I wouldn't mind going to Dante's hell and hangin' with the noble pagans. Their tier of hell seems pretty comfortable.
Come to think of it, why aren't Christians frothing at the mouth about Dante and Milton? They permanently changed how Westerners think about heaven and hell, but the descriptions they wrote don't have much to do with the Bible.
Genius. I don't why Christians don't ever notice or understand the implications of their beliefs that God has a plan. There are Christians that don't believe in predestination, but reading the NT that's exactly what's taught. There is nothing one can do to be elected for salvation, God will open the eyes of some to receive Christ and harden the hearts of others so that they won't receive. The Calvinists were right. The doctrine of election takes away moral responsibility all together.
Some of the stuff he says is so kind of fascinating and right on the money, but there are a few moments where he either, misses the point of what people believe, or takes it to an extreme that might not be considered *entirely* logical.
I really like Sam Harris' style. He has a calm authority that is so compelling. Personally, I just wanna shake christians like rag dolls and scream in their faces "Are you fucking insane?!"
my next door neighbor is a good man. so i'm going to beat him, torture him, and string him up in a tree, and then flay him then stand underneath and bathe in his blood so that the dirtiness from all my sins gets washed away, so that way the invisible man in the sky that nobody sees and only i can truly talk to will like me again and not have me tortured for eternity after i'm dead.
I couldn't help but laugh at Harris' arrogant idiocy when watching this. Robert Hare points out in his excellent book "Without Conscience" that psychopathy is a SYNDROME and that someone cannot be diagnosed as such simply because a few personality characteristics happen to be consistent with the psychopathic personality. That said, I'd really like to know the difference between someone who follows a "psychopathic morality" versus a psychopath.
I couldn't help but laugh at Harris' arrogant idiocy when watching this. Robert Hare points out in his excellent book "Without Conscience" that psychopathy is a SYNDROME and that someone cannot be diagnosed as such simply because a few personality characteristics happen to be consistent with the psychopathic personality. That said, I'd really like to know the difference between someone who follows a "psychopathic morality" versus a psychopath.
this guy raises some good points and valid questions, but his delivery discredits him. he talks about the illogical nature of religion yet he isnt 100% logical in what he says. he insinuates and implies things, then moves on to a different point. he starts us in one direction and implies a logical conclusion, but then shifts to something else before proving anything. if i was talking with him i'd stop him every couple sentences and make him restate his point WITHOUT the illogical implications.
@xbriannaxbananax haha, what? Move along kiddo. Sam Harris is pretty practiced in making his clear, lucid and crushing points against your childish imaginative religion of fear
asserting hell fire and eternal torture is also retarded. Not even a majority of Christians believe this. eternal PUNISHMENT does not mean eternal TORTURE. If I kick you off the football team you are eternally punished. If I literally kick you for eternity you are eternally tortured. Totally different.
Most rational people would say after this, "Stick a fork in them, their done" but since we are dealing with people who either turn off their rationality when it comes to their faith or those who have little to none to begin with, you can see in their eyes they are saying to themselves "jesus jesus jesus jesus........"
@bentarrr That's the thing: the descriptions of hells from peoples of warmer climes tend to be of worlds of fire and brimstone, while the descriptions of hells from peoples of colder climes tend to be of worlds of ice and shadow (see Norse mythology). Just goes to show how culturally contingent it all is.
Craig might be the better debate-winner, but nobody quotes Craig except to ridicule his pretzel thinking. Harris will be quoted long after we're all dead.
@rcguy69 he is not his sole argument can be resume to this, The bible says so, whatever sophistication he try to put in, whatever logic he try to use, whatever false flag he`s sailing under, (he is a christian that beleive the bible literally but yet never debate on scripture) he doesnt have any argument againts the point bring on by harris
@ianfranklin1 He's referring to the Canaanites and their worship of the God Ba'al. Joshua 6:26 "In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn..."
@PunchKickGames Thank you for Joshua 6:26. That is a curse that Joshua gave on rebuiling Jericho. It was a enemy city in his time. The actually burying is in 1 Kings 16:31-24. Many years later (400+), when Israel was worshiping Ba'al (Satan archetype), "Hiel the Bethelite"(most likely a Ba'al worshiper), fulfilled the curse by using his children in that manner to try to rebuild the wall. Joshuas much earlier curse was also a prophecy. This is just a misunderstanding of context of the verses.
"But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you," - Jesus
Dear Sam Harris, why don't you read the Bible before spouting nonsense about what you doesn't know ? Real Christians are not here anymore in the world of today. That's why you can't understand what Christianity is about.
@jb0433628 'Real Christianity' is about worshipping the God of the Bible, and if you've read the thing, how could you decide it would be the moral thing to do, even if he is real?
@jb0433628 Dear whoever you are, Sam has read the Bible and like all of us atheists we realise that your god is a genocidal, infanticidal, rape condoning, homophobic, gynaephobic sadistic tyrant. The irony is that your god does not even exist. We atheists and all human beings are moral despite your god not because of your god. We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup.
So you are saying that the law of the jungle is "morally acceptable" ?
Your ignorance bemuses me. I am saying nothing of the kind. I am saying we obtain our morals from our genetic makeup which is totally different. Morals change with the moral zeitgeist of the time but are fundamental values/ethics/morals remain. Most people agree that rape and murder are wrong.
@jb0433628 Additional: However on sexual and political issues our morals vary. It can be said there is a time to kill and a time to steal, therefore the question of morals is a grey area and not simply black and white. As for the Bible one does not obtain morals from that book because how do we decide. For example in the BIble it says we can burn our mothers alive if they wear two different threads in one garment. Hardly a moral standpoint. There are many more examples of such cruelty
When reading the book of the law of Moses, you have to keep in mind that the Hebrew were surrounded by nations worshiping Baal/Satan/Sun god/etc, and they could not mix with them. All the times they mixed with foreign people, they were diverted and started sacrificing their children like every other nation around them.
The punishment by death penalty only applied for rape/murder/adultery and worship of another god. It was not applied for the example you gived of two threads.
Also, the only case I found where people were burned was when a man had sex with the mother of his wife.
We have to make a distinction between crimes and infraction. The tissue with two thread may have been related at that time with pagan cults, but it was only an infraction, punishable by a fine.
We should at least agree on that point, when Paul says : " for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."
@jb0433628 I would rather say strive to do no harm to others whenever possible. As for the decalogue, some of the 10 commandments are flawed, thou shalt not covet is immoral & depraved and the worst of the 10. Thou shalt not kill; almost immediately after Moses came down from the mountain he ordered his followers to kill their friends and brothers just for worshipping a golden calf. The whole story is myth and never happened, however it just shows the inconsistency of your gods law.
@jb0433628 Additional: The 10 Commandments are irrelevant as we human beings knew the difference between right and wrong before the Decalogue was made up. Also why site adultery as bad as murder, the punishment for adultery is self inflicted. Why did the 10 not site murder, rape and slavery as wicked crimes? I tell you why because your god condoned murder, rape and slavery. Have a listen to Chris Hitchens on the 10 Commandments if you dare.
"human beings knew the difference between right and wrong before the Decalogue"
How could you tell ? Why did the ancient civilizations (egypt, china, india, babylon, aztec, incas) all practised human sacrifices (and sacrificing their own children in most cases) ? Tyranny is always on the side of these civilisations, not on the side of the Hebrew who had the law of Moses and followed it.
Murder is the sixth in the 10 commandments, rapist and adultery were also executed.
@jb0433628 Tyranny, murder and torture also took place under Christianity or have you forgotten the crusades, the Spanish Inquistion, the murder of men women and children who were burned at the stake during the middle ages up until the 18th century. Mankind does wicked things but mankind is never more joyful when it does wicked things in the belief of a god. The Decalogue does not condemn rape and slavery.
@jb0433628 Additional: How can I tell - simple, mankind would not have existed very long if it were not for knowing tghe difference between right and wrong. We dont need god or Jesus or any other deluded or fraudulent prophet. I will not allow any fellow primate tell me things they cannot prove.
@jb0433628 Additonal: I know that murder is mentioned in the Decalogue, that was a typo. However you have not answered my question as to why rape and slavery is not condemned.
About slavery, when a Hebrew was too poor to feed himself, he could become the slave and work for another Hebrew who gave him shelter and food. But he had to be freed after 6 years, and his master had to give him a part of his wealth so he could live by himself. About strangers who were made slaves, they were prisoners of war. They had to rest on the Sabbath day like anyone else, and I am currently reading to find more about that.
Sexual relations outside of marriage was always punished by death except in one case, when the girl was not yet fiancee. The man had to marry her and take care of her all her life, and he could never divorce her. I think rape was included in this case, but I am trying to find more about the context because it's not very clear.
You have to look at the consequences. I consider that the happy people are the right people, since philosoph and scientists are proposing different ways to live but none of them ever came close to happiness.
Does any of these people proposing "the right ideology" have any reason to live ? Their life is empty and meaningless.
@jb0433628 Thank you I am very happy to live the life I am living and that is without some non existent sky god and delusion of religion. ~Sex out of marriage is not wrongful as long as it is with consenting adults and whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. Of course it is wise to use condoms with a partner whom you have not known for very long. Once it has been established that neither of you have stds it is perfectly ok to do without condoms or go on the pill with heterosexual sex.
"Haha, " We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup."
So you are saying that the law of the jungle is "morally acceptable" ?"
No, not really, since animals also exhibit altruism. We now know that human altruistic feelings come as a result of natural selection and not as gift from an invisible man.
Evolution implies that human should get rid of every point of character that slow down the specie in it's survival. When the food become scarce, you will never see a healthy animal sacrificing himself to give his food to another or a sick animal.
You apparently don't understand evolution very well then. There are plenty of cases of the exact opposite of what you just said. Animals show signs of morality all the time. Don't let either of those facts stop you from making false claims though.
No animal will give his food to an old/sick/handicapped if he doesn't have enough for himself. No animal will risk his life for an animal who is not his close parent. You should read "the lucifer principle" to understand the fact that the animal side of humans is completely immoral.
Lol, you keep talking about "the lucifer principle" as if it's some great work of science or biology. Most of it is speculation. It would probably be best if you actually took the time to educate yourself on the subject, instead of spitting out stuff other people say.
Without God, the only possible meaning of your life is meaningless. Supposing you were a children starving in Africa, all your pretty principles of Atheism can't apply. Evolution is a convenient lie for people who deny the source of all information and order in the universe, which can't even be explained by science. Where comes the self-awareness of humans ? Where come the energy of the Big Bang ? You can't explain it as well.
God is there, the whole universe and life on earth is the proof.
Evolution is based on magic rather than real science. It requires faith to believe in their bullshit of life popping out of mud, when the information required can't scientifically pop out of nowhere.
@jb0433628 the universe and the earth do not prove god exists, and there is plenty of proof for evolution. just because you don't know it doesn't mean it isn't there.
there is no evidence AT ALL to prove that god and supernatural magic exist.
do you still believe in santa? what about goblins and fairies?
those are certainly ridiculous but god/jesus and magic burning bushes with people walking on water and zombies are real?!?!?!?
get with the times man... you're following a bronze age fairy tale.
The human self-awareness is a proof of human soul, because it can't and will never be explained through science. This is a postulate, try to refute it.
The universe and nature are also proofs of God, since the matter and information contained in life forms can't come from nothing. God is the source of information in the universe and has always existed, this is the only way it makes sense.
You think the universe popped out of nothing, and then life popped out from mud and formed a civilisation. Sorry, you are the one who believe in supernatural magic.
You can't even explain why you believe such stupidity, the appearance of life out of dead matter. It's because you chose to believe God did not exist, because you can't stand the fact you will be judged one day.
The information needed for life can't appear by any process in evolution. The information has to be there before the universe appeared, so you can assume that the information was with God, and that he existed forever.
But you prefer to believe that the universe popped out of nothing by magic (since science can't tell how) and that a civilisation popped out of dead matter, also by magic (since science can't tell how).
@ptbwf I only made that remark because he resorted to an ad hominem attack by saying, "a drop out like you."
Also, you are implying that one must disprove what is being asserted without evidence. The onus of truth goes to the person making the claim, and there will always be the fact that something asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
So either way you go, the non-believer has nothing to prove at all. They simply do not believe.
We believe that God exists and you don't, you are also making the claim. God, in the form you are arguing against isn't just some mystical being(so the unicorn thing doesn't really work), he or she or it represents a possible solution to something that is thus far unexplainable due to the actual scientifically defined limitations of our world, if we breach those limitations then almost every scientist thus far is wrong.
@ptbwf But that's just it, the concept of God has always been, and will remain, a means of explaining the unexplainable. A thousand years ago, God was the explanation for all natural phenomena. As our grasp of the natural world has improved due to the scientific method, God's jurisdiction over the universe has shrunk back to the point that he is only responsible for the things that cannot be explained by our current understanding. But this is a perpetual horizon, don't you see that?
unless we discover things like the concept of gravity not existing on earth, that is never going to happen.
Science literally has to discover alien life, time travel etc to prove that God does not exist to a lot of people, and even that wouldn't be enough because that would actually expand God's jurisdiction.
The fact is they don't read it. They read "the father of the church" instead, so their distorted knowledge of God may prevent them from seing that the church has prostituted itself.
@jappud I think our true nature is one of deep stillness, peace and compassion. When one connects with that which is already there, there is no need for violence. I think the problem lies in the fact that the vast majority of humans don't even know it's there, because they cannot still the mind enough to realize it.
@jappud For the defense of evil from god's point of view, this is simply the logical problem of evil argument. The logic being the POSSIBILITY of a greater good. Some people call this the omniscience escape clause. ie you can appeal to god knowing a greater good from all the evil, or his own morally dubious acts, but that we do not know or cannot understand this. This is very common, though i take issue with it. google "debunking christianity johnnyp omniscience"
@jappud the Xtian is forced to argue for consequentialist ethics since the flood killing humanity bar 8, jesus' sacrifice and so on, are for a greater good since they cannot argued to be intrinsically good. Therefore, God is a consequentialist. See my video 'God is a consequentialist'. Either objective morality does not exist or it is eternally trumped by the more important consequences to the act.
@jappud "Burn in hell forever",,,,,and your evidence for hell?,,,,zero,,,,all you have is a few passages in the bible, which means you have no evidence.
Im a christian and i disagree with the message of fire and brimstone (hell message) scares people into christ. The reason why I say this is because, just because you keep the 10 commandments and you do what ever right in Gods site, that there cannot lead you to heaven. You'll only be worshipping God because you are avoiding hell. You won't be worshiping God because of his love and his compassion. We as christians should bother about hell for it has no place in the kingdom of God.
@jappud No, not like a split personality. Part of the human condition is the need for something outside oneself to identify with. Our true nature is deeper and more peaceful than any label with which we can brand ourselves. Although there are many identities that people can take on, one of the most common is religion. Another is nationalism, which Einstein abhorred. Atheism can be one as well.
At the end of this debate when the students were asking questions, Doctor Craig was completely disrespectful to one of his fellow human beings. I don't think Doctor Craig asked himself what Jesus would have done before he lost his religion there.
Sounds about right! Seems god is a little hypercritical if you ask me. If you worship nature and many gods and goddess, like in wicca and witchcraft. You live a happy and good life. You are damned to hell. But if you have been a christian all your life and ran off and slaughtered 20 people you go to heaven. Now isn't that all to ridiculous!!!
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Sam Harris always gets off topic on his debates/talks to make sure he attacks religion, namely Islam and Christianity. I wish he'd leave his emotional side out of his presentations.
Furthermore, it is laughable in this clip he speaks of things like "innocence" and human dignity. You can prove neither via science.
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Sam Harris always gets off topic on his debates/talks to make sure he attacks religion, namely Islam and Christianity. I wish he'd leave his emotional side out of his presentations.
Furthermore, it is laughable in this clip he speaks of things like "innocence" and human dignity. You can prove neither via science.
@WILLTHEWGMAN. We are all culpable for.our actions. Our morality is based on what we (as a society of intelligent beings) decide are actions that justify reward and respect as opposed to actions that require punishment and scorn. We make this decision simply by asking, "What are the benefits and risks associated with these actions and do they improve society and individual happiness in a way that leaves us with a reasonable freedom". When the majority agrees on an answer, we write good laws.
If human free-will and self-awareness as an individual is mere illusion leaving leading to biochemical determinism and thus no individual culpability in choice of actions how is anything evil or wrong?
If there's no such thing as objective morality, just human preference to well being but a child molester has differing ideas about well being than his victims, how is that a "moral landscape" and not just a mere "preference landscape"? Harris has very low philosophical understandings.
If you watch the full debate, it becomes clear that they both drifted off topic miserably.
Sam was supposed to talk about a science of morality. Instead started discussing how poor Yahweh is an a source of morality.
William was supposed to talk about how without a God, there is no morality. Instead talked about how Yahweh is good and we should all be moral because he is watching.
They both really gave in to their emotions in this one.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.." Steven Weinberg
What would the world be like without sin? Instead of dealing with the problem we look around and find someone to blame-That only makes the problem worse
What would the US be without debt? Instead of dealing with the problem we look around and find someone to blame-That only makes the problem worse
The problem at hand is sin and there are only two ways to deal with it: 1 Ignorance (option by far embraced by the most) & 2 Trusting God for the deliverance He provided through His son Jesus Christ
@TomFynn The passage in question is Isaiah 55:8-9. Because God said it through His holy prophet I believe it. For "... without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Heb 11:6 KJV). I used to walk as the world wanted me to walk, yet I was miserable. After casting all of my cares upon God through Christ I no longer worry what will happen to me or this world, I look unto my heavenly home
Here is my first prayer ever: Dear God. Please spare the life of just one small child out of the thousands that you feel the need to kill today. Please trade my life for one of the 24,000 that you have in your divine plan to murder over the next 24 hours. I will be out and about all day so you can work it in and not even have to be conspicuous about it (I know how shy you are about actually appearing to exist).
24,000 children under the age of five who are alive this very second will be corpses at this time tomorrow. Surely you can demonstrate a little bit of the mercy and love that you are written to be so filled with and you will kill me today instead of some innocent child that has its entire life ahead of it? I gladly offer it up to you. In Jesus name, and that Holy Ghost thing too, AMEN.
How crazy is it when such OBVIOUS rational thought is required to be spoonfed out by Harris and others, and still, somehow, the majority of people not only don't get the blatant logic, but are actually opposed to it. It is a very creepy world we live in.
Before I came to US, I never knew people like Craig existed. Only when I came here did I realize the depravity of the fanatic Christian's mind. Disgusting thought process !
Of the 150+ countries on earth, why would I want to go to Saudi Arabia? I hope you are not one of those whose world is limited to "With us or against us" mentality. Besides that, I don't understand what this video has to do with me going to Saudi Arabia. Is your brain full of logical fallacies of the following type:
"Hey....this guy doesn't like our apple, so let us force feed him a banana and when he complains then he will know how good our apple is." Logic please ! Thank you.
Ah okay ! That way ! Yes, USA is 100000 times better than Saudi Arabia. Also I do like USA a lot due to many good things it has and in my country, USA is appreciated a lot for its technological progress and the opportunities that it provides to its people. So I really like USA that way and on other videos I have appreciated USA for many of its virtues. But this particular video was about the behavior of some fanatic Christians and hence my comment about the same.
@jb0433628 You do realize we actually now have a model that requires no creation? That quantum theory predicts that a universe MUST arise from nothing. Literally nothing. There needs to be nothing at all and the universe emerges 100% of the time, because the universe we can prove is flat and has 0 net energy. And you will never accept something you are too ignorant to understand. If you took time to understand why this is completely feasible, you would become an adult.
I know the universe is flat, and the fact that you listen to a pathetic pseudo-researcher like Krauss doesn't mean you have to buy everything he says. He says the mass of the universe is 0, however he omit to talk about energy. For example, matter and antimatter anihilate to produce no matter, but it produces a tremendous amount of energy.
You are like a children saying to another : stop believing in fairy tales, or Santa Claus won't give you your gifts for Christmas. Your pre-condition on the end of any debate, which is "God must not exist", prevent you from any open minded approach.
At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes" (Mat 11:25). If the Holy Spirit does not reveal the mysteries of God to you then you will never get it. His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts. The arrogance of man is against the will of God. Humble yourself before God and He will exalt you in due time (1 Peter 5:6)
@tman1609 So, "His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts."? How do you know that when his ways and thoughts - by logical extension - are also above YOUR thoughts?
@TomFynn The passage in question is Isaiah 55:8-9. Because God said it through His holy prophet I believe it. For "... without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Heb 11:6 KJV). I used to walk as the world wanted me to walk, yet I was miserable. After casting all of my cares upon God through Christ I no longer worry what will happen to me or this world, I look unto my heavenly home
The Amalakites had ambushed the Jews while the Jews were dying of thirst in the desert . So to say God required the Jews to fight the Amalakites for only God's own selfish reasons, is academically an atrocious lie by Sam Harris and in the fires of Gehenna, he will hear his false accusations over and over, while he has these Amalakites refusing him even a drop of water, as he burns in the fire. Beguiled is one thing, intentional demonic and narcissistic liar is another thing.
Sam Harris could not manage to do anything at all, if given a blank Canvas. Take away all the natural cues, give Harris the opportunity to access whatever design he thinks is morally intelligent and can be universally true. I think Sam Harris would stare at a truly blank Canvas and could not do the first thing. What the truth is, is that going from a blank canvas, from nothing at all to something meaningful has as it own definition what suffering had to be accepted to have something.
He's just using a random dead celebrity to make an analogy to the Catholic belief that during service, the wafers they eat turn into the body of Christ. If you had a belief like that, but that you did not come by through religion, then people will think you're mad (say, if you were so deluded that you thought that when you eat your pancake, you're actually eating the flesh of Elvis). But if you get to it through religion, then it's "fine.
You know before vaccines, only about half of the people born made it past childhood. In 3rd world countries, it's still the case. How can God put us here on this death trap of a planet to test us to see if we love him with our own free will, when half the people don't last long enough to be tested ? The human mind is set up to be delusional. If everyone look at the cold reality of the world all the time. Most people would be walking around depressed all the time.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their reproductive system and other vital organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Why yes Sam it is.
jmaytum 2 days ago
i always thought religion was a scapegoat so people dont freak out about dying
Kuremos 4 days ago
Damn....you can almost hear the crickets. Sam is laying down way more punch lines then he is getting credit for.
CatFacedKillers 1 week ago
christianity= homophobia. case closed
GeminiSecret 2 weeks ago
I wouldn't mind going to Dante's hell and hangin' with the noble pagans. Their tier of hell seems pretty comfortable.
Come to think of it, why aren't Christians frothing at the mouth about Dante and Milton? They permanently changed how Westerners think about heaven and hell, but the descriptions they wrote don't have much to do with the Bible.
tanfoukdance 3 weeks ago
Genius. I don't why Christians don't ever notice or understand the implications of their beliefs that God has a plan. There are Christians that don't believe in predestination, but reading the NT that's exactly what's taught. There is nothing one can do to be elected for salvation, God will open the eyes of some to receive Christ and harden the hearts of others so that they won't receive. The Calvinists were right. The doctrine of election takes away moral responsibility all together.
dtoiam 3 weeks ago
Is it a jewish mans place to call christians psychopathic? thats the true question here.
BWCmike 3 weeks ago
Some of the stuff he says is so kind of fascinating and right on the money, but there are a few moments where he either, misses the point of what people believe, or takes it to an extreme that might not be considered *entirely* logical.
futurestoryteller 1 month ago
I really like Sam Harris' style. He has a calm authority that is so compelling. Personally, I just wanna shake christians like rag dolls and scream in their faces "Are you fucking insane?!"
matbroomfield 1 month ago 13
zzzzz this guy is such a douche
Marius26879 1 month ago
@Marius26879 Sorry if he used too many long words for you. Go read the comic book version.
matbroomfield 1 month ago
my next door neighbor is a good man. so i'm going to beat him, torture him, and string him up in a tree, and then flay him then stand underneath and bathe in his blood so that the dirtiness from all my sins gets washed away, so that way the invisible man in the sky that nobody sees and only i can truly talk to will like me again and not have me tortured for eternity after i'm dead.
MisterNickOtine 1 month ago 3
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"thou shall not kill"(and don't tell me he wouldn't be dead after that)
ptbwf 3 weeks ago
@ptbwf yeah but it is okay because my neighbor is jesus christ.
MisterNickOtine 3 weeks ago
@MisterNickOtine
nope
ptbwf 3 weeks ago
Atheism: it's not arrogance if you're right.
dkthg 1 month ago 14
@dkthg No one's saying it is. What IS arrogant is the kind of self-righteousness he is espousing.
intenebris83 1 month ago
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I couldn't help but laugh at Harris' arrogant idiocy when watching this. Robert Hare points out in his excellent book "Without Conscience" that psychopathy is a SYNDROME and that someone cannot be diagnosed as such simply because a few personality characteristics happen to be consistent with the psychopathic personality. That said, I'd really like to know the difference between someone who follows a "psychopathic morality" versus a psychopath.
intenebris83 1 month ago
I couldn't help but laugh at Harris' arrogant idiocy when watching this. Robert Hare points out in his excellent book "Without Conscience" that psychopathy is a SYNDROME and that someone cannot be diagnosed as such simply because a few personality characteristics happen to be consistent with the psychopathic personality. That said, I'd really like to know the difference between someone who follows a "psychopathic morality" versus a psychopath.
intenebris83 1 month ago
this guy raises some good points and valid questions, but his delivery discredits him. he talks about the illogical nature of religion yet he isnt 100% logical in what he says. he insinuates and implies things, then moves on to a different point. he starts us in one direction and implies a logical conclusion, but then shifts to something else before proving anything. if i was talking with him i'd stop him every couple sentences and make him restate his point WITHOUT the illogical implications.
xbriannaxbananax 1 month ago
@xbriannaxbananax haha, what? Move along kiddo. Sam Harris is pretty practiced in making his clear, lucid and crushing points against your childish imaginative religion of fear
voodoochild44 1 month ago
@voodoochild44 Nice try, "kiddo". But I'm not religious.
xbriannaxbananax 1 month ago
God is fake, deal with it people.
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asserting hell fire and eternal torture is also retarded. Not even a majority of Christians believe this. eternal PUNISHMENT does not mean eternal TORTURE. If I kick you off the football team you are eternally punished. If I literally kick you for eternity you are eternally tortured. Totally different.
TheJohnVandivier 2 months ago
dude this guy is retarded I would love to see him debate Craig. He says God is either impotent or evil. ACCORDING TO WHAT STANDARD?
Besides the dying babies thing is retarded. God doesn't send innocents to hell. read the bible.
TheJohnVandivier 2 months ago
Wow, this is the best explanation of the insanity of religion I've ever heard.
Perfectchi 2 months ago
great work sam harris
hellobal100 3 months ago
Most rational people would say after this, "Stick a fork in them, their done" but since we are dealing with people who either turn off their rationality when it comes to their faith or those who have little to none to begin with, you can see in their eyes they are saying to themselves "jesus jesus jesus jesus........"
moety2 3 months ago
One of the best Harris clips I've seen. Thanks for posting.
Ashmoney83 3 months ago 2
living where i do, going someplace warm isn't half bad sounding.
bentarrr 3 months ago
@bentarrr That's the thing: the descriptions of hells from peoples of warmer climes tend to be of worlds of fire and brimstone, while the descriptions of hells from peoples of colder climes tend to be of worlds of ice and shadow (see Norse mythology). Just goes to show how culturally contingent it all is.
sam51092 3 months ago
Craig might be the better debate-winner, but nobody quotes Craig except to ridicule his pretzel thinking. Harris will be quoted long after we're all dead.
rcguy69 3 months ago 17
@rcguy69 that's the truth.
bentarrr 3 months ago
@rcguy69 bullshit you cant debate craig on his channel you re blocked or disabled harris wins and you re right he will be quoted
phildirt3 2 months ago
@rcguy69 he is not his sole argument can be resume to this, The bible says so, whatever sophistication he try to put in, whatever logic he try to use, whatever false flag he`s sailing under, (he is a christian that beleive the bible literally but yet never debate on scripture) he doesnt have any argument againts the point bring on by harris
lapmarty 2 months ago
Please someone cite where the authors of the bible buried children in the foundations of buildings? I was following his rationale until that point.
ianfranklin1 3 months ago
@ianfranklin1 He's referring to the Canaanites and their worship of the God Ba'al. Joshua 6:26 "In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn..."
PunchKickGames 3 months ago
@PunchKickGames Thank you for Joshua 6:26. That is a curse that Joshua gave on rebuiling Jericho. It was a enemy city in his time. The actually burying is in 1 Kings 16:31-24. Many years later (400+), when Israel was worshiping Ba'al (Satan archetype), "Hiel the Bethelite"(most likely a Ba'al worshiper), fulfilled the curse by using his children in that manner to try to rebuild the wall. Joshuas much earlier curse was also a prophecy. This is just a misunderstanding of context of the verses.
ianfranklin1 3 months ago
Sam, stop calling Craig a "doctor." He is not a doctor, he is a professional liar and a superstitious wanker.
bary1234 4 months ago 3
"But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you," - Jesus
Dear Sam Harris, why don't you read the Bible before spouting nonsense about what you doesn't know ? Real Christians are not here anymore in the world of today. That's why you can't understand what Christianity is about.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@jb0433628 'Real Christianity' is about worshipping the God of the Bible, and if you've read the thing, how could you decide it would be the moral thing to do, even if he is real?
TheBiAtheist 4 months ago 2
@jb0433628 Dear whoever you are, Sam has read the Bible and like all of us atheists we realise that your god is a genocidal, infanticidal, rape condoning, homophobic, gynaephobic sadistic tyrant. The irony is that your god does not even exist. We atheists and all human beings are moral despite your god not because of your god. We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777
Haha, " We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup."
So you are saying that the law of the jungle is "morally acceptable" ?
Killing the sick people, eating your children when there is not enough food, etc ?
That's the ideal moral values for any evolving specie.
Also, I can reassure you, you don't know what you are talking about when you mention the Bible. And Sam has not read it.
jb0433628 4 months ago
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@jb0433628 Haha, " We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup."
So you are saying that the law of the jungle is "morally acceptable" ?
Your ignorance bemuses me. I am saying nothing of the kind. I am saying we obtain our morals from our genetic makeup which is totally different. Morals change with the moral zeitgeist of the time but are fundamental values/ethics/morals remain. Most people agree that rape and murder are wrong.
roac7777 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Additional: However on sexual and political issues our morals vary. It can be said there is a time to kill and a time to steal, therefore the question of morals is a grey area and not simply black and white. As for the Bible one does not obtain morals from that book because how do we decide. For example in the BIble it says we can burn our mothers alive if they wear two different threads in one garment. Hardly a moral standpoint. There are many more examples of such cruelty
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777
When reading the book of the law of Moses, you have to keep in mind that the Hebrew were surrounded by nations worshiping Baal/Satan/Sun god/etc, and they could not mix with them. All the times they mixed with foreign people, they were diverted and started sacrificing their children like every other nation around them.
The punishment by death penalty only applied for rape/murder/adultery and worship of another god. It was not applied for the example you gived of two threads.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@roac7777
Also, the only case I found where people were burned was when a man had sex with the mother of his wife.
We have to make a distinction between crimes and infraction. The tissue with two thread may have been related at that time with pagan cults, but it was only an infraction, punishable by a fine.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@roac7777
We should at least agree on that point, when Paul says : " for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."
jb0433628 4 months ago
@jb0433628 I would rather say strive to do no harm to others whenever possible. As for the decalogue, some of the 10 commandments are flawed, thou shalt not covet is immoral & depraved and the worst of the 10. Thou shalt not kill; almost immediately after Moses came down from the mountain he ordered his followers to kill their friends and brothers just for worshipping a golden calf. The whole story is myth and never happened, however it just shows the inconsistency of your gods law.
roac7777 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Additional: The 10 Commandments are irrelevant as we human beings knew the difference between right and wrong before the Decalogue was made up. Also why site adultery as bad as murder, the punishment for adultery is self inflicted. Why did the 10 not site murder, rape and slavery as wicked crimes? I tell you why because your god condoned murder, rape and slavery. Have a listen to Chris Hitchens on the 10 Commandments if you dare.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777
"human beings knew the difference between right and wrong before the Decalogue"
How could you tell ? Why did the ancient civilizations (egypt, china, india, babylon, aztec, incas) all practised human sacrifices (and sacrificing their own children in most cases) ? Tyranny is always on the side of these civilisations, not on the side of the Hebrew who had the law of Moses and followed it.
Murder is the sixth in the 10 commandments, rapist and adultery were also executed.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Tyranny, murder and torture also took place under Christianity or have you forgotten the crusades, the Spanish Inquistion, the murder of men women and children who were burned at the stake during the middle ages up until the 18th century. Mankind does wicked things but mankind is never more joyful when it does wicked things in the belief of a god. The Decalogue does not condemn rape and slavery.
roac7777 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Additional: How can I tell - simple, mankind would not have existed very long if it were not for knowing tghe difference between right and wrong. We dont need god or Jesus or any other deluded or fraudulent prophet. I will not allow any fellow primate tell me things they cannot prove.
roac7777 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Additonal: I know that murder is mentioned in the Decalogue, that was a typo. However you have not answered my question as to why rape and slavery is not condemned.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777
About slavery, when a Hebrew was too poor to feed himself, he could become the slave and work for another Hebrew who gave him shelter and food. But he had to be freed after 6 years, and his master had to give him a part of his wealth so he could live by himself. About strangers who were made slaves, they were prisoners of war. They had to rest on the Sabbath day like anyone else, and I am currently reading to find more about that.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@roac7777
Sexual relations outside of marriage was always punished by death except in one case, when the girl was not yet fiancee. The man had to marry her and take care of her all her life, and he could never divorce her. I think rape was included in this case, but I am trying to find more about the context because it's not very clear.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@jb0433628 " Sexual relations outside of marriage was always punished by death" and you think that is a moral ideology!!!!!!!!!!!
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777
You have to look at the consequences. I consider that the happy people are the right people, since philosoph and scientists are proposing different ways to live but none of them ever came close to happiness.
Does any of these people proposing "the right ideology" have any reason to live ? Their life is empty and meaningless.
jb0433628 4 months ago
@jb0433628 Thank you I am very happy to live the life I am living and that is without some non existent sky god and delusion of religion. ~Sex out of marriage is not wrongful as long as it is with consenting adults and whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. Of course it is wise to use condoms with a partner whom you have not known for very long. Once it has been established that neither of you have stds it is perfectly ok to do without condoms or go on the pill with heterosexual sex.
roac7777 4 months ago
@jb0433628
"Haha, " We obtain our ethics/morals from our evolutionary genetic makeup."
So you are saying that the law of the jungle is "morally acceptable" ?"
No, not really, since animals also exhibit altruism. We now know that human altruistic feelings come as a result of natural selection and not as gift from an invisible man.
"And Sam has not read it."
Fuck yeah he has.
pmuaddib12 3 months ago
@pmuaddib12
The law of the jungle is immoral in my point of view. It implies killing all the old/sick people and the handicapped children.
jb0433628 3 months ago
@pmuaddib12
Evolution implies that human should get rid of every point of character that slow down the specie in it's survival. When the food become scarce, you will never see a healthy animal sacrificing himself to give his food to another or a sick animal.
jb0433628 3 months ago
@jb0433628
You apparently don't understand evolution very well then. There are plenty of cases of the exact opposite of what you just said. Animals show signs of morality all the time. Don't let either of those facts stop you from making false claims though.
healzforfood 2 months ago
@healzforfood
Define morality.
No animal will give his food to an old/sick/handicapped if he doesn't have enough for himself. No animal will risk his life for an animal who is not his close parent. You should read "the lucifer principle" to understand the fact that the animal side of humans is completely immoral.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628
Lol, you keep talking about "the lucifer principle" as if it's some great work of science or biology. Most of it is speculation. It would probably be best if you actually took the time to educate yourself on the subject, instead of spitting out stuff other people say.
healzforfood 2 months ago
@healzforfood
This book only resume what I observed by myself.
And you haven't given any example of moral behavior which can be explained by evolution.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@healzforfood
Without God, the only possible meaning of your life is meaningless. Supposing you were a children starving in Africa, all your pretty principles of Atheism can't apply. Evolution is a convenient lie for people who deny the source of all information and order in the universe, which can't even be explained by science. Where comes the self-awareness of humans ? Where come the energy of the Big Bang ? You can't explain it as well.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 ah but a book written by bronze age dirt farmers is the only true belief fucking delusional moron
phildirt3 2 months ago
@phildirt3
Tell me when you will find happiness then I may listen to you. I found it, so why would I go back to dwell in the mud like you ?
You will kneel in front of Jesus one day, I warned you.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 delusonal moron
phildirt3 2 months ago
@phildirt3
You are actually the one deluding yourself into thinking God doesn't exist. One day you will find out and I hope it won't be too late for you.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 morality was invented by humans though. the bible was written by humans dude.
and citing religious morality is pretty stupid anyway. the bible says you should stone people to death for working on sundays.
do you live your life like that??? if not than you defy the will of god and will be sent to hell.
please see the logic before blindly believing in supernatural magic. there is no such thing as magic, santa, god, easter bunny, or allah.
it's all made up to explain the unexplainable.
MrBR420 2 months ago
@MrBR420 I think santa was made up to sell merchandise actually.
GallusSapien 2 months ago
@MrBR420
Haha, and you actually think you can teach me about logic ?
Logic tells you to kill your grandparents and eat your children in time of famine.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
God is there, the whole universe and life on earth is the proof.
Evolution is based on magic rather than real science. It requires faith to believe in their bullshit of life popping out of mud, when the information required can't scientifically pop out of nowhere.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 the universe and the earth do not prove god exists, and there is plenty of proof for evolution. just because you don't know it doesn't mean it isn't there.
there is no evidence AT ALL to prove that god and supernatural magic exist.
do you still believe in santa? what about goblins and fairies?
those are certainly ridiculous but god/jesus and magic burning bushes with people walking on water and zombies are real?!?!?!?
get with the times man... you're following a bronze age fairy tale.
MrBR420 2 months ago
@MrBR420
"get with the times man" - Mr Sheep
The human self-awareness is a proof of human soul, because it can't and will never be explained through science. This is a postulate, try to refute it.
The universe and nature are also proofs of God, since the matter and information contained in life forms can't come from nothing. God is the source of information in the universe and has always existed, this is the only way it makes sense.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 lol you are brainwashed. no reason can reach into your narrow mind.
have a nice life buddy.
MrBR420 2 months ago
@MrBR420
Sure, the fact I am studying for a master's degree in artificial intelligence and computer vision makes me "inferior" to a dropout like you.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 you might be studying some complex subjects but you still believe in magic.
so yes... you are inferior in that aspect. supernatural magic doesn't exist.
you have an imaginary friend that makes you feel good about life which makes it hard for me to take you seriously.
sorry i just think believing in magic and imaginary people is just plain childish.
MrBR420 2 months ago
@MrBR420
You think the universe popped out of nothing, and then life popped out from mud and formed a civilisation. Sorry, you are the one who believe in supernatural magic.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
You can't even explain why you believe such stupidity, the appearance of life out of dead matter. It's because you chose to believe God did not exist, because you can't stand the fact you will be judged one day.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
I don't care about winning a debate, since in the end you will meet God. However, while you are alive there is still time to prepare yourself.
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@MrBR420
The information needed for life can't appear by any process in evolution. The information has to be there before the universe appeared, so you can assume that the information was with God, and that he existed forever.
But you prefer to believe that the universe popped out of nothing by magic (since science can't tell how) and that a civilisation popped out of dead matter, also by magic (since science can't tell how).
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
calling people inferior for believing in something or someone you have yet to disprove kind of proves YOUR inferiority...
ptbwf 3 weeks ago
@ptbwf I only made that remark because he resorted to an ad hominem attack by saying, "a drop out like you."
Also, you are implying that one must disprove what is being asserted without evidence. The onus of truth goes to the person making the claim, and there will always be the fact that something asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
So either way you go, the non-believer has nothing to prove at all. They simply do not believe.
MrBR420 3 weeks ago
@MrBR420
We believe that God exists and you don't, you are also making the claim. God, in the form you are arguing against isn't just some mystical being(so the unicorn thing doesn't really work), he or she or it represents a possible solution to something that is thus far unexplainable due to the actual scientifically defined limitations of our world, if we breach those limitations then almost every scientist thus far is wrong.
ptbwf 3 weeks ago
@ptbwf But that's just it, the concept of God has always been, and will remain, a means of explaining the unexplainable. A thousand years ago, God was the explanation for all natural phenomena. As our grasp of the natural world has improved due to the scientific method, God's jurisdiction over the universe has shrunk back to the point that he is only responsible for the things that cannot be explained by our current understanding. But this is a perpetual horizon, don't you see that?
gamegloss 2 weeks ago
@gamegloss
unless we discover things like the concept of gravity not existing on earth, that is never going to happen.
Science literally has to discover alien life, time travel etc to prove that God does not exist to a lot of people, and even that wouldn't be enough because that would actually expand God's jurisdiction.
ptbwf 2 weeks ago
@pmuaddib12
You should read "the lucifer principle" if you think human evolution explains moral behavior...
jb0433628 3 months ago
@pmuaddib12
If this guy has read the Bible, he is voluntarily hiding half of the truth.
jb0433628 3 months ago
@jb0433628
Nope, he knows more about the bible than you do. The bible is a violent, moronic, primitive, bronze age book.
pmuaddib12 2 months ago
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@pmuaddib12
Haha, more than me ?
Well, I am listening, tell me on what grounds you are saying that.
Your ignorance has only your arrogance as an equivalent.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 just like every priest who reads scripture in church
DrunkenDweorg 2 months ago
@DrunkenDweorg
The fact is they don't read it. They read "the father of the church" instead, so their distorted knowledge of God may prevent them from seing that the church has prostituted itself.
jb0433628 2 months ago
"For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified"
Going to the church once a week won't save anyone.
jb0433628 4 months ago
I just bookmarked this under Reference\Atheist\YouTubeGreats.
A3Kr0n 4 months ago
Very good presentation. We need more people like him.
CarusoZ28 4 months ago
@jappud I think our true nature is one of deep stillness, peace and compassion. When one connects with that which is already there, there is no need for violence. I think the problem lies in the fact that the vast majority of humans don't even know it's there, because they cannot still the mind enough to realize it.
ballerine11 4 months ago
@jappud For the defense of evil from god's point of view, this is simply the logical problem of evil argument. The logic being the POSSIBILITY of a greater good. Some people call this the omniscience escape clause. ie you can appeal to god knowing a greater good from all the evil, or his own morally dubious acts, but that we do not know or cannot understand this. This is very common, though i take issue with it. google "debunking christianity johnnyp omniscience"
johnnyp76 4 months ago
@jappud the Xtian is forced to argue for consequentialist ethics since the flood killing humanity bar 8, jesus' sacrifice and so on, are for a greater good since they cannot argued to be intrinsically good. Therefore, God is a consequentialist. See my video 'God is a consequentialist'. Either objective morality does not exist or it is eternally trumped by the more important consequences to the act.
johnnyp76 4 months ago
@jappud "Burn in hell forever",,,,,and your evidence for hell?,,,,zero,,,,all you have is a few passages in the bible, which means you have no evidence.
MUHAMMADFUCKEDAKID1 4 months ago
Im a christian and i disagree with the message of fire and brimstone (hell message) scares people into christ. The reason why I say this is because, just because you keep the 10 commandments and you do what ever right in Gods site, that there cannot lead you to heaven. You'll only be worshipping God because you are avoiding hell. You won't be worshiping God because of his love and his compassion. We as christians should bother about hell for it has no place in the kingdom of God.
davo9678 4 months ago
@davo9678 God seems to like dead children.
MUHAMMADFUCKEDAKID1 4 months ago
@MUHAMMADFUCKEDAKID1 Dead children?
davo9678 4 months ago
@jappud No, not like a split personality. Part of the human condition is the need for something outside oneself to identify with. Our true nature is deeper and more peaceful than any label with which we can brand ourselves. Although there are many identities that people can take on, one of the most common is religion. Another is nationalism, which Einstein abhorred. Atheism can be one as well.
ballerine11 4 months ago
charles darwin
AlexanderJayxo 4 months ago
At the end of this debate when the students were asking questions, Doctor Craig was completely disrespectful to one of his fellow human beings. I don't think Doctor Craig asked himself what Jesus would have done before he lost his religion there.
ballerine11 4 months ago
@jappud Perhaps the christian apologists fear that if they lose the identity of religion, they have another identity to fill the void.
ballerine11 4 months ago
I love statistics because they are ridiculously in accurate.
At this rate those stats would have us whipped out by tomarow at 617 am
ProtoMario 4 months ago
Sounds about right! Seems god is a little hypercritical if you ask me. If you worship nature and many gods and goddess, like in wicca and witchcraft. You live a happy and good life. You are damned to hell. But if you have been a christian all your life and ran off and slaughtered 20 people you go to heaven. Now isn't that all to ridiculous!!!
JessaNightshade5 4 months ago
Wow.....freaking wow.
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conscience4today 5 months ago
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conscience4today 5 months ago
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Sam Harris always gets off topic on his debates/talks to make sure he attacks religion, namely Islam and Christianity. I wish he'd leave his emotional side out of his presentations.
Furthermore, it is laughable in this clip he speaks of things like "innocence" and human dignity. You can prove neither via science.
BCrav1024 5 months ago
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Sam Harris always gets off topic on his debates/talks to make sure he attacks religion, namely Islam and Christianity. I wish he'd leave his emotional side out of his presentations.
Furthermore, it is laughable in this clip he speaks of things like "innocence" and human dignity. You can prove neither via science.
BCrav1024 5 months ago
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BCrav1024 5 months ago
God's actions, according to biblical evidence, is nothing but utilitarian / consequentialist ethics.
johnnyp76 5 months ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN. We are all culpable for.our actions. Our morality is based on what we (as a society of intelligent beings) decide are actions that justify reward and respect as opposed to actions that require punishment and scorn. We make this decision simply by asking, "What are the benefits and risks associated with these actions and do they improve society and individual happiness in a way that leaves us with a reasonable freedom". When the majority agrees on an answer, we write good laws.
USHOULDTHINK 5 months ago
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Questions;
If human free-will and self-awareness as an individual is mere illusion leaving leading to biochemical determinism and thus no individual culpability in choice of actions how is anything evil or wrong?
If there's no such thing as objective morality, just human preference to well being but a child molester has differing ideas about well being than his victims, how is that a "moral landscape" and not just a mere "preference landscape"? Harris has very low philosophical understandings.
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
If you watch the full debate, it becomes clear that they both drifted off topic miserably.
Sam was supposed to talk about a science of morality. Instead started discussing how poor Yahweh is an a source of morality.
William was supposed to talk about how without a God, there is no morality. Instead talked about how Yahweh is good and we should all be moral because he is watching.
They both really gave in to their emotions in this one.
Keysteeze 5 months ago
@WeAreSlaves Whem a man can be held accountable ofr His action. But God said He will not make children victims.
brdlwestmoreland13 5 months ago
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.." Steven Weinberg
xPHOENIX269x 5 months ago 23
Craig got humiliated in this debate.
darthGavin 5 months ago
This really made my day. Kudos to Sam Harris...fan forever.
savcob 6 months ago
Heh. The description alone was enough to make me thumb-up this video.
RandomUTuber819 6 months ago
What would the world be like without sin? Instead of dealing with the problem we look around and find someone to blame-That only makes the problem worse
What would the US be without debt? Instead of dealing with the problem we look around and find someone to blame-That only makes the problem worse
The problem at hand is sin and there are only two ways to deal with it: 1 Ignorance (option by far embraced by the most) & 2 Trusting God for the deliverance He provided through His son Jesus Christ
claudiunazarie 6 months ago
@TomFynn The passage in question is Isaiah 55:8-9. Because God said it through His holy prophet I believe it. For "... without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Heb 11:6 KJV). I used to walk as the world wanted me to walk, yet I was miserable. After casting all of my cares upon God through Christ I no longer worry what will happen to me or this world, I look unto my heavenly home
tman1609 6 months ago
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maartenh94 6 months ago
All religions are Cults of Death.
penlovmov 6 months ago
Here is my first prayer ever: Dear God. Please spare the life of just one small child out of the thousands that you feel the need to kill today. Please trade my life for one of the 24,000 that you have in your divine plan to murder over the next 24 hours. I will be out and about all day so you can work it in and not even have to be conspicuous about it (I know how shy you are about actually appearing to exist).
spearsandarrows 6 months ago 4
24,000 children under the age of five who are alive this very second will be corpses at this time tomorrow. Surely you can demonstrate a little bit of the mercy and love that you are written to be so filled with and you will kill me today instead of some innocent child that has its entire life ahead of it? I gladly offer it up to you. In Jesus name, and that Holy Ghost thing too, AMEN.
spearsandarrows 6 months ago
How crazy is it when such OBVIOUS rational thought is required to be spoonfed out by Harris and others, and still, somehow, the majority of people not only don't get the blatant logic, but are actually opposed to it. It is a very creepy world we live in.
spearsandarrows 6 months ago
@spearsandarrows
Before I came to US, I never knew people like Craig existed. Only when I came here did I realize the depravity of the fanatic Christian's mind. Disgusting thought process !
MrSigma 5 months ago 37
@MrSigma OK. Now go to Saudi Arabia.
nadoeloiskat 4 months ago
@nadoeloiskat
Of the 150+ countries on earth, why would I want to go to Saudi Arabia? I hope you are not one of those whose world is limited to "With us or against us" mentality. Besides that, I don't understand what this video has to do with me going to Saudi Arabia. Is your brain full of logical fallacies of the following type:
"Hey....this guy doesn't like our apple, so let us force feed him a banana and when he complains then he will know how good our apple is." Logic please ! Thank you.
MrSigma 4 months ago
@MrSigma You realized something about Christian minds in the US.
You can find out something more interesting about the Muslim minds in SA now.
Dont know where do you come from originally but if you think USA has some disgusting Christian issues,
you simply need to travel more my friend.
nadoeloiskat 4 months ago
@nadoeloiskat
Ah okay ! That way ! Yes, USA is 100000 times better than Saudi Arabia. Also I do like USA a lot due to many good things it has and in my country, USA is appreciated a lot for its technological progress and the opportunities that it provides to its people. So I really like USA that way and on other videos I have appreciated USA for many of its virtues. But this particular video was about the behavior of some fanatic Christians and hence my comment about the same.
Peace !
MrSigma 4 months ago
@MrSigma - very interesting point of view. I am Canadian and completely agree with you. If you do not mind me asking, where are you originally from?
paulcorda 3 months ago
@MrSigma Then go back. :-)
dan91709 3 months ago
@MrSigma yes america is full of those kinds of people.
they say it's a secular country yet the dollar bill says in "god we trust." those are the tenants that run america... say on thing, then do another.
kind of makes me ashamed to say i'm american.
MrBR420 3 months ago 5
@MrBR420
The people who put "in god we trust" on the dollar bill are actually worshiping Lucifer. None of these people read or respect the Bible.
jb0433628 3 months ago
@MrBR420
The "god we trust" on the dollar bill is refering to Lucifer.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 dude you are an idiot. you contradict yourself over and over.
you say that nothing could just pop into existence from nothing.
so you are saying god couldn't have existed for all of time. something had to precede him. you are just blind to logic.
please stop filling my inbox with stupid magic fairy stories. you are a brainwashed religious idiot.
sorry man but your young mind was molested by your parents or other adults who told you lies about the universe.
MrBR420 2 months ago
@MrBR420
"so you are saying god couldn't have existed for all of time"
I am saying God existed forever, he doesn't need to be preceded by a cause. It makes sense compared to a big bang preceded by no cause.
Stop projecting your stupidity and narrow mind on other people.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
You are saying : something had to be before anything that existed.
You are wrong by definition, because your loop is not closed.
I am saying : God, and all the information needed to create the universe, existed forever.
My position is the only one that can make sense in logics.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@jb0433628 You do realize we actually now have a model that requires no creation? That quantum theory predicts that a universe MUST arise from nothing. Literally nothing. There needs to be nothing at all and the universe emerges 100% of the time, because the universe we can prove is flat and has 0 net energy. And you will never accept something you are too ignorant to understand. If you took time to understand why this is completely feasible, you would become an adult.
halfLotusMusic 2 months ago
@halfLotusMusic
I know the universe is flat, and the fact that you listen to a pathetic pseudo-researcher like Krauss doesn't mean you have to buy everything he says. He says the mass of the universe is 0, however he omit to talk about energy. For example, matter and antimatter anihilate to produce no matter, but it produces a tremendous amount of energy.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@halfLotusMusic
I don't think you ever studied quantum mechanics.
jb0433628 2 months ago
@MrBR420
You are like a children saying to another : stop believing in fairy tales, or Santa Claus won't give you your gifts for Christmas. Your pre-condition on the end of any debate, which is "God must not exist", prevent you from any open minded approach.
jb0433628 2 months ago
At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes" (Mat 11:25). If the Holy Spirit does not reveal the mysteries of God to you then you will never get it. His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts. The arrogance of man is against the will of God. Humble yourself before God and He will exalt you in due time (1 Peter 5:6)
tman1609 6 months ago
@tman1609 So, "His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts."? How do you know that when his ways and thoughts - by logical extension - are also above YOUR thoughts?
TomFynn 6 months ago
@TomFynn The passage in question is Isaiah 55:8-9. Because God said it through His holy prophet I believe it. For "... without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Heb 11:6 KJV). I used to walk as the world wanted me to walk, yet I was miserable. After casting all of my cares upon God through Christ I no longer worry what will happen to me or this world, I look unto my heavenly home
tman1609 6 months ago
The Amalakites had ambushed the Jews while the Jews were dying of thirst in the desert . So to say God required the Jews to fight the Amalakites for only God's own selfish reasons, is academically an atrocious lie by Sam Harris and in the fires of Gehenna, he will hear his false accusations over and over, while he has these Amalakites refusing him even a drop of water, as he burns in the fire. Beguiled is one thing, intentional demonic and narcissistic liar is another thing.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Sam Harris could not manage to do anything at all, if given a blank Canvas. Take away all the natural cues, give Harris the opportunity to access whatever design he thinks is morally intelligent and can be universally true. I think Sam Harris would stare at a truly blank Canvas and could not do the first thing. What the truth is, is that going from a blank canvas, from nothing at all to something meaningful has as it own definition what suffering had to be accepted to have something.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
um... i don't get the Elvis Presley part.
what does "turn them into the body of Elvis Presley" mean?
mytownsanbon 6 months ago
@mytownsanbon
He's just using a random dead celebrity to make an analogy to the Catholic belief that during service, the wafers they eat turn into the body of Christ. If you had a belief like that, but that you did not come by through religion, then people will think you're mad (say, if you were so deluded that you thought that when you eat your pancake, you're actually eating the flesh of Elvis). But if you get to it through religion, then it's "fine.
TumshieX 6 months ago
The view count on this video needs to read 7 billion.
mumbles005 6 months ago 4
Never before has a video left me speechless in we of it's simplistic genius.
MonTag666 6 months ago
You know before vaccines, only about half of the people born made it past childhood. In 3rd world countries, it's still the case. How can God put us here on this death trap of a planet to test us to see if we love him with our own free will, when half the people don't last long enough to be tested ? The human mind is set up to be delusional. If everyone look at the cold reality of the world all the time. Most people would be walking around depressed all the time.
flubno 6 months ago
Atheist Country's are more peaceful than country's ruled by religion.
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