grow a pair. Real men don't cry to unions, real men get the job done, and the only real man relevant here appears to be Margaret Thatcher.
Accept the fact that you were all useless, yes some worked hard but unfortunately you didn't make profit and I personally find it hilarious that you are ignorant enough to protest for higher wages when you made this country losses and burdened the working class tax payers, who pay tax for useful things not you pathetic time wasters.
@ForeverComplaining Ha tory scum-remind me-in yer 2nd paragraph are you talking about Unions or Fat Bankers! Rhetorical question btw,now f-ck off faggot boot-lick & die!
@stev1963hit You are nothing but northern scum, you're just white working class trash who probably wouldn't even work in a mine if they were open to today and you probably will breed more underclass children, which us workers will have to pay for with our hard earned cash and you'll waste all the money on pubs.
It's no wonder not one of you can type a decent sentence, however It's good to see you invested in the internet you did something the tory way.
...bit harsh... does kinda have an underlying point. If somethings losing money, probably not the best idea to keep it open - if it didn't happen then it would have eventually. My dad was there at the time, we had to move etc but have done alright since. just sad how hard it was for family and friends at the time..
@matthewjduckett With perhaps the exception of British Telecom who has benefited from privatization? Water, electricity, rail, gas - the services are all worse, the prices are higher and tens of thousands of workers got laid off. This is why you now have to read your extortionate electricity bill to a computerized voice on an answering machine. And do you pay any less tax for these privations? The only people who did well out of privatization were the majority shareholders.
@32peartree labour backed privatisation themselves & PFI schemes which have resulted in involved public services prioritising payments of interst-lining pockets moreso-and not focusing on public needs.Increases in energy bills are also down to dwindling fuel supplies in the west-increasing costs due import.Taxation would be lower without unnessacary public spending schemes- many spring to mind.profitable companies create tax revenues to afford services.Tories arnt just to blame
@32peartree - sorry for the simple sentences. word count on this thing just isnt quite long enough. I respect what you're saying, but I think its just a bit of a narrow minded approach
@32peartree - also,before somebody says it.Yes fuel prices are now begining to rise because of imports & increased demand from the emerging economies of the east etc-we would have seen this rise much quicker if the government had continued to subsidise the pits.Due to the UK's involvement in agreements to reduce carbon emmisions etc-and due to rising costs of coal anyway-the movement was to gas-which at the time,was cheaper & more efficient.Nothing to do with hate of w.class
@matthewjduckett We pissed away north sea gas on power stations that should have been burning coal - if gas had been kept for domestic use it would have lasted another 30 years. New Labour are no longer a left of centre party - PFI is a joke. Are you personally paying less tax than in the 1980s? The trillion dollar bail out of the banks could have subsidized coal for the next thousand years - the Square Mile now that's what I call an unnecessary public spending scheme.
@32peartree well at current, probably not - but i just dont think the blame should be aimed solely at Maggie - a lot of what she did benifited the broader economy for the better. The bail out of the banks is nothing in comparision to the national debt which has accumulated over the last 15 years.And although the sqaure mile may not directly improve employability of the northern regions or vast majority - its tax revenues have benifited the UK in the grand scheme of things
@32peartree the banks are just one part a big picture-fair about gas/coal reserves -but the overseas markets were outpricing the UK-although they were providing employment,they were inefficient in comparison.The decline had started before the 1980's-it was more timing than her seperating out w.class. Unions held political power-e,gwinter of discontent - although i may not be paying much different,I could well have been paying a lot more today if it wasnt for the tax reforms
@matthewjduckett Moreover neo liberal policies implemented by Thatcher, Major, Blair Brown and now Cameron are in effect "vulgar" libertarianism because they all maintained subsidies on the nuclear power industry - agriculture - privately owned railways - and arms firms. In other words they protect industries when its in their own class interests - but if protectionist policies serve the interests of the working class then they claim this is always a burden on the tax payer.
@matthewjduckett How can an industry that's just been bailed out for a trillion pounds be good for the economy- for every pound the financial sector brought in we've just laid out an £2OO in debt.But no- it's the mining industry that was an overweening burden on the economy - rubbish- this has nothing to do with economics but class war.The billion pound subsidy kept people in useful employment- crime rates low - energy bills cheaper for the average consumer - and the UK self reliant in energy
@32peartree I cant really be bothered to contintue.Not because you're right - just because you seem to have your mind set and it will not be swayed regardless. On 4OD.com there's a documentary called Britains Trillion pound horror story - it's good and explains a lot about the UK enconomy.Nothing to do with classes whatever people like to think.If a buiness loses money-it closes.Crime rates can not be so simply explained.Banks were irrisponsible - but if they fail, we all lose out
@matthewjduckett Why should people without money in the bank subsidize people with money in the bank - of course nobody ever raises that question - once more a case of Vulgar libertarianism. And why should the tax payer pay for wars in Iraq, Afganistam and Libya for the big oil and gas companies to profit. In other words socialism for the rich - capitalism for the poor.
i completely agree with you re. neo-liberal policies and with regards to the war.but I don't agree with sggestion that its a class war/hatred.Sorry,but I don't.Imparticular issues may hit some parts of the working classes-but then every part of society is effected by different issues.Banks were stupid but if one was to collapse, we would see a much larger recession-and many more losses than in 84/85.My family re-located three times to find new prospects,it paid off in the end
@matthewjduckett I've seen first hand how the run down of the mining industry impacted on the lives of millions of working class people - but such people are second class citizens.Unlike middleclass people with high interest bank accounts they don't matter. This is nothing new - its been going on for centuries.
@ForeverComplaining Fail.Can I remind you that 84 was not about wages,period.it was about producing viable deep mined coal here in the UK,and sustaining jobs and communities,and the whole economic knock on.Every sensible nation subsidises its heavy industry,coal,steel,just as we did-it makes sense.What greater loss than the fortune Thatcher and her cronies spent purely to break the NUM and the strike,not economic reasoning,just spite and vitriol in energy policy and politics.Care to comment?.
@MrBulldogtools These communities were, are and always will be purely useless.
Their coal made no profit as they were useless workers who were too greedy for their own good. They were paid too much money, when compared to china and Poland, which meant that to make profit the coal would have to sale significantly higher than it did in Poland and China. It made no profit, but losses and such a tax burden should not be placed on the UK's hard workers to fund false jobs.
@ForeverComplaining And how in the name of sanity can you draw such a conclusion that such communities where "purely useless"?.How plebian a statement,coal communities produced sportsmen,leading figuires in public life and politics,men of erudition and considerable integrity and education,not to mention produced a product which built an empire and fuelled it,industry and an industrial revolution which put us at the forefront of a developing world.You need history lessons seriously.
@MrBulldogtools You're probably the last person to buy fair trade products, and it's most likely because you don't want to pay so much money. Just like with our coal mining, why should we pay significantly higher for coal, thus burdening our workers with high sums of tax and cuts in other services, when we could pay less and tax people less?
@ForeverComplaining We still use significant amounts of coal,we where able to get and use coal cleanly,efficiently and all the rest of it.Maggie squashed this,our mines where run to strict safety conditions and principles,the mines and quarries act.We now obtain our coal abroad where safety takes second place,mined by people in shorts and flip flops,where are your egalitarian principles here?.We place our energy needs in the hands of others at our peril.Look at the big successful economies which
@ForeverComplaining Subsidise their coal and heavy industries,and why they do so.and as I keep trying to get across the issue of pit closures was not based in any way on economics,it was purely an act of revenge by a Tory government on those it thought had gotten to big for themselves,the Tories hate working people,organised working people who can stand up for themselves more so.I,d rather stuff was made and won by people who are not sweated labour,but paid fairly and not ground for their work.
@MrBulldogtools The mines also created lots of skilled workers like engineers, fitters, electricians and welders - who went on to work in other industries.The end of Britain's industrial base as created a serious skill shortage.
@32peartree Yes they did,and lots of other industries benefited here,as did companies abroad who actively sought out theses guys for their own more forward thinking energy needs.Australia and New Zealand for a start,who don,t have shitty Tory,selfish,con artist administrations to butcher everything,demoralise and debase the working man and woman.We now pay for our lack of industry and manufacturing/production prowess today.
@ForeverComplaining An embarrassingly uninformed, stupid, and ignorant comment. Are you suggesting that the exploited and abused mining communities of the 1980's, who supported families and formed a then-indispensable part of the UK economy, should have simply gotten on with their misery and poverty at a time when public spending was low, and living costs were increasing?
You clearly know nothing. Drag your knuckles back to the daily mail comments section where you belong.
@rorytogden Exploited and abused? hows about for once we actually think of the majority of society, hard working tax payers, who were being abused and exploited by these unions holding us to randsome and having to pay for useless, unprofitable industries like that of the mining industry where workers were paid too much and gave too little in comparision to other countries like Poland were we could get coal cheaper.
@rorytogden You presume because your comment favours left-wing socialist ideology that it some how is free of ignorance, yet it's full of it.
Rather than caring about the millions of workers who pay tax, you would rather penalize all of them and focus on one tiny minority which I believe consisted of 20,000 people.
Typical fo socialist thinking, pathetic, money consuming and a waste of time.
@ForeverComplaining Real men stand and fight with their comrades and don't become scabs and company men. And by the way I hope you like getting your electricity via Bolivian children and Chinese slave workers - 6000 Chinese mine workers die every year so think about that when you turn on your lights.
@ForeverComplaining But unlike evil globalist free traders like you - I'd rather that electricity was supplied by people with decent working conditions and trade union representation. You are a Victorian scrooge who believes in profiting from slave labour. But you know what - the Chinese miners aren't going to take it forever - and then we'll see how long the lights stay on.And you won't be able to call the Chines miners in to No10 for a chat over beer and sandwiches.They have you by the balls
@ForeverComplaining Does it not occur to you,you twat,that unions are the only way working people have any rights at all in the workplace?,because people had the bollocks to stand up,face ridicule,threats,to help their fellow workers?.You have fuck all grasp of either fact or history,why do persist in showing yourself up for the ignoramus you clearly are?,attention seeker perhaps?.Go tell an ex miner your shit,and I,ll see you in casualty.Folks like you get on my fucking nerves.
@MrBulldogtools Those unions profitted off of men who were working in mines, in backwards conditions. How you can possibly make them out to be the good ones, when they were incredibly powerful institutions, holding tax payers to randsome, institutions which were ran but multi-millionaires, sums up your level of stupidity!
@ForeverComplaining Learn to spell you Tory twat,British mines where technologically advanced places to work,very few miners worked in the pre mechanisation conditions you seem to envisage.Unions did and do a lot of good,not all the time every time,but by and large.And no one was held to ransom for anything you blinkered pillock!
@MrBulldogtools If they cared about workers rights, they would have had those mines shut down and told those miners to work else where as mining is NOT a safe job.
@ForeverComplaining What job in industry is safe you clown??,every one carries measured risk,which monitored,and countermanded by safe systems of work,correct working practices is then lessened to an acceptable degree.Everyone has to work,and earn a living,and many me included,take risks every day,but common sense prevails,and we come home safely at the end of the day.Life is a calculated risk.
@MrBulldogtools So you would rather the majority of British workers, whom are tax payers, many of which who had low incomes, continue paying higher sums of tax just to keep open these unprofitable things which made nothing but losses? when we got the coal else where far cheaper.
You are stupid, you know nothing about workers rights, you are justifying taxing the poor higher to give a tiny minority backwards unprofitable employment.
@ForeverComplaining Do some homework instead of ranting your half baked Tory shit here,go read,do some research,and see the facts that coal was viable.We now go abroad for our energy needs-coal being one,we still use it! And I,m stupid? I know more about work and workers rights than you ever will,I,ve forgotten more in fact you tool.Work gives wages,products sell,people pay-you can only tax profit,not deficit.Ignorance to you must indeed be bliss.
@MrBulldogtools I'll love to see the look on the faces of these smug Tory pricks when the Chinese mine workers go on strike. Its only a matter of time - because the Chinese miners are paid peanuts and lose six thousand men a year. Moreover, when it kicks off - the PM won't be able to invite the Chinese equivalent of Arthur Scargill into No 10 for a nice cozy chat over beer and sandwiches. They'll rue the day they relied on other countries for our energy supplies - total madness.
I wasn't a miner but I got involved, not in picketing before any stupid tory starts whining, but in collections and support and met a lot of bloody good men and women from over in South Wales who were any one of them worth a thousand Tories. The spirit survived the beatings, the poverty and the jailings.
Both my grandfathers fought in world wars.One who fought in WW1 and one in WW2! My paternal grandfather died when I was 10 of lung disease - gassed on the Somme at 17, lying about his age. I asked my Dad how he managed to work down a coal mine for 40 years after - His mates looked after him my dad said! Enemy within!!! I will kill someone in any position who advocates a state funeral for Thatcher - be warned GHQ!
@Briantheminer1 Cheers bruv & thanks for everything you boys did,seems 'thier' economic doctrine might be dying-cant wait for it and 'her' to be history!
Surely you have got way to far when you turn the British Police against their own people... How did that woman stay in power for so long!! She used our Police Service for her own personal goals in my opinion!!
Conservatives showing their true colours!! Same with the new Government.. all out for themselves! Rich kids playing at running the country! But still none as Vindictive or Evil as Thatcher was...
I was the first generation on both sides of my parents' families not to work down the pit. As a seven year old at the time I remember the strike pretty well. My dad got hit by a southern copper while picketing, me mam had to beg the bank to freeze the mortgage payments and we had to go looking for firewood to keep warm over the winter.
I'm doing well in my white collar London desk job but I watch this video often and every time I do I get a lump in my throat. So proud. Thanks stev1963hit.
@prblogger@prblogger - imagine if 1985 ended as a rerun of the minersvTories in 1974. So many communities would've been spared of mass unemployment and privation; unions'd have been better positioned to break into new, 'white collar' working class; and Cameron'd be more reluctant to do us over so comprehensively this time. Nevertheless, you family and community's fight against the Tories was completely necessary. You can take great pride in your fine working class lineage prblogger. Respekt.
@prblogger ..glad you doin well matey ..never forget the misery caused to all those people thru those dark days..unfortunately we are heading there again but this time the consequences are going to be far more reaching.the sad thing being that the communities are still suffering to this day.How tragic to see once proud men without employment and the pride of having a wage packet taken from them ..these are the true ghosts that lurk in the remnants of once proud mining communities.
the decline of manufacturing in this country is mirrored by a similar decline in our great seaside resorts as the Great British Workers decided to spend their money in 't Benidorm, not 't Blackpool. Let him without sin....
@MrJanesaddiction . I know exactly the kind of people you mean, there are a couple of them in the office where I work. Smug bastards, they read the fucking Daily Express, in my opinion easily the worst of all the UK national daily newspapers, feeding their nasty prejudice and ignorance
Thatcher's government was the most evil in western europe since Hitler. All the problems we have in this country today are down to her. Not long now you evil old bag. Message to Satan - get the fires well stoked up, one of your own will soon be on her way downwards to join you....
CLOSED PITS MEANS CLEANER AIR,MINERS NEED TO THINK MORE OF NATURE AND CONSERVATION,AND NOT BE STUCK IN THE PAST AND THEIR FUCKIN COMFORT ZONES, AND IM NOT A TORY.
I live in the US. My Grandad worked in Darfield Main colliery until he was made redundant in 1982. At 13, I was sending my aunt in Wombwell as much money as I could to support the striking miners in any way possible. Living in the US, I can tell you that people here have no idea about Margaret Thatcher. Closing the mines ruined people's lives, and it ruined a whole generation - a lot of them being raised on the dole.
@Azog150 Learn how to speak to somebody properly you uneducated, obnoxious dog. I'm perfectly capable of spelling correctly, but being human I'm equally capable of a typographical error.
Go bark at somebody else you pathetic keyboard warrior.
@theMadMarxist i think he was. Thatcher, although i cant say i like her, was only going to close some pits to make the industry more economical. Scargill took the whole of the miners out on strike meaning that the industry was not working, or producing, at capacity for a long time. They all began too lose money and had to close. I think that had he not taken all the miners out on strike then there would be many more pits open today....after all there is still plenty of coal down them. my opinion
@pyro999maniac there would have been a victory for the n,u,m if the n a c o d s would'nt have been so gullible and listened to thatcher and mc gregor,
once "produced" in unproductive service industries....or pay them unemployment benifit . The launching of thr brand new Queen Elizabeth is a typical example,,,made in Italy... why not on the Tyne, Clyde or in Belfast... employing thousands Coal is in as much demand throughout the world as ever, and with modern technology can be a source of clean enegy for hundreds of years to come....employing thousands, The Tory party , with the Unions smashed, are now free to attack thier next target....YOU
It's such a shame the UK has lost a huge amount of industry over the years. I wonder what the job scene will be like in thirty years. Unemployment is rife now.
@1100HondaCB Never mind 30 years ,give it 10. We are now living in a lottery , with billions being gambled in the City every day .When there is a win then a few will smile as they line thier pockets , when there is a loss...millions will edge nearer to the poverty line . As said below, the solid manafacturing base of this country has been destroyed . We now import many of the natural resources that still lay in abundace beneath our feet {abeit at a temporary lower price} and employ those who
@MrJanesaddiction But we are only building 2 new coal power stations and closing something like 6 so there really isn't any need to start mining expensive coal that the power companies won't buy when they can get the same product cheaper. I take it you don't ever buy foreign food then, all hour’s is UK produce which costs more? We have plenty of farmland in the UK and were self sustaining during the war!! What you are saying is we should stop all exports and imports.
@MrJanesaddiction Look at my other comments, by 2015 there will only be 11 coal power stations in the UK, you're flogging a dead horse pal, we don't need coal for much longer. Gas seems to be the most popular which is suprising. What is needed is more north sea oil to be found forget about coal, its a fossil!
@MrJanesaddiction Open cast mines are cheaper and require a smaller workforce as they are more productive. Coal isn't used nowhere near as much, few houses rely on coal fires anymore and thanks to wind, hydro and nuclear power we shouldn’t need the coal power stations for much longer. I would rather pay less for my energy than go back 50 years being held to ransom by a militant workforce that wanted far more than they deserved.
@MrJanesaddiction UK coal mining was never efficent compared to places such as Germany. Open pit mining is best but the UK is too small and over populated for it. The coals not gone anywhere its still there if needed but the world has moved on its a bit like saying we should still be building steam engines!
With Mr Cameron's horrible budget we might see the British working class hit back again. At least, I hope we haven't become so dulled that we just don't care any more.
@anessenator ...We must not stand back and let them crap all over people again...they are intent on doing just that and those affected must stand up fight this together.
@theblob34 margaret thatcher dragged this country out of the gutters- she saved us from bankrupcy! Read some facts and use ur brain, look at what britain was like at that time, people dnt know how close this country was to ruin and she saved its arse!
Thatcher the worst thing to be ever prime minister . poll tax miners strike school milk sold just about every thing this country used to own. That cow turned man againts man and police now will be rememberd for what they did .
Stuff the NUM - what is the point of a coal industry if the layabout miners keep going on stike - sod the lot of them. Oh have you ever seen the Not The Nine O`Clock News sketch on the Arthur Scargill Piano Suit - Ten people playing one piano - one finger each - yep that just about sums up socialist ecomonics - okay lets see if I can beat my record of 23 minus scores - ps do you spend money at PLCs and therefore support capatalism
What that so many people were sick and tired of striking unions stopping people going to work and buggering up the economy - no I havent got a clue have I.
so its alright for miners to constantly go on strike then is it - and waste huge subsides - oh I take it you support the miners buy making sure all your electricity is from NUM coal.
How can one person destroy so many jobs. I think you`ll find that over 100000+ militant trade unions destroy jobs with their stupid demands - hey give me £1000 a week and I`ll do the work of someone in China on ten bags of rice a week.
£1,000 a week dont make me laugh...I think you need to investigate the facts before you make a fool of yourself all over this board and check your grammar, dont you have spell check?.
I take it the Dockers, Car Workers, Steel Workers, Ship Builders...my god you'll be saying the postmen (who are fighting for jobs and a fair working week) are all militants as well.
SHE instigated the fight to break the unions by installing Macgregor as chairman; she knew what she was doing. After 1974 the coal board went back on their agreements with the unions by closing the pits. And as for the enemy within....we come from coal mining communities and fought for our country, the War Memorials will testify to that. Didnt come across many Thatchers taking up arms during her reign. She has blood on her hands, and I guarantee she wont be losing sleep over that.
I have relatives who fought and died in WW1, WW2 and the Falklands......and she has a cheek to call me the enemy!!
As I said it will be well celebrated the length and breadth of this country when she goes..............Maggies Legacy No Industrial backbone in bankrupt Britain!
@jimbhoy1888 my father myself and two brothers were on strike and we all know now how very right we all were both then and now what have the youth of today got no wonder we have so many problems in our society .When Thatcher dies I will have avery big whisky she single handedly ruined our infrastructure
scargill told the truth for the working man. this country is run by sausage jockies and as for thatcher she wants to rot in hell bring back the old times ???
I'd left the pit in 82 but I was in Goldthorpe during the strike one lunch time just buying a sandwich. The police in force and full riot gear ran right through the town, chasing and confronting no one. It was highly intimidating - typical of the tactics being deployed at the time. In one fell swoop Thatcher was systematically destroying many decades of trust and appreciation that had been built between communities and their bobbies on the beat. Now try and name your local copper?
my god,those days,lets not forget them,and when thatcher dies,we will have to have a party,i was just out of school in wakefield then 16,watching this could have been yesterday,god bless our miners.
Miners - Hold your heads up proudly. Thatchers boy WAS involved in the attempted coup and other dodgy arms dealings in the 80's. The old lady's not looking too healthy these days.Tramp down the dirt !
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your hammer and sycle at the start says it all really. I bet your a middle class southerner. I live in the north east, and the person who did more to shut the mines tnan anyone else because of his stupidity was Scargill. He is a class A cunt, he didnt go without pay during the strike. He was doing Russias bidding at the time, he didnt give a fuck about the working class, I hate him and his ilk!!!!
@flamingooaisis you stupid shit!! Arthur doing the Russians bidding? Gorbachev was in bed with maggot!! Tell you what you piece of excrement go up to Arthur and tell him that you cowardly bastard the hammer and sickle should go right up your ass!
@flamingooaisis Scargill may have let down the miners but that doesn't mean they weren't right to strike or that they couldn't have possibly won. The revisionists would like us to think that the outcome was inevitable but that's not true.
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The British coal industry was destroyed by greedy miners and their moronic unions. (When it's cheaper to import from abroard it makes economic sense). Don't blame one of the greatest P.M's of our times for your own greed. Maggie made some bad mistakes (selling off council houses, mass privatisation) but beating self serving, economy destructive unions was a great acheivement. sorry for any spelling mistakes - I'm drunk!
The fact that you accuse the miners of greed shows you know nothing about the strike. The miners weren't striking for pay, they were striking not only to keep their jobs in existence, but also their communities that had been built up over centuries of mining. & don't buy into the propaganda of imported coal substitute (inferior quality). The strike was engineered by Thatcher & her Nazi pals as revenge for the miners victory over the Tories in the 70s when they lost their cushy Westminster posts.
It was absolutely correct to close unprofitable pits but they weren't ALL unprofitable, & your grandad, much as hes entitled to his opinion hasnt taken into account the associated industries & community jobs that the pitsupported. Unless it is more profitable to create mass unemployment & pay millions of people dole money out of the public purse.
As far as being left wing, I'm an independant councillor who voted UKIP in the last election, Euro Skeptic, our politics may be closer than u think
You are right in certain ways but the problem was national debt then.
Even though I am a Tory myself I have to admit Thatcherites see the country as a bank balance sheet and they have the view that people should go though hard times if it is needed.
As for myself being a National-Conservative I have a view that if your going to create vast unemployment you need to offer more education alternatives.
Cameron is doing exactly that with a focus on FE rather than HE.
What is it you don't understand. Look at the present postal strike. It's the same again - a refusal to compromise, update or accept that technology moves on. (Where once 40 men were required now 20 can do the same job- with the aid of mechanisation). I can't put it any more simply. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND?
I would agree to a certain extent if the Tory pit closure plan included only uneconomical pits but as time has proved, it was an act of petty revenge for the miners victory in the 70's, to destroy the whole industry & mining communities.
Profitable pits were also closed & now we are dependant on foreign countries for coal, which is still being used in large quantities
If coal was a thing of the past as the Tories claimed, why does coal mining still continue throughout the rest of the world?
Understand this! go back to your middle class life and back to the office. If it was your job on the line what would you do bow down to your bosses on there bonuses? why do the people in charge never get laid off?
This was all planned in advance and the REAL reason was for when gas and electric was privatised they knew wed end up paying more so the Tories did this to max the profits for the shareholders of the energy firms.they did this a few yrs in advance make it look unconnected but believe me it was
Thatcher did not just ruin manufacturing in this country, she helped squander the profits from North Sea Oil in order to crush the working class, and render a new era of low wage high profit.
King Arthur Scargill ..... everyone knows he was not wrong,
Poossum 12345, if im an uneducated buffon, you really need to think of this country, it buys coal from abroad from pits in what employ kids, and also the imported coal is shit quality as it has to be blended with bits of british coal to enable it to burn,,, if you dont believe me then ask anyone who works at a coal fired power station... you know it all poossum12345
Profitable pits were shut,, and who the fuck is the excheqer when the money dosnt come from his own pocket,, the tory government then sold the profitable pits to private mining companies, nationalised pits fucking sold, and was the exchequer handing out money to you poossum12345, the pits were not the governments to sell, so who pocketed that cash then poosum, and what about the recently MPs expenses scam, the exchequer is a cunt who like all of them are in it for themselfes,,
Youve a lot to answer for on judgement day Iron lady Thatcher,,
you fcked this country good and proper, and it still has not recovered,, years of coal reserves left and you shut the fckn pits and bolloxed up good communities,, i hope i see pits open back up before i die...
rot in hell thatcher and all who sucked up to the bitch...
lol lets hope! or see her having to sell hers and her childrens belongings so she can get some cash together to have some sort of x mas for her family, i want her children to watch her share a mars bar with her other half for dinner! i could go on and on.
Now that the mercenary left to rot out in Africa by Mark Thatcher and his chums, has returned, lets see a full inquiry into Mammy's boy's shady involvement in the attempted coup.
and i think that for some of the left who lived through that time seeing margret thatchers head on a pole while being shat on by all verietys of creatures would be a sort of wet dream.
here is my perspective of her matriachal rule over england. thatcher reached into the mouth of prosperity and pulled out an england that seemed to (correct me if im wrong please) all too willingly be devoured by the iron lady and later be shat out as something resembling a rather large TURD.
woah. i only just remembered you put this on steve. the song and the video go together liek peas in a pot. although i do feel a little out of place here.
i mean. i wasnt in the strike. i wasnt a miner. i wasnt alive then. but i am not ignorant of the tyranny that thatcher brought to england.
put everybody on dole now they want you back at work
1killerbilly 2 weeks ago
Mining families were a different breed. Today we lack strong family units, strong males, strong mothers and strong children.
godkingRoss 2 weeks ago
@godkingRoss Correct in every way.
MrBulldogtools 1 week ago
grow a pair. Real men don't cry to unions, real men get the job done, and the only real man relevant here appears to be Margaret Thatcher.
Accept the fact that you were all useless, yes some worked hard but unfortunately you didn't make profit and I personally find it hilarious that you are ignorant enough to protest for higher wages when you made this country losses and burdened the working class tax payers, who pay tax for useful things not you pathetic time wasters.
ForeverComplaining 3 weeks ago
@ForeverComplaining Ha tory scum-remind me-in yer 2nd paragraph are you talking about Unions or Fat Bankers! Rhetorical question btw,now f-ck off faggot boot-lick & die!
stev1963hit 3 weeks ago
@stev1963hit You are nothing but northern scum, you're just white working class trash who probably wouldn't even work in a mine if they were open to today and you probably will breed more underclass children, which us workers will have to pay for with our hard earned cash and you'll waste all the money on pubs.
It's no wonder not one of you can type a decent sentence, however It's good to see you invested in the internet you did something the tory way.
ForeverComplaining 3 weeks ago
...bit harsh... does kinda have an underlying point. If somethings losing money, probably not the best idea to keep it open - if it didn't happen then it would have eventually. My dad was there at the time, we had to move etc but have done alright since. just sad how hard it was for family and friends at the time..
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett With perhaps the exception of British Telecom who has benefited from privatization? Water, electricity, rail, gas - the services are all worse, the prices are higher and tens of thousands of workers got laid off. This is why you now have to read your extortionate electricity bill to a computerized voice on an answering machine. And do you pay any less tax for these privations? The only people who did well out of privatization were the majority shareholders.
32peartree 1 week ago
@32peartree labour backed privatisation themselves & PFI schemes which have resulted in involved public services prioritising payments of interst-lining pockets moreso-and not focusing on public needs.Increases in energy bills are also down to dwindling fuel supplies in the west-increasing costs due import.Taxation would be lower without unnessacary public spending schemes- many spring to mind.profitable companies create tax revenues to afford services.Tories arnt just to blame
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@32peartree - sorry for the simple sentences. word count on this thing just isnt quite long enough. I respect what you're saying, but I think its just a bit of a narrow minded approach
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@32peartree - also,before somebody says it.Yes fuel prices are now begining to rise because of imports & increased demand from the emerging economies of the east etc-we would have seen this rise much quicker if the government had continued to subsidise the pits.Due to the UK's involvement in agreements to reduce carbon emmisions etc-and due to rising costs of coal anyway-the movement was to gas-which at the time,was cheaper & more efficient.Nothing to do with hate of w.class
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett We pissed away north sea gas on power stations that should have been burning coal - if gas had been kept for domestic use it would have lasted another 30 years. New Labour are no longer a left of centre party - PFI is a joke. Are you personally paying less tax than in the 1980s? The trillion dollar bail out of the banks could have subsidized coal for the next thousand years - the Square Mile now that's what I call an unnecessary public spending scheme.
32peartree 1 week ago
@32peartree well at current, probably not - but i just dont think the blame should be aimed solely at Maggie - a lot of what she did benifited the broader economy for the better. The bail out of the banks is nothing in comparision to the national debt which has accumulated over the last 15 years.And although the sqaure mile may not directly improve employability of the northern regions or vast majority - its tax revenues have benifited the UK in the grand scheme of things
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@32peartree the banks are just one part a big picture-fair about gas/coal reserves -but the overseas markets were outpricing the UK-although they were providing employment,they were inefficient in comparison.The decline had started before the 1980's-it was more timing than her seperating out w.class. Unions held political power-e,gwinter of discontent - although i may not be paying much different,I could well have been paying a lot more today if it wasnt for the tax reforms
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett Moreover neo liberal policies implemented by Thatcher, Major, Blair Brown and now Cameron are in effect "vulgar" libertarianism because they all maintained subsidies on the nuclear power industry - agriculture - privately owned railways - and arms firms. In other words they protect industries when its in their own class interests - but if protectionist policies serve the interests of the working class then they claim this is always a burden on the tax payer.
32peartree 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett How can an industry that's just been bailed out for a trillion pounds be good for the economy- for every pound the financial sector brought in we've just laid out an £2OO in debt.But no- it's the mining industry that was an overweening burden on the economy - rubbish- this has nothing to do with economics but class war.The billion pound subsidy kept people in useful employment- crime rates low - energy bills cheaper for the average consumer - and the UK self reliant in energy
32peartree 1 week ago
@32peartree I cant really be bothered to contintue.Not because you're right - just because you seem to have your mind set and it will not be swayed regardless. On 4OD.com there's a documentary called Britains Trillion pound horror story - it's good and explains a lot about the UK enconomy.Nothing to do with classes whatever people like to think.If a buiness loses money-it closes.Crime rates can not be so simply explained.Banks were irrisponsible - but if they fail, we all lose out
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett Why should people without money in the bank subsidize people with money in the bank - of course nobody ever raises that question - once more a case of Vulgar libertarianism. And why should the tax payer pay for wars in Iraq, Afganistam and Libya for the big oil and gas companies to profit. In other words socialism for the rich - capitalism for the poor.
32peartree 1 week ago
i completely agree with you re. neo-liberal policies and with regards to the war.but I don't agree with sggestion that its a class war/hatred.Sorry,but I don't.Imparticular issues may hit some parts of the working classes-but then every part of society is effected by different issues.Banks were stupid but if one was to collapse, we would see a much larger recession-and many more losses than in 84/85.My family re-located three times to find new prospects,it paid off in the end
matthewjduckett 1 week ago
@matthewjduckett I've seen first hand how the run down of the mining industry impacted on the lives of millions of working class people - but such people are second class citizens.Unlike middleclass people with high interest bank accounts they don't matter. This is nothing new - its been going on for centuries.
32peartree 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining Fail.Can I remind you that 84 was not about wages,period.it was about producing viable deep mined coal here in the UK,and sustaining jobs and communities,and the whole economic knock on.Every sensible nation subsidises its heavy industry,coal,steel,just as we did-it makes sense.What greater loss than the fortune Thatcher and her cronies spent purely to break the NUM and the strike,not economic reasoning,just spite and vitriol in energy policy and politics.Care to comment?.
MrBulldogtools 3 weeks ago
@MrBulldogtools These communities were, are and always will be purely useless.
Their coal made no profit as they were useless workers who were too greedy for their own good. They were paid too much money, when compared to china and Poland, which meant that to make profit the coal would have to sale significantly higher than it did in Poland and China. It made no profit, but losses and such a tax burden should not be placed on the UK's hard workers to fund false jobs.
ForeverComplaining 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining And how in the name of sanity can you draw such a conclusion that such communities where "purely useless"?.How plebian a statement,coal communities produced sportsmen,leading figuires in public life and politics,men of erudition and considerable integrity and education,not to mention produced a product which built an empire and fuelled it,industry and an industrial revolution which put us at the forefront of a developing world.You need history lessons seriously.
MrBulldogtools 1 week ago
@MrBulldogtools You're probably the last person to buy fair trade products, and it's most likely because you don't want to pay so much money. Just like with our coal mining, why should we pay significantly higher for coal, thus burdening our workers with high sums of tax and cuts in other services, when we could pay less and tax people less?
ForeverComplaining 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining We still use significant amounts of coal,we where able to get and use coal cleanly,efficiently and all the rest of it.Maggie squashed this,our mines where run to strict safety conditions and principles,the mines and quarries act.We now obtain our coal abroad where safety takes second place,mined by people in shorts and flip flops,where are your egalitarian principles here?.We place our energy needs in the hands of others at our peril.Look at the big successful economies which
MrBulldogtools 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining Subsidise their coal and heavy industries,and why they do so.and as I keep trying to get across the issue of pit closures was not based in any way on economics,it was purely an act of revenge by a Tory government on those it thought had gotten to big for themselves,the Tories hate working people,organised working people who can stand up for themselves more so.I,d rather stuff was made and won by people who are not sweated labour,but paid fairly and not ground for their work.
MrBulldogtools 1 week ago
@MrBulldogtools The mines also created lots of skilled workers like engineers, fitters, electricians and welders - who went on to work in other industries.The end of Britain's industrial base as created a serious skill shortage.
32peartree 1 week ago
@32peartree Yes they did,and lots of other industries benefited here,as did companies abroad who actively sought out theses guys for their own more forward thinking energy needs.Australia and New Zealand for a start,who don,t have shitty Tory,selfish,con artist administrations to butcher everything,demoralise and debase the working man and woman.We now pay for our lack of industry and manufacturing/production prowess today.
MrBulldogtools 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining. You are just another Brainwashed tory bastard.
shedendboy1 2 weeks ago
@ForeverComplaining An embarrassingly uninformed, stupid, and ignorant comment. Are you suggesting that the exploited and abused mining communities of the 1980's, who supported families and formed a then-indispensable part of the UK economy, should have simply gotten on with their misery and poverty at a time when public spending was low, and living costs were increasing?
You clearly know nothing. Drag your knuckles back to the daily mail comments section where you belong.
rorytogden 1 week ago
@rorytogden Exploited and abused? hows about for once we actually think of the majority of society, hard working tax payers, who were being abused and exploited by these unions holding us to randsome and having to pay for useless, unprofitable industries like that of the mining industry where workers were paid too much and gave too little in comparision to other countries like Poland were we could get coal cheaper.
ForeverComplaining 1 week ago
@rorytogden You presume because your comment favours left-wing socialist ideology that it some how is free of ignorance, yet it's full of it.
Rather than caring about the millions of workers who pay tax, you would rather penalize all of them and focus on one tiny minority which I believe consisted of 20,000 people.
Typical fo socialist thinking, pathetic, money consuming and a waste of time.
ForeverComplaining 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining Real men stand and fight with their comrades and don't become scabs and company men. And by the way I hope you like getting your electricity via Bolivian children and Chinese slave workers - 6000 Chinese mine workers die every year so think about that when you turn on your lights.
32peartree 1 week ago
@32peartree Well you sitting on your laptop isn't helping these 'chinese slave workers - 6000 mine workers die every year'
ForeverComplaining 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining But unlike evil globalist free traders like you - I'd rather that electricity was supplied by people with decent working conditions and trade union representation. You are a Victorian scrooge who believes in profiting from slave labour. But you know what - the Chinese miners aren't going to take it forever - and then we'll see how long the lights stay on.And you won't be able to call the Chines miners in to No10 for a chat over beer and sandwiches.They have you by the balls
32peartree 1 week ago
@ForeverComplaining Does it not occur to you,you twat,that unions are the only way working people have any rights at all in the workplace?,because people had the bollocks to stand up,face ridicule,threats,to help their fellow workers?.You have fuck all grasp of either fact or history,why do persist in showing yourself up for the ignoramus you clearly are?,attention seeker perhaps?.Go tell an ex miner your shit,and I,ll see you in casualty.Folks like you get on my fucking nerves.
MrBulldogtools 3 days ago
@MrBulldogtools Those unions profitted off of men who were working in mines, in backwards conditions. How you can possibly make them out to be the good ones, when they were incredibly powerful institutions, holding tax payers to randsome, institutions which were ran but multi-millionaires, sums up your level of stupidity!
ForeverComplaining 3 days ago
@ForeverComplaining Learn to spell you Tory twat,British mines where technologically advanced places to work,very few miners worked in the pre mechanisation conditions you seem to envisage.Unions did and do a lot of good,not all the time every time,but by and large.And no one was held to ransom for anything you blinkered pillock!
MrBulldogtools 2 days ago
@MrBulldogtools If they cared about workers rights, they would have had those mines shut down and told those miners to work else where as mining is NOT a safe job.
ForeverComplaining 3 days ago
@ForeverComplaining What job in industry is safe you clown??,every one carries measured risk,which monitored,and countermanded by safe systems of work,correct working practices is then lessened to an acceptable degree.Everyone has to work,and earn a living,and many me included,take risks every day,but common sense prevails,and we come home safely at the end of the day.Life is a calculated risk.
MrBulldogtools 2 days ago
@MrBulldogtools So you would rather the majority of British workers, whom are tax payers, many of which who had low incomes, continue paying higher sums of tax just to keep open these unprofitable things which made nothing but losses? when we got the coal else where far cheaper.
You are stupid, you know nothing about workers rights, you are justifying taxing the poor higher to give a tiny minority backwards unprofitable employment.
ForeverComplaining 3 days ago
@ForeverComplaining Do some homework instead of ranting your half baked Tory shit here,go read,do some research,and see the facts that coal was viable.We now go abroad for our energy needs-coal being one,we still use it! And I,m stupid? I know more about work and workers rights than you ever will,I,ve forgotten more in fact you tool.Work gives wages,products sell,people pay-you can only tax profit,not deficit.Ignorance to you must indeed be bliss.
MrBulldogtools 2 days ago
@MrBulldogtools I'll love to see the look on the faces of these smug Tory pricks when the Chinese mine workers go on strike. Its only a matter of time - because the Chinese miners are paid peanuts and lose six thousand men a year. Moreover, when it kicks off - the PM won't be able to invite the Chinese equivalent of Arthur Scargill into No 10 for a nice cozy chat over beer and sandwiches. They'll rue the day they relied on other countries for our energy supplies - total madness.
32peartree 1 hour ago
I wasn't a miner but I got involved, not in picketing before any stupid tory starts whining, but in collections and support and met a lot of bloody good men and women from over in South Wales who were any one of them worth a thousand Tories. The spirit survived the beatings, the poverty and the jailings.
Our day's coming.
MrPercyThrowup 2 months ago 2
Both my grandfathers fought in world wars.One who fought in WW1 and one in WW2! My paternal grandfather died when I was 10 of lung disease - gassed on the Somme at 17, lying about his age. I asked my Dad how he managed to work down a coal mine for 40 years after - His mates looked after him my dad said! Enemy within!!! I will kill someone in any position who advocates a state funeral for Thatcher - be warned GHQ!
Isan011 2 months ago 7
was out till the end and proud. Scargill was Spartacus
chesielad69 2 months ago 5
I was loyal for the 12 months, and wouldn't have missed it for the world. Spot on video, well done.
Briantheminer1 2 months ago 11
@Briantheminer1 Cheers bruv & thanks for everything you boys did,seems 'thier' economic doctrine might be dying-cant wait for it and 'her' to be history!
stev1963hit 2 months ago
can't wait for thatcher to become a ghost, there'll be street parties. I was out on strike for the duration and proud
chesielad69 3 months ago 7
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What a load of "working class" tosh -
You forget that the NUM voted NOT to strike. King Arthur used intimidation and the domino effect to stop each pit.
He was a typical example of Union Luddite mentality. Industry could not modernise in that environment.
I remember hospital porters deciding who was an emergency admission. The unburied dead.
Labour knew they had to curb the excesses of Union custom and practices which were killing industry. Wilson and Callaghan were too gutless to do it.
Geoffthebull 3 months ago
@MrJanesaddiction but maggie didn't believe in the state or society yet she sure as hell used the state to destroy society, hypocrite
petehall1985 4 months ago
Surely you have got way to far when you turn the British Police against their own people... How did that woman stay in power for so long!! She used our Police Service for her own personal goals in my opinion!!
scanners31 6 months ago
@scanners31 thats why they got the huge pay rise , she needed them on her side cause she knew what was coiming .
dave2806 5 months ago
Conservatives showing their true colours!! Same with the new Government.. all out for themselves! Rich kids playing at running the country! But still none as Vindictive or Evil as Thatcher was...
scanners31 6 months ago
Scargill u cunt
TherymasterWidnes 6 months ago
I was the first generation on both sides of my parents' families not to work down the pit. As a seven year old at the time I remember the strike pretty well. My dad got hit by a southern copper while picketing, me mam had to beg the bank to freeze the mortgage payments and we had to go looking for firewood to keep warm over the winter.
I'm doing well in my white collar London desk job but I watch this video often and every time I do I get a lump in my throat. So proud. Thanks stev1963hit.
prblogger 6 months ago 13
@prblogger Thanks bruv & respect to yer Dad,hope they managed to rebuild thier lives(have heard of so many who never really got over it financially).
stev1963hit 6 months ago
@prblogger @prblogger - imagine if 1985 ended as a rerun of the minersvTories in 1974. So many communities would've been spared of mass unemployment and privation; unions'd have been better positioned to break into new, 'white collar' working class; and Cameron'd be more reluctant to do us over so comprehensively this time. Nevertheless, you family and community's fight against the Tories was completely necessary. You can take great pride in your fine working class lineage prblogger. Respekt.
Nicktes 4 months ago 7
@prblogger ..glad you doin well matey ..never forget the misery caused to all those people thru those dark days..unfortunately we are heading there again but this time the consequences are going to be far more reaching.the sad thing being that the communities are still suffering to this day.How tragic to see once proud men without employment and the pride of having a wage packet taken from them ..these are the true ghosts that lurk in the remnants of once proud mining communities.
agaichapter25 2 months ago 7
the decline of manufacturing in this country is mirrored by a similar decline in our great seaside resorts as the Great British Workers decided to spend their money in 't Benidorm, not 't Blackpool. Let him without sin....
barnbersonol 7 months ago
@MrJanesaddiction . I know exactly the kind of people you mean, there are a couple of them in the office where I work. Smug bastards, they read the fucking Daily Express, in my opinion easily the worst of all the UK national daily newspapers, feeding their nasty prejudice and ignorance
mrangry1960 7 months ago
Thatcher's government was the most evil in western europe since Hitler. All the problems we have in this country today are down to her. Not long now you evil old bag. Message to Satan - get the fires well stoked up, one of your own will soon be on her way downwards to join you....
mrangry1960 8 months ago 3
CLOSED PITS MEANS CLEANER AIR,MINERS NEED TO THINK MORE OF NATURE AND CONSERVATION,AND NOT BE STUCK IN THE PAST AND THEIR FUCKIN COMFORT ZONES, AND IM NOT A TORY.
swizerland100 8 months ago
@swizerland100 go and sit in your tree house nob head,
blowlamp666 5 months ago
@swizerland100
KISS MY ARSE,U JUST CARRY ON BEING SMALL MINDED AND THICK,CHILDISH BASTARD MINERS CALLING OTHERS SCABS,FUCKIN PRICKS,THIS SONG IS SO FUCKIN SHIT BTW.
swizerland100 4 months ago
I live in the US. My Grandad worked in Darfield Main colliery until he was made redundant in 1982. At 13, I was sending my aunt in Wombwell as much money as I could to support the striking miners in any way possible. Living in the US, I can tell you that people here have no idea about Margaret Thatcher. Closing the mines ruined people's lives, and it ruined a whole generation - a lot of them being raised on the dole.
MrDasher01 8 months ago 2
there is a special place waiting in hell for the cold heartless bitch , burn for ever you slag !
dave2806 11 months ago
Fuck Thatcher - Easington Colliery !!
DaveyS1991 11 months ago
I hope Thatcher is buried at see. I wanna see some lefties drown as they try to dance on her grave :D
Wikkiter 1 year ago
@Wikkiter
Learn how to fucking spell you moron. Its 'sea'.
Azog150 1 year ago
@Azog150 Learn how to speak to somebody properly you uneducated, obnoxious dog. I'm perfectly capable of spelling correctly, but being human I'm equally capable of a typographical error.
Go bark at somebody else you pathetic keyboard warrior.
Wikkiter 1 year ago
@Wikkiter
Coming from the guy who just wished a load of 'lefties' would 'drown'?
And before you say anything, I am no 'leftie'.
Azog150 1 year ago
@Azog150
yes, coming from the very same person. Leftie or not, you can join them!
Wikkiter 1 year ago
Scargill is the reason for the pit closures
pyro999maniac 1 year ago
@pyro999maniac
Scargill was not the reason for the pit closures...
theMadMarxist 1 year ago
@theMadMarxist i think he was. Thatcher, although i cant say i like her, was only going to close some pits to make the industry more economical. Scargill took the whole of the miners out on strike meaning that the industry was not working, or producing, at capacity for a long time. They all began too lose money and had to close. I think that had he not taken all the miners out on strike then there would be many more pits open today....after all there is still plenty of coal down them. my opinion
pyro999maniac 1 year ago
@pyro999maniac How can you say that.....we fought against pit closures......we lost....they closed the pits
alunhughes147 1 year ago
@pyro999maniac there would have been a victory for the n,u,m if the n a c o d s would'nt have been so gullible and listened to thatcher and mc gregor,
blowlamp666 5 months ago
once "produced" in unproductive service industries....or pay them unemployment benifit . The launching of thr brand new Queen Elizabeth is a typical example,,,made in Italy... why not on the Tyne, Clyde or in Belfast... employing thousands Coal is in as much demand throughout the world as ever, and with modern technology can be a source of clean enegy for hundreds of years to come....employing thousands, The Tory party , with the Unions smashed, are now free to attack thier next target....YOU
alunhughes147 1 year ago
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agaichapter25 1 year ago
It's such a shame the UK has lost a huge amount of industry over the years. I wonder what the job scene will be like in thirty years. Unemployment is rife now.
1100HondaCB 1 year ago
@1100HondaCB Never mind 30 years ,give it 10. We are now living in a lottery , with billions being gambled in the City every day .When there is a win then a few will smile as they line thier pockets , when there is a loss...millions will edge nearer to the poverty line . As said below, the solid manafacturing base of this country has been destroyed . We now import many of the natural resources that still lay in abundace beneath our feet {abeit at a temporary lower price} and employ those who
alunhughes147 1 year ago
@MrJanesaddiction But we are only building 2 new coal power stations and closing something like 6 so there really isn't any need to start mining expensive coal that the power companies won't buy when they can get the same product cheaper. I take it you don't ever buy foreign food then, all hour’s is UK produce which costs more? We have plenty of farmland in the UK and were self sustaining during the war!! What you are saying is we should stop all exports and imports.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@MrJanesaddiction Look at my other comments, by 2015 there will only be 11 coal power stations in the UK, you're flogging a dead horse pal, we don't need coal for much longer. Gas seems to be the most popular which is suprising. What is needed is more north sea oil to be found forget about coal, its a fossil!
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@MrJanesaddiction Open cast mines are cheaper and require a smaller workforce as they are more productive. Coal isn't used nowhere near as much, few houses rely on coal fires anymore and thanks to wind, hydro and nuclear power we shouldn’t need the coal power stations for much longer. I would rather pay less for my energy than go back 50 years being held to ransom by a militant workforce that wanted far more than they deserved.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@MrJanesaddiction UK coal mining was never efficent compared to places such as Germany. Open pit mining is best but the UK is too small and over populated for it. The coals not gone anywhere its still there if needed but the world has moved on its a bit like saying we should still be building steam engines!
pimpUK1 1 year ago
This brought a tear to my eye...
With Mr Cameron's horrible budget we might see the British working class hit back again. At least, I hope we haven't become so dulled that we just don't care any more.
anessenator 1 year ago
@anessenator ...We must not stand back and let them crap all over people again...they are intent on doing just that and those affected must stand up fight this together.
agaichapter25 1 year ago
That made me cry‚ So strong are the emotions, 26 years on still mining‚ and now our numbers are well below 2000 how sad is that!
thebrumster 1 year ago
Capitalism is the organised robbery of the working class
arzoyan 1 year ago
thattcher was evil and her facist police are violent pigs
theblob34 1 year ago
@theblob34 margaret thatcher dragged this country out of the gutters- she saved us from bankrupcy! Read some facts and use ur brain, look at what britain was like at that time, people dnt know how close this country was to ruin and she saved its arse!
45ky 1 year ago
Thatcher the worst thing to be ever prime minister . poll tax miners strike school milk sold just about every thing this country used to own. That cow turned man againts man and police now will be rememberd for what they did .
escortmk112 1 year ago
"deathtotheunions"I just gave you a PLUS thats fucked your minus 23.
tony13a 1 year ago
he wants a boot in,t face,along with his minus 23,+1 =24
wiganjoe 1 year ago
Fascist.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
what the fuck are you on about you prick,fascist??? moron
wiganjoe 1 year ago
Long Live Durham Miners Gala - 125 years of solidarity and still going strong.
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago 2
Stuff the NUM - what is the point of a coal industry if the layabout miners keep going on stike - sod the lot of them. Oh have you ever seen the Not The Nine O`Clock News sketch on the Arthur Scargill Piano Suit - Ten people playing one piano - one finger each - yep that just about sums up socialist ecomonics - okay lets see if I can beat my record of 23 minus scores - ps do you spend money at PLCs and therefore support capatalism
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
You haven't got a clue have you?
gilesosborne2 1 year ago 2
What that so many people were sick and tired of striking unions stopping people going to work and buggering up the economy - no I havent got a clue have I.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
Good comment, watch the B.A. crews stuff themselves out of work over the next few months. (It's no longer the 70's thankfully).
varflane 1 year ago 2
stop talking like a twat,just because you probably look like one,check the history of miners contribution to the UK.
wiganjoe 1 year ago
so its alright for miners to constantly go on strike then is it - and waste huge subsides - oh I take it you support the miners buy making sure all your electricity is from NUM coal.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
what do you mean "keep going on strike" ?
wiganjoe 1 year ago
check out (john mccullagh "ill dance on your grave mrs thatcher".....on youtube or myspace,well worth a listen
LARRSON77 2 years ago
Cheers dude,loved it!
stev1963hit 2 years ago
i can,t wait, ding dong the witch is dead,get out of bed,etc
wiganjoe 2 years ago 2
N U M . UNITY IS STRENGTH !!
echogonewrong 2 years ago 2
NUM destroy jobs - fact.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
Maggie destroyed all our Industries, all our exports, all our community spirit, Bye Bye Maggie.....cannae wait.
jimbhoy1888 1 year ago 3
How can one person destroy so many jobs. I think you`ll find that over 100000+ militant trade unions destroy jobs with their stupid demands - hey give me £1000 a week and I`ll do the work of someone in China on ten bags of rice a week.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
£1,000 a week dont make me laugh...I think you need to investigate the facts before you make a fool of yourself all over this board and check your grammar, dont you have spell check?.
I take it the Dockers, Car Workers, Steel Workers, Ship Builders...my god you'll be saying the postmen (who are fighting for jobs and a fair working week) are all militants as well.
jimbhoy1888 1 year ago 2
SHE instigated the fight to break the unions by installing Macgregor as chairman; she knew what she was doing. After 1974 the coal board went back on their agreements with the unions by closing the pits. And as for the enemy within....we come from coal mining communities and fought for our country, the War Memorials will testify to that. Didnt come across many Thatchers taking up arms during her reign. She has blood on her hands, and I guarantee she wont be losing sleep over that.
jimbhoy1888 1 year ago
I have relatives who fought and died in WW1, WW2 and the Falklands......and she has a cheek to call me the enemy!!
As I said it will be well celebrated the length and breadth of this country when she goes..............Maggies Legacy No Industrial backbone in bankrupt Britain!
jimbhoy1888 1 year ago 16
@jimbhoy1888 my father myself and two brothers were on strike and we all know now how very right we all were both then and now what have the youth of today got no wonder we have so many problems in our society .When Thatcher dies I will have avery big whisky she single handedly ruined our infrastructure
nogarange 1 year ago
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scargill told the truth for the working man. this country is run by sausage jockies and as for thatcher she wants to rot in hell bring back the old times ???
MrMerv64 2 years ago
I'd left the pit in 82 but I was in Goldthorpe during the strike one lunch time just buying a sandwich. The police in force and full riot gear ran right through the town, chasing and confronting no one. It was highly intimidating - typical of the tactics being deployed at the time. In one fell swoop Thatcher was systematically destroying many decades of trust and appreciation that had been built between communities and their bobbies on the beat. Now try and name your local copper?
mikris50 2 years ago 13
my god,those days,lets not forget them,and when thatcher dies,we will have to have a party,i was just out of school in wakefield then 16,watching this could have been yesterday,god bless our miners.
oorgary 2 years ago 3
yes thatcher does not look so cocky now,probably because her son,s activities will come back to haunt,,
N.U.M. long memory,
wiganjoe 2 years ago 2
Scargill took on Maggie and was crushed. It was his vanity and pigheadedness that led the miners to total capitulation.
SantaSunday 2 years ago
eat me shmuck!
vivascargill 2 years ago
do you actual spend any money at PLCs or does it all go to workers co-operatives ?? - yea as if.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
Spot On.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
Miners - Hold your heads up proudly. Thatchers boy WAS involved in the attempted coup and other dodgy arms dealings in the 80's. The old lady's not looking too healthy these days.Tramp down the dirt !
scouselid1 2 years ago 4
death to the war criminal thatcher
benaborkowski 2 years ago 4
she will rot in hell!
vivascargill 2 years ago 2
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your hammer and sycle at the start says it all really. I bet your a middle class southerner. I live in the north east, and the person who did more to shut the mines tnan anyone else because of his stupidity was Scargill. He is a class A cunt, he didnt go without pay during the strike. He was doing Russias bidding at the time, he didnt give a fuck about the working class, I hate him and his ilk!!!!
flamingooaisis 2 years ago
Great rant-reminds me of some of those hilarious Downfall Parodies!
stev1963hit 2 years ago
Scargill destroyed jobs with his militant atitude - I see it all the time were I live (30 minutes from Orgreave).
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
@flamingooaisis you stupid shit!! Arthur doing the Russians bidding? Gorbachev was in bed with maggot!! Tell you what you piece of excrement go up to Arthur and tell him that you cowardly bastard the hammer and sickle should go right up your ass!
vivascargill 1 year ago
@flamingooaisis Scargill may have let down the miners but that doesn't mean they weren't right to strike or that they couldn't have possibly won. The revisionists would like us to think that the outcome was inevitable but that's not true.
Schniddo 1 year ago
maggies boys in blue...
Dailate59 2 years ago 2
VARFLANE-WANKER
CasFan76 2 years ago
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Thank you, a typical northern retard comment.
varflane 2 years ago
long live scargill. 84-85 will live on 4 ever in our working class hearts. coal dust still runs through my veins.
roblufc60 2 years ago 2
you go on stike for ten months then lose your jobs - yea brilliant
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
nicolas ridley, check the ridley report,after 1974, an onslaughet was prepared, it happened
wiganjoe 2 years ago
why bother with a coal industry when the miners keep going on strike or is it wrong for the Tories to fight back.
deathtotheunions 1 year ago
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The British coal industry was destroyed by greedy miners and their moronic unions. (When it's cheaper to import from abroard it makes economic sense). Don't blame one of the greatest P.M's of our times for your own greed. Maggie made some bad mistakes (selling off council houses, mass privatisation) but beating self serving, economy destructive unions was a great acheivement. sorry for any spelling mistakes - I'm drunk!
varflane 2 years ago
The fact that you accuse the miners of greed shows you know nothing about the strike. The miners weren't striking for pay, they were striking not only to keep their jobs in existence, but also their communities that had been built up over centuries of mining. & don't buy into the propaganda of imported coal substitute (inferior quality). The strike was engineered by Thatcher & her Nazi pals as revenge for the miners victory over the Tories in the 70s when they lost their cushy Westminster posts.
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago 17
@steelbanktrucker
I'm lucky my grandfather told me the truth about the miners strikes instead of listening to a left-wing pathetic scapegoat tatic like this.
The mine went out of business because it wasn't ecnomically viable to take
the coal out the ground. It was cheaper to import from abroad.
Thatcher closed them since they where a national-debt. You can't go on borrowing & borrowing money from other countries.
If this is what you believe then you deserved the poverty you went though.
euroskeptic83 1 year ago
It was absolutely correct to close unprofitable pits but they weren't ALL unprofitable, & your grandad, much as hes entitled to his opinion hasnt taken into account the associated industries & community jobs that the pitsupported. Unless it is more profitable to create mass unemployment & pay millions of people dole money out of the public purse.
As far as being left wing, I'm an independant councillor who voted UKIP in the last election, Euro Skeptic, our politics may be closer than u think
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@steelbanktrucker
You are right in certain ways but the problem was national debt then.
Even though I am a Tory myself I have to admit Thatcherites see the country as a bank balance sheet and they have the view that people should go though hard times if it is needed.
As for myself being a National-Conservative I have a view that if your going to create vast unemployment you need to offer more education alternatives.
Cameron is doing exactly that with a focus on FE rather than HE.
euroskeptic83 1 year ago
You sir are a dick.
RashidDostum 2 years ago
What is it you don't understand. Look at the present postal strike. It's the same again - a refusal to compromise, update or accept that technology moves on. (Where once 40 men were required now 20 can do the same job- with the aid of mechanisation). I can't put it any more simply. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND?
varflane 2 years ago
I would agree to a certain extent if the Tory pit closure plan included only uneconomical pits but as time has proved, it was an act of petty revenge for the miners victory in the 70's, to destroy the whole industry & mining communities.
Profitable pits were also closed & now we are dependant on foreign countries for coal, which is still being used in large quantities
If coal was a thing of the past as the Tories claimed, why does coal mining still continue throughout the rest of the world?
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago 2
its partly cheaper their trust me the pits will be reopened when coal prices get hgher
someguy2525 2 years ago
they like to be employed in a time of recession.....
someguy2525 2 years ago
Understand this! go back to your middle class life and back to the office. If it was your job on the line what would you do bow down to your bosses on there bonuses? why do the people in charge never get laid off?
mattds1985 1 year ago 3
You forgot the falklands?
Nayf7 2 years ago
This was all planned in advance and the REAL reason was for when gas and electric was privatised they knew wed end up paying more so the Tories did this to max the profits for the shareholders of the energy firms.they did this a few yrs in advance make it look unconnected but believe me it was
burnleyfan11965 2 years ago 5
Never thought of that. Seems just the sort of devious strategy the thieves would employ.
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago 2
Cheers,
Kensobrill 2 years ago
GOOD VID, DO YOU MIND IF I PUT IT ON MY BLOG?
Thatcher did not just ruin manufacturing in this country, she helped squander the profits from North Sea Oil in order to crush the working class, and render a new era of low wage high profit.
Kensobrill 2 years ago 2
Thanks-no,of course i don't mind-Steve
stev1963hit 2 years ago
King Arthur Scargill ..... everyone knows he was not wrong,
Poossum 12345, if im an uneducated buffon, you really need to think of this country, it buys coal from abroad from pits in what employ kids, and also the imported coal is shit quality as it has to be blended with bits of british coal to enable it to burn,,, if you dont believe me then ask anyone who works at a coal fired power station... you know it all poossum12345
Gillmeister2465 2 years ago 4
I worked in the coke ovens. Totally correct.
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago
LOL - A thumbs down for confirming that shit foreign coal has to be blended with British coal for it to burn properly?
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago
Profitable pits were shut,, and who the fuck is the excheqer when the money dosnt come from his own pocket,, the tory government then sold the profitable pits to private mining companies, nationalised pits fucking sold, and was the exchequer handing out money to you poossum12345, the pits were not the governments to sell, so who pocketed that cash then poosum, and what about the recently MPs expenses scam, the exchequer is a cunt who like all of them are in it for themselfes,,
Gillmeister2465 2 years ago
Workers of all lands unite.
worldoffreeaccess 2 years ago
Brilliant vid mate...
Youve a lot to answer for on judgement day Iron lady Thatcher,,
you fcked this country good and proper, and it still has not recovered,, years of coal reserves left and you shut the fckn pits and bolloxed up good communities,, i hope i see pits open back up before i die...
rot in hell thatcher and all who sucked up to the bitch...
Gillmeister2465 2 years ago
You are clearly an uneducated buffon. Why extract coal at a huge loss to the Exchequer?
poossum12345 2 years ago
Lets hope the evil witch see the pits open back up before SHE dies!
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago
lol lets hope! or see her having to sell hers and her childrens belongings so she can get some cash together to have some sort of x mas for her family, i want her children to watch her share a mars bar with her other half for dinner! i could go on and on.
Who am i? the miners child!!
God bless the miners and the familes
Nayf7 2 years ago
Now that the mercenary left to rot out in Africa by Mark Thatcher and his chums, has returned, lets see a full inquiry into Mammy's boy's shady involvement in the attempted coup.
steelbanktrucker 2 years ago
continued 2.....
a turd being because it has all the things that we do not want.
all the greed and opression (for example)came out in that rather smelly shit.
well done thatcher ¬¬
well done steve :)
TheDorsetCake 2 years ago
continued....
and i think that for some of the left who lived through that time seeing margret thatchers head on a pole while being shat on by all verietys of creatures would be a sort of wet dream.
here is my perspective of her matriachal rule over england. thatcher reached into the mouth of prosperity and pulled out an england that seemed to (correct me if im wrong please) all too willingly be devoured by the iron lady and later be shat out as something resembling a rather large TURD.
TheDorsetCake 2 years ago
woah. i only just remembered you put this on steve. the song and the video go together liek peas in a pot. although i do feel a little out of place here.
i mean. i wasnt in the strike. i wasnt a miner. i wasnt alive then. but i am not ignorant of the tyranny that thatcher brought to england.
TheDorsetCake 2 years ago
I love this video. And it was uploaded on my birthday. Strange that.
SittingDownWith 2 years ago