the Paulson character himself proclaimed, "WE WERE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY!" Then, the movie even goes on to criticize Paulson for giving away the capital injections with no strings attached. Not exactly a heroic portrayal.
Yea maybe so, but Paulson's character is totally surprised & appear so honest so are all the other govt characters like Barney Frank who seems so concerned with the average american, ha. The behind the scenes stuff all the actors are like yea w/o the bailouts the economy would of been worse than the great depression, in the end the govt rides in on its white horse & saves the day. Theres a utube video from 2004 or so of clips in congress with a string of republicans voicing their...
Everyone calm down. It's just a friggin movie, not the final say. Some of you seem to think the movie was too harsh on the banks. Some of you want the movie to vilify them even more. The movie clearly says that this was about greed, arrogance, panic, etc. My takeaway wasn't that anyone was being portrayed as a hero. My takeaway was that the key characters (like em or hate em) were being portrayed as trying to save face for everyone's sake. Heroism and saving face aren't exactly the same thing.
"If the American people ever allow the private banks (FED) to control the issue of currency. Th banks & corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their CHILDREN wake up HOMELESS on the continent their fathers conquered." - THOMAS JEFFERSON
That is correct IAMJacks; now the "other" side of the ones that run Wall Street have made a brainwashing movie about their bro's. It's gotta be all true if they made a movie....now it makes perfect sense since I've seen the movie "too big to fail.". That's exactly what happened!!! Bull Crap!!!! The money masters -So tight with money- didn't see it coming????
Goldpenny1 1 day ago
jewish greed = disaster
IamJacksColon4 5 days ago
The movie is basically a form of financial capitalism apologism...but well acted I will give them that but creates the illusion that bernanke, paulson and geithner are some sort of heroes
jedeye15 5 days ago
This movie is garbage propaganda, shame on HBO, how stupid do you think we are to believe this BS version of events??
mpsmike 1 week ago
Watch the new youtube video called The Gang of Four starring Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. Amazing the crime, greed, money and corruption.
GichiGumiPress 2 weeks ago
I like the line about McDonald's employees not getting paid. LOL. How stupid do they think I am? So, if I work at McDs and I don't get my paycheck because the company has gone under, guess what? I go get a new job at a place that is still in business. Why is the other place still in business? Because it pays it's employees. This isn't fucking science rocket. How the American people bought this "too big to fail" line is beyond me. And HBO is shamelessly trying to continue the lie. Fuck this BS!
Vindigary 2 weeks ago
Bull Shit HBO Bull Shit!!! More lies! How many people actually believe this shit? The "collapse" is exactly what needs to happen because it is the current financial system that is ultimately corrupt. Fuck the FED! Fuck these thieves! I hate these con artists! They all deserve to go to jail for fraud and theft, especially the politicians who were involved. These companies need to fail. Ben Bernake had our financial well-being in mind when he sold the line "too big to fail?" Bull Shit!
Vindigary 2 weeks ago
wtf, this is propaganda.
ProjectSalvo 1 month ago
what bullshit... its still there you fuk's, if you think we saved a full out great depression by bailing failing banks out you are a fuking idiot. The long run will prove my point
thumm99 1 month ago
@thumm99 Can you tell me exactly where you got your facts on this comment thumm99? I'd really like to know...exact websites that are not extreme right or left..just real facts. Thanks.
archienc45 3 weeks ago
Does anyone know where I can watch this?
catchlightdame 1 month ago
@catchlightdame uh... how bout HBO?
KaseyBrownFitness 3 weeks ago
@catchlightdame It is shown on HBO ... Comcast has multiple showing times.
pattysuedrury 3 weeks ago
fareed zakaria is tit for tat correct
chanderpaul867 1 month ago
Why is Ben barnanke on this film? He is one of the main causes of the U.S. recession. He didn't allow the derivatives to be regulated and he was warned many times before the bubble exploded that there were going to be huge consequences if he didn't regulate derivatives. If you guys want to know the full story, I recommend the documentary "Inside Job".
moctezuma2008 1 month ago
the entire world would have ground to a halt if these companies went bankrupt. they are too big and own everything. it would have affected everyone on the planet, and we really won't know what would have happened it the US didn't pump money into these banks. the problem is investment banking are investing primarily in their paychecks, who needs 100 million a year to live? and deregulation by government has provided them (bankers, my new dirty word) with ways to stop the trickle down of money.
lassiewho 1 month ago
Obey. We are the new rulers. Obey or you will pay.
CorporateRule 2 months ago
Too big to fail? The little guy was struggling before the 08 crisis and now even more after his tax money went to these worthless institutions. I say let them all fall and all of a sudden we are all at the same level. You fucked up... you deserve to fail.
MarcoWeirdOh 2 months ago
This little gang of wealthy dudes has been pulling this for a while and America is the long term results of a corporate dictatorship tapping into average citizens with fine tuned propaganda, leaving them in a haze of materials only to wake up feeling raped. Information is power, they can lie no more. People look up CIA backed military coups Guatemala by United Fruit (now Chiquita), Chile coup by BP/ARCO and more!! Its shocking, watch "Century of Self", people all over the world are suffering.
BxCAD 2 months ago
Youtube: The Money Masters ... for the REAL story..
ShaktipatSeer2 3 months ago
I would probably be downvoted but, i watched this movie just for topher grace (Eric ofcourse) , but after this i would probably see "Inside Job" for more honest and less dramatic picture.
vadiethestar 3 months ago
@jrosie3 Are you saying information cannot be conveyed through the medium of film, only print? or what media do you approve, painting? recorded tape? chalk on chalk board? You avoided the argument by attacking the source of the info. Way to avoid the issue. Are you a politician? if not maybe you should consider it as a career, cause you are so good at addressing the point at hand.
gcahn2 3 months ago
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You are hilarious, arguing movies as a credible source. First Hollywood is totally left wing slanted. Second a movie particularly one like this is someone else's version of things. Its what ever the hell someone wants it to be no one is there to dispute or make sure the facts are straight. You cant argue with a movie screen. All that can be done is journalists/critics report inaccuracies later that they find in the film. But most believers of the film dont read that shit anyway. Hell...
mikedd56 3 months ago
We can all thank Greenspan for getting rid of Glass–Steagall Act to create this Too Big To Fail crap that got us into more trouble. We all know now that Federal Reserve is a private bank and like Greenspan said, they're above the law apparently.
Ganseblumchen12 3 months ago
@Ganseblumchen12 man greenspan created the shit in the financial sector but look again everything is going on the same path every sector is dominated by huge companies car industry it industry fashion alcohool cigaretes not mentioning oil all are too big to fail not only the financial sector we need anti trust laws hardend in order to be imposible to create world giants ,look at GM saved if tesla could buy a cheap factory maybe the would be the next henry ford inovators and s on
io007a 2 months ago
@jrosie3 Thanks for the right wing talking points lesson. Absolve everyone but the government and Barney Franks. You need to watch the movie and learn something. There is plenty of blame to go around including right wing haters of regulation.
gcahn2 3 months ago
At 15:00 They said that if the govmnt didn't step in we would have had something worse than we have. Translation: something bad would have happened to ME and MY family and MY friends. Now that I'm ok and my family and friends are ok, to hell with those that got screwed.
gcahn2 3 months ago
The Devil's Lawyer ... that's what it should be called !
doldei 4 months ago
This is like giving an alcoholic another chance after his 3rd DUI...
george6900 4 months ago
15:10 This actually explains so much about why Ben Bernanke does the things he is doing now.
13lackLight 4 months ago
How the fuck is this even real? This is the weirdest fucking documentary. This is the exact opposite regarding what happened....
SevenFootPelican 4 months ago
He said Golden Sachs at 6:16...
swangmusic 4 months ago
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swangmusic 4 months ago
I just watched this and i got to tell you. For reasons i cant understand,I'm shaking right now. This movie scared the heck out of me!
It seems to me that somehow,this was all plained out before hand in order to put more money into the hands of people who caused this is the 1st place. Now after all of the hand outs we are right back where we started from. Teetering on the edge of the abyss.
It's all going to come crashing down,all they have done is slow the rate of fall.
zLOSTNOMOREz 4 months ago
According to this HBO documentary, Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld and the other crooks are saints. Sorry HBO, but nobody is buying your history. This "documentary" must have been paid by the financial masters of the world. Shame on HBO, just little puppets of the status-quo, as well as Hollywood.
fahernandezp1 4 months ago 13
@fahernandezp1 how would you have handled the situation? i'm not having a go at you. I just can't see how it could have been handled differently considering how far along it had progressed. Paulson should never have been in that position in the first place, no matter how well he could have done he would never be beyond suspicion. I just want another option that could have made things better considering the hole that the banks and the general public dug for ourselves.
DaddyCalls 3 months ago
@DaddyCalls Americans seem to have forgotten, or totally ignored, the meaning of CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. This principle of transparency is been flagrantly violated at all levels of government, and that is one of the causes of the debacle. 1) The "crisis" shouldn´t have happened in the first place. 2) I would have, for example, with tax payers money, rescued only retirement funds creating a public fund for example and let the finace institutions flounder, face the comsequences of their ponzi.
fahernandezp1 3 months ago
@DaddyCalls There is another thing, the "general public" as you call most of the american citizens and the citizens of the world, are only victims in this scheme. Blaming the general population for this debacle is not correct, since the ponzi scheme, the hallucinatory mentality of get-rich-quick no matter what, has been induced by the media, shich is just a tentacle of the financiers who run the show. Indulgement, enjoying excesses, have been marketed very well in the media, and the public fell.
fahernandezp1 3 months ago
If you lowclass retards didnt loan for more than you could afford this wouldnt happend. stop blaming investmentbankers for taking advantage of your stupidity.
Call me monster and whine some more, i'll just keep ballin' in my G6
PlayClaner 4 months ago
7:30 look at his reptilian eyes....
maxmolina128 4 months ago
Plus...GET THIS, when my husband & I applied for a loan in 2004 Wells Fargo wanted me to fudge my personal income so we could get a bigger loan which I refused to do. My primary "job" was selling Avon.....AVON mind you. This should be no surprise to anyone what they did but even I knew back then it was wrong to do & many people did it, I was told by the lender don't worry no one will check the validity of it.
Anglynn74 4 months ago
For the life of me I cannot understand, & never will, WHY no one was indicted or went to prison for this??? I'm 37 yrs old I guess I'm learning something new everyday....then again maybe not.
Anglynn74 4 months ago
great movie, it ultimately portrays the utter catastrophe and failure we know as the us government. and its very funny how they claim there is no connection but lehman brothers goes under and we bail out AIG the next day? loool. we should see our government doesnt serve us anymore, they serve the big boys in corporate that run their own agendas (like taking out lehman bros)
Jarekx2007 4 months ago
unbelievable propaganda, who are you trying to convince? will 50% of the population keep a revolution from happening? You have already numbed us down with media, entertainment, and sports to keep us divided and under the delusion that we are free and have a choice. Democrat? Republican? Coke? Pepsi? anyone? your unrelenting lust for power your messiah comes prophesied in the bible. When our Lord Jesus returns He will expose evil and He will be the one doing the dividing (SHEEP AND GOATS!!)
trubornagain 4 months ago
@trubornagain I thought you were a voice of sanity till you brought up the end times. And furthermore, I know its an analogy, but do you believe that the creator of the universe prefers sheep over goats? Run your analogy through that thought.
gcahn2 3 months ago
It will get worse, stick around puppets...
77musica 4 months ago
The bankers don't give a FUCK about the people, you fucktards will be sniffin' the streets for the last amounts of food soon.
Ruttie2 5 months ago
so this is all eric forman's fault?
obaidCarkey 5 months ago
LIKE THIS IF YOU THINK "TOO BIG TO FAIL" IS BULSHIT!
In a capitalistic society (which we live in, not a democracy), companies should fail to open up chances to let small businesses to get ahead. There are no more entrepreneurs unless you create a app for a phone now in days. spread the love and yes I am still proud to live in this country.
brettmfm 5 months ago
@brettmfm Idiot.
Ruttie2 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 haha Illuminati!!
brettmfm 5 months ago
@brettmfm haha dumbass!!
Ruttie2 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 haha :) your so pessimistic! I love it bro, If someone were to kill you the world would be a better place! :) I realize the world is a messed up place but I love my family and friends and people that I have met. I know I can't change your views but be happy!! your vids are dope though and I wish more people knew about the illuminati. Have you ever watched the Zietgeist? It's another dope video
brettmfm 5 months ago
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Ruttie2 5 months ago
@brettmfm Well, ofcourse i might be wrong calling them the ''illuminati''. But it is confirmed small
corporations own the world, so no theories. The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence. To me, you're just a bunch of fucking morons, it's so goddamn obvious you're being screwed in the ass. That's what seperates me from morons like you. So yeah, i'm proud to be a FREE spirit. Yes i've seen zeitgeist, they're nasty lyars, why?
Ruttie2 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 your a fucking idiot and don't know how to control the mass people. Maybe you should research the way you direct your audience before you become negligent. You obviously don't understand how easy it is to take control of the mass's. I'm sitting here watching a video on the corporate, hence"Too Big to Fail" and yet you say the comment "The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence."Cont..
brettmfm 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 As before, your stupid comments are a result of your pathetic life. You probably lack motivation and work a dead end job. So I can completely understand why your the way you. A "free spirit" is a little much because I am one in the same as you are but the difference is I understand that the corporate run world, I just choose to enjoy my life and not hate on other peoples opinions. (unless it's FOX News of Course) etc... Don't me mad at me because I laugh at your ignorant comments.Smile
brettmfm 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 oh and about the zeitgeist, I like their videos because for the ignorant masses, it allows people to open up their eyes a little bit wider. We don't get alot of views because the media is ran by corporate, and of course having a subject that degrades the corporate world doesn't help. I do stand behind the videos you have and completely agree. Just stop being such a negative nancy about it. It might help bro
brettmfm 5 months ago
@brettmfm I'm not negative, you people are.
Ruttie2 5 months ago
@Ruttie2 I agree, most people are fucking monkeys and morons, everybody wanted a fucking house to impress their fucking idiot neighbors.
77musica 4 months ago
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@77musica The funny thing is that they call me a ''conspiracy theorist''. But i believe it were conspiracy theorists who knew the earth was ROUND. Geez, these people are so stupid...
Ruttie2 4 months ago
@brettmfm Well, ofcourse i might be wrong calling them the ''illuminati''. But it is confirmed small
corporations own the world, so no theories. The reason i don't get views, is because you people are too dumb and only care about boobs and violence. To me, you're just a bunch of fucking morons, it's so goddamn obvious you're being screwed in the ass. That's what seperates me from morons like you. So yeah, i'm proud to be a FREE spirit. Yes i've seen zeitgeist, they're fucking lyars, why?
Ruttie2 5 months ago
@brettmfm I disagree what's happening in America now isn't capitalism it's corporatism the politicians, bureaucrats even the damn supreme court is brought and paid for. The financial sector's have more power & influence on our policies than the people, no one has gone to jail for this fraud. This country is going threw some Marie Antoinette let them eat cake shit. This isn't about dems & repubs or measuring patriotism for many the american dream has become a nightmare.
chakazulu87 4 months ago 21
@chakazulu87 You're absolutely right. What's going on in Wall Street is a criminal mockery of of the democratic process, point blank, period, end of story.
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MrFanAmerica 2 months ago
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@chakazulu87 this is not happening NOW the USA, it's as old as the world itself. it's not an american thing, it's a worldwide thing. funny how people have the need to point out those "irregularities" in the political/economical world & think they discovered those issues all by themselves that are happening since a couple of years in their opinion....they're not, they are as old as prostitution & the world just can't seem to work without them! MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND YOU FOOLS! GOT IT ?!?
MrFanAmerica 2 months ago
@chakazulu87 it's as worst as in comunism few people on the top take everything and the rest is impozed a socialist capitalism ,EU is USSR in the mirror no elected leader a big oversized goverment 50% of the gdp and bussines as usual means pass a law create a bussines ,to bad america is going the same way ,when i heard that in the most capitalist country of the world the goverment saved multinationals with taxpayers money i realized that the rea sistem we all unfortunately live in
io007a 2 months ago
15:47 the effect of [TARP] was not to restore trust in banks but to restore confidence. ... the take home lesson: DON'T TRUST BANKS WITH YOUR MONEY!
WMsReligion 5 months ago
This film is bullshit! Their being potrayed as if thay gave a shit about the people. Their even made to look as if their shocked by what happened, and to blame the consumer? phffff! You give a dog a sausage he's going to eat it.
morrismagic08 5 months ago
great movie
wildfratto 5 months ago
The whole movie everyone is portrayed as
what..wait omg how did this happen..uhh gee golly I'm so innocently confused
The whole movie is just laughable but downright most ridiculous scene is when all the politicians are looking at the proposed bill & that helluva guy barney frank who's just so concerned with the working man says
'your giving all the money to the banks but what about the average joe who's about to lose his home'
mikedd56 5 months ago
@mikedd56 what's your point? What are you saying? Barney Franks didn't utter those words? How would you know that?
gcahn2 3 months ago
as long as there are things like greed and jealously we are all doomed . LOL
kgabong 5 months ago
Monetary systems are unsustainable; extreme wealth concentration or collapse is inevitable. Collapse has been delayed, and currently less than 1% of the US population controls over 90% of the wealth.
We have to take the next step forward and evolve past this system.
thisguyoverhere1 6 months ago
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TheAmycharron 6 months ago
that is pretty funny...
still waiting on the zombie apokolypse
sirloin869 6 months ago
All it is is knowing how big money games work; people who do this for a living create nothing, maintain nothing, provide nothing, they just play high risk money games because they get it and because they get off on the thrill. The fact that they have to do it with our money is something they simply avoid thinking about. And they hate the rules of the game, and so play another game to get them reduced or eliminated. Normal people don't think like this. Crazy egomaniacs do.
jerico641 6 months ago
The trouble is, I believe that James Woods actually believes what his character is saying (i.e. the consumers were the cause of the collapse).
jerico641 6 months ago
@jerico641 Actors, in order to give a convincing performance, need to find within themselves, a kernal of empathy for the character they are playing. Even an actor playing Hitler must find a part of him that empathizes with the mad man. That is why so many actors are politicaly liberal. They have taken the time and effort to understand the "evil" in our world. It is akin to what Jesus was trying to say. We all have the potential for the evil and must use it to understand and forgive.
gcahn2 3 months ago
@gcahn2
I agree with most of what you're saying, but my point was that I believe James Woods is actually a social and economic conservative in real life.
jerico641 3 months ago
after companies like Citi, UBS, etc almost went bankrupt, I like to say,,, I had more respect for Osama bin Laden, then I did for most wall street presidents, Millions hated osama ( including me of course), but millions loved him,,, NO ONE Loves wall street presidents except maybe his spouse, they did not care about the employees, stockholders, etc, just their bonus, they all got golden parachutes,, ps great movie
JazzKeyboardist1 6 months ago
@ninjashade411 seriously are you kidding?
75002m 6 months ago
Love seeing the rich on here bitching , crybaby thieving bastards...
75002m 6 months ago
pattern in the US and Global financial crisis historically: Lending, debt, default. IF They can't afford it, They shouldn't be able to buy it. nevertheless, the greedy bastards of all generations attract the stupid Joe into believing he can afford it and that crackpot dream of false prosperity is known as american dream. Wake up people. But in the end the cycle will repeat again and again.
hawkeye1018 7 months ago
@jrosie3
I would suggest you actually read the book. Or I guess you could go back to watching Fox News, because THAT organization and their parent corporation are the pillar of integrity, as we've all seen so much recently, yeah...
don4321 7 months ago
To those who critisize the movie, I agree about all arguments but the movie isn't about the cause of the crisis. It's about the crisis itself. All the piece of the chess game are already in place when the movie start and all the people who are in the movies a accountable of what happened from Paulson to Bernanke. But but the story tell us how they managed to deal with the crisis and to show us their human side is very interesting. There is no pure evil or pure good in this world.
Aanthaf 7 months ago
1. Meat. Eat meat every second day instead of every day.
2. Money. Your money is not safe in the bank.
3. Mind. You need time and energy to adapt to new situations. Plan.
bvssvni 7 months ago
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I think you all need to read Liberty Defined by Ron Paul.
GotGetGut 7 months ago
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I thought it was an excellent movie.
Themiddlepeople 7 months ago
You must have been watching a different movie my friend. Paulson is shown to make several game-changing F'ups. Fuld is shown to be a greedy bastard that also F'ed up royally. I'd hardly call their characterizations "heroic"...
And by the way, Texas224, Paulson did go down on his knees to beg Pelosi ala Richard Nixon to Henry Kissinger. Didn't you ever read "The Final Days"? This shit really happened...
don4321 7 months ago
Some people have no idea just how incredibly connected everything is, and they arm chair, a situation they have no actual understanding of. Despite what some of you might think about these men, the fact is, they were the only ones that could prevent the unimaginable, and by going against their very nature, regardless if your house was paid off or not, if it all came down, it would have been hell on earth. people would have starved to death.
Kicksalotofassasarus 7 months ago
TARP may have kept the banks alive. BUT YOU INJECTED POISON INTO THE DOLLAR!!!! Wall Street, Government, and people are fine as long as you throw money at them. But you poison THE CURRENCY when you print it from nothing.
beallendall08 7 months ago
@beallendall08 The poison was injected into the system long before tarp. The trouble is that every "fix" comes with its own set of new problems.
gcahn2 3 months ago
@americanjedi77 dude come on. there's legitimate arguments for what you're saying, but 'by design'? Do you have any idea how complicated the system of system of subprime debt and corresponding default swaps actually is? And how did Geithner profit from this? He argued that banks were spreading out toxic risk rather than diversifying it years before the collapse. Secondly, he's aged about 25 years since 2008. Explain to me just one way this was by design. Hold my fucking hand through it.
breakneck21 8 months ago
@americanjedi77 what's your source on that big guy? not taking a side here but you can't throw out shit like that and leave it alone...were you directly involved? a friend, family member?
breakneck21 8 months ago
This movie is just payed for by the same bankster gangsters who are still stealing all of your money right now. Hell, they produced this brainwash film with your money. Watch FALL OF THE REPUBLIC here on you tube and learn the real truth.
Ranlon 8 months ago
The TARP is just morphine on the financial system, it is not a surgery or a fix. The problem remained and now is bigger. We could just use cash injections anytime anybody got into financial trouble. But sooner or later, morphine will not stop the body from dying when it's sick, instead it actually can make the real problem worse. Cash injections causes inflation which will result in a dollar collapse that will be bigger than the problem portrayed in this film.
beallendall08 8 months ago
Fareed you had alot of people that lost everything in savings because a group of fuck faces on wall street was trying to get as much money as they can without thinking and that my friend was the main fucking issue.
NJNC12 8 months ago
Fareed Zakarie's get the fuck out of here with that stupid ass comment. I didn't earn or gain shit from all this. I work my ass off everyday and i already had my house way before this shit even happened so for you to say everyone gained something from this is bullshit. I didn't take a loan out for nothing like a car. house, or boat. I already had my car paid off so what did i take from the bailout. let me answer that for you. NOTHING!!!. Just like alot of other people.
NJNC12 8 months ago
Fareed Zakarie's comments that "every american" took advantage of this in some way , is pure BS . millions of americans did not benefit from this .. but we are the ones paying for it and that is wrong !
MultiDouglasD 8 months ago
Fareed Zakarie's comments that "every american took advantage of this in some way , is pure BS . millions of americans did not benefit from this .. but we are the ones paying for it and that is wrong !
MultiDouglasD 8 months ago
This whole HBO thing is to prop up the current administration and support for T.A.R.P.
dubya12825 8 months ago
@dubya12825
Yes but everything in the movie happened under the previous admin, so how is that supporting the current admin. That doesn't make any logical sense ;)
chevon1920 8 months ago
Clearly a poor attempt to WHITEWASH the truth and keep the public in the dark about what REALLY happened. Just like that Moron Michael Moore's 9/11 documentary was made to white wash the real truth, the same with this. Do you people REALLY think for a moment that a masonic, illuminati, group like HBO films will really tell you guys the truth and expose themselves? Theirs ALWAYS a hidden agenda with hollywood. PERIOD!
WilteredFire 8 months ago 2
@WilteredFire You are insane.
TheBlackNinjaMan 8 months ago
@WilteredFire Powerful masonic and illuminati conspiracies, are like believing in fairies and sprites. Come back to the real world. You watch too many faux history documentaries on cable tv.
gcahn2 3 months ago
Lack of accountability is to blame...moral hazard lives on wall street...for far too long CEO'S money manager's and financial executives make bad decisions take way too much risk and nobody is to blame or held accountable when it all goes south....these people must be held accountable for their actions or else it will continue to happen....!
daveisatrini 8 months ago
Lack of accountability is to blame...moral hazard lives on wall street...for far too long CEO'S money manager's and financial executives make bad decisions take waay too much risk and nobody is to blame or hels accountable when it all goes south....these people must be held accountable for their actions or else it will continue to happen....!
daveisatrini 8 months ago
1:12:30 Giamati's overly dramatic speech
"the real cause of the Great D. was lack of credit, the avg joe unable to borrow...if we dont do this BO we'll have another Great Dep. only far worse"
FAR WORSE?! Are u kidding me. Just think about the implication of that. That somehow this magical number $700B was the difference between The Even Greater Depression taking effect & a thwarted disaster.
Now when ppl say the BO didnt seem to help they say maybe but it did save the world
mikedd56 8 months ago
This movie is nothing more than a parson suck piece
avataz 8 months ago
Ofcourse no where I$rael will not be mentioned.
Not in Farenheit 911, not anywhere shown in your cable acess shows.
HINT HINT STUPID AMERICANS, you live in a false bubble, look at where no one is pointing, Observe how Democrats and Republicans only agree on one issue ISREAL. Look who owns the banks, look where money are beeing sent 2, look who really profits from you war. Look who will at all means keep you looking the other way. one word of critizism is battered down into pulp.
open your eyes
simonistic 8 months ago
All of this shit is blamed on Obama by some.
tw1704 8 months ago
keep playing this crap, trying to make Paulson, bernanke, Geitner Fuld and the rest of those clowns look like hero's Buffet should be in jail old bastard. The Whole Fiat System is Coming down in Greece, Yes The Good and very Brave people of Greece have Spoken they don't want your Fractional banking or The Rothchilds or IMFmoney. The Euro is Going to fall the EU is going to fall, we will hear stories that this is the end of Civiliz No just the Big bankers End. They will meet Waterloo In Greece
espinozafn 8 months ago 12
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@espinozafn End of the world in 2012??
bumsokee 7 months ago
@espinozafn you should read the book , Man, Greed and the Economy , it starts out with where greed comes from and brings everything up to date
jhunted7667 5 months ago
oh if only there really were Eric Forman at the time, then there would be no crisis... :D
tasdox1 8 months ago
Charlie RUNKLE !! 7:55
valchadha 8 months ago
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valchadha 8 months ago
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the jews are destroying our country, we must destroy them
murderkikes 8 months ago
Fuckers.
SOTWCFX 8 months ago
Wall Street propaganda portraying Paulson as a good guy, and cooking facts just a bit to defocus us from the massiveness of the flawed business model, Citi & Goldman and ex Goldman / ex Citi bankers and regulators. They are continuing business as usual with all vague and cosmetic regulation they proposed; nothing fundamentally changed on Wall Street nor in City of London.
KanchoKomancho 8 months ago
When Topher Grace said, after they let Lehmen fail, "The New York F*cking Times"...I cringed and wanted to crawl somewhere. Terrible. The Oscar Winning Doc blows this away.
torr5962 8 months ago
wow..go check out minute 9 to minute 9:13 and you will see a perfect candidate for the reptilian conspiracy which i dont believe in
stylgiannoutsos 8 months ago
They even cant help themselves & take a shot at McCain. They say oh yea remember when he stopped his campaign to help out on the deal well actually he was a reckless asshole & the democrats had everything under control. The same democrats who passed all the bullshit legislation that fucked us up in the first place. Of course no mention of Obama either
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mikedd56 sorry but the DEREGULATION of the banks happened under a GOP Congress. But thanks for playing Neocon Lapdog of the Day anyway.
priorzola 8 months ago
@priorzola
...up on ur new rug after u just fed him loads of candy. Special interests groups in particular who have nothing better to do than fuck with people were bragging that they forced banks to give out loans to people who couldnt afford it, something about class discrimination bullshit. But whats really funny is handing out too much $ on credit created the problem & now the world will end if we dont give the banks $700B so they can keep handing out credit
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mikedd56 That's funny since the TWENTY cities with the highest rates of foreclosure are each in one of four states which just so happen to be the four states that prospered the most during the boom (Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and California). And these cities were primarily MIDDLE and UPPER MIDDLE CLASS towns. If your little talking point was true, then the highest rates of default would be in POOR CITIES and neighborhoods. They are not. The BANKS don't do ANYTHING they don't want to do.
priorzola 8 months ago
@priorzola
OMG u just went on about people living outside of their means spending $ they dont have on credit. Your salary determines your class. So if working class people get loans they cant pay back to buy houses they cant afford why would those houses be in poor areas where they already live moron. Whos more likely to lose a middle class size house someone earning middle class wages or someone w/ working class wages who got a loan they couldnt pay back. Sure there were prob middle class...
mikedd56 8 months ago
@priorzola
...idiots who contributed to all this. But this was mostly 'every1 deserves a house' crap as in poor areas are mostly apartments and/or houses that are cheap & affordable. What are you even saying anyway that every1 is spending $ they dont have being irresponsible except for poor/working class people. It seems I also have to point out that the more money you earn typically the smarter you are & vice versa. Please go ahead & tell me my logic is flawed
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mikedd56 AGAIN how could the working poor home owners be responsible for a trillion dollar banking collapse when the cities that those working poor homes exists in weren't the ones that experienced the greatest rates of foreclosure? This is not about the COSTS of foreclosures, it's about the NUMBER of foreclosures. And those numbers favor MIDDLE and UPPER MIDDLE CLASS cities. Obviously you don't make much money because BASIC MATH and LOGIC is beyond your grasp.
priorzola 8 months ago
@priorzola
Because you idiot when people get loans they cant pay back to buy houses they cant afford it means they were living above their means, so obviously they upgraded to an area & house they couldnt afford & had to move back to the lower area when they couldnt pay. But like I said theres plenty of blame to go around, are u just like the defender of working class insisting they were completely blameless. You dont think this was about people who didnt make a lot of $ deciding that they...
mikedd56 7 months ago
@priorzola
...deserved a house even tho they couldnt afford one. Or people being envious of those who made more money than them. What are you saying
mikedd56 7 months ago
@mikedd56 The institution that authorizes the loan must be required to accept the risk of the loan. any other situation will lead inevitably to bad loans being approved.
gcahn2 3 months ago
@gcahn2
...'An Inconvenient Truth' was taken to court in England & 11 clear cut inaccuracies were officially established by the court (basically all of his major points). He even used the opening scene from 'Day After Tomorow' it shows ice caps melting in CGI & Gore put it in his film as a 'credible source.' All that and I think they still show it in our fucking schools.
mikedd56 3 months ago
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@mikedd56 You don't think there are inacuracies and lies in print!? Your arguments are flawed. Why are you even talking about some other movie? We're talking about this movie. You don't think its possible to convey information acurately through visual media?
gcahn2 3 months ago
I'm sorry you people can talk about how great it was and how the movie actually was harsh on everyone, bullshit. Just think about how people this high up esp. govt people operate behind closed doors in their war rooms. The unending hypocrisy(left & right), the deception, always worrying about perception. Now just think about how all this really went down & how the film portrayed it going down. How similar do you really think they were.
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mikedd56 While at the same time Americans, who were seeing their wages decline and stagnate for thirty years, were busy living like there's no tomorrow on CREDIT. Don't act like the govt is alone in their self-deception. Americans have been deluding themselves that they have wealth they don't actually have for decades. Think about how many credit cards and how big a mortgage your parents had when they were your age. Now think about how deep in debt the average American is now. There's the key.
priorzola 8 months ago
@priorzola
Well last 2yrs of Bush congress was under dem control & there is a youtube vid in 06 of congress showing concern for fannie mae & the rest of the gang (basically predicting exactly what happened) & then the response of a dozen or so democrats & barney frank in front all reassuring that there is nothing to worry about. But ur right it was a bunch of irresponsible morons who all bought a house they couldnt afford. But at the end of the day you cant really blame a lil kid for throwing...
mikedd56 8 months ago
what an underrated film. If you are thinking about watching this, just stop thinking and do it. Seen it twice already.
charms71 8 months ago
Lol. it makes me want to be a Big Bank :). it would be fun to have that much power...
Blizeful 8 months ago
paulson made a big mistake...dont forget his rol ....
sacamano71 8 months ago
Zeitgeist moving forward. YouTube it.
benandreas369 9 months ago
You guys are stupid. As big a waste as the bailouts were, nothing Bernanke or Paulson did will ever compare to the complete economic deregulation that Reagan and Clinton oversaw. It's THEIR fault. Nobody wants a second Depression, and nobody wants bailouts either. The solution? More and better regulation, HURP! Keep Capitalism in check next time!
BeastoFrancisco 9 months ago
Ok. But who watches the regulators? Brooksley Borne warned Greenspan that this was a mess as far back as 05, naming AIG and GoldmanSachs specifically. The power was there to make changes, buy people like Larry Summers would have none of it. Deregulation was only part of the problem. The banks have to take responsibility for their greed. Wells Fargo didnt committ all their resources to mort-def swaps-and they came out the other end better for it.
torr5962 8 months ago
@torr5962 Larry Summers was the President of Harvard in 2005 and busy questioning the aptitude of women. He wasn't part of the Bush administration that oversaw and IGNORED this looming disaster until it was too nearly too late.
priorzola 8 months ago
imbecils .. most of this was obvious b4 sh*t hit the fan .. all off you just were too ignorant to notice (-_-) ..
verylazboy 9 months ago
While I didn't like the way they portray Ben and Hank in this movie. There were couple things that didn't make sense to me. They mentioned that the bailout and capital injections were the two ways to "save the world." Congress passed it the second time, so why did they bother handing out the money to the banks? And if the world was going to collapse after few days if the banks didn't take the money to lend it out. Shouldn't the world economy collapse? Because the bank didn't lend the money out!
kjubee 9 months ago
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
—Thomas Jefferson
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RevolutionNewsDotUS2 9 months ago 18
@RevolutionNewsDotUS2 word brother
brettmfm 5 months ago
...they drank it with them, then willingly gave him the keys to car knowing he was drunk. Then when he got in trouble & totaled the car his parents only bought him a lawyer because they feared with a bad record he might not grow up to become a millionaire that they could leach off of.
They actually say w/o the bailouts it would have been far worse than the great depression. Yea I'm sure, they helped us so much before.
mikedd56 9 months ago
Propaganda, nothing more
This movie portrays all the big financial institutions as a 16yr old who took the family car w/o permission, got drunk, totaled it & now has all sorts of legal problems. The fed govt as the responsible parents who, disgusted with his behavior, just want to bail their son out of trouble b/c they love him & want whats best for him so w/o question they put up thousands for a lawyer
Back in reality - that kids parents not only provided him & his buddies with the alcohol...
mikedd56 9 months ago 2
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Oversimplification. There's no comparison between a "16 y/o who took the family car w/o permission" and the collection of power hungry men that the movie obviously portrays. Plus, the opening scene of the movie was entirely devoted towards portraying the gov't deregulation that led to this issue. That's not exactly portraying them as "responsible parents" as you suggest. The portrayal I took away was that many saw it coming but there were no rules in place to avoid disaster.
MacBubbles 9 months ago
@MacBubbles
Yea whatever, but the movies message was things would have been far worse w/o the bailouts, they say so in the behind the scene stuff 'worse than the great depression.' Gimme a break. Plus Barney Franks character in the movie was so concerned with the average american & was so surprised by this, please. There is a youtube vid of him defending Fannie Mae in like 2004 saying theres nothing to worry about. Its funny too b/c Giamatti's character gets all serious & says the real reason...
mikedd56 9 months ago
@mikedd56
I don't see how anyone saw the movie and concluded that anyone was portrayed in a "nice/heroic" way. The movie (and this BTS vid) repetitively suggests widespread greed and self-centeredness as motives for the problem. While explaining the source of the problem, the Paulson character himself proclaimed, "WE WERE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY!" Then, the movie even goes on to criticize Paulson for giving away the capital injections with no strings attached. Not exactly a heroic portrayal.
MacBubbles 9 months ago
@MacBubbles
Yea maybe so, but Paulson's character is totally surprised & appear so honest so are all the other govt characters like Barney Frank who seems so concerned with the average american, ha. The behind the scenes stuff all the actors are like yea w/o the bailouts the economy would of been worse than the great depression, in the end the govt rides in on its white horse & saves the day. Theres a utube video from 2004 or so of clips in congress with a string of republicans voicing their...
mikedd56 9 months ago
Everyone calm down. It's just a friggin movie, not the final say. Some of you seem to think the movie was too harsh on the banks. Some of you want the movie to vilify them even more. The movie clearly says that this was about greed, arrogance, panic, etc. My takeaway wasn't that anyone was being portrayed as a hero. My takeaway was that the key characters (like em or hate em) were being portrayed as trying to save face for everyone's sake. Heroism and saving face aren't exactly the same thing.
MacBubbles 9 months ago
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MacBubbles 9 months ago
Let 'em fail!
6happydude3 9 months ago
"If the American people ever allow the private banks (FED) to control the issue of currency. Th banks & corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their CHILDREN wake up HOMELESS on the continent their fathers conquered." - THOMAS JEFFERSON
007thday 9 months ago
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yetdynamic 9 months ago
@yetdynamic The movie doesn't portray them as heroes, nutfuck. Protagonists are different than heroes.
tremontirocks 8 months ago