Roland LaStarza had to have surgery to remove blood clots Rocky beat into his arms in their fight. Tests showed his uppercut had the force of a battering ram. Rocky had the power like few others. Tyson was a beast, no doubt about it. But even he looked up to Marciano for his power. I'd give a very close fight to Marciano. I say fight because it'd be haymaker after haymaker between these knockout artists. Could still go to Tyson, but 49-0 is 49-0 no matter what time period.
marciano was a machine, tyson is still a great fighter but he wouldnt have the chin or speed to compete at marciano's level i mean look what the guy did to ali! tyson would get merk'd! no question.
@TheDomy24 yeh hes talking about the computer simulated "superfirght". it wasnt an actual match but was very realistic and most likely wouldve happened that way if it were real
@danosdrake actually no superfight was ali and marciano and went to cinemas in europe and america in europe marciano won i think on points and in america ali won by ko and no marciano wouldnt stand a chance against iron mike he wouldnt last for 2 rounds
@MegaZak1991 are you retarded? are you seriously fucking using the bullshit Ali fight? fucking dumbass..Tyson was waaaay faster than Marciano what the fuck are you talking about "Marcianos level"? that bitch had no skill he couldve easily gotten outboxed. he retired when he was thirty so he avoided great young legends like floyd patterson that motherfucker wouldve lost against high caliber fighters like Tyson.
@XxAshMorningstarxX Archie Moore was one of the best fighters of his day. He said fighting Marciano was both "like fighting a bull with gloves" and like getting hit by a propeller blade. Marciano's punches were constant. Marciano ran 15 miles every day in the hills of New York when he trained and he trained for months.
Tyson would never last against him. Marciano had an excellent chin too. Marciano was born to fight and trained like a maniac.
@inhibited44 and retired when he was 30. Larry Holmes was also the shit in his day and Tysonwas the only one to have ever knocked him the fuck out. Marciano wouldve never been able to take constant combos from Tyson just the force of the punches would keep him off balance. He knockled down twice in the first round by guys who 1. didnt weigh as much as Tyson and 2. didnt hit as hard or fast or accuratly as Tyson. He would beat him like he beat Ruddock probably a TKO.
i hate those douches who say marciano would win , damn box developed and in tyson's days where some extraclass boxers , but tyson was superior to them , in his prime just unstoppoble
@jabertcul actually, assuming his mind is right and did not take too much punishment in the ring, a boxer's best years are the late 20's and early 30's. At that age the best fighters have the right combination of ring savvy as they are seasoned, with youthful vigor. Of course, this operates under the assumption a fighter has kept up with their training, and their mind is right.
rocky could take any punch, he could take any punch in round 1 and also in round 15 since he never got tired because of his intense training, he had a superb chin and as we all know tyson had no heart and broke down everytime an opponent actually fought with him.
@OropherThranduil " don't read comments that are written only big, because only people with an iq below 70 do that.
i guess mikes fanbase is on the same level as he is."
You're awfully generous with your credit I see 8^) Crediting them with an IQ of 70 and they might feel ready to amputate their fingers. They won't need them to count anymore.
So unbeatable that when he was 24 he was KTFO by a journeyman. Oh here come the excuses from glue sniffing shitferbrained nutlicking Tysson apologists who have never seen one boxing match outside of Tyson's youtube clips vs tomato cans. "Tyson was 150lbs overweight, he was fucking 50 girls a night, had canine AIDS, never slept in 10 months and was being drugged on a regular basis by Robin Givens!"
Rocky proved he was best in his time which had 30 good fighters to any of today, poor old mike never had the same quality of opposition and even then was destroyed by Douglas ?????? then whipped by Holyfield and Lewis etc....this makes him around $th in his time so this game is neither here nor there so get over it.
After watching this video (obviously a game or something) I've never (in real life seen Tyson throw that few punches when fighting on the inside with someone. Tyson was not a top 10 fighter, but he sure as hell had the best if not the best hand speed/quickness/power of anyone in professional boxing history. Marciano would have taken serious punishment fighting him like that. Real or fake.
A prime Tyson would beat a prime Marciano knockout, I bet. No disrespect, Marciano was really good, but Tyson with Cus D'Amato at his side from the age of 20-23 would be unbeatable, if he was in top shape.
If you look at Marciano's career, he only ever fought in his prime, from the age of 26-31 and the people he beat, who were actually good, were all older than him: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were all older than Marciano.
Marciano mainly fought old people, like Joe Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore. Tyson would fight people far bigger than him, like Mitch Green, and slam them. Marciano couldn't beat Tyson.
If Tyson had Cus D'Amato with him, no one could beat him. He would watch videos of all the great heavyweights and style himself based on them. A fighter like that would be unstoppable. Later on, he screwed up, but when Cus was with him, he was invincible.
@truebeliever786 you need to go at box rec dude. Charles did not begin to decline as a fighter until the mid 1950's, actually I think it was late 50's, and fuck man he wasn't that much older. Also, throughout any Boxer's career, the first half of the fighters they get tend to be all bums. Also, LaStarza, a good fighter who was younger than him? Man Marciano destroyed that guy; he literally broke his arms.
LaStarza wasn't that good. Besides, he was only 24. Marciano was 30. Both were equidistant from their primes (about 27). He wasn't that good. Marciano fought all his fighters in his Prime and he had the advantage of age. Charles was only a little older, but he was still older and went the whole 15 rounds with him. Walcott knocked Marciano down and so did Archie Moore and they were way older. Marciano was indeed one of the all-time greats, but not as great as Tyson with Cus D'Amato, age 20-23.
Rocky's the greatest Tyson wouldn't have lasted that long. And the only Ali would have had a chance would be if his corner man drugged him like he did Foreman. And for you idiots talking Liston,he was the biggest fraud that ever lived. He was mob owned when he won his title and he was mob owned when he took a dive on a phantom punch from that dumbass cowardly drat dodger Ali. Oh and here's a fun fact the first time Ali was tested for the draft he was found to be a moron and too dumb to fight
@loedlj lol! ali was not a bum mate if thats what your saying! you need to learn a little more about boxing history, but th only way marciano would beat tyson is if they fought at 220lb , marciano fought at 187lbs in his prime, theres noway he would beat a 220lb pime tyson at that weight ....no way! but even if marciano moved up weight we wouldnt even know if he could still have his power at that weight , but by all means bring tyson down to 187lb and we have a fight!!!
@jrgniuwer if Muhamad Ali was too much of a moron to fight in the army then why was he thrown in prison for draft evasion? Here is a fun fact about Muhamad Ali; I think I read somewhere that he has an I.Q. ranging from 130 to 150, a "moron" he is not. Plus, before his alzheimers he had a photographic memory, its part of what gave him an edge in boxing; he memorized rival's patterns and then he out timed them.
@stardingo747 lol you cant compare a prime mike tyson against the joke that was jess willard lol...anyway jack dempsey used a piece of iron in his glove in that fight!
@jrgniuwer you do realize that Dempsey was a bare knuckle fighter right? Ever watch the movie "Snatch" by chance? Namely the fight between Brad Pitt's character and a professional modern boxer? What the narrator said was true; bare knuckle boxing hardens the bones both of the face, and the hands. Dempsey's fists cut to the bone because they were hardened by bare knuckle fighting.
@jrgniuwer true you can't, but I am pointing out that if there is a disparity in timing and execution size doesn't matter, same with motivation. Hell though, the reason Marciano went undefeated is because no one thought he was good. Believing Tyson could beat him easily, is the very thing that would get him dropped dude.
@jrgniuwer incidentally, Dempsey was not that good a bare knuckle boxer; although he never lost saloon fights, against actual, knowledgeable bare knuckle boxers he frequently got his ass kicked. You just can't compare bare knuckle fighters to modern boxers dude; the bones of their fists, and their faces are calcified, and more resistant to shock. They could withstand body blows better too.
@stardingo747 mate are you retarded? when the hell did i say ali was a moron????? i idolise ali! your getting me mixed up with another looser and i never said anything about dempsey i said jess willard was a joke and he was!
@stardingo747 and the reason marciano was undefeated is not because people thought he wasnt that good lol it was because he had huge heart and guts he refused to loose he would rather die than loose a fight, it had nothing to do with what you said mate
lol it showed he must have fought nobodies to rise up to numba one contender tht slowly weras tyson went straight for the big guns and the youngest eva champ, ali also rise thru the ranks quick and used his trash talking to get a heavyweight shot wen he wasnt even the number one contender.
este es un juego de mierda, yo lo tengo y es mas malo que el sida... es malisimo los golpes y como lo tenes que manejar... la verdad es un juego que no atrae, y despues de jugar una peleita te das cuenta que es una bosta
mike was too fast for rocky and hit just as hard if not harder if it was toe to toe it would be questionable but tyson in his prime punched off angles
Joe Louis is the greatest of all time, right after him there's Rocky. Where i see Ali? Somewhere behind me.
I've beaten Ali, and if i could do that, then Louis and Marciano could have accomplished it without further ado.
i don't think Tyson could have beaten either Ali nor Frazier, and since i kinda trust the mans word, he knows a bit about boxing i guess, yeah, my two cents.
Dude any opinion Frazier has on Muhammad ALi has to be taken with a grain of salt. To this day he is bitter towards Muhammad and his complements of him have been VERY few and far between.
As far as Marciano. He's was great. But his RECORD is overrated (not so much him). Adjusted for difficluty/quality of opposition etc...I think Ali has the best record in boxing. The best in his era were the best ever and he beat them all..either in the first fight or in rematches.
the master and originator of trash talk, once said that he thinks Marciano would have been the hardest opponent for him to fight and that the fight could go out either way
But it also depends on wether pre or post box stop ali, because before he was floating like a butterfly, but afterwards more or less changed his dancing to let his opponent wear himself out trying to box him to a KO.
gd point bt u must understand ali onli trash talked about boxers he was going to face soon, nt retired ones, ali also once sed he thought one mike tyson punch wud put him too sleep which is ridiculous. also they did not have much video evidence of rocky's fights nor assessed his competition so ali was talking mainly on rumour tht marciano was sum sort of supa fighter, nowadays boxing experts will tell u he is no wer near ali, ali vs louis wud be a closa match.
well, Joe Louis actually was back in pretty good form when Rocky fought him, he wasn't an old man then like many try to portray it, but i guess some of Rocky's fights look so easy to win for him is because no matter the opponent Rocky always trained like a maniac.
tht is ridiculous afta the fight rocky cried, for beating an old man he onli fought louis, becuz louis needed the money and died a poor man, whilst rocky got out the game quik, it is very silly to say louis was in preety good form he was the same age as when ali was battered into submission by larry holmes, ask any expert hu wud win out of prime louis and prime marciano they will say louis, thts y louis was rated numba 1 puncher of all time and rocky was ranked 14th
rocky never ducked anyone it wasnt his fault he never faced a good opponent in his career, the onli really good guys he fought was ezzard charles hu split his nose age 33, jersey joe walcott dropped him age 38, archie moore dropped him age 42 and louis age 38. even archie hu loved rocky sed one he didnt face any pirme decent fighters and 2 a prime ezzard charles would have knocked him owt, rocky was sure smart for retiring before liston finished him tho.
Regarding the decline in boxing skill though the lower weight divisions are more physically fit than ever, and more well conditioned than ever, but their form sucks compared to the old timers. Roy Jones Jr. only got away with what he did, because, what dudes have good aim or counter skills anymore? Frankly I think the likes of Robinson or Lamotta would rip him apart.
@J0ker4u Instead of making some dumb comment why don't you explain your position and tell me what you disagree with me on and why, I am an avid boxing fan and an amateur boxer so I do have a good idea what Im talking about.
Im gonna have to take Tyson, Marciano was maybe 3o pounds lighter then Tyson, i think that would be to much to make up for. Im taking Tyson by TKO in round 8.
this is retarded just like any other sport you can see that athletes have become better as the decades pass one example that can be measured is that of sprinters. no matter how fast they were in the 50s those guys can't compete with the times there posting now. present boxers are more conditioned due to better diets and training tech. sure marciano controlled his era but even adamek would've destroyed marciano let alone one the klitscko brothers !!
@chapine7 boxing isn't like other sports dude, first of all, second, the talent pool makes a huge difference and, if anything, modern sports conditioning can in fact LOWER boxing performance. With boxing you pretty much need to stick to cals and muscle integration work, and in Marciano's time, just in the U.S. alone the pool of boxers easily reached close to 50 million, as opposed to only, MAYBE, 10 million today.
@chapine7 and how many sprinters are there now as opposed to the 50's? Boxing was massive back in those times, in fact, in the 50's if you did not even know rudimentary boxing you weren't even considered a man. Regarding the second half of your comment I agree; with other sports conditioning and diet ARE better AND, the talent pool is bigger. Look at basketball now compared to the 90's; B-ball is much bigger now, and the pro game is tougher.
@chapine7 look at basketball now compared to basketball in the 90's; the world at large has become overwhelmingly urban, and its part of the reason for basketball's growing global popularity. The talent pool is much bigger, and there are even questions as to how long Jordan will remain "the greatest ever." Given basketball's talent pool's growth, its only a matter of time before someone supplants him, a basketball player who is a sniper like Bird, and a flyer like Jordan.
@chapine7 regarding the basketball thing, as with other sports, you're only good relative to the number of people you compete against. If there are only 200 boxers on this entire planet, and you're the champion that doesn't mean much does it?
Agree that athletes are bigger, stronger and more skilled these days, but the heavyweight division right now has never been weaker. If we were talking the 80's/90's, I'd agree with you. Boxers trained hard as hell then. Now they take shortcuts (roids), and that may work in football & baseball, but not boxing. When your muscles get bulkier you can't punch as hard or as fast. You can't cheat in boxing, you have to put in the work. Guys don't today, and it shows.
@JunmaiShu truly, most people don't think a welter Ray Robinson would stand a chance against Floyd Mayweather; what you said is precisely the point another boxing fan made. Regarding the whole conditioning, how ripped and fit guys are, that modern boxers are better in that area is true until you get to the heavies; guys who would be in shape at 210 (at 5 or 6% fat), step into the ring weighing in at 270.
My comments apply only to the heavyweight division. The quality is certainly still there in the lower weight classes. Ray Robinson?... no. But by the Sugar Ray Leonard era, absolutely. Those guys could compete with anybody today.
And honestly I think the overall skill of bball has declined since the Jordan era, not improved. Some kid may average more ppg than him some day, but will they play defense like him too, or make EVERY big shot at every key moment year after year? I doubt it.
@JunmaiShu basketball has become more global lately, as the entire world becomes more increasingly urbanized. The U.S. dream team was nowhere near as dominant as it was when Jordan, Bird, and Johnson played. The players are probably more skilled overall, and the intensity has likely gone up a couple of notches, its only issue is that it hasn't produced big stars. Ever since white people knocked on blacks for fundamentals, the players got their asses in gear, and are good overall now.
As for the people dogging on black players for lacking "fundamentals". One word to describe them... racist. But I really think there is a lack of fundamentals these days, regardless of race. Or maybe it's heart/toughness? They don't play as hard perhaps because they get so rich so quick that they "have plans after basketball", and don't want to blow out a knee. Whatever the case, I think the quality of bball has declined since the 90's.
@JunmaiShu the 90's was just dunks, dunks and more dunks, where basketball was concerned, while the 80's was a fundamentals game, now, you see fundamentals AND dunks, but no big stars. Sure a few dudes are really good, but none of them have reached the legend's levels. Regarding the heavyweight division, its best era was during Joe Louis' reign.
Actually, said fundamentals are exactly what I see as lacking these days. Now kids just want to "get theirs"... meaning their 15 minutes of fame on ESPN and their shoe deals. Helping their team win games comes secondary (if at all) to that. They don't pass, play defense or shoot the perimeter shot as well. And I also don't think these kids are any more athletically gifted than they were in the 80's/90's. The sport was bigger then than it is now, in fact, mostly because of MJ.
@OropherThranduil There you go, that answers the question, if a fighter fighting 30 fights a year fought today's 3 fight a year boxer, would be killed in first 3 rounds!
sorry, but you should really read about the inhuman training marciano got trough everyday during his 6 year reign as champ, his stamina far exceeded that of todays boxers, his chin could take anything, he jogged 7 miles a day, 10 weeks before a fight, 15 the week before the fight.
@OropherThranduil Well all these boxers go thorugh similar training, some boxers are physically better that they can get away with slightly lesser training. He might be the greatest of all but I think its a specualation.
Just like we can never say for sure who would have won between Ali and Tyson, we can't say for sure who would of won out of Ali and Marciano!
but sorry, nobody trained as hard as him, really, search for it on google, there are 2 decent articles on it, the man gave up everything before a big fight, not having contact to even his family in the last weeks before a fight.
there are reasons why he was never hurt in a fight.
@OropherThrandu Sorry but im no agreed with you, and Marciano is mi hero believe me. Tyson fights a diferebt kind of boxing, he moves his head and hit without being hited on an awsome speed, and his punching power was incredible for his size. Marciano opens his guard so many times and Tyson would punish him so bad that even with his courage and his superior phisical condition canot take those vicious uppercuts. Marciano would need to learn modern boxing to defeat him, even when he is stronger
if you can stand 13 rounds against heavy weight champion Jersey Joe Walcott and then KAYO the fuck out of him with suzy q he surely could have stand against at the most 3 rounds of tyson, because after those, if he still stood (what he would) tyson would break like a baby.
no. tyson would've destroyed marciano. im no tyson fan either. marciano never fought anyone as good as tyson. guys like louis, walcott and moore were ancient when they fought rocky and he struggled with them, more so walcott n moore. imagine any of those guys fightin rocky in their primes....its a one sided fight in their favors
@jmgnyg louis, walcott, moore ar all hall of famers, any top rank heavyweight today would get beat off them, not to mention walcott hit a late prime like lennox lewis & when marciano beat another hall of famer in ezzard charles there was only a 2 year difference seperating them, marciano was 30 charles 32, go back in your hole boy, you have a lot to learn about the sport. ( what people seem to forget is the self proclaimed great one ali also beat on an even older archie moore to pad his record )
@jmgnyg You are so full of shit, marciano in no shape or form struggled with joe louis, louis kept him away for about 5 rounds with his jab & irritated him, thats all, & walcott was an exellent fighter & was supremely condioned for his age in the first title fight he would have given any fighter trouble in that fight fool.
im so full of shit? ive forgotten more boxing than you'll ever know son. plain and simple......marciano is the most overrated heavyweight of all time and deep down inside you know it 2
@OropherThranduil fuck no if he got floored by old men in the first round who didnt hit nearly as hard or fast or accurately as Mike Tyson i cant see his mighty chin that could take anything tking Tyson's continous punches. Besides the dude weighed 180 something pounds Tyson was 218 lbs Marciano has power but so does Tyson they both can take punches but Marciano has less skill and a prime Tyson can sure as hell go the distance because yes he hadthe heart and skills for it.
@attractivue "There you go, that answers the question, if a fighter fighting 30 fights a year fought today's 3 fight a year boxer, would be killed in first 3 rounds!"
lol that's idiotic reasoning...
And I don't think they fought thirty fights a year since he had the belt for 2 years and I'm pretty sur ethe man did not have 60 defenses
Tyson has a lot of advantages. Rocky was best at around 185 and Tyson at around 216. That's a 31 pound weight advantage for Tyson, and both are similar in height. Handspeed, combination punching, and accuracy would go to Tyson. Defensive movement, power, and speed, and aggression would go to Tyson. Marciano was tougher and more determined, with better mental strength as well as an awkward bull like style that made him difficult to hit. Rocky also had a really tough punch and better stamina.
Tyson was fidgetty. It made him look faster than he was.... Rocky looked slow on those old tapes but there are some remastered vids on here you should look for... it shows Rocky slipping NUMEROUS punches and countering WAY too fast for the old tapes to show!
@Rockyfan10060 Also ROcky had unorthodox methods of defence whereas Tyson's was more textbook... so Rocky's is harder to notice... he didn't rely on his speed but his style was structured so he could pick his opponent apart carefully!
Tyson would prefer make huge ducking movements rather than restrict his opponents punches with his arms and elbows...
Looks more impressive but really boils down to six of one, half a dozen of the other...
uh. Watching this reminds me of what a hideous game Round 3 was. It was ok in its time and I played it more than anyone. But even when it was fresh I had serious issues with the stupid parry system. It was satisfying to land a big shot, but very unrealistic and frustrating when fighting guys that did noting but stand there and parry. Also the jabbers. uh. Pick Ali and jab jab jab, and get a 1st round KO. Round 4 is 5,000 times better.
An amazing brawler who still to this day has the shortest reach for a champion in heavyweight history. At 5'10" and 188lbs he had to take punches in order to get inside and it is amazing that he is the only champion in boxing to retire with an unblemished record. Not to take anything away from him but he was just too small. If he were to somehow magically appear in todays lightheavy/Cruiser divisions, he would absolutely destroy everyone and everything!
Quit idolizing the past people. Marciano was great but Bert Sugar even agrees that he is not top ten material. Tyson never fought anyone? well neither did Marciano: Louis, 42yr Moore, 39yr Walcott, a past his prime Charles, and the contender La Starza. Amazing fighter but Tyson's reach (71" vs 67") and amazing speed would KO Marciano Rd1. If a 39yr Walcott can drop Rocky... Dempsey would win an exciting match with Marciano and Tunney would simply box circles in a very boring bout.
@CptBoomstick uh, Bert Sugar rates Marciano about 7 or 8, can't remember which. But I have the DVD with his rating the top 10 heavyweight champs and Rock is in there. Look it up.
@bandit7498 "Boxing's Greatest Fighters" by Bert Sugar rates Rocky Marciano 14th, P.43. That's according to Sugar but doesn't necessarily mean he's right. He rates Lennox Lewis as a top 15 heavyweight while I would rate Lewis easily top ten, almost top five due to his size, athleticism, and reach. If a 42yr Moore & 39yr Walcott could put Rocky on the canvas, what would a prime Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson do? LaStarza was really his only opponent and barely won SD.
@CptBoomstick I said top 10 heavyweights. I didn't say top 10 P4P which is what Bert's list is. Regardless, I never said Rocky would beat Ali, so I don't know what you're going on about. I will say this though: Even the great Ali said himself he doesn't know if he could have beaten Rocky. Look it up. I believe he would, but you gotta go on what the man himself says.
Tyson never won a fight with his nose in half or when he was losing on points. He also never beat an all time great, other than washed up Holmes, he never broke the bones in an opponent's arms, put them in a coma,or end their career. He couldn't take it when somebody hit him back. Rocky was scared of nobody, and wouldn't be intimidated by Tyson. Rocky is too durable and too determined for Tyson.
they didnt have steroids during Marciano's era. Tyson has openly admitted that he took anabolic steroids, which accounted for his strength . a fair comparison would be a pharmacological as well as a temporal one.
@Co:Mike hasn't admitted any such thing. No one's even made made a serious accusation. Holyfield's been quoted saying unnamed 3rd parties told him Mike used. Bullshit: Evander should either name his source or shut up. It's Holyfield's name,(actually, a false name, but proven to be him), that cops found on a list of customers during a steroid investigation. 12 yr old Mike, already 190 lbs, didn't need drugs to mature into 220. 17 yr old, 168 lb Holyfield, did.
@J0ker4u Check training film, Mike was a -huge- kid. He matured young, he didn't keep growing, (well, not a lot). The point is he didn't need steroids to be big,& was a true heavyweight all along.
rocky Marciano would throw diffrent punches then just haymaker haymaker haymaker he has more skill then that there was rarely ne jabs in that fight it was nothing but haymakers
Mike Tyson would have destroyed Marciano, it is doubtful Marciano could make it out of the first round. People forget how fast Tyson was, how good his defense was. Before he self destructed Tyson was one of the best fighters of all time, we will never know how great he could have been, but for a tomato can like Marciano he had 0 chance at beating Tyson.
Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglas...he lost to a past his prime Holyfield...Tyson NEVER got off the canvas to come back to win a fight...as all great champs have done...Marciano could take it as well as dish it out....Tyson couldn't...Marciano wears Tyson down.....Marciano by KO...
tyson in his prime was to quike, to strong and to aggresive with enougth power to knock out fucking any1. his is the best infighter to ever live. if any1 went up up close to tyson in his prime, they would get fucked up. his defense was just as good as his offense, amazing bob n weav and amazing head movement. if cus damarto and kevin rooney never left his life, he would of went undeafeated throughout his whole career, FACT.
@TheGuGeZ And your saying that cause you've seen every fighter in the history of the sport right? your not just coming out of your ass saying it cause you lived to see Mike Tyson and know about him. Right? You're not saying that cause he fought in a watered down sport right? He's the best fighter ever cause you've seen Harry Greb, John L Sullivan, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis in his prime, and William Corbet, and Benny Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson, and Henry Armstrong etc etc etc.
Rocky cleaning house once again. Obviously the match would not have ended this quickly, but I'm quite confident Rocky would have had a good chance at winning.
Weedpicker what are you talking about... your saying he is too "small" for Tyson? You obviously dont know anything about Boxing- stick to your video games.... And you know nothing about that era.. Really, Tyson is the one that would have been torn up. The 50's was another era altogether. The top 10 fighters of that era would have all been dominant champs in Tysons era. And Tyson at his best never fought anyone worth mentioning at all. Bone Crusher smith? Come on. Tyson even ducked old Foreman.
@crphnx dude you can not compare the old era any more than you compare basketball NOW, with basketball even as recently as the 90's; prior to Michael Jordan, arguably an athlete that surpassed Muhamad Ali, Basketball was restricted only to the U.S. AFTER Michael Jordan, the sport became global.
@crphnx Basketball is better now, both because the training has evolved to be more sport specific, that includes basketball specific strength training, as well as a HUGE talent pool. The same goes for boxing; back in the 50's the sport was just massive, it was once equated with American maleness. Prior to the 1960's, these were the requirements to be a male; 1) punctuality, 2) self-sufficiency 3) a job 4) boxing skills, it did not matter if you were good, you just had to know.
@stardingo747 You cannot compare basketball and Boxing.. That's like comparing oranges to apples. Different things happened to boxing then happened to basketball. Just cause you have bench presses, and more sophisticated "state of the art gyms" first of all don't mean the art form or the martial art is going to follow suit.
@stardingo747 The lineage of many of the art forms disapeared. For you to understand the reasons would be too long here to explain you'd have to read up on the world of boxing from the 50's on... Don't compare basketball that's just stupid. Boxing btw has like the WBA, WBC, IBF, etc etc etc. Basketball has one official body period. David Stern. basketball teams dont pick their opponents, there is one champion. and the differences go on besides the fact that ---its BASKETBALL!!!!!!!
@crphnx the sport was once so huge, again, your very maleness was questioned if you didn't know how to box. Lets face it; in the 50's, if you never strapped on boxing gloves at least once in your life, people would call you a "queer" or a "faggot." That is how big the sport was. Now, nobody boxes; its still a global sport, but it is not as dominant in America as it once was.
@crphnx finally, although you don't have to respect the man, at least respect his skills; even you will have to admit that Tyson was the last truly skilled champion. Tyson would have been a champion in the lat 60's (briefly), most of the 70's, and prior to Joe Louis, however when Louis, Robinson, Marciano and Patterson ruled the ring in their prime, no way. In the 50's Tyson would have been top 20's but not a top guy.
Just wanna correct you-when Patterson ruled Tyson would be the champ within a round AND he'd beat Marciano,to big,elusive and skilled for Rocky.Louis is something different.
I respect Marciano alot but some of the toughest contenders in the 70:s would probably have beaten him!
He was the best of his time tough-can't ask for more.
@stardingo747 I do think tyson couldve been top 10 in any era but he wouldve had serious problems with greats such as dempsey, gene tunney, joe luis, rocky marciano, maybe joe walcotte, ali, forman, maybe liston. tyson was in the right era for him and at the right time, any earlier in the 80s and he would have problems with larry holmes too lol. i think tyson is good but vastly overated and he also lacked heart.
I will have to disagree here. To me the last talented champ was Lennox Lewis. He was the last to be the Undisputed Heavyweight Champ and deserved his title for the time he held it.
Tyson had a mean punch and that's what he was known for. He wasn't called Iron Mike for nothing you know.
But Marciano had the quick, hard hitting punches. Ali also had it but Marciano had more raw power, he'd mow you down.
@crphnx yep!! the only great tyson faught in the 80s was a 5 years past prime larry holmes and your right, tyson avoided fighting forman at all costs and was verbal that he would not do it. tyson wouldve been taken into deep water with rocky. rocky had one thing that tyson lacked and that was heart and determination. when the chips were down rocky faught harder but for tyson when the chips were down he would fold and thats the biggest difference.
@crphnx how da fuk cud marciano beat tyson. the man had no skills just a straight up brawler. so you think he could take tysonz onslaught and barrage of punches. no way. tyson would ko his ass u dum shit. tyson in his prime dat is. with the lateral movement speed and POWER!
@killerkrew23 you have a stupid mouth you know that? Do you have to be calling people names in a forum? That's what's so pathetic about people like you- they get very courageous cause they're online and they come out of their face calling people names and acting tough-- and make themselves look pathetic. Hence where you come in. Ignorant.. If you cant handle differencing opinions then go somewhere else. When someone doesnt have a good argument they resort to name calling. Like children.
@crphnx Mike fought alot good fighters in his prime. Tony tucker, even a 38 year old Larry Holmes was still dangerous and skillfull, Tyrell Biggs, Carl williams, Ruddock twice, Pinklon Thomas to name a few. By the way, Tyson didn't duck an old Foreman, the fight couldn't be made because Tyson left HBO for Showtime because of some conflicts. Also, you really believe that a 185lb Marciano could cope with a prime 215lb Tyson? You're smoking crack. Tyson in his pro debut would've beaten Marciano.
@renegado454 Marciano punched harder than Tyson, no crack involved my friend. Scientists studied Marcianos punch, the man had more power than men 40-50 pounds heavier than him. Marciano was also a hell of a lot tougher, he was never once stopped in his life against some very tough opponents, he just cut right through them. Tyson wouldn't know how to deal with someone like Marciano, who would absorb every punch thrown and just keep coming. Any time someone took the fight to Tyson he lost
@darkcowboyhero Lol @ scientists studied Marciano's punch. They didn't have the technology to do that back then and when it was available, they couldn't possibly measure his power because he was long gone. Tyson has roughly the same ko % as Marciano and he ko'd bigger guys. Plus the level of competition Marciano fought couldn't carry the jock straps of Tyson's weakest opponents.
Whoever says marciano would win against mike is blind or jst dnt kno anythin bout fighting
udown24 1 month ago
Roland LaStarza had to have surgery to remove blood clots Rocky beat into his arms in their fight. Tests showed his uppercut had the force of a battering ram. Rocky had the power like few others. Tyson was a beast, no doubt about it. But even he looked up to Marciano for his power. I'd give a very close fight to Marciano. I say fight because it'd be haymaker after haymaker between these knockout artists. Could still go to Tyson, but 49-0 is 49-0 no matter what time period.
generalares 2 months ago
marciano the best ever! i like tyson cause hes a vegan like me.
normalguyable 4 months ago
rocky marciano will destroy any boxer in the ring these days
apimpnameslipback1 6 months ago
marciano was a machine, tyson is still a great fighter but he wouldnt have the chin or speed to compete at marciano's level i mean look what the guy did to ali! tyson would get merk'd! no question.
MegaZak1991 8 months ago
@MegaZak1991 lol?to ali?u mixed something rofl
TheDomy24 7 months ago
@TheDomy24 yeh hes talking about the computer simulated "superfirght". it wasnt an actual match but was very realistic and most likely wouldve happened that way if it were real
danosdrake 7 months ago
@danosdrake actually no superfight was ali and marciano and went to cinemas in europe and america in europe marciano won i think on points and in america ali won by ko and no marciano wouldnt stand a chance against iron mike he wouldnt last for 2 rounds
TheDomy24 7 months ago
@MegaZak1991 are you retarded? are you seriously fucking using the bullshit Ali fight? fucking dumbass..Tyson was waaaay faster than Marciano what the fuck are you talking about "Marcianos level"? that bitch had no skill he couldve easily gotten outboxed. he retired when he was thirty so he avoided great young legends like floyd patterson that motherfucker wouldve lost against high caliber fighters like Tyson.
XxAshMorningstarxX 5 months ago
@XxAshMorningstarxX Archie Moore was one of the best fighters of his day. He said fighting Marciano was both "like fighting a bull with gloves" and like getting hit by a propeller blade. Marciano's punches were constant. Marciano ran 15 miles every day in the hills of New York when he trained and he trained for months.
Tyson would never last against him. Marciano had an excellent chin too. Marciano was born to fight and trained like a maniac.
inhibited44 5 months ago
@inhibited44 and retired when he was 30. Larry Holmes was also the shit in his day and Tysonwas the only one to have ever knocked him the fuck out. Marciano wouldve never been able to take constant combos from Tyson just the force of the punches would keep him off balance. He knockled down twice in the first round by guys who 1. didnt weigh as much as Tyson and 2. didnt hit as hard or fast or accuratly as Tyson. He would beat him like he beat Ruddock probably a TKO.
XxAshMorningstarxX 5 months ago
@XxAshMorningstarxX
man i agree
i hate those douches who say marciano would win , damn box developed and in tyson's days where some extraclass boxers , but tyson was superior to them , in his prime just unstoppoble
utoobe656 4 months ago
I loved fight night round 3. Best music track of any boxing game in my opinion. Too bad the game play is so slow compared to the newer games.
AlexChandler100 8 months ago
plus mike was in prison for his best years if he was out at that time nobody would have stood a chance
jabertcul 8 months ago
@jabertcul actually, assuming his mind is right and did not take too much punishment in the ring, a boxer's best years are the late 20's and early 30's. At that age the best fighters have the right combination of ring savvy as they are seasoned, with youthful vigor. Of course, this operates under the assumption a fighter has kept up with their training, and their mind is right.
stardingo747 8 months ago
@jabertcul Except Buster Douglas who had beat his ass from the first ding to the last ding way ahead of Mike going to Prison.
triggert531 6 months ago
@jabertcul Ferdie Pachececo: " Anybody hit flush on the jaw by Marciano goes; they just go!!!!!!!!"
triggert531 6 months ago
did mike tyson get knocked down WHAT just wouldent happen the fight would be finishe after 1 min and tyson would be off home un scaved
jabertcul 8 months ago
@jabertcul
rocky could take any punch, he could take any punch in round 1 and also in round 15 since he never got tired because of his intense training, he had a superb chin and as we all know tyson had no heart and broke down everytime an opponent actually fought with him.
OropherThranduil 8 months ago
@OropherThranduil im sorry but tyson would kill him hes a fuckin monster rockywas a good fighter one of the best but not close to iron mike
jabertcul 8 months ago
@OropherThranduil
A 20'S TYSON WAS UNBEATABLE. YOU WERE GOING TO GET kO'D EVERY WAY UGLY. NO MATTER WHAT .
oR WHO
i CAN HEAR ROCKY NOW..AFTER GETTING A TYSON BOMB TO THE HEAD ...hOW THE HELL THAT MOOLEY GET A BIG CARNIVAL HAMMER IN HERE AND HIT ME WITH IT.
rOCKY WAS VICOUS AND BEAT YOU DOWN UNTIL YOU WERE DOWN
BUT TYSON (SEE LOTS OF FOOTAGE) ROCKY OKAY WAIT I DONT SEE THE HAMMA KABOOM!
tYSON WICKED UPPERCUT KO.....HEY MA THE MEABALLS READY .MA ZZZZZ
IS JERSEY SHORE ON MA
stezothewhitenegro4y 8 months ago
@stezothewhitenegro4y
i don't read comments that are written only big, because only people with an iq below 70 do that.
i guess mikes fanbase is on the same level as he is.
OropherThranduil 8 months ago
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@OropherThranduil " don't read comments that are written only big, because only people with an iq below 70 do that.
i guess mikes fanbase is on the same level as he is."
You're awfully generous with your credit I see 8^) Crediting them with an IQ of 70 and they might feel ready to amputate their fingers. They won't need them to count anymore.
mongoose704 7 months ago
@stezothewhitenegro4y
"A 20'S TYSON WAS UNBEATABLE."
So unbeatable that when he was 24 he was KTFO by a journeyman. Oh here come the excuses from glue sniffing shitferbrained nutlicking Tysson apologists who have never seen one boxing match outside of Tyson's youtube clips vs tomato cans. "Tyson was 150lbs overweight, he was fucking 50 girls a night, had canine AIDS, never slept in 10 months and was being drugged on a regular basis by Robin Givens!"
mongoose704 7 months ago
Rocky proved he was best in his time which had 30 good fighters to any of today, poor old mike never had the same quality of opposition and even then was destroyed by Douglas ?????? then whipped by Holyfield and Lewis etc....this makes him around $th in his time so this game is neither here nor there so get over it.
gregluland 9 months ago
After watching this video (obviously a game or something) I've never (in real life seen Tyson throw that few punches when fighting on the inside with someone. Tyson was not a top 10 fighter, but he sure as hell had the best if not the best hand speed/quickness/power of anyone in professional boxing history. Marciano would have taken serious punishment fighting him like that. Real or fake.
timmyc44 9 months ago
The only way Rocky could win would be in this Video Game fantasy. There no way rocky could beat Iron Mike in the real world.
dreke1020 9 months ago
@dreke1020
sissy mike would start crying after the rock took his punches for the first 3 rounds and have a mental breakdown.
OropherThranduil 8 months ago
@OropherThranduil are you retarded mike would fucking destroy him you know nothing about boxing tyson is a fuckin monster
jabertcul 8 months ago
@jabertcul
the IQ of his fans prove he's not.
he's almost as low as the level oh mikes heart was.
the guy had no heart.
OropherThranduil 8 months ago
man I can't believe its been this long already since round 3.
stardingo747 10 months ago
A prime Tyson would beat a prime Marciano knockout, I bet. No disrespect, Marciano was really good, but Tyson with Cus D'Amato at his side from the age of 20-23 would be unbeatable, if he was in top shape.
If you look at Marciano's career, he only ever fought in his prime, from the age of 26-31 and the people he beat, who were actually good, were all older than him: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were all older than Marciano.
truebeliever786 10 months ago
@truebeliever786 no fucking chance!
MisfitsToFreaxxs13 10 months ago
@MisfitsToFreaxxs13
Marciano mainly fought old people, like Joe Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore. Tyson would fight people far bigger than him, like Mitch Green, and slam them. Marciano couldn't beat Tyson.
If Tyson had Cus D'Amato with him, no one could beat him. He would watch videos of all the great heavyweights and style himself based on them. A fighter like that would be unstoppable. Later on, he screwed up, but when Cus was with him, he was invincible.
truebeliever786 10 months ago
@truebeliever786 you need to go at box rec dude. Charles did not begin to decline as a fighter until the mid 1950's, actually I think it was late 50's, and fuck man he wasn't that much older. Also, throughout any Boxer's career, the first half of the fighters they get tend to be all bums. Also, LaStarza, a good fighter who was younger than him? Man Marciano destroyed that guy; he literally broke his arms.
stardingo747 10 months ago
LaStarza wasn't that good. Besides, he was only 24. Marciano was 30. Both were equidistant from their primes (about 27). He wasn't that good. Marciano fought all his fighters in his Prime and he had the advantage of age. Charles was only a little older, but he was still older and went the whole 15 rounds with him. Walcott knocked Marciano down and so did Archie Moore and they were way older. Marciano was indeed one of the all-time greats, but not as great as Tyson with Cus D'Amato, age 20-23.
truebeliever786 10 months ago
Rocky's the greatest Tyson wouldn't have lasted that long. And the only Ali would have had a chance would be if his corner man drugged him like he did Foreman. And for you idiots talking Liston,he was the biggest fraud that ever lived. He was mob owned when he won his title and he was mob owned when he took a dive on a phantom punch from that dumbass cowardly drat dodger Ali. Oh and here's a fun fact the first time Ali was tested for the draft he was found to be a moron and too dumb to fight
loedlj 10 months ago
@loedlj lol! ali was not a bum mate if thats what your saying! you need to learn a little more about boxing history, but th only way marciano would beat tyson is if they fought at 220lb , marciano fought at 187lbs in his prime, theres noway he would beat a 220lb pime tyson at that weight ....no way! but even if marciano moved up weight we wouldnt even know if he could still have his power at that weight , but by all means bring tyson down to 187lb and we have a fight!!!
jrgniuwer 10 months ago
@jrgniuwer if Muhamad Ali was too much of a moron to fight in the army then why was he thrown in prison for draft evasion? Here is a fun fact about Muhamad Ali; I think I read somewhere that he has an I.Q. ranging from 130 to 150, a "moron" he is not. Plus, before his alzheimers he had a photographic memory, its part of what gave him an edge in boxing; he memorized rival's patterns and then he out timed them.
stardingo747 10 months ago
@jrgniuwer you clearly didn't see the Dempsey/Willard fight.
stardingo747 10 months ago
@stardingo747 lol you cant compare a prime mike tyson against the joke that was jess willard lol...anyway jack dempsey used a piece of iron in his glove in that fight!
jrgniuwer 10 months ago
@jrgniuwer you do realize that Dempsey was a bare knuckle fighter right? Ever watch the movie "Snatch" by chance? Namely the fight between Brad Pitt's character and a professional modern boxer? What the narrator said was true; bare knuckle boxing hardens the bones both of the face, and the hands. Dempsey's fists cut to the bone because they were hardened by bare knuckle fighting.
stardingo747 9 months ago
@jrgniuwer true you can't, but I am pointing out that if there is a disparity in timing and execution size doesn't matter, same with motivation. Hell though, the reason Marciano went undefeated is because no one thought he was good. Believing Tyson could beat him easily, is the very thing that would get him dropped dude.
stardingo747 9 months ago
@jrgniuwer incidentally, Dempsey was not that good a bare knuckle boxer; although he never lost saloon fights, against actual, knowledgeable bare knuckle boxers he frequently got his ass kicked. You just can't compare bare knuckle fighters to modern boxers dude; the bones of their fists, and their faces are calcified, and more resistant to shock. They could withstand body blows better too.
stardingo747 9 months ago
@stardingo747 mate are you retarded? when the hell did i say ali was a moron????? i idolise ali! your getting me mixed up with another looser and i never said anything about dempsey i said jess willard was a joke and he was!
jrgniuwer 9 months ago
@stardingo747 and the reason marciano was undefeated is not because people thought he wasnt that good lol it was because he had huge heart and guts he refused to loose he would rather die than loose a fight, it had nothing to do with what you said mate
jrgniuwer 9 months ago
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tienes poca idea boxeo y de juegos de boxeo
lavadoora 11 months ago
tienes poca idea boxeo y de juegos de boxeo
lavadoora 11 months ago
Marciano won the heavyweight championship after 42 FIGHTS!!!
Made 5-6 title defenses and crawled back up Don Vitos ass
TYSONNN DIG HIM UP NOW AND EAT WHATS LEFT OF HIM
rydeoride 11 months ago
@rydeoride
lol it showed he must have fought nobodies to rise up to numba one contender tht slowly weras tyson went straight for the big guns and the youngest eva champ, ali also rise thru the ranks quick and used his trash talking to get a heavyweight shot wen he wasnt even the number one contender.
jijforlife 10 months ago
Marciano Is Still Undefeated Lol
robocop224 11 months ago
este es un juego de mierda, yo lo tengo y es mas malo que el sida... es malisimo los golpes y como lo tenes que manejar... la verdad es un juego que no atrae, y despues de jugar una peleita te das cuenta que es una bosta
Rock92Leekpo 1 year ago
@Rock92Leekpo pues proba "Fight Night Champions." Sale este Marzo.
stardingo747 11 months ago
just the way it would've happened - like in the clay fight too - nothing phantom about marciano's punches
realfunny7 1 year ago
Rocky had the toughest punch of them all
ys246 1 year ago
mike was too fast for rocky and hit just as hard if not harder if it was toe to toe it would be questionable but tyson in his prime punched off angles
bigdez 1 year ago
@bigdez
well, and one of rockys opponents, archie moore described the fight like this:
After a fight with Rocky you feel as if someone hit you with a cudgel and threw stones at you.
while joe louis once said:
It even hurts to bump together with him. He hits harder than Schmeling, he beats everyone.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
@bigdez
While Joe Frazier said:
Joe Louis is the greatest of all time, right after him there's Rocky. Where i see Ali? Somewhere behind me.
I've beaten Ali, and if i could do that, then Louis and Marciano could have accomplished it without further ado.
i don't think Tyson could have beaten either Ali nor Frazier, and since i kinda trust the mans word, he knows a bit about boxing i guess, yeah, my two cents.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
@OropherThranduil
Dude any opinion Frazier has on Muhammad ALi has to be taken with a grain of salt. To this day he is bitter towards Muhammad and his complements of him have been VERY few and far between.
As far as Marciano. He's was great. But his RECORD is overrated (not so much him). Adjusted for difficluty/quality of opposition etc...I think Ali has the best record in boxing. The best in his era were the best ever and he beat them all..either in the first fight or in rematches.
holidayrap 10 months ago
@holidayrap
i know, but ali himself
the master and originator of trash talk, once said that he thinks Marciano would have been the hardest opponent for him to fight and that the fight could go out either way
But it also depends on wether pre or post box stop ali, because before he was floating like a butterfly, but afterwards more or less changed his dancing to let his opponent wear himself out trying to box him to a KO.
OropherThranduil 10 months ago
@OropherThranduil
gd point bt u must understand ali onli trash talked about boxers he was going to face soon, nt retired ones, ali also once sed he thought one mike tyson punch wud put him too sleep which is ridiculous. also they did not have much video evidence of rocky's fights nor assessed his competition so ali was talking mainly on rumour tht marciano was sum sort of supa fighter, nowadays boxing experts will tell u he is no wer near ali, ali vs louis wud be a closa match.
jijforlife 10 months ago
@jijforlife
well, Joe Louis actually was back in pretty good form when Rocky fought him, he wasn't an old man then like many try to portray it, but i guess some of Rocky's fights look so easy to win for him is because no matter the opponent Rocky always trained like a maniac.
OropherThranduil 10 months ago
@OropherThranduil
tht is ridiculous afta the fight rocky cried, for beating an old man he onli fought louis, becuz louis needed the money and died a poor man, whilst rocky got out the game quik, it is very silly to say louis was in preety good form he was the same age as when ali was battered into submission by larry holmes, ask any expert hu wud win out of prime louis and prime marciano they will say louis, thts y louis was rated numba 1 puncher of all time and rocky was ranked 14th
jijforlife 10 months ago
@OropherThranduil
rocky never ducked anyone it wasnt his fault he never faced a good opponent in his career, the onli really good guys he fought was ezzard charles hu split his nose age 33, jersey joe walcott dropped him age 38, archie moore dropped him age 42 and louis age 38. even archie hu loved rocky sed one he didnt face any pirme decent fighters and 2 a prime ezzard charles would have knocked him owt, rocky was sure smart for retiring before liston finished him tho.
jijforlife 10 months ago
the guys in this vid look like Phil Baroni and a young Mr. T
-_-
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Regarding the decline in boxing skill though the lower weight divisions are more physically fit than ever, and more well conditioned than ever, but their form sucks compared to the old timers. Roy Jones Jr. only got away with what he did, because, what dudes have good aim or counter skills anymore? Frankly I think the likes of Robinson or Lamotta would rip him apart.
stardingo747 1 year ago
Marciano was extremely well conditioned but Tyson's speed, size and power would have been too much for him. Tyson by KO within 6.
chronic124 1 year ago
@chronic124 and of course his steroids
Commonsense11111 1 year ago
@chronic124 u HAVE to be on chronic!
lol
J0ker4u 1 year ago
@J0ker4u Instead of making some dumb comment why don't you explain your position and tell me what you disagree with me on and why, I am an avid boxing fan and an amateur boxer so I do have a good idea what Im talking about.
chronic124 1 year ago
Im gonna have to take Tyson, Marciano was maybe 3o pounds lighter then Tyson, i think that would be to much to make up for. Im taking Tyson by TKO in round 8.
ThePresident45 1 year ago
this is retarded just like any other sport you can see that athletes have become better as the decades pass one example that can be measured is that of sprinters. no matter how fast they were in the 50s those guys can't compete with the times there posting now. present boxers are more conditioned due to better diets and training tech. sure marciano controlled his era but even adamek would've destroyed marciano let alone one the klitscko brothers !!
chapine7 1 year ago
@chapine7 boxing isn't like other sports dude, first of all, second, the talent pool makes a huge difference and, if anything, modern sports conditioning can in fact LOWER boxing performance. With boxing you pretty much need to stick to cals and muscle integration work, and in Marciano's time, just in the U.S. alone the pool of boxers easily reached close to 50 million, as opposed to only, MAYBE, 10 million today.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@chapine7 and how many sprinters are there now as opposed to the 50's? Boxing was massive back in those times, in fact, in the 50's if you did not even know rudimentary boxing you weren't even considered a man. Regarding the second half of your comment I agree; with other sports conditioning and diet ARE better AND, the talent pool is bigger. Look at basketball now compared to the 90's; B-ball is much bigger now, and the pro game is tougher.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@chapine7 look at basketball now compared to basketball in the 90's; the world at large has become overwhelmingly urban, and its part of the reason for basketball's growing global popularity. The talent pool is much bigger, and there are even questions as to how long Jordan will remain "the greatest ever." Given basketball's talent pool's growth, its only a matter of time before someone supplants him, a basketball player who is a sniper like Bird, and a flyer like Jordan.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@chapine7 regarding the basketball thing, as with other sports, you're only good relative to the number of people you compete against. If there are only 200 boxers on this entire planet, and you're the champion that doesn't mean much does it?
stardingo747 1 year ago
Agree that athletes are bigger, stronger and more skilled these days, but the heavyweight division right now has never been weaker. If we were talking the 80's/90's, I'd agree with you. Boxers trained hard as hell then. Now they take shortcuts (roids), and that may work in football & baseball, but not boxing. When your muscles get bulkier you can't punch as hard or as fast. You can't cheat in boxing, you have to put in the work. Guys don't today, and it shows.
JunmaiShu 1 year ago
@JunmaiShu truly, most people don't think a welter Ray Robinson would stand a chance against Floyd Mayweather; what you said is precisely the point another boxing fan made. Regarding the whole conditioning, how ripped and fit guys are, that modern boxers are better in that area is true until you get to the heavies; guys who would be in shape at 210 (at 5 or 6% fat), step into the ring weighing in at 270.
stardingo747 1 year ago
My comments apply only to the heavyweight division. The quality is certainly still there in the lower weight classes. Ray Robinson?... no. But by the Sugar Ray Leonard era, absolutely. Those guys could compete with anybody today.
And honestly I think the overall skill of bball has declined since the Jordan era, not improved. Some kid may average more ppg than him some day, but will they play defense like him too, or make EVERY big shot at every key moment year after year? I doubt it.
JunmaiShu 1 year ago
@JunmaiShu basketball has become more global lately, as the entire world becomes more increasingly urbanized. The U.S. dream team was nowhere near as dominant as it was when Jordan, Bird, and Johnson played. The players are probably more skilled overall, and the intensity has likely gone up a couple of notches, its only issue is that it hasn't produced big stars. Ever since white people knocked on blacks for fundamentals, the players got their asses in gear, and are good overall now.
stardingo747 1 year ago
As for the people dogging on black players for lacking "fundamentals". One word to describe them... racist. But I really think there is a lack of fundamentals these days, regardless of race. Or maybe it's heart/toughness? They don't play as hard perhaps because they get so rich so quick that they "have plans after basketball", and don't want to blow out a knee. Whatever the case, I think the quality of bball has declined since the 90's.
JunmaiShu 1 year ago
@JunmaiShu the 90's was just dunks, dunks and more dunks, where basketball was concerned, while the 80's was a fundamentals game, now, you see fundamentals AND dunks, but no big stars. Sure a few dudes are really good, but none of them have reached the legend's levels. Regarding the heavyweight division, its best era was during Joe Louis' reign.
stardingo747 1 year ago
Actually, said fundamentals are exactly what I see as lacking these days. Now kids just want to "get theirs"... meaning their 15 minutes of fame on ESPN and their shoe deals. Helping their team win games comes secondary (if at all) to that. They don't pass, play defense or shoot the perimeter shot as well. And I also don't think these kids are any more athletically gifted than they were in the 80's/90's. The sport was bigger then than it is now, in fact, mostly because of MJ.
JunmaiShu 1 year ago
@JunmaiShu also, in the lighter weight divisions, boxers are pretty much like machines anymore; the little guys can punch nonstop now a days.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@JunmaiShu bs!
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Marciano fought in less competitive days. Every new generation of boxers is better than their predecessors!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue
todays champs fight what, 3 fights a year?
back in louis or marcianos days 20 fights a year where pretty normal.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
@OropherThranduil There you go, that answers the question, if a fighter fighting 30 fights a year fought today's 3 fight a year boxer, would be killed in first 3 rounds!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue
sorry, but you should really read about the inhuman training marciano got trough everyday during his 6 year reign as champ, his stamina far exceeded that of todays boxers, his chin could take anything, he jogged 7 miles a day, 10 weeks before a fight, 15 the week before the fight.
he could've easily went 30 rounds.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago 7
@OropherThranduil Well all these boxers go thorugh similar training, some boxers are physically better that they can get away with slightly lesser training. He might be the greatest of all but I think its a specualation.
Just like we can never say for sure who would have won between Ali and Tyson, we can't say for sure who would of won out of Ali and Marciano!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue
the second part is right.
but sorry, nobody trained as hard as him, really, search for it on google, there are 2 decent articles on it, the man gave up everything before a big fight, not having contact to even his family in the last weeks before a fight.
there are reasons why he was never hurt in a fight.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago 3
@OropherThranduil um he was hurt when he beat ali, ali busted his nose, so dont say he was never hurt
icedboy4 1 year ago
@icedboy4
i was talknig about Rocky.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
@OropherThrandu Sorry but im no agreed with you, and Marciano is mi hero believe me. Tyson fights a diferebt kind of boxing, he moves his head and hit without being hited on an awsome speed, and his punching power was incredible for his size. Marciano opens his guard so many times and Tyson would punish him so bad that even with his courage and his superior phisical condition canot take those vicious uppercuts. Marciano would need to learn modern boxing to defeat him, even when he is stronger
heczuya 6 months ago
@OropherThranduil, but could he stand 1 round of Mike Tyson punching his face?
EPILEPTICFUN 1 year ago
@EPILEPTICFUN
for sure he could.
if you can stand 13 rounds against heavy weight champion Jersey Joe Walcott and then KAYO the fuck out of him with suzy q he surely could have stand against at the most 3 rounds of tyson, because after those, if he still stood (what he would) tyson would break like a baby.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
no. tyson would've destroyed marciano. im no tyson fan either. marciano never fought anyone as good as tyson. guys like louis, walcott and moore were ancient when they fought rocky and he struggled with them, more so walcott n moore. imagine any of those guys fightin rocky in their primes....its a one sided fight in their favors
jmgnyg 11 months ago
@jmgnyg louis, walcott, moore ar all hall of famers, any top rank heavyweight today would get beat off them, not to mention walcott hit a late prime like lennox lewis & when marciano beat another hall of famer in ezzard charles there was only a 2 year difference seperating them, marciano was 30 charles 32, go back in your hole boy, you have a lot to learn about the sport. ( what people seem to forget is the self proclaimed great one ali also beat on an even older archie moore to pad his record )
shotgunshawzy 10 months ago
@jmgnyg You are so full of shit, marciano in no shape or form struggled with joe louis, louis kept him away for about 5 rounds with his jab & irritated him, thats all, & walcott was an exellent fighter & was supremely condioned for his age in the first title fight he would have given any fighter trouble in that fight fool.
shotgunshawzy 10 months ago
im so full of shit? ive forgotten more boxing than you'll ever know son. plain and simple......marciano is the most overrated heavyweight of all time and deep down inside you know it 2
jmgnyg 10 months ago
@OropherThranduil WITH WEIGHTS!
carmodifire 8 months ago
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OropherThranduil 8 months ago
@OropherThranduil No, I meant that when he ran, he put ankle weights on, increasing his strength and stamina even more.
carmodifire 8 months ago
@carmodifire
i know, i just wanted to put that a step further ;P
yeah rocky is one of a kind.
chewing a steak but not eating it when i remeber it right.
OropherThranduil 8 months ago
@OropherThranduil fuck no if he got floored by old men in the first round who didnt hit nearly as hard or fast or accurately as Mike Tyson i cant see his mighty chin that could take anything tking Tyson's continous punches. Besides the dude weighed 180 something pounds Tyson was 218 lbs Marciano has power but so does Tyson they both can take punches but Marciano has less skill and a prime Tyson can sure as hell go the distance because yes he hadthe heart and skills for it.
XxAshMorningstarxX 5 months ago
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@attractivue "There you go, that answers the question, if a fighter fighting 30 fights a year fought today's 3 fight a year boxer, would be killed in first 3 rounds!"
lol that's idiotic reasoning...
And I don't think they fought thirty fights a year since he had the belt for 2 years and I'm pretty sur ethe man did not have 60 defenses
-.-
Still think he's the greatest! The Rock is king!
J0ker4u 1 year ago
so tyson lost to rocky in a video game...
now we definetly know who is the best pound for pound boxer ever :/... Ali.
fakeandgay69 1 year ago
stupid guy stupid vid
JayDatDawg 1 year ago
was this on ps3 or 360
mechagamer13 1 year ago
@mechagamer13 360 during my pre HD days.
stardingo747 1 year ago
But what if Tyson had a sword?
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
that is the truth right there
ProKILLER91J 1 year ago
size doesn't help wildebeasts much against lions.
stardingo747 1 year ago
Marciano beats Tyson on heart alone! Tyson NEVER got off the floor to come back and win!!!
beatlejim64 1 year ago 2
Tyson has a lot of advantages. Rocky was best at around 185 and Tyson at around 216. That's a 31 pound weight advantage for Tyson, and both are similar in height. Handspeed, combination punching, and accuracy would go to Tyson. Defensive movement, power, and speed, and aggression would go to Tyson. Marciano was tougher and more determined, with better mental strength as well as an awkward bull like style that made him difficult to hit. Rocky also had a really tough punch and better stamina.
Rockyfan10060 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 ACCURACY TO TYSON?
I dunno what to say! :O
Tyson was fidgetty. It made him look faster than he was.... Rocky looked slow on those old tapes but there are some remastered vids on here you should look for... it shows Rocky slipping NUMEROUS punches and countering WAY too fast for the old tapes to show!
J0ker4u 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 Also ROcky had unorthodox methods of defence whereas Tyson's was more textbook... so Rocky's is harder to notice... he didn't rely on his speed but his style was structured so he could pick his opponent apart carefully!
Tyson would prefer make huge ducking movements rather than restrict his opponents punches with his arms and elbows...
Looks more impressive but really boils down to six of one, half a dozen of the other...
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Check out Philadelphia Boxer ( Anthony Abbruzzese )
MrSouthphillyitalian 1 year ago
uh. Watching this reminds me of what a hideous game Round 3 was. It was ok in its time and I played it more than anyone. But even when it was fresh I had serious issues with the stupid parry system. It was satisfying to land a big shot, but very unrealistic and frustrating when fighting guys that did noting but stand there and parry. Also the jabbers. uh. Pick Ali and jab jab jab, and get a 1st round KO. Round 4 is 5,000 times better.
bandit7498 1 year ago
This looks good but, the only way Marciano could beat Tyson is to not get hit. Nobody who ever got hit squarely by Tyson survived.
The advantage for Marciano was that he, like Tyson, never backed up. I think whoever got in the first good solid punch would have won.
JCandDonnaLee 1 year ago
Mike obviously wasn't sticking to his fight plan here.
vtm914 1 year ago
An amazing brawler who still to this day has the shortest reach for a champion in heavyweight history. At 5'10" and 188lbs he had to take punches in order to get inside and it is amazing that he is the only champion in boxing to retire with an unblemished record. Not to take anything away from him but he was just too small. If he were to somehow magically appear in todays lightheavy/Cruiser divisions, he would absolutely destroy everyone and everything!
CptBoomstick 1 year ago
Quit idolizing the past people. Marciano was great but Bert Sugar even agrees that he is not top ten material. Tyson never fought anyone? well neither did Marciano: Louis, 42yr Moore, 39yr Walcott, a past his prime Charles, and the contender La Starza. Amazing fighter but Tyson's reach (71" vs 67") and amazing speed would KO Marciano Rd1. If a 39yr Walcott can drop Rocky... Dempsey would win an exciting match with Marciano and Tunney would simply box circles in a very boring bout.
CptBoomstick 1 year ago
@CptBoomstick uh, Bert Sugar rates Marciano about 7 or 8, can't remember which. But I have the DVD with his rating the top 10 heavyweight champs and Rock is in there. Look it up.
bandit7498 1 year ago
@bandit7498 "Boxing's Greatest Fighters" by Bert Sugar rates Rocky Marciano 14th, P.43. That's according to Sugar but doesn't necessarily mean he's right. He rates Lennox Lewis as a top 15 heavyweight while I would rate Lewis easily top ten, almost top five due to his size, athleticism, and reach. If a 42yr Moore & 39yr Walcott could put Rocky on the canvas, what would a prime Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson do? LaStarza was really his only opponent and barely won SD.
CptBoomstick 1 year ago
@CptBoomstick I said top 10 heavyweights. I didn't say top 10 P4P which is what Bert's list is. Regardless, I never said Rocky would beat Ali, so I don't know what you're going on about. I will say this though: Even the great Ali said himself he doesn't know if he could have beaten Rocky. Look it up. I believe he would, but you gotta go on what the man himself says.
bandit7498 1 year ago
@CptBoomstick ou mention he hit the canvas... but was he knocked out/? Half knocked out?
DId you see how quick and easily he got up? it's more like backing back and tripping over laces in those instances...
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Tyson never won a fight with his nose in half or when he was losing on points. He also never beat an all time great, other than washed up Holmes, he never broke the bones in an opponent's arms, put them in a coma,or end their career. He couldn't take it when somebody hit him back. Rocky was scared of nobody, and wouldn't be intimidated by Tyson. Rocky is too durable and too determined for Tyson.
JoeBarrow35 1 year ago
49-0 baby!
seka1986 1 year ago
they didnt have steroids during Marciano's era. Tyson has openly admitted that he took anabolic steroids, which accounted for his strength . a fair comparison would be a pharmacological as well as a temporal one.
Commonsense11111 1 year ago
@Co:Mike hasn't admitted any such thing. No one's even made made a serious accusation. Holyfield's been quoted saying unnamed 3rd parties told him Mike used. Bullshit: Evander should either name his source or shut up. It's Holyfield's name,(actually, a false name, but proven to be him), that cops found on a list of customers during a steroid investigation. 12 yr old Mike, already 190 lbs, didn't need drugs to mature into 220. 17 yr old, 168 lb Holyfield, did.
lazur1 1 year ago
@lazur1 Mike was not 190 at 12 years old come on!
He'd be 260 at 25!
:O
J0ker4u 1 year ago
@J0ker4u Check training film, Mike was a -huge- kid. He matured young, he didn't keep growing, (well, not a lot). The point is he didn't need steroids to be big,& was a true heavyweight all along.
lazur1 1 year ago
rocky Marciano would throw diffrent punches then just haymaker haymaker haymaker he has more skill then that there was rarely ne jabs in that fight it was nothing but haymakers
braxton2337 1 year ago
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CassiusAli67 1 year ago
i agree rocky would have won
HuckeysWorld 1 year ago
Mike Tyson would have destroyed Marciano, it is doubtful Marciano could make it out of the first round. People forget how fast Tyson was, how good his defense was. Before he self destructed Tyson was one of the best fighters of all time, we will never know how great he could have been, but for a tomato can like Marciano he had 0 chance at beating Tyson.
CRAZYHORSE19682003 1 year ago
Ahhh good old FN3
DemonsGlory 1 year ago
wow! i didn't know these guys fought!! (and Marciano looks good for person who died before Tyson was born.)
woolgoolgaboy 1 year ago
that doesn't even look like Tyson
morningbirdfeeder 1 year ago
Doesn't even look like Rocky, or Tyson... haha.
Nickyup16 1 year ago
This looks more like a Rocky movie than a fight between these great champions
chucknchar 1 year ago
Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglas...he lost to a past his prime Holyfield...Tyson NEVER got off the canvas to come back to win a fight...as all great champs have done...Marciano could take it as well as dish it out....Tyson couldn't...Marciano wears Tyson down.....Marciano by KO...
beatlejim64 1 year ago
what's the name of the game pls !
adytzucul 1 year ago
That isn't fucking Mike Tyson!!
renegado454 1 year ago
you only have to watch tyson in his prime to realise and understand what ive just said. TYSON 4EVA
TheGuGeZ 1 year ago
tyson in his prime was to quike, to strong and to aggresive with enougth power to knock out fucking any1. his is the best infighter to ever live. if any1 went up up close to tyson in his prime, they would get fucked up. his defense was just as good as his offense, amazing bob n weav and amazing head movement. if cus damarto and kevin rooney never left his life, he would of went undeafeated throughout his whole career, FACT.
TheGuGeZ 1 year ago
@TheGuGeZ And your saying that cause you've seen every fighter in the history of the sport right? your not just coming out of your ass saying it cause you lived to see Mike Tyson and know about him. Right? You're not saying that cause he fought in a watered down sport right? He's the best fighter ever cause you've seen Harry Greb, John L Sullivan, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis in his prime, and William Corbet, and Benny Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson, and Henry Armstrong etc etc etc.
crphnx 1 year ago
@TheGuGeZ
Problem is that during Tyson's reign, there wasn't much of great caliber to compare with him.
Compare that with, say, Ali, who had Frasier, Foreman and all those legends of boxing to deal with.
To compare two boxers at the tail end of their careers...
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson...
We all know who won that one...
Oh but that's right, Tyson wasn't in his prime no more...
Well Lennox either... He was still the champ but he was 37 years old...
Tyson was 36...
darkdaej 1 year ago
You Pussy! Another fucking game! Fuck u
blacksabman 1 year ago
mike tyson y rocky marciano, no se parecen en nada a los originales, miren cualquier foto de ellos y compruebenlo.
joseluruz 1 year ago
gayest vidoe on earth OMG!!! watch "funny kid with jars"... funniest thing you will ever see
grinding11gears 1 year ago
@grinding11gears You are a cocksucker for this, who gives a shit about your jars and peppers and cranberries... Burn your camera.
ceeloshady3 1 year ago
Rocky cleaning house once again. Obviously the match would not have ended this quickly, but I'm quite confident Rocky would have had a good chance at winning.
GameMiestro 1 year ago
Weedpicker what are you talking about... your saying he is too "small" for Tyson? You obviously dont know anything about Boxing- stick to your video games.... And you know nothing about that era.. Really, Tyson is the one that would have been torn up. The 50's was another era altogether. The top 10 fighters of that era would have all been dominant champs in Tysons era. And Tyson at his best never fought anyone worth mentioning at all. Bone Crusher smith? Come on. Tyson even ducked old Foreman.
crphnx 1 year ago 12
@crphnx dude you can not compare the old era any more than you compare basketball NOW, with basketball even as recently as the 90's; prior to Michael Jordan, arguably an athlete that surpassed Muhamad Ali, Basketball was restricted only to the U.S. AFTER Michael Jordan, the sport became global.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@crphnx Basketball is better now, both because the training has evolved to be more sport specific, that includes basketball specific strength training, as well as a HUGE talent pool. The same goes for boxing; back in the 50's the sport was just massive, it was once equated with American maleness. Prior to the 1960's, these were the requirements to be a male; 1) punctuality, 2) self-sufficiency 3) a job 4) boxing skills, it did not matter if you were good, you just had to know.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@stardingo747 You cannot compare basketball and Boxing.. That's like comparing oranges to apples. Different things happened to boxing then happened to basketball. Just cause you have bench presses, and more sophisticated "state of the art gyms" first of all don't mean the art form or the martial art is going to follow suit.
crphnx 1 year ago
@stardingo747 The lineage of many of the art forms disapeared. For you to understand the reasons would be too long here to explain you'd have to read up on the world of boxing from the 50's on... Don't compare basketball that's just stupid. Boxing btw has like the WBA, WBC, IBF, etc etc etc. Basketball has one official body period. David Stern. basketball teams dont pick their opponents, there is one champion. and the differences go on besides the fact that ---its BASKETBALL!!!!!!!
crphnx 1 year ago
@crphnx the sport was once so huge, again, your very maleness was questioned if you didn't know how to box. Lets face it; in the 50's, if you never strapped on boxing gloves at least once in your life, people would call you a "queer" or a "faggot." That is how big the sport was. Now, nobody boxes; its still a global sport, but it is not as dominant in America as it once was.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@crphnx finally, although you don't have to respect the man, at least respect his skills; even you will have to admit that Tyson was the last truly skilled champion. Tyson would have been a champion in the lat 60's (briefly), most of the 70's, and prior to Joe Louis, however when Louis, Robinson, Marciano and Patterson ruled the ring in their prime, no way. In the 50's Tyson would have been top 20's but not a top guy.
stardingo747 1 year ago
@stardingo747
Just wanna correct you-when Patterson ruled Tyson would be the champ within a round AND he'd beat Marciano,to big,elusive and skilled for Rocky.Louis is something different.
I respect Marciano alot but some of the toughest contenders in the 70:s would probably have beaten him!
He was the best of his time tough-can't ask for more.
swedishtysonfan 1 year ago
@stardingo747 I do think tyson couldve been top 10 in any era but he wouldve had serious problems with greats such as dempsey, gene tunney, joe luis, rocky marciano, maybe joe walcotte, ali, forman, maybe liston. tyson was in the right era for him and at the right time, any earlier in the 80s and he would have problems with larry holmes too lol. i think tyson is good but vastly overated and he also lacked heart.
anselmochevelle 1 year ago
@stardingo747
I will have to disagree here. To me the last talented champ was Lennox Lewis. He was the last to be the Undisputed Heavyweight Champ and deserved his title for the time he held it.
Tyson had a mean punch and that's what he was known for. He wasn't called Iron Mike for nothing you know.
But Marciano had the quick, hard hitting punches. Ali also had it but Marciano had more raw power, he'd mow you down.
To me, Rocky Marciano is the best champ ever.
I put Ali in 2nd...
darkdaej 1 year ago
@crphnx yep!! the only great tyson faught in the 80s was a 5 years past prime larry holmes and your right, tyson avoided fighting forman at all costs and was verbal that he would not do it. tyson wouldve been taken into deep water with rocky. rocky had one thing that tyson lacked and that was heart and determination. when the chips were down rocky faught harder but for tyson when the chips were down he would fold and thats the biggest difference.
anselmochevelle 1 year ago
@anselmochevelle at least there's someone with some sense in this comments section!
crphnx 1 year ago
@crphnx how da fuk cud marciano beat tyson. the man had no skills just a straight up brawler. so you think he could take tysonz onslaught and barrage of punches. no way. tyson would ko his ass u dum shit. tyson in his prime dat is. with the lateral movement speed and POWER!
killerkrew23 1 year ago
@killerkrew23 you have a stupid mouth you know that? Do you have to be calling people names in a forum? That's what's so pathetic about people like you- they get very courageous cause they're online and they come out of their face calling people names and acting tough-- and make themselves look pathetic. Hence where you come in. Ignorant.. If you cant handle differencing opinions then go somewhere else. When someone doesnt have a good argument they resort to name calling. Like children.
crphnx 1 year ago
@crphnx Mike fought alot good fighters in his prime. Tony tucker, even a 38 year old Larry Holmes was still dangerous and skillfull, Tyrell Biggs, Carl williams, Ruddock twice, Pinklon Thomas to name a few. By the way, Tyson didn't duck an old Foreman, the fight couldn't be made because Tyson left HBO for Showtime because of some conflicts. Also, you really believe that a 185lb Marciano could cope with a prime 215lb Tyson? You're smoking crack. Tyson in his pro debut would've beaten Marciano.
renegado454 1 year ago
@renegado454 Marciano punched harder than Tyson, no crack involved my friend. Scientists studied Marcianos punch, the man had more power than men 40-50 pounds heavier than him. Marciano was also a hell of a lot tougher, he was never once stopped in his life against some very tough opponents, he just cut right through them. Tyson wouldn't know how to deal with someone like Marciano, who would absorb every punch thrown and just keep coming. Any time someone took the fight to Tyson he lost
darkcowboyhero 1 year ago
@darkcowboyhero Lol @ scientists studied Marciano's punch. They didn't have the technology to do that back then and when it was available, they couldn't possibly measure his power because he was long gone. Tyson has roughly the same ko % as Marciano and he ko'd bigger guys. Plus the level of competition Marciano fought couldn't carry the jock straps of Tyson's weakest opponents.
renegado454 1 year ago