Maybe Ereng could have won following Cruz, most likely not, kenyans didn't want risk anything. Kiprotich was ordered to sacrifice himself, made it perfectly, destroyed the brazilians.
@welshnick300365 utter bollox. The 800 was always going to be a tall order, but he gave it a valiant shot. He wins the silver medal in the 1500 a few days later, showing massive character. If anybody was a choker it was Cram who underchieved grossly at Olympic level. Elliot was a fighter and always accused of not being a 'thoroughbred' like Cram, Coe and Ovett. Well, British middle and long distance running could do with a few like him now!
@welshnick300365 I don't think he was a choker, he just wasn't good enough. He managed to utilise all or at least most of his potential, but he was never going to set the world alight like Ovett, Coe or Cram did. He was dependable, very good, but not great!
This race has to make ppl laugh. So Barbosa and Kiprotich talking the night before the race, these others are tough, we should take it to them hard... they do! And to themselves, so much for the plan!
Then, the battle for the silver between Cruz, Elliott and Aouita down the homestretch is classic...look at their faces. Cram's calf injury in the Rieti 1k a couple weeks before this was very unlucky because he was closing in on the WR (1:46.09 @ the 800 in that kilo attempt before his DNF).
Note that whomever was in last place at the 200m in all races from 800m to 5000m in Soeul, won the race. Kenyans are talented yes, but they outsmarted the rest of the world. Watch Ereng in this race early and watch the stupid Brazilians.
Ereng (and Rono for that matter) got lucky at this Olympics. Both Elliott and Cram were injured. Both guys were capable of winning both races (8 &15).
Elliott was never good enough to win this, even at his absolute best. Cram would need to be in his 85 or 86 form to medal here, let alone win a gold. You have to remember it wasn't a one off circuit run but the 3rd (or maybe 4th, I can't remember!) race in that many days. The 1500m was a different matter. Cram & Elliott could have won that at their best. It wasn't so much injury that caused them not to win the 15, but rather the fact they tried doubling up; not realising quite how hard it was.
@Daz555Daz I disagree. Cram got injured in Rieti c.4 weeks before Seoul & was still affected by it a week before. Those weeks in between had no races on the circuit, they were for fine tuning/acclimatizing. Cram should have given himself time to recover fully and focus on the 1500, rather than be greedy & attempt to double up. He didn't get beyond the rounds of the 800! You can't expect to double & win 2 medals when not 100%. The UK had the WR holder & Euro Champ sitting at home doing nothing!
@deano27671 You make a fair point there fair enough. My feeling though is that Cram probably felt he was running himself back into shape - and his final performance in the 1500 was his best so maybe he was right. Who knows? Given the rules though could the selectors have dropped Cram from the 800 at such late notice? I'll be honest and say I don't know. One thing I'm sure of though - if the games were 5 weeks earlier Cram would have walked the 1500 and probably won a medal in the 800 as well.
@Daz555Daz I respect your opinion & you may be right about running into shape. My take on it is that Cram got injured 4 weeks before the Olympics & missed a couple of weeks training. He had run enough races during the season & the issue was really to catch up with 2 weeks missed training. He desperately wanted to win the 1500 & that should have been his focus. To use the 800 for sharpening knowing that he didn't have a chance of winning was pretty selfish.
Especially while at the same time knowing Coe was at home having beaten Ereng (the 800 Champ in Seoul) twice that season and having run faster than he did in 86 when he was world ranked 1 and beat Cram at the Europeans. If the games had been 5 weeks earlier Cram may well have won the 1500m, but then again, the rest of the world's top middle distance guys wouldn't have been at a peak 5 weeks before the Olympics! Why would they want to be? It's all about timing.
Had Cram not got injured in Rieti, he should have won the 1500 comfortably against those that were there. However, this is hypothetical. Had Coe, Aouita & Bile all arrived in Seoul injury and illness free also then it would have been much more difficult to even medal.
I don't think Cram would have medalled in the 800m due to the intensity of the rounds, and had he got close or won perhaps a bronze in the 800, I think it would have weakened his chance in the 1500. I still think had he pulled out of the 800 and focussed on the 15, he'd have found enough strength to edge past Elliott, Herold & Rono in the straight.
Haha! I guess both the commentators and the guy in the studio didnt notice Ereng pass Kiprotich at the last curve n challenge for the lead! Got them pretty mixed up and even wrote Kiprotich after the finish (for those that can read Katakana...). But this was a great race, and keep it up Ereng, still involved in track!
yeah 'middle-distance' it's a two lap sprint....it was called middle distance when we were too small and found two laps like a cross country track lol.
I just ran a super crappy 2:29.39 800 meter run on that very track today. I found an open gate to the olympic stadium here in Seoul, figured Id push for 800... put a time on it.... I probably would have gotten 9th in the race..... better yet... probably would not have made the finals! hahaha
Back in the 1988 seoul games, the Kenyans dominated the long-distance track events winning medals from 800m-10,000m, the Kenyans were benfitted by the Ethiopian boycott.
However the Ethiopians have not been known to win a medal of any kind in the 800m, 1500m and the 3000m steeplechase let alone putting a runner in the final of those races! Kenyans have won medals from 400m - marathon in it's short Olympics!
well he didn't wanna run the 5000m because he had already one a gold on that distance and also because of his injury at the time so he decided to double 800/1500 but the problem after 800m he had aggravated his injury and withdrew from the 1500m
amongst all the praise heaped on Said Aouita, there seems to be a lack of respect for the clinic that Paul Ereng puts on in this race. For a relatively inexperienced 800m runner at this point of his career, the patience and poise he shows in letting the field be nearly 10 meters ahead of him at the bell is amazing. He also was very patient with 110 meters to go, choosing to hold the inside, and that won him the race. How to win a fast, tactical race at it's purest.
Great race. Ereng was sublime. Cruz went out on his shield, refusing to give up his title without a great fight. Aouita almost pulled off the impossible and cemented his case for being the greatest all-round modern middle distance runner. And Peter Elliott, who is so under-rated, fought with his usual guts. Anyone got his Commonwealth 1500 win or 1.42 800 lying around?
I agree greatest 800m I've ever seen Aouita's time was 144.10 injured. He was the complete package from 800 to 10,000 no one else could do it like him.
u have right and also never the favourit win it..Aouita in 1988 and last olympics was wilson kipketer the favrourit but the winner was as nowah ngeny like a thief
that aouita was able to win the bislett games 10000m and then get bored with distance and return to speed and place 3rd in the 88 olympic 800m is nothing less than amazing. Anyone knowing anything about running has to be in awe.
some m...n wrote about unselfish team work.
Maybe Ereng could have won following Cruz, most likely not, kenyans didn't want risk anything. Kiprotich was ordered to sacrifice himself, made it perfectly, destroyed the brazilians.
talk about fair play :DDD
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robespierre62 4 months ago
No gold for Aoutia!!! Denied!!!
800 is for the tall man. Go back to 5k Aouita.
kozmon0t 8 months ago
KENYA forever.
newromantic888 8 months ago
Brilliant run for Ereng. Look his position after first 300 m.
Where are all the World-Record-Breaking Britons nowadays ?
Haven't seen them for years...
papmjny 9 months ago
Elliot was always a choker on the big occasion.
welshnick300365 11 months ago
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@welshnick300365 utter bollox. The 800 was always going to be a tall order, but he gave it a valiant shot. He wins the silver medal in the 1500 a few days later, showing massive character. If anybody was a choker it was Cram who underchieved grossly at Olympic level. Elliot was a fighter and always accused of not being a 'thoroughbred' like Cram, Coe and Ovett. Well, British middle and long distance running could do with a few like him now!
jegspillerpiano 9 months ago
@welshnick300365 I don't think he was a choker, he just wasn't good enough. He managed to utilise all or at least most of his potential, but he was never going to set the world alight like Ovett, Coe or Cram did. He was dependable, very good, but not great!
deano27671 8 months ago
the speaker was more tired than the athletes at the end of the race :-)
sabsaka 1 year ago
This race has to make ppl laugh. So Barbosa and Kiprotich talking the night before the race, these others are tough, we should take it to them hard... they do! And to themselves, so much for the plan!
Then, the battle for the silver between Cruz, Elliott and Aouita down the homestretch is classic...look at their faces. Cram's calf injury in the Rieti 1k a couple weeks before this was very unlucky because he was closing in on the WR (1:46.09 @ the 800 in that kilo attempt before his DNF).
KingLiopleurodon 1 year ago
Note that whomever was in last place at the 200m in all races from 800m to 5000m in Soeul, won the race. Kenyans are talented yes, but they outsmarted the rest of the world. Watch Ereng in this race early and watch the stupid Brazilians.
bonstad 1 year ago
1:04 is so funny!!! I mean, is he a child?!?!?
bijection765 2 years ago
Ereng (and Rono for that matter) got lucky at this Olympics. Both Elliott and Cram were injured. Both guys were capable of winning both races (8 &15).
bootymanager 2 years ago
Elliott was never good enough to win this, even at his absolute best. Cram would need to be in his 85 or 86 form to medal here, let alone win a gold. You have to remember it wasn't a one off circuit run but the 3rd (or maybe 4th, I can't remember!) race in that many days. The 1500m was a different matter. Cram & Elliott could have won that at their best. It wasn't so much injury that caused them not to win the 15, but rather the fact they tried doubling up; not realising quite how hard it was.
deano27671 1 year ago
@deano27671 To be fair Cram needed to double up because he needed the race time.
Daz555Daz 1 year ago
@Daz555Daz I disagree. Cram got injured in Rieti c.4 weeks before Seoul & was still affected by it a week before. Those weeks in between had no races on the circuit, they were for fine tuning/acclimatizing. Cram should have given himself time to recover fully and focus on the 1500, rather than be greedy & attempt to double up. He didn't get beyond the rounds of the 800! You can't expect to double & win 2 medals when not 100%. The UK had the WR holder & Euro Champ sitting at home doing nothing!
deano27671 1 year ago
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Daz555Daz 1 year ago
@deano27671 You make a fair point there fair enough. My feeling though is that Cram probably felt he was running himself back into shape - and his final performance in the 1500 was his best so maybe he was right. Who knows? Given the rules though could the selectors have dropped Cram from the 800 at such late notice? I'll be honest and say I don't know. One thing I'm sure of though - if the games were 5 weeks earlier Cram would have walked the 1500 and probably won a medal in the 800 as well.
Daz555Daz 1 year ago
@Daz555Daz I respect your opinion & you may be right about running into shape. My take on it is that Cram got injured 4 weeks before the Olympics & missed a couple of weeks training. He had run enough races during the season & the issue was really to catch up with 2 weeks missed training. He desperately wanted to win the 1500 & that should have been his focus. To use the 800 for sharpening knowing that he didn't have a chance of winning was pretty selfish.
deano27671 1 year ago
Especially while at the same time knowing Coe was at home having beaten Ereng (the 800 Champ in Seoul) twice that season and having run faster than he did in 86 when he was world ranked 1 and beat Cram at the Europeans. If the games had been 5 weeks earlier Cram may well have won the 1500m, but then again, the rest of the world's top middle distance guys wouldn't have been at a peak 5 weeks before the Olympics! Why would they want to be? It's all about timing.
deano27671 1 year ago
Had Cram not got injured in Rieti, he should have won the 1500 comfortably against those that were there. However, this is hypothetical. Had Coe, Aouita & Bile all arrived in Seoul injury and illness free also then it would have been much more difficult to even medal.
deano27671 1 year ago
I don't think Cram would have medalled in the 800m due to the intensity of the rounds, and had he got close or won perhaps a bronze in the 800, I think it would have weakened his chance in the 1500. I still think had he pulled out of the 800 and focussed on the 15, he'd have found enough strength to edge past Elliott, Herold & Rono in the straight.
deano27671 1 year ago
Paul Ereng was such a talent. He started training for the 800 only 6 months(!) before this gold medal.
aypimptastic 2 years ago
Why Aouita chose to run the 800 remains a mystery. It wasnt his event, as shown when Ereng hammers him for finishing speed.
5overlord 2 years ago
aouita wa the only athlete who compete and win a medal in 800, 1500, 5000. it never happens untill now
zabalaaynik 2 years ago
other than him and ovett are there many athletes who have given it a crack?
mrcatohead 2 years ago
Love the commentators!
shanxytube 2 years ago
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Japanese commentators.
mytime81 2 years ago
English please!
ThectWonderer 2 years ago
Japanese commentators.
mytime81 2 years ago
This race really tested the runners' endurance, because the first lap was run
in less than 50 seconds. Ereng apparently
divided up his strength the best. Cruz still
ran well and Aouita fought hard to finish
third. Elliott also was tenacious but this
time he wasn't lucky or strong enough to get a medal (this changed in the 1,500-
metre final). Gray still didn't win a medal.
Barbosa exhausted himself and Kiprotich totally tied up. Sabia wasn't a factor anymore.
Zndwls 2 years ago
fucking hell, they're monkeys!
MrM0j0Risin666 2 years ago
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Which monkeys are you talking about???
mytime81 2 years ago
Dunno mate, I must have been very drunk at the time.
MrM0j0Risin666 2 years ago
monkey is definitely your mothers stinky ass that you smell every morning you wake up.
trishaashraf 2 years ago
Wooohhh! F-A-G-G-O-T!!
MrM0j0Risin666 2 years ago
Haha! I guess both the commentators and the guy in the studio didnt notice Ereng pass Kiprotich at the last curve n challenge for the lead! Got them pretty mixed up and even wrote Kiprotich after the finish (for those that can read Katakana...). But this was a great race, and keep it up Ereng, still involved in track!
larryboy1995 2 years ago
holy shit talk faster you sound like a mouse nibbling on cheese.
musicandoutdoors 2 years ago
What a great race this was, the lineup was like a who's who of track, and to think the 800 was once called a mid-distance race, 49.54 @ the 400, :)
mstrunn 2 years ago
yeah 'middle-distance' it's a two lap sprint....it was called middle distance when we were too small and found two laps like a cross country track lol.
wayzotoichi 2 years ago
Paul Ereng precursor del gran Wilson Kipketer. !Que correr tan elegante..!! Aouita, un mediofondista completo..!
andres1956 2 years ago
Aouita was due to run the 1500 but he had to drop out after this race - if you notice he had a thigh strapping on
martynhanson 2 years ago
vive aouita vive le maroc
pinkfloydmaroc 3 years ago
Sorry for the flood, was supposed to be repling to Oldjoe...
mistergumby 3 years ago
The winner of this race, Paul Ereng lives in El Paso, Texas now and is a coach at UTEP.
asadraza5367 3 years ago
that's the most annoying call of a race i have ever heard.
almightywitey 3 years ago
The nerve of those Koreans to announce a race held in Seoul, Korea in Korean!
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Strangely, the commentary is Japanese!
bavster99 3 years ago
You can tell?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Yes, quite easily
mistergumby 3 years ago
Yes, quite easily
mistergumby 3 years ago
mis respetos yo por ahora estoy pegando 1.58.23 pero ya ahorita
acguti11 3 years ago
I just ran a super crappy 2:29.39 800 meter run on that very track today. I found an open gate to the olympic stadium here in Seoul, figured Id push for 800... put a time on it.... I probably would have gotten 9th in the race..... better yet... probably would not have made the finals! hahaha
numberjunky 3 years ago
classic kenyan team running, erang obviously
knew kiprotich was going to force the pace
as well as make things tough on cruz..
tempting him to run inside at 400, then making
him go three wide on back stretch, and even
jostling him slightly at 650 after taking the
sting out of him...totally brilliant, and unselfish team work that no other country
has mastered
plainwhitejersey 3 years ago
Back in the 1988 seoul games, the Kenyans dominated the long-distance track events winning medals from 800m-10,000m, the Kenyans were benfitted by the Ethiopian boycott.
juan833blue 3 years ago
However the Ethiopians have not been known to win a medal of any kind in the 800m, 1500m and the 3000m steeplechase let alone putting a runner in the final of those races! Kenyans have won medals from 400m - marathon in it's short Olympics!
akuraoo 3 years ago
Very true!!!
Rotichjoe 2 years ago
They benefitted from Aouita's decision to run the 800 instead of the 1500 or 5k!
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I never understand why Aouita ran 800m instead of 1500m or 5000m. He lose a sure gold
poo72 3 years ago
Perhaps he wanna win a golden medal in middle distance, he's already won a one in 5000meters in Los Angeles 1984.
sweatershiho 3 years ago
well he didn't wanna run the 5000m because he had already one a gold on that distance and also because of his injury at the time so he decided to double 800/1500 but the problem after 800m he had aggravated his injury and withdrew from the 1500m
sslider08 3 years ago
Poor Peter Elliott - I`m sure he got a bump down the home straight.
SimonDolan 3 years ago
amongst all the praise heaped on Said Aouita, there seems to be a lack of respect for the clinic that Paul Ereng puts on in this race. For a relatively inexperienced 800m runner at this point of his career, the patience and poise he shows in letting the field be nearly 10 meters ahead of him at the bell is amazing. He also was very patient with 110 meters to go, choosing to hold the inside, and that won him the race. How to win a fast, tactical race at it's purest.
smooveXXX 4 years ago
I agree this was Ereng's day.
He beat Cruz, Elliott, Aouita, Barbosa, Gray. An all star cast!
rc2869 3 years ago
A valiant attempt by Joaquin Cruz to defend his Olympic title! A great champion. I wanted him to win!
HugoBossSuperModel 4 years ago
At least he got the silver, it's tough to win back-to-back 800m gold medals in the Olympics anyway, way to go Joaquim Cruz!!
juan833blue 3 years ago
bravo said t'es parmi les grands
pinkfloydmaroc 4 years ago
said es el mejor de todos los tiempos
jesusromero2008 4 years ago
Great race. Ereng was sublime. Cruz went out on his shield, refusing to give up his title without a great fight. Aouita almost pulled off the impossible and cemented his case for being the greatest all-round modern middle distance runner. And Peter Elliott, who is so under-rated, fought with his usual guts. Anyone got his Commonwealth 1500 win or 1.42 800 lying around?
basilcruncher 4 years ago
Si aouita avait perdu cette course c qu'il s'est blessé gravement à la cuisse sinon il était le favori et en était capable de remporter l'or.
il avait battu tout le monde avant séoul notamment cruz à colonne.
roidutartan 4 years ago
I agree greatest 800m I've ever seen Aouita's time was 144.10 injured. He was the complete package from 800 to 10,000 no one else could do it like him.
jadreemah 4 years ago 2
seoul restera un bon souvenir malgres la decetion de aouita, mais il restera toujours un monument de l'athletisme mondial.
stouf62 4 years ago
aouita is another moroccan legend
sslider08 4 years ago
I can't even run one sub 50 400
Skibum657 4 years ago
800m never fails to provide an exciting Olympic race!
garicmidknight 4 years ago
u have right and also never the favourit win it..Aouita in 1988 and last olympics was wilson kipketer the favrourit but the winner was as nowah ngeny like a thief
legendair 4 years ago
Do you have 1500m from 1988 Olympic games
rc2869 4 years ago
that aouita was able to win the bislett games 10000m and then get bored with distance and return to speed and place 3rd in the 88 olympic 800m is nothing less than amazing. Anyone knowing anything about running has to be in awe.
100156306 4 years ago
Ereng was at the rear for the entire first lap!
HeshimaJameni 4 years ago
so what?
teddydan85 4 years ago
With Barbosa and Johnny Gray in the same race , you will always get a very fast first lap. Props to Paul Ereng for staying cool.
nurvrax 4 years ago
What a race - Kiprotich and Barbosa went mad on the first lap!
kerrigan2 4 years ago
Wonderful - the greatest 800m field ever assembled in a Championship - Ereng hijacked the expected duel between Aouita and Cruz with perfect run.
Disappointed when Peter Elliot came so close to getting a medal and missing out. He won silver in 1500m
rc2869 4 years ago